> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://smartjots.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # The Worst Sitcoms That Got Way Too Popular—And Why Viewers Tuned In - URL: https://smartjots.com/worst-sitcoms-that-got-way-too-popular/ - Published: 2026-08-18T03:08:14.000Z - Updated: 2026-09-04T17:31:03.000Z - Description: Analysis of 2,813 viewer critiques reveals how laugh-track dependency, domestic resentment, and flanderization drove massive ratings for television's most overrated sitcoms. - Author: Smart Jots - Tags: Culture & Hobbies > [View the original Reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1vqm6fo/whats%5Fthe%5Fworst%5Fsitcom%5Fthat%5Fgot%5Fway%5Fmore%5Fpopular/?ref=smartjots.com) Crowd-sourced television opinion # The sitcoms a Reddit thread says got far more popular than they deserved — and the people arguing back Start here ## Which shows the thread actually named Across all 2813 captured comments the answers concentrate hard: The Big Bang Theory draws 423 records, Friends 245 and Mrs Brown's Boys 118, followed by Two Broke Girls, Everybody Loves Raymond, How I Met Your Mother and Seinfeld. The reason given is rarely that a show was unfunny on its own: it is a laugh track doing the work, a marriage played as contempt, one joke stretched over a decade, or a group of characters the commenter says the show is inviting you to laugh at. Almost every one of those answers is contradicted inside the thread by people who watched the same show, and those replies are kept in the same card rather than moved out of the way. What you will find - The Big Bang Theory is the biggest answer in the thread and the biggest argument in it - The most-liked comment names no show at all, only a format: the schlubby husband and the hot wife - Friends and Seinfeld are named far more often than their reputations would suggest - Mrs Brown's Boys is the most one-sided answer in the corpus, and its defenders are almost all somebody's parents - The laugh track is the thread's most-repeated complaint, and the argument about whether it is even a laugh track never ends - Every defence is kept inside the show's own card, beside the criticism it answers - These are opinions held by commenters, not verdicts on any show, writer or performer 57 answer cards Browse categories and subcategories - [The schlubby husband, the hot wife, and the shows built on them](#cv-category-the-schlubby-husband-the-hot-wife-and-the-shows-built-on-them) - [The trope itself, named without a title](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-0-the-trope-itself-named-without-a-title) - [The King of Queens](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-1-the-king-of-queens) - [Everybody Loves Raymond](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-2-everybody-loves-raymond) - [According to Jim](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-3-according-to-jim) - [Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did next](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next) - [Mike & Molly](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-5-mike-molly) - [Married with Children](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-6-married-with-children) - [George Lopez](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-7-george-lopez) - [Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-8-everybody-loves-the-king-of-queens-according-to-jim) - [The Honeymooners and the trope's ancestors](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-9-the-honeymooners-and-the-trope-s-ancestors) - [Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-10-kevin-can-f-himself-the-answer-the-thread-kept-giving-back) - [The CBS block, and the producer the thread kept blaming](#cv-category-the-cbs-block-and-the-producer-the-thread-kept-blaming) - [The Big Bang Theory](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-0-the-big-bang-theory) - [Two and a Half Men](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-1-two-and-a-half-men) - [Two Broke Girls](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-2-two-broke-girls) - [Young Sheldon and the spin-offs](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-3-young-sheldon-and-the-spin-offs) - [Dharma & Greg](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-4-dharma-greg) - [Mom](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-5-mom) - [Bob Hearts Abishola](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-6-bob-hearts-abishola) - [Chuck Lorre, as a body of work](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-7-chuck-lorre-as-a-body-of-work) - [Everything on CBS](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-8-everything-on-cbs) - [The 1990s megahits](#cv-category-the-1990s-megahits) - [Friends](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-0-friends) - [Seinfeld](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld) - [Frasier, Cheers and the reboot](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot) - [Will & Grace](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-3-will-grace) - [Three's Company](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-4-three-s-company) - [Roseanne](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-5-roseanne) - [The Cosby Show](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-6-the-cosby-show) - [The 2000s and 2010s](#cv-category-the-2000s-and-2010s) - [How I Met Your Mother](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-0-how-i-met-your-mother) - [The Office](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-1-the-office) - [Modern Family](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-2-modern-family) - [The Middle](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-3-the-middle) - [New Girl](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-4-new-girl) - [The Ranch](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-5-the-ranch) - [The Goldbergs](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-6-the-goldbergs) - [Schitt's Creek](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-7-schitt-s-creek) - [Ted Lasso](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-8-ted-lasso) - [The comedies Reddit usually defends, named anyway](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-9-the-comedies-reddit-usually-defends-named-anyway) - [The sitcoms people grew up on](#cv-category-the-sitcoms-people-grew-up-on) - [Full House](#rich-node-0-group-4-subgroup-0-full-house) - [Family Matters](#rich-node-0-group-4-subgroup-1-family-matters) - [Happy Days](#rich-node-0-group-4-subgroup-2-happy-days) - [The 1980s syndication lineup](#rich-node-0-group-4-subgroup-3-the-1980s-syndication-lineup) - [Sitcoms from before 1980](#rich-node-0-group-4-subgroup-4-sitcoms-from-before-1980) - [The kids' channel sitcoms](#rich-node-0-group-4-subgroup-5-the-kids-channel-sitcoms) - [British and Irish television](#cv-category-british-and-irish-television) - [Mrs Brown's Boys](#rich-node-0-group-5-subgroup-0-mrs-brown-s-boys) - [Gavin & Stacey](#rich-node-0-group-5-subgroup-1-gavin-stacey) - [Little Britain](#rich-node-0-group-5-subgroup-2-little-britain) - [Other British sitcoms](#rich-node-0-group-5-subgroup-3-other-british-sitcoms) - [Cartoons and puppets counted as sitcoms](#cv-category-cartoons-and-puppets-counted-as-sitcoms) - [Family Guy](#rich-node-0-group-6-subgroup-0-family-guy) - [The Simpsons](#rich-node-0-group-6-subgroup-1-the-simpsons) - [Dinosaurs](#rich-node-0-group-6-subgroup-2-dinosaurs) - [Answers that were not sitcoms at all](#cv-category-answers-that-were-not-sitcoms-at-all) - [Suits](#rich-node-0-group-7-subgroup-0-suits) - [Yellowstone and the Taylor Sheridan shows](#rich-node-0-group-7-subgroup-1-yellowstone-and-the-taylor-sheridan-shows) - [The rest of the not-a-sitcom answers](#rich-node-0-group-7-subgroup-2-the-rest-of-the-not-a-sitcom-answers) - [Answers that named a rule instead of a show](#cv-category-answers-that-named-a-rule-instead-of-a-show) - [Anything with a laugh track](#rich-node-0-group-8-subgroup-0-anything-with-a-laugh-track) - [All of them](#rich-node-0-group-8-subgroup-1-all-of-them) - [The shows that simply ran too long](#rich-node-0-group-8-subgroup-2-the-shows-that-simply-ran-too-long) - [The long tail](#cv-category-the-long-tail) - [The one-vote answers](#rich-node-0-group-9-subgroup-0-the-one-vote-answers) **Evidence status:** The schlubby husband, the hot wife, and the shows built on them327 records · 11 sub-topicsThe thread's opening answer described a format rather than a title, and these are the shows the replies attached to it. 327 records. The trope itself, named without a title18 index entriesThe most-liked answer in the thread names no show at all, and these are the records that argue about the shape it describes. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The trope itself, named without a title Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The trope itself, named without a title 18 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 0 **Claim context:** The trope itself, named without a title **Why it matters:** The most-liked answer in the thread names no programme at all. It describes a format, and the records under it argue about which shows belong to it and where it came from. The recurring description is a heavy, joke-cracking husband married to a woman the commenters say the show treats as far out of his league, with the marriage played for hostility. Several records say the format is so common that naming it narrows nothing down; others trace it to studios repeating a proven shape rather than to any one writer, and one points out the version with the genders reversed is almost never made. **What readers reported:** That show where some schlubby wisecracking guy has a hot wife and they hate each other. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Commenters in this group disagree about what the format was for. Some read it as a straightforward insult to both spouses; others argue the shows were pitched at an audience that recognised its own marriage in it, and one records being annoyed by the same recurring storyline as a child in the early eighties. What the replies added2 Kevin Can Fuck Himself is a good hate-letter to this trope. From the replies♥ 3,104 Reminds me of quick cut I saw once in Friends. Chandler's got the TV remote and notes "Ohhhh - this is the episode of "Three's Company" where there's a huge misunderstanding....." and Phoebe snatches the remote from his hand, saying "Then I've already seen it!!!" From the replies♥ 475 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source That show where some schlubby wisecracking guy has a hot wife and they hate each other. source record 0♥ 4,385 Later-arriving source it's funny watching this paly out - the whole trope started by pandering to bored housewives, telling them that they were the rock of the household, and now it's "no, he's abusing you, through unspecified things" posted about 12.1 hours after the source♥ 4 Zero-like source In both shows the wife was the villain who mistreated their husbands posted about 2.4 hours after the source♥ -9 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “hate each other” recurs across 2 of the 18 source records in The trope itself, named without a title; the complete archive stays available below. 18index entries 18distinct source records 5.5%of parent category 0.9%of the complete index 1top-level comments 17replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 3asks a question 0says they intend to try it 15other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments18 preserved records · 18 of 18 source records accounted for **That show where some schlubby wisecracking guy has a hot wife and they hate each other.**♥ 4,385source record 0 **So many sitcoms in the 90s were just about the characters being assholes to each other. The ones you listed plus Just Shoot Me and Will & Grace spring to mind.**♥ 41source record 421 **it's funny watching this paly out - the whole trope started by pandering to bored housewives, telling them that they were the rock of the household, and now it's "no, he's abusing you, through unspecified things"**♥ 4source record 503 **I fucking hate that show**♥ 13source record 516 **No in some of the shows they don't hate each other. Sometimes the hot wife that the fat guy would never get in real life is begging him to sleep with her for their anniversary and he is desperately trying to get out of it so he can drink beer and eat wings with his friends who all hit on his wife but she rejects them even though they are no worse than and in some cases clearly better than her fat husband.**♥ 7source record 533 **You mean all of them**♥ 2source record 535 **Right? It's never a schlubby wisecracking woman with a hot husband. I think the closest they may have gotten was Roseanne, but her husband wasn't hot.**♥ 2source record 536 **They're all like that.**♥ 4source record 564 **The one where a couple characters have a disagreement so they put a line of tape down the middle of the room and YOU stay on YOUR side and I will stay on MINE and then \*comedy ensues!\***♥ 8source record 572 **I remember being 8 years old in the early 80's and already being annoyed with that story line, asking myself, "How many times are they gonna do this?" More... so... many.... more**♥ 1source record 670 **That trope basically goes all the way back to the honeymooners. People complain about movies reusing the same ideas but TV is a way worse offender. You have some good ones, like Al Bundy (more of an all in the family trope dad) still loves his family despite his love of hooters and his early manosphere group no ma'am. But imagine Kevin James character in some of those scenarios, when they decided to also make the husband a coward it really got bad. its like "youre dumb, fat, ugly, mean, and now also a coward. We have stripped any positive character traits".**♥ 5source record 1284 **Studios love to make Schlumpy Husband / Shrill Wife sitcoms.**♥ 50source record 1510 **It's all in the family style. No need to re-invent the wheel.**♥ 4source record 1511 **shows like this always get a shit ton of air time because how else will they indoctrinate women with propaganda that they should not only marry but stay with their fat piece of shit husband no matter what?**♥ -2source record 2410 **I can't stand the trope of the wife as the boss. Too many comedians where this is their entire career. Brian Regan started a bit once calling these kind of comedians out. In a mocking voice he goes " My husband is so stupid..."**♥ 1source record 2525 **In both shows the wife was the villain who mistreated their husbands**♥ -9source record 2528 **I’m guessing you haven’t seen much of those shows because thats how Debra and Carrie were written to be mean and controlling wife’s. I can think of dozens of examples especially ELR where the wife is being absolutely horrible to the husband**♥ 0source record 2548 **They did a 180 from the early black and white days. I swear I saw Ricky Ricardo standing there with a cigarette and a cocktail threatening to give Lucy a black eye.**♥ 1source record 2612 Archive: 18 index entries preserve 18 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The King of Queens38 index entriesThe thread's sharpest split: the same show is called insufferable and defended at length in the same replies. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The King of Queens Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The King of Queens 38 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1509 **Claim context:** The King of Queens **Why it matters:** The most evenly split answer in the corpus. The complaint is the lead's shouting and voices, and lines between the two leads that commenters say have aged badly. But this node holds as much defence as attack: several records argue the marriage in it is more balanced than the thread claims, that the wife is at least as unkind as the husband, and that the supporting cast — Jerry Stiller's Arthur above all — is why people still watch it. Two commenters describe rewatching it as adults and coming to opposite conclusions. **What readers reported:** King of Queens, I got sick of Doug yelling and screeching 'bout to bust a gut, doing stupid voices. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The longest single defence in the whole thread is written about this show: a reply arguing at length that the couple hold roughly equal power, that the husband is a doofus rather than a bully, and that the reader of the original complaint cannot have watched much of it. What replies pushed back on2 That trope basically goes all the way back to the honeymooners. People complain about movies reusing the same ideas but TV is a way worse offender. You have some good ones, like Al Bundy (more of an all in the family trope dad) still loves his family despite his love of hooters and his early manosphere group no ma'am. But imagine Kevin James character in some of those scenarios, when they decided to also make the husband a coward it really got bad. its like "youre dumb, fat, ugly, mean, and now also a coward. We have stripped any positive character traits". Pushback♥ 5 Everybody loves Raymond is even worse as both characters are awful. Raymond is dumb as a bag of rocks but his wife literally hates him with every fibre of her being and doesn't hide it. Pushback♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source The King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond. I hate those sitcoms where the husband is a douche to his wife but we're supposed to find it funny. source record 409♥ 802 Later-arriving source There's an episode where Doug sneaks into a support group for people with abusive partners, simply because they have better snacks than the Overeaters Anonymous meeting he's supposed to be at. He starts to realize that he's being abused by Carrie, but he's still portrayed like a jerk for overreacting. But it ends up pointing out how much danger he's in. posted about 15.3 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source If anything, these comments are proof that many things in life are products of their time and can be a bit misunderstood as time goes on. Shows like The King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond (although not even in my top 10) definitely had legitimately funny episodes and the comedy was fitting for the ’90s into the early ’00s. They're objectively not the WORST sitcoms considering all the crap which has graced a TV screen. posted about 15.1 hours after the source♥ 1 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Frasier, Cheers and the rebootTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot)[Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[SeinfeldTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld) #### What the counts show Across 38 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 38index entries 38distinct source records 11.6%of parent category 1.9%of the complete index 7top-level comments 31replies #### What commenters explicitly report 2explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 35other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Turn it into a game **3** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments38 preserved records · 38 of 38 source records accounted for **Oh no, I actually do love King of Queens**♥ 224source record 47 **I love KoQ also, but holy hell are some of their lines to each other abusive and toxic as hell. The “fat ass” and “slut” stuff has aged like milk.**♥ 162source record 48 **King of Queens is an all-time great sitcom.**♥ 19source record 49 **The King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond. I hate those sitcoms where the husband is a douche to his wife but we're supposed to find it funny.**♥ 802source record 409 **Doug and Carrie are \*both\* awful people. I like that show though.**♥ 197source record 419 **Agree. In the lens of 2026 it’s maybe not as acceptable, but if you consider the era that it was in, I think it’s a good show.**♥ 58source record 420 **I’ll give King of Queens a pass because I absolutely love Jerry Stiller**♥ 37source record 422 **King of Queens had its moments, Arthur was genuinely funny, even if it was basically just a rehash of Frank Costanza**♥ 8source record 424 **King of queens. Raymond.**♥ 8source record 449 **I love both of those actors but the writing is just awful and sad.**♥ 25source record 508 **I love it for Jerry Stiller! He’s hilarious. The show wouldn’t have been half as good if he wasn’t on it.**♥ 66source record 509 **I love when he gets hooked on like dristan nasal spray. Takes a hit and turns on jazz lol**♥ 21source record 510 **I only know King Of Queens because of Patton Oswalt. Apparently there is one scene in that show where Patton is just standing stationary for like three different scenes and you can see him in the background of all of those scenes doing nothing.**♥ 3source record 527 **I had seen some random episodes as a kid but finally yesterday I finished watching every single episode of King of Queens with my wife. It was great. I love it.**♥ 6source record 530 **It's still a comfort show for me and my girlfriend from time to time, but Doug is such an ass to the point it becomes infuriating a lot of the time. One of the only episodes I actually enjoyed watching recently was the one with Adam Sandler at his high school reunion. It starts with Doug wanting to relive his hyper macho high school glory days and ends with him literally abandoning Adam Sandler's character who is in the middle of committing multiple felonies. Any time Doug turns on his usual behavior is generally a decent episode.**♥ 12source record 532 **recently watched King of Queens, by the end it was insuferable**♥ 2source record 566 **The thing about King of Queens is that it absolutely sucks, but it does have Jerry Stiller and Patton Oswalt on it so there's at least a little bit of a saving grace.**♥ 4source record 573 **I love the king of queens. It's absoutely middle of the road but it has its charm**♥ 19source record 574 **It's hilarious**♥ 4source record 575 **Honorable mention to The King of Queens**♥ 1source record 586 **Yeah I am big fan of King of Queens.**♥ 1source record 594 **King of queens was another I couldn’t stand. Half of it was just fat jokes and it was just lazy**♥ 2source record 791 **Me too. I hate how it gets lumped on with crappy sitcoms. It does have the relationship trope and a few lame episodes especially the first season) but there is some great writing and characters actors: Jerry Stiller, Victor Williams, Patton Oswalt, Nicole Sullivan, Merrin Dingey. The Lou Ferigno episodes are great.**♥ 5source record 1290 **King of Queens is awesome. You have a surface level view if you think he’s just a “douche” to his wife, and that’s what’s funny about it. I mean he lets her dad (who drives him crazy) move in to their house, and even in the episodes where it’s too much and he wants Arthur gone, there’s a soft spot regret and “I’m sorry, we miss you, come back” when he sees the reality of that. Also the ending was great. I hate the “husband mean to wife” trope too, and King of Queens isn’t it.**♥ 15source record 1297 **Yeah objectively Carrie was meaner to Doug. Still hilarious though.**♥ 3source record 1298 **If you think Carrie wasn't also a douche to Doug then you've never seen the show**♥ 4source record 1315 **Have you ever watched King of Queens? A single episode? Doug and Carrie hold more or less equal power in their relationship. Doug is a doofus who tries to do the right thing but ultimately succumbs to his whims or avoidance of uncomfortable situations. He continually tries to do right by Carrie, yet he always screws it up, which is the whole show. Carrie is conceited and high-strung, and she flips out on Doug a lot, often resulting in her feeling guilty and trying to dampen the blow, until Doug does something else to reaffirm the reason she was mad in the first place. I've seen so many episodes of this show, not the whole thing by any means, but their relationship clearly has deep love and mutual respect at its core. Their marriage is healthier than most real-life marriages I've seen due to the fact that they clearly legitimately love each other and don't just put up with each other. So many episodes are centered around them initially trying to do something special for the other, until external circumstances screw it up. I honestly cannot understand how anyone could watch that show and come to the conclusion about it that you have. You have a bit more of a point when it comes to Everybody Loves Raymond; Ray is significantly less emotionally mature than Doug despite being slightly more intelligent and less impulsive than Doug. He loves his wife too, but clearly their relationship is much less balanced, with Deborah often having to foot the bill and be the assertive one in their interpersonal conflicts. And that's not to mention the parents - Marie is constantly belittling Deborah, and Marie and Frank's relationship is pretty toxic. So sure, I'll give you Everybody Loves Raymond, though Ray isn't really a "douche" per se. But King of Queens? No way, Doug is far from a douche, and their relationship is mostly healthy and loving despite both of their (significant) flaws.**♥ 4source record 1327 **Arthur, in retrospect, was the magic glue of that show. I've always liked it, but when I was younger, I thought Arthur was annoying. As I aged, I realized Jerry Stiller was maybe the funniest person ever. I really like the whole cast. I know people shit on Kevin James a lot nowadays--I'm not sure why, but I feel like it started around Paul Blart (which was \*fine\*). He was great.**♥ 2source record 1341 **King of Queens was pretty crappy, but as a fat guy with a huge crush on Leah Remini, that show was aspirational.**♥ 2source record 1348 **You must hate the episode where Leah Remini, an early 2000's Leah Remini at that, decides to do her hair up in a bun, and Kevin James is absolutely disgusted. She tries to initiate sex with him at one point but he can't because he finds the sight of her revolting. He's trying the whole episode to not throw up in his mouth when he sees, I repeat, \*\*early 2000's Leah Remini,\*\* with her hair in a bun.**♥ 3source record 1349 **King of Queens, I got sick of Doug yelling and screeching 'bout to bust a gut, doing stupid voices.**♥ 55source record 1509 **The King of Queens**♥ 26source record 1784 **King of Queens How I Met Your Mother**♥ 2source record 1792 **If anything, these comments are proof that many things in life are products of their time and can be a bit misunderstood as time goes on. Shows like The King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond (although not even in my top 10) definitely had legitimately funny episodes and the comedy was fitting for the ’90s into the early ’00s. They're objectively not the WORST sitcoms considering all the crap which has graced a TV screen.**♥ 1source record 1938 **King of Queens**♥ 0source record 2225 **There's an episode where Doug sneaks into a support group for people with abusive partners, simply because they have better snacks than the Overeaters Anonymous meeting he's supposed to be at. He starts to realize that he's being abused by Carrie, but he's still portrayed like a jerk for overreacting. But it ends up pointing out how much danger he's in.**♥ 1source record 2364 **In king of queens, both Doug and Carrey suck**♥ 2source record 2524 **I loved King of Queens when it was on tv when i was a young teen, around 12-15 or so. Rewatched it a couple of times as background noise. Now im 40, i started rewatching it again as background noise and pretty much every character in the show is a dick. 🤣**♥ 1source record 2527 Archive: 38 index entries preserve 38 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Everybody Loves Raymond96 index entriesMore records than any show outside the CBS block, and the one where the complaint is about the marriage rather than the jokes. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Everybody Loves Raymond Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Everybody Loves Raymond 96 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1194 **Claim context:** Everybody Loves Raymond **Why it matters:** The complaint here is almost never about the jokes. It is about the marriage and the in-laws: commenters describe every adult character as unpleasant to the others, and several say that removing the laughter would leave something closer to a drama about a miserable family. The recurring line is that the show has two jokes, one about the spouse and one about the parents, and that neither changes across nine seasons. The strongest defenders say exactly the same thing and call it the point. **What readers reported:** I agree I hated this show. It's mostly just watching two spouses yell at each other like omg just get a divorce already. It's made worse by the fact that BOTH spouses are insuffererable. I can only assume people related to it somehow? If that's true y'all need to get some help. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** A large minority of these records like the show and say the unpleasantness is deliberate — that the mother-in-law is written to be insufferable, that the supporting cast is the draw, and that people who grew up in large families recognise the dynamic rather than being repelled by it. What the replies added2 Have you ever seen Kevin Can F Himself? It's basically that exact concept of it being a drama when the laugh track goes away. I really liked it! From the replies♥ 438 They wrote 2 jokes for that entire show... I hate my husband/wife I hate my in laws From the replies♥ 156 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Despite some of the talent floating around, I absolutely HATE Everybody Loves Raymond with a PASSION. The writing is lazy and you can see each and every actor phoning it in. Even THEY know its bad. Its so bad that it becomes a fucking drama about a fucked up marriage if you remove the laugh track. There's not a single likeable character slithering through that show. My wife likes sitcoms (theyre dumb and easy to watch after draining days at work) and we're watching The Middle. The \*\*ONLY\*\* rule we have about picking a sitcom is \*\*NO\*\* Everybody Loves Raymond, so she absolutely loses her shit whenever there's a cameo reunion. Fuck that show. source record 335♥ 1,256 Later-arriving source Wild that so many people don’t understand this. I still watch the show every single night and love that it drives some people up the wall. 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Browse the original comments96 preserved records · 96 of 96 source records accounted for **Despite some of the talent floating around, I absolutely HATE Everybody Loves Raymond with a PASSION. The writing is lazy and you can see each and every actor phoning it in. Even THEY know its bad. Its so bad that it becomes a fucking drama about a fucked up marriage if you remove the laugh track. There's not a single likeable character slithering through that show. My wife likes sitcoms (theyre dumb and easy to watch after draining days at work) and we're watching The Middle. The \*\*ONLY\*\* rule we have about picking a sitcom is \*\*NO\*\* Everybody Loves Raymond, so she absolutely loses her shit whenever there's a cameo reunion. Fuck that show.**♥ 1,256source record 335 **Frank had some great one liners.**♥ 92source record 342 **They wrote 2 jokes for that entire show... I hate my husband/wife I hate my in laws**♥ 156source record 345 **To be fair, I also hate that husband, wife, and in laws.**♥ 86source record 346 **Ray Romano is lucky he had such a stellar cast. Would have just bombed if it were just him and a bunch of nobodies.**♥ 79source record 347 **I always thought Ray Romano was a total hack because of that show and for years and years didn't watch anything he was in. Then I saw The Big Sick and he was \*hilarious\* in it and I found out no, it's just the show that sucked. He's actually really, really funny.**♥ 24source record 349 **Never thought it was funny until i married into a big Italian-American family**♥ 8source record 350 **Robert is definitely the best character on that show.**♥ 5source record 353 **Wow. I love ELR. It's nostalgic for me. But I like your commitment to hating it LOL**♥ 59source record 354 **I like it too, though Marie is insufferable.**♥ 10source record 355 **I find her and Frank absolutely hilarious, but also insufferable. I've never been able to watch more than two episodes at a time because most insufferable of them all is Raymond.**♥ 14source record 356 **I mean that was the point of her character. Deb having to deal with the ever-present MIL that criticizes and judges her.**♥ 6source record 357 **It's one of the few, maybe only, show where I don't like most of the characters but I still like the show. Haven't watched in years and it probably doesn't hold up, but I did enjoy it when it was still airing new episodes.**♥ 4source record 358 **everyone loves raymond is carried by the old folks and ray's brother. the two leads are not that great.**♥ 10source record 359 **King of Queens yes, but Everybody loves Raymond knew what it was doing. It was exploring the codependent and sometimes toxic relationship with Italian sons and their parents- and part of that is the the new wife needing to "compete" with her mother in law. It'd be like saying "I don't like how in Gilmore Girls the mother and daughter are so close in age!" Like, yeah that's literally one of the dynamics that show is exploring.**♥ 137source record 423 **More like Everybody Tolerates Raymond For Some Ungodly Reason. I know it was a product of its time but I hate the shows where the dad is this macho dbag who gets weirded out by the smallest of things.**♥ 17source record 425 **Look, not everyone loved Raymond.**♥ 9source record 426 **Everybody Loves Raymond 🤮**♥ 62source record 479 **Everybody loves Raymond. What the fuck was that?**♥ 372source record 481 **Peter Boyle was the only saving grace of that show.**♥ 54source record 482 **I loved everyone but Raymond**♥ 213source record 483 **Exactly. I can’t stand his voice!**♥ 53source record 484 **I don't hate it, but I can't believe it lasted nine seasons.**♥ 48source record 485 **its the kind of show that is funny at first, cos everyone can relate to 'oh no what if i was trapped with my nosy inlaws??'. but a few seasons in its just like. why is no one DOING SOMETHING about this situation. they're all just happy to live in a never-changing miserable situation??? jesus christ ALL of these characters are gods-awful, and they need to get AWAY from eachother. if anyone has fic recs of any of the characters straight up leaving the country and going permanently no-contact with the rest of family, PLEASE drop the link. but i think that probably doesn't exist lol.**♥ 56source record 486 **Nah, Everybody Loves Raymond is great- and the cast is overall talented. Compared to many others on this list it is not nearly as bad.**♥ 107source record 487 **I actually enjoyed it**♥ 55source record 488 **Everybody loves Raymond**♥ 20source record 495 **Everybody Loves Raymond isn't AS annoying as KoQ but still annoying, but also suffers from a stacked cast overshadowing kinda cheap sitcom writing.**♥ 14source record 512 **Someone wrote an essay in the 90s about “have you noticed how sitcoms these days be like: men are chumps and their long-suffering wives are way smarter than them” and that’s all I could ever see after that in ELR**♥ 5source record 1173 **I always figured the point of the show was how messed up all the families are but maybe that’s just me.**♥ 3source record 1174 **I didn’t hate it, but it did turn a little dark.**♥ 4source record 1175 **During my first marriage I couldn’t watch it bc I wished my life was that good…sad but true. Talk about exhausting in-laws I was cursed. Years later I can enjoy the comedy of it all.**♥ 4source record 1177 **"\*You're\* a trophy wife? What contest in hell did I win?"**♥ 5source record 1178 **All I ever think of with that show is the episode where Robert is only allowed a hand towel after a shower. Just thinking about it makes me chuckle (as a bit of a 'lurch' as well)**♥ 3source record 1191 **I used to watch it all the time away back in the day when DVD releases were a thing. Then didn't watch it for like 15 years, because the internet told me it was crap. My first rewatch a few years back was like "yeah this show still fucking rocks". Rewatched it last year and had the same conclusion. It's probably a top 5 sitcom for me. (Behind Frasier, Cheers, Curb and Community) Id rank it alongside Malcom and Parks and Rec. Every single character on that show is like an exaggerated version of someone from my family, and that's why the humour fits (Particularly now a lot of them IRL are gone 😭) A lot of story lines are super believable too (Phil Rosenthal has even said pretty much all of them were developed from real life events) The casting (Brad Garrett, Patty Heaton, Doris Roberts, Peter Boyle, Fred Willard, Georgia Engel) is A+ (Ray Romano and Monica Horan are ok) The comment that every episode feels the same is true, but if you like and can relate to that formula that's a good thing. It's best episode isn't going to be as good as the best episode of the shows I listed above, but it's worst episode won't be anywhere near as bad. It's a a solid 7-9/10 every episode for me.**♥ 3source record 1192 **I agree I hated this show. It's mostly just watching two spouses yell at each other like omg just get a divorce already. It's made worse by the fact that BOTH spouses are insuffererable. I can only assume people related to it somehow? If that's true y'all need to get some help.**♥ 14source record 1194 **I used to hate Everybody Loves Raymond when it was on the air. Then in syndication I started to focus more on Patricia Heaton, she's the mom from the Middle and I didn't really notice that was her on everybody loves ray. She's great and I watch the show as her being the main character. It really becomes a Fuck that guy Ray show and it makes it way better to me.**♥ 2source record 1204 **THIS!! My all time most hated show is Everybody Loves Raymond**♥ 2source record 1205 **Have you ever seen \*Coven, American Horror Story\*’s third installment? It perceives Hell as highly individualized realms, hyper-specifically curated to each person’s idea of fear, loss, longing, psychological torment and of the various forms that captivity can take. If Hades does in fact exist, and as depicted in \*AHS\*, being imprisoned in the abject misery of the \*Everybody Loves Raymond\* universe for all eternity would be my own personal Hell. My witheringly bitter shrew of a wife will gladly devote several entire days at a time to aggressively nagging me and complaining about/to me, or (following an jarring switch to Damsel in Distress mode) to emotionally manipulating me in order to weaponize me against my monstrous parents; the only time she will deign to touch me, however, is when she’s physically assaulting me. My boundary-obliterating covert narcissist mother is so insidiously overbearing, meddlesome and self-absorbed she makes Livia Soprano seem like an aspirational Italian matriarch. My pathetic sad sack of a brother has a persecution complex even bigger than his ungainly body, the engine of which is his burning resentment of me as “the golden child.” My obnoxious, caustic old prick of a father would practically be a non-factor in my horrible existence given that he very rarely seems to give two shits about anyone or anything, but he’s cutting and nasty in such a bellowing, lacerating manner that he still warrants recognition as an architect of my misery. All of these “loved ones” either live in the same house, just across the street or close by, and the ones who aren’t under the same roof might as well be with their constant barging in, uninvited and unannounced. There is no escaping them, no real reprieve, which is largely my own fault as I’m a dim, ineffectual, spineless cuck/mama’s boy/weakling. In a word: \*\*\*HELL!\*\*\***♥ 2source record 1206 **I can't remember where I read it, but I remember reading that if you take away the laugh-track from Everybody Loves Raymond, it's a horror show.**♥ 2source record 1207 **Hate so much about this show and the actors...between Ray Romano's nasal voice, Patricia Heaten whining, Brad Garrett sounding like a reanimated corpse, and the mom and dad always yelling....it's unbearable to watch if unmuted.**♥ 7source record 1217 **It was considered good for its time**♥ 2source record 1219 **I liked that the kids were sidelined for the most part. Just sitting there coloring or watching tv as if on valium, very unnatural for kids on a tv show.**♥ 1source record 1220 **I have a private media server (think of it as my own Netflix) that I let a small group of friends use. I'll take requests and put anything on there. I refused to put everybody loves Raymond on there. Complete garbage show.**♥ 2source record 1229 **YESSSS. This is my answer too. There’s nothing funny about it, it’s one big cringe fest with immature people and annoying voices (except the brother). I will never understand why this show was beloved by so many people that it’s still in reruns 20 years later. I love cheesy sitcoms, I love good sitcoms, I love funny and sweet sitcoms… this is none of those. The title was always ironic to me, bc I couldn’t stand Raymond or his family.**♥ 3source record 1233 **I also wonder how ELR was as popular and beloved as it was. The only thing that makes some sense to me is that a lot of boomers and/or GenX folks could relate to the themes of being in a mostly miserable marriage, having insufferable in-laws, and overall just living this mediocre life that you’re too familiar with to change it.**♥ 1source record 1234 **Meh, i like ray romano.**♥ 1source record 1236 **I mean, they're all supposed to be insufferable. It'a like a family version of Seinfeld.**♥ 1source record 1251 **Wild that so many people don’t understand this. I still watch the show every single night and love that it drives some people up the wall. Frank would approve.**♥ 1source record 1252 **I hate that show too.**♥ -1source record 1253 **I remember that show making me laugh twice. Once through Weird Al's "Everybody Tolerates Raymond" line in "Couch Potato". Once through a joke Patricia Heaton made in some promotional behind the scenes thing.**♥ 1source record 1256 **My theory is that these shows were fine in a week-to-week format, bur when binging, you see the toxicity of the characters. I loved Everybody Loves Raymond once a week for 25 minutes. Try binging it, you learn to hate every adult. Even Deborah! Somehow I find myself hating and sympathizing with her.**♥ 1source record 1259 **Ray's dramatic work turned out much better than the show that made him famous.**♥ 1source record 1260 **How was he a sportswriter that never watched sports.**♥ 1source record 1262 **Multiple plotlines are about him watching sports, both for work and at the ezpense of his marriage.**♥ 1source record 1263 **I hated that show, and by extension, Ray Romano. Then I saw him in Get Shorty and by God, the man can act and do something other than unfunny boomer unhappy marriage jokes - why the hell was he wasting his talent on ELR?!**♥ -1source record 1267 **Just catching Raymond on repeats now and wow. Those two are so mean to each other. Well, everyone is mean on that show. So whiney, needy. Can’t believe how popular it was.**♥ 33source record 1294 **Not gonna lie, this is how my large Italian American in law family actually acts, though**♥ 3source record 1295 **\> Can’t believe how popular it was. It was a product of it's time**♥ 6source record 1296 **Comedy genius, he was too good for that show**♥ 5source record 1392 **Everyone loves Raymond… While the child actors and their storylines were all right, everyone else was nothing but toxic and dysfunctional towards each other…**♥ 3source record 1401 **I thought Frank and Marie were hilarious. But hey, that's just me.**♥ 5source record 1411 **Same for me, and Robert. Ray was the worst. I could tolerate Debra but for fucks sake, I always thought she was nuts for not divorcing Raymond by the one year mark just because of his family bullshit.**♥ 1source record 1412 **In the episode where Robert and Amy get married, Amy's mom tells off Marie at the reception, and it is SUCH a gratifying scene!**♥ 2source record 1419 **My biggest problem with Everybody Loves Raymond is the script. Debra wanted to move across the street from Rays parents because she thought it’d be a good idea to have them close by while Ray was the one fighting the idea. Now she can’t stand him and constantly complains to Ray about them. Debra also gets mad at Ray for watching too much sports when his literal job is being a sports writer for the paper, which I would imagine she’d want him to be good at since it’s literally their only income. Ray is a lazy parent and partner, but I understand his need to watch sports for his column. Debra is at fault for her misery with her in-laws. Ray is just a lazy spouse/parent. He acts like he does body breaking work when all he really does is be at the office working on an article after watching sports. I could understand him wanting to relax more had he had a grueling 9-5**♥ 1source record 1458 **Everybody Loves Raymond I find this show completely unwatchable.**♥ 1source record 1535 **Everybody loves raymond. That show pisses me off with how awful ray and his mother and father are!!**♥ 6source record 1543 **Everyone Loves Raymond. Two and a half men.**♥ 10source record 1555 **Everybody Loves Raymond won more Emmys than Arrested Development**♥ 4source record 1560 **Everybody Loves Raymond**♥ 2source record 1627 **Everybody Loves Raymond**♥ 3source record 1629 **Everybody Loves Raymond.**♥ 32source record 1660 **Everybody Loves Raymond. Too many seasons of “my wife and mom SUCK”**♥ 15source record 1662 **Everyone Loves Raymond. Couldn't stand the son of a bitch myself.**♥ 16source record 1674 **Everybody Loves Raymond. So lame and unfunny.**♥ 3source record 1712 **In this thread: tasteless viewers spewing Everybody Loves Raymond slander.**♥ 2source record 1733 **Everybody Loves Raymond**♥ 2source record 1806 **Everybody Loves Raymond. I actually have kind of a soft spot for sitcoms in general but the degree to which both his marriage and that of his parents are made up of nothing but scorn and bile towards each other is honestly despicable to make light of.**♥ 4source record 1819 **Everybody loves Raymond.**♥ 2source record 1823 **Everybody loves Raymond**♥ 1source record 1841 **Everybody Loves Raymond. As I got older I realized how much Debra suffered with that annoying family. Show should have ended with a divorce, Debra keeping the house and banging bartenders from the Texas Roadhouse down the street, while Raymond moves back in with his parents.**♥ 3source record 1859 **It seemed fine at the time but has anyone watched Everybody Loves Raymond in reruns lately? It’s just the most unpleasant thing to watch ever. There are worse written and less funny shows for sure but it’s just people fighting and whining and moaning at each other for 20 minutes at a time every single episode.**♥ 1source record 1929 **Everybody Loves Raymond I don’t know anyone who loved that show.**♥ 1source record 2024 **Everybody loves Raymond. Egads, for me it was unwatchable.**♥ 1source record 2272 **Everybody Loves Raymond, by far. Not even remotely amusing.**♥ 0source record 2318 **Everyone loved Raymond**♥ 5source record 2328 **Everybody loves Raymond is even worse as both characters are awful. Raymond is dumb as a bag of rocks but his wife literally hates him with every fibre of her being and doesn't hide it.**♥ 1source record 2511 **ray's wife was too, but neither as bad as his parents/brother**♥ 1source record 2513 **I use everybody loves Raymond and Seinfeld as a litmus test for assholes and narcissists.**♥ 1source record 2526 **How someone can be entertained by a nosy, mean, passive-aggressive, know-it-all of a mother in law, a farty loudmouth of a father in law, a jealous sibling who just can't let go, and a husband so truly dedicated to never fulfilling the bare minimum required of a husband, is beyond me.**♥ 0source record 2549 **It's so funny because my husband laughs at how much I hate this show. Thankfully he doesn't like it. But when he's scrolling looking for a show to watch he'll stop on that and look at me and I'll say everyone does NOT loved Raymond.**♥ -1source record 2555 **Everybody loves Raymond**♥ 1source record 2597 **To be fair some others on the show were very good. It was mainly Raymond I don't like. He dragged the show down.**♥ 1source record 2685 **Fair. Definitely the most annoying character, but he also had his moments. As a middle aged married man (thankfully with awesome in-laws who live 20 miles away), it has some of the funniest episodes of any sitcoms. The suitcase, Robert’s girlfriend eating the fly, the can opener make me laugh just thinking about them.**♥ 1source record 2686 **Everybody Loves Raymond and Big Bang Theory have always made me more angry than has given me laughs. Everyone is so insufferable.**♥ 2source record 2695 **Everybody loves Raymond**♥ 0source record 2758 Archive: 96 index entries preserve 96 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs According to Jim39 index entriesAnswered mostly by people who say they never watched it, and defended by a few who say they did. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: According to Jim Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### According to Jim 39 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 69 **Claim context:** According to Jim **Why it matters:** This answer is carried by its run rather than by anything in the episodes: the record that opens it just states how many seasons it got, and much of what follows is from people who say they never watched it and cannot work out who did. Several describe catching it only while changing channels or because it sat next to something they did want. One commenter reports meeting somebody paid to sit in its audience who says they were told when to laugh. **What readers reported:** According To Jim aired for NINE SEASONS **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** A small group of records defend it warmly as comfortable, low-stakes background television, and one commenter calls it their favourite show and describes watching it weekly with a friend. What the replies added1 As much as I want submit Family Matters, I simply can't disagree with this Pushback♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source According To Jim aired for NINE SEASONS source record 69♥ 2,997 Later-arriving source I don't think anyone in real life has ever mentioned that show to me. I can't make the math work about who was actually watching it. posted about 15.1 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source According to Jim. Wrong kid died. posted about 0.1 hours after the source♥ -17 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “watched for about five minutes before” recurs across 2 of the 39 source records in According to Jim; the complete archive stays available below. 39index entries 39distinct source records 11.9%of parent category 2%of the complete index 6top-level comments 33replies #### What commenters explicitly report 4explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 3asks a question 0says they intend to try it 32other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments39 preserved records · 39 of 39 source records accounted for **According To Jim aired for NINE SEASONS**♥ 2,997source record 69 **OMG I am so glad this is the top comment. 20 yrs ago my wife was trying to make it in acting (mostly stage work, but she would’ve loved a tv gig) and the audition process was brutal on her ego. My response when she was down was to say “well we know it’s not all about talent because According to Jim is still on the air!”**♥ 765source record 70 **honestly my dad and I loved that show lol, It was bad but in a very comforting way**♥ 172source record 76 **Andy is funny as hell idc what other people say about the rest of the show. The last season you can really tell shit was falling apart, they lost like two of their lead cast members.**♥ 52source record 77 **Same, terrible but amusing and low stakes**♥ 15source record 78 **And yet I literally never saw more than five seconds of it as I was changing the channels.**♥ 312source record 79 **I feel like it is one of those shows that must have been on right after some other show that I didn't watch but was probably very popular. It's wild that it used to be that you could will a show into being successful, to a degree, but just putting it after another show that was popular even if it sucked. Or even if it didn't suck, for example I think that's part of what happened with Arrested Development (it originally had pretty good ratings, when it was airing after The Simpsons, but then they changed around the airtime and it fucked over the show especially because it has so many call-back/call-forward type gags that make the show better if you watch each episode in sequence which was very uncommon then).**♥ 3source record 80 **As a joke gift I once got a friend season 4 on DVD. She said she didn't know it ran past 3 seasons and honestly neither did I.**♥ 16source record 81 **My mother-in-law (with early onset dementia) only watches this on a Samsung channel that plays only this. That’s it. And now my girls have watched it with her and say they like it.**♥ 11source record 82 **I liked it, it was a fine watch in the background, hardly the worst**♥ 5source record 83 **According to Jim.**♥ 153source record 407 **According to Jim**♥ 13source record 498 **According to Jim?**♥ 4source record 500 **I watched for about five minutes before coming to my senses. Never looked back.**♥ 13source record 507 **And that's five seconds of your life that you can't get back.**♥ 6source record 515 **My mother watched an episode when I was around it was anti-comedy. I cannot fathom how he has the same origin as John**♥ 7source record 614 **I’ve never seen it but I met someone who was paid to be in the audience for it and she said they had to tell them when to laugh.**♥ 2source record 623 **According to Jim is pretty much every ABC sitcom at the time, very safe humor and very setting based. AtJ was pretty much a caricature of Midwestern life**♥ 2source record 624 **The supporting cast was pretty funny**♥ 2source record 625 **I remember growing up around the first few seasons of this show. We didt have cable we only had 3 channels so often if something half decent or ok we'd watch it. Also vaguely remember ever seeing that show. I didn't know why it was popular same with everybody loves Raymond, they had it in all the time. But as a I grew up I realized I wasn't a demographic that show was made for.**♥ 2source record 627 **I’ve never heard of or see anything relating to this show, does the thumbnail image feature a middle aged man looking either self assured or exasperated, crossing his arms with his “zany” family or destroyed home in the background?**♥ 5source record 634 **And that was the worst belushi**♥ 3source record 638 **I somehow have no memory of this show ever existing. Which is weird because I’m sure I watched other shows on ABC at the time, but somehow I seem to have missed this one. Doesn’t seem like I missed much.**♥ 1source record 645 **Jim Belushi is Tim Allen playing a melting ice cream cone**♥ 1source record 648 **Sooooooo baddd!!**♥ 1source record 649 **How did I KNOW this would be first?! I only saw a little bit because it was on before Simpsons reruns, and wooooo boy, was it BAD.**♥ 1source record 650 **There were only two reasons to watch that show, and they kept it cold on set to ensure that you couldn't miss them.**♥ 1source record 652 **Jim is a pretty good guy and the vasectomy bit lives rent free in my mind**♥ 1source record 655 **A2J is my favorite TV show. I use to watch it every Tuesday with my best friend in college. That was our show! I met Jim Belushi at a cubs game earlier this year, who was super friendly, and told me some stories behind the scenes.**♥ 1source record 660 **The mom in that was a babe though.**♥ 1source record 662 **I wonder if your girls like it because its of sentimental value more than anything else; they associate it with their grandmother.**♥ 1source record 668 **I don't think anyone in real life has ever mentioned that show to me. I can't make the math work about who was actually watching it.**♥ 1source record 669 **It must be because it was paired up with Yes Dear when ABC Family was a thing but I have a soft spot for that show.**♥ 1source record 687 **Man Catherine Thorne-Smith was my favorite tv mom.**♥ 3source record 1303 **this should be higher than King of Queens and Everyone Loves Raymond**♥ 3source record 1351 **According to Jim.**♥ 5source record 1947 **According to Jim. Wrong kid died.**♥ -17source record 2039 **I watched for about five minutes before coming to my senses. Never looked back.**♥ 0source record 2407 **So many mediocre to bad ones (many 1990s to 2000s laugh-track comedies) like According To Jim, King of Queens (starring Leah Remini's aces rack and that's all). Scrubs and Two and a Half Men had a few decent episodes early on then just became tiresome fast and would not die.**♥ -2source record 2782 Archive: 39 index entries preserve 39 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did next59 index entriesTwo arguments in one: whether the original holds up, and whether the shows that followed it are the same show again. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did next Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did next 59 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 93 **Claim context:** Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did next **Why it matters:** Two arguments run at once. The first is whether the original holds up: commenters describe a running joke built on grunting and power tools, sexual harassment written as banter, and a lead who is taught the same lesson every week and never keeps it. The second is about the shows that followed, which several records say are the same programme rebuilt around a character who is now always right; one commenter describes every episode of the later show ending by reversing itself in the last three minutes. **What readers reported:** They’re not even really rewritten Home Improvement, Tim Taylor was a clumsy, flawed dude who could admit when he was wrong and often took advice from Wilson. His new sitcoms are basically “I’m a good republican man who’s always right and I’m just surrounded by stupidity and \*femininity!\*” **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The defence is that the original was closer to an anti-trope than a trope: the loud man is wrong in almost every episode, the quieter colleague is the competent one, and several commenters say the format was progressive by the standards of the early nineties. Others simply refuse to hear a word against it. What the replies added2 They’re not even really rewritten Home Improvement, Tim Taylor was a clumsy, flawed dude who could admit when he was wrong and often took advice from Wilson. His new sitcoms are basically “I’m a good republican man who’s always right and I’m just surrounded by stupidity and \*femininity!\*” From the replies♥ 1,872 That's unfortunately how most "family" sitcoms were, even Home Improvement. I'm nostalgic for that show and always viewed it in the same light as King of the Hill, but trying to go back to rewatch it a few months ago shattered that illusion. Sure, Tim was a clumsy goof and took advice from Wilson, but "clumsy goofy dad" was the sitcom dad trope at the time (hence Homer, who was a parody of said trope), but it doesn't change that at the core the show was full of mysogney, subtle homophobia, and "real men" talking points like how all men are supposed to be into tools, cars, and sports. It's worth noting that while he did take advice from Wilson, that advice almost never stuck past the individual episode (as Tim would have to learn the same lessons repeatedly, and often missing a core underlying lesson like "respect your wife as your equal & stop acting like Mark not like sports or cars is a bad thing," but he also \*ONLY\* takes advice from other tradionally masculine men (including Wilson who, while being more emotionally intelligent, is still comes off as a self-confident, worldly man who can survive any hardship hrough his cunny & ingenuity). Whenever women or less masculine men try to tell him anything, he rebuffs them as not knowing what they're talking about until Wilson affirms the other person... But even then it doesn't always stick from episode to episode (and God forbid across seasons). From the replies♥ 291 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint That's unfortunately how most "family" sitcoms were, even Home Improvement. I'm nostalgic for that show and always viewed it in the same light as King of the Hill, but trying to go back to rewatch it a few months ago shattered that illusion. Sure, Tim was a clumsy goof and took advice from Wilson, but "clumsy goofy dad" was the sitcom dad trope at the time (hence Homer, who was a parody of said trope), but it doesn't change that at the core the show was full of mysogney, subtle homophobia, and "real men" talking points like how all men are supposed to be into tools, cars, and sports. It's worth noting that while he did take advice from Wilson, that advice almost never stuck past the individual episode (as Tim would have to learn the same lessons repeatedly, and often missing a core underlying lesson like "respect your wife as your equal & stop acting like Mark not like sports or cars is a bad thing," but he also \*ONLY\* takes advice from other tradionally masculine men (including Wilson who, while being more emotionally intelligent, is still comes off as a self-confident, worldly man who can survive any hardship hrough his cunny & ingenuity). Whenever women or less masculine men try to tell him anything, he rebuffs them as not knowing what they're talking about until Wilson affirms the other person... But even then it doesn't always stick from episode to episode (and God forbid across seasons). source record 97♥ 291 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Anything Tim Allen did after Home Improvement, which are all basically rewritten Home Improvements. source record 92♥ 2,776 Later-arriving source Everything Tim Allen has been in. posted about 15.6 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Last Man Standing was a great show posted about 8.0 hours after the source♥ -4 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [SeinfeldTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld)[The Big Bang TheoryTurn it into a game · 11 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-0-the-big-bang-theory)[Frasier, Cheers and the rebootTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot) #### What the counts show Across 59 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (4 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 59index entries 59distinct source records 18%of parent category 3%of the complete index 13top-level comments 46replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 2asks a question 0says they intend to try it 55other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Turn it into a game **4**Attach it to an existing routine **2**Swap instead of subtract **2** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments59 preserved records · 59 of 59 source records accounted for **Anything Tim Allen did after Home Improvement, which are all basically rewritten Home Improvements.**♥ 2,776source record 92 **They’re not even really rewritten Home Improvement, Tim Taylor was a clumsy, flawed dude who could admit when he was wrong and often took advice from Wilson. His new sitcoms are basically “I’m a good republican man who’s always right and I’m just surrounded by stupidity and \*femininity!\*”**♥ 1,872source record 93 **I always liked when he tried to recount Wilson’s advice and absolutely butchered it. Classic silly 90s sitcom stuff. I watch that show every fall. None of his new stuff seems to have that same charm.**♥ 230source record 94 **I saw an episode of his newest or current show (no idea which), but his character is just bitter and whiny old man. It's jus Tim Allen being himself "wahhhh feminism and gays!" And he blames liberals for poor shoe ratings.**♥ 25source record 95 **He gets a home office. She gets a small desk under the stairs.**♥ 242source record 96 **That's unfortunately how most "family" sitcoms were, even Home Improvement. I'm nostalgic for that show and always viewed it in the same light as King of the Hill, but trying to go back to rewatch it a few months ago shattered that illusion. Sure, Tim was a clumsy goof and took advice from Wilson, but "clumsy goofy dad" was the sitcom dad trope at the time (hence Homer, who was a parody of said trope), but it doesn't change that at the core the show was full of mysogney, subtle homophobia, and "real men" talking points like how all men are supposed to be into tools, cars, and sports. It's worth noting that while he did take advice from Wilson, that advice almost never stuck past the individual episode (as Tim would have to learn the same lessons repeatedly, and often missing a core underlying lesson like "respect your wife as your equal & stop acting like Mark not like sports or cars is a bad thing," but he also \*ONLY\* takes advice from other tradionally masculine men (including Wilson who, while being more emotionally intelligent, is still comes off as a self-confident, worldly man who can survive any hardship hrough his cunny & ingenuity). Whenever women or less masculine men try to tell him anything, he rebuffs them as not knowing what they're talking about until Wilson affirms the other person... But even then it doesn't always stick from episode to episode (and God forbid across seasons).**♥ 291source record 97 **I kind of think of Home Improvement as a subtle nod to the anti-trope, though. Tim was a "manly man" who always messed shit up and only kinda got things right when he did listen to Wilson, Al, Jill, etc. Sure, he shits on Al at every opportunity but Al also ends up having a successful love life (iirc) AND is the only one on Tool Time who knows what he's doing and does so, safely. Tim Allen being so charasmatic and funny is the only reason he's not the villain of the show. Even back then, the fact that they showed Tim as a caring buffoon who is basically a caveman who is always learning how to be less of a mysoginistic dipshit was pretty progressive.**♥ 132source record 100 **This is the take that I got as well from a recent re-watch. I can see the point that others are making about the underlying themes of masculinity and misogyny, but as far as Tim Allen shows go, this one can actually be viewed as being somewhat progressive in the sense that the "big strong man" is always wrong, and his views as such are constantly challenged. The fact that he "learns a lesson" in empathy, sympathy, ect. every week is a step in a positive direction, especially for that time in the 90s. Never mind that he happens to never remember these lessons from episode to episode... His buffoonery is what kept people tuning in for all those years.**♥ 52source record 101 **Tim knows what he's doing when he's not trying to show off. The laundry soap dispensers from season 1 lasted the series, his hot rod was a successful project.**♥ 11source record 102 **That is true, but I would argue that having only the main male character be an idiot isn’t a wildly progressive idea either. My wife doesn’t like King of the Hill because Peggy is so stupid/overconfident, even though there are about 7 male characters that are worse.**♥ 45source record 105 **No one ever learned on shows back then. Episodes were meant to be as evergreen as possible because reruns and syndication were so huge. And it wasn't just sitcoms. Shows like Star Trek Voyager are criticized for the "Brand New Voyager" trope where, despite the ship being almost destroyed several times, it was sparkling new by the next episode.**♥ 28source record 110 **people dont learn on sitcoms that are episodic, that's how they can go on forever. its like you literally don't understand the medium**♥ 8source record 111 **I've only watched a handful of episodes, but every single episode of Last Man Standing I've seen has essentially been the exact same: Tim mocks the liberals around him for being stupid and out-of-touch, Tim gets put in a situation where his sexism and/or racism get him in trouble, the liberals he mocked are shown to very clearly be correct but Tim's character completely fails to realize this, Tim winds up having to walk back his original position and allow that women and/or minorities aren't as bad as he originally thought, and that proves that Tim was right all along. That last part is where everything always falls apart. You can build a passable comedy out of the rest, with an insufferable character who always thinks he correct even though he's proven wrong in every episode, but every episode of Last Man Standing I've seen has this awkward car crash of an ending where they try to make Tim's character the hero even though it completely conflicts with the rest of the episode that makes it clear he's the villain. It's like 90% of the episode uses standard TV trope plot points about a character learning a lesson, but it was made by a conservative group that wanted to use the show to prove conservatism correct who were too lazy to rewrite anything but the last 3 minutes of each episode to make their point.**♥ 25source record 112 **The most correct answer has to be Last Man Standing. It ran 9 seasons, was canceled after season 6 and was revived by FOX, a main character (daughter #1) was fired and recast after season 1, another main character (daughter #2) was fired and recast after season 6, and another main character (daughter #3) left after season 6\. The show basically ran a skeleton crew and died slowly and painfully for another 3 seasons. Tim Allen must have some insane leverage in the sitcom world.**♥ 29source record 463 **i mean... daughter 1 being replaced was for the best**♥ 5source record 464 **Anything starring kevin james or tim allen.**♥ 16source record 499 **I feel like the fact that the two times he didn't mess things up the first time over 8 seasons and 204 episodes are memorable enough to mention by name is a good indicator that those were exceptional circumstances.**♥ 7source record 616 **Those are the two I can remember from a show that I haven't seen in over a year and haven't watched in earnest in multiple years.**♥ 3source record 617 **They literally gave Tim an award for his show for showing how \*not\* to do things. They fully self-acknowledged that he was an idiot.**♥ 1source record 619 **There is sooo much sexual harassment in the show too. It’s still really funny but damn it’s crazy the way they talked to and about women sometimes. I watched as a kid in the 90s but going back to watch as an adult you notice all these things you didn’t back then.**♥ 2source record 628 **Yeah. And that's so many sitcoms from before the mid 2000s.**♥ 1source record 629 **TV shows deliberately didn’t have (much) continuity then. Before DVR and on-demand video, sitcoms often reset all character development every episode. The idea was you could miss 6 episodes and return to the show and you didn’t feel like you missed anything. Police shows had a criminal of the week. Spooky shows had a monster of the week. Comedies had “Dad/Boyfriend does a new stupid thing this week.” You also can’t apply 21st century sensibilities to a show from 1991 whose primary audience was people like my dad (born in 1950). Especially a show that depicted working class, blue collar men in Detroit, home of America’s auto industry. And the show did counter Tim’s basic clown stuff with characters like Al and Wilson, men who were the complete opposite and almost always depicted as being the ones in the right. Tim taking Wilson seriously but not others was also realistic for his character.**♥ 2source record 630 **As a man who grew up watching this show and having a father who was a master carpenter, I could see that he was just a buffoon who was a little rough around the edges (Like Dan Conner from Roseanne) but ultimately a good hearted man. Like you guys have said already, you can tell that that's the angle. And also, even though I'm not into the kind of "manly" stuff his character was into, I still really appreciate the process of carpentry and building cars and loved that aspect of his character.**♥ 2source record 633 **\>Tim knows what he's doing when he's not trying to show off. I think this goes under the radar. Tim Taylor is actually a capable handyman. He just struggles from a typical male trait of trying to overcompensate and make things bigger than what they need to be. He can make simple repairs or simple creations, but he applies 'More Power™' and it blows up in his face. This is explained and elaborated on during the Season 1 epsiode where they remodel the bathroom. Where Wilson advises that while men can create so many things, they can't give birth and thus create life that way. So, its natural for a man wanting to make something just as special.**♥ 3source record 639 **I loved that show, but exclusively for every character except Mike Baxter(and later Jay Leno). Loved Vanessa, Kristen and Eve were okay, but i stan Mandy, as well as Kyle. Ed was my favorite, amd even though he was often the butt of stereotypical jokes, I enjoyed Chuck as he'd never let Mike get one over him.**♥ 1source record 672 **The first season wasn’t that bad. By the time the second season came around he started getting a lot more political. To the point they had to recast the oldest sister because the actress wasn’t going to put up with it.**♥ 1source record 673 **I found it weird how in Home Improvement he had his own show but there were times the family was struggling money wise. Bob Vila is literally worth millions.**♥ 1source record 674 **One can understand that DC won't let the Joker die forever because they want to preserve a status quo and still call out that it's bad storytelling that asks the audience to handwaved the characters being illogical or having selective amnesia just so they can regurgitate the same plot every season. Does Uwe Bowl's movies get a pass because he's intentionally making bad movies for tax fraud reasons, or are they still bad?**♥ 1source record 688 **Artistic intent doesn't change whether storytelling methods or writing are bad or not. Just because you say that the goal was to have a show that could last forever by virtue of having no growth, it doesn't make that a viable goal nor make it good writing to be inconsistent with character development or repeat the same storylines ad nauseum. The core philosophy of episodic sitcoms is flawed and there's a reason why most either burned out or failed to take off in the first place and why the audience for them practically evaporated in favor of serialized sitcoms where the characters could actually grow.**♥ 1source record 690 **Honestly rewatching home improvement is barely tolerable now. He's always sucked.**♥ 6source record 709 **Home Improvement had 8 seasons. Last Man Standing had 9 seasons.**♥ 5source record 728 **I have to argue that HOME IMPROVEMENT might be the better answer**♥ 2source record 743 **I'd include Home Improvement. It wasn't awful, but it wasn't good enough to be one of the biggest shows on TV for the better part of a decade.**♥ 10source record 751 **I think it’s popularity was due to its wide appeal. You had the parent drama, the attractive female TV show member, a stronger female lead than was typical for shows of the time (from what I remember), a wisdom dispensing neighbor, the shenanigans of the children, and the JTT preteen heartthrob angle. Plus it was during the era forced shared experience of being the only thing on in that slot.**♥ 29source record 752 **i made the mistake of making a drinking game while watching home improvement, the rules: - take a drink every time Tim did a grunt (title sequence excluded) that was it. i lost a whole Saturday afternoon and all i remember was the pilot, according to my husband i made it most of the way through the first season before he begged me to stop killing my liver**♥ 1source record 761 **My MIL loves Last Man Standing, so I’ve seen a lot of it over the years cause she watches it on near repeat. I’ve never seen a joke in the show. I’m not saying I haven’t seen a funny joke. I’m saying I haven’t seen anything that even closely resembles a joke. It’s like your boomer uncle at Christmas saying to your artsy cousin, “pink hair, huh?” That’s it. That’s the show.**♥ 3source record 762 **Anything Tim Allen \~\~did after Home Improvement…\~\~ Much more accurate. The endlessly hilarious Neanderthal noise says it all. My small-minded, witless stepfather loves imitating it (it’s probably been Winter Soldier-ing me for years — I shudder to think of how many lives I may have taken). He’s a useless imbecile dipshit, just like the man he emulates.**♥ 2source record 763 **He admitted this when one of the new shows was coming out. He said they had a winning formula, but this time they were going to have girls instead of boys his role was less of a goofball .**♥ 1source record 767 **I didn't even KNOW he'd done any series after Home Improvement. Guess I'm not missing much.**♥ 1source record 770 **God, Home Improvement. I don't know how anyone watched that without smashing their television.**♥ 1source record 1390 **I joke that he must own the Laff channel because they play his shit all day long.**♥ 3source record 1403 **That and According to Jim. I have no idea how or why they love playing According to Jim nearly all day every day I guess I’m not alone if According to Jim was the first comment I saw**♥ 1source record 1404 **Everything Tim Allen has been in.**♥ 1source record 1539 **Home Improvement**♥ 16source record 1585 **Large agree. A grown man making monkey sounds somehow carried maybe 3/10 comedy. Unwatchable as an adult.**♥ 10source record 1586 **Anything with Tim Allen**♥ 12source record 1668 **Home Improvement. It was the same freaking show episode after episode**♥ 2source record 1805 **My parents can't get enough of last man standing**♥ 2source record 1830 **If anyone says Home Improvement, we're gonna have to fight. Everything he as dones since, fine, but not Home Improvement**♥ 5source record 1959 **Anything with Tim Allen**♥ 0source record 2100 **home improvements so dated and grr man stereotype!**♥ 1source record 2187 **Anything with Tim Allen.**♥ 1source record 2353 **They're not even that good**♥ 1source record 2437 **Home improvement was junk**♥ 1source record 2439 **It really is not great. The kids are completely unlikable. The Halloween episodes are fun though.**♥ 1source record 2442 **I am sorry but last man standing is good**♥ -2source record 2475 **Last Man Standing was a great show**♥ -4source record 2498 **I’d lump Tim The Toolman into this group as well. Painful to watch.**♥ 0source record 2529 **I will hear absolutely no Home Improvement slander**♥ 0source record 2724 Archive: 59 index entries preserve 59 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Mike & Molly28 index entriesThe records here are about one joke, and about the actor commenters say deserved better material. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Mike & Molly Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Mike & Molly 28 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 50 **Claim context:** Mike & Molly **Why it matters:** The complaint is one joke, described in almost identical terms by record after record: the leads' weight, restated as the punchline for several seasons. What separates this node from the rest of the thread is that the anger is pointed past the show, at the material the lead actor was given rather than at her. Several commenters say she is the only reason they watched at all, and one asks whether any sitcom before it let a fat character be a person rather than a gag. **What readers reported:** Mike and Molly. Couldn’t stand that show. Watched a few episodes when it was the only thing on and the jokes were pretty much just “oh no, I’m fat. How will I manage to get through this situation intended for skinny people.” They did this for like 6 or 7 seasons! **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Two counterweights sit inside this group. Some records report the show widening out after a while and running fewer weight jokes; and one argues that the actor chose that style of physical comedy herself, naming the comedians she has said inspired it, and that treating her as a victim of it removes her agency. What the replies added1 If Mike and Molly premiered at any point between 2020-2024 it would be on that Wikipedia article about TV shows cancelled after 1 episode. I’m not sure how Last Man Standing lasted that long AND 2 channels decided to pick it up. The sitcoms about wise middle aged guys who hate their wives also got too popular. Also the only contribution 2 broke girls had to society is that young me got to look at Kat Dennings when my mom watched it. Reported failure♥ 2 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Mike and Molly. Couldn’t stand that show. Watched a few episodes when it was the only thing on and the jokes were pretty much just “oh no, I’m fat. How will I manage to get through this situation intended for skinny people.” They did this for like 6 or 7 seasons! source record 50♥ 2,391 Later-arriving source imagine if they gave melissa mccarthy that kind of platform with actual character work instead of 'fat person falls down' choreography. the fact that she built a whole career despite those roles says everything about her talent and nothing about hollywood knowing what to do with it posted about 15.1 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source Hey now, she can fall, and she can also make food jokes. She’s multi talented. posted about 12.9 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “fat lady go boom” recurs across 3 of the 28 source records in Mike & Molly; the complete archive stays available below. 28index entries 28distinct source records 8.6%of parent category 1.4%of the complete index 3top-level comments 25replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 7asks a question 0says they intend to try it 21other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments28 preserved records · 28 of 28 source records accounted for **Mike and Molly. Couldn’t stand that show. Watched a few episodes when it was the only thing on and the jokes were pretty much just “oh no, I’m fat. How will I manage to get through this situation intended for skinny people.” They did this for like 6 or 7 seasons!**♥ 2,391source record 50 **The jokes pretty much boil down to: "Hey Mike, do you know you're fucking fat?" "Yeah I know I'm fucking fat!" "Well you're fucking fat." "I know I'm fucking fat!"**♥ 835source record 51 **Melissa McCarthy is so talented, and I just hate so much of what she's in. I actively remember watching her first SNL appearance (after bridesmaids I think?) and being horrified at the number of "fat lady go boom" sketches.**♥ 259source record 56 **Melissa McCarthy says her two biggest comedy inspirations are John Candy (see every loveable rambling character she's ever done) and Chris Farley, so her doing a bunch of physical comedy bits that are "fat lady go boom" wasn't too surprising for SNL.**♥ 87source record 61 **Which is crazy too because the other sketches she’s in are usually great. Can’t blame her for taking a network gig for a while though. That’s a steady cash flow. And maybe she prefers the pace of TV. She was great on Gilmore Girls so I’m sure she has a ton of positive memories from that**♥ 21source record 62 **She was the only part of the show that made me hang on for a couple of episodes. The guy was kinda bloodless, and I barely remember any of the supporting cast. Just a weak show with one good actress.**♥ 9source record 63 **The best part of the show was the mom's dog Jim.**♥ 26source record 64 **the thing with Mike and Molly, when it first started I wanted to like the show so badly. about 5 episodes in I couldn't watch anymore.**♥ 35source record 65 **My ex loved that shit I couldn't stand it. Every single joke was just "lol fat"**♥ 15source record 66 **When Bridesmaids came out, I couldn’t stand Melissa McCarthy because literally that was every single character she played. Then I watched Gilmore Girls and I was like oh, she’s actually really endearing and had great comedic timing. Why doesn’t she get more roles like this?**♥ 10source record 67 **Loved Mike & Molly. Hated King of Queens.**♥ 6source record 68 **It’s so bad. I didn’t watch it until it was in syndication, and I was already a fan of Melissa McCarthy by then. It’s a good thing, because if that was the first thing I had seen her in, I never would have watched anything else she was in.**♥ 10source record 517 **I still can’t believe the Emmys passed up Poehler, Plimpton, Fey, Falco \*and\* Linney (who went into the 2011 ceremony 3-0 for previous projects) in favor or McCarthy for…that, \*Bridesmaids\* bump or no \*Bridesmaids\* bump. Poehler’s gag of having all six women go up on stage and line up like it was a beauty pageant (hilarious, as always) only further underscored the absurdity of anyone (even someone of McCarthy’s caliber) on a show like that prevailing over five far worthier performances — two of which (Poehler and Plimpton) never got a win.**♥ 11source record 518 **Yeah, the people criticizing "fat lady go boom" act like McCarthy has no agency. Those are her ideas, it's what she wants to do. Also, no one has a problem with Chris Farley being "fat man in a little coat" but when it's a woman doing it all of sudden the woman is a victim???**♥ 8source record 531 **I think this was mostly due to Melissa McCarthy. I have to be honest I didn’t really know who she was until after bridesmaids but apparently she’s been in a lot of stuff and sitcom money is easy money. Similar to if there was a show about Zach Galifianakis people would turn in and droves.**♥ 2source record 539 **Oh. I liked it. Esp Carl and his nana.**♥ 2source record 541 **After a while they did have other topics, and there were way fewer fat jokes.**♥ 3source record 558 **Yes they started alternating fat jokes with the old people have lots of sex jokes.**♥ 4source record 559 **I wonder if you could say the same thing about Mike and Molly though? Were there sitcoms that didn't have fat people used as a joke prior to that? I really don't know the answer to that question. It's also possible that Mike and Molly didn't allow the characters to be real to the extent that Will and Grace did? I don't know the answer to that one either.**♥ 3source record 560 **Homer Simpson, Peter Griffen, Jay Sherman were the butt of fat jokes decades before Mike and Molly.**♥ 5source record 561 **True, but so were gay people prior to Will & Grace. My question was were there ever sitcoms that humanized fat people the way that Will and Grace humanized gay people?**♥ 3source record 562 **But the other characters, the mothers especially, were so over-the-top outrageous (for a sit-com). The things that came out of their mouths!**♥ 2source record 576 **Talented cast, terrible show.**♥ 3source record 580 **Bizarre cause the two leads are really funny and talented. Writers were awful.**♥ 2source record 581 **But I liked it lol**♥ 1source record 582 **Hey now, she can fall, and she can also make food jokes. She’s multi talented.**♥ 1source record 596 **If Mike and Molly premiered at any point between 2020-2024 it would be on that Wikipedia article about TV shows cancelled after 1 episode. I’m not sure how Last Man Standing lasted that long AND 2 channels decided to pick it up. The sitcoms about wise middle aged guys who hate their wives also got too popular. Also the only contribution 2 broke girls had to society is that young me got to look at Kat Dennings when my mom watched it.**♥ 2source record 1694 **imagine if they gave melissa mccarthy that kind of platform with actual character work instead of 'fat person falls down' choreography. the fact that she built a whole career despite those roles says everything about her talent and nothing about hollywood knowing what to do with it**♥ 1source record 2098 Archive: 28 index entries preserve 28 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Married with Children16 index entriesRepeatedly pulled out of the pile by commenters who say it was mocking the format, not obeying it. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Married with Children Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Married with Children 16 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2266 **Claim context:** Married with Children **Why it matters:** The show is pulled into the thread by the trope answer and then pulled straight back out again. The criticism is that it is mean beyond the point of being funny and that the parents in it are written as negligent. The defence is more common in these records: commenters argue the hostility is open rather than veiled, that the show was satirising the format the thread is complaining about, and that the two leads were treated as a match rather than a mismatch. **What readers reported:** Married With Children just seems too mean spirited to be funny. Peg is a lazy witch, and Al feels like a closeted gay guy, and that’s why he acts like a misogynist. Also, talk about neglectful parents. Pretty sure Al and Peg are worse parents than Homer and Marge. I get that suffering is part of comedy, but the audience shouldn’t be the ones who suffer. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Several commenters here object to the show being listed at all, and the group contains an unresolved argument about whether a parody of a format still counts as an example of it. What the replies added2 He didn't score 4 touchdowns against Andrew Johnson High School to win the city championship for Polk, just to be insulted on Reddit! From the replies♥ 102 Married with Children definitely made my joke 30 years ago. From the replies♥ 82 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Leave Al Bundy out of this. source record 37♥ 241 Later-arriving source I remember liking Married With Children in part because it seemed to satirise that trope, while also taking part in it themselves. To this day i don’t know why Al Bundy didn’t want to bang his wife, played by Katey Segal in her prime! posted about 15.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Married with Children. No Ma’am posted about 6.3 hours after the source♥ -2 #### What the counts show Within 16 source records, 2 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 16index entries 16distinct source records 4.9%of parent category 0.8%of the complete index 7top-level comments 9replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 2asks a question 0says they intend to try it 14other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments16 preserved records · 16 of 16 source records accounted for **Leave Al Bundy out of this.**♥ 241source record 37 **Married with Children definitely made my joke 30 years ago.**♥ 82source record 39 **I think this show worked because, despite him having a hot wife, he wasnt the crazy one. They gave him a wife and kids that treated him like shit and drove him mad. That, on top of that fact that he was reasonably decent looking, made it seem less far fetched that she'd be willing to marry him.**♥ 29source record 40 **Those two were more even appearance-wise.**♥ 14source record 41 **I loved Married With Children though.**♥ 3source record 520 **Yeah but it's satire of the trope. Peg & Al are openly hostile, not the veiled backstabby "why are they even together??" frustration of the shows it mocks.**♥ 2source record 521 **Married with Children?**♥ 2source record 538 **To this day I do not understand why: 1) she wanted him 2) he did NOT want her 3) why this was supposed to be funny**♥ 7source record 615 **Married with children**♥ 1source record 2085 **Married with Children**♥ 0source record 2224 **Married With Children just seems too mean spirited to be funny. Peg is a lazy witch, and Al feels like a closeted gay guy, and that’s why he acts like a misogynist. Also, talk about neglectful parents. Pretty sure Al and Peg are worse parents than Homer and Marge. I get that suffering is part of comedy, but the audience shouldn’t be the ones who suffer.**♥ 1source record 2266 **Married With Children**♥ 1source record 2291 **I remember liking Married With Children in part because it seemed to satirise that trope, while also taking part in it themselves. To this day i don’t know why Al Bundy didn’t want to bang his wife, played by Katey Segal in her prime!**♥ 1source record 2512 **Married with children I just don’t get it**♥ -1source record 2783 **Married with Children. No Ma’am**♥ -2source record 2793 **I know this will cause a ruckus, but “Married…With Children” was just awful.**♥ -1source record 2798 Archive: 16 index entries preserve 16 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs George Lopez6 index entriesA small set of records, split between people who could not stand the delivery and one who liked the rest of the cast. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: George Lopez Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### George Lopez 6 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2244 **Claim context:** George Lopez **Why it matters:** A short set of records with a consistent complaint: the delivery. Commenters describe punchlines shouted or performed rather than written, and one says trying to rewatch it as an adult failed on the lead's timing alone. **What readers reported:** george lopez show. he’s not funny. it’s not humorous to just say punchlines in spanish dramatically. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The same commenter who could not get past the lead says the rest of the cast is funny a few seasons in, naming the in-laws, the friends and the children as the parts they liked. What the replies added1 I dont remember why i used to love that show, but I tried to watch it last year and I couldn't get past George's delivery. I think most of the cast is pretty funny a few seasons in. I like the in-laws and the friends and the kids more than George's character. From the replies♥ 3 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source See, the problem with the George Lopez show is that it perpetuates the stereotype that George Lopez is funny. source record 534♥ 6 Later-arriving source Same with George Lopez. “It’s a self-fulfilling prophylactic!” posted about 13.8 hours after the source♥ 2 Zero-like source Oh my GOD I hated this show (but I'd still hate watch). I can't stand that dude posted about 10.4 hours after the source #### What the counts show This report keeps all 6 source records for George Lopez together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 6index entries 6distinct source records 1.8%of parent category 0.3%of the complete index 2top-level comments 4replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 6other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments6 preserved records · 6 of 6 source records accounted for **See, the problem with the George Lopez show is that it perpetuates the stereotype that George Lopez is funny.**♥ 6source record 534 **Same with George Lopez. “It’s a self-fulfilling prophylactic!”**♥ 2source record 641 **George Lopez**♥ 4source record 2145 **george lopez show. he’s not funny. it’s not humorous to just say punchlines in spanish dramatically.**♥ 4source record 2244 **Oh my GOD I hated this show (but I'd still hate watch). I can't stand that dude**♥ 0source record 2408 **I dont remember why i used to love that show, but I tried to watch it last year and I couldn't get past George's delivery. I think most of the cast is pretty funny a few seasons in. I like the in-laws and the friends and the kids more than George's character.**♥ 3source record 2409 Archive: 6 index entries preserve 6 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim9 index entriesThe running gag where commenters stack the titles into one sentence because the shows had stopped being distinguishable. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim 9 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 43 **Claim context:** Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim **Why it matters:** A running joke rather than an answer, and one of the most-liked exchanges in the thread: commenters stack the titles of the husband-and-wife sitcoms into a single sentence, adding one show each time, on the argument that they had stopped being distinguishable from each other. Home Improvement, Still Standing, Married with Children and George Lopez all get folded in. **What readers reported:** Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The joke is interrupted twice by commenters who genuinely liked one of the shows being folded into it, including one who calls Still Standing the best of them and notes it is not on any streaming service. What the replies added2 Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim. From the replies♥ 432 According to Jim, Everybody Loves the King of Queens being Married with Children. From the replies♥ 60 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Ah yes, Everybody Loves the King of Queens source record 42♥ 523 Later-arriving source Ok, but I really did like Still Standing posted about 15.3 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source This, in my opinion, was the absolute best of them all. And it sucks cause it’s never on a streaming service. I wonder why? posted about 15.0 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “being married with children” recurs across 2 of the 9 source records in Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim; the complete archive stays available below. 9index entries 9distinct source records 2.8%of parent category 0.5%of the complete index 0top-level comments 9replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 2asks a question 0says they intend to try it 7other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments9 preserved records · 9 of 9 source records accounted for **Ah yes, Everybody Loves the King of Queens**♥ 523source record 42 **Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim.**♥ 432source record 43 **According to Jim, Everybody Loves the King of Queens being Married with Children.**♥ 60source record 44 **Don’t forget George Lopez**♥ 83source record 45 **Still Standing?**♥ 2source record 549 **You have to work "Home Improvement" in there! 😂**♥ 3source record 567 **According to Jim, everybody Loves the King Of Queens because despite being Married with Children his house is Still Standing because he still has time for Home Improvement**♥ 9source record 568 **Ok, but I really did like Still Standing**♥ 1source record 587 **This, in my opinion, was the absolute best of them all. And it sucks cause it’s never on a streaming service. I wonder why?**♥ 1source record 681 Archive: 9 index entries preserve 9 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Honeymooners and the trope's ancestors7 index entriesWhere the replies traced the format back to, and the people who objected to it being traced there. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Honeymooners and the trope's ancestors Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Honeymooners and the trope's ancestors 7 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 525 **Claim context:** The Honeymooners and the trope's ancestors **Why it matters:** Where the replies traced the format back to. Commenters name The Honeymooners as the origin of the loud husband and the exasperated wife, and then follow the line forward into animation — the Flintstones and the Jetsons are both raised, one of them as a case where the shape was inherited and one where it was subverted. **What readers reported:** The Honeymooners. Most animated shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy etc. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Two records refuse the premise outright and say the older show is excellent, which is the only defence offered in this group. What the replies added1 George Jetson subverted the trope by being lean instead of chunky! From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source We should probably start with The Honeymooners. source record 46♥ 17 Later-arriving source Don’t talk bad about The Honeymooners posted about 14.5 hours after the source♥ 2 Low-like source George Jetson subverted the trope by being lean instead of chunky! posted about 10.2 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show Within 7 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 7index entries 7distinct source records 2.1%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 0top-level comments 7replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 6other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments7 preserved records · 7 of 7 source records accounted for **We should probably start with The Honeymooners.**♥ 17source record 46 **The Honeymooners. Most animated shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy etc.**♥ 3source record 525 **Meet the Flintstones.**♥ 3source record 526 **I personally think The Honeymooners is awesome.**♥ 2source record 540 **Flintstones?**♥ 2source record 542 **Don’t talk bad about The Honeymooners**♥ 2source record 543 **George Jetson subverted the trope by being lean instead of chunky!**♥ 1source record 679 Archive: 7 index entries preserve 7 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back11 index entriesThe counter-example commenters kept raising, and what they said it shows about the shows it is answering. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back 11 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1 **Claim context:** Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back **Why it matters:** Not a complaint but the thread's own counter-argument, raised independently in three separate threads. Commenters describe a show that films the husband's scenes as a brightly lit multi-camera sitcom and everything after them as a drama, and they use it to explain what they think is wrong with the shows the thread is attacking: that the wife in that format is living with someone the audience is asked to find loveable. Several call it cathartic for exactly that reason. **What readers reported:** Kevin Can Fuck Himself is a good hate-letter to this trope. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One record makes the case against its own example: a show built to subvert an obnoxious format still has to show you a great deal of that format, and another commenter reports finding the sitcom halves tiring enough to stop watching. What the replies added2 Is that the show that switches between a sitcom style camera to a drama style when the main character isnt around? From the replies♥ 1,310 Goddamn that was a brilliant, amazingly well executed concept AND I like when shows get set in Seedy Massachusetts. From the replies♥ 153 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Kevin Can Fuck Himself is a good hate-letter to this trope. source record 1♥ 3,104 Later-arriving source Kevin can Fuck Himself. It's on Netflix, has only 2 seasons so is a relatively quick watch (and tells a complete story). The premise is essentially answering the question "What would life actually be like for the suffering wife married to a stereotypical idiot sitcom husband?" The cinematography is unique: half the show is a brightly lit, multicamera, laugh tracked sitcom style, where all the tropey hijinks happens. Then the fallout of the hijinks switches to a drama: it gets a darker/cooler pallete, the laugh track and extra camera angles disappear. It's a dark comedy, and explores stuff like abuse and manipulation. posted about 13.2 hours after the source♥ 9 Low-like source I never watched the second season of Kevin can go F\\\*+x himself, but appreciated what I did watch of it - it was never funny and I don’t think it was trying to be funny. I liked that it was set in Worcester MA, and that the lead actress was the spoiled rich daughter in Schitt’s Creek. posted about 9.4 hours after the source♥ 1 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Friends“the laugh track” · 8 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-0-friends)[The Big Bang Theory“the laugh track” · 14 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-0-the-big-bang-theory) #### What the counts show The exact phrase “the laugh track” recurs across 2 of the 11 source records in Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back; the complete archive stays available below. 11index entries 11distinct source records 3.4%of parent category 0.6%of the complete index 1top-level comments 10replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 3asks a question 0says they intend to try it 8other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments11 preserved records · 11 of 11 source records accounted for **Kevin Can Fuck Himself is a good hate-letter to this trope.**♥ 3,104source record 1 **Is that the show that switches between a sitcom style camera to a drama style when the main character isnt around?**♥ 1,310source record 2 **It’s worth a watch. As someone who has watched a lot of dumb 80s/90s sitcoms growing up I found it fascinating how they treated the schlubby selfish main character for what he would actually be in the real world: an insane, selfish piece of trash.**♥ 142source record 11 **That show is amazing! It felt very cathartic finally seeing the sitcom wife understand how one sided the marriage is and how awful her sitcom husband is. I wish more shows would play around with tropes and genres like this one did.**♥ 5source record 30 **Have you ever seen Kevin Can F Himself? It's basically that exact concept of it being a drama when the laugh track goes away. I really liked it!**♥ 438source record 336 **That show was brilliantly dark. It deserved more of a runway. Annie Murphy really blew me away with her range.**♥ 149source record 337 **I recommend Kevin Can F\*\*\* Himself which takes this trope and flips it.**♥ 480source record 410 **Kevin can Fuck Himself. It's on Netflix, has only 2 seasons so is a relatively quick watch (and tells a complete story). The premise is essentially answering the question "What would life actually be like for the suffering wife married to a stereotypical idiot sitcom husband?" The cinematography is unique: half the show is a brightly lit, multicamera, laugh tracked sitcom style, where all the tropey hijinks happens. Then the fallout of the hijinks switches to a drama: it gets a darker/cooler pallete, the laugh track and extra camera angles disappear. It's a dark comedy, and explores stuff like abuse and manipulation.**♥ 9source record 546 **The change between sitcom view and reality view is so jarring, but totally fits with what the show is about...**♥ 4source record 1293 **I never watched the second season of Kevin can go F\\\*+x himself, but appreciated what I did watch of it - it was never funny and I don’t think it was trying to be funny. I liked that it was set in Worcester MA, and that the lead actress was the spoiled rich daughter in Schitt’s Creek.**♥ 1source record 1845 **The problem with things that set out to subvert obnoxious tropes is that you have to spend a lot of time watching those obnoxious tropes still.**♥ 1source record 2518 Archive: 11 index entries preserve 11 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The CBS block, and the producer the thread kept blaming696 records · 9 sub-topicsThe largest category by a distance, and the one where the argument between detractors and defenders is loudest. 696 records. The Big Bang Theory423 index entriesThe biggest answer in the corpus and the biggest argument in it, with a phrase that gets restated dozens of times and a defence that keeps arriving with it. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Big Bang Theory Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Big Bang Theory 423 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 290 **Claim context:** The Big Bang Theory **Why it matters:** The largest answer in the corpus and the largest argument in it. One sentence is restated dozens of times, in and out of quotation marks — that it is what people who are not clever imagine clever people are like — and it arrives with a cluster of related complaints: that the reference is the joke, that the jokes are explained immediately after being made, and that the characters are laughed at rather than with. A substantial group of records objects specifically to the lead being written with what they read as autistic traits while the show declines to say so. Others report the opposite experience: scientists, engineers and autistic commenters who say they liked it, found it relatable, or were compared to it and did not mind. **What readers reported:** Bing bang theory. It's the dumb people's idea of what smart people are like. Without laughtracks it's just a string of unfunny cringe weird stuff **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The defence in this node is as loud as the attack and takes three forms: that the show is mediocre rather than uniquely bad, that disliking it has become a way of signalling cleverness, and that the laugh-track argument is wrong on the facts because it was recorded in front of an audience. Each of those is itself contested in the same replies. What replies pushed back on7 I thought the first few seasons were a reasonable look into what happened to those wunderkinds we heard about. Living comfortable lives with good disposable income. Doing dead end research at Universities and butting heads with administration. Struggling with real world relationships. All seemed like good answers. Then they decided that Sheldon was gold and should be in every scene. And when he's not on camera all the other characters should be asking "Where's Sheldon?" and it went to hell quick. Young Sheldon kind of goes the opposite of that interestingly. It starts off as Bazinga fest and then slowly drifts to fleshing out all the other characters. Better than people might assume. Pushback♥ 714 I love that show lol but I don’t disagree. I think it’s my affection for Kaley Cuoco. And I love the blooper reels and the fact they had a studio audience (unlike HIMYM) Pushback♥ 20 The 2 spinoffs are even worse. Pushback♥ 2 Disagree, strongly. Sheldon is obviously over the top, and some of it is cringe-worthy, but that's the point. If you've ever met postdoc researchers they're often some of the most unhinged nutjobs on the planet. You expect creepy, you expect enough social anxiety and mental health issues, and frankly, the show does just enough to show what some nerdy people like in a representable way. To be blunt, TBBT is a show that's easy to hate because hating it makes them feel smart. Pushback♥ 1 Two Broke Girls is worse, and Reddit seems fine with that. Perhaps because boobs. All of the responses here prove my point, though... Redditors hate TBBT. Which is fine. Taste is subjective. But acting like something is objectively bad because of subjective taste is pretty silly, and something that occurs more frequently on Reddit than any other social media platform. It's really highly focused hate on anything popular: TV (TBBT), video games (Call of Duty, EA's sports games), music (TSwift), movies (La La Land, most Nolan films), etc. Reported failure♥ 4 It's spawned at least 2 spin-offs, so is very much an ongoing threat. /s I don't get either the hate or the love for the show. It's a mediocre sitcom. I'm a world where 2 Broke Girls exists, calling Big Bang Theory the worst sitcom seems ridiculous. Reported failure♥ 2 People love to laud it as some "nerd's getting the limelight", but if you're not braindead, it's obvious all the jokes are at the expense of the nerds. There was a really good essay I read a while back that broke this down and made the argument that "Community" was the true "nerd king" sitcom made for nerds, by nerds. It's notable that sorting by Best and Controversial, I haven't seen "Community" mentioned yet. Reported failure♥ 1 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint To be fair, I do think that I am both lame and funny! But yeah, I guess that's maybe a wording thing on my part in my original comment, because what you said is basically what I mean. Like, I looked at the show and said "this is for me!" but then watched it and was like "this is not for me, this is \*about\* me!" source record 1621♥ 2 Explicit limit or counterpoint Personally I hate it because it's not funny in the slightest and at times extremely sexist. source record 1075♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Bing bang theory. It's the dumb people's idea of what smart people are like. Without laughtracks it's just a string of unfunny cringe weird stuff source record 290♥ 7,374 Later-arriving source Actually (although they’ll never admit this is the reason) this show unironically made my family member want to be a quantum physicist and they actually are one now making $350k plus about 2 years outta school so I will always have a fond place in my heart for this show no matter how unrealistic and silly it may have been. posted about 15.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Pure trash. The “Friends” of the 2010s. posted about 0.1 hours after the source♥ -39 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[SeinfeldTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld)[Frasier, Cheers and the rebootTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot) #### What the counts show Across 423 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (11 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 423index entries 423distinct source records 60.8%of parent category 21.2%of the complete index 178top-level comments 245replies #### What commenters explicitly report 4explicitly reports a benefit 5explicitly reports a limit or failure 30asks a question 1says they intend to try it 383other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Turn it into a game **11**Attach it to an existing routine **5** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments423 preserved records · 423 of 423 source records accounted for **I’m surprised to see big bang this far down. I really enjoyed the show but with how much Reddit hates on it I expected it to be top comment.**♥ 38source record 242 **I used to be able to watch it on occasion, but my parents and then later on my roommates all watched WAY too much of it and I can't stand it now.**♥ 8source record 243 **I was going to say the big bang theory, but you’re way more right.**♥ 254source record 263 **Bing bang theory. It's the dumb people's idea of what smart people are like. Without laughtracks it's just a string of unfunny cringe weird stuff**♥ 7,374source record 290 **“Dumb peoples idea of what smart people are like” is the best description I’ve heard. During the pandemic I was stuck sharing a house with an old friend. He’s a great guy but comes from a rough background and some of his friends are just dumb, and not only did they all like this show, but when they learned I had an engineering background they all assumed I loved it. They also assumed I didn’t know how to talk to girls, collected action figures, and cosplayed. I hate that fucking show because of the fans, partially.**♥ 1,946source record 291 **There used to be a great quadrant meme, and each of the quadrants were: \\\* Show about smart people for smart people - Frasier \\\* Show about dumb people for smart people - Arrested Development \\\* Show about smart people for dumb people - Big Bang Theory \\\* Show about dumb people for dumb people - Keeping Up With The Kardashians I think about that meme every time I hear the words Big Bang Theory**♥ 377source record 297 **BBT can also be described as “a nerdy show for people that think they’re nerds but aren’t.”**♥ 6source record 299 **Kinda weird that they thought you having an engineering background would mean you love the show. Especially considering that one of the show’s running jokes is Sheldon demeaning one of the other main characters for being an engineer with only a Master’s, calling it lesser to theoretical science or something like that.**♥ 81source record 300 **\>“Dumb peoples idea of what smart people are like” is the best description I’ve heard. My personal favorite is "nerd blackface"**♥ 243source record 301 **\> I hate that fucking show because of the fans, partially That is also a reason some people hate Rick & Morty. It's understandable if you actually have contact to terrible fans - I gladly don't. Still hate TBBT bc of the "nerd blackface"**♥ 84source record 303 **I once saw a venn diagram about this. The two shows I remember were Big Bang Theory (dumb show about smart people) and Futuramw (smart show about dumb people).**♥ 420source record 308 **\[Found it.\](\[link removed\] It's actually a four way Venn. About smart people, for smart people: Nova About smart people, for dumb people: The Big Bang Theory About dumb people, for smart people: Arrested Development About dumb people, for dumb people: Keeping Up with the Kardashians About smart people, for smart and dumb people: Mythbusters About smart and dumb people, for smart people: Breaking Bad About smart and dumb people, for dumb people: How I Met your Mother About dumb people, for smart and dumb people: It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia About smart and dumb people, for smart and dumb people: Futurama**♥ 522source record 310 **It was The Big Bang Theory being a show about smart people for stupid people. Arrested Development being a show about stupid people for smart people. I think Futurama was the overlap.**♥ 21source record 323 **I remember a matrix like this. Fraisier was the Smart Show about Smart People, but I can't remember the dumb show about dumb people**♥ 19source record 324 **Someone on here said once "Big Bang Theory is dumb jokes about smart people and Arrested Development is smart jokes about dumb people" and I never forgot that.**♥ 155source record 325 **I love all my sitcoms equally. (I don't care for Big Bang Theory)**♥ 37source record 326 **I don’t get the hate for this show. It’s nothing special, but it never struck me as any worse than most sitcoms.**♥ 116source record 327 **Reddit hates it because it's popular and made being nerdy trendy, so it's harder to gatekeep, which is the redditors natural hobby.**♥ 93source record 328 **I don’t even like the show but “nerd blackface” is one of the worst things I have ever read. People need to log off their computers every once in a while**♥ 63source record 329 **Yep. I argued it wasn’t even close to blackface several times. The show also happens to be written by a lot of nerds. They are just making the jokes relatable to general audiences.**♥ 6source record 330 **I love that show lol but I don’t disagree. I think it’s my affection for Kaley Cuoco. And I love the blooper reels and the fact they had a studio audience (unlike HIMYM)**♥ 20source record 331 **The first season or two is actually okay before they dig into the characterization of “smart people”**♥ 53source record 332 **I vaguely remember an interview with one of the writers of BBT where he's asked if Sheldon was intentionally written as an autistic man with special needs who is taken care of by his friends. He said no, he was just written as a stereotypical annoying smart nerd.**♥ 22source record 333 **I always think it's funny when I see this take. My husband and I have STEM PhDs and I find the show incredibly relatable. My husband likes it but finds some of the stuff hurtful because it portrays actual stuff we (scientists) experience like we're the butt of the joke, but his complaint isn't that it's inaccurate.**♥ 35source record 334 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 2,005source record 383 **I thought the first few seasons were a reasonable look into what happened to those wunderkinds we heard about. Living comfortable lives with good disposable income. Doing dead end research at Universities and butting heads with administration. Struggling with real world relationships. All seemed like good answers. Then they decided that Sheldon was gold and should be in every scene. And when he's not on camera all the other characters should be asking "Where's Sheldon?" and it went to hell quick. Young Sheldon kind of goes the opposite of that interestingly. It starts off as Bazinga fest and then slowly drifts to fleshing out all the other characters. Better than people might assume.**♥ 714source record 384 **As someone with a background in science and engineering, they got a lot right at first. I knew a Howard, a nerdy dude who thought he was a major ladies’ man. They threw in a lot of actual science jokes. Then the Sheldoning happened and it went to shit.**♥ 20source record 385 **I feel this in my soul. I could never get into TBBT and 90% of what I know about it was forced on me by either well-meaning friends or pop culture osmosis. I didn't make it past episode 1 or 2\. Young Sheldon, on the other hand... We had a situation where we had to leave later than planned for something and there was literally nothing else to do except wait, so my kid turned on Young Sheldon and all four of us sat and binged a handful of episodes. I really enjoyed it and have kept going every so often since.**♥ 169source record 389 **I truly can't stand BBT. Beyond just the awful writing, the sets, the lighting, the costumes, the hair, everything on screen is off-putting to me. Just the way the characters speak send shivers down my spine. Young Sheldon is kind of a guilty pleasure though. And Sheldon is the worst part of the show, even though that actor does a much better job with the character. Now we need Middle Sheldon to learn how he went from a geeky kinda awkward but nice kid into the most sufferable piece of shit on TV.**♥ 67source record 390 **A merch sales report and a couple of Chuck Lorre HQ focus groups. I guarantee there's a bullet point on a slide deck from the studio to the writera somewhere made between S2 and S3 that says "Sheldon must be in or be mentioned in every scene."**♥ 9source record 391 **The entire show is just people shouting punchlines to each other and being rude.**♥ 155source record 393 **“Punchline” is giving the writing too much credit. Usually was just them saying a comic book characters name or an 80’s cartoon.**♥ 48source record 394 **The reference itself was the joke. It was the middle of that “omg that’s so random and quirky” internet humor.**♥ 21source record 395 **All BBT was, was a standard sitcom with a nerd coat of paint. In other words, more of the same. I will die on that hill.**♥ 53source record 396 **It always felt like a laugh track was holding a hostage off-screen.**♥ 57source record 398 **The Big Bang Theory. Geeky sitcoms are great. TBBT is a sitcom \*about\* geeks, but the joke is usually "HA! \*Nerds.\*" We're not supposed to empathise with Sheldon or Leonard or Raj, we're supposed to empathise with Penny as the outsider. It puts in all these science references but usually any geeky/nerdy stuff is the joke in a way that's mean-spirited, and I really dislike the treatment of Sheldon as an autistic-coded person. It sucks because you had Community \*right there\* which actually embraced geek culture. In TBBT the joke is they play video games: Community has a whole episode set inside one. They both have episodes where they play Dungeons and Dragons, but Community goes all-in to the point where it's essentially them describing a full-blown fantasy adventure with all the tropes, a narrator, the dramatic orchestral music and sound effects. Abed is also autistic-coded, like Sheldon, but whereas they're usually annoyed by Sheldon's rigidity Abed's obsessions mean that he's a perfect fit for the world he's in. Like as an autistic dude when I look at Sheldon it feels really derivative and reductive. Meanwhile, Abed feels like someone I could actually be friends with, and people spend time with him because they \*actually\* like him, whereas Sheldon it feels like they're only friends because of proximity.**♥ 217source record 445 **It’s the most cynical, condescending and hateful show I ever saw. The writers think (correctly) that their audience is unintelligent and insecure and panders to them by insulting smart people for being “weird”. It’s like cuck porn for people who wish they were jock bullies**♥ 42source record 447 **The Big Bang Theory. Smart people being condescended to by a show that thought referencing physics made it intellectual. The jokes about women, social skills, and anyone outside the main group aged like warm milk. Ran for 12 seasons and won awards while sitcoms that were actually doing something interesting got cancelled in their first year. The laugh track did a lot of heavy lifting.**♥ 2source record 643 **Oh I love the big bang 🤦**♥ 4source record 888 **This is my personal theory too. I've seen SOOO much hate for it on Reddit, and almost none in real life. And it's not like I just "don't know real nerds," as I spent 10 straight years in college for engineering. We literally watched clips of this in Physics class. They also like to say on here that "actual nerds" find it offensive, which is why I pointed out that I'm very much aware of a large number of actual nerds in real life... NONE of us find it offensive. to the contrary, everyone I know is happy that 1) there are characters that we can somewhat relate to and 2) it came at a HUGE turning point in media where things like that went from isolated nerdy niches (comic books and D&D in your mom's basement) to part of the mainstream market (Avengers). >so it's harder to gatekeep I never thought about it that way, but I think you're on to something. "We're TRUE fans!" is the vibe I get A LOT on here for that sort of stuff.**♥ 18source record 983 **There was a period of time where whenever someone learned I studied physics they would IMMEDIATELY ask "have you watched the Big Bang Theory??" I despise that show.**♥ 19source record 990 **Think what you want about BBT, but the laugh track argument is dumb. BBT used the same approach as Seinfeld (hybrid live studio audience and "sweetening" with laugh tracks). Seinfeld looks ridiculous too if you remove the laughs.**♥ 10source record 991 **Oh please there are FAR worse shows than this one**♥ 43source record 992 **Reddit reallyyyyyy loves to hate this show and it’s a totally fine sitcom. I think you could take OPs point and say hating on big bang theory is a way for dumb people to feel smart, bazinga**♥ 40source record 993 **I think it’s a way for guys that fall into the creepy nerd category to avoid some introspection. Like there is a reason why the main cast was often the butt of the joke. The show portrays other scientists who are well-adjusted and also non-creepy women into nerd hobbies.**♥ 4source record 996 **Personally, as a female scientist, I liked it JUST for the fact that it included multiple female scientists. And not just that, but ones that are sometimes smarter than the men around them.**♥ 3source record 997 **Pretty sure it's because it was the #1 rated show for many years. Yes, plenty of worse shows, but how about worst sitcoms that pulled 20M viewers a week? The question is worst sitcom "that got way more popular than it should have." TBBT fits that to a tee.**♥ 5source record 998 **It wasn't a great show, but it wasn't awful. As a gigantic nerd myself, what bothered me most is how they always explained the nerdy jokes. The most fun part about nerdy jokes is understanding the niche references.**♥ 23source record 999 **It also has like 4 spinoffs too.**♥ 3source record 1001 **LOL I knew someone would bring this up. I did like this series but I was never under the impression that the characters were representative (even in a stereotypical way) of every engineer, physicist, etc. They were just socially inept characters that happened to be engineers, physicists, etc.**♥ 3source record 1002 **I was initially excited for the premise. But I quickly realized it wasn't a show FOR people like me. It was a shoe ABOUT people like me. Such a disappointment and a waste.**♥ 3source record 1003 **my parents seemed to think that bc i was into nerdy stuff i must love the show and multiple years in a row i got bbt merch for Christmas/birthdays despite being the only one in the house who doesn't watch the show. i already thought it was bad before but after that i loathed the show**♥ 3source record 1004 **I sort of liked the first season as there were some clever jokes, from a nerd perspective . However it devolved quickly into characters playing caricatures of them self, and the good jokes ran dry**♥ 3source record 1005 **It was popular when I was in high school, and I had friends that watched it just because they thought the one blonde chick was cute. I tried to watch an episode one time and was bored out of my mind. I just recall the laugh track running every five seconds - it’s always been a pet peeve of mine in comedies where the writers want literally every line to be funny and basically go for quantity over quality with the jokes**♥ 3source record 1006 **I remember right as it launched, I was maybe 17, and a few of my friends and I included loved it. Then it got MASS attention and craze. I remember going to visit my dad's family in Indiana around the holidays, and they'd literally spend hours upon hours watching Big Bang reruns, and this went on for several years. I cringe when I think back on how much I used to watch it, because it really isn't that great.**♥ 3source record 1007 **Having scientists consulting on the scripts, that would explain a lot of it. Scientists do not know comedy outside their area of expertise. I like science and understand many of the concepts but this just made me cringe.**♥ 3source record 1009 **I feel like it had potential to be something cool and just kinda wound up being long-form Revenge of the Nerds.**♥ 3source record 1010 **Also throw in Autism blackface**♥ 17source record 1020 **Every time I tried to watch that show it's what it immediately felt like within 10 seconds and I'm basically horrified it's allowed to be on air, much less be hugely popular.**♥ 5source record 1021 **I never once thought the show accurately portrayed smart people. I thought it portrayed what most sitcoms portray: exaggerations, of barely any accuracy. I can't recall any sitcom in fact that wasn't based on huge, largely inaccurate exaggerations for laughs. And I got no problem with that. I like some, dislike others, but the formula is harmless.**♥ 5source record 1030 **100%. The way I tried to describe it, based on my 2 unsucessful attempts to sit through an episode: You remember those old After School Specials that made you want to die of cringe because they dialogue was how 50-year-olds thought 12-year-olds talked? It's like that, except it's written by dumb people speculating about how they think smart people talk.**♥ 5source record 1031 **I'll catch an episode once in a blue moon and I don't hate it, but I can see watching it daily would be a slog. None of the characters are likable. (Well, maybe Raj. Maybe.) It's a shit portrayal of academia. It is a walking trope honestly. It feels like they wanted to make nerdy Friends and then just threw out anything that made Friends good.**♥ 8source record 1039 **On a forum I was a member for years, there was this running gag/motto that was mentioned on every discussion about BBT: "The Big bang Theory is a show about nerds made by writers that are the far opposite of nerds, on the other hand, Community is a show about life made by extremely nerd people"**♥ 9source record 1040 **Abed is also a far more respectful, realistic, and nuanced depiction of an autistic person than Sheldon**♥ 20source record 1041 **Pretty early on in the show, my mom took us to see a live taping when we all went to Disneyland for the first time. I will say, the live taping was such a cool experience, and the actors on outtakes were waaay more raunchy and personable than their characters (specifically Jim Parson). I agree on the show totally, but it was such a fun memory for me.**♥ 4source record 1044 **Comparing it to a minstrel show is probably one of the most out of touch with reality statements I’ve heard in recent memory.**♥ 22source record 1045 **Right?! As soon as a saw someone mention the Big Bang Theory I was thinking there’s no way people are still using that stupid comparison. Jfc portraying nerds as having successful jobs and families is not the same as a fucking minstrel show**♥ 4source record 1047 **If you don't understand how it's literally punching down at autistic caricatures in the exact same way then I don't know what to tell you man, it wasn't subtle about it.**♥ 3source record 1048 **Big Bang Theory came out when nerd culture started to really go mainstream. It gave boomers a way to peak into their kids or grandkids hobbies through the curated lens of a 22 minute laugh track.**♥ 5source record 1050 **It's spawned at least 2 spin-offs, so is very much an ongoing threat. /s I don't get either the hate or the love for the show. It's a mediocre sitcom. I'm a world where 2 Broke Girls exists, calling Big Bang Theory the worst sitcom seems ridiculous.**♥ 2source record 1057 **Yeah, my cousin watches/watched it and said it makes her think of my bf (we’re both quite nerdy but not like that) and we tried to watch it a couple of times and the cringe was just too much. It has awesome guest stars but meh.**♥ 3source record 1063 **I always heard the same line about big bang vs community**♥ 4source record 1064 **I once told someone that my kids were in an accelerated/gifted program and the first thing they said was, oh my family loves the Big Bang theory. I didn't really know about it then, and thought that was a really weird non sequitor, then I learned what the show was and thought, omg is that what they think my kids are like? Lol.**♥ 3source record 1066 **There are definitely instances where this is correct, but I've actually tried to wash the show. Good God it's bad LOL**♥ 5source record 1067 **This is one of my moms favorite shows of all time. She assumed I would like it because i read comic books. 😭**♥ 3source record 1069 **My father-in-law and my wife's stepmom absolutely thought the show was hilarious, especially sheldon. I'm a big comic book Guy and they knew this already, and my wife had always been pretty open about the fact that I could not stand the show. Add the fact that I also buy figures and shit like that but my father-in-law and his wife just could not wrap it around their head as to why I didn't like the show. I flat out told em, "its what everyone's mom & dad thinks a nerd is."**♥ 2source record 1070 **I’ve seen that same comparison for Silicon Valley (show about smart people for smart people) and Big bang theory too**♥ 1source record 1071 **Big Bang Theory is a show about a friend group of autistic people while also denying the fact they are autistic. I saw an interview where the creators talked about a couple stories of people they knew that Sheldon was based on and they are very clearly autistic situations. I think BBT is so hated, because its essentially autistic caricatures of neurodivergent people without actually letting them be neurodivergent and it turned into making fun of them. The joke is that BBT is about smart people but for dumb people and I think its actually about autistic people but for neurotypical people.**♥ 3source record 1074 **Personally I hate it because it's not funny in the slightest and at times extremely sexist.**♥ 1source record 1075 **Oh it was a minstrel show for sure.**♥ 3source record 1076 **Agreed. As a chemistry and physics teacher people always ask if I love the show. I can’t stand it.**♥ 1source record 1080 **Ehh, I like it well enough, but it seriously took a nosedive after the first 3-4 seasons. My main gripe is that the characters paired together don't seem to actually like each other to the point where they insult the other person's passions and hobbies. Maybe it's just that the writers didn't know how to write female characters. They all turned super bitchy.**♥ 2source record 1082 **The 2 spinoffs are even worse.**♥ 2source record 1083 **This was my choice. I tried a few times to watch it and it's... Just not good. I've also stopped watching a lot of things with laugh tracks.**♥ 8source record 1084 **It's ironic that the kind of humourless people being parodied don't like being parodied.**♥ 12source record 1085 **If the parody was funny it might work. Since the parody is the blandest inaccurate 'hurr hurr nerd talk' it's just stupid.**♥ 3source record 1086 **I'm a real life version of what those characters are supposed to be, and it is unbearable. A true insult compared to genius level work (in comparison at least) like Silicon Valley.**♥ 2source record 1087 **If the show was about how smart people really are, it wouldn't have been made.**♥ 2source record 1089 **Awful. And there's no way Penny would fall for whats-his-name in real life.**♥ 1source record 1090 **I hate watch this show while folding laundry. I’m motivated to get it done faster to turn it off.**♥ 2source record 1091 **Not to mention how the show tries to normalize misogyny. Pop culture detective has a great video about that. \[The adorkable misogyny of Big Bang Theory - YouTube\](\[link removed\]**♥ 0source record 1092 **Disagree, strongly. Sheldon is obviously over the top, and some of it is cringe-worthy, but that's the point. If you've ever met postdoc researchers they're often some of the most unhinged nutjobs on the planet. You expect creepy, you expect enough social anxiety and mental health issues, and frankly, the show does just enough to show what some nerdy people like in a representable way. To be blunt, TBBT is a show that's easy to hate because hating it makes them feel smart.**♥ 1source record 1093 **I don't know why I thought it was mildly entertaining. But I know a lot of people do not like it.**♥ 1source record 1094 **I've only watched the first episode of BBT. It seemed the writers actively hated the people they were portraying, so I never went back. Stuart Fails to Save the Universe is a delight! But it hasn't ignited a desire to go back and watch BBT.**♥ 1source record 1096 **I still think the first 3 seasons were decent, just when it started to get really popular did it get dumbed down.**♥ 1source record 1098 **Easily. It’s the dumbest show ever created.**♥ 1source record 1099 **Actually (although they’ll never admit this is the reason) this show unironically made my family member want to be a quantum physicist and they actually are one now making $350k plus about 2 years outta school so I will always have a fond place in my heart for this show no matter how unrealistic and silly it may have been.**♥ 1source record 1100 **I wouldn't agree. Sheldon is clearly Hollywood-autistic. Leonard could be considered a more realistic kind of high-functioning autistic, but I think that'd be a bit of a stretch. But the other two were just... situationally stupid. Hard to see why they could be considered autistic at all, beyond "When they're stupid, it's usually in social situations".**♥ 1source record 1102 **I watched a video on YouTube of BBT without the laugh tracks and all I could think was “this poor autistic man needs better friends :(“**♥ 1source record 1109 **It's fine if you don't like any show but you can't take the laughtracks out and decalre it's just a string of unfunny cringe weird stuff. They pause because of the laughtrack, how are people not getting this????**♥ -5source record 1115 **The laughtracks are there to incite a trained / social response. Not because any audience thought it's funny.**♥ 5source record 1116 **Don’t get me wrong — I absolutely detest the show, but TBBT is filmed in front of a live studio audience, it’s not an artificial laugh track. Granted they do tell the audience to really go crazy for each joke, so it’s not entirely a natural response, but it isn’t just like something they insert afterwards with a computer.**♥ 11source record 1117 **Yeah, ok, and? It's like if you digitally removed stoplights from a movie and then went "look at those idiots, they forgot how roads works, just drive dumbass!" Seriously, how are you not getting what I'm saying???**♥ 4source record 1118 **I dislike the whole concept of laugh tracks but especially despise lazy writing hidden behind said laugh tracks**♥ -1source record 1119 **My wife isn't from the US, and we were watching a game show once. The question was, "Which of these shows is a remake of another overseas." I guessed Big Bang Theory, she guessed another. When she turned out to be right, I asked how she know. "Because only in America do people think it's funny to portray smart people as goofy weirdos."**♥ 1source record 1120 **Summer of 2011, parents helping me move back from university to home after first year. My mom mentions they had borrowed the first few seasons from some friends, and commented 'You're a lot like Sheldon'. I only vaguely knew of the show from online mentions and at the time it was only 4 years old. I was mortified.**♥ 3source record 1123 **Not sure why I had to scroll this far, I watched like ten minutes of that show and wanted to beat my tv to death**♥ 0source record 1124 **I always describe it as a "poor man's Frasier"**♥ 1source record 1127 **Hi PhD here. I liked TBBT. Suck it.**♥ 1source record 1128 **Show was even worse without some "Office Hot" chick in it. Otherwise its just garbo.**♥ 1source record 1131 **Because Sheldon is clearly autistic and based on stories of people the writers knows autistic quirks but is also at the same time adamantly denied that the character is autistic. The entire show is about one guy who is clearly autistic and a bunch of other guys with high masking autism getting frustrated at him for his autistic quirks. Its a show by neurotypicals about neurodivergents for neurotypicals while denying the neurodivergent aspects. I think that is what makes the show so frustrating. Its about me but clearly not for me**♥ 1source record 1132 **That show was the worst. Never understood the appeal. Weirdly though, I found Young Sheldon to be a half decent show when my kids watched it years later.**♥ -1source record 1134 **I think Big Bang Theory truly ended the era of laugh tacks in sitcoms. Its laugh track was so oppressive that it made it more noticeable in other shows.**♥ 1source record 1135 **I had a buddy make me "give this a shot" many years ago. He genuinely thought I would like it because the main characters were into the same stuff I was. I had to explain to him the show is dunking on nerds and was not highbrow. Now he's MAGA and works for ICE. We're no longer friends.**♥ 1source record 1136 **What a character arc. Still more development than any of the tbbt characters had**♥ 1source record 1137 **I don’t love BBT by any means, but it was harmless and wholesome to an extent and family friendly, not a ton of sitcom competition during its run either.**♥ 1source record 1138 **I've watched a few episodes. I chuckled occasionally, but otherwise thought it was mostly... Kinda mean spirited. Almost like a bunch of writers who aren't neuro divergent trying to write characters who are based on stereotypes.**♥ 1source record 1139 **It's so bad. I remember watching one scene where a character is talking about sexual assault in a way that was not funny but there was laughing playing in the background. I do love Young Sheldon though lol. Whenever they reference big bang theory I pretend he's just daydreaming. I think big bang theory would've done better if Sheldon was the 'fish out of water' among more normal people, not other idiot scientists. That way they wouldn't have to try to write so many 'smart people' jokes. Keep penny and amy, delete all the awful one note room mates or whoever the other men are.**♥ 1source record 1140 **Absolutely this. The DUMBEST people I knew watched this shit show. It’s awful, you have to actively be an idiot to enjoy it.**♥ 1source record 1141 **It's really so bad. I tried to watch it when I became aware of it, but I didn't like the people, the rapid-fire, predictable, terrible one liners, or the laugh track. Which was actually necessary in this awful, awful, unfunny at all costs, "sitcom". 0/10, seven minutes of my life wasted.**♥ 1source record 1143 **The first few episodes were chuckle funny. Like hey! They made a show about some nerds with similar interests to what I like. After the first season it became unbearable and my dad watches it all the time. And young Sheldon, and he wants to watch some other new spinoff. Ugh.**♥ 1source record 1144 **it's geek minstrelsy.**♥ 1source record 1146 **Nerd version of Friends (also terrible). Only show worse is How I Met Your Mother. I do like Young Sheldon.**♥ 1source record 1148 **Sheldon being the way he is literally is what makes it the big bang theory cause without Sheldon nobody would’ve watched it. Also the creator of the show literally said Sheldon dosent have autism he’s just designed to be an annoying nerd**♥ 1source record 1149 **You couldn’t grow up autistic in the 2010s without having every single person compare you to Sheldon and expect you to be annoying like him.**♥ 5source record 1150 **Bud I literally grew up autistic in the 2010s and took being compared to Sheldon as a compliment cause he was one of my favorite characters on TV at the time**♥ 2source record 1151 **It's also really quite ableist towards autistic people**♥ -3source record 1153 **How? I’m literally autistic and have loved the show since childhood I’ve never seen anything that was more demeaning to anyone than anything that was already on air at the time**♥ 3source record 1154 **It’s the anti-Futurama**♥ 0source record 1157 **This is basically what I was going to say. Can't believe it got 3 spinoffs out of it either.**♥ -1source record 1158 **And for the people who say "of course removing the laughtrack is bad because there's long pauses!" no...the jokes don't hit even if you edit out the pauses. A good comedy doesn't need a laughtrack to be funny.**♥ 0source record 1159 **I had a girlfriend who enjoyed the show and wanted to watch it together. It was terrible. I don't think I laughed once and I was kind of insulted that she even asked me to watch it with her. She'd already asked me to watch Doctor Who with her, which I was not a fan of, but at least it wasn't offensive to my sensibilities. And this was when The Big Bang Theory was probably on like Season 4 or 5 or something, so I assume it just gets worse as time went on.**♥ 0source record 1160 **And the rampant sexism, casual racism, etc.**♥ 0source record 1161 **A friend of mine described it as “Nerd Vaudeville” and that flipped the switch.**♥ -1source record 1162 **I lived in a complex with several Cal Tech students during the peak of BBT. It was annoying when people compared my life to the show.**♥ 0source record 1163 **The fact that this was so much more successful than IT crowd really makes me sad.**♥ 0source record 1164 **I watched maybe 30 seconds of that show once and was so put off by it that i've literally never watched another second of it. SOO cringy**♥ -1source record 1168 **We (former grad students) watched two episodes & never looked back. Your description is perfect.**♥ -3source record 1169 **1\. Big bang theory - show about smart people, made for dumb people 2\. Rick and Morty - show about smart people, made for smart people 3\. Keeping up with the Kardashian - show about dumb people, made for dumb people 4\. It's always sunny - show about dumb people, made for smart people people**♥ 0source record 1170 **I used to think this and strongly disagree now. It’s a show that is funny because it puts people of different EQ together. Not IQ. If they made Sheldon (or any of the guys in the gang) of average intellect, that would just be mean. The whole point of the show is the gap in EQ**♥ 0source record 1171 **I've always been mad at this one because I loved Community and they were stuck against this show in their timeslot anditt was a constant "why is the best show on air losing to the worst show on air!" Fest of sadness**♥ 0source record 1172 **I was in a respected research place when this show started, and the show was a cringe fest for me after the 4 seasons, thanks to the Sheldon character. At first it was nice to see researchers as central characters in the tv. Then hell no, especially when a few of very toxic arrogant colleagues and professors around started to mimic the character 😬**♥ 2source record 1227 **At a certain point at a production level, Sheldon is just a giant red button. Every time you hit it, it generates a crapton of money. The quality has diminishing returns but the craptons of money do not. It's a giant red button. It's very difficult to ignore. And the button keeps a lot of people employed. It's almost impossible to stop hitting the button. If you don't hit the button, someone else probably will.**♥ 4source record 1228 **I detest BBT**♥ 1source record 1238 **it's not a laugh track, it's a live studio audience made to sound like a laugh track. I watched every episode, I think it was because of the thanksgiving episode which was fucking fantastic, I think I was just hoping for another episode that lived up to the tiniest fraction of quality that episode had. I was disappointed.**♥ 1source record 1239 **The worst thing to happen to Big Bang was Amy. It then became the Shamy Show, and everyone else became supporting cast.**♥ 1source record 1265 **There's a scene from a very late season where Penny and Leonard are having a very serious relationship level conversation/fight. And Sheldon is just also there for no reason throwing out zingers. It's really bad. It's almost like they added him in in post.**♥ 2source record 1266 **its mid, but perfectly fine for it's purpose. Certainly not the worst**♥ 190source record 1271 **Many Redditors are aware of that, too, but say it's "nerd blackface". Which is honestly fair, but pretty much every sitcom is a caricature of people. Watching a perfectly accurate portrayal of nerds playing video games and jorking their pickle would be boring as hell.**♥ 5source record 1275 **Understandable. The show is complete ass.**♥ 88source record 1276 **Probably on account of it being fucking dogshit.**♥ 50source record 1277 **Maybe also cause of the normalization of sexual harassment because “they’re nerds”. Funny how that gets left out of the criticism**♥ 2source record 1278 **Big Bang Theory was bigger, in terms of viewers, than both of them. Edit: and those are the next two comments on here lol**♥ 5source record 1283 **I enjoyed TBBT for the first several seasons, but it went on for about 7-8 seasons too long, frankly and got extremely repetitive. It should have been a 4-5 season show, not 12 seasons.**♥ 9source record 1300 **Oddly, now that you mention it, something I’ve noticed about that show and similar shows is that it’s ALL punchlines. There’s rarely an actual set up, just one liners and pause for laughter.**♥ 3source record 1313 **You forgot the all important laugh track! You know, the one that comes on after every line even if it was in absolutely no way humorous.**♥ 43source record 1321 **That show didn't use a laugh track.. despite Reddits popular belief. This is easily learned with a 5 second Google.**♥ 9source record 1322 **It might have been a live audience but there was people in the audience that said the laughter/cheering in the aired episode did not match what was heard live so they absolutely do add in some canned laughter.**♥ 12source record 1323 **Whether they use an audio laugh track or just fill the studio audience with the dopiest people on earth and tell them when to laugh — what’s the difference, really?**♥ 4source record 1324 **The show did not use a laugh track. Was live audience**♥ 11source record 1352 **I don’t understand why people think that makes it better. If the show didn’t use a laugh track, the audience was filled with people who laughed at literally anything, up to and including actors just walking into a room.**♥ 30source record 1355 **1000% agree.. terrible set up, predictable, fucking awful**♥ 9source record 1358 **100% this. Painfully unfunny.**♥ 3source record 1359 **I watched it the first few years. It's not really any different than any other sitcom. The fact that it's spawned 2 spinoffs and a spinoff of a spinoff should tell you plenty about where Reddit's opinion lies on this one.**♥ 14source record 1365 **Big Bang theory. It was popular when I was in high school. I had a couple friends that watched it, but mainly just because they thought the one girl in it was cute. One friend showed me an episode, and I didn’t laugh at all, and I will laugh at basically any kind of comedy**♥ 4source record 1388 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 4source record 1389 **I feel this. If you look at Amy F-F's arc, she started as a 'Sheldon', but then embraced all the new experiences she could have with a group (Or at least a couple) of solid relationships. Was a great example how a bit of kindness and understanding can go a really long way. When she gave that speech about women in science at the end of the show compared to the robot she was when she first appeared says a lot. Also, I reckon it wasn't Amy making that speech, it was Mayim Balik herself.**♥ 6source record 1396 **If you think the audience is only supposed to empathise with Penny, I would say you have a very reductionistic and narrow mindset when watching. I recognize a lot of myself and my friends in Leonard, Raj and (A little less) sheldon and Howard. But, like, we have the ability to laugh at and/or with ourselves.**♥ 7source record 1426 **The show is also laughing at you, just so you know. And not in a good way.**♥ 8source record 1427 **You're not the target audience of the show. You're just the target.**♥ 8source record 1429 **the worst was my maga or maga adjacent coworkers constantly telling me how smart they felt for getting the jokes in BBT.**♥ 2source record 1436 **I really disliked TBBT when I had the displeasure of watching it. Did it burn my eyes out? No. But what I want to know is - if you don't think TBBT is bad, what popular sitcom would YOU say is worse? Because I've watched a lot of sitcoms and I honestly can't think of one.**♥ 2source record 1437 **Did you Google and get an answer from an AI? Because that’s just untrue. It had a laugh track.**♥ 3source record 1441 **I think the point they're making is that it was filmed in front of a live audience and didn't just have a laugh track stuck randomly over the top of it, although they possibly used one to augment the audience reaction**♥ 22source record 1442 **Oh right. Yeah whether or not there’s a live audience they still use that recorded laugh noise whenever they want.**♥ 9source record 1443 **Yup. If i say down to watch it, it would generally get one or two laughs from me. But if you're looking for a respectful version of anxiety or autism then you won't find it**♥ 3source record 1451 **That's definitionally not a laugh track. Edit: I re-looked this up. It's not a laugh track, and it's not canned laughter. Those are two specific things that this is neither. It's an edited live audience.**♥ 1source record 1452 **Isn’t that the same thing? Canned laughter is the term when it’s been added**♥ 2source record 1453 **The Big Bang Theory I'm the \*ideal\* target audience for this show; nerdy, into that balanced mix of science and pop culture, love a good cozy-friend-group show, like the actors and the characters they play, and am even a huge fan of The Barenaked Ladies who did the theme song. I have watched several episodes, and gone in with an open (optimistic even!) mind, but I have never laughed once. I can \*see\* why the jokes should be funny. I can even appreciate that there are some good concepts there, but not one moment of that show has ever inspired a subtle chuckle, mild guffaw, or brief exhalation of air through my nose. While I wouldn't say it's the worst sitcom of all time, it is definitely more popular than it should be for what it is.**♥ 18source record 1469 **Tbh, I don't think you are the ideal target audience. The ideal target audience is someone who thinks nerds are both lame and funny, not someone who is a nerd. The show is for the layman who thinks of nerds from the same perspective as Hollywood seems to. It's not for people actually into nerd culture.**♥ 6source record 1470 **Big Bang and How I Met Your Mother**♥ 21source record 1501 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 6source record 1505 **Big Bang Theory has the most obnoxious (wait for next line, the fake laughing is too busy laughing) at obviously bad joke with even worse timing (most of the time due to the laugh track) Two and a Half Men - did anything ever actually happen during that show and was Charlie even acting?**♥ 3source record 1521 **Stupid fucking god awful big bang theory**♥ 3source record 1525 **The Big Bang Theory. Not that it's unwatchable, but it was a laugh-track machine that coasted twelve seasons on 'nerd says science word, audience howls.' It got enormous while genuinely sharper comedies got two seasons and a cancellation. Popularity and quality just fully decoupled on that one.**♥ 3source record 1527 **Big Bang Theory. Insufferable characters, bad acting, horrible laugh track.**♥ 3source record 1530 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 1533 **Big Bang.**♥ 7source record 1542 **Big Bang Theory imo**♥ 1source record 1562 **Easily big bang theory**♥ 5source record 1568 **The Big Bang Theory. That show is not funny, and has a laugh track to tell people that they attempted a joke.**♥ 5source record 1596 **Big band theory**♥ 2source record 1609 **BBT!! wtf**♥ 2source record 1611 **Big Bang Theory. Didnt make me laugh even once.**♥ 1source record 1612 **It’s more of a show for people who think they’re nerds but aren’t. I saw a meme calling it a show for “people who think watching Game of Thrones is being nerdy.”**♥ 2source record 1617 **One of the key details is how the jokes themselves are constructed. They aren't written based around understanding something nerdy, nor are they jokes that are actually doing something clever with language or presentation. They're generic, low-effort sitcom jokes with a nerdy topic Mad Libbed in.**♥ 2source record 1618 **To be fair, I do think that I am both lame and funny! But yeah, I guess that's maybe a wording thing on my part in my original comment, because what you said is basically what I mean. Like, I looked at the show and said "this is for me!" but then watched it and was like "this is not for me, this is \*about\* me!"**♥ 2source record 1621 **Big bang theory**♥ 4source record 1643 **Watch any of the shows with their dueling moms. Laurie Metcalf and Christine Baranski are gold. Kathy Bates shows up later for and episode or two.**♥ 1source record 1657 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 8source record 1666 **Big Bang Theory.**♥ 6source record 1671 **Big Bang Theory or Two and a Half Men take your pick**♥ 4source record 1677 **Big Bang Theory or The Goldbergs.**♥ 6source record 1684 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 2source record 1698 **Big bang theory is still the worst thing on television due to the magic of syndication**♥ 4source record 1717 **That laugh track is horrible.**♥ 2source record 1718 **Which is funny, because they actually had a live audience.**♥ 2source record 1719 **big bang theory, the terrible laugh track being used non-stop + the non-stop misogyny fun watch about the topic: \[link removed\]**♥ 2source record 1721 **Big Bang Theroy**♥ 3source record 1722 **Big Bang Theory. Check it out on YouTube without the laugh track. It’s amazing what the sound of people laughing for no reason will do to your brain to make you glaze over the fact that nothing funny was actually said,**♥ 4source record 1723 **"if you mess up the timing of the jokes, then they aren't funny" holds true across multiple shows.**♥ 2source record 1724 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 1725 **Big Bang Theory. Ridiculously unfunny.**♥ 2source record 1735 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 2source record 1736 **This might be an unpopular opinion but Big Bang**♥ 2source record 1739 **BBT**♥ 1source record 1746 **The Big Bang Theory.**♥ 3source record 1747 **Big Bang Theory, real dumb! The blonde chick with the fake boobs was the only reason it lasted.**♥ 1source record 1748 **The Big Bang Theory. Perpetuated harmful stereotypes about nerodiversity and nerd culture.**♥ 33source record 1759 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 4source record 1782 **Big BANG Theory. I'm not being contrary. I genuinely thought this since I was a child. When I watched a bit of it when surfing channels, it would almost always be the part where Sheldon knocks on a door and repeating Penny's name. I genuinely thought even at a young age "where's the comedy?"**♥ 12source record 1789 **The big bang theory**♥ 2source record 1795 **There are probably worse ones but I absolutely cannot stand The Big Bang Theory. 2 and a Half Men is also trash.**♥ 5source record 1799 **Big bang theory**♥ 4source record 1802 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 4source record 1808 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 1810 **Big bang theory**♥ 3source record 1812 **Big bang theory**♥ 4source record 1814 **The Big Bang Theory. It had some genuinely funny moments but sometimes it felt like yelling NERD was the entire punchline.**♥ 4source record 1815 **Big bang theory fucking sucks and I can't believe I haven't seen it mentioned yet.**♥ 4source record 1816 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 1817 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 1821 **Many of the shows mentioned were considered funny in their original time frame, but just did not age well. For example, on Big Bang Theory, Sheldon treated the people around him in a way that in my opinion, was plain pychological abuse. Back then it was apparantly funny that the stereotypical autistic guy is an absolute horror to the stereotypical geeky people around him. Friends was considered funny in the 90's but the jokes were often at the expense of LGBTIQ+ or women. Chandler can flirt but his girlfriend Monica can't because she is 'a lot hotter'. Ross is possesive and controlling but it is framed as sensitive and romantic. Rachel wearing a lot of make-up is no problem because she can sit 'next to the transsexual' at a work party. I watch Friends because of nostalgia and a lot of genuinely funny moments, but also cringe more and more as the jokes did not age well at all. I would recommend Grace and Frankie, which is of a later age and is both wholesome, inclusive and incredibly funny.**♥ 2source record 1826 **The Big Bang Theory. It's just not funny at all**♥ 2source record 1837 **Big Bang Theory (But somehow, I fucking love YOUNG SHELDON)**♥ 1source record 1852 **Big Bang Theory- an idiots idea of what smart people are like.**♥ 13source record 1853 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 6source record 1866 **Everyone hates on Big bang theory but home improvement was pretty much the exact type of show, just catering to a different stereotype of manhood, one that was also popular at the time.**♥ 2source record 1872 **Big Bang Theory for sure**♥ 3source record 1889 **Big Bang Theory. Utter trash. Have no idea why soooo many people like it.**♥ 3source record 1893 **Big bang theory is a hot pile of shit.**♥ 1source record 1896 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 1902 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 2source record 1907 **Big bang theory.**♥ 2source record 1912 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 1927 **Big bang Theory**♥ 1source record 1939 **People love to laud it as some "nerd's getting the limelight", but if you're not braindead, it's obvious all the jokes are at the expense of the nerds. There was a really good essay I read a while back that broke this down and made the argument that "Community" was the true "nerd king" sitcom made for nerds, by nerds. It's notable that sorting by Best and Controversial, I haven't seen "Community" mentioned yet.**♥ 1source record 1943 **Big Bang Theory….I don’t find a second of it funny**♥ 2source record 1956 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 1965 **BIG BANG THEORY. Absolute trash**♥ 4source record 1966 **The Big Bang Theory.**♥ 8source record 1968 **Big bang theory is hands down the worst show I’ve ever seen, dishonourable mentions to all of its spinoffs.**♥ 6source record 1973 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 4source record 1974 **Big Bang Theory...just dumb as fuck on so many levels!**♥ 4source record 1975 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 5source record 1976 **The Big Bang Theory. Fuck that show and everyone involved.**♥ 1source record 1988 **Big Bang Theory .. I like Dharma and Greg from the same creator slightly more, and that one was never really popular for some reason. While everyone was like 'Bazinga!' 15 years ago and BBT had it's own spin-off and what not.**♥ 1source record 2009 **The Big Bang Theory. A laugh track doing 50% of the heavy lifting 😂**♥ 3source record 2014 **Big bang theory, friends. Take the laugh track off and it is alarming how dumb these shows are.**♥ -1source record 2015 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2016 **Big bang theory. I absolutely despised that show everytime it was on TV, and none of their jokes were funny or amusing.**♥ 1source record 2017 **As a nerd, obligatiory Big Bang Theory. It's almost offensive how terrible everything is. But I have to say it, Seinfeld. The lamest jokes I've ever heard. Some set ups a are funny, likely due to Larry David, nothing works outside that. I just have never laughed at any of the execution. Jerry Seinfeld sucked way before I knew about him so that doesn't help. Friends sucks too.**♥ 1source record 2023 **Big Bang Theory. That show is intolerable.**♥ 1source record 2025 **Big Bang Theory. Use to see a girl who loved that show. I’ve probably seen 8 or 9 episodes in total cos of that and I swear I didn’t laugh one single second.**♥ 0source record 2030 **Big bang theory**♥ 0source record 2032 **Big Bang Theory**♥ -2source record 2035 **Big Bang Theory. Just referential shit involving neurodivergence as the butt of the jokes. I stopped wearing anything Green Lantern (including one very well fitting hat) for a while because people would expect me to get it when they said “Bazinga.”**♥ 2source record 2045 **Big Bang Theory. 5/10 cast doing a 2/10 show.**♥ 10source record 2046 **The big bang one**♥ 5source record 2049 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 2051 **Big band theory.**♥ 3source record 2052 **That show was nothing but sax and violins**♥ 8source record 2053 **🤝🤝🤝**♥ 2source record 2054 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 4source record 2056 **I mean the only answer has to be The Big Bang Theory, right?**♥ 1source record 2060 **Based on the fact that it was the biggest show in the world for years, I’m gonna go with The Big Bang Theory. Terrible characters who all randomly choose to let their lives be lorded over by an insane man child.**♥ 2source record 2067 **Big Bang bullshit. Every character in that show just sucked**♥ -1source record 2073 **Big bang theory. You can disagree all you want, that show is Jesus wept unfunny**♥ 1source record 2099 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2101 **Big Bang Theory.**♥ -1source record 2102 **Big Bang Whatever**♥ 1source record 2103 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2104 **The Big Bang Theory 🤢🤮**♥ 1source record 2105 **Big bang theory.**♥ -2source record 2122 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 2source record 2123 **Big bang theory**♥ 0source record 2125 **Big Bang Theory**♥ -1source record 2127 **Big Bang Theory was absolutely garbage. Really lazy writing, dated concept and just all around not great. It’s so surface level and brainless but ironically that is probably also why it was so popular, it’s a perfect second screen type of tv show which shows how fucked we are as humans.**♥ -3source record 2128 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 4source record 2144 **Big Bang Theory.**♥ 3source record 2149 **Big Bang Theory. The humor was so base level, like it was geared specifically for idiots. Tried to watch several times because people kept recommending it; couldn’t ever get through an entire episode. It was just so stupid and I lost respect for several people I knew because they liked it. 🤣**♥ 2source record 2164 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 2166 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 2169 **Big bang theory**♥ 1source record 2177 **Big Bang Theory. None of the characters are likeable, voices are hard to listen to, and the themes are offensive and rapey. The target demographic seems to be people who feel stupid and want to feel better about themselves. Young Sheldon was pretty good though.**♥ 1source record 2184 **Big bang theory, runner up is friends**♥ 1source record 2186 **The Bing Bang Theory was objectively awful.**♥ 1source record 2195 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 2201 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 2202 **Big Bang**♥ 0source record 2204 **Big Bang Theory is absolute garbage. No other shows mentioned here come even remotely near it.**♥ 0source record 2208 **The big bang theory**♥ -1source record 2210 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2211 **all the big bang theory shit. like WHY?? make it STOP.**♥ 0source record 2212 **Big Bang Theory is the only objectively true answer.**♥ 0source record 2213 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2216 **Big Bang is awesome…**♥ 0source record 2227 **TBBT**♥ 0source record 2228 **Big Bang always. Its not funny**♥ 4source record 2234 **Big bang theory, 2 and a half men**♥ 4source record 2235 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 2236 **Big bang theory. Seinfeld. 2.5 men.**♥ 4source record 2239 **Big. Bang. Theory.**♥ 2source record 2240 **The Big Bang Theory. Where I live they play it on major national network tv in syndication daily like it’s a classic, it is not. It’s not terrible, I just feel like so many of the jokes on that show were always the same joke recycled.**♥ 4source record 2241 **Big bang theory**♥ 6source record 2242 **The answer is exceedingly clear: big bang theory**♥ 1source record 2255 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 2source record 2260 **Big bang theory**♥ 2source record 2262 **Big Bang Theory. Not the worst ever but it ran for like 12 seasons off one joke and a laugh track that tells you when to laugh. I'll die on that hill**♥ 1source record 2283 **The Big Bang Theory. It relies on misogyny and truly problematic character dynamics. Constantly laughing \*at\* nerds rather than \*with\* them, as well as using cheap punchlines. The underlying racism and zionism as well as casual bigotry and stereotyping. I hate it.**♥ -1source record 2284 **I once heard The Big Bang Theory described as "blackface of nerds", I never understood how it lasted so long**♥ 0source record 2285 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 3source record 2287 **Big Bang Theory comes to mind.**♥ 2source record 2288 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 2289 **Big bang**♥ 0source record 2290 **Big bang theory**♥ 1source record 2294 **The Big Bang Theory, it started conceptually ok, but ultimately it just ripped on nerds and every episode was more predictable than the last. Then it kept going. Now the spin off Stuart Fails to Save the Universe has somehow been renewed for a second season despite being utter shite.**♥ 1source record 2299 **I don’t get the hatred for Big Bang Theory. Is it because redditors are massive nerds and geeks and feel personally attacked? I’m not a huge fan, I haven’t watched till the end because it became less funny. But the first seasons? Come on…this show is very well written!**♥ -2source record 2300 **Big bang bullshit.**♥ -1source record 2301 **Big Bang Theory**♥ -1source record 2302 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2303 **The Big Bang Theory I fucking HATE that show.**♥ 0source record 2304 **The big bang theory**♥ 0source record 2310 **Big bang**♥ 0source record 2312 **Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men**♥ -1source record 2314 **Big bang theory**♥ 0source record 2317 **Big Bang Theory, How I met your mother, the Charlie Sheen one. All terribly unfunny.**♥ 0source record 2320 **I found Big Bang Theory to be unwatchable. My brother would sometimes have it on so that's how I saw it. It's one of those sitcoms by a traditional sitcom writer who hired a bunch of old sitcom writers who have been writing the same jokes for 40 years but then they jammed in some nerd shit. The irony is that Chuck Lorre co created pretty interesting sitcoms early in his career (Cybil and Dharma and Greg) and worked on og Roseanne. I liked to say it was the dumbest show about supposedly smart people I'd ever seen. I hadn't seen it without the laugh track until later, but even when I first saw it I noticed that for pretty much every joke they'd set it up and I knew exactly what the punchline was gonna be. I've seen enough sitcoms to have seen a nearly identical joke multiple times in the past. It's why at the time especially comedy shows like The Office, Community, Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, Sunny and The League (even Scrubs and before that Newsradio) were at all enjoyable. None of them relied on standard sitcom joke structure, set up and delivery and a laugh track to tell you exactly when you were supposed to laugh. Dude I hate that shit so much.**♥ 0source record 2321 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 5source record 2337 **Big Bang Theory Absolutely wild how much lifting the laugh track does. Pay attention and you’ll find yourself asking: Why are they pressing the laugh button?? That wasn’t a joke! Nor was it a funny observation, or a funny situation, or something unexpected! It was just a character saying something slightly wry and then making a funny face in a point in the dialogue where you’d EXPECT a joke!**♥ 2source record 2348 **My comfort show is The Middle, zero laugh track. Started streaming the Big Bang Theory and the laugh track is overused and I couldn’t believe how much the laugh track stood out**♥ 2source record 2349 **The Big Bang Theory. I know it was popular but couldn’t stand it.**♥ 1source record 2376 **Big Bang Theory. Same jokes recycled over and over for 10 seasons**♥ 2source record 2378 **Big bang theory by far**♥ -1source record 2379 **Big bang theory**♥ 1source record 2381 **Unpopular opinion, Big Bang Theory, and 3 and a 1/2 Men, and pretty much any sitcom on CBS for the past 20 or so years.**♥ 1source record 2387 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 1source record 2389 **Big Bang Theory. I don't know what's worse - the show or the fans.**♥ 1source record 2390 **That’s how I originally heard Rick and Morty described lol**♥ 1source record 2416 **\> “Dumb peoples idea of what smart people are like” is the best description I’ve heard. I’ve heard “A nerd show for people that think that watching Game of Thrones is nerdy”. I just couldn’t get past them making a reference to something, then immediately explaining that reference because they know their fan base is made up of non nerds thinking they’re nerds.**♥ 1source record 2419 **Lol well, to be fair, some smart guys are like that. Exhibit A: my husband.**♥ 1source record 2420 **Former friend of mine called it nerd blackface**♥ 0source record 2462 **Yup. If you ever saw or talked to me outside of my job, you would have zero clue that I have CS degree and do large scale hardware integrations (200+ sites that must match hardware) Unless you really knew me.. you would just think my job is easy since I am remote. Because I make it easy by account of being competent. Same as all engineers / tech professionals. It’s hard. Besides that, I drive a truck and and just crack dark humor… also hate big bang theory. Just not relatable or the least bit funny**♥ 0source record 2463 **I mean to be fair I'm a massive nerd but most of us still hate it.**♥ 0source record 2465 **Haha, that’s totally what I’ve been calling it for the last few years. I wasn’t aware anyone else called it that. Actually, I think the last time I referred to it as such, I was down voted into oblivion**♥ -13source record 2469 **I hate it because the show wasn’t funny, and people seem to get triggered if you say you dislike it**♥ 0source record 2473 **Big Bang was good first 2/3 seasons, until they had to get wives/gfs. I feel when Amy came it started to go bad.**♥ 1source record 2492 **As someone who is neurodivergent, it felt like Big bang theory was giving direct punches to me. It made us the punch line and not in a kind way. I am not autistic, but it felt like the show never tried to understand or even accept various conditions. I always compare it to how community treated Abed... And how they had possibly one of the best episodes of television dealing with neurodiversity and struggling to fit in**♥ 0source record 2503 **I don't think I'll ever understand the hate for TBBT.**♥ 1source record 2505 **"The Adorkable Misogyny of the Big Bang Theory" \[link removed\]**♥ 1source record 2506 **I remember when Sheldon had a reddit t shirt on in the show, people were so fucking angry it was hilarious. I think its mid, definitely not the worse show out there.**♥ 1source record 2507 **BBT felt alienating as a young female nerd. I think they introduce nerdy women in the later seasons, and Penny gets more character development, but the first several episodes are very much "only boys can be nerds, the only woman on this show is ditzy and thinks steak is vegetarian, but she's hot so all the nerd guys want to bang her"**♥ 1source record 2510 **remove the laugh track and it becomes a horror show about bullying**♥ -1source record 2519 **Look up adorkable. Its not really a good thing and pretty much reinforces idea that nerds can be gross, creepy or misogynistic because their "quirky" and "weird" or someshit. Big bang theory really popularized that idea. The downvotes lmfao. Guess hating a show for being sexist and portraying nerd as gross stereotypes isnt a good thing to yall**♥ -3source record 2520 **I’ll take your word for it that this exists, but I don’t think it would explain why so many people hate it more than other mediocre sitcoms.**♥ 1source record 2521 **Have you seen the YouTube video where they remove the laugh track? My god the writing is so painfully terrible, the humor entirely forced, and that just drove it home for me.**♥ 0source record 2530 **The way I heard it described best was that the first season felt like we were laughing \*with\* the characters and then slowly transitioned into laughing \*at\* the characters. That the producers decided it was more valuable as a bully by proxy for the masses than a smart show for smart people. I mean, financially that makes sense.**♥ 0source record 2531 **Soooooo much further down the thread than it has any right to be. I remember the first time I saw it I was sure it was a sign of the times in terms of social regression. Lol.**♥ -3source record 2540 **My dad loves this show… so checks out**♥ -2source record 2541 **I heard it described as "blackface for nerds", and that seems about right.**♥ -2source record 2551 **It’s because the laugh lines are not funny — in fact, often so unfunny that they are insulting to the audience — and the laugh track makes it feel forced.**♥ -8source record 2552 **Pure trash. The “Friends” of the 2010s.**♥ -39source record 2561 **I fully agree, but you wouldn't believe how many people I know in academia who actually like it.**♥ -3source record 2565 **I hate that fucking show so the every fiber of my being. It’s given us some fun moments and actors, but the entire conceit of it was insulting.**♥ -10source record 2566 **No. It's just bad. Not funny at all. Glad you small minority found a safe space in this thread 😂**♥ -9source record 2567 **I watched the original pilot episode of this and it was snarky fun with no laugh track. I thought "cool, I'll watch this". Apparently that bombed so they redid the whole thing with a new female lead and a different vibe. I watched one episode and noped out**♥ -7source record 2568 **My ex liked that show and would have it on in the afternoons and my takeaway is that if they cut out the heavy-handed nerd pop culture stuff and just let the oddball personalities bounce off each other it would have been a far better show. The characters are so clearly defined and are such huge goofballs you don't need to shoehorn in the pop culture nerd "jokes." But they didn't ask me.**♥ -1source record 2570 **My god big bang theory sucks**♥ -1source record 2571 **Someone did an edit that removed laugh tracks and it was eye opening for me (as someone who watched the show when it first came out). It legit made me stop watching anything that has a laugh track.**♥ -1source record 2572 **This is the thing: it’s not a show about nerds/scientists, it’s show to laugh at nerds/scientists. It’s extremely irritating**♥ -14source record 2574 **Needs and scientists should take themselves less seriously. 🤷‍♀️**♥ 17source record 2575 **I definitely dont think your husband is wrong for getting upset at the jokes, nor are you wrong for enjoying it. But the show feels to me like neurotypical people made a show about neurodivergent people while also denying them their neurodivergence so that neurotypical people could watch it. It turns autistic quirks into something to laugh at Sheldon for while he also gets to say “Im not crazy, my mother had me tested.” I havent seen it for a long time, though I know I enjoyed it when I did. I remember being so excited for it when it first came out. And I would probably still enjoy it now. Its also okay to say its flawed and represents neurodivergence in a negative light and as something to laugh at**♥ 1source record 2576 **Nerds and scientists (and neurodivergent people) gets laughed at enough in real life, without having to have bad TV shows perpetuating stupid stereotypes**♥ -2source record 2577 **This show is an indictment on our popular culture lol**♥ -7source record 2578 **When it first started and it was just about generic nerds, those of us who were nerds kinda liked it. It was very much a "hey I like those things too, I get that reference" moment. Then they just happened into them all being geniuses, all had extreme social issues, it became a caricature of a parody and felt like it was always punching down. It felt like it became less about laughing at the jokes, and instead laughing at those kind of people, whether it was nerds or hot dumb people. It just felt mean spirited.**♥ -5source record 2582 **big bang gets more hate than it deserves- is it formulaic? yeah, but its a comedy sitcom that’s supposed to be mindless. not my favorite, but by no means the worst considering how much crap came out in the 80s and early 90s. Charles In Charge, Who’s The Boss, Facts of Life, have no staying power and weren’t innovative.**♥ 6source record 2584 **Big Bang**♥ 4source record 2585 **Big Bang Theory.**♥ 8source record 2586 **Big Bang Theory.. HAHA! NERDSSS!**♥ 3source record 2607 **It’s great background noise when you’re working and and some killer guest stars**♥ 2source record 2630 **Sheldon is also just a straight up asshole. Like his behavior cannot be explained by him being autistic and the fact that they often tried to play it that way is really gross. Young Sheldon retroactively explains so much of his character. He was coddled completely as a child and never actually allowed to be a normal kid and have some disappointment. He was taught that he was special and that his needs trumped his siblings. So he sees his comfort and opinions as the only correct ones and that everyone else is wrong and needs to be told as such.**♥ 1source record 2643 **Honestly ai never watched the prequel but that feels like they're aware of the implications and criticism and tried to correct. The dumb thing is I feel like it went a long way to making people resistant to get tested because they think "I'm not like that, so I can't be autistic". It's just very lowest common denominator. Like I don't share his rituals or quirks but I have three Troy and Abed in the Morning mugs (one small, two big) because I broke one while doing renovations and had a full-blown breakdown, so I don't understand why it's so funny that... he has routines and specific things he likes. They treat him as difficult for having these aspects of his personality, ignore the nice things he does, and treat him being autistic as something to make fun of because he gets inflexible.**♥ 1source record 2644 **Yeah the issue is they never actually confirm he’s autistic in the show because then they’d just have been acting like dicks instead of trying to find a solution that was more workable with him. The other issue is that he’s shown to not respect other people’s boundaries or hobbies/interests either. He’s quite arrogant to a fault.**♥ 1source record 2645 **the comment i responded too said \\\`You forgot the all important laugh track! You know, the one that comes on after every line even if it was in absolutely no way humorous.\\\` was it in absolutely no way humorous or did some people find it funny, your comment doesnt track with the one i responded to? people here care about it being a laugh track because they want to use that to validate their opinion that it wasn't funny at all, but people did and do laugh at the comedy. now you want to make an argument of triviality to whether it was or was not a laugh track.. you are deviating too far from the hivemind man**♥ 2source record 2649 **It's not funny. Studio audiences are told to laugh, react, and then stop laughing. They aren't genuine reactions.**♥ 2source record 2650 **You are allowed to think its not funny. But to say nobody finds it funny, a bit pretentious, no? They are real people lol. They just get people who are more easily made to laugh. Have you ever heard fake laughing? Doesn't sound the same. Did you know late night shows have the same prompts? But nobody is talking about Stephen Colbert having a laugh track. Tbbt used the same production method as friends.**♥ 2source record 2651 **If people blanket just hate added laughing, I get it, it doesn't bother me personally but I can understand why some people would find it weird. Tbbt is not immune to criticism, but I just don't find the added laughing a valid point that would uniquely make it bad, was all I ever meant to convey. Many sitcoms have it, as well as other comedy shows. And it is a live audience, so it's not as artificial as people try to insinuate, though it's obviously not 100% natural or organic either.**♥ 1source record 2653 **Yeah you went to “they did not use a laugh track” in defense of the show — I’m telling you that it’s no defense at all, because whether the laughs are fake or “real,” the “jokes” aren’t funny.**♥ 3source record 2654 **Mid? It's unwatchable slop made for grandmothers. Apologies if you're one, but your taste sucks, Nana.**♥ -8source record 2667 **But it wasn’t added. It was people just laughing. Was not put in post production or anything**♥ -7source record 2672 **You need to read up a bit on laugh tracks. Shows filmed in front of live audiences use laugh tracks. The laugh track is a separate audio track for the laughter. Were it not used, the audio quality would be terrible trying to balance the actors’ dialogue vs. the audience sounds. Not every laugh heard in a “live audience” show is genuine from that take. Sometimes scenes are reshot on a closed set and laughs are inserted in. Frequently, editors used laughs from elsewhere on the track to punch up jokes that got a milder response: this is called “sweetening.” Sometimes entire episodes are filmed non-live and then the laughter is added after, especially for episodes where the producers fear major spoilers leaking. This is absolutely all done in post production. Every “live audience” show does this. The laughs do come from a live audience, but they are recorded separate and can be mixed and matched to put the laughs where the producers want.**♥ 16source record 2673 **A simple google search proves they did not do that for BBT. All they did was soften it a bit to not drown out the actors. They did not use any artificial laughter whatsoever “\*The Big Bang Theory\* did not use a canned laugh track. Instead, the show was filmed in front of a live studio audience, and the laughter you hear on the broadcast is the real-time reaction of those audience members.\\\[\[1\](\[link removed\] \[2\](\[link removed\] \[3\](\[link removed\] \*\*How Filming Worked\*\* \*\*Live Taping:\*\* The cast performed each episode on a multi-camera soundstage in front of hundreds of real people. \*\*Pacing for Reactions:\*\* The actors paused their dialogue to let the audience laugh and clap, which shaped the rhythm of every scene. \*\*Audio Sweetening:\*\* Sound technicians adjusted the live audio in post-production. They balanced the volume so the live audience response did not drown out the actors' voices, but they did not use artificial laughter machines “**♥ -2source record 2674 **I’ve literally known people who have been to these live tapings for TBBT before who said how awkward it is when jokes don’t land and how silent it is. So, naturally, they fix that when they do their sound adjustments. I’ve had people confirm this to me who talked about silent moments and how they were absolutely not silent when aired. These are fans of the show who didn’t care about this, mind you. If you believe that they don’t artificially add laughter in when they do adjustments then maybe you are the perfect audience for the show.**♥ 6source record 2675 **So your own source says there was post production sweetening. Also, they could only balance the audio if there was a separate track for laughs. A laugh track, if you will.**♥ 4source record 2676 **They aren't mutually exclusive, both a recorded track and the live audience can be used. In addition, The live audience is told when to laugh, it's not authentic in any way and very noticeable.**♥ 2source record 2677 **Big Bang Theory.**♥ 0source record 2693 **You have my vote I’ve tried so many times to watch it and just can’t**♥ 0source record 2696 **Big Bang Theory. Misogynist garbage.**♥ 1source record 2700 **Big Bang Theory. It's a show written by dumb people, about what dumb people think smart people are like, with a primary demographic of obnoxious people. The characters are an insufferable group of mental nuisances, and pedants, and I am positive the waiting room to purgatory shows it on a loop.**♥ 1source record 2701 **Big Bang Theory. The only redeeming factor was the fact that they had actual scientists make sure they weren’t spouting nonsense when talking about science.**♥ 1source record 2704 **That's exactly it basically: \[\[link removed\]**♥ 1source record 2706 **Every production choice is horrendous from the lighting to the costumes to the hair and make up. It's an affront to television**♥ 1source record 2709 **Honestly? The Big Bang Theory. Friends Seinfeld I've betrayed my generation... Never got those.**♥ 0source record 2741 **Big Bang Theory Murphy Brown One Day at a Time**♥ 0source record 2742 **Big Bang Theory is the obvious one.**♥ 0source record 2754 **Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2755 **The Big Bang Theory**♥ 0source record 2756 **Big Bang, 2.5 Men, and 2 Broke Girls**♥ 0source record 2757 **As a non American - Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men. Soooo bad and not funny at all**♥ 0source record 2762 **It is also: \[link removed\]**♥ 0source record 2774 **Agreed. Like, it's fine to make jokes about nerds. But it's somehow made worse by how superficial it is. Referencing a nerdy thing isn't inherently funny, but the writers insist it is.**♥ 1source record 2775 **The entire show was punching down at caricatures of smart people by dumb people. It's pretty telling when people like it.**♥ -2source record 2784 **I find The Big Bang Theory really bad. It's just not funny**♥ -2source record 2788 Archive: 423 index entries preserve 423 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Two and a Half Men61 index entriesNamed steadily and defended thinly, usually with a note about which seasons the commenter means. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Two and a Half Men Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Two and a Half Men 61 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1713 **Claim context:** Two and a Half Men **Why it matters:** Named steadily and defended thinly. The recurring complaints are that the material is sexual innuendo with nothing under it, that the same few jokes are stretched across twelve seasons, and that the second lead was rewritten from one kind of unpleasant into another. Several records date their answer to the cast change, and a few say the show's own ending is the most interesting thing about it. **What readers reported:** For me, it’s \*Two and a Half Men\*. I know it had a huge audience, but watching it now feels like someone stretched the same three jokes over 12 seasons and somehow got paid for all of them. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The defenders here are unusually precise: most of them limit their defence to the early seasons, and describe the show as competent background television made by people who were good at their jobs rather than as something they would claim was good. What the replies added1 Eh, I'd disagree. It's pretty mid although the seasons with Charlie Sheen are better than the ones with Ashton Kutcher imo. The ending is a masterwork of pettiness though, despite its general awfulness. As bad as Sheen got, Chuck Lorre is just as petty even if he isn't as much of a dumpster fire (he also wrote Big Bang Theory, whose quality is ymmv). Pushback♥ 6 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint It’s spiritual successor, anger management, turned out so good that i cant watch any episode of 2 1/2 men anymore, where most of what happens is allen being an idiot and made fun of by everyone, while anger management actually has quirky likeable characters all around and even some character development. Unfortunately they marketed it wrong, just saying “here is this new thing, all we let you know about it is its name, and charlie is in it with some explosions” source record 920♥ 2 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source charlie sheen’s meltdown was probably the best part of it anyway idk source record 246♥ 917 Later-arriving source Two and a Half Men. I can't understand what anyone saw in that rubbish. posted about 15.6 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Good god that show was written for people with n IQ of 90\. Not even enjoyable to watch let alone funny. posted about 3.4 hours after the source♥ -9 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [How I Met Your Mother“big bang theory” · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-0-how-i-met-your-mother)[Young Sheldon and the spin-offs“big bang theory” · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-3-young-sheldon-and-the-spin-offs) #### What the counts show The exact phrase “i never understood” recurs across 3 of the 61 source records in Two and a Half Men; the complete archive stays available below. 61index entries 61distinct source records 8.8%of parent category 3.1%of the complete index 30top-level comments 31replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 59other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments61 preserved records · 61 of 61 source records accounted for **That was the style of Two and a Half Men, which was the show that immediately followed it and was the highest rated sitcom on tv for years.**♥ 7source record 178 **2 and a half men**♥ 4,281source record 245 **charlie sheen’s meltdown was probably the best part of it anyway idk**♥ 917source record 246 **The housekeeper was fun; i loved her sass**♥ 17source record 257 **All time petty ending though**♥ 48source record 258 **First few seasons are funny, like it's the kind of show you put in the background**♥ 183source record 259 **It was perfect for inflight entertainment back when that was a TV mounted on the roof of the cabin. Some decent jokes and minimum plot continuity.**♥ 55source record 260 **Yeah, not the absolute worst show ever. But it was the number one show on TV for so long. Like Seinfeld… and then 2 and a half men**♥ 9source record 262 **This is a poor take, hence hot take. This was not a great show by any means but it certainly wasn't a bad one. Bad would be Mulaney**♥ 91source record 265 **Hell nah, my favorite show ever. It doesn't take itself seriously at all and is hilarious.**♥ 17source record 267 **I'm probably in a minority, but I always thought Two and a Half Men was terrible. Crude, vulgar, obvious and unfunny.**♥ 51source record 443 **The fucking worst. And stupid so so stupid.**♥ 5source record 444 **Two and a Half Men**♥ 7source record 471 **Two and a half men. The show is just sexual jokes and innuendos with no sustenance.**♥ 46source record 474 **2 and a Half Men**♥ 74source record 489 **Two and a Half Men**♥ 42source record 493 **Two And A Half Men is one of the scariest shows ever made. Literally gave me the same feeling as a horror movie. SO unfunny and bad.**♥ 9source record 494 **Two and a half men, they turned Jon cryers character from a whiny man child into a pervy man child, it was barely funny with Charlie sheen in it, the only saving grace that show had was the house keeper and Melanie Lynskey as Rose**♥ 20source record 496 **Eh, I'd disagree. It's pretty mid although the seasons with Charlie Sheen are better than the ones with Ashton Kutcher imo. The ending is a masterwork of pettiness though, despite its general awfulness. As bad as Sheen got, Chuck Lorre is just as petty even if he isn't as much of a dumpster fire (he also wrote Big Bang Theory, whose quality is ymmv).**♥ 6source record 916 **It’s spiritual successor, anger management, turned out so good that i cant watch any episode of 2 1/2 men anymore, where most of what happens is allen being an idiot and made fun of by everyone, while anger management actually has quirky likeable characters all around and even some character development. Unfortunately they marketed it wrong, just saying “here is this new thing, all we let you know about it is its name, and charlie is in it with some explosions”**♥ 2source record 920 **Funny you say that. Pretty sure I left it on for background noise when I was in a hotel last time for work travel.**♥ 2source record 922 **I had never engaged with the show in any way, so when my friend told me the ending I thought he was bullshitting me to the highest degree. I cant imagine how a real network show ended like that, even now knowing the full story.**♥ 2source record 923 **I respect the sheer disrespect**♥ 2source record 926 **I never understood the appeal of this show**♥ 6source record 935 **They still put on reruns of that show on German TV every. single. weekday. It's been running for 20 years now. Weekday morings it's HIMYM, 2 1/2 men and Big Bang. I know that nobody watches television between 8 and 1, but if the alternative is to show a blank picture, then show the blank picture.**♥ 2source record 937 **Ugh; both shows really do suck tremendously**♥ 2source record 938 **That show was on FX all the time so I've seen a bunch of episodes. It's very obvious that the people making the show were good at their jobs. The problem was that their job was making trash. So I don't think it can be called the worst show because it was clearly made by competent people who understand sitcom TV, unlike some shows that are awful and look like they're made by people who are completely unfamiliar with TV as a medium. However, the height of its popularity was pretty nuts.**♥ 1source record 959 **I enjoyed the first season, but they ran out of funny ideas real quick**♥ 1source record 963 **And the theme song was a cute little jingle for me to dance to while I made my way over to the remote to change the channel.**♥ 1source record 970 **Damn I love both sitcom's first few seasons.**♥ 1source record 973 **Good god that show was written for people with n IQ of 90\. Not even enjoyable to watch let alone funny.**♥ -9source record 980 **Guess I have a low IQ. I loved that show lol**♥ 8source record 981 **I have a 79 IQ but yeah that show still sucks**♥ 9source record 982 **And incredibly sexist.**♥ 3source record 1425 **Two and a Half Men. I can't understand what anyone saw in that rubbish.**♥ 1source record 1467 **I'd say 2 and a half men.**♥ 11source record 1502 **Two and half men. So popular yet absolutely terrible.**♥ 3source record 1514 **Two and a Half Men**♥ 3source record 1516 **Two and a Half Men, but mostly anything Chuck Lorre ever did. Just 30 minutes of people insulting each other. Boring as shit.**♥ 3source record 1520 **I truly couldn’t understand why two and a half man is so popular**♥ 3source record 1522 **Two and a half men**♥ 3source record 1532 **Two and a Half Men... Hated it**♥ 1source record 1534 **Two and a half men**♥ 20source record 1540 **Two and a Half Men**♥ 26source record 1564 **Two and a half men**♥ 5source record 1584 **Two and a Half Men**♥ 12source record 1664 **Two and a Half Men, honestly. It had a few funny moments, but I never understood how it became such a massive hit.**♥ 3source record 1675 **Two and a half men**♥ 4source record 1676 **Two and a Half Men. Seasons 1-7 were gold, 8 was a little shaky, and everything after is literally unwatchable**♥ 2source record 1689 **two and a half men tied with how i met your mother**♥ 3source record 1711 **For me, it’s \*Two and a Half Men\*. I know it had a huge audience, but watching it now feels like someone stretched the same three jokes over 12 seasons and somehow got paid for all of them.**♥ 3source record 1713 **Two and a half man**♥ 16source record 1857 **“Two and a Half Men.” I know it’s hugely popular, but I’ve never understood how it stayed on the air for so long.**♥ 1source record 1881 **Two and a Half Men**♥ 3source record 2161 **For me it would probably be Two and a Half Men. I know a lot of people love it, but I never understood why it became such a huge hit. Some of the jokes feel repetitive and the characters can get annoying after a while. I tried watching a bunch of episodes but it just never clicked with me.**♥ 1source record 2183 **I’ve laughed at Big Bang Theory. Never laughed at Two and a Half Men. But maybe that’s because it sucked so much I barely watched it.**♥ 0source record 2461 **BBT at least had interesting characters. There was nothing redeemable about 2 and a half slop.**♥ 0source record 2466 **Time slot hit because it followed Everybody Loves Raymond.**♥ -2source record 2479 **I have watched and rewatched it multiple times, still funny. Can't bring myself to watch past the Charlie Sheen era though**♥ 0source record 2490 **Oh me either, though they did have a few good ones**♥ 0source record 2491 **2 and a half men Big bang theory**♥ 0source record 2743 Archive: 61 index entries preserve 61 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Two Broke Girls126 index entriesThe answer commenters most often explain by pointing at something other than the writing. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Two Broke Girls Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Two Broke Girls 126 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1763 **Claim context:** Two Broke Girls **Why it matters:** The answer commenters most often explain by pointing at something other than the writing. The criticisms are consistent — dialogue delivered at a shout, every line built as a set-up or a punchline with no conversation between them, and supporting characters whose entire function several records describe as an accent or a stereotype. The explanation offered for its six seasons, over and over, is the appearance of its leads, which commenters state bluntly enough that it becomes its own thread. **What readers reported:** Two Broke Girls. The cast had talent and the premise had potential, but so much of the humor relied on repetitive stereotypes and predictable punchlines. Its popularity always felt bigger than the quality of the writing. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** A real defence exists inside the node: records that liked it as undemanding television, and a longer argument that it was one of the few sitcoms to show characters who were actually short of money rather than affluent people pretending not to be. What the replies added4 I have the opposite problem with law and order svu. I really liked the show when it first came out and watched for a long time but then one episode I noticed how much Benson whispers her lines, a lot if the time for no reason and since then everytime i watched it id get irrationally annoyed by it to the point t I juat stopped watching it altogether. Pushback♥ 5 Nah I actually appreciated how they acted actually broke, not like every other show where they sit there drinking coffee , or god forbid eating! at a cafe. No one who's broke can actually afford that and it drives me fucking crazy Reported failure♥ 611 God, this. It's my metric for the madness/badness of studio decision making. Many a time I've found myself going "can you believe they cancelled X after just Y seasons when Two Broke Girls got 6?" Reported failure♥ 96 Just off-dome 2 Broke Girls and Two and a Half Men from the same network and time period alone were worse than Big Bang Theory. Reported failure♥ 55 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I have a soft spot for Kat Dennings acting sassy, but yeah - that show was just awful. source record 172♥ 2,056 Later-arriving source It’s way better watching the highlight clips than trying to sit through and actual episode posted about 15.6 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source I will always maintain that the writing on that show was pretty good and Kat was halfway decent, but the actual execution was embarrassingly bad. Whoever that director is should never find work again. posted about 7.0 hours after the source♥ -2 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Frasier, Cheers and the rebootTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot)[Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[SeinfeldTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld) #### What the counts show Across 126 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 126index entries 126distinct source records 18.1%of parent category 6.3%of the complete index 30top-level comments 96replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 9asks a question 0says they intend to try it 116other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Attach it to an existing routine **3**Turn it into a game **3** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments126 preserved records · 126 of 126 source records accounted for **Two Broke Girls**♥ 4,493source record 168 **I have a soft spot for Kat Dennings acting sassy, but yeah - that show was just awful.**♥ 2,056source record 172 **I think she's the only reason the show got to be as popular as it was. She's funny and beautiful. Everything else was just horrible**♥ 1,153source record 173 **I'm not sure she's funny or not. For me I couldn't tell with that show at all. So...forced and contrived. Never liked it. My wife tried to get into it so it was on occasionally. I just couldn't do it.**♥ 266source record 174 **I dont think the writers were very good at being funny. They just wrote jokes that had some level of shock value. Lots of sexual innuendos and naughty girl stuff is what made the show somewhat popular.**♥ 170source record 175 **It was like if a sitcom was written by morning "zoo crew" radio DJs.**♥ 7source record 176 **That’s Whitney Cummings lol**♥ 13source record 177 **The problem with that show was neither of those two were funny and the concept was infantile.**♥ 7source record 179 **IMO Kat Dennings and her character were annoying as well. She was the wise-cracking character and she was so often all giddy waiting before she brought in the punchline.**♥ 19source record 180 **Yeah - not only was the writing bad (IMO) - the timing just wasn't ever there. Oh well.**♥ 11source record 181 **But she's terrible in that show. If I'd only ever seen her in that, I'd have no idea she could act.**♥ 8source record 182 **She can't.**♥ 17source record 183 **I only watched it for Beth Behrs. Good Lord she was/is fine. She’s the reason I love legs so much**♥ 231source record 184 **Its the perfect show, its got Kat for boobs guys, and Beth for legs guys, and Stiflers mom for the milf crowd.**♥ 381source record 185 **The weird thing is, I always thought her acting and delivery in that show is terrible, and I like her in other things.**♥ 12source record 190 **She’s the two reasons the show is popular**♥ 6source record 191 **I love Garrett Morris and will watch him in anything**♥ 99source record 192 **it had moments where it was funny, but most jokes seemed to really be forced into the script.**♥ 4source record 193 **I only ever saw a couple episodes of that show while I was in hospital on morphine and for some reason Eric Andre lived inside like a robot(?) dumpster or something. Is that something that happened on that show?**♥ 103source record 194 **That is in fact something that happened in the show, he converted a dumpster into an apartment and lived in it outside the diner briefly.**♥ 59source record 195 **He lived inside of a city garbage can. So not like a tiny one, but like one of those huge garbage dumps that you see, the big ass green ones. Honestly, and I’ll probably get a lot of shit for this, I didn’t think the show was that bad. I thought it was pretty funny. It was light and it was stupid and that’s what I want in a show like that. It doesn’t need to be an Oscar winning, dramatic piece of like constant highbrow humor.**♥ 154source record 196 **People who really hate the show sure do seem to have watched a lot of it.**♥ 77source record 197 **I feel the same way. Ngl the constant sex jokes got annoying after awhile, but it wasn't the worst show out there. It was a comedy. The kind of show to turn off your brain and laugh for a half hour. If anything it's realistic. There was an episode in the later seasons where Max's boyfriend hurt his foot on... I think a nail? on the floor of her apartment, something she couldn't afford to fix, and the boyfriend got mad because no one should have to live that way... BINGO. Some people do live that way. There are people out there working full time, paycheck to paycheck, hoping they don't get hit with some kind of emergency that they don't have extra money to afford. That was Max and Caroline. People are turning hobbies into side hustling for survival (Max making cupcakes). Caroline having to get a second job at the baking school to afford Max's tuition. Their cupcake store not making it was a big hit in the face of reality that just because you open a business doesn't mean you'll be successful. The main characters just had more laughs about it instead of being depressed.**♥ 16source record 198 **Nah I actually appreciated how they acted actually broke, not like every other show where they sit there drinking coffee , or god forbid eating! at a cafe. No one who's broke can actually afford that and it drives me fucking crazy**♥ 611source record 199 **Caroline always had some rich person hack from her former days- like remembering her window without a burglary alarm trip so they could sneak in her former home and load up, getting the Lamborghini and driving it before it was impounded, keeping her horse in the backyard.**♥ 24source record 200 **I hated that show. For some reason the entire cast was screaming their dialog. More like Two Loud Girls.**♥ 125source record 218 **I love Kat Denning. My (adult) daughter got me to watch a couple of episodes when it came out and I couldn't believe how awful it was. I bet her $5 that the show was going to absolutely flop and never get a 2nd season. I underestimated the overwhelming draw of Kat Denning's breasts. It's the only thing that makes sense.**♥ 311source record 222 **This. The acting was so awful. Kat's unwavering commitment to show off her cleavage in every scene was the silver lining.**♥ 525source record 223 **That’s the only reason that show lasted as long as it did**♥ 274source record 224 **I can't believe this show got 37 seasons and 2 movies. Horny men will watch anything.**♥ 62source record 225 **My dad used to watch this show religiously and everyone in the family would make fun of how bad it was. We never understood how he could sit through multiple episodes. In hindsight he was probably just watching it for the cleavage lol**♥ 94source record 227 **I find it crazy that Kat Denning is considered a good actress (jugs notwithstanding). I find her so wooden in everything I’ve seen her in. She recites her lines like a minor character in a middle school play.**♥ 157source record 228 **I think she's a perfect example of an actress I think is \*fine\* in everything I've seen her in but never stands out in any way.**♥ 13source record 230 **God, this. It's my metric for the madness/badness of studio decision making. Many a time I've found myself going "can you believe they cancelled X after just Y seasons when Two Broke Girls got 6?"**♥ 96source record 231 **It lasted SIX seasons?!**♥ 7source record 232 **It ran from 2011 to 2017\. 138 episodes. I just looked it up. I’m as amazed as you are.**♥ 6source record 233 **That show was terrible. It was as basically “mildly amusing statement “ CANNED LAUGHTER HAHAHABBAHABA” “mildly amusing reply” CANNED LAUGHTER HAHAHAHAHA”**♥ 19source record 234 **Kat Dennings has nice jugs. That’s why.**♥ 155source record 235 **It’s a terrible show, zero plot, nothing happens, but I’ve gotta give it up to the writers. Every single line is a punchline or a setup for the next line to be a punchline. They don’t even have conversations, it’s just set-up…joke. Set-up….joke**♥ 6source record 236 **I call it idiot TV. We might as well watch people open random suitcases.**♥ 8source record 237 **Two broke girls**♥ 5source record 282 **Two Broke Girls**♥ 253source record 382 **two broke girls**♥ 328source record 399 **2 broke girls**♥ 6source record 456 **2 Broke Girls… how tf did that show stay on for so long?**♥ 8source record 457 **2 broke girls, no one could act on that show**♥ 6source record 472 **2 Broke Girls was the first thing that came to my mind. I remember when it came out, but then it just kept going...**♥ 17source record 473 **Would 2 Broke Girls count? I hated that show! I feel like that should have only been 2 episodes at most.**♥ 5source record 491 **Same. It was obviously meant to be an over the top comedy with ham fisted lines - they literally don’t even try to hide it, and that’s what I loved about it. And yet at the same time, despite the obvious over the top jokes and telegraphed set ups, the main characters and how they act are some of the more authentic and relatable I’ve seen in a comedy.**♥ 7source record 786 **I remember being in middle school and high school living in a house without cable to satellite TV. I was at the mercy of whatever was being aired on the local channels. 2 Broke Girls was one of the only shows that was on consistently. I think it was on at least every night, with many night featuring multiple reruns in a row. Despite this, and despite the fact that the show had 6 seasons, I don't think I ever saw more than maybe two dozen episodes, if that. I can only tell you the general premise of the show. I can't say where it ever went, what actually ends up happening, or if there was ever a point. Every time I see a clip today, or even saw an episode back then, it always felt like the exact same episode as the previous one. I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.**♥ 3source record 788 **Any scene with the shop owner. "Asian stereotype joke HAHAHAA! Short joke HAHAHAH!" I mean those subjects aren't off limits to me but they just weren't funny jokes**♥ 3source record 790 **Absolutely. I don’t get it. She doesn’t seem like a good actress to me at all**♥ 4source record 792 **That show proves horny men would probably watch a turd in a toilet if some cleavage was on screen.**♥ 7source record 796 **Hell yeah, dad. Thats why I initially got into the show as a dude. Love me some Kat Dennings, so i checked it out. Regularly.**♥ 10source record 800 **I’ve seen a total of about 4 minutes of this show and if there’s a good actor on it, you’d never know if you had only seen them here. Horribly paced and delivered lines, no feel or timing for how to say a punchline, just obvious and bad setup lines for those punchlines. So bad**♥ 3source record 807 **Every clip I see of that show has the most obnoxious dialogue, acting, and laugh track. Quite possibly a contender for unfunniest show from what I’ve seen**♥ 3source record 808 **I tried to watch that show because I love Kat Dennings but even she couldn't make it watchable for me**♥ 3source record 812 **It's great for throwing on while you're doing other stuff. There's nothing super deep that you need to pay close attention to and I think that's the whole point. It's a little crass and trashy but I liked it well enough to finish it so no hate from me.**♥ 3source record 813 **I’ve only seen clips scrolling, but every time one of them pop up I laugh 🤷🏻‍♀️**♥ 1source record 814 **Go watch any random clip on YouTube and tell me I'm wrong 😂 It's like they couldn't afford microphones for the audience.**♥ 3source record 820 **I'm not denying anything! That show was a guilty pleasure of mine, but it was nothing but quip, quip, quip ... smiling while saying the "punchline" then wait for applause and cut to commercial. It was like a high school play that all your friends are in. It's not great, but it's a fun way to spend a weeknight.**♥ 4source record 821 **It is. She is a much better actress than she is on that show**♥ 5source record 822 **They show reruns on German tv. I cannot stand the show!!**♥ 7source record 824 **It took me a while to get into it by end up, loving the show. But I always thought Kat acted robotic whatever role she’s in. I mean, I do like her, but does anyone else see the robotic acting?**♥ 2source record 830 **It's hard to explain, but I would have a visceral reaction of utter loathing if I was flipping through channels and this popped up for even a second. I never actually watched the show to find out if there were any redeeming qualities, because I couldn't get over that immediate reaction.**♥ 2source record 831 **Uggghhhh this show! I had to act like I liked it because it was one of my older sister's favorite shows when she had cancer. It drove me NUTS but I put up with it for her.**♥ 2source record 832 **I dunno, I found it grating. Yeah, funny sometimes, but every line doesn't need to be a sarcastic deadpan response**♥ 2source record 833 **Denning \*can\* act but I appreciate that she's not going to put effort into something with terrible writing she's doing for a paycheck.**♥ 2source record 834 **He was the best part 💯**♥ 2source record 835 **I watched it all, I think the writing is terrible. But it was on when me and my wife went to bed, so we kinda just kept watching it. It's ok to fall asleep, and I liked some of the actors. But again, that writing is god awful**♥ 2source record 836 **I thought it was pretty funny.**♥ 3source record 844 **I love Kat Dennings, can’t stand Beth Behrs, and hate the non-stop racism/sexism in the show. Start with Kat Dennings and you’ve got a show with potential. Add the other ingredients and its potential drops quickly. Mayyybe it would have worked in the 90s. But I don’t think so.**♥ 1source record 849 **I want to like it so bad. I never do.**♥ 1source record 861 **The Chef whose name I forget was way more fun to watch once you saw the actor in an interview.**♥ 1source record 868 **The whole show is written around Kat Dennings being sassy and poor. Like every single joke is that.**♥ 1source record 869 **I loved it**♥ 1source record 871 **I mean, I don't need high brow humor constantly but there were characters like, the Asian guy who's character was his funny accent, or the black guy who's character was being visually and vocally an Old Brother Man. It felt like, a sitcom, but worse than usual due to an odd forced number of stereotypes in every direction.**♥ 1source record 873 **She has big boobs**♥ 1source record 875 **no, she has a big rack. That is why it stayed on air.**♥ 1source record 876 **It's not oustanding cinema, sure. But funny. One joke after another. Kat was cool as she stuck to her principles. I thought there was pretty good chemistry between the two main actresses. The blonde one was just hot. I hated that diner cook and that blonde foreign woman most of the time, but Han vs. Kat was hilarious. This show was pretty good and worth a 30 minutes indulgence now and then!**♥ 0source record 880 **It's the other one who's horrible. She was also the weakest actor on The Neighborhood. Although she wasn't the only reason 2 Broke Girls was bad, just mind boggling that show stuck around for 8 years.**♥ 1source record 882 **I just saw a YouTube channel dedicated to that show, probably by the studio. The focus of the video is on the male eye candy/potential love interest of the titular characters.**♥ 1source record 941 **I didn't think it was that bad, but I never had the sound on**♥ 1source record 943 **I did not hate it, and got decently invested in the two main characters. It wasn't anything special, and soke aspects of it were obnoxious, but it was watchable. Except for that one season, I can't remember which, that was basically only sexual innuendos, constantly, there were no jokes of a different nature. That was truly awful.**♥ 1source record 944 **There was really two big reasons why one would watch that show**♥ 1source record 945 **There are a lot of shows where the dialogue seems very script-y and doesn't sound like how people talk. But Two Broke Girls was like that but they were just reading the script that's being held up off camera and not putting any effort in**♥ 1source record 947 **Horrible, horrible show.**♥ 1source record 948 **My sister said that Kat Dennings' tits carried that show on their back lol**♥ 1source record 950 **I enjoyed this show. I work in the middle of no where and this on at 3-4am. This and religious television, maybe it was the isolation but I enjoyed this show.**♥ 1source record 952 **I watched one episode after exhausting other options on a 15 hour flight. Ar that time, it scored high in the "so bad it's good" metric. Fast forward one week. I rented the same episode so my wife and I could enjoy a good-natured train wreck together......dude. Removed from the "trapped in the sky" environment, that show had all the charm.ofca traumatic brain injury.**♥ 1source record 954 **The thing I love about 2 broke girls is you can tell Kat Dennings knows how stupid the show and script are and a certain disdain for the entire project, but she only breaks 20-30%. When she breaks, it is frequently as though she is seeing the lines for the first time and internally going "they wrote that and it got out of the room and Standards and Practices didn't care?" And Kat giggles or scoffs, not Max.**♥ 1source record 956 **This show was best watched with the audio muted.**♥ 1source record 961 **If a headache was a sitcom**♥ 1source record 964 **It’s way better watching the highlight clips than trying to sit through and actual episode**♥ 1source record 967 **Just off-dome 2 Broke Girls and Two and a Half Men from the same network and time period alone were worse than Big Bang Theory.**♥ 55source record 1280 **2 broke girls was on a completely different level of garbage to the other 2 shows**♥ 5source record 1282 **I agree omg i do not find the show funny at all**♥ 5source record 1325 **2 Broke Girls. The jokes were one-liners and were yelled.**♥ 4source record 1383 **The answer is always “two broke girls”.**♥ 5source record 1384 **Two Broke Girls had 6 seasons and over 100 episodes. Truly some of the worst TV ever.**♥ 4source record 1386 **2 Broke Girls did SIX SEASONS! SIX!**♥ 1source record 1391 **Two Broke Girls is worse, and Reddit seems fine with that. Perhaps because boobs. All of the responses here prove my point, though... Redditors hate TBBT. Which is fine. Taste is subjective. But acting like something is objectively bad because of subjective taste is pretty silly, and something that occurs more frequently on Reddit than any other social media platform. It's really highly focused hate on anything popular: TV (TBBT), video games (Call of Duty, EA's sports games), music (TSwift), movies (La La Land, most Nolan films), etc.**♥ 4source record 1438 **Two Broke Girls.**♥ 35source record 1468 **America: 2 Broke Girls UK: Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 32source record 1471 **Two Broke Girls**♥ 3source record 1519 **2 broke girls. Painful to watch**♥ 4source record 1544 **Two Broke Girls**♥ 5source record 1545 **Two Broke Girls has to be the worst sitcom ever.**♥ 5source record 1551 **Two Broke Girls**♥ 8source record 1553 **2 Broke Girls in recent times. I dont know anything that comes close after 2000\. Earlier, there is more stuff you can choose from.**♥ 3source record 1570 **2 Broke Girls was awful and inexplicably on air for more than a season.**♥ 3source record 1632 **I think the only reason this isn’t being cited here more often than, say, Friends or Big Bang is that it was so awful no one ever watched it at all.**♥ 2source record 1634 **Well, it got several seasons, how? I don't know. Kat Dennings is very beautiful and buxom. I certainly think that contributed to it.**♥ 6source record 1635 **Thank you! I came to say this. My parents ts loved this show. They tried to get me to watch it and it just sucked.**♥ 1source record 1656 **2 Broke Girl. I watched one episode when it debuted and was sure this shits gonna get canceled. Next thing I know they’re co-hosting the People’s Choice Awards. Stunningly terrible writing and acting. It went on for 6 more seasons. Embarrassing reflection on American culture.**♥ 3source record 1663 **Two Broke Girls. The cast had talent and the premise had potential, but so much of the humor relied on repetitive stereotypes and predictable punchlines. Its popularity always felt bigger than the quality of the writing.**♥ 3source record 1763 **2 Broke Girls**♥ 1source record 1848 **2 Broke Girls**♥ 1source record 1849 **The show is pretty r Terrible its true. Kat Dennings humour is the only redeeming feature, well, that and her tits.**♥ 1source record 1944 **I dont get 2 broke girls**♥ 2source record 1955 **The one with the two waitresses where every joke just seemed to be about how they had massive jugs**♥ 1source record 2090 **Two Broke Girls**♥ 1source record 2196 **Two Broke Girls was the dumbest show in decades. Even worse than 2½ Men - which is really saying something.**♥ 1source record 2197 **2 broke girls**♥ 1source record 2198 **Loud and wrong 😠**♥ 0source record 2481 **I will always maintain that the writing on that show was pretty good and Kat was halfway decent, but the actual execution was embarrassingly bad. Whoever that director is should never find work again.**♥ -2source record 2550 Archive: 126 index entries preserve 126 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Young Sheldon and the spin-offs16 index entriesThe spin-off that turns up as a defence more often than as an answer, and the records that name it anyway. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Young Sheldon and the spin-offs Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Young Sheldon and the spin-offs 16 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1249 **Claim context:** Young Sheldon and the spin-offs **Why it matters:** The spin-off turns up in this thread more often as a rebuttal than as an answer. Commenters who dislike the parent show repeatedly report liking this one, and explain the difference the same way: the child version of the character is written to be likeable and the adult version is not. A few records name it and its own spin-offs as answers in their own right. **What readers reported:** Young Sheldon works by having the kid actually likeable. That's it. He's still an idiot, and written in-show as someone who pisses people off, but he's written in a way where you do actually want him to succeed and get out of bad situations he himself caused. In contrast, Sheldon in Big Bang is deliberately written to be \*un\*likeable. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The dissent runs in both directions here. Two records say the spin-offs are worse than the original, and one says the show has no redeeming qualities at all, against a majority in this node defending it. What the replies added2 Yeah i think it's a really good look at middle America and how hard you can work and try to do right and how easily it can come crashing down and turn your decent family into Texas Trash really quick. From the replies♥ 13 Tbf it also shows the issues cultural pressure cause too. Mary could have gotten an abortion, Mandy ABSOLUTELY should have. Georgie ends up as a dad at 17 to a 29 year old wife because that somehow made more sense than her just getting an abortion and everyone pretending it didn’t happen. Cultural shame led to said situation. From the replies♥ 6 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Young Sheldon is surprisingly deep, when you consider that Sheldon had a fairly problematic upbringing, a dead father, and siblings that had to suffer and adapt around having a genius brother. I liked both TBBT and YS, but they're so different that it's at times surprising that they're based on each other. source record 386♥ 123 Later-arriving source young sheldon is soo much better than big bang theory posted about 15.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source young shelon has literally zero redeeming qualities posted about 11.9 hours after the source #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [How I Met Your Mother“big bang theory” · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-0-how-i-met-your-mother)[Two and a Half Men“big bang theory” · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-1-two-and-a-half-men) #### What the counts show The exact phrase “big bang theory” recurs across 3 of the 16 source records in Young Sheldon and the spin-offs; the complete archive stays available below. 16index entries 16distinct source records 2.3%of parent category 0.8%of the complete index 4top-level comments 12replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 15other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments16 preserved records · 16 of 16 source records accounted for **Young Sheldon is surprisingly deep, when you consider that Sheldon had a fairly problematic upbringing, a dead father, and siblings that had to suffer and adapt around having a genius brother. I liked both TBBT and YS, but they're so different that it's at times surprising that they're based on each other.**♥ 123source record 386 **Yeah i think it's a really good look at middle America and how hard you can work and try to do right and how easily it can come crashing down and turn your decent family into Texas Trash really quick.**♥ 13source record 387 **Tbf it also shows the issues cultural pressure cause too. Mary could have gotten an abortion, Mandy ABSOLUTELY should have. Georgie ends up as a dad at 17 to a 29 year old wife because that somehow made more sense than her just getting an abortion and everyone pretending it didn’t happen. Cultural shame led to said situation.**♥ 6source record 388 **This makes Young Sheldon sound like a bug fix for Big Bang Theory**♥ 5source record 392 **I never watched TBBT. But I did watch Young Sheldon and I was surprised by how much I liked it.**♥ 26source record 840 **I can't believe the creator of Two and a Half Men and TBBT also created YS... although I guess he's just credited by the concept/characters? YS is really a series with a big heart.**♥ 6source record 841 **it's actually amazing how good Young Sheldon is compared to Big Bang Theory.**♥ 1source record 1095 **Somewhat ironically I think Young Sheldon was the better show.**♥ 1source record 1097 **My tween daughter discovered Young Sheldon and I almost told her to stop watching since I thought BBT was such a god awful show. I finally sat down and watched an episode and was struck by how warm and charming and earnest it is. It's like what BBT should be.**♥ 3source record 1189 **Young Sheldon is not too bad**♥ 5source record 1221 **Its funny, I get shorts of young Sheldon a lot on youtube. The Sheldon plots feel like an entirely different show than the ones about the family with no sheldon**♥ 1source record 1244 **Young Sheldon works by having the kid actually likeable. That's it. He's still an idiot, and written in-show as someone who pisses people off, but he's written in a way where you do actually want him to succeed and get out of bad situations he himself caused. In contrast, Sheldon in Big Bang is deliberately written to be \*un\*likeable.**♥ 1source record 1249 **Young Sheldon**♥ 1source record 1753 **young sheldon is soo much better than big bang theory**♥ 1source record 1882 **Young Sheldon, and runner up is whatever the new spinoff is. Big Bang was ok, even**♥ 2source record 1915 **young shelon has literally zero redeeming qualities**♥ 0source record 2034 Archive: 16 index entries preserve 16 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Dharma & Greg14 index entriesNamed as an answer three times and defended nine, mostly by people calling it their comfort show. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Dharma & Greg Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Dharma & Greg 14 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1498 **Claim context:** Dharma & Greg **Why it matters:** Named three times as an answer and discussed nine more times as a defence. The criticism is the premise itself, summarised by one commenter as two opposite caricatures colliding every week. Several records also note that the characters have dated in an unexpected direction, with the political types they were built on no longer matching the people they were meant to satirise. **What readers reported:** "Look how free and spiritual I am!" "I love you because I'm the opposite - I'm so grounded in reality and afraid to leave my comfort zone!" \*wacky scenarios ensue\* **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Most of the records in this node are affectionate. Commenters call it a comfort show, praise the lead performance, and one describes the kindness in it as something they needed to see at the time. What the replies added1 "Look how free and spiritual I am!" "I love you because I'm the opposite - I'm so grounded in reality and afraid to leave my comfort zone!" \*wacky scenarios ensue\* Pushback♥ 31 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I liked Dharma and Greg. The first season anyway. Jenna Elfman was adorable and very funny. source record 241♥ 55 Later-arriving source I loved dharma and greg, at the time I was also a fan of Ally McBeal. Looking back, I don't know what was wrong with me, I must have caught a nasty dose of basic bitch posted about 15.4 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source It jumped the shark when she went platinum posted about 13.0 hours after the source♥ 2 #### What the counts show Within 14 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 14index entries 14distinct source records 2%of parent category 0.7%of the complete index 3top-level comments 11replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 13other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments14 preserved records · 14 of 14 source records accounted for **I liked Dharma and Greg. The first season anyway. Jenna Elfman was adorable and very funny.**♥ 55source record 241 **Dharma and Greg?! How dare you 😭😭 I loved that cheesy show**♥ 16source record 244 **And Dharma and Greg! I loved that show**♥ 27source record 839 **It jumped the shark when she went platinum**♥ 2source record 925 **I loved dharma and greg, at the time I was also a fan of Ally McBeal. Looking back, I don't know what was wrong with me, I must have caught a nasty dose of basic bitch**♥ 1source record 965 **I think Dharma and Greg was good.**♥ 4source record 1222 **Dharma and Greg**♥ 34source record 1497 **"Look how free and spiritual I am!" "I love you because I'm the opposite - I'm so grounded in reality and afraid to leave my comfort zone!" \*wacky scenarios ensue\***♥ 31source record 1498 **Ooh that was my comfort show**♥ 18source record 1499 **Dharma and Greg**♥ 13source record 1554 **Dharma and Greg was a fun show, kinda cheesy, but fun.**♥ 2source record 1613 **I don't really remember the show at this point and I'm sure it was terrible, but I liked it at the time because Greg's kindness and gentleness towards Dharma's quirkiness was what I needed to see in my early 20s. Genuine love and acceptance of a person just as they are was foreign to me, and I still don't see a lot of that in media.**♥ 2source record 1620 **Me too. Weird thing though: the caricatures are now very dated. Progressive people are not free spirited anymore, but very uptight (usually with a good reason). Conservative people are not elitist anymore, but (pretend to) claim to be on the side of the people. The caricatures were already a bit dated when it aired actually.**♥ 2source record 1625 **Dharma and Greg**♥ -1source record 2041 Archive: 14 index entries preserve 14 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Mom13 index entriesThe show the thread interrupts itself to defend when someone condemns the whole catalogue. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Mom Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Mom 13 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 366 **Claim context:** Mom **Why it matters:** The show the thread interrupts itself to defend. It appears almost entirely inside the answers condemning a producer's whole catalogue, as the exception those commenters want carved out: records praise the size of its cast of flawed women, the lead performance, and the fact that it tries to show what recovery is actually like. **What readers reported:** I feel a small need to defend \*Mom\* here. It's genuinely enjoyable, Allison Janney is amazing as usual, and I'm not sure we've ever gotten a show with such a large cast of flawed complex women. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The one complaint inside the node is about the laughter track over the top of that material, which one commenter says finally made the show unwatchable for them despite having enjoyed it for years. What the replies added2 Agree. I’m no where close to the demographic of that show and it’s brilliant performances and solid writing. It’s a show my partner has on the background all the time and I love it. You can step into the show at any time and be entertained. From the replies♥ 53 This show is fucking awesome. Janney is by far the best part, but its so nice to have a show actually try to capture what being in recovery is like. From the replies♥ 47 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I feel a small need to defend \*Mom\* here. It's genuinely enjoyable, Allison Janney is amazing as usual, and I'm not sure we've ever gotten a show with such a large cast of flawed complex women. source record 366♥ 302 Later-arriving source Mom is good, but the laugh track is insufferable. I used to enjoy the show, and the last time I watched it, I couldn't make it through an episode. :( posted about 15.0 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source I really liked it, only the final season was a bit meh but it wasn't their fault, the main actress had to attend to personal affairs and sometimes things just have to go that way. posted about 9.9 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “the final season” recurs across 2 of the 13 source records in Mom; the complete archive stays available below. 13index entries 13distinct source records 1.9%of parent category 0.7%of the complete index 1top-level comments 12replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 12other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments13 preserved records · 13 of 13 source records accounted for **I feel a small need to defend \*Mom\* here. It's genuinely enjoyable, Allison Janney is amazing as usual, and I'm not sure we've ever gotten a show with such a large cast of flawed complex women.**♥ 302source record 366 **Agree. I’m no where close to the demographic of that show and it’s brilliant performances and solid writing. It’s a show my partner has on the background all the time and I love it. You can step into the show at any time and be entertained.**♥ 53source record 367 **While I actually have liked Chuck Lorre sitcoms off and on, I must join in your vociferous defense of \*Mom.\* It takes heavy, heavy stuff, and gives you just enough perspective to laugh about it - maybe because crying is sometimes too hard. I continue to love Allison Janney in nearly everything she does, but the rest of that cast was just phenomenal. I hate that Anna Faris left before the last season, but they managed to wrap it up nicely, even without her. The writing on this show just HAS to come from experience. I’m grateful for it, but it makes me very sad for what they must’ve gone through to gain that wisdom.**♥ 31source record 368 **This show is fucking awesome. Janney is by far the best part, but its so nice to have a show actually try to capture what being in recovery is like.**♥ 47source record 369 **The only one I could watch was Mom.**♥ 6source record 900 **I feel like Mom remained watchable because even though the characters were largely absurd, they actually grew and underneath the absurdity was a fairly positive moral about learning from the past and trying to be better.**♥ 2source record 901 **As a fifty-eight year old single dude I can 100% agree with you. Very well written show with a great cast.**♥ 3source record 1187 **I’m pretty sure that Allison Janney could save any show. But it did seem that the writing on Mom was very different from Lorre’s other shows too. I suspect that Gemma Baker had a pretty strong hand on the tiller for that show, but it was Lorre’s name that had sway with network execs, so it was officially co-created and co-run by both of them.**♥ 1source record 1241 **I really liked it, only the final season was a bit meh but it wasn't their fault, the main actress had to attend to personal affairs and sometimes things just have to go that way.**♥ 1source record 1242 **Honestly, I didn't totally mind the final season. Christy already felt almost unnecessary in Season 7 (it seemed like her major plot that season was being horny and needing a date) so it didn't feel that different for her to not be there anymore.**♥ 3source record 1243 **Mom is good, but the laugh track is insufferable. I used to enjoy the show, and the last time I watched it, I couldn't make it through an episode. :(**♥ 1source record 1248 **Mom is honestly great**♥ 41source record 1488 **Mom**♥ 1source record 1931 Archive: 13 index entries preserve 13 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Bob Hearts Abishola8 index entriesA short argument about whether the premise is sweet or is the same formula again. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Bob Hearts Abishola Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Bob Hearts Abishola 8 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1185 **Claim context:** Bob Hearts Abishola **Why it matters:** A short, contained argument. One record calls it the dumbest show ever made and another says the leads had no chemistry and the supporting cast was not funny. Against that, several commenters describe it as the only show in its producer's catalogue they can still watch, and praise the cultural gap between the two leads as a premise. **What readers reported:** I do think one of his newer shows, Bob Hearts Abishola, is pretty cute. Not an all-timer or anything but it’s got a good cast and a nice premise. Basically a kinda goofy white guy falls in love with his Nigerian nurse, and the show is all about how they navigate their relationship with all the massive cultural differences between them. Simple, sweet, and nice to have on in the background. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The sharpest line in the node comes from the Mike & Molly thread, where a commenter reads it as the same formula moved onto a new difference between the two leads. What the replies added2 Bob ❤️ Abishola. I never watched either, both looked. . .not very good 😑 From the replies♥ 3 They had Zero chemistry together and the supporting characters were terrible actors and unfunny From the replies #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source The only one I seem to be able to stomach is Bob ❤️ Abishola. I don't know why but its pretty cute, especially Bob's relationship with Abishola's family. source record 899♥ 5 Later-arriving source Mike took that same formula to another show. Hey did you know I'm white? And your black? The craziness! posted about 15.4 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source They had Zero chemistry together and the supporting characters were terrible actors and unfunny posted about 12.6 hours after the source #### What the counts show The exact phrase “abishola is pretty” recurs across 2 of the 8 source records in Bob Hearts Abishola; the complete archive stays available below. 8index entries 8distinct source records 1.1%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 1top-level comments 7replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 7other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments8 preserved records · 8 of 8 source records accounted for **It’s pretty ironic you say that because he’s on another show where he loses all the weight and Mary’s a black lady. Honestly, I’m gonna make that my submission for this post not sure what the show is called, but that show went on one season too long.**♥ 3source record 523 **Bob ❤️ Abishola. I never watched either, both looked. . .not very good 😑**♥ 3source record 524 **The only one I seem to be able to stomach is Bob ❤️ Abishola. I don't know why but its pretty cute, especially Bob's relationship with Abishola's family.**♥ 5source record 899 **I do think one of his newer shows, Bob Hearts Abishola, is pretty cute. Not an all-timer or anything but it’s got a good cast and a nice premise. Basically a kinda goofy white guy falls in love with his Nigerian nurse, and the show is all about how they navigate their relationship with all the massive cultural differences between them. Simple, sweet, and nice to have on in the background.**♥ 3source record 1185 **Bob hearts Abishola is pretty enduring even if it has a really dumb name.**♥ 2source record 1211 **Bob Hearts Abishola DUMBEST. SHOW. EVER!!**♥ 1source record 2297 **Mike took that same formula to another show. Hey did you know I'm white? And your black? The craziness!**♥ 1source record 2358 **They had Zero chemistry together and the supporting characters were terrible actors and unfunny**♥ 0source record 2773 Archive: 8 index entries preserve 8 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Chuck Lorre, as a body of work32 index entriesAnswers that name a producer rather than a programme, and the correction the thread kept issuing about which shows are his. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Chuck Lorre, as a body of work Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Chuck Lorre, as a body of work 32 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1186 **Claim context:** Chuck Lorre, as a body of work **Why it matters:** Records that answer with a producer rather than a programme. The recurring criticism is a pattern rather than an episode: commenters describe shows that start from a workable idea, hold up for about a season, and then repeat themselves until they end. The node also carries the correction the thread kept issuing — that one of the three shows being blamed on him was created by somebody else. **What readers reported:** I always find with Chuck Lorre shows that they start off with a good concept and are solid for about a season, and then wildly deteriorate until you are begging for it to end. Viz: Dharma and Greg, Cybil, Grace Under Fire. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The same commenters routinely exempt individual titles from their own blanket answer, naming the recovery sitcom, the prequel and one or two nineties shows as work they think is good, and one notes he was among the few people who could still get a multi-camera sitcom commissioned at all. What the replies added3 I immediately started thinking of the CBS shows from the 2000-2010s (2 and a half men, Big Bang, Dharma and Greg, 2 Broke Girls...) but aren't they all Chuck Lorre shows? Damn, that guy made a hell of a living by catering to dumb as shit people. Reported failure♥ 954 2 Broke Girls is Whitney Cummings. The others are indeed Chuck Lorre shows. Reported failure♥ 81 I'm totally on board with what you're saying, but \*2 Broke Girls\* wasn't made by Chuck Lorre Reported failure♥ 5 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I immediately started thinking of the CBS shows from the 2000-2010s (2 and a half men, Big Bang, Dharma and Greg, 2 Broke Girls...) but aren't they all Chuck Lorre shows? Damn, that guy made a hell of a living by catering to dumb as shit people. source record 238♥ 954 Later-arriving source I'm totally on board with what you're saying, but \*2 Broke Girls\* wasn't made by Chuck Lorre posted about 14.2 hours after the source♥ 5 Zero-like source If you want to get rich, find a way to cater to dumb people. posted about 11.5 hours after the source♥ -3 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “dharma and greg” recurs across 3 of the 32 source records in Chuck Lorre, as a body of work; the complete archive stays available below. 32index entries 32distinct source records 4.6%of parent category 1.6%of the complete index 9top-level comments 23replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 2asks a question 0says they intend to try it 30other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments32 preserved records · 32 of 32 source records accounted for **Top three comments are Chuck Lorre shows. Why doesn't this surprise me?**♥ 568source record 169 **I'm totally on board with what you're saying, but \*2 Broke Girls\* wasn't made by Chuck Lorre**♥ 5source record 170 **Because he makes garbage tv. Anything on CBS really is garbage.**♥ 33source record 171 **I immediately started thinking of the CBS shows from the 2000-2010s (2 and a half men, Big Bang, Dharma and Greg, 2 Broke Girls...) but aren't they all Chuck Lorre shows? Damn, that guy made a hell of a living by catering to dumb as shit people.**♥ 954source record 238 **Dharma and Greg was ABC from the 90’s-00’s, not sure if it was Chuck Lorre or not, I don’t remember it vividly.**♥ 157source record 239 **2 Broke Girls is Whitney Cummings. The others are indeed Chuck Lorre shows.**♥ 81source record 240 **The same monster made both, so I’m gonna say you’re both right, from a certain point of view**♥ 148source record 264 **Most, if not all, Chuck Lorre productions**♥ 491source record 365 **I thought it was weird he had a show about recovery, and a show about a pot dispensary.**♥ 5source record 370 **He co-wrote the Teenage Mutants Ninja Turtles song. That’s about the only thing I enjoyed from him.**♥ 13source record 371 **Insert Chuck Lorre sitcom here.**♥ 51source record 477 **Only good things Chuck Lorre ever did was Young Sheldon and writing the TMNT theme song.**♥ 10source record 838 **Yeah, creator doesn't necessarily mean showrunner or writer. Given Lorre's "output" it wouldn't surprise me if he just tosses some ideas here and there for each show and expects other people to figure it out.**♥ 4source record 842 **Anything not made by Robert and Michelle King at least**♥ 1source record 874 **Funnily enough, the creator is the same**♥ 4source record 889 **I loathe Chuck Lorre. It’s like he takes subpar writers and good actors and tells them all to work with the least effort possible.**♥ 10source record 898 **That's really it. Lorre knows how to make a show stupid people will enjoy. And most people are stupid.**♥ 0source record 940 **The top 5 or so most frequent suggestions in this thread are all Chuck Lorre shows.**♥ 3source record 1181 **I always find with Chuck Lorre shows that they start off with a good concept and are solid for about a season, and then wildly deteriorate until you are begging for it to end. Viz: Dharma and Greg, Cybil, Grace Under Fire.**♥ 3source record 1186 **Because he's pumped out a lot of shows and a lot of them suck, it makes sense. He's also one of the few people who could get a multicamera sitcom greenlit in the era (2010s-onward) where they had become increasingly unpopular. I do think he's done some good stuff. I remember liking Cybill as a kid, though I haven't watched it since the 90s, and the Kominsky Method was okay, at least what I saw of it.**♥ 3source record 1188 **maybe because he put out slop**♥ 5source record 1197 **Anything Chuck Lorre, especially Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men.**♥ 95source record 1487 **Michael Shur proved low effort trash like this doesn't need to exist.**♥ 5source record 1489 **His shows, while waaaaaaaay better, were never as successful as the cbs slop. People are stupid and want stupid shows that tell you when to laugh**♥ 3source record 1490 **Anything produced by Chuck Lorre**♥ 7source record 1683 **Any chuck Lorre shitcom.**♥ 8source record 1885 **All of them. Especially the ones made by Chuck Lorre.**♥ 2source record 2044 **All Chuck Lorre shows. 2.5 men, Big Bang Theory, Young Sheldon…they’re so reliant on lazy stereotypes and unfunny jokes.**♥ 2source record 2147 **Young Sheldon is the outlier, Lorre can actually create decent shows if sufficiently compelled.**♥ 5source record 2148 **His shows were legitimately highly variable though. Personally I thought the ones that didn’t just go with easy sex jokes we the far better ones, but that obviously didn’t hold up in terms of popularity ratings wise.**♥ 2source record 2457 **If you want to get rich, find a way to cater to dumb people.**♥ -3source record 2476 **Pretty much anything by Chuck Lorre**♥ -1source record 2799 Archive: 32 index entries preserve 32 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Everything on CBS3 index entriesThe three records that answer with a network. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Everything on CBS Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Everything on CBS 3 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 787 **Claim context:** Everything on CBS **Why it matters:** Three records that answer with a network instead of a title, and one of them offers a mechanism: that this kind of sitcom does well because it is what is already on when nobody changes the channel. **What readers reported:** I’m convinced CBS sitcoms do so well because people are too lazy to change the channel. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Nothing in the thread argues back against these three directly, though the same explanation is disputed at length inside the individual show nodes. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I’m convinced CBS sitcoms do so well because people are too lazy to change the channel. source record 787♥ 4 Later-arriving source Everything on CBS posted about 5.6 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Anything on CBS posted about 3.9 hours after the source #### What the counts show This report keeps all 3 source records for Everything on CBS together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 3index entries 3distinct source records 0.4%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 2top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments3 preserved records · 3 of 3 source records accounted for **I’m convinced CBS sitcoms do so well because people are too lazy to change the channel.**♥ 4source record 787 **Everything on CBS**♥ 1source record 2181 **Anything on CBS**♥ 0source record 2206 Archive: 3 index entries preserve 3 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The 1990s megahits404 records · 7 sub-topicsThe shows nobody expected to see on a worst-of list, named more often than most of the shows people agree were bad. 404 records. Friends245 index entriesThe second-biggest answer in the corpus, argued almost entirely over whether it was ever funny or only ever ubiquitous. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Friends Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Friends 245 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 465 **Claim context:** Friends **Why it matters:** The second-largest answer in the corpus, and the one people most often preface by expecting to be shouted at. The criticisms cluster into three: that the jokes are shallow and were never funny rather than having aged badly, that the characters are selfish in ways the show does not acknowledge, and that specific running gags about sexuality and weight have not survived. A separate strand argues the show was a scheduling accident rather than a phenomenon. The apartments come up constantly and are answered every time with the rent-control explanation from the first season. **What readers reported:** I doubt anyone agrees, but for me it was definitely Friends. Just lots of cheap, shallow jokes. My wife watched it, but I never liked it. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The defence is mostly historical: commenters argue it was revolutionary for its slot, that it was filmed in front of a live audience rather than sweetened with canned laughter, and that editing the laughter out of any studio comedy destroys the timing and proves nothing about the writing. What replies pushed back on5 I agree that at this point the sitcom formula is played out a dead. However, I disagree that Friends is the lowest of the low that shouldn’t have lasted as long as it did. Just looking at the quality of the other shows in this thread, Friends is clearly a step above. In the lens of the 2020’s, yeah, not exactly the cutting-edge of entertainment. But for a dumb mild chuckle, Friends will always be a safe choice. Pushback♥ 10 Absolutely. It was awful from the get-go. It was "my generation" but it was a weird, fantasy, sanitized version: they had to live as roommates but they were all too perfect. Giant, clean apartment; no struggles paying rent, no eating ramen, nothing that resembled the reality most young people lived at the time. Watching years later, it comes off even worse. Pushback♥ 2 This comment is way too far down. It is the most overrated sitcom in the history of television. I don't understand the collective infatuation with it. Pushback♥ 1 There was also an episode where half of them were broke and the other half paid well. The broke ones were complaining about the richer ones always wanting to go out and spend lots of money. So it was established that some of them had money. Reported failure♥ 62 Yeah I had a friend who was seriously broke. Moved from LA to NYC in the mid 2000s and waited tables. Made a friend who liked him enough to let him be his roommate. Charged him something like 700 rent for a serious luxury apartment in lower Manhattan. His parents were loaded but insisted he have a roommate and my friend got the gig so to speak. Not sure what rent would normally be but I'm guessing now we're talking 30k or 40k a month. So basically it was just like the TV show. Reported failure♥ 10 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint Friends is overrated for sure. The jokes don’t hold up as well as people think. source record 1508♥ 29 Explicit limit or counterpoint Lol, good thing she's an EX wife now. Nah I'm jk, unfortunately too many people do like friends especially because it's relatively easy to get into and you don't need to put your head into it to understand anything. source record 2690♥ 4 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I doubt anyone agrees, but for me it was definitely Friends. Just lots of cheap, shallow jokes. My wife watched it, but I never liked it. source record 465♥ 498 Later-arriving source Friends. Ross and Monica are two of the least likable tv characters of all time posted about 15.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source I dislike most shows being added here, but Friends was an absolute cultural phenomenon. As far as the scale of “more popular than it should have been” on one axis and poor quality and the other, I don’t think anyone can beat Friends. It’s not as bad as the six episode Rob Schneider sitcom “Rob,” or as notorious as “My Mother the Car.” But those shows are known for being shit. Friends was an absolute cultural juggernaut and was, on its best episodes, mediocre enough you could stand it until something more interesting came on. It was absolute shit and did not deserve the love it got. posted about 0.2 hours after the source♥ -17 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextSwap instead of subtract · 2 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[The Big Bang Theory“the laugh track” · 14 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-0-the-big-bang-theory)[Kevin Can F Himself, the answer the thread kept giving back“the laugh track” · 2 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-10-kevin-can-f-himself-the-answer-the-thread-kept-giving-back) #### What the counts show Across 245 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Swap instead of subtract” (4 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 245index entries 245distinct source records 60.6%of parent category 12.3%of the complete index 153top-level comments 92replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 6explicitly reports a limit or failure 9asks a question 0says they intend to try it 230other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Swap instead of subtract **4** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments245 preserved records · 245 of 245 source records accounted for **All the friends in Friends secretly earning 100k a year living in those massive apartments in the middle of New York fresh out of college lol**♥ 329source record 201 **They aren't fresh out of college in Friends, even in the first season , they're in their mid 20s in the first season.**♥ 159source record 202 **I think they all start between 26 and 27**♥ 38source record 203 **It’s been explained how they can afford their apartments in Friends. It’s not farfetched for the time.**♥ 235source record 204 **Also the foundation for it was established in season one. It wasn’t some form of retroactive plot hole covering.**♥ 226source record 205 **Monica is living in her grandmother's rent-controlled apartment, and Chandler is very well-paid, plus his family is rich, having servants when he was young.**♥ 291source record 206 **I think Chandler also pays almost all the rent, too. Joey just keeps him company because Ross moved out. Also, the whole coffee shop thing. Coffee and eating in a cafe used to be easily affordable even 10 years ago.**♥ 291source record 207 **Don’t forget that Joey was Dr. Drake Remore for a many many years on a soap opera so he did bring in a good chunk of change when he was consistently working (and before the show made him a low fruit moron).**♥ 141source record 208 **Yeah, with Joey/Chandler it goes from Chandler paying the rent all the time because Joey has no money since he can't get any gigs, to him being on Days of Our Lives and actually having money, to him getting fired and then having his ups and downs for a lot of the show until he gets back onto Days again later on.**♥ 17source record 209 **Hell it was probably one of the cheapest things to do in NYC. Plus there's an entire episode about the income disparity when they go to the restaurant and want to just split the bill, and the concert that Ross offers to buy tickets for the less off friends.**♥ 69source record 210 **I think they even lampshaded it once, someone bringing up how they're at a coffee shop at 11am on a weekday**♥ 75source record 211 **It was a joke about how some of their bosses hated them.**♥ 14source record 212 **There was also an episode where half of them were broke and the other half paid well. The broke ones were complaining about the richer ones always wanting to go out and spend lots of money. So it was established that some of them had money.**♥ 62source record 213 **IIRC she was actually committing fraud by acting as if her grandmother was a alive and still living there.**♥ 11source record 214 **I think it was mentioned about the Building Super looking the other way**♥ 7source record 215 **Chandler’s apartment also wasn’t nearly as upscale as Monica’s. Pretty big for NYC, but otherwise not too unrealistic for a well-paid professional living with a roommate.**♥ 9source record 216 **I doubt anyone agrees, but for me it was definitely Friends. Just lots of cheap, shallow jokes. My wife watched it, but I never liked it.**♥ 498source record 465 **I’m with you. I didn’t think it was an awful show, but I could never understand how so many people went ga-ga over it. My hunch was that people enjoyed the water cooler talk about the relationships more than found the jokes hilarious.**♥ 85source record 466 **I agree that at this point the sitcom formula is played out a dead. However, I disagree that Friends is the lowest of the low that shouldn’t have lasted as long as it did. Just looking at the quality of the other shows in this thread, Friends is clearly a step above. In the lens of the 2020’s, yeah, not exactly the cutting-edge of entertainment. But for a dumb mild chuckle, Friends will always be a safe choice.**♥ 10source record 467 **There are some episodes with very clever writing, though. The episode where they all get ready to go out to celebrate Monica's engagement and Ross/Rachel get caught hooking up is very well written. There are others, too. But there's a lot of filler episodes, I'll agree**♥ 36source record 468 **Watch the Friends reunion, they talk about the audience there. They were naturally reacting, at least in that show**♥ 3source record 601 **I can accept Monica, Joey/Chandler's and \*maybe\* Ross' apartments, but I'm pretty sure Phoebe lives alone most of the show after her grandmother dies, in a big apartment with a skylight in the bedroom that she mentions overlooks Central Park...while working as a masseuse.**♥ 4source record 794 **I think she was tipping him with baked goods, and he got offended and was going to tell the landlord, so Ross gave him a fifty to keep quiet.**♥ 2source record 817 **What age do you consider fresh out of college? Mid 20s is pretty standard age for having just finished college.**♥ 25source record 818 **22? Since most people start when they're 18ish. The exception is Ross, who would have been in school longer. They never really explain it but he is 26 when the show begins and already has his PhD, but then again he is also displayed in his youth as being a hyper-nerd so there you go.**♥ 21source record 819 **Right, coffee used to be a dollar .25 max.**♥ 6source record 826 **I’ve never laughed at a single line from Friends…I just don’t get it. I think it’s just because everyone from that era wanted a group of friends like those people, living in a massive Manhattan apartment.**♥ 37source record 1398 **Agreed. I've watched episodes here and there but could never get into it. I just didn't find it funny**♥ 8source record 1399 **I always thought that people were laughing at things that would be unbearable to live with on a daily basis. Most of the humor comes from the characters doing or saying something either incredibly stupid, manipulative, or awkward. It would be cringe to be stuck in that loop in reality, not to mention it would be 100 times worse in actual reality of the real estate, cost of living, and weather.**♥ 2source record 1400 **I figured out I like sitcoms where you're rooting for everybody. If they're kind of shitty, you're rooting for them to be better people. Friends slots right in with The Office (US) after season 1, Parks and Rec, The Good Place, etc. Then there's the "laugh at the stupid assholes" type shows... I don't hate them or anything, but I like them less. Seinfeld, Arrested Development, IASIP, etc.**♥ 3source record 1402 **I hate Friends. The theme song triggers some kind of internal demon deep within me that insists it’s turned off immediately, or I must exit the area in haste.**♥ 26source record 1406 **My ex and I were on the outs but still living together for awhile. She'd wake up earlier than I and watch Friends before work. I'd wake up to that song. At the time I was substitute teaching and got placed in a choir class randomly one day. Guess what song they were practicing... Fuck that show and song.**♥ 16source record 1407 **My mum used to get me and my sister hyped for "video party night", with a theme song and all, where we'd go to our room early but get to watch a video on our little pink box TV with snacks, etc. When I was older I learned it was so she and my dad could watch Friends. I like that memory a lot more than the show lmao**♥ 2source record 1414 **Literally one of the only comedies that never made me laugh. It was bad in the 90s, it's bad today. It was weird have people half my age acting shocked that I didn't like it.**♥ 10source record 1423 **I have it a try at first and didn’t like it. Tried it again a few other times but found the characters were still insufferable.**♥ 5source record 1430 **Calling it meh would be flattering it.**♥ 3source record 1433 **It was actually good for about 4 seasons and then went the way of all sitcoms that didn't know when to quit: retread story lines from earlier in the show or from "I Love Lucy"; characters becoming caricatures/parodies of themselves; blatant moralizing.**♥ 4source record 1434 **The laugh track does lots of heavy lifting on friends.**♥ -7source record 1445 **It was. Most of the shows with a "laugh track" from the 90s and 00s had live audiences.**♥ 35source record 1447 **Friends didn’t use a laugh track. It was filmed before a live audience.**♥ 30source record 1448 **If you’ve ever been a member in a studio audience of a sitcom, you’d question how natural those laughs are. Tracks are also inserted where there are no laughs.**♥ 18source record 1449 **Same for me.. Never "got" it.. Disliked all the guys.. Only liked crazy Monica..**♥ 1source record 1454 **Ok my first thought was Friends. But then I remembered big bang theory exists**♥ 27source record 1500 **Am I the only one that despises friends? Can’t fucking stand it**♥ 5source record 1506 **Friends**♥ 64source record 1507 **Friends is overrated for sure. The jokes don’t hold up as well as people think.**♥ 29source record 1508 **Friends 🤭**♥ 3source record 1523 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1528 **Aside from the constant repetitive comments showing people have no concept of, you know, an even cursory glance at the top five or ten comments, so many comments here ignore the time in which the shows were made. FRIENDS doesn't hold up now. But it was a fairly revolutionary serial sitcom with some very clever episodes and a huge following. Filmed in front of a live audience, too. Yes, some lowest common denominator stuff. And some that was not. HIMYM was similarly a great "reimagining" of that dynamic for a more modern time. It was EVERYWHERE and eminently quotable. Real emotional content, too (Marshall's dad, e.g.) Clever episodes. Dumb episodes. But to list those as "the worst" is ridiculous. Some are unbearable, it's not really them. Also, FYI you're not clever for any variation on "Big Bang theory is a show about smart people for dumb people." It never pretended not to be. That's you understanding the show in the most basic way. Futurama, e.g., is the opposite. Idiotic humour but a bunch of real science to the point that they actually have mathematical proofs that were derived from the show. Anyway, the answer is clearly My Mother the Car or Cavemen (which was adapted from a Geico commercial). Both somehow had some popularity despite being terrible by any metric even in their own time.**♥ 3source record 1531 **Friends, sorry. It is so basic and bland**♥ 12source record 1541 **Friends**♥ 5source record 1552 **It has to be Friends, if we're talking ratio of quality : popularity. There were possibly worse shows, but the huge value on the right side of the ratio (i.e. its massive popularity) makes Friends the winner in a landslide.**♥ 10source record 1556 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1571 **Friends**♥ 70source record 1574 **I never laughed once at this awful show**♥ 2source record 1575 **Friends**♥ 9source record 1577 **Friends**♥ 6source record 1578 **Friends. Take away the laugh track from the show, and these people all seem psychotic in how they handle situations.**♥ 65source record 1579 **That's was just 90s sitcoms**♥ 55source record 1580 **In their defense this is the case for any show filmed with a studio audience. The shows are set up for the pauses and will seem insane when you take out the laughter because you're left with these silences that are out of place**♥ 14source record 1581 **Friends didn’t use a laugh track…..**♥ 7source record 1583 **Friends**♥ 9source record 1599 **Friends**♥ 8source record 1600 **Friends, sorry it's not appealing to me whatsoever.**♥ 2source record 1608 **Friends Downvote me to oblivion but I’m right**♥ 5source record 1623 **Friends**♥ 11source record 1626 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1630 **Friends.**♥ 3source record 1633 **God thank you. That show fuckin sucks**♥ 7source record 1637 **FRIENDS**♥ 2source record 1645 **Absolutely. It was awful from the get-go. It was "my generation" but it was a weird, fantasy, sanitized version: they had to live as roommates but they were all too perfect. Giant, clean apartment; no struggles paying rent, no eating ramen, nothing that resembled the reality most young people lived at the time. Watching years later, it comes off even worse.**♥ 2source record 1648 **YES. My babysitter used to always have it on when I was little and I hated it. Grew up and it’s even more unwatchable now**♥ 2source record 1649 **The early seasons have some painful moments for sure. "Lesbian" being a punchline, for instance. I like the show, but much like Seinfeld, it's really starting to show its age.**♥ 3source record 1653 **Friends**♥ 11source record 1665 **Friends**♥ 6source record 1670 **Friends.**♥ 3source record 1678 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1680 **friends.**♥ 8source record 1682 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1686 **Friends definitely lol, im flabbergasted that people genuinely like and enjoy that show**♥ 2source record 1687 **Friends I just be missing the gene that makes people think that show was entertaining.**♥ 2source record 1699 **Friends**♥ 1source record 1702 **Friends**♥ 1source record 1703 **Friends**♥ 31source record 1704 **Agree. Never laughed with it.**♥ -3source record 1705 **it's meh, but I could easily re-watch it.**♥ 3source record 1706 **I think alot of people who've never really watched Friends could put it on in the background whilst doing something else and inherently know which episode it was.**♥ 2source record 1707 **I have a hunch that the vast majority of people who like Friends were still kids and teens when they first saw it.**♥ 1source record 1708 **Friends**♥ 14source record 1710 **Friends Also Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 1720 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1729 **Friends**♥ 1source record 1732 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1734 **Friends, awful shallow people unironically punching down, couldn't and still don't understand the appeal especially when it first aired.**♥ 2source record 1737 **Friends**♥ 4source record 1761 **I'm willing to die on this hill. F.R.I.E.N.D.S**♥ 5source record 1762 **Friends is the correct answer**♥ 11source record 1785 **Friends**♥ 1source record 1796 **Friends**♥ 1source record 1798 **Friends. It was never funny or relatable**♥ 4source record 1803 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1809 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1811 **Friends.**♥ 9source record 1813 **Friends. It wasn't good in the 90s, it wasn't good in the early 2000's, and it certainly isn't worth the attention and hype now**♥ 2source record 1824 **Friends. Wouldn't have lasted a season if it wasn't shown back-to-back with Seinfeld.**♥ 2source record 1825 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1829 **Friends. Lol**♥ 2source record 1832 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1833 **Friends and Frasier**♥ 2source record 1835 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1858 **Friends**♥ 7source record 1860 **Yes. Never understood the hype, although I like Lisa Kudrow.**♥ 2source record 1861 **Friends**♥ 8source record 1862 **Friends.**♥ 11source record 1863 **Friends since it a rip off and worse version of Living Single**♥ 5source record 1865 **Friends blows complete ass.**♥ 1source record 1883 **Friends**♥ 11source record 1884 **Friends. The same mediocre, basic bitch opinion people who rewatch this show regularly also have ketchup as their favorite condiment and think white bread is the best bread.**♥ 11source record 1886 **I’ll probably get downvoted to hell but “Friends” is truly awful. Beyond unwatchable.**♥ 2source record 1888 **I know I'm about to catch a ton of strays but ...Friends. If they edit out the laugh track, it's seriously not funny at all.**♥ 3source record 1890 **Such a tired and bad example. A. There was no laugh track it was a studio audience. B. Editing out the laughs makes the timing for all the jokes wrong which will make anything not funny. Not claiming the humor holds up for everyone as it was very much of it's time and the cultural touchstones of the day, but the "if you edit out the laugh track then it's not funny" can be applied nearly every show ever recorded with one or with a live studio audience. You are in essence saying "If you mess up the timing of a joke then the joke won't be funny" which is a given.**♥ 5source record 1891 **Friends.**♥ 4source record 1900 **Friends is trash**♥ 2source record 1901 **Friends, it never resonated with me and most people I know**♥ 2source record 1908 **Friends. Come at me**♥ 2source record 1909 **FRIENDS**♥ 2source record 1913 **Friends.**♥ 2source record 1914 **Friends.**♥ 2source record 1918 **This may start a war, but FRIENDS. I couldnt watch it**♥ 2source record 1919 **\- Friends - How I Meet Your Mother - Grey's Anatomy - Girls - Family Guy - Everybody Loves Raymond**♥ 1source record 1920 **Ill say it.... Friends**♥ 1source record 1937 **Friends. Vapid self absorbed assholes behave like selfish idiots**♥ 4source record 1949 **Friends**♥ 4source record 1950 **Friends. My god I’d rather clean up shit than watch that show**♥ 6source record 1951 **Everyone is dysfunctional as fuck, but Monica and Rachel are legit narcissistic sociopaths.**♥ 1source record 1952 **friends**♥ 1source record 1957 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1964 **Friends**♥ 3source record 1969 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1971 **Friends. It just happened to be the only show on Thursdays after Seinfeld wrapped**♥ 2source record 1981 **“ Friends “**♥ 2source record 1982 **Friends.**♥ 2source record 1983 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1984 **Friends**♥ 2source record 1986 **Friends**♥ 1source record 1987 **Friends**♥ -2source record 1992 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2000 **Friends. Ross and Monica are two of the least likable tv characters of all time**♥ 1source record 2003 **If you remove the laugh tracks it's becomming obvious that they are all toxic to each other**♥ 1source record 2007 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2018 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2019 **Friends. Not a single funny or intelligent line spoken in the entire series. Pure brain rot.**♥ -4source record 2027 **Friends and Seinfeld. I still don't get it, even after all these years and actual attempts to watch, and enjoy it, I just don't.**♥ 0source record 2028 **For real. It’s just the all-white, more sanitized version of Seinfeld**♥ 0source record 2031 **FRIENDS**♥ 4source record 2047 **Friends**♥ 5source record 2055 **Friends. No good humour in it and bad acting. Even worse than Big Bang Theory.**♥ 2source record 2058 **Friends**♥ 2source record 2059 **Friends**♥ 0source record 2061 **Friends.**♥ 1source record 2063 **I was going to say Friends, but Reddit lined this post up with a Seinfeld clip after it in my feed and I thought it was pretty funny. I wish I could share the screenshot.**♥ 1source record 2087 **I’m gonna piss off some people here. I think Friends sucked. I think it still sucks now. I never found it relatable. I grew up in sheer abject poverty in Texas. I lived in a one bedroom house and had to sleep in the living room with my two brothers and my stepsister. Beautiful people, living carefree, lives in a sanitize to New York in apartments that they realistically could not afford did not appeal to me. The only show that ever did appeal to me was Roseanne. The characters were dirt pour on that show, but they made my family look rich.**♥ 1source record 2089 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2091 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2092 **Yes!**♥ 1source record 2093 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2096 **Friends. Absolutely horrible.**♥ -15source record 2113 **Friends.**♥ 0source record 2124 **Friends, yeah I said it**♥ -2source record 2133 **Friends. Seriously, go watch it now and tell me it was worth it.**♥ 10source record 2136 **I still enjoy the first four seasons or so. After that it Ross and Monica became unbearable.**♥ 1source record 2137 **Friends**♥ 2source record 2159 **Friends**♥ 2source record 2160 **Friends. I said what I said**♥ 1source record 2162 **Friends.**♥ -7source record 2165 **Friends. And it not even close**♥ -9source record 2179 **I know it'll piss off many people and get downvoted but, Friends is not funny. It's just not. It's "Heh, cool joke. Haha." That's it. It's not funny. There is a good estimation of 3 depths of emotion in that show. "We have a catchy intro song, watch the next 20 minutes of our useless, out-of-touch, attempts at comedy."**♥ 1source record 2188 **FRIENDS.**♥ 1source record 2203 **Friends! Honestly found this show to be painful to watch (aside from Joey). The main characters are all a pretty toxic mix of delusion, narcissism and/or sexism. Ross is frankly insufferable. Aside from a few decent gags, without the laughing track it's really not funny at all for the most part.**♥ 2source record 2205 **Friends**♥ 0source record 2207 **Friends and Seinfeld**♥ -10source record 2219 **It’s sometimes baffling to me which shows hit and which ones don’t because I think Friends is just as bad as any show listed here. I’m not exactly a sitcom aficionado though**♥ 0source record 2229 **"Friends." It was a show about sarcastic people.**♥ 7source record 2232 **Friends**♥ 7source record 2233 **Friends**♥ 3source record 2237 **Friends**♥ 3source record 2243 **Friends**♥ -1source record 2253 **Friends The New Adventures of old Christine**♥ 2source record 2254 **Friends**♥ 0source record 2256 **Friends. It was mediocre, badly written, unfunny drivel. My ex used to love it when it came out, so I had the misfortune to experience it.**♥ -1source record 2263 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2293 **Friends and Seinfeld.**♥ -1source record 2308 **Friends. Not a funny show**♥ 9source record 2323 **Here come the downvotes…. Friends.**♥ 13source record 2329 **Refreshing. Didn’t watch it growing up, but I was on the younger side (8ish at its peak), but consumed most of what my parents or older brother did. They didn’t like it either. When I finally had the chance a few years later to watch dvd releases, I tried. Not for me. I feel like it got dated pretty quickly. Interestingly enough, I do remember sitting down with the whole family to watch the series finale. To this day, feels like one of the last “everyone is tuned in” TV moments that wasn’t tied to 9/11….**♥ -1source record 2331 **I think Seinfeld and Big Bang Theory are worse, but not by much.**♥ 1source record 2332 **Friends. Dry. No substance. All filler. All characters are entirely inconsequential. Recycled and adapted jokes that were rejected from other sitcoms. Absolutely grueling to have to sit through.**♥ 2source record 2341 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2342 **Friends. Not funny and corny**♥ 2source record 2346 **Friends. Shitty laugh track garbage full of whiny entitled shits**♥ 1source record 2355 **Friends and Big Bang Theory. To me as someone in Ireland they just seem like a constant stream of cringy, silly jokes with a laugh track. They're fine as background noise but it's pretty annoying how people almost expect you to like them and you're seen as unusual if you don't.**♥ 1source record 2377 **Friends and Seinfeld**♥ -15source record 2380 **Growing up, there was a huge rivalry between the show FRIENDS and Whose Line Is It Anyway? personally, I always thought that whose line was the funnier of the two and I find myself going back to watch that... I have yet to laugh at anything FRIENDS.**♥ 1source record 2383 **Whose line is it anyway is not a sitcom**♥ 4source record 2384 **I get it’s probably a generational thing, but even if I’m kinda supposed to be in that target (I’m 35) for me it’s Friends. I hate the characters, I hate how it’s written, the jokes aren’t even remotely funny and the actors are mid at best. I legit can’t understand how such a show got so immensely popular**♥ 1source record 2385 **Friends**♥ 1source record 2391 **Friends Family Matters**♥ 0source record 2403 **Friends. Everybody loves Raymond. They are painfully unfunny.**♥ -2source record 2411 **I would say 22-24 since most people graduate at 22/23\. And when Friends was being made entry level salary was completely livable and the rent controlled apartment was explained early on**♥ 1source record 2446 **you're absolutely right. just saying.**♥ 0source record 2488 **Friends. That shit is ass.**♥ 2source record 2591 **Friends**♥ 2source record 2595 **I loved this show when I was young watching it in the 90s. I’ve recently tried a rewatch with my 9 yr old (who thinks everything is hilarious). Neither one of us laughed at all during the 5 episodes we watched.**♥ 0source record 2628 **And a good bunch of millenials will talk about it like it's comedic Nirvana. It is not.**♥ 1source record 2629 **Pretty sure I've seen a clip of the show without the tract. It was used to demonstrate how such things cued humor instead of proper timing.**♥ -3source record 2631 **There were some clips with the laughter removed to show how weird and awkward it would have been. It was filmed in front of a live audience. People used to go nuts for the tickets.**♥ 18source record 2632 **Well, the laughs are part of the timing. Ofc it‘s off when they are removed.**♥ 9source record 2633 **I’m so glad to see this. So many of my friends — mid-40s currently — have always loved Friends and I could never stand it. My family were a huge fans of Seinfeld and when Friends started to take off, we gave it a chance. It aired just an hour before Seinfeld on Thursdays. We never really liked it. It’s just so dumb and fake.**♥ 1source record 2634 **This comment is way too far down. It is the most overrated sitcom in the history of television. I don't understand the collective infatuation with it.**♥ 1source record 2635 **It's amazing it lasted 10 seasons, and the last few are pretty bad. I will have to one up you though - \*I watched Joey\*. It was exceptionally bad.**♥ 0source record 2640 **Right. But they edit the sound of the live audience instead of leaving it alone, so it becomes a laugh track by default**♥ -6source record 2647 **I was a baby when it started airing, and I preferred watching cartoons over the reruns, so I never got into it organically. I’ve seen clips and it doesn’t seem appealing, nor is it funny to me now in my 30s. I guess the girls’ outfits are cute for inspo, but I don’t think I’ll ever watch a full episode.**♥ 0source record 2662 **You mean the ones they edit to sound the way they want after the fact? Like a laugh track?**♥ -7source record 2663 **Are you claiming they edited real laughs from one line for a different line? It’s not that hard to understand, some people found that show hilarious. (Remember what George Carlin said: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that".) You don’t need to manipulate laughs when there are real people laughing at the jokes.**♥ 1source record 2664 **It’s just the same jokes over and over again. And the humor has NOT aged well.**♥ -3source record 2669 **Lol, good thing she's an EX wife now. Nah I'm jk, unfortunately too many people do like friends especially because it's relatively easy to get into and you don't need to put your head into it to understand anything.**♥ 4source record 2690 **So many lame jokes!**♥ 0source record 2691 **Friends and seinfeld**♥ 2source record 2694 **As someone who has seen it a little bit of it here and there because my exes mom had it on all the time, every episode feels the exact same and completely indistinguishable. Same exact cheesy humor, spamming the laugh track, sometimes a random minor drama that is resolved right before the end of the episode.**♥ 1source record 2710 **The same can be said for literally 99.99% of all sitcoms and television shows. Also, "spamming the laugh track"...? Those were live studio audiences and some of the actors with get upset because having to wait for them to stop laughing would ruin their pacing with their lines.**♥ 2source record 2711 **Friends without the laugh track (youtube it) is incredibly awkward to watch and almost makes the whole seasons worth it just for that reason**♥ -14source record 2713 **Ok? You know when they film in front of an audience they wait for the audience to stop laughing before they continue right? Of course it's awkward when they are seemingly standing around waiting for nothing. Those edits say nothing about the quality of Friends as a show... it's just the nature of filming comedy in front of an audience. Remove the laugh track from any show, no matter it's quality, and you'll make it really awkward and stilted. Friends isn't good...but this is not why.**♥ 17source record 2714 **Insipid and Vapid**♥ -9source record 2716 **Yes, and I hate that they were a ripoff of Living Single, especially since Living Single was so much better**♥ -9source record 2717 **I dislike most shows being added here, but Friends was an absolute cultural phenomenon. As far as the scale of “more popular than it should have been” on one axis and poor quality and the other, I don’t think anyone can beat Friends. It’s not as bad as the six episode Rob Schneider sitcom “Rob,” or as notorious as “My Mother the Car.” But those shows are known for being shit. Friends was an absolute cultural juggernaut and was, on its best episodes, mediocre enough you could stand it until something more interesting came on. It was absolute shit and did not deserve the love it got.**♥ -17source record 2718 **I hated this show so much. And still do. I never understood why people liked it so much but I’m Australian brought up shows like Yes Minister / Prime Minister , The Goodies and Blackadder so maybe I was a sitcom snob.**♥ -11source record 2721 **Worst of the worst. The fact that this isn't the top comment is a travesty for multiple reasons.**♥ -11source record 2722 **Literally. I am from the generation that apparently made FRIENDS cool and lemme tell you, wth was wrong with them? It's an awful show with awful jokes, actions, and everything else. Ross was neurotic, but they tried to make him seem just uptight. No, dude was wayyyy beyond that. Joey was a washed-up has-been of a character. They always made him seem like he was struggling because he sucked and couldn't grow up. Rachel was a spoiled rich girl. She never grew up but was probably the closest to a regular person they had. Chandler was desperate for attention in any way and clung to Monica like velcro. It was not attractive and he was not funny. Monica never got past the "I WAS fat but now I'm hot" thing. She was also neurotic and messy. OCD comes to mind. Both her and Ross were Not Okay after being raised by their parents. Ifk what they did to those kids but like... And Phoebe? Where do I even begin? She was a whole mess of a human. Never held a steady job, never had a serious plan for life, just bounced around like the two brain cells in her head. I hated every bit of it and feel like none of them held any redeeming qualities. Awful show. Terrible. Whoever greenlit it should be fired and banned from the industry.**♥ -15source record 2726 **I have never seen it been considered "cool" to hate on this show, it's weirdly beloved. I've had Gen Z'ers get hostile when I called it unfunny. It was lame in the 90s too. I hated it then, still hate it now. It's just not funny and the characters are annoying.**♥ -5source record 2729 **The non-stop canned laughter was insufferable! I never found it to be funny or watchable.**♥ -1source record 2735 **Friends. I said what I said.**♥ 0source record 2748 **Friends. It felt like a bad Seinfeld rip-off**♥ 0source record 2749 **Friends Seinfeld**♥ 0source record 2763 **I cannot comprehend the popularity of Friends. Every episode I've watched has been so bad it made me cringe.**♥ 0source record 2765 **I'm going to say it. Friends. It's not the worst sitcom ever but it's way more popular than it had any right to be.**♥ 1source record 2766 Archive: 245 index entries preserve 245 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Seinfeld83 index entriesNamed far more often than its reputation suggests, and answered every time with the same defence about what the show was for. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Seinfeld Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Seinfeld 83 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 492 **Claim context:** Seinfeld **Why it matters:** Named far more often than its reputation would predict, and always with the same complaint: that every character is unpleasant, that nothing happens, and that the lead's delivery is the part people cannot get past. Several records single out the finale. **What readers reported:** Seinfeld. An obnoxious group of people behaving in irrational ways under unlikely circumstances. Not one of them is employable (maybe Christine), as George is nuts and Jerry isn't funny in the stand-up portions, and not one of them is likable. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Every one of those answers draws the identical reply, sometimes within minutes: the characters are supposed to be unpleasant, the show was built on a rule against growth or sentiment, and disliking them is disliking the premise rather than the execution. What the replies added2 Typical "you just don't get it". No we understand, it's just not funny. Made even worse my the fact the Jerry Seinfeld himself is an insufferable, unfunny loser. Pushback♥ 3 …Seinfeld.. Or 2 Broke Girls. Or fucking Letterkenney Reported failure♥ -1 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint Honestly Seinfeld, wasn't nearly as clever or funny as it thought it was IMO, and boy howdy did that finale suck. You can't claim to make a "show about nothing" and then suddenly try and moralize and have people judge the main characters in the final episode, does not work that way. source record 1504♥ 5 Explicit limit or counterpoint Seinfeld- way overrated. Was just annoying most of the time source record 2221♥ -1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Just throwing it out there, they're not supposed to be likable. They're all brash, selfish idiots. That's the whole point. Larry David's rule for the show was "No hugging, no learning." If you didn't like that part of it may I recommend never watching Always Sunny. source record 2599♥ 34 Later-arriving source Seinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld is by far the worst thing about it, and since he’s the star i just can’t deal with it. Jerry Seinfeld has only ever made me laugh ONCE. And it was an episode of 30 Rock he didn’t write. I don’t care that it’s Larry David writing the best seasons. If i never saw Jerry Seinfeld’s face or heard his voice ever again, i’d still not be happy because i’ve seen him too many times already. I just really don’t like Jerry Seinfeld to an almost absurd degree. posted about 15.6 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Seinfeld. Maybe I’m in the minority but I hated that show. posted about 6.3 hours after the source♥ -2 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[The Big Bang TheoryTurn it into a game · 11 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-0-the-big-bang-theory)[Frasier, Cheers and the rebootTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot) #### What the counts show Across 83 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (4 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 83index entries 83distinct source records 20.5%of parent category 4.2%of the complete index 66top-level comments 17replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 2explicitly reports a limit or failure 2asks a question 0says they intend to try it 79other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Turn it into a game **4** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments83 preserved records · 83 of 83 source records accounted for **Seinfeld. An obnoxious group of people behaving in irrational ways under unlikely circumstances. Not one of them is employable (maybe Christine), as George is nuts and Jerry isn't funny in the stand-up portions, and not one of them is likable.**♥ 5source record 492 **I mean...Seinfeld was literally that with kramer**♥ 4source record 1357 **Honestly Seinfeld, wasn't nearly as clever or funny as it thought it was IMO, and boy howdy did that finale suck. You can't claim to make a "show about nothing" and then suddenly try and moralize and have people judge the main characters in the final episode, does not work that way.**♥ 5source record 1504 **Seinfeld**♥ 3source record 1529 **Seinfeld. Glorified assholes. Never laughed once. Yellowstone was funnier.**♥ 1source record 1537 **Seinfeld. Whiny paedo whining nonstop about shit while somehow magically dating 50 models**♥ 1source record 1538 **Seinfeld**♥ 12source record 1566 **seinfeld is very nostalgic for me but like half of the episodes just do not hold up. watching it now is really rough. some episodes are awfully offensive lol and there are some real dud episodes. same with South Park honestly, the old episodes are brutally unfunny and annoying. I hate Rick and morty so I too have some unpopular show takes.**♥ 2source record 1567 **I’m sure people will say I’m just saying these to be contrary but I genuinely feel they were hot garbage. Seinfeld. The Office US Friends. Blech.**♥ 3source record 1644 **Seinfeld, a show about horrible people being jackasses**♥ 5source record 1667 **Seinfield.. I dont get how people think its funny.**♥ 5source record 1679 **Seinfeld. It’s not funny and I will die on that hill.**♥ 2source record 1690 **Seinfeld.**♥ 2source record 1692 **Seinfeld. Its boring, not funny at all, and his voice is like nails on a chalkboard.**♥ 2source record 1714 **Seinfeld**♥ 4source record 1715 **Seinfeld**♥ 3source record 1730 **Seinfeld**♥ 3source record 1731 **Seinfeld? I despise everyone except Elaine**♥ 2source record 1741 **Seinfeld and Raymond (I think that's the name)**♥ 3source record 1749 **Seinfeld.**♥ 1source record 1797 **I have to say Seinfeld!**♥ 4source record 1801 **Seinfeld.**♥ 2source record 1827 **Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 1839 **Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 1877 **Seinfeld**♥ 1source record 1879 **Seinfeld. Never funny but it became a cult.**♥ 3source record 1895 **Seinfeld. Good lord...so much whining.**♥ 15source record 1897 **Seinfeld.**♥ 8source record 1898 **Seinfeld**♥ 9source record 1899 **Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 1910 **Seinfeld**♥ 1source record 1922 **Seinfeld & Friends**♥ 2source record 1923 **Seinfeld**♥ 1source record 1925 **Seinfield. im pretty sure he's an industry plant. that show was dog shit and none of the actors/actresses in there went anywhere after the show to prove it. they all sucked. Jerry can't act for shit, every one of his roles he's just playing himself, whiny nasal voice with sarcastic remark to everything except the sarcasm is dry and not really sarcasm at all**♥ 3source record 1926 **Seinfeld**♥ 5source record 1948 **Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 1954 **Seinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld is by far the worst thing about it, and since he’s the star i just can’t deal with it. Jerry Seinfeld has only ever made me laugh ONCE. And it was an episode of 30 Rock he didn’t write. I don’t care that it’s Larry David writing the best seasons. If i never saw Jerry Seinfeld’s face or heard his voice ever again, i’d still not be happy because i’ve seen him too many times already. I just really don’t like Jerry Seinfeld to an almost absurd degree.**♥ 1source record 1958 **Seinfeld**♥ 7source record 1970 **Seinfeld**♥ 1source record 1972 **Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 1985 **Seinfeld**♥ 3source record 1989 **Seinfeld**♥ 3source record 1990 **Seinfeld, just deeply unfunny.**♥ 2source record 1991 **Every character is a horrible human being.**♥ 1source record 2012 **That's the point.**♥ 27source record 2013 **Seinfeld, every character in it is unlikeable.**♥ 2source record 2064 **Sienfeld, King of Queens, Friends**♥ 2source record 2065 **Seinfeld, hate Jerry's pedo ass**♥ 1source record 2066 **Seinfeld.**♥ 0source record 2068 **Seinfeld and Friends. Hated both when they were new and still do today.**♥ 0source record 2121 **Seinfeld or Everybody loves Raymond**♥ 0source record 2129 **Seinfeld.**♥ 7source record 2140 **SEINFELD**♥ 3source record 2143 **Seinfield**♥ 8source record 2146 **Seinfeld. Friends.**♥ 2source record 2155 **Seinfeld 😬 there, I said it 🙈**♥ 0source record 2176 **Seinfeld, The Office, Curb Your Enthusiasm and Arrested Development.**♥ 1source record 2185 **Seinfeld by a country mile for me. I know it has its fans and no judgment but for me, nooooo.**♥ -1source record 2215 **Seinfeld- way overrated. Was just annoying most of the time**♥ -1source record 2221 **Seinfeld, Friends**♥ 1source record 2247 **Seinfeld is absolutely terrible, but somehow became the gold standard of sitcoms. I’d watch a Big Band Theory 24 hour marathon before one episode of Seinfeld. E: Big Band, or Big Bang. Either one.**♥ 2source record 2261 **how has nobody said seinfeld wow**♥ 1source record 2325 **Seinfeld**♥ 6source record 2333 **Seinfeld is great. The characterization is so tight with the main 4, that people still write ideas for episodes today, and you can kinda figure how it turns out.**♥ 2source record 2334 **Seinfeld. I said what I said.**♥ 5source record 2338 **Seinfeld**♥ 4source record 2350 **Seinfeld. I have no idea why people liked it. Ditto The Simpsons.**♥ 2source record 2596 **Seinfeld, nothing ever happens and characters are not likeable. PS. It is not funny either.**♥ 17source record 2598 **Just throwing it out there, they're not supposed to be likable. They're all brash, selfish idiots. That's the whole point. Larry David's rule for the show was "No hugging, no learning." If you didn't like that part of it may I recommend never watching Always Sunny.**♥ 34source record 2599 **I love IASIP but I didn't care much for Seinfeld, it had its moments but 90% of the gags are loud = funny and I'm sorry but Kramer is an awful character. I did like how the episodes were constructed and Elaine as a character but everyone else was just yelling and overacting.**♥ 4source record 2600 **Typical "you just don't get it". No we understand, it's just not funny. Made even worse my the fact the Jerry Seinfeld himself is an insufferable, unfunny loser.**♥ 3source record 2601 **I didn't say I found it funny, I find it absolutely fine. Seinfeld himself is a dick, but saying a reason that they don't like the show is that the characters aren't likable when that's the whole point of the show just seems a bit obtuse.**♥ 1source record 2602 **The amount of people in this thread that don’t understand this about Seinfeld makes me like the show even more**♥ 4source record 2603 **Yeah it sucked too.**♥ 1source record 2660 **I loved Seinfeld when it first began. But it got old quickly. The characters became annoying and caricatures of their former selves. By the end I felt the same about his voice. Like nails on a chalkboard. I still can't tolerate the show for more than 1 episode if I come across it and try to give it another chance.**♥ 1source record 2680 **The characters on this show are all idiots and/or assholes. Just shit people on your screen for a half hour. Fucking miserable.**♥ 1source record 2707 **That’s the point, though. One of the rules for the show was that no one grows, changes, or learns anything**♥ 1source record 2708 **People who like this show are miserable. I've met 2 super fans of Seinfeld and they were insufferable to be around. Just like the characters !**♥ 0source record 2752 **Agreed. I have tried watching it numerous times and it difficult from the jump.**♥ 0source record 2771 **to be fair, Seinfeld’s whole shtick is being “a show about nothing”**♥ 0source record 2772 **…Seinfeld.. Or 2 Broke Girls. Or fucking Letterkenney**♥ -1source record 2797 **Seinfeld. Maybe I’m in the minority but I hated that show.**♥ -2source record 2809 **Seinfeld is unwatchable trash**♥ -2source record 2810 Archive: 83 index entries preserve 83 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Frasier, Cheers and the reboot30 index entriesTwo disputes: whether the original was as clever as it is remembered, and what the revival did without Niles. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Frasier, Cheers and the reboot Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Frasier, Cheers and the reboot 30 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 429 **Claim context:** Frasier, Cheers and the reboot **Why it matters:** Two disputes share this node. The first is about the revival, and the complaint is structural: commenters say the original worked because the lead was surrounded by people who could match or outrank him, and that the revival kept the lead and removed all of them. The second is about the original itself — a small group argues its cleverness is a flattering costume rather than a real one, and one record objects to how women are written in it. **What readers reported:** Frasier was the best ensemble comedy in history. So I know, let’s strip away all of the other characters that made the show amazing, and keep the one asshole that was the least interesting part of the show. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The pushback on the original is immediate and heavy: commenters defend its writing and its farce episodes specifically, several name the brother as the reason to watch at all, and one fan agrees the title character is the weakest part of his own show while still calling it a comfort watch. What the replies added2 Yep. Felt like the missed the point of the original show. Its not that Frasier was better than everyone because of his pompousness, he was the butt of the joke for it. Importantly, the support in the original the important characters had direct influence over Frasier in their own ways \* Martin - Was literally his father \* Daphne - Even though she was literally an employee, she was chosen by Frasier's father and was literally in his home daily \* Roz - again, while Frasier may have been the star, the producer made things happen \* Niles - Matched him intellectually, and frequently boasts that he remained pure to the science of psychology rather than selling out to pop-culture psychology. While he may not have authority over Frasier, he was considered Frasier's equal in the aspects he most prided himself on. Where the reboot, everyone is basically a fawning follower of Frasier. He is literally the landlord of two of the characters. (Which in fairness is at least a good narrative device to have a pretty apartment set for characters who are meant to be broke, but most people don't root for the landlord.) As well as at 70 the single bachelor storylines start to feel outlandish on their surface. Reported failure♥ 10 I almost stopped watching Cheers during season 2 bc every episode was Sam and Diane having some sort of fight or misunderstanding and it was just the two of them arguing the whole time. I was happy when they broke up Reported failure♥ 8 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint I tried watching it because Nicholas Lyndhurst is in it, and i fucking love that guy. Only Fools and Horses and Goodnight Sweetheart are two of my favorite sitcoms of all time. The guy is a legend in the UK and it’s about time americans learned about him. Unfortunately the show sucks and it’s probably not gonna lead to more american gigs for Lyndhurst. source record 1462♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I don't know how popular the new Frasier was but without Niles what's the point? Like when the powers that be tried to make Night Court a thing again but I digress Equal horrors from way back then Alf, Small Wonder and My Two Dads source record 428♥ 186 Later-arriving source I tried watching it because Nicholas Lyndhurst is in it, and i fucking love that guy. Only Fools and Horses and Goodnight Sweetheart are two of my favorite sitcoms of all time. The guy is a legend in the UK and it’s about time americans learned about him. Unfortunately the show sucks and it’s probably not gonna lead to more american gigs for Lyndhurst. posted about 15.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Frasier is for people who think they’re too sophisticated for The Big Bang Theory. It tricks its audience into believing they’re clever because they caught a reference to a book they were forced to read in high school posted about 0.9 hours after the source♥ -19 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[SeinfeldTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld)[SuitsTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-7-subgroup-0-suits) #### What the counts show Across 30 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 30index entries 30distinct source records 7.4%of parent category 1.5%of the complete index 7top-level comments 23replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 4asks a question 0says they intend to try it 24other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Turn it into a game **3** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments30 preserved records · 30 of 30 source records accounted for **I almost stopped watching Cheers during season 2 bc every episode was Sam and Diane having some sort of fight or misunderstanding and it was just the two of them arguing the whole time. I was happy when they broke up**♥ 8source record 36 **I don't know how popular the new Frasier was but without Niles what's the point? Like when the powers that be tried to make Night Court a thing again but I digress Equal horrors from way back then Alf, Small Wonder and My Two Dads**♥ 186source record 428 **Frasier was the best ensemble comedy in history. So I know, let’s strip away all of the other characters that made the show amazing, and keep the one asshole that was the least interesting part of the show.**♥ 135source record 429 **Yep. Felt like the missed the point of the original show. Its not that Frasier was better than everyone because of his pompousness, he was the butt of the joke for it. Importantly, the support in the original the important characters had direct influence over Frasier in their own ways \* Martin - Was literally his father \* Daphne - Even though she was literally an employee, she was chosen by Frasier's father and was literally in his home daily \* Roz - again, while Frasier may have been the star, the producer made things happen \* Niles - Matched him intellectually, and frequently boasts that he remained pure to the science of psychology rather than selling out to pop-culture psychology. While he may not have authority over Frasier, he was considered Frasier's equal in the aspects he most prided himself on. Where the reboot, everyone is basically a fawning follower of Frasier. He is literally the landlord of two of the characters. (Which in fairness is at least a good narrative device to have a pretty apartment set for characters who are meant to be broke, but most people don't root for the landlord.) As well as at 70 the single bachelor storylines start to feel outlandish on their surface.**♥ 10source record 437 **Martin is an underrated character. John Mahoney was an incredible actor and he owned every scene. A few that really stand out are his monologue when Frasier tried to get rid of his chair and the scene when he comes to terms with his favorite dive bar closing down.**♥ 13source record 438 **Straight up going from laughing at the main character, to having no reason to hang out with the main character.**♥ 4source record 439 **Frasier isn't really a smart show though. It's just the closest any very popular sitcom has gotten.**♥ 9source record 1018 **Some things about Frasier are pretty smart. The psychiatry part is pretty basic and aimed towards a layman audience (for example, most people know who Freud was, but even back in the 90s a psychiatrist who uses a "Freudian approach" would be extremely rare since a lot of Freud's theories were long outdated by then) but a lot of the wordplay and references to classic art, literature, and theatre are fairly high brow.**♥ 2source record 1019 **Loved Frazier until I found out he's an incompetent Maga twat**♥ 18source record 1022 **I watched for all the other characters.**♥ 6source record 1025 **Yeah, Frasier was my least favorite character on that show. Most of the comedy from his character stemmed from his unearned narcissism and bumbling incompetence.**♥ 3source record 1026 **And Frasier was the dumb people's idea of what elitist pricks are like. And Will & Grace was the dumb people's idea of what gay people are like.**♥ 3source record 1043 **Yeah, without Niles, Frasier is DOA.**♥ 7source record 1269 **Maybe this is why my favorite episode has the two new shock jock radio hosts incessantly pranking and humiliating Frasier all day.**♥ 3source record 1287 **\> I don't know how popular the new Frasier was but without Niles what's the point? > > Because it's a Cheers revival, not a Fraiser revival. It just happens to star Fraiser. Everything about it is Cheers though.**♥ 2source record 1336 **As someones who's favourite show has been Frasier for 25 years. The new one struggled, but towards the end of season 2 had a few episodes that can sit next to the original.**♥ 2source record 1337 **I tried watching it because Nicholas Lyndhurst is in it, and i fucking love that guy. Only Fools and Horses and Goodnight Sweetheart are two of my favorite sitcoms of all time. The guy is a legend in the UK and it’s about time americans learned about him. Unfortunately the show sucks and it’s probably not gonna lead to more american gigs for Lyndhurst.**♥ 1source record 1462 **I HATED the misogynistic jokes on Frasier..**♥ 4source record 1631 **Frasier.**♥ 1source record 2029 **Frasier is for people who think they’re too sophisticated for The Big Bang Theory. It tricks its audience into believing they’re clever because they caught a reference to a book they were forced to read in high school**♥ -19source record 2106 **You take that back! Niles is one of the greatest supporting characters in sitcom history. And the best episodes weren’t the high brow ones, they were the farce. The episode of them all going into the wrong rooms in the cabin is magnificent.**♥ 62source record 2107 **Niles was the entire reason to even watch that show.**♥ 12source record 2108 **I get comedy is subjective, but you are wrong. Frasier was well written, well acted and well directed.**♥ 35source record 2110 **Frasier is actually pretty well written and acted, and the cultural and literary references are pretty well-executed honestly. The style itself makes it feel more dated than it would otherwise, because there are some legitimately very funny episodes. I really like the one where Frasier’s new boss thinks Frasier is hitting on him when he invites him to his house for dinner. The politics of it are pretty progressive for TV at the time, but some of the scenes are classic, like when Frasier’s dad is telling him with a big smile how he has to go to this bar because it’s “full of cops” (because his dad is a cop, but his boss thinks the implication is because cops are hot).**♥ 14source record 2111 **Frasier. Should have stopped after season one, episode one.**♥ 0source record 2309 **Frasier. I never understood how it got so big after Cheers. Just an epic fail to me. Then the reboot.**♥ 0source record 2405 **I’ll give you the reboot, but the original, an epic fail?!?! That is for to laugh!**♥ 1source record 2406 **I love Frasier. It's one of my comfort shows. But I've said for years that Frasier is the worst part of Frasier. He's a snob but without Niles's humor or fun eccentricities, his radio show isn't particularly good, and he's a massive womanizer. Also, Roz is constantly getting slut-shamed when Frasier sleeps with practically every woman he meets, and no one bats an eye. It's the other characters who really make the show.**♥ 1source record 2515 **Frasier was witty. But the fact that in all those seasons Frasier NEVER has a genuine love interest!?!? Come on!!!!! That's insane.**♥ 1source record 2617 **As a big Frasier fan, I just don't get why cheers was so popular. I've tried and it's just so bad.**♥ 0source record 2764 Archive: 30 index entries preserve 30 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Will & Grace9 index entriesRecords that hold the show's stereotypes and its historical effect against each other. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Will & Grace Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Will & Grace 9 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 52 **Claim context:** Will & Grace **Why it matters:** These records hold two things against each other. The complaint is that a character's sexuality was the punchline in the same way another show made weight the punchline. The answer, made at length and upvoted heavily, is that it was one of very few mainstream shows of its moment where gay characters were written as people rather than as a joke, and that this had an effect outside television. **What readers reported:** This is what Will & Grace felt like to me if you replace “fat” with “gay.” Never saw the appeal. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One commenter reports the show being a step in a relative coming to accept a friend, which is the most concrete claim made for it anywhere in the thread; another says the supporting pair were the only watchable part. What the replies added2 What I'll give Will and Grace is that there were very few mainstream TV shows in the late 90's with gay characters. If they had them, they were exclusively a punchline (Friends, for example.) Will and Grace leaned heavily into gay stereotypes but at least it had multiple gay characters who were allowed to be real characters and not just one-dimensional jokes From the replies♥ 212 There have been dissertations written on the impact Will & Grace had on improving mainstream acceptance of gay rights. And they cite this very point (I.e. it was one of the first mainstream shows where gay characters weren’t just used as a joke). From the replies♥ 129 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source This is what Will & Grace felt like to me if you replace “fat” with “gay.” Never saw the appeal. source record 52♥ 268 Later-arriving source Jack and Karen were the best thing about that show. posted about 15.2 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source By far my favorite part of that show is Megan Mullally posted about 14.8 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “jack and karen” recurs across 2 of the 9 source records in Will & Grace; the complete archive stays available below. 9index entries 9distinct source records 2.2%of parent category 0.5%of the complete index 2top-level comments 7replies #### What commenters explicitly report 2explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 4asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments9 preserved records · 9 of 9 source records accounted for **This is what Will & Grace felt like to me if you replace “fat” with “gay.” Never saw the appeal.**♥ 268source record 52 **What I'll give Will and Grace is that there were very few mainstream TV shows in the late 90's with gay characters. If they had them, they were exclusively a punchline (Friends, for example.) Will and Grace leaned heavily into gay stereotypes but at least it had multiple gay characters who were allowed to be real characters and not just one-dimensional jokes**♥ 212source record 53 **There have been dissertations written on the impact Will & Grace had on improving mainstream acceptance of gay rights. And they cite this very point (I.e. it was one of the first mainstream shows where gay characters weren’t just used as a joke).**♥ 129source record 54 **I won't get too into it but that show was one of the stepping stones of my dad coming around. Eventually his best friend (a never married cowboy, not kidding) came out to him and he accepted and supported him. I'm skipping a lot but Hollywood wishes they could oscar bait that hard, and it was real life lol.**♥ 1source record 504 **The supporting cast Jack and Karen? HILARIOUS. LOVE EM. Will was okay... Couldn't stand Grace.**♥ 2source record 547 **Will and Grace made me envy Helen Keller**♥ 11source record 1565 **Will and Grace**♥ 2source record 2043 **By far my favorite part of that show is Megan Mullally**♥ 1source record 2361 **Jack and Karen were the best thing about that show.**♥ 1source record 2363 Archive: 9 index entries preserve 9 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Three's Company24 index entriesOne structural complaint, repeated, plus the people who say farce is supposed to work like that. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Three's Company Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Three's Company 24 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 360 **Claim context:** Three's Company **Why it matters:** One structural complaint, made repeatedly: that roughly every episode turns on somebody mishearing somebody else, and that once you have seen the misunderstanding you have seen the series. It is the only show in the corpus whose formula is mocked inside another sitcom, and commenters quote that scene back. **What readers reported:** I feel like 50% of the episodes of Three's Company involved someone mishearing what someone else said and that would become the plot. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The defence is that this is what farce is: avoidable misunderstandings are the foundation of the form, not a failure of it. Several records also separate the lead performer from the material, and others note that the era's jokes about gay people are the part that has not survived, disputing whether the show was endorsing that attitude or lampooning it. What the replies added1 I almost stopped watching Cheers during season 2 bc every episode was Sam and Diane having some sort of fight or misunderstanding and it was just the two of them arguing the whole time. I was happy when they broke up Reported failure♥ 8 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Reminds me of quick cut I saw once in Friends. Chandler's got the TV remote and notes "Ohhhh - this is the episode of "Three's Company" where there's a huge misunderstanding....." and Phoebe snatches the remote from his hand, saying "Then I've already seen it!!!" source record 32♥ 475 Later-arriving source I never really got the appeal of \*Three’s Company\*. There was only ever like, three plot lines. They were all based on one character wanting to deceive another, having things go wrong but it all works out in the end and nobody learns their lesson. Lather, rinse, repeat each week for umpteen seasons. posted about 15.3 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source I watched a couple of episodes recently and they were SO AWFUL!! How was that show ever popular?!?! posted about 9.8 hours after the source♥ -1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “jack tripper as a” recurs across 2 of the 24 source records in Three's Company; the complete archive stays available below. 24index entries 24distinct source records 5.9%of parent category 1.2%of the complete index 6top-level comments 18replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 23other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments24 preserved records · 24 of 24 source records accounted for **Reminds me of quick cut I saw once in Friends. Chandler's got the TV remote and notes "Ohhhh - this is the episode of "Three's Company" where there's a huge misunderstanding....." and Phoebe snatches the remote from his hand, saying "Then I've already seen it!!!"**♥ 475source record 32 **Saw that one recently for the first time and it made me actually laugh out loud. Teenage daughter didn't understand why I was laughing. Because EVERY episode had a misunderstanding. That's what annoyed me about that show.**♥ 135source record 33 **Three's Company was farce. Huge, avoidable misunderstandings is pretty much the foundation that farce is built on.**♥ 40source record 34 **I was a little kid and thought everything John Ritter did was funny in that show. That and Benny Hill being chased on his show.**♥ 23source record 35 **I feel like 50% of the episodes of Three's Company involved someone mishearing what someone else said and that would become the plot.**♥ 104source record 360 **There's a scene in Friends where Chandler mentions "Oh this is the episode of Three's Company where there's a misunderstanding" and Phoebe or somebody else says "Oh I've seen that one already"**♥ 15source record 361 **Three’s Company was VERY successful among the kids in my fifth-grade class, which tells you almost everything you need to know about it.**♥ 14source record 362 **Not gonna lie. Laughed my arse off to Jack Tripper as a kid**♥ 9source record 363 **I know the show is very formulaic and redundant, but I love Jack Tripper as a character. John Ritter was a gift to mankind.**♥ 5source record 364 **Me, too. John Ritter inspired me to get into acting and comedy. I loved that show. Watched it again 20+ years later and....yikes! That show did not age well at all.**♥ 2source record 569 **Was this before the bigest misunderstanding in Sitcom history, so big I just need to type "We Were \\\_\\\_ \\\_ \\\_\\\_\\\_\\\_\\\_" and everyone who has seen the show will instantly know. I'd like to know because, it's either a terrible irony, or a delicious self-burn. I fucking loved Three's Company.**♥ 1source record 593 **My first thought! That was the entire concept. To me it reads as a satire but I could be giving it too much credit.**♥ 1source record 1246 **I never really got the appeal of \*Three’s Company\*. There was only ever like, three plot lines. They were all based on one character wanting to deceive another, having things go wrong but it all works out in the end and nobody learns their lesson. Lather, rinse, repeat each week for umpteen seasons.**♥ 1source record 1536 **Threes Company**♥ 2source record 1820 **Three’s Company**♥ -4source record 2010 **You have to watch it like its a cartoon and try to ignore all the jokes about gay people.**♥ 1source record 2393 **The one thing positive I got out of rewatching it years later is recognizing how underrated Joyce DeWitt was.**♥ 1source record 2394 **She mostly seems like the grounded one on the show, like one of the parents in other sitcoms.**♥ 2source record 2395 **She was always the hottest woman on the show. Funny as hell, too.**♥ 1source record 2396 **More like that time period and its homophobia and misogyny didn't. The show was a total lampooning of that attitude.**♥ 1source record 2397 **I watched a couple of episodes recently and they were SO AWFUL!! How was that show ever popular?!?!**♥ -1source record 2556 **I just explained the premise to this show (and Busom Buddies) yesterday to my child who was born in 2001 and had apparently never heard of these shows. Just going over these made me realize they likely couldn't be made today (especially with their original premises).**♥ 5source record 2557 **Three’s Company.**♥ 1source record 2678 **Three's Company.**♥ -1source record 2796 Archive: 24 index entries preserve 24 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Roseanne10 index entriesA handful of answers that draw immediate pushback. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Roseanne Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Roseanne 10 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 490 **Claim context:** Roseanne **Why it matters:** A handful of answers that draw immediate pushback. The stated objections are the setting, the parenting and the children; one record adds that the lead is among the most annoying characters on television. **What readers reported:** Roseanne. Hated the setting, the “jobs” (yeah, I’m making a Loose Meat Sandwich), the parents’ lack of any obvious parenting skills, and the kids were the WORST - ‘way too disrespectful and bratty. Ugly, horrible, not funny. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Every answer in this node is contradicted in its own replies, including by commenters elsewhere in the thread who name it as the one show that let a working-class family look poor and the one that humanised a fat lead. What the replies added2 Wrong. We are all going to assume you meant, “The Conners” and made an unspeakable error. From the replies♥ 11 Because she is one of the most annoying characters in TV history. Fkn Urkel level annoying. From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Agreed but not Roseanne 😭 I loved that show source record 1180♥ 7 Later-arriving source You're right. I forgot all about Roseanne. posted about 15.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source You shut your whore mouth! /s posted about 15.0 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show Within 10 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 10index entries 10distinct source records 2.5%of parent category 0.5%of the complete index 5top-level comments 5replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 9other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments10 preserved records · 10 of 10 source records accounted for **Roseanne. Hated the setting, the “jobs” (yeah, I’m making a Loose Meat Sandwich), the parents’ lack of any obvious parenting skills, and the kids were the WORST - ‘way too disrespectful and bratty. Ugly, horrible, not funny.**♥ 5source record 490 **Roseanne, maybe?**♥ 6source record 563 **You're right. I forgot all about Roseanne.**♥ 1source record 682 **Agreed but not Roseanne 😭 I loved that show**♥ 7source record 1180 **Roseanne**♥ 5source record 1716 **Rosanne**♥ -2source record 1742 **Roseanne**♥ 3source record 2142 **Because she is one of the most annoying characters in TV history. Fkn Urkel level annoying.**♥ 1source record 2682 **You shut your whore mouth! /s**♥ 1source record 2683 **Roseanne and Home Improvement**♥ 1source record 2698 Archive: 10 index entries preserve 10 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Cosby Show3 index entriesThree records, and the argument about whether the question is about the show or the man. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Cosby Show Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Cosby Show 3 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1962 **Claim context:** The Cosby Show **Why it matters:** Three records, and an argument about what the question is asking. Two name the show; the reply insists that the popularity was not undeserved on the evidence of the programme itself, and that what is being answered is a fact about the man rather than the writing. **What readers reported:** Because of Cosby himself you mean then yes but because of quality which is what the question is about then absolutely not. The Cosby Show was such a great sitcom. It’s such a shame that the POS oxygen bandit of a human being who starred in it ruined it for everyone. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The thread does not resolve this. It is the clearest case in the corpus of commenters disagreeing about whether a show and the people who made it can be judged separately. What the replies added1 Because of Cosby himself you mean then yes but because of quality which is what the question is about then absolutely not. The Cosby Show was such a great sitcom. It’s such a shame that the POS oxygen bandit of a human being who starred in it ruined it for everyone. Reported failure♥ 16 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Because of Cosby himself you mean then yes but because of quality which is what the question is about then absolutely not. The Cosby Show was such a great sitcom. It’s such a shame that the POS oxygen bandit of a human being who starred in it ruined it for everyone. source record 1962♥ 16 Later-arriving source The Cosby show posted about 13.0 hours after the source♥ 1 Source spotlight In hindsight, the Cosby Show source record 1961♥ 5 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 3 source records for The Cosby Show together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 3index entries 3distinct source records 0.7%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 2top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments3 preserved records · 3 of 3 source records accounted for **The Cosby show**♥ 1source record 1752 **In hindsight, the Cosby Show**♥ 5source record 1961 **Because of Cosby himself you mean then yes but because of quality which is what the question is about then absolutely not. The Cosby Show was such a great sitcom. It’s such a shame that the POS oxygen bandit of a human being who starred in it ruined it for everyone.**♥ 16source record 1962 Archive: 3 index entries preserve 3 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The 2000s and 2010s201 records · 10 sub-topicsAnswers about writing and endings more than about format. 201 records. How I Met Your Mother92 index entriesThe answer most often qualified by season, and the ending that commenters say rewrote how they remember the rest. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: How I Met Your Mother Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### How I Met Your Mother 92 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 427 **Claim context:** How I Met Your Mother **Why it matters:** The most heavily qualified answer in the corpus. Almost nobody in this node dislikes all of it: the recurring shape is that the early seasons were good, the middle sagged, and the last episode retroactively spoiled the rest. The character-level complaints are consistent — the narrator is described as a self-styled nice guy, his friend as a character several commenters say would be written differently now — and a second group says the show has no rewatch value because the friendships read differently the second time. **What readers reported:** How I Met Your Mother. Nine seasons and they threw away the character development of most of them to go with the original ending that no longer made sense. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** A long defence sits at the top of the largest thread here: that the long-term storytelling was better than its peers', that most people loved it while it aired, and that treating the whole series as bad because of its ending is revisionism. What the replies added2 I've don't think I've ever been so irritated by \_every\_ character in a show before Reported failure♥ 3 How I Met Your Mother caused me to dislike nearly every actor in it. Scrubs made me dislike Zach Braff as well. Everybody Loves Raymond and King of Queens are both unwatchable for me. Big Bang Theory is a waste of time. 2 and a Half Men sucks. 2 Broke Girls is even worse. No substance, even in the lame-ass title. I think that is the point in time when producers stopped giving tv shows proper titles. Just plain lazy. Friends is ok, but its so safe that it becomes background noise, and I hate Ross. Reported failure♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source They’ll be someone answering every sitcom to ever exist here but I think How I Met Your Mother was really clever and had a lot better long term story telling than a lot of other shows, ignoring the last season. I remember genuinely laughing at a number of moments too. source record 1473♥ 335 Later-arriving source Ted wasn’t exactly a great architect though. Obviously, he got his degree, but for all we know, he barely scraped by with passing grades And that would fit with all the stupid stuff he does. Marshall did seem to be a good lawyer, so he was smart in that. But he did so many stupid things outside of his career, that I think it’s close whether he was smart overall or not posted about 15.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source I've watched the pilot twice but never got any further posted about 2.7 hours after the source♥ -7 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Two and a Half Men“big bang theory” · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-1-two-and-a-half-men)[Young Sheldon and the spin-offs“big bang theory” · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-3-young-sheldon-and-the-spin-offs) #### What the counts show The exact phrase “big bang theory” recurs across 4 of the 92 source records in How I Met Your Mother; the complete archive stays available below. 92index entries 92distinct source records 45.8%of parent category 4.6%of the complete index 45top-level comments 47replies #### What commenters explicitly report 2explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 33asks a question 0says they intend to try it 57other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments92 preserved records · 92 of 92 source records accounted for **Very true. Hell I love How I Met Your Mother. It’s not my favorite sitcom anymore but it was for many years. Reddit likes to retroactively pretend it’s one of the worst shows ever because of the ending. Most people were \*enamored\* with it when it was releasing. It’s fine to not like the ending but pretending the whole thing sucks has become such an echo chamber.**♥ 33source record 270 **The hate you have for ELR, I have for how I ket your mother. Every criticism you've posted can be applied to HIMYM.**♥ 13source record 351 **Hot take but How I met Your Mother. The main character is insufferable and neil patrick harris’s character is so corny**♥ 255source record 374 **I cannot stand Ted, but mainly because I’ve known so many asshole dudes who think girls don’t like them because they’re too nice. I’ve never met a self described nice guy who was actually pleasant to be around. Like Ted, they focus on saying and doing “the right thing” in an effort to get women to like them, not because they are actually nice. If you’re only being nice because you want to sleep with someone, you’re not actually a nice person, you’re viewing relationships as a transaction and then getting mad if someone doesn’t want to give you what you think you paid for. Fuck Ted.**♥ 48source record 375 **Ted would've used the one wish willow is what you say**♥ 23source record 376 **He would have and he wouldn’t have felt even the tiniest bit bad about it. He would loudly proclaim that he feels bad about it though, and he that wishes there was something he could do about it, but there’s nothing he can do. He would also say that he’s the real victim of the wish as Robin screams in terror on the other side of the line.**♥ 6source record 377 **Everyone on that show seemed like the worst version of the friends you had in your twenties. The ones you didn't really like or trust. It was a pretty awful show.**♥ 5source record 378 **The show is cringe as fuck Also, if it came out today, people would be calling barney a rapist**♥ 29source record 379 **Tbf, Barney is a caricature of how Barney probably actually was based on Ted, who was an incredibly unreliable narrator**♥ 19source record 380 **That may be the case but I still have to watch him in that form**♥ 18source record 381 **How I Met Your Mother. Nine seasons and they threw away the character development of most of them to go with the original ending that no longer made sense.**♥ 65source record 427 **how I met your mother**♥ 54source record 478 **\[Obligatory alternate ending link\](\[link removed\] As a fan of the show, I don't ever rewatch the last episode since this is the superior ending**♥ 1source record 928 **The people who liked the show but hated the ending are idiots anyways, anyone who was paying attention knew how the show would end by the end of the pilot**♥ 2source record 939 **HIMYM should be on that list, and it would be perfect.**♥ 1source record 957 **Ted wasn’t exactly a great architect though. Obviously, he got his degree, but for all we know, he barely scraped by with passing grades And that would fit with all the stupid stuff he does. Marshall did seem to be a good lawyer, so he was smart in that. But he did so many stupid things outside of his career, that I think it’s close whether he was smart overall or not**♥ 1source record 1108 **And the ending was the most disgusting and ridiculous**♥ 4source record 1199 **Hated that show after season 1**♥ 2source record 1223 **It was shit Friends, which was shit itself.**♥ 3source record 1225 **I hear this a lot about him and while I think it’s totally fine to just hate him, I do also think that his character arc in general is a good illustration of what it can be like for a lot of people around that age looking for love. No one has things all figured out when it comes dating and relationships. There’s no instruction manual, and often at his age people delude themselves into thinking they’re good people without recognizing their flaws as a partner. No matter how well intentioned one is, it takes time and experience and, most importantly, a shitload of mistakes and terrible decisions that hurt other people to learn and grow enough to become someone worth staying with. And plenty of people never actually figure it out, they just continue to go on hurting other people with no sense self awareness. With that in mind while I do generally find Ted’s personality to be a bit insufferable, I see and respect what they were trying to get across with his character arc and feel like that aspect of him they pulled off decently well.**♥ 1source record 1247 **How I Met Your Mother. I've never been able to make it through an episode of that show. Don't get the appeal.**♥ 10source record 1375 **How I met your Mother. It’s not terrible but extremely over rated in my opinion**♥ 4source record 1387 **That show is so boring, 4 people just drinking and yapping about their dull lives**♥ 4source record 1431 **it's such a terrible show 💩 📺**♥ 3source record 1444 **How I Met Your Mother 🤢**♥ 1source record 1465 **How I met your mother**♥ 313source record 1472 **They’ll be someone answering every sitcom to ever exist here but I think How I Met Your Mother was really clever and had a lot better long term story telling than a lot of other shows, ignoring the last season. I remember genuinely laughing at a number of moments too.**♥ 335source record 1473 **yeah it was the only sitcom that ever caught my attention. Last season was trash but the rest was solid. I think at the end it was victim to its own success and ran for longer than planned. First seasons were written in a way to end them with him finding the mother, then with Stella they departed from that.**♥ 79source record 1474 **Honestly, when I think back to the last season my friends and I watched it live, even though we all had DVR by then. Almost everything at the wedding was fun. It’s just the last 2 episodes that left a terrible taste in everyone’s mouth. I did a rewatch a few years again when “how I met your father” came out and for the most part I enjoyed the show even most of the last season. It was a neat concept to have basically 20 episodes take place in one weekend and they did a lot of fun stuff. Across the whole show much of the humor did not age well at all but for the most part it was good. It was very much of its time. However “Parks and Rec” was a started a few years later and occupied most of the same time and the humor in that show has aged significantly better.**♥ 25source record 1475 **Yeah that show had great writers and I loved the characters.**♥ 5source record 1476 **I love the show, except for the last few seasons. It has some jokes that didn't age well, and in later seasons they tried to make Lily do way too much, but overall it's a fun show and I've laughed at it quite a bit.**♥ 22source record 1477 **It was also one of the few single camera shows with a laugh track. It was filmed as a traditional single camera show (I think), but with a lot of multi-camera style shots and editing. It was shot with pauses where laughs were anticipated, then the finished episode was shown to an audience in a theater (on a screen) and the laugh track was mixed in. I like when someone makes something in a very untraditional way that's not obvious. Like Succession being shot on analog film, yet using a ton of techniques that were much easier to do on digital video: natural lighting, long takes, shoulder-mounted cameras, improvising, etc. It must have been a nightmare to edit. And when you film a scene using natural light at dusk, you get one attempt per day to get it right, and you don't know if you got it right until the film is developed. I'm surprised they found production houses that could edit film for a TV show. I was under the impression that even movies were having difficulty finding film production resources for a while (although I think it's settled to a baseline of film production capability in the industry.)**♥ 4source record 1478 **I'll agree. Everything but the last season was good enough and worth a few laughs.**♥ 3source record 1479 **First 3 seasons were great. The drop off was noticeable afterwards but it was still watchable**♥ 3source record 1480 **HIMYM was awesome.**♥ 10source record 1481 **Neil Patrick Harris had some good lines.**♥ 70source record 1482 **No, at the time it was a solid show, but there’s now a lot of revisionism about it because people hated the ending so much. It was the sitcom version of Game of Thrones. When you add in that a lot of the jokes didn’t age well, it’s definitely not a great show when viewed by a more modern audience, but for the time, it was pretty solid.**♥ 15source record 1483 **I probably have a bias towards this because when it was at its peak, everyone was quoting it and talking about it \*all\* the time. The trickle down effect from it turned me off from ever trying to watch it in the first place. Idk, maybe it’s not my humor style but it just grated on me like no other.**♥ 10source record 1484 **Being honest i never liked this show. Nph was doing all the heavy lifting and when I was watching it I found it as a slog. I made it to the laser tag episode and went "i have not laughed at a character who wasnt Neil in about 8 episodes I think im done"**♥ 8source record 1485 **It was fun in its time, but the ending sucks and the humor hasn't really held up well.**♥ 4source record 1486 **How I met your mother**♥ 9source record 1492 **How I Met Your Mother. I loved it at first but it should have ended \*\*a lot\*\* sooner than it did. The episode where Jason Segel’s character’s dad dies was heartbreaking, though.**♥ 4source record 1561 **Jason Segel hard carried that show. For all of the flaws that show had, Marshall was a top tier sitcom character and Segel played him perfectly. I'll watch anything with him in it. Shrinking is probably one of the best shows on right now.**♥ 3source record 1572 **Most of these are products of their time. I watched HIMYM as it was coming out, it ended when I was in college and people would get together to watch it. Then they completely botched the ending. I tried to watch it years later and I couldn't stand anyone but Marshall.**♥ 2source record 1619 **Yeah i really enjoyed HIMYM. The ending just didn't land for me. But it is a pretty good sit com otherwise.**♥ 2source record 1636 **It has no rewatch potential. I enjoyed my first watch, every character is endearing and funny, but on the second watch, you see that actually everyone is an ingratiating asshole.**♥ 5source record 1638 **The first 4 seasons were fantastic, imo. Dropped off beyond that... but was mostly just \*fine,\* not awful.**♥ 2source record 1647 **Really never made it through a whole show**♥ 0source record 1650 **This is my answer. Finally saw a few episodes and can't understand how people like it. The replies here are saying how clever it is and I just can't believe anyone would ever say that.**♥ 3source record 1651 **From what I remember, IMO the show was really fun from like Seasons 1-6 and like you said it had better long term storytelling than most other sitcoms. It felt focused in a way that made the show better. Seasons 7-8 weren't as good but what's weird is, if you ask me Season 9 was actually an improvement - Cristin Milioti was impossibly cast as The Mother and everybody loved her, she was a great addition to the cast, and the show actually seemed to get better until that absolute garbage fire of an ending.**♥ 1source record 1659 **I to this day can't understand HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER what even was that garbage But the worst ever was definitely HOME IMPROVEMENT**♥ 2source record 1695 **how i met your mother ¯\\\\\\\_(ツ)\\\_/¯**♥ 3source record 1709 **HIMYM**♥ 2source record 1740 **How I Met Your Mother. People tend to say the ending was bad, but nope it was bad the whole way through. None of the characters are likeable, bar maybe Marshall. I don’t understand how people always rag on The Big Bang Theory yet this always gets a pass**♥ 1source record 1750 **How I Met Your Mother was absolutely fucking insufferable**♥ 15source record 1758 **I rewatched some of how I met your mother recently and it has not aged well…**♥ 4source record 1760 **How I met your mother.Dire.**♥ 2source record 1793 **How I met your mother**♥ 2source record 1794 **How I Met Your Mother**♥ 2source record 1818 **How I Met Your Mother. The jokes were stale. The laugh track was loud. It was extremely poorly written.**♥ 2source record 1834 **How i met your mother**♥ 1source record 1836 **How I Met Your Mother**♥ 3source record 1864 **How I Met Your Mother… utter garbage**♥ 2source record 1874 **Himym**♥ 2source record 1906 **Kind of shocked “how I met your mother” isn’t top comment**♥ 2source record 1911 **I've don't think I've ever been so irritated by \_every\_ character in a show before**♥ 3source record 1942 **How I Met Your Mother**♥ 3source record 1978 **How I Met Your Mother caused me to dislike nearly every actor in it. Scrubs made me dislike Zach Braff as well. Everybody Loves Raymond and King of Queens are both unwatchable for me. Big Bang Theory is a waste of time. 2 and a Half Men sucks. 2 Broke Girls is even worse. No substance, even in the lame-ass title. I think that is the point in time when producers stopped giving tv shows proper titles. Just plain lazy. Friends is ok, but its so safe that it becomes background noise, and I hate Ross.**♥ 1source record 1996 **How I Met Your Mother. And that's not supposed to be some edgy take, I just have a very very hard time with it but I know it's very beloved.**♥ 1source record 2021 **"How I Met Your Mother". I love comedy, but for all the episodes of that show I have ever sat through for one reason or another, it has made me chuckle exactly once (with the "freeze-frame high-five"). Every single second of the show that wasn't that gag has never made me even crack a smile.**♥ 1source record 2022 **HIMYM. Basically a clone of Friends.**♥ 1source record 2084 **HIMYM or Big Bang. I know they're some obvious answers but... fucking hell.**♥ 3source record 2154 **How I met your mother**♥ 2source record 2156 **How I Met Your Mother.**♥ 1source record 2180 **How I Met Your Mother**♥ 1source record 2182 **HIMYM. It’s an awful show. I watched the entire series and I couldn’t tell you one funny line**♥ 1source record 2189 **how I met your mother**♥ 1source record 2191 **I’ve watched them both several times but know ultimately they aren’t great HIMYM and Big Bang Theory. HIMYM holds up worse to growing older and the changing world though. Sitcoms are a snapshot of their time period though and aren’t meant to be pieces of art meant to stand the test of time.**♥ 1source record 2192 **"How I met the Big Bang Friends"**♥ 1source record 2193 **How I met your mother**♥ 1source record 2194 **How I Met Your Mother. It was Friends 2.0.**♥ 1source record 2199 **How I Met Your Mother. So unfunny**♥ 1source record 2292 **How I Met Your Mother and The Big Bang Theory are insufferable**♥ 0source record 2311 **How I met your mother. I was able to get in to many other shows but this one just grated on my nerves. Every character annoyed the hell out of me. Didn't care about ANY of them. Poor writing, story, and acting IMO. I never believed Doogie to be a womanizer - he tried too hard. The lead character was so self absorbed, I couldn't stand him. Robin was mediocre. Nothing special even though they tried to make her someone special. I just don't see what anyone else saw in that show..**♥ 1source record 2351 **How I met your mother**♥ 1source record 2382 **It has absolutely nothing to do with his morality, he’s corny af**♥ 4source record 2533 **How I met your mother**♥ 3source record 2608 **I enjoyed it at the time as well but i attempted a rewatch and it has aged really poorly.**♥ 1source record 2616 **You’re right, there is five, Barney’s at least funny at times but that’s about it**♥ 1source record 2624 **Yes, absolute terrible drivel.**♥ -1source record 2648 **I've watched the pilot twice but never got any further**♥ -7source record 2666 **How I met your mother**♥ 1source record 2697 Archive: 92 index entries preserve 92 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Office19 index entriesNamed by people who dislike the format itself as much as the show. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Office Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Office 19 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1977 **Claim context:** The Office **Why it matters:** The complaint in this node is more often about the form than the programme: several commenters say they cannot watch the mockumentary style at all, and name every show that uses it. The show-specific objections are the cruelty of the lead's treatment of one colleague and the pauses to camera. **What readers reported:** The Office (US). It took a half decent and well-written premise and turned it into just this side of slop. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The strongest opposing view inside the node is about the adaptation rather than the format: one commenter argues the American version lost the point of the British one by making it warm. What replies pushed back on1 Both versions, I know a lot of people disagree with me on this but Ricky Gervais just isn't funny he's a arrogant prick who insults you an smiles while doing it and believes he's the smartest man in the room if not the planet for doing so. Pushback♥ 1 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint It's not the worst but idk just couldn't get into the office after multiple tries source record 2062♥ 3 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source The Office, I hate everything about that show, boring and just stupid. source record 1379♥ 8 Later-arriving source The Office. It's just not even funny at all. posted about 12.0 hours after the source♥ 4 Zero-like source The office. I’m not saying it should’ve been canned after one season, but it still has a huge following today and I can’t understand why. “Hey isn’t it funny when I do outrageously cruel stuff to my coworker? Isn’t it even funnier when that coworker is portrayed as being on the spectrum?” “Oh my gosh, something awkward just happened, let’s all mug to camera like a YouTube thumbnail for 15 unbroken seconds! So random lol!!” posted about 6.4 hours after the source♥ -3 #### What the counts show Within 19 source records, 0 explicitly report a benefit and 1 explicitly report a limit or failure. These are attributed experiences, not effectiveness data. 19index entries 19distinct source records 9.5%of parent category 1%of the complete index 18top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 17other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments19 preserved records · 19 of 19 source records accounted for **The Office, I hate everything about that show, boring and just stupid.**♥ 8source record 1379 **The Office. It's just not even funny at all.**♥ 4source record 1624 **the office.**♥ 4source record 1840 **All of the mockumentary shows that WASNT The Office back in 2010\. Hot take**♥ 1source record 1847 **the office.**♥ 4source record 1894 **the office. I CANNOT stand that damn show.**♥ 2source record 1924 **The office.**♥ 6source record 1967 **The Office (US). It took a half decent and well-written premise and turned it into just this side of slop.**♥ 5source record 1977 **The Office**♥ 0source record 2033 **It's not the worst but idk just couldn't get into the office after multiple tries**♥ 3source record 2062 **The office. I’m not saying it should’ve been canned after one season, but it still has a huge following today and I can’t understand why. “Hey isn’t it funny when I do outrageously cruel stuff to my coworker? Isn’t it even funnier when that coworker is portrayed as being on the spectrum?” “Oh my gosh, something awkward just happened, let’s all mug to camera like a YouTube thumbnail for 15 unbroken seconds! So random lol!!”**♥ -3source record 2134 **The Office US**♥ 1source record 2200 **The Office US**♥ 3source record 2245 **The office Seinfeld**♥ 2source record 2252 **The office. Boring as hell and not funny at all**♥ 2source record 2257 **Both versions, I know a lot of people disagree with me on this but Ricky Gervais just isn't funny he's a arrogant prick who insults you an smiles while doing it and believes he's the smartest man in the room if not the planet for doing so.**♥ 1source record 2258 **The US office. They completely lost the point when adapting a British classic. Turned it into a soppy mess.**♥ 1source record 2259 **The Office.**♥ 1source record 2265 **The Office**♥ 1source record 2347 Archive: 19 index entries preserve 19 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Modern Family11 index entriesShort answers about predictability, and one defence. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Modern Family Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Modern Family 11 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2298 **Claim context:** Modern Family **Why it matters:** Short answers with one shared complaint: that the family structure was treated as the joke, and that the situations underneath it are predictable. One commenter says the children are written and played badly. **What readers reported:** Modern Family. Humorless scenarios do not suddenly become hilarious because the family featured are "unconventional". **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One reply in the node defends it on the grounds that the show is built to pay off slowly, and that the characters only work once you know them. What the replies added2 Comedy is very subjective but I really loved that show, especially once you got to know the characters. From the replies♥ 3 Obviously most don’t but I agree with you. Unlikeable characters, and the kids are all badly written and acted From the replies #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I just cannot get into Modern Family. I've tried. I hate everything about it. Also, how I met your mother. My man watches it and I just don't get it. source record 1804♥ 6 Later-arriving source Modern Family. Humorless scenarios do not suddenly become hilarious because the family featured are "unconventional". posted about 12.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Modern Family, The Office, Parks and Rec, anything with that damn mockumetary style. posted about 3.7 hours after the source♥ -16 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 11 source records for Modern Family together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 11index entries 11distinct source records 5.5%of parent category 0.6%of the complete index 9top-level comments 2replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 11other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments11 preserved records · 11 of 11 source records accounted for **Modern Family**♥ 3source record 1628 **I just cannot get into Modern Family. I've tried. I hate everything about it. Also, how I met your mother. My man watches it and I just don't get it.**♥ 6source record 1804 **Modern Family. My better half really likes it but I found it to be very predictable and just not very funny at all. Others may well disagree though and that's fine.**♥ 4source record 1887 **Modern Family**♥ 1source record 2116 **Modern Family**♥ 1source record 2175 **Modern Family. Humorless scenarios do not suddenly become hilarious because the family featured are "unconventional".**♥ 1source record 2298 **modern family**♥ -19source record 2305 **Comedy is very subjective but I really loved that show, especially once you got to know the characters.**♥ 3source record 2306 **Obviously most don’t but I agree with you. Unlikeable characters, and the kids are all badly written and acted**♥ 0source record 2307 **Modern Family**♥ -1source record 2734 **Modern Family, The Office, Parks and Rec, anything with that damn mockumetary style.**♥ -16source record 2781 Archive: 11 index entries preserve 11 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Middle16 index entriesAlmost every record compares it to another show rather than judging it alone. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Middle Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Middle 16 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1672 **Claim context:** The Middle **Why it matters:** Almost every record here judges it against another show rather than on its own: commenters call it a weaker version of a series with a similar name and describe the resemblance between two of its characters and that show's. The direct complaints are that the mother enables what she then explodes about and that the youngest child exists to move the plot. **What readers reported:** The Middle I can't stand any of the characters. -Mom enables the family and then blows up on them for behaviour she is enabling. -Dad is so oblivious to the world around him it's a wonder how he gets dressed in the morning. -Axl sucks. He's just a whinny teenager. No other qualities. -Sue is weirdly obsessive and can't stick with anything long enough to get good at it -Brick is just there for plot convenience. If he isn't acting like rain man he's causing a problem for someone else **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** It is also used elsewhere in the thread as the safe alternative to the shows people hate, and one commenter defends it precisely for not being a series of jokes about how much a family dislikes each other. What the replies added2 I feel like it’s a bit of a knock-off to Malcolm in the Middle, but not good. From the replies♥ 9 It also got unfairly compared to Malcolm in the Middle because it had middle in the name, and there were 3 kids (There is Francis, but he was off doing his own plots) From the replies♥ 8 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source The Middle I can't stand any of the characters. -Mom enables the family and then blows up on them for behaviour she is enabling. -Dad is so oblivious to the world around him it's a wonder how he gets dressed in the morning. -Axl sucks. He's just a whinny teenager. No other qualities. -Sue is weirdly obsessive and can't stick with anything long enough to get good at it -Brick is just there for plot convenience. If he isn't acting like rain man he's causing a problem for someone else source record 1672♥ 28 Later-arriving source Never understood why "the Middle" got as much as it did. It wasn't that bad, but I never could get past the trying to ride off "Malcolm in the Middle" reputation. That kept me from giving it a chance. posted about 15.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Tbf, the middle is pretty bad too posted about 4.7 hours after the source♥ -3 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “malcolm in the middle” recurs across 4 of the 16 source records in The Middle; the complete archive stays available below. 16index entries 16distinct source records 8%of parent category 0.8%of the complete index 7top-level comments 9replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 15other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments16 preserved records · 16 of 16 source records accounted for **The Middle episode with Ray’s cameo is stupid and contrived. Otherwise, I adore that show: a much better vehicle for Patricia.**♥ 3source record 1182 **Ray's cameo on The Middle \*really\* creeped me out.**♥ 3source record 1183 **Never understood why "the Middle" got as much as it did. It wasn't that bad, but I never could get past the trying to ride off "Malcolm in the Middle" reputation. That kept me from giving it a chance.**♥ 1source record 1466 **The Middle I can't stand any of the characters. -Mom enables the family and then blows up on them for behaviour she is enabling. -Dad is so oblivious to the world around him it's a wonder how he gets dressed in the morning. -Axl sucks. He's just a whinny teenager. No other qualities. -Sue is weirdly obsessive and can't stick with anything long enough to get good at it -Brick is just there for plot convenience. If he isn't acting like rain man he's causing a problem for someone else**♥ 28source record 1672 **I feel like it’s a bit of a knock-off to Malcolm in the Middle, but not good.**♥ 9source record 1673 **The Middle love Neil Flynn as the Janitor in Scrubs, but he couldn't make me laugh once on that show.**♥ 2source record 1726 **It also got unfairly compared to Malcolm in the Middle because it had middle in the name, and there were 3 kids (There is Francis, but he was off doing his own plots)**♥ 8source record 1728 **The Middle. It is the laziest b-side compilation of joke rejects from the show it’s ripping off.**♥ 2source record 1917 **I gave up on scrolling but my in laws always watched the middle when my husband and I were dating and I couldn’t stand that show.**♥ 1source record 1997 **In the Middle**♥ 1source record 2079 **The middle**♥ -3source record 2278 **Temu Malcolm In The Middle**♥ 19source record 2279 **Thank you omg I thought I was crazy when I saw it and thought it was a remake?**♥ -2source record 2280 **It's legit wild how the mom and youngest brother look like evil universe doppelgangers of Lois and Dewey.**♥ 0source record 2281 **Tbf, the middle is pretty bad too**♥ -3source record 2538 **I like The Middle alright. It's not my absolute favorite or anything, but at least the show is not just a series of jokes about how much everybody hates each other. It may not be hugely memorable or overly entertaining, but the show doesn't actively piss me off like every character from Raymond.**♥ 2source record 2539 Archive: 16 index entries preserve 16 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs New Girl7 index entriesAnswers about how the performances read now. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: New Girl Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### New Girl 7 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1696 **Claim context:** New Girl **Why it matters:** The complaint here is about performance and about how the writing reads now: commenters describe the two leads as uncomfortable to watch and the central performance as flat and mannered. **What readers reported:** New Girl. It has some funny scenes but the acting is outdated and when you watch Nick and Jess it gets uncomfortable because of how millennial they’re written as and Zooey’s flat weird performance. The show simply aged kinda bad **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One record argues the show's strength was every character except the title one, which another commenter rejects on the grounds that all of them were vapid. What replies pushed back on1 I respectfully disagree. I found them all incredibly vapid and unrelateable. Pushback♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source The greatest strength of New Girl was everyone other than the titular character. source record 2071♥ 6 Later-arriving source New Girl. It has some funny scenes but the acting is outdated and when you watch Nick and Jess it gets uncomfortable because of how millennial they’re written as and Zooey’s flat weird performance. The show simply aged kinda bad posted about 13.7 hours after the source♥ 2 Low-like source I respectfully disagree. I found them all incredibly vapid and unrelateable. posted about 8.4 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 7 source records for New Girl together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 7index entries 7distinct source records 3.5%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 5top-level comments 2replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 7other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments7 preserved records · 7 of 7 source records accounted for **New Girl. It has some funny scenes but the acting is outdated and when you watch Nick and Jess it gets uncomfortable because of how millennial they’re written as and Zooey’s flat weird performance. The show simply aged kinda bad**♥ 2source record 1696 **New Girl**♥ 2source record 1697 **New girl**♥ 1source record 1936 **New Girl**♥ -4source record 2069 **The greatest strength of New Girl was everyone other than the titular character.**♥ 6source record 2071 **I respectfully disagree. I found them all incredibly vapid and unrelateable.**♥ 1source record 2072 **The New Girl**♥ 0source record 2744 Archive: 7 index entries preserve 7 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Ranch29 index entriesThe answer with the most consistent single reason attached to it anywhere in the corpus. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Ranch Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Ranch 29 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 84 **Claim context:** The Ranch **Why it matters:** The most consistent single reason attached to any answer in the corpus. Record after record names the laughter over the top of it, and several say they assumed on first watching that the show was parodying the device. The other recurring points are that the writing is an old-fashioned sitcom with swearing added, and that it arrived twenty years after the format it was using. **What readers reported:** No love for The Ranch? It's unwatchable. The laugh-track is so overbearing that it feels like a parody. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** A few commenters describe watching it happily as a guilty pleasure and stopping only because of what later emerged about one of its cast, which is a different reason from the one the rest of the node gives. What the replies added2 I couldn't make it through one episode mainly because of that stupid laugh track. And I agree that it feels like a parody. I thought they were doing a bit until I realized that it was just an actual laugh track. From the replies♥ 379 Unpopular opinion, but I like laugh tracks as an artifact of a different time, but somehow on a \_new\_ show on \_Netflix\_ it felt like it shouldn't exist. Laugh tracks and oldschool TV go together well, they make you feel like you're in the studio audience along with everyone else watching TV at that scheduled time. But on Netflix? Who knows who is watching at that time, it's all discombobulated. They could be watching, they might not be. There's no sense that anyone else is watching across the world, so there is no audience. And likely no studio audience either. From the replies♥ 268 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint This show is absolute garbage. I hated it before watching an episode so I gave it a chance and sat through 3 and now I hate it even more. source record 622♥ 7 Explicit limit or counterpoint absolutely hated the ranch! I love Sam Elliott, so I gave it 3 episodes. Each one got worse and worse... source record 661♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source No love for The Ranch? It's unwatchable. The laugh-track is so overbearing that it feels like a parody. source record 84♥ 2,105 Later-arriving source absolutely hated the ranch! I love Sam Elliott, so I gave it 3 episodes. Each one got worse and worse... posted about 14.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source My dad starting watching the first episode once and it was so bad I was just watching him to see if he would turn it off himself and then had to leave the room when he didn’t. posted about 6.2 hours after the source #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [The one-vote answers“that 70s show” · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-9-subgroup-0-the-one-vote-answers) #### What the counts show The exact phrase “the first episode” recurs across 4 of the 29 source records in The Ranch; the complete archive stays available below. 29index entries 29distinct source records 14.4%of parent category 1.5%of the complete index 1top-level comments 28replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 2explicitly reports a limit or failure 4asks a question 1says they intend to try it 22other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments29 preserved records · 29 of 29 source records accounted for **No love for The Ranch? It's unwatchable. The laugh-track is so overbearing that it feels like a parody.**♥ 2,105source record 84 **I couldn't make it through one episode mainly because of that stupid laugh track. And I agree that it feels like a parody. I thought they were doing a bit until I realized that it was just an actual laugh track.**♥ 379source record 85 **Unpopular opinion, but I like laugh tracks as an artifact of a different time, but somehow on a \_new\_ show on \_Netflix\_ it felt like it shouldn't exist. Laugh tracks and oldschool TV go together well, they make you feel like you're in the studio audience along with everyone else watching TV at that scheduled time. But on Netflix? Who knows who is watching at that time, it's all discombobulated. They could be watching, they might not be. There's no sense that anyone else is watching across the world, so there is no audience. And likely no studio audience either.**♥ 268source record 86 **FYI they weren’t laugh tracks, they were studio audiences reacting to the performance**♥ 25source record 87 **The Ranch is my special mention. My ex liked it (derogatory) and so naturally I was subjected to one episode with the old adage, "nooo, its funny, you'll like it" and I was subsequently so creeped out by Danny Masterson and his porn-brained "character" that I knew that m'fucker was a rapist before the allegations came out.**♥ 184source record 88 **That show was 20 years behind the times. Probably would have been huge in the 90s**♥ 33source record 89 **I am just now remembering this show and I believe I also only watched it because and ex was watching it. I didn't care for it, but it was nice seeing Debra Winger.**♥ 17source record 90 **I actually enjoyed it, but dropped after the crap came out about Hyde’s actor. Maybe I just have bad taste lol**♥ 15source record 597 **yuhh me too but mostly as a guilty pleasure type thing. it scratched a dumb itch for me but i can understand why a lot of folks dislike it “what the fuck’s on your feet” is a line that will live rent free in my head for the rest of my life tho**♥ 5source record 598 **functionally no different when they’re being signaled to laugh**♥ 14source record 600 **There's a very broad gap between Friends and The Ranch.**♥ 5source record 602 **That’s why I watch it. That sweet, sweet cringe. Also Sam Elliott’s voice is just fucking soothing. Stopped when the Masterson shit came to light tho. Now I think about, I can’t remember a single fucking thing about it other than cows were in it occasionally.**♥ 3source record 618 **I couldn't watch it because my dad was too similar to Sam Elliot's character, especially the "im not too old to kick your ass" bit in the first episode. Felt to relatable to Ashton Kutcher's character, those two things made me need to stay far from the show.**♥ 9source record 621 **This show is absolute garbage. I hated it before watching an episode so I gave it a chance and sat through 3 and now I hate it even more.**♥ 7source record 622 **I dated a guy (who I later ghosted because I found out he was a Nazi, long story) who fucking loved this show and made me watch it with him once. I was a homeless addict at the time and was living on his couch for a few days so I pretended it was great.**♥ 6source record 635 **No doubt -- I never understood why this thing was ever popular. It's impossible to talk about this show without the Masterson stuff, but as a show it was like they tried to capture the magic of That 70s Show again, but it just sucked. It was a cheesy, goofy sitcom with R-Rated writing, and those two elements just don't mix well.**♥ 3source record 637 **My dad starting watching the first episode once and it was so bad I was just watching him to see if he would turn it off himself and then had to leave the room when he didn’t.**♥ 0source record 642 **I couldn’t make it past the first ten minutes because of that laugh track. Nothing funny was happening.**♥ 1source record 644 **I tried twice, couldn't get past the first episode**♥ 1source record 653 **Woah, I have been told to watch that show numerous times over the years and just never felt the need to. But, really? It has a laugh track!? Glad I never started watching it**♥ 1source record 657 **Yeah I got through two episodes and stopped. The entire hook was "look it's a traditional sitcom but they say fuck and shit a lot!"**♥ 1source record 659 **absolutely hated the ranch! I love Sam Elliott, so I gave it 3 episodes. Each one got worse and worse...**♥ 1source record 661 **Looked good, fired up episode 1\. Then I heard the laugh track and promptly turned it off about 5 mins in.**♥ 1source record 683 **I got almost all the way through the first episode. \*Almost\*. Never went back.**♥ 1source record 684 **I feel like The Ranch was maybe popular in the US but not elsewhere? I have no idea. I live in Canada, and while I know many people who have watched and enjoyed things like The Big Bang Theory (no thanks), I don't think I know a single person who has ever talked about The Ranch. I've never seen a single episode of it (even before the whole Danny Masterson rape conviction and all) even though I loved That 70s Show.**♥ 1source record 685 **I was going to watch that show, but then I remembered that the main reason I watched That 70s Show was Topher Grace. So I never got around to watching it.**♥ 1source record 686 **It debuted on April Fool’s and the trailer looked so bad I thought it was an April Fool’s joke.**♥ 0source record 2482 **I was so pissed at how bad that was. Danny Masterson aside, I love Sam Elliot and wanted it to be good. But it just sucked so bad.**♥ 0source record 2484 **3 Emmys for cinematography lol**♥ 1source record 2486 Archive: 29 index entries preserve 29 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Goldbergs4 index entriesFour records that agree on where it stopped working. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Goldbergs Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Goldbergs 4 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2081 **Claim context:** The Goldbergs **Why it matters:** Four records that agree on the shape of the decline: an enjoyable first couple of seasons, then a fixed formula, then characters hardening into caricatures of themselves and a cast change that removed what the commenters say was left. **What readers reported:** The Goldbergs was fantastic for all of 2 seasons before dropping into an insanely formulaic, dull pattern with the same plot points every episode, characters becoming a cariacature of themselves. It’s a shame, I was a fan. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Nobody in this node argues the show was always bad; the objection is to how long it continued after it stopped working. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Goldbergs was funny at first, but after a couple seasons just turned into "everybody being loud and shouting all the time" and stopped being as funny. Then the actor who plays the dad got booted and it lost its last funny character. source record 1685♥ 9 Later-arriving source I couldn’t stand the goldbergs posted about 12.4 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source The Goldbergs was fantastic for all of 2 seasons before dropping into an insanely formulaic, dull pattern with the same plot points every episode, characters becoming a cariacature of themselves. It’s a shame, I was a fan. posted about 9.6 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show Within 4 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 4index entries 4distinct source records 2%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 3top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments4 preserved records · 4 of 4 source records accounted for **Goldbergs was funny at first, but after a couple seasons just turned into "everybody being loud and shouting all the time" and stopped being as funny. Then the actor who plays the dad got booted and it lost its last funny character.**♥ 9source record 1685 **The Goldbergs was fantastic for all of 2 seasons before dropping into an insanely formulaic, dull pattern with the same plot points every episode, characters becoming a cariacature of themselves. It’s a shame, I was a fan.**♥ 1source record 2081 **I couldn’t stand the goldbergs**♥ 1source record 2275 **I don't know if it's even popular, but...The Goldbergs. I despised every single one of them (except grandpa). They make you think it's going to be nostalgic, in the vein of The Wonder Years, and it is just so so so stupid. I want to rip that stupid yellow wig off the mother and stuff it down the garbage disposal. Funny, it popped up on cable tv here and there, but never stuck. Does it have a following?**♥ 2source record 2588 Archive: 4 index entries preserve 4 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Schitt's Creek7 index entriesRecords offered as deliberately unpopular opinions, each drawing a reply. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Schitt's Creek Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Schitt's Creek 7 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1594 **Claim context:** Schitt's Creek **Why it matters:** Offered three times as a deliberately unpopular opinion. The criticism is that the humour comes from the characters being insufferable and from a fish-out-of-water joke that never progresses, and that its reputation is out of proportion to the writing. **What readers reported:** This is probably going to be the most unpopular opinion on this thread, but I'll say it anyway - Schitt's Creek. Now, it's definitely not the worst sitcom per se, and from what I've seen over the years it's perceived as universally loved and that is the part that I don't get. It's just so... Mediocre? The writing is lazy and most of the humor derives from the characters being insufferable and "oh boy we sure don't know how to be poor and we'll never learn hyuk hyuk hyuk". And yeah, first and foremost it's a comfort show for a lot of people, I get it. No one is homophobic, everyone is so accepting, it's all rainbows and sunshine and it's all really great for escapism (which is probably even more relevant now than when the show first aired). But as far as I'm concerned, the biggest legacy that Schitt's creek left behind is a bunch of generic reaction gifs. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Each of those records is answered in place. The standing reply is that the characters change substantially over the run and that anyone judging it on the first few episodes has not seen the show the rest of the audience is describing. What the replies added2 I’d agree with that if you only watched the first few episodes but the characters grew significantly during the show’s run. From the replies♥ 3 its universally loved bc objectively its a great show From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source This is probably going to be the most unpopular opinion on this thread, but I'll say it anyway - Schitt's Creek. Now, it's definitely not the worst sitcom per se, and from what I've seen over the years it's perceived as universally loved and that is the part that I don't get. It's just so... Mediocre? The writing is lazy and most of the humor derives from the characters being insufferable and "oh boy we sure don't know how to be poor and we'll never learn hyuk hyuk hyuk". And yeah, first and foremost it's a comfort show for a lot of people, I get it. No one is homophobic, everyone is so accepting, it's all rainbows and sunshine and it's all really great for escapism (which is probably even more relevant now than when the show first aired). But as far as I'm concerned, the biggest legacy that Schitt's creek left behind is a bunch of generic reaction gifs. source record 1594♥ 4 Later-arriving source its universally loved bc objectively its a great show posted about 13.9 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Schitt's Creek. Watched five episodes and barely laughed. Catherine O'Hara is funny in it granted. posted about 3.3 hours after the source♥ -25 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “watched the first” recurs across 2 of the 7 source records in Schitt's Creek; the complete archive stays available below. 7index entries 7distinct source records 3.5%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 4top-level comments 3replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 6other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments7 preserved records · 7 of 7 source records accounted for **This is probably going to be the most unpopular opinion on this thread, but I'll say it anyway - Schitt's Creek. Now, it's definitely not the worst sitcom per se, and from what I've seen over the years it's perceived as universally loved and that is the part that I don't get. It's just so... Mediocre? The writing is lazy and most of the humor derives from the characters being insufferable and "oh boy we sure don't know how to be poor and we'll never learn hyuk hyuk hyuk". And yeah, first and foremost it's a comfort show for a lot of people, I get it. No one is homophobic, everyone is so accepting, it's all rainbows and sunshine and it's all really great for escapism (which is probably even more relevant now than when the show first aired). But as far as I'm concerned, the biggest legacy that Schitt's creek left behind is a bunch of generic reaction gifs.**♥ 4source record 1594 **its universally loved bc objectively its a great show**♥ 1source record 1595 **Go ahead and down vote me now but Schidtts Creek. I just wanted to punch every one of them.**♥ 3source record 1979 **I’d agree with that if you only watched the first few episodes but the characters grew significantly during the show’s run.**♥ 3source record 1980 **Schitt's Creek**♥ 0source record 2761 **Schitt's Creek. Watched five episodes and barely laughed. Catherine O'Hara is funny in it granted.**♥ -25source record 2805 **I agree. We watched the first season, and none of us liked it enough to keep watching after that.**♥ 0source record 2807 Archive: 7 index entries preserve 7 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Ted Lasso5 index entriesNamed by four commenters, one of whom takes it back in the same sentence. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Ted Lasso Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Ted Lasso 5 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2038 **Claim context:** Ted Lasso **Why it matters:** Four commenters name it, and the objection is to its sincerity: one describes it as relentless niceness turned into a series and cannot account for the affection it attracts. **What readers reported:** I will never understand the love for this show. It's just Ned Flanders the tv show. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One of the four records takes it back in the same sentence, and another reply treats the whole answer as heresy, which is roughly the reception these answers get. What the replies added1 I will never understand the love for this show. It's just Ned Flanders the tv show. From the replies♥ 5 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I will never understand the love for this show. It's just Ned Flanders the tv show. source record 2038♥ 5 Later-arriving source Ted Lasso. Probably an unpopular opinion, but true. posted about 12.6 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Ted Lasso easily and it's not even really close posted about 6.8 hours after the source♥ -2 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 5 source records for Ted Lasso together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 5index entries 5distinct source records 2.5%of parent category 0.3%of the complete index 4top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 5other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments5 preserved records · 5 of 5 source records accounted for **Ted Lasso**♥ -4source record 2036 **I will never understand the love for this show. It's just Ned Flanders the tv show.**♥ 5source record 2038 **Ted Lasso easily and it's not even really close**♥ -2source record 2131 **Ted Lasso. Probably an unpopular opinion, but true.**♥ 1source record 2178 **Ted Lasso. Just kidding. Ted Lasso is incredible. #BBQSauce**♥ 1source record 2295 Archive: 5 index entries preserve 5 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The comedies Reddit usually defends, named anyway11 index entriesCommunity, Arrested Development, It's Always Sunny, Scrubs, The Good Place and Abbott Elementary, named by people who know the answer is unpopular. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The comedies Reddit usually defends, named anyway Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The comedies Reddit usually defends, named anyway 11 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2787 **Claim context:** The comedies Reddit usually defends, named anyway **Why it matters:** Community, Arrested Development, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Scrubs, The Good Place, Futurama and Abbott Elementary, named by commenters who know the answer will be unpopular where they are posting it. The reasons given are specific rather than blanket: one record objects to a pursuit storyline in an early season, another to a lead performer, another to the show's fanbase rather than the show. **What readers reported:** Arrested Development. Unfunny trash catering to terminally online hipsters who think they're too edgy and cool for those "normie" sitcoms that are actually funny. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The replies push back with the same move each time — that the objection is to an early season the show grows out of — and one commenter says they may try it again on that basis. What the replies added1 Futurama. Did nothing for me. Reported failure♥ 2 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint Futurama. Did nothing for me. source record 2335♥ 2 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source i can’t do scrubs. my parents love it (and the reboot) but i just can’t do it. i also just really dislike zach braff. source record 2230♥ 4 Later-arriving source Futurama. Did nothing for me. posted about 14.1 hours after the source♥ 2 Zero-like source Arrested Development. Unfunny trash catering to terminally online hipsters who think they're too edgy and cool for those "normie" sitcoms that are actually funny. posted about 4.8 hours after the source♥ -5 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “the good place” recurs across 2 of the 11 source records in The comedies Reddit usually defends, named anyway; the complete archive stays available below. 11index entries 11distinct source records 5.5%of parent category 0.6%of the complete index 9top-level comments 2replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 10other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments11 preserved records · 11 of 11 source records accounted for **It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia...**♥ 2source record 2163 **The Good Place …. Is just awful**♥ 0source record 2214 **The good place. I think it’s pretty self explanatory with everything they’ve referenced on the show**♥ 0source record 2226 **i can’t do scrubs. my parents love it (and the reboot) but i just can’t do it. i also just really dislike zach braff.**♥ 4source record 2230 **Futurama. Did nothing for me.**♥ 2source record 2335 **I’m probably on my own island here - but I absolutely hate the trope of “guy asks girl out, girl says no, guy spends the next season (or several) convincing her to go out with him.” I watched Community because people kept saying it was good. I made it 2 episodes before I had to walk away. Tricking someone into liking you isn’t funny, and it’s lazy writing.**♥ 3source record 2343 **Jeff was discovered, Britta knows his game. The show moved far beyond that.**♥ 2source record 2344 **I might try it again someday. I just find that very cringe.**♥ 1source record 2345 **Always sunny**♥ 0source record 2404 **Abbott Elementary**♥ -4source record 2737 **Arrested Development. Unfunny trash catering to terminally online hipsters who think they're too edgy and cool for those "normie" sitcoms that are actually funny.**♥ -5source record 2787 Archive: 11 index entries preserve 11 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The sitcoms people grew up on104 records · 6 sub-topicsWhere the complaint is almost always the same one: it did not survive a rewatch. 104 records. Full House22 index entriesThe clearest rewatch answer in the thread, and the people who say children were never a demanding audience. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Full House Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Full House 22 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 451 **Claim context:** Full House **Why it matters:** The clearest rewatch answer in the thread. Commenters who liked it as children describe going back to it and finding the sentiment, the music and the resolution of every problem inside twenty minutes unbearable. Several place it inside the Friday-night children's block it belonged to and say the whole slot was built to be saccharine rather than funny. **What readers reported:** This is going to piss a lot of you off, especially elder Millennials, but \*Full House\* was just straight garbage. Painful to watch. It’s nostalgia for most people, I imagine, but as someone who was a young adult when it aired, it was excruciating to watch. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The nearest thing to a defence is an explanation rather than an argument: that children are not discerning about comedy, and that the audience it was made for got exactly what it wanted. What the replies added2 As a kid I enjoyed it but im not sure I'd like it now From the replies♥ 23 It was a Disney sitcom before Disney sitcoms existed. My dad hated it, and my 9-year-old self couldn't figure out why. My 46-year-old self COMPLETELY understands. From the replies♥ 20 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint I hated it even as a child, lol. It just wasn't funny and the characters annoyed me. source record 1439♥ 2 Explicit limit or counterpoint It was at its peak popularity when I was elementary school age, and even THEN I hated it. I thought the characters were annoying and the storylines were uninteresting. I remember one episode where Michelle has a meltdown because one of her little cousins doesn't know how to use a swing set, and even at that age, I was like, "The fuck is this shit?" source record 1440♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source This is going to piss a lot of you off, especially elder Millennials, but \*Full House\* was just straight garbage. Painful to watch. It’s nostalgia for most people, I imagine, but as someone who was a young adult when it aired, it was excruciating to watch. source record 451♥ 88 Later-arriving source Full House; Two and a Half Men posted about 14.9 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Full House was a rip-off of "Three Men and a Baby" but ... with more kids. It had some good stuff, but overall, if you really think about it... a single dad has is brother and friend move in with his pre-teen daughters... Yeah. That script would not fly these days. posted about 4.3 hours after the source♥ -1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “one episode where” recurs across 2 of the 22 source records in Full House; the complete archive stays available below. 22index entries 22distinct source records 21.2%of parent category 1.1%of the complete index 9top-level comments 13replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 2explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 20other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments22 preserved records · 22 of 22 source records accounted for **This is going to piss a lot of you off, especially elder Millennials, but \*Full House\* was just straight garbage. Painful to watch. It’s nostalgia for most people, I imagine, but as someone who was a young adult when it aired, it was excruciating to watch.**♥ 88source record 451 **As a kid I enjoyed it but im not sure I'd like it now**♥ 23source record 452 **This, so much this, oh no Michelle is sad again, everyone cheer her up. That one episode where the family would have been financially set for life but she’s upset they won’t live together so, back to the basement Joey and attic to Jessie, Rebecca and the twins**♥ 12source record 453 **It was a Disney sitcom before Disney sitcoms existed. My dad hated it, and my 9-year-old self couldn't figure out why. My 46-year-old self COMPLETELY understands.**♥ 20source record 454 **Full House. I can't believe they rebooted it.**♥ 22source record 480 **Full House**♥ 19source record 497 **I HATED that show. Down vote me all you want people but it was so damn cheesy and I really hated the idea that every problem can be wrapped up in 18 minutes to awful music.**♥ 16source record 1393 **No, I agree. It was a big steaming pile of crap.**♥ 2source record 1416 **That was the entirety of the TGIF lineup. Saccharine, child-oriented sitcoms to fill a slot when people often go out rather than stay home watching TV. ABC realized that kids were a prime audience who was home and watching TV on Friday nights.**♥ 2source record 1418 **I hated it even as a child, lol. It just wasn't funny and the characters annoyed me.**♥ 2source record 1439 **It was at its peak popularity when I was elementary school age, and even THEN I hated it. I thought the characters were annoying and the storylines were uninteresting. I remember one episode where Michelle has a meltdown because one of her little cousins doesn't know how to use a swing set, and even at that age, I was like, "The fuck is this shit?"**♥ 1source record 1440 **I thought it was OK as a kid, but I rewatched an episode a few years back and couldn't hardly watch 10 minutes of it, so cringe and terrible, not sure why or what I liked about it as a kid.**♥ 1source record 1456 **I liked it when I was a kid, but I know, even without watching it as an adult, that I'd hate it. It was just that dumb.**♥ 1source record 1457 **Thank you, I liked it because I was a small child, but it's unwatchable, and the new version is even worst.**♥ 1source record 1459 **Full House**♥ 2source record 1602 **Full House**♥ 2source record 1607 **Full House**♥ 2source record 1693 **Full House**♥ 6source record 1903 **Turns out children aren’t all that discerning when it comes to comedy.**♥ 4source record 1904 **Full House; Two and a Half Men**♥ 1source record 2094 **Full House was a rip-off of "Three Men and a Baby" but ... with more kids. It had some good stuff, but overall, if you really think about it... a single dad has is brother and friend move in with his pre-teen daughters... Yeah. That script would not fly these days.**♥ -1source record 2209 **you had legions of millenial women make it their personality. of course it got rebooted thats free money**♥ 0source record 2665 Archive: 22 index entries preserve 22 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Family Matters11 index entriesOne character, and what commenters say happened to the show around him. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Family Matters Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Family Matters 11 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1788 **Claim context:** Family Matters **Why it matters:** One character, and what commenters say happened to the show around him. The recurring account is that a one-off part took the series over and that everything else in it was mediocre enough to be forgotten if he had not. **What readers reported:** 100%. It was a mediocre sitcom that would have gotten a season or two and been forgotten if it hadn’t become the Steve Urkel Show. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One commenter in the node says they liked the father's later storyline, which is the only part of the show anybody here defends on its own terms. What replies pushed back on1 Family Matters. Yeah that sitcom was definitely overrated. Pushback♥ 2 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint Family Matters. Yeah that sitcom was definitely overrated. source record 1642♥ 2 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Family Matters. A one off character was able to completely take over the show. source record 1786♥ 11 Later-arriving source As much as I want submit Family Matters, I simply can't disagree with this posted about 13.9 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source Family Matters. It was utterly mediocre until Urkel stole the show and they hung rheir hat on him. It was The Urkel Show after that and was astonishingly annoying posted about 10.9 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show Within 11 source records, 0 explicitly report a benefit and 1 explicitly report a limit or failure. These are attributed experiences, not effectiveness data. 11index entries 11distinct source records 10.6%of parent category 0.6%of the complete index 7top-level comments 4replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 9other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments11 preserved records · 11 of 11 source records accounted for **As much as I want submit Family Matters, I simply can't disagree with this**♥ 1source record 656 **What ever had Urkel in it.**♥ 9source record 1491 **Family Matters. Yeah that sitcom was definitely overrated.**♥ 2source record 1642 **Family Matters**♥ 6source record 1681 **Family Matters. A one off character was able to completely take over the show.**♥ 11source record 1786 **Hey now! I liked Carl after his transfer to Chicago.**♥ 6source record 1787 **100%. It was a mediocre sitcom that would have gotten a season or two and been forgotten if it hadn’t become the Steve Urkel Show.**♥ 7source record 1788 **Family matters and full house.**♥ 1source record 1850 **Family Matters. It was utterly mediocre until Urkel stole the show and they hung rheir hat on him. It was The Urkel Show after that and was astonishingly annoying**♥ 1source record 1933 **Family Matters**♥ 1source record 2077 **Family Matters.**♥ 1source record 2268 Archive: 11 index entries preserve 11 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Happy Days5 index entriesAnswers that put the show's success down to when it aired rather than what was in it. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Happy Days Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Happy Days 5 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1549 **Claim context:** Happy Days **Why it matters:** Answers that explain the show by when it aired rather than by what was in it. Commenters describe it riding a wave of nostalgia for the decade before it, and one who was the right age for it says he never understood the draw at the time either. The other complaint is length: that it continued long past the point where its characters made sense. **What readers reported:** Happy Days rode the wave of 1950’s nostalgia that was popular in the 1970’s. Same with Grease and Sha Na Na. All the War babies/early boomers that grew up in the 50’s loved those shows and the “simpler times” **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Nobody in this node defends it, though one commenter is fond of the first couple of seasons before the drop-off they describe. What the replies added2 I liked the first couple of seasons, but lost interest very quickly. And it just went on and on and on for way too long. You know the show got weird when the motorcycle riding rebel character who was introduced wearing a windbreaker because the network was nervous about the guy wearing a black leather jacket ends the series as a happily married family man with a wife and kid. From the replies♥ 5 I graduated from high school in 1977, so Happy Days was huge for my cohort of kids. I never understood the draw. From the replies♥ 3 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Happy Days. I loved it as a kid so I watched a few episodes this year and found nothing funny about it. source record 1546♥ 6 Later-arriving source Happy Days. What was wrong with us back then? posted about 13.6 hours after the source♥ 3 Low-like source Happy Days rode the wave of 1950’s nostalgia that was popular in the 1970’s. Same with Grease and Sha Na Na. All the War babies/early boomers that grew up in the 50’s loved those shows and the “simpler times” posted about 11.8 hours after the source♥ 3 #### What the counts show Within 5 source records, 1 explicitly report a benefit and 0 explicitly report a limit or failure. These are attributed experiences, not effectiveness data. 5index entries 5distinct source records 4.8%of parent category 0.3%of the complete index 2top-level comments 3replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments5 preserved records · 5 of 5 source records accounted for **Happy Days. What was wrong with us back then?**♥ 3source record 1464 **Happy Days. I loved it as a kid so I watched a few episodes this year and found nothing funny about it.**♥ 6source record 1546 **I liked the first couple of seasons, but lost interest very quickly. And it just went on and on and on for way too long. You know the show got weird when the motorcycle riding rebel character who was introduced wearing a windbreaker because the network was nervous about the guy wearing a black leather jacket ends the series as a happily married family man with a wife and kid.**♥ 5source record 1547 **I graduated from high school in 1977, so Happy Days was huge for my cohort of kids. I never understood the draw.**♥ 3source record 1548 **Happy Days rode the wave of 1950’s nostalgia that was popular in the 1970’s. Same with Grease and Sha Na Na. All the War babies/early boomers that grew up in the 50’s loved those shows and the “simpler times”**♥ 3source record 1549 Archive: 5 index entries preserve 5 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The 1980s syndication lineup37 index entriesALF, Small Wonder, Charles in Charge, Saved by the Bell, Who's the Boss and the rest, argued over as a block. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The 1980s syndication lineup Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The 1980s syndication lineup 37 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1764 **Claim context:** The 1980s syndication lineup **Why it matters:** A block rather than a show: ALF, Small Wonder, Charles in Charge, Saved by the Bell, Who's the Boss, Perfect Strangers, Diff'rent Strokes and The Facts of Life, argued about together. The complaints are the same across all of them — that they survived on cheap syndication rather than on quality, that the children in them talked like sarcastic adults, and that rewatching is what breaks the spell. Two commenters independently describe going back to the alien puppet show as adults and not getting through an episode. **What readers reported:** Surprised to see most sitcoms mentioned are from the 2000s. I must state the 1980s and early 1990s were full of sitcoms undeserving of their popularity. Case and point: Who’s the boss, Full House, Alf, Saved by the bell and, of course Home improvement. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The standing defence is that a programme made for children should be judged as one, and that liking it at eight says nothing about whether it was good. One commenter draws a hard line and will hear criticism of every show on the list except the puppet. What the replies added2 I feel like if it's a show for kids, it gets a pass. Saved by the Bell was a terrible show, but I liked it cause I was a kid. From the replies♥ 49 Who's the boss and Saved by the Bell I'll agree with, and I can see why some people might not dig Full House or Home Improvement... but you better shut your filthy fucking mouth about Alf! From the replies♥ 19 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source You leave my little fuzzy Alien Life Form out of this! source record 440♥ 59 Later-arriving source Everything in the early 80s was straight garbage. posted about 15.0 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source I did not like saved by the bell. I did an exchange trip to France for a week in high school, and to my surprise it was so popular! All the teens watched it and would talk about it all the time. posted about 5.4 hours after the source #### What the counts show The exact phrase “saved by the bell” recurs across 5 of the 37 source records in The 1980s syndication lineup; the complete archive stays available below. 37index entries 37distinct source records 35.6%of parent category 1.9%of the complete index 17top-level comments 20replies #### What commenters explicitly report 2explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 4asks a question 0says they intend to try it 31other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments37 preserved records · 37 of 37 source records accounted for **You leave my little fuzzy Alien Life Form out of this!**♥ 59source record 440 **I swear I thought Small Wonder was a cheap local station attempt at a sitcom. I just couldn't understand how they managed to cast Edie McClurg.**♥ 22source record 441 **I thought Small Wonder was a fever dream for the longest time**♥ 4source record 1285 **Same with "Out of this world"**♥ 2source record 1286 **Have you rewatched it recently? I loved it as a kid. But the dude is right. It’s not a good show. Try it now. It does not hold up.**♥ 2source record 1339 **Charles in Charge. I do not understand how that show had so many seasons. Yes, Nicole Eggert was in it, but every episode I watched was pitiful and nonsensical.**♥ 7source record 1376 **I used to watch cartoons after school in the 90s and when Charles in Charge came on after the animation block on whatever network that was, I knew it was time to do homework. Never saw a single episode but grew to hate the theme song.**♥ 2source record 1377 **Because of syndication. It was a knock-off of \*Who's the Boss?\* that was cancelled after its first season on CBS. They then retooled the show to be sold in first-run syndication. That's why it so often showed up after cartoons: most of those were run by local independent stations or channels looking to fill out their afternoon blocks with syndicated programming. If they weren't airing it, they'd be showing off-network sitcom reruns, game shows, Entertainment Tonight, or other syndicated programming. It did its job of being cheap and sold to stations that couldn't really produce their own content.**♥ 1source record 1378 **All of those shows sucked. Just little kids acting like sarcastic adults, stupid jokes, they were all insufferable. Dif'rent Strokes, Full House, Family Matters, Who's the Boss, all bad.**♥ 2source record 1417 **Small Wonder.**♥ 6source record 1503 **Showing my age on this one. I couldn’t stand The Facts of Life, especially in the later seasons. So unwatchable and the “very special episodes” were cringeworthy. Small Wonder was unwatchable for the acting and bad dialogue alone. Different Strokes, espeicially when Gray Coleman figured out his “what you talkin’ about, Willis” catchphrase.**♥ 3source record 1515 **I’m going back a bit, but there was a horrific sitcom in the 80’s about a little robot girl that just dominated syndication. It wasn’t at all funny, just … weird. It was rancid. I think it was called Small Wonder.**♥ 3source record 1569 **There are so many Charles in Charge was so bad.**♥ 2source record 1688 **Small Wonder**♥ 1source record 1755 **Surprised to see most sitcoms mentioned are from the 2000s. I must state the 1980s and early 1990s were full of sitcoms undeserving of their popularity. Case and point: Who’s the boss, Full House, Alf, Saved by the bell and, of course Home improvement.**♥ 29source record 1764 **I feel like if it's a show for kids, it gets a pass. Saved by the Bell was a terrible show, but I liked it cause I was a kid.**♥ 49source record 1767 **I was a teen back then. And in my teen eyes Saved by the Bell paled in comparison with Parker Lewis can’t lose.**♥ 12source record 1768 **The TV show based on Ferris Bueller's Day Off came out the same time as Parker Lewis Can't Lose. I was expecting Ferris Bueller to be funny and the other... maybe? Turns out it was the other way around. Parker Lewis was great--funny with a great cast--and I've already told you what I remember from Ferris Bueller**♥ 10source record 1769 **The guy they got to play Ferris Bueller was AWFUL, and is now doing internet-only ads for Krylon spray paint. Also, the very first scene in the pilot, where he tears apart a cutout of Matthew Broderick, was the dumbest idea ever. The only redeeming part of the show was pre-friends Jennifer Aniston. Parker Lewis, on the other hand, RULED. Surprised Corin Nemec never really did much after that.**♥ 7source record 1770 **My favorite was the episode where he almost lost, but then didn’t.**♥ 2source record 1771 **Who's the boss and Saved by the Bell I'll agree with, and I can see why some people might not dig Full House or Home Improvement... but you better shut your filthy fucking mouth about Alf!**♥ 19source record 1775 **I used to love ALF when it was on the air. I was a child and it was can’t miss tv for me. Several years ago Netflix got all seasons of ALF. I sat down to watch it and couldn’t make it five minutes. ALF is maybe the stupidest sitcom ever made. I genuinely have no idea what I enjoyed about it.**♥ 8source record 1776 **It IS the stupidest sitcom ever. I never could make it through an entire episode. God awful crap.**♥ 2source record 1777 **The Facts of Life and The plain The plane thing**♥ 2source record 1822 **alf, TBBT, end of list**♥ 1source record 1842 **I go back a ways just to hate on Perfect Strangers. Could not stand Cousin Larry, wanted to mail him some Valium.**♥ 11source record 1867 **How could you not mention Growing Pains which lead to not one, but two Cameron’s, It paved the way for the second one to show up on Full House.**♥ 1source record 1945 **Perfect Strangers!!**♥ 1source record 2171 **ALF**♥ -4source record 2220 **alf**♥ -3source record 2222 **Everything in the early 80s was straight garbage.**♥ 1source record 2277 **Same! Love Edie, hated that damn show.**♥ 1source record 2611 **It was perfectly targeted to what a kid in the late '80s would enjoy. A wise-cracking, Hawaiian shirt-wearing, party dude alien puppet. But yeah, it's not a good show. Everyone else is just there in order to give ALF someone to play off of, and his shtick gets old very quickly because he's an incredibly shallow, catchphrase-oriented character.**♥ 1source record 2622 **This show is a bit old judging by the shows mentioned, but ALF was an absolutely horrid show. Even though I remember watching it as a kid, I've since caught reruns on Youtube and the show is absolute garbage. Unfunny, poorly acted, poorly written rubbish.**♥ 1source record 2705 **Alf**♥ -1source record 2733 **I did not like saved by the bell. I did an exchange trip to France for a week in high school, and to my surprise it was so popular! All the teens watched it and would talk about it all the time.**♥ 0source record 2751 **I Married Dora**♥ 0source record 2753 Archive: 37 index entries preserve 37 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Sitcoms from before 198022 index entriesThe oldest answers in the corpus, several of them offered as corrections to a thread the commenter thinks is too young. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Sitcoms from before 1980 Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Sitcoms from before 1980 22 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1875 **Claim context:** Sitcoms from before 1980 **Why it matters:** The oldest answers in the corpus, several of them offered as corrections to a thread the commenter thinks is too young to be having this argument. Gilligan's Island, Hogan's Heroes, Welcome Back Kotter, I Dream of Jeannie, The Beverly Hillbillies, Alice and My Mother the Car all appear. The recurring complaints are catchphrase-driven writing, padding, and attitudes to women that commenters say are startling even allowing for the period. **What readers reported:** You people are too young. Try to sit through episodes of Father Knows Best or I Dream of Jeannie or The Danny Thomas Show TV comedy mostly sucked back then. Even nostalgia can't save it. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The counter-argument inside the node is that there was nothing else on: two commenters say they knew the show was stupid as children and watched it because the household had three channels. What the replies added2 That was some bizarre shit. Consider that was in the Sigmund & the Sea Monster era and you have to wonder what Hollywood was smoking. From the replies♥ 1 I loved I dream of jeannie as a kid,, now I watch it and am blown away with his sexist it really was, even for back then. As well as Bewitched. From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I don't think the show itself was particularly terrible, but man was Hogan's Heroes ever a wild idea for a sitcom. source record 450♥ 7 Later-arriving source Welcome Back Kotter. As an adult seeing it I can’t believe how stupid it was posted about 15.2 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source \*The Beverly Hillbillies.\* posted about 3.5 hours after the source♥ -4 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “welcome back kotter” recurs across 2 of the 22 source records in Sitcoms from before 1980; the complete archive stays available below. 22index entries 22distinct source records 21.2%of parent category 1.1%of the complete index 15top-level comments 7replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 22other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments22 preserved records · 22 of 22 source records accounted for **I don't think the show itself was particularly terrible, but man was Hogan's Heroes ever a wild idea for a sitcom.**♥ 7source record 450 **Welcome Back Kotter was just 8 characters each saying 3 different catchphrases with canned laughter. If you switch up the order of the catchphrases, there's thousands of permutations and therefore infinite episodes of Welcome Back Kotter**♥ 4source record 1380 **killer theme song though!!**♥ 3source record 1381 **Showing my age here, but Hogan's Heroes.**♥ 3source record 1382 **I'm going to assume that more than one episode of this Sitcom has aired-thus eliminating \*\*\*Heil Honey, I'm Home\*\*\*. So, I'll go with \*\*\*My Mother the Car\*\*\*, which might be the most bizarre Sitcom concept I've ever heard of.**♥ 3source record 1385 **Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman I watched it anyway.**♥ 2source record 1604 **That was some bizarre shit. Consider that was in the Sigmund & the Sea Monster era and you have to wonder what Hollywood was smoking.**♥ 1source record 1605 **Sorry all. A boomer slam dunk with Gilligan’s Island. Dick Cavett once said they were working on a comedy version of it.**♥ 2source record 1606 **Welcome Back Kotter. As an adult seeing it I can’t believe how stupid it was**♥ 1source record 1701 **You people are too young. Try to sit through episodes of Father Knows Best or I Dream of Jeannie or The Danny Thomas Show TV comedy mostly sucked back then. Even nostalgia can't save it.**♥ 2source record 1875 **"It's About Time" Astronauts stuck in the past with cave men. It was popular, even though it was very, very, very stupid.**♥ 1source record 1995 **I loved I dream of jeannie as a kid,, now I watch it and am blown away with his sexist it really was, even for back then. As well as Bewitched.**♥ 1source record 2004 **Even ignoring that, they were lame - very few jokes of any quality and those get repeated, lots of padded content (\*so many\* shows to crank out!), tedious pacing we had no alternatives or they would have died a proper death**♥ 1source record 2006 **Archives place follow up to all in the family got so cringe at the end it was sad. It was the real start of social engineering on TV telling you how to act and feel on social issues. The son of Sam said besides the dog driving him to murder that show drove him mad**♥ 1source record 2170 **I'm old. . . Gilligan's Island.**♥ 1source record 2173 **even as a kid i knew it was dumb as hell. but somehow i still watched it. maybe it was because we only had 3 channels**♥ 1source record 2174 **\*The Beverly Hillbillies.\***♥ -4source record 2313 **Alice. It was inspired by an interesting film with good actors and fed to television audiences who were apparently starved for absolute corny drivel. It makes me feel like I'm hearing chalk on a blackboard just to think of that show. Insults not only the intelligence of the viewers, but it also insults the original film.**♥ 0source record 2400 **Ugh, I hated that expression and I still do. The only character I could slightly tolerate was Vera, but even she was so much better in the film.**♥ 2source record 2402 **MASH - I hated that show with every fiber of my being.**♥ -2source record 2789 **I’m with you, the movie is good though.**♥ 1source record 2791 **Alice was horrible**♥ -1source record 2794 Archive: 22 index entries preserve 22 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The kids' channel sitcoms7 index entriesDisney and Nickelodeon live action, named by people who watched it second-hand. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The kids' channel sitcoms Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The kids' channel sitcoms 7 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1512 **Claim context:** The kids' channel sitcoms **Why it matters:** Disney and Nickelodeon live action, named mostly by adults who encountered it second-hand. The complaint is the performance style — pitched loud and broad — and one record calls the whole later Nickelodeon output unsettling to watch now. **What readers reported:** Any of those over the top kid sitcoms that aired on the Disney channel. I know they are for kids and I know a lot of people have nostalgia for them but have you ever babysat with one of those playing in the background? They are rough. People of my age knew our sitcoms were bad and never revisit them. Looking at you Small Wonder. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The same commenter who names them concedes the nostalgia is real and that the shows were not made for the person complaining about them. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Any of those over the top kid sitcoms that aired on the Disney channel. I know they are for kids and I know a lot of people have nostalgia for them but have you ever babysat with one of those playing in the background? They are rough. People of my age knew our sitcoms were bad and never revisit them. Looking at you Small Wonder. source record 1512♥ 3 Later-arriving source Eww, and all the Nickelodeon after 1999. posted about 13.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source Boy meets world. Show sucked. Really fucking sucked. posted about 8.7 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show Within 7 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 7index entries 7distinct source records 6.7%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 6top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 6other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments7 preserved records · 7 of 7 source records accounted for **Any of those over the top kid sitcoms that aired on the Disney channel. I know they are for kids and I know a lot of people have nostalgia for them but have you ever babysat with one of those playing in the background? They are rough. People of my age knew our sitcoms were bad and never revisit them. Looking at you Small Wonder.**♥ 3source record 1512 **Girl meets world**♥ 3source record 1518 **Eww, and all the Nickelodeon after 1999.**♥ 1source record 1658 **iCarley**♥ 2source record 1838 **\*iCarly\* was unbearable. A few funny people (Jennette McCurdy and Jerry Trainor) couldn’t save it.**♥ 1source record 1843 **Hot take but iCarly Or any Nickelodeon live action, just plain creepy**♥ 1source record 1934 **Boy meets world. Show sucked. Really fucking sucked.**♥ 1source record 2388 Archive: 7 index entries preserve 7 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs British and Irish television137 records · 4 sub-topicsOne British answer dominates the whole thread; the rest of these records are the company it keeps. 137 records. Mrs Brown's Boys118 index entriesThe largest single-show answer outside the CBS block and the most one-sided, with the defence coming almost entirely second-hand. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Mrs Brown's Boys Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Mrs Brown's Boys 118 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 285 **Claim context:** Mrs Brown's Boys **Why it matters:** The most one-sided answer in the corpus and the largest outside the American network shows. The complaint is remarkably uniform: that the central joke is a man in a dress, that it would have been current about fifty years earlier, and that the show is performed rather than written. A second strand is sociological rather than critical — commenters describe older relatives loving it, in-laws putting it on at Christmas, and the gap between the audience it has and the audience arguing about it. Its poll win as the century's best British sitcom is quoted several times as evidence for the prosecution. **What readers reported:** Man dressed up as a woman in an Irish accent cracks jokes that may have been funny in the 1970s. Somehow its been going in one way or another for fifteen years. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Almost every defence in this node is reported second-hand: parents, grandparents and fathers-in-law who love it. Two commenters defend it directly — one saying it fills a gap left by the disappearance of multi-camera studio comedy, and one saying that if a comedy is not aimed at you, not finding it funny proves nothing. What the replies added4 I was stunned at how overrated it was Pushback♥ 1 I kid you not, I broke up with a guy because he told me he went to see the live show with his ex. We'd not been dating long, and it just immediately gave me the ick. Reported failure♥ 6 Think you'll be happy to hear the 2026 Christmas/2027 NY MBB specials have been cancelled. Not under the best circumstances though; Brendan O'Carroll broke his jaw in 2 places and needs surgery and a few months of recovery (not fun for anyone) so they had to suspend filming Reported failure♥ 1 It gets used as cruel and unusual punishment against our will here in the UK every Christmas (except for this year bc the main character broke his jaw or something) Reported failure♥ 1 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint I was stunned at how overrated it was source record 865♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source My mum once rang me and thanked me for recommending it to her. I told her I hadn't. She was insistent that I had told her it was really funny, and she and my dad agreed. To this day I wonder if she'd been replaced with a changeling, or if she'd met mine?... source record 119♥ 1,154 Later-arriving source Mrs Brown’s Boys. Never seen something so painfully unfunny. I’m confused as to how it’s still on TV. posted about 15.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source It’s comedy for ASDA and Iceland shoppers posted about 3.3 hours after the source♥ -3 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextAttach it to an existing routine · 2 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[SuitsAttach it to an existing routine · 2 there](#rich-node-0-group-7-subgroup-0-suits)[The Big Bang TheoryAttach it to an existing routine · 5 there](#rich-node-0-group-1-subgroup-0-the-big-bang-theory) #### What the counts show Across 118 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Attach it to an existing routine” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 118index entries 118distinct source records 86.1%of parent category 5.9%of the complete index 23top-level comments 95replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 9asks a question 0says they intend to try it 107other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Attach it to an existing routine **2** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments118 preserved records · 118 of 118 source records accounted for **Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 2,367source record 118 **My mum once rang me and thanked me for recommending it to her. I told her I hadn't. She was insistent that I had told her it was really funny, and she and my dad agreed. To this day I wonder if she'd been replaced with a changeling, or if she'd met mine?...**♥ 1,154source record 119 **That's pretty scary, and instantly more entertaining than the show.**♥ 434source record 120 **Just went to check it out based on your suggestion here, and well, can’t thank you enough**♥ 7source record 131 **Every year we go to my in-laws on Boxing Day. Every year, after we’ve done presents, my father-in-law will excitedly ask if we watched Mrs Brown’s Boys the night before. There’s no answer to this that doesn’t result in it being put on the TV later on Boxing Day. I’ve tried.**♥ 173source record 132 **It’s completely banned in our house. Thank God.**♥ 40source record 133 **You’re in luck, it’s been cancelled this year.**♥ 7source record 134 **\*\*Radio Times Audience Poll\*\*: Voted Best British Sitcom of the 21st Century And that is why the British public is no longer allowed nice things. We can't be trusted.**♥ 296source record 137 **I guess a magazine poll is going to be mainly older people. The show is aimed at those older people who remember that style of show from the 70s.**♥ 44source record 140 **as an Irish man, I apologise profusely for inflicting this on the UK.**♥ 244source record 142 **It's fine, I think us Glaswegians bear more of the responsibility. It's produced in Glasgow by BBC Scotland, and before he got the show her used to put on shows in Glasgow every year that were always relatively well attended.**♥ 38source record 149 **I'm from the U.S and never heard of it, probably a good thing I guess**♥ 68source record 152 **Great... now I gotta watch a friggin Madea movie. I'm one of the people with "shit" taste who likes Mrs. Brown.**♥ 19source record 154 **According to every comment on that video, this clip is the funniest thing humanity has ever produced lmao**♥ 20source record 157 **The comments are crazy. I watched that whole thing without even smiling and they are dying laughing. I guess different things work for different people.**♥ 8source record 158 **Holy shit that's awful. I didn't even make it through the entire 4 minutes**♥ 12source record 159 **I believe this show was made for the type of people that have no problem giving "advice" to anyone trying to go about their business and/or doing things in other words cunts**♥ 93source record 160 **I've never met a boomer who doesn't love it. It's because it's like the rude comedies of the 70's that are all about tits and bums and the 'hilarious' gag of a straight man dressed up as an old lady.**♥ 85source record 161 **I'm 70 and I've never watched a full episode. I've seen clips and there's nothing funny enough to make me want to watch it. It's not that I find it offensive but it's stupid and childish.**♥ 7source record 162 **I’m early Gen X and have a number of late Boomer friends/family in their early 60s. None of them like it. It engenders disgust from everyone I know no matter what their age. I think lack of intelligence plays a huge role too, not just age.**♥ 34source record 163 **I’ve said this in other threads - we have have a lack of multicam sitcoms with a live studio audience and I firmly believe this is a niche MBB fills. I’m not a fan, but I do miss British sitcom culture as it was and I think a sizeable audience looks to this show for that reason.**♥ 49source record 164 **Goes to show that if you don't find a comedy funny, odds are it isn't aimed at you. The show is pure trash but it's had my mother howling with laughter so it's alright in my book.**♥ 20source record 165 **When The Whistle Blows from Extras seemed unironically like a better show than this.**♥ 10source record 166 **And its Quebec spin-off Madame Lebrun, which has \*\*more\*\* episodes than Mrs Browns Boys.**♥ 5source record 167 **Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 474source record 283 **Man dressed up as a woman in an Irish accent cracks jokes that may have been funny in the 1970s. Somehow its been going in one way or another for fifteen years.**♥ 227source record 285 **I've always thought nostalgia might be a big part of Mrs Brown's Boys success, a lot of my older relatives love it, and in conversation talk about how it \*feels\* like the comedies and pantos they grew up with. Funny thing is a lot of the older comedies they talk about I quite like and consider timeless, while Mrs Brown's always felt... I don't know, dated? Even when it was new?**♥ 78source record 286 **You are so lucky. I have absolutely no idea how this ever got past 1 episode. It is utter drivel.**♥ 96source record 287 **It's funny because Mrs Brown is actually a man \*dressed as a woman\*. It's not actually funny because this is 50 years too late to laugh at that idea.**♥ 132source record 288 **I'm guessing the person who authorised it is 50 years out of date**♥ 23source record 289 **Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 95source record 455 **As one of those older people, I watched part of it once and never, ever, again. There are sitcoms from my youth that I cringe to recall. I don't think I like most sitcoms to be fair.**♥ 14source record 691 **I’m from South Africa - my dad loves that show**♥ 3source record 692 **Extra weird, cos it's Irish, but ye can have it**♥ 5source record 696 **The Americans in this thread need to pipe down, I'd watch every episode of every show they've mentioned a hundred times over before watching even one episode of Mrs Browns Boys.**♥ 20source record 704 **My dad was a fan. One Christmas he was so proud of himself because he'd got one of the specials on DVD and saved it especially so I could watch it with him on Boxing Day. I didn't have the heart to tell him it made me nauseous.**♥ 6source record 708 **Wow. Makes Big Bang Theory look cerebral (which to be clear, it absolutely is not).**♥ 7source record 710 **I wouldn't go that far, but it's a shame anyone else had to see it.**♥ 9source record 711 **My late grandfather LOVED this show**♥ 3source record 712 **As an American, I’d never heard of this. I looked it up on YouTube, and it basically looks like it’s an Irish version of Tyler Perry’s Madea. Just a dude dressed as a woman (so funny!) doing dumb stuff. Is that about right?**♥ 3source record 713 **Omg i loved Mrs Browns boys.**♥ 3source record 714 **Explains why my mum likes it**♥ 3source record 715 **That poll really feels like a personal attack 😂 I can think of about ten shows that deserved that spot more.**♥ 3source record 716 **That actually tells me everything I need to know, lol. Thanks!**♥ 3source record 722 **I think it’s more so people older than 70\. My parents didn’t care for it, my grandmother loved it.**♥ 3source record 725 **I kid you not, I broke up with a guy because he told me he went to see the live show with his ex. We'd not been dating long, and it just immediately gave me the ick.**♥ 6source record 727 **It's actually bonkers how much it feels like a parody of MBB despite pre-dating it. Even the animated intro is spot on.**♥ 6source record 729 **In isolation it's pretty funny. Watching it in series is impossible.**♥ 8source record 730 **I was going to say Diff'rent Strokes, but you win**♥ 6source record 731 **I've never clicked on a reddit thread out of curiosity before and immediately at the very top is the correct answer. This show is an embarrassment to media as a whole.**♥ 5source record 732 **I recall in 2014 or so I was visiting London from the states and saw the logo for the show on the side of a bus. The advertising alone made it look infuriatingly annoying but I decided to give it a shot that night and wow.. wow... that is indeed the worst show I've ever watched**♥ 6source record 733 **My mom thought this show was absolutely hilarious....but that was after she was diagnosed with a brain tumor and she died shortly thereafter so I guess it proves your point....**♥ 2source record 736 **I see the Christmas and new years specials are cancelled. Great news.**♥ 2source record 737 **Mrs Brown's boys is absolute garbage. I can't understand how it's back year after year. It's so amateurish. You'd see better novelty acts at Scór**♥ 2source record 739 **As an Irish person there's not a whole lot I'd apologise to the Brits for, but I'm eternally sorry that a man from our island landed on yours and unleashed this godawful shite on you.**♥ 2source record 740 **Yup same with my in laws at Christmas. I don't get it at all.**♥ 2source record 748 **That was one of the many pieces of crap my best mate in High School liked and recommended to everyone. He just seemed to have no taste. He would watch or read something, decide it was the best thing ever, and then recommended it to everyone in earshot. He got lucky with the first thing he did that with. He read the Hunger Games and recommended it to our friend group shortly before it blew up everywhere, so we all had trust in him that he knew what he was talking about. But then he recommended Mrs Browns boys and a dozen or so othwr pieces of scrap to us, and we realised he just had no sense of quality.**♥ 3source record 753 **It made it to the US too.**♥ 4source record 754 **Yeah I didn't mind the first season, it has a few decent jokes, but the shtick got old pretty fast. I just checked and apparently it's \*still\* being made, though its not been without its BTS drama, which seems to have lead to th cancellation of this year's Xmas special**♥ 1source record 766 **Boomers love it**♥ 1source record 768 **It's recurrent down in Australia too.**♥ 1source record 773 **And just like that a more funnier antidote than anything Mrs Browns boys has produced**♥ 1source record 774 **You are such a lucky person. I fully recommend you never ever watch it. Avoid. Avoid. Avoid... But if you want a good Irish sitcom, may I recommend Father Ted, Derry Girls or The Young Offenders.**♥ 1source record 782 **I can fully see it as a live show. Like a typical panto, though, it should NOT be allowed on television.**♥ 1source record 783 **It should be banned under the Geneva Convention for being a form of inhumane torture.**♥ 1source record 785 **apparently it was a stage act for years and years before it got its own TV show and after 2 seasons they had to come up with new material because they'd used it all and that's why it got so shitty**♥ 1source record 850 **Knew that had to be the top answer. Awful awful programme.**♥ 1source record 851 **They’re trying to infiltrate the US with this shit too via a crossover with the Madea franchise, which could be seen as the US equivalent to Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 1source record 852 **It's just been cancelled.**♥ 1source record 853 **I had a girlfriend that insisted it was amazing and made us watch it together. She was hot so I watched far more of it then I wanted to**♥ 1source record 854 **My parents love that shit**♥ 1source record 855 **I only just heard of them with the \[celebration that they won't get holiday shows this year.\](\[link removed\]**♥ 1source record 856 **The holiday episodes are a seasonal nostalgia watch in our house, but it definitely grates.**♥ 1source record 857 **My friend couldn’t believe I thought it was total crap, as he said “but it’s just like Father Ted”? We are no longer friends.**♥ 1source record 858 **My parents loved it but I nothing it. I don't get the love for it or extreme hate on Reddit. Meh**♥ 1source record 859 **You dont get it. It's an old lady but she says swear words! 🫨**♥ 1source record 862 **My 78 year old mother thinks it's the funniest shit ever**♥ 1source record 864 **I was stunned at how overrated it was**♥ 1source record 865 **Christmas special cancelled this year, thankfully.**♥ 1source record 866 **My older relatives mostly loathe it, but they made us younger ones watch Blackadder, Fawlty Towers etc. However my father in law with a vaguely Irish connection loves it and I won’t go to the house some nights if it’s on lol. Tried to explain if he wants an Irish comedy then chuck Father Ted on, superior in every way. It falls on deaf ears though.**♥ 3source record 914 **Its now been cancelled.**♥ 2source record 917 **My asshole uncle was such a fan, so this tracks for me.**♥ 2source record 919 **Keep it that way Trust me**♥ 2source record 921 **Originally, he had an actress do it when it was a stage show. She didn't turn up one time, so he dressed in drag and did it. Apparently, it was more popular when he did it so he kept on doing it. My father-in-law loved it when it first came out. While it wasn't great or very good, it was slightly amusing in places. It somehow gets worse every year. I haven't seen it in years, but my wife will watch the Christmas one because of her dad, and she used to like it, but she has turned it off after a few minutes the last few years.**♥ 2source record 929 **Worst experience of my life was going on a trip with mates and the only DVD that was at the house we stayed at was Mrs Brown's Boys. Every day for a week we were hungover watching that shit until midday never wanted to kill myself more than that**♥ 2source record 934 **When I first started dating my girlfriend, we went to the cinema to watch the movie. Had seen pretty much all other movies out at the time, which is why we chose it. It was shite, and will forever be known as the movie we left early for because her mum phoned her to tell her that her dog just died.**♥ 1source record 953 **You're lucky. Total boomer show.**♥ 1source record 969 **It's based on a boo he wrote that got a movie with Anjelica Huston. Somehow, people were crazy for it.**♥ 1source record 974 **It's actually been going in one form or another since the late 80s. Let that sink in**♥ 1source record 975 **\> It's funny because Mrs Brown is actually a man dressed as a woman. It's not actually funny because this is 50 years too late to laugh at that idea. IDK those Madea movies seem to do well.**♥ 1source record 977 **Well, if you want to deconstruct it further, Brendan O'Carroll is doing a skit about the type of Irish mammy he remembers, but he's 70 years old so only people his generation and Brits laughing at backward Paddies enjoy it.**♥ 2source record 978 **Why can’t we get throwbacks to GOOD old british sitcoms. Like a spiritual successor to Steptoe and Son or Only Fools and Horses? Any time they do something that’s meant to feel like a throwback to older sitcoms, they always seem to pick the worst old sitcoms to be inspired by.**♥ 1source record 979 **As an American, I had assumed from what I've seen online that this show aired like mid-80s-early 90s at the absolute latest. I just checked and I'm absolutely floored this is so recent? Like actively airing? I'm shocked. While I haven't seen much, it feels like America's All in the Family to me, which aired in the 70s.**♥ 1source record 1078 **It's just been cancelled.**♥ 2source record 1413 **Mrs Browns Boys Gavin and Stacy The Big Bang Theory**♥ 6source record 1563 **Mrs Browns Boys - for those in the UK at least**♥ 2source record 1610 **Mrs browns boys. Why? Just why?**♥ 1source record 1751 **Mrs Brown's Boys. By christ it's unbearable shite**♥ 3source record 1807 **Mrs Browns Boys Although it is a useful tool when you find out if someone likes it to cut that person out of your life forever**♥ 2source record 1873 **Mrs Browns' Boys (UK)**♥ 2source record 1953 **Mrs Browns Boys! Cringeworthy shit!**♥ 1source record 1993 **Go on, I’ll say it on behalf of the BBC watching public… Mrs Brown’s Boys**♥ 1source record 1998 **Think you'll be happy to hear the 2026 Christmas/2027 NY MBB specials have been cancelled. Not under the best circumstances though; Brendan O'Carroll broke his jaw in 2 places and needs surgery and a few months of recovery (not fun for anyone) so they had to suspend filming**♥ 1source record 1999 **Mrs Brown’s Boys. Never seen something so painfully unfunny. I’m confused as to how it’s still on TV.**♥ 1source record 2002 **Look, I know I'm going to get eaten alive for this but hear me out. I know a lot of people are mentioning Mrs Brown Boys & how shit it is, but I just wanted to come on here and say that I am also one of those people**♥ 1source record 2074 **It gets used as cruel and unusual punishment against our will here in the UK every Christmas (except for this year bc the main character broke his jaw or something)**♥ 1source record 2076 **Mrs Brown’s Boys in the UK**♥ 1source record 2114 **There's a show in the UK called Mrs. Brown's Boys. It ran for 5 seasons on Primetime BBC and I have never met anyone in real life who thinks it's good. It even had a full-on movie spin-off. Mental.**♥ 2source record 2139 **Mrs Browns boys, utter shite'**♥ 1source record 2167 **Mrs Browns Boys, the worst 80’s twoddle.**♥ 1source record 2168 **Glad to see MBB in the top three top level comments. I don't believe there are enough words to describe just how utterly shit the show is. "Deeply unfunny" barely scratches the surface.**♥ 2source record 2282 **Mrs browns boys. End of discussion.**♥ 1source record 2296 **Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 0source record 2319 **Mrs Brown’s Boys**♥ 2source record 2339 **Mrs Browns Boys**♥ 2source record 2340 **Mrs Brown's Boys**♥ 1source record 2354 **I just watched some clips and this show looks hilarious!!**♥ 1source record 2430 **It’s comedy for ASDA and Iceland shoppers**♥ -3source record 2474 Archive: 118 index entries preserve 118 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Gavin & Stacey3 index entriesThree records about a finale that drew twelve million viewers. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Gavin & Stacey Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Gavin & Stacey 3 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1756 **Claim context:** Gavin & Stacey **Why it matters:** Three records about a show whose finale drew a live audience of millions. The complaint is that it is neither funny nor eventful enough to explain that, and two of the three commenters could not finish more than a couple of episodes. **What readers reported:** I really did not find Gavin and Stacey funny (couldn't get past like 1, maybe 2 episodes) yet over 12m people tuned in liveto watch the 2024 finale. I appreciate people have different tastes; my brother and SIL really enjoy it, my BIL is of the same opinion as me. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One of the three says the story had real potential and that they wanted to like it, and another notes that people close to them enjoy it, which is as far as the defence goes here. What the replies added1 I wanted to like it but couldn’t finish it. The story had great potential. From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I really did not find Gavin and Stacey funny (couldn't get past like 1, maybe 2 episodes) yet over 12m people tuned in liveto watch the 2024 finale. I appreciate people have different tastes; my brother and SIL really enjoy it, my BIL is of the same opinion as me. source record 1756♥ 1 Later-arriving source I wanted to like it but couldn’t finish it. The story had great potential. posted about 9.7 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source Gavin and Stacy. Unfunny. Boring. Complete waste of my time watching two episodes. How it gets all the hype, I'll never know. posted about 9.5 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 3 source records for Gavin & Stacey together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 3index entries 3distinct source records 2.2%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 2top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments3 preserved records · 3 of 3 source records accounted for **I really did not find Gavin and Stacey funny (couldn't get past like 1, maybe 2 episodes) yet over 12m people tuned in liveto watch the 2024 finale. I appreciate people have different tastes; my brother and SIL really enjoy it, my BIL is of the same opinion as me.**♥ 1source record 1756 **Gavin and Stacy. Unfunny. Boring. Complete waste of my time watching two episodes. How it gets all the hype, I'll never know.**♥ 1source record 2269 **I wanted to like it but couldn’t finish it. The story had great potential.**♥ 1source record 2270 Archive: 3 index entries preserve 3 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Little Britain2 index entriesTwo records making the same repetition complaint. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Little Britain Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Little Britain 2 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1526 **Claim context:** Little Britain **Why it matters:** Two records making the same complaint: that the show is built entirely from recurring catchphrase characters, so that one episode is functionally every episode. **What readers reported:** Little Britain. If you’ve seen one episode, you’ve literally seen EVERY episode. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Nobody in the corpus argues back against this one. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Little Britain. If you’ve seen one episode, you’ve literally seen EVERY episode. source record 1526♥ 3 Later-arriving source Little Britain posted about 5.6 hours after the source #### What the counts show This report keeps all 2 source records for Little Britain together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 2index entries 2distinct source records 1.5%of parent category 0.1%of the complete index 2top-level comments 0replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 2other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments2 preserved records · 2 of 2 source records accounted for **Little Britain. If you’ve seen one episode, you’ve literally seen EVERY episode.**♥ 3source record 1526 **Little Britain**♥ 0source record 2739 Archive: 2 index entries preserve 2 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Other British sitcoms14 index entriesThe rest of the British answers, most of them named once. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Other British sitcoms Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Other British sitcoms 14 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2080 **Claim context:** Other British sitcoms **Why it matters:** The rest of the British and Irish answers, most named once: Are You Being Served?, On The Buses, My Family, My Hero, Not Going Out, Two Pints of Lager, Two Doors Down, Big Top, Citizen Khan and Count Arthur Strong. The recurring complaint is repetition and length — several of these records are surprised by how many series the show got rather than by any one episode. **What readers reported:** My Hero-Starring Ardal O Hanlon. I can't believe it went on for six seasons! Unfunny tripe. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The IT Crowd appears here too, named by a single commenter, which is the closest this group comes to a contested answer. What the replies added2 Because it was written by hit maker Graham Linehan (Father Ted, Blackbooks), he could get anything greenlit until he decided to become an authority on gender and online politeness. From the replies♥ 4 Count Arthur Strong was insufferable on the radio too. I don't know how it got commissioned for TV. From the replies♥ 3 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source There was also the "retro sitcoms" Citizen Khan and Count Arthur Strong. source record 892♥ 6 Later-arriving source My Family… I loved that show when I was younger. posted about 14.3 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Are You Being Served? What the hell is wrong with British people? posted about 3.8 hours after the source♥ -4 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “count arthur strong” recurs across 2 of the 14 source records in Other British sitcoms; the complete archive stays available below. 14index entries 14distinct source records 10.2%of parent category 0.7%of the complete index 10top-level comments 4replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 2asks a question 0says they intend to try it 12other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments14 preserved records · 14 of 14 source records accounted for **There was also the "retro sitcoms" Citizen Khan and Count Arthur Strong.**♥ 6source record 892 **Count Arthur Strong was insufferable on the radio too. I don't know how it got commissioned for TV.**♥ 3source record 893 **Because it was written by hit maker Graham Linehan (Father Ted, Blackbooks), he could get anything greenlit until he decided to become an authority on gender and online politeness.**♥ 4source record 894 **The radio show was written by Steve Delaney, who plays Count Arthur. Linehan came in for the TV show and changed everything except Arthur (location, cast, plots). I had a soft spot for the radio show, despite it basically being one joke (deluded old man gets confused) stretched over about nine series, but the TV show managed to make it so much worse.**♥ 3source record 895 **My Family… I loved that show when I was younger.**♥ 1source record 1754 **Not going out**♥ 3source record 1757 **Two Doors Down. The one special at Hogmanay was decent. The series however is the same shit, over and over again until you end up just being angry.**♥ 2source record 1790 **Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps - terrible writing, worse acting AND defiled the punk song of the same name**♥ 1source record 2078 **My Hero-Starring Ardal O Hanlon. I can't believe it went on for six seasons! Unfunny tripe.**♥ 1source record 2080 **Big Top was a very short lived sitcom on BBC1 during 2009\. Bad writing, bad performances, bad lead (sorry Amanda Holden). The whole thing kinda felt like the brief was just “blackadder but it’s set in a circus” which wasn’t particularly helped by Tony Robinson being in it lmao I feel like im one of the only people that even remembers this happened, it barely seems real lol \~\~honestly i think that i only remember it because i was playing Modnation Racers at the time the first episode aired and i vividly remember that specifically lol\~\~**♥ 1source record 2264 **Are You Being Served? What the hell is wrong with British people?**♥ -4source record 2413 **My parents really loved 'On The Buses' and 'Are You Being Served?' when they were being shown on tv here... and man, how many jokes about Mrs Slocombe's pussy did we need to hear?**♥ 0source record 2745 **On The Buses.**♥ 0source record 2759 **The IT Crowd**♥ -8source record 2808 Archive: 14 index entries preserve 14 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Cartoons and puppets counted as sitcoms16 records · 3 sub-topicsAnimated and puppet shows commenters counted as sitcoms anyway. 16 records. Family Guy4 index entriesAnswers that rank it against the rest of its own studio's output. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Family Guy Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Family Guy 4 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2050 **Claim context:** Family Guy **Why it matters:** Four records that rank it against the rest of its own studio's output rather than against sitcoms generally, and conclude it is the weakest of them while having outlasted several of the shows they prefer. **What readers reported:** Family guy. It isn't even close to the best animated sitcom. Even in the world of Seth MacFarlane. American dad is way better. As is Bob's burgers, the great North, Rick and Morty, and solar opposites. Yet it has survived half those shows....why????? **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** One commenter reports having loved it when they were younger, which is the only warmth in the group. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Family guy. It isn't even close to the best animated sitcom. Even in the world of Seth MacFarlane. American dad is way better. As is Bob's burgers, the great North, Rick and Morty, and solar opposites. Yet it has survived half those shows....why????? source record 2050♥ 5 Later-arriving source Family guy was always garbage. American Dad was a bit better. posted about 13.3 hours after the source♥ -1 Low-like source I really loved it when I was younger, but Family Guy. posted about 8.0 hours after the source♥ 2 #### What the counts show Within 4 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 4index entries 4distinct source records 25%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 4top-level comments 0replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments4 preserved records · 4 of 4 source records accounted for **I really loved it when I was younger, but Family Guy.**♥ 2source record 1791 **Family guy. It isn't even close to the best animated sitcom. Even in the world of Seth MacFarlane. American dad is way better. As is Bob's burgers, the great North, Rick and Morty, and solar opposites. Yet it has survived half those shows....why?????**♥ 5source record 2050 **Family guy**♥ 2source record 2587 **Family guy was always garbage. American Dad was a bit better.**♥ -1source record 2800 Archive: 4 index entries preserve 4 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The Simpsons7 index entriesAlmost all of these records are about longevity rather than the early seasons. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The Simpsons Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The Simpsons 7 source recordsDisputed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2151 **Claim context:** The Simpsons **Why it matters:** Almost all of these records are about longevity rather than the early seasons. Commenters describe a show that reshaped television around itself, declined for a long time, and continues because the brand still sells; one dates the drop to a specific season and another names the point at which it should have stopped. **What readers reported:** It was such a juggernaut in its early years that it totally reshaped the television landscape around itself. Despite its long decline and having left the spotlight, it remains an incredibly recognizable brand that can move merch and sell ad spots. And they figured out how to make it on the cheap, which is why it now looks like that. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Two records go further and say they have never liked it at all, which the rest of the node does not engage with. What replies pushed back on1 If you ask me, a good point for Simpsons to bow out would've been after Simpsons Movie was finished producing. But nope of course Fox had to run Simpsons into the ground. The decline was starting to become evident around season 11\. This all said, the older seasons for the most part are really great to watch. I'd say after about Trilogy of Error in season 12(one of the last interesting episodes I recall watching), it doesn't stand out and it turns into crap. The show even started to turn away from how the characters made the show fun to watch. I.e. changing how Homer Simpsons character was like for the worse, list goes on. There's a good reason the later seasons(after about season 11-13, it starts to become not as watchable around then) were all once nicknamed by a poster on the No Homers Simpsons message board years ago as 'zombie Simpsons'. Totally agree with the Zombie Simpsons term for the later seasons. Yes that is the hill I've long stood on whenever I've unsuccessfully attempted to watch later and newer Simpsons episodes. Pushback♥ 3 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I don’t know how The Simpsons has made it so long. source record 2150♥ 4 Later-arriving source Yep you're indeed right that cheapening the cost of new episodes, dumbing down the quality of new episodes, and only continuing the show to sell new merchandise have to be the biggest reasons Simpsons continues on. posted about 9.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source The Simpsons. I can’t stand that show and have always hated it despite how many episodes I’ve watched. posted about 8.5 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 7 source records for The Simpsons together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 7index entries 7distinct source records 43.8%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 4top-level comments 3replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 7other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments7 preserved records · 7 of 7 source records accounted for **The Simpsons.**♥ 1source record 2088 **The Simpsons. I can’t stand that show and have always hated it despite how many episodes I’ve watched.**♥ 1source record 2115 **I don’t know how The Simpsons has made it so long.**♥ 4source record 2150 **It was such a juggernaut in its early years that it totally reshaped the television landscape around itself. Despite its long decline and having left the spotlight, it remains an incredibly recognizable brand that can move merch and sell ad spots. And they figured out how to make it on the cheap, which is why it now looks like that.**♥ 3source record 2151 **Yep you're indeed right that cheapening the cost of new episodes, dumbing down the quality of new episodes, and only continuing the show to sell new merchandise have to be the biggest reasons Simpsons continues on.**♥ 1source record 2152 **If you ask me, a good point for Simpsons to bow out would've been after Simpsons Movie was finished producing. But nope of course Fox had to run Simpsons into the ground. The decline was starting to become evident around season 11\. This all said, the older seasons for the most part are really great to watch. I'd say after about Trilogy of Error in season 12(one of the last interesting episodes I recall watching), it doesn't stand out and it turns into crap. The show even started to turn away from how the characters made the show fun to watch. I.e. changing how Homer Simpsons character was like for the worse, list goes on. There's a good reason the later seasons(after about season 11-13, it starts to become not as watchable around then) were all once nicknamed by a poster on the No Homers Simpsons message board years ago as 'zombie Simpsons'. Totally agree with the Zombie Simpsons term for the later seasons. Yes that is the hill I've long stood on whenever I've unsuccessfully attempted to watch later and newer Simpsons episodes.**♥ 3source record 2153 **The Simpsons**♥ -2source record 2811 Archive: 7 index entries preserve 7 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Dinosaurs5 index entriesOne rewatch answer and the replies working out why it did not hold up. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Dinosaurs Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Dinosaurs 5 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1557 **Claim context:** Dinosaurs **Why it matters:** One rewatch answer and the replies working out why it did not hold up. The commenter remembers it as hilarious and found the pacing and the jokes stale on return; the replies agree the writing was the weak part while praising the puppetry and design, and one suggests the datedness of the humour was the intention. **What readers reported:** Dinosaurs. A lot of people might be too young to remember that sitcom. I myself was just a little kid and I ended up re-watching it when I got to my twenties because I remember it being hilarious as a little kid..... And it was the hardest thing to watch. Everything in the show is absolutely awful. The pacing is terrible, the jokes are incredibly stale, nothing about it aged well and to be honest, I don't even think it was that good when it aired. It was just novel, because it was about dinosaurs. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The group's own qualification is that the show was novel rather than good, and that the ending is the part everybody remembers. What the replies added1 I felt like the humor was intentionally anachronistic because they were dinosaurs. Vaudeville-esq jokes, and played out sitcom tropes were supposed to make you roll your eyes and chuckle at how corny and out of date they were, just like dinosaurs. Which didn't work for me either. I concur, bad show. Pushback♥ 16 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint I felt like the humor was intentionally anachronistic because they were dinosaurs. Vaudeville-esq jokes, and played out sitcom tropes were supposed to make you roll your eyes and chuckle at how corny and out of date they were, just like dinosaurs. Which didn't work for me either. I concur, bad show. source record 1558♥ 16 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I felt like the humor was intentionally anachronistic because they were dinosaurs. Vaudeville-esq jokes, and played out sitcom tropes were supposed to make you roll your eyes and chuckle at how corny and out of date they were, just like dinosaurs. Which didn't work for me either. I concur, bad show. source record 1558♥ 16 Later-arriving source I fully agree with that assessment. It could have been a gem but the writing just wasn't there. posted about 8.8 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source I think the show has redeeming qualities. It’s wonderful to look at. Jim Henson’s team did a wonderful job with the costuming and set design. It also borrows from the Flintstones, but doesn’t feel entirely derivative. It was very unique and had a great aesthetic, but in the same breath felt totally unsustainable. Still, there isn’t anything quite like it. Maybe the sea-monkeys show? But the writing really let this show down. It was just unfunny, uncreative and really bland. Felt like they had a really great idea but had no idea how to make it interesting beyond the pilot. The ending was pretty funny though. posted about 8.1 hours after the source♥ 2 #### What the counts show Within 5 source records, 0 explicitly report a benefit and 1 explicitly report a limit or failure. These are attributed experiences, not effectiveness data. 5index entries 5distinct source records 31.2%of parent category 0.3%of the complete index 1top-level comments 4replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments5 preserved records · 5 of 5 source records accounted for **Dinosaurs. A lot of people might be too young to remember that sitcom. I myself was just a little kid and I ended up re-watching it when I got to my twenties because I remember it being hilarious as a little kid..... And it was the hardest thing to watch. Everything in the show is absolutely awful. The pacing is terrible, the jokes are incredibly stale, nothing about it aged well and to be honest, I don't even think it was that good when it aired. It was just novel, because it was about dinosaurs.**♥ 14source record 1557 **I felt like the humor was intentionally anachronistic because they were dinosaurs. Vaudeville-esq jokes, and played out sitcom tropes were supposed to make you roll your eyes and chuckle at how corny and out of date they were, just like dinosaurs. Which didn't work for me either. I concur, bad show.**♥ 16source record 1558 **plus it had the ballsy-est ending out of any sitcom, that I'm aware of.**♥ 12source record 1559 **I think the show has redeeming qualities. It’s wonderful to look at. Jim Henson’s team did a wonderful job with the costuming and set design. It also borrows from the Flintstones, but doesn’t feel entirely derivative. It was very unique and had a great aesthetic, but in the same breath felt totally unsustainable. Still, there isn’t anything quite like it. Maybe the sea-monkeys show? But the writing really let this show down. It was just unfunny, uncreative and really bland. Felt like they had a really great idea but had no idea how to make it interesting beyond the pilot. The ending was pretty funny though.**♥ 2source record 1614 **I fully agree with that assessment. It could have been a gem but the writing just wasn't there.**♥ 1source record 2687 Archive: 5 index entries preserve 5 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Answers that were not sitcoms at all37 records · 3 sub-topicsRecords that answer the question with a drama, a reality show or a sketch series, several of them saying so themselves. 37 records. Suits19 index entriesThe longest not-a-sitcom answer in the corpus, and the only one with professionals in the replies. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Suits Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Suits 19 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 400 **Claim context:** Suits **Why it matters:** The longest not-a-sitcom answer in the corpus, and the commenter says so themselves halfway through. The complaint is that every season repeats the same secret, that the premise could have been dissolved by the character going to law school, and that the dialogue is people entering rooms to say something dramatic and leaving. It is the only answer with professionals in the replies: several lawyers call it unwatchable. **What readers reported:** Suits - was recommended by multiple people who said they've watched through it MULTIPLE times, but every season is just a rehash of "how do we not get in trouble for having this non-lawyer do lawyer things" to the point of absurdity. It would have just been easier to have him paralegal and go to night school? And then the non-lawyer ends ups leaving before the last 2 seasons and you get stuck with Katherine Heigl. \\\*Edit - I just realized this post says sitcom, so I guess Suits doesn't technically qualify, but I'm going to stand by it. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The defenders do not argue it is accurate. They say it is enjoyable precisely as nonsense, that the cast is charismatic, and one legal worker watches it as a comedy. What the replies added2 As a lawyer it’s genuinely completely unwatchable. Oddly enough (and every lawyer that’s seen it will tell you the same), the only fictitious legal show/movie with any semblance of realism is My Cousin Vinny. From the replies♥ 127 Suits was good because mostly everyone was insanely hot and charismatic lol. Thats about it 😂 From the replies♥ 24 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint First season was pretty good, but it genuinely got worse and worse and worse, especially once it became clear they had exactly one idea. source record 1334♥ 2 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Suits - was recommended by multiple people who said they've watched through it MULTIPLE times, but every season is just a rehash of "how do we not get in trouble for having this non-lawyer do lawyer things" to the point of absurdity. It would have just been easier to have him paralegal and go to night school? And then the non-lawyer ends ups leaving before the last 2 seasons and you get stuck with Katherine Heigl. \\\*Edit - I just realized this post says sitcom, so I guess Suits doesn't technically qualify, but I'm going to stand by it. source record 400♥ 280 Later-arriving source Thank you for an actual original answer. I do enjoy Suits only because I watch it as a comedy since I was a legal aid for years. My favorite thing ever was a spoof of Oprah’s Megan Markle interview asking her how she believably played a paralegal who got a legal patent in a day and “Meghan” said “I think about this every day”. It’s absolutely ridiculous but as other commenters have said the cast is so pretty and charismatic that it’s an enjoyable watch posted about 13.3 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source I'm reaching that point with this show, and I've only watched season 1\. The actual cases and solves are pretty interesting, but the lengths they go to keep the tension of Mike's situation is already getting annoying. Donna is the only part of the show I still enjoy. posted about 7.3 hours after the source♥ 1 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [Frasier, Cheers and the rebootTurn it into a game · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-2-frasier-cheers-and-the-reboot)[Home Improvement, and everything Tim Allen did nextTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-0-subgroup-4-home-improvement-and-everything-tim-allen-did-next)[SeinfeldTurn it into a game · 4 there](#rich-node-0-group-2-subgroup-1-seinfeld) #### What the counts show Across 19 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome. 19index entries 19distinct source records 51.4%of parent category 1%of the complete index 2top-level comments 17replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 1explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 16other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. #### Observable tactic structures Turn it into a game **3**Attach it to an existing routine **2** Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments19 preserved records · 19 of 19 source records accounted for **Suits - was recommended by multiple people who said they've watched through it MULTIPLE times, but every season is just a rehash of "how do we not get in trouble for having this non-lawyer do lawyer things" to the point of absurdity. It would have just been easier to have him paralegal and go to night school? And then the non-lawyer ends ups leaving before the last 2 seasons and you get stuck with Katherine Heigl. \\\*Edit - I just realized this post says sitcom, so I guess Suits doesn't technically qualify, but I'm going to stand by it.**♥ 280source record 400 **As a lawyer it’s genuinely completely unwatchable. Oddly enough (and every lawyer that’s seen it will tell you the same), the only fictitious legal show/movie with any semblance of realism is My Cousin Vinny.**♥ 127source record 401 **Suits was good because mostly everyone was insanely hot and charismatic lol. Thats about it 😂**♥ 24source record 404 **I felt the same way! It just felt sooooo repetitive!**♥ 20source record 405 **I liked the first couple seasons but I realized it got repetitive really quickly.**♥ 6source record 406 **As a lawyer I like watching clips without the sound on when I need new clothes. The suits on Suits were on fuckin’ point.**♥ 8source record 1270 **Suits is what I call a “dramatic talking” show. Every scene is just someone walking into a room, saying something rude, shocking, and/or dramatic, and walking back out. “Harvey, Bob just called. He’s gonna sue.” “Goddammit, that’s bullshit and you know it.” “Tell that to Bob.” \[walks out\] So annoying and formulaic after the first few episodes that it became unwatchable for me.**♥ 3source record 1305 **The only reason he's banned from taking the bar initially is that he got caught taking exams for other people in his undergrad, and didn't go to law school. Both obstacles that could be overcome with just a minute amount of patience, especially with his photographic memory. To say that he couldn't go to ANY COLLEGE, EVER AGAIN it's the most nonsensical bullshit...**♥ 11source record 1332 **First season was pretty good, but it genuinely got worse and worse and worse, especially once it became clear they had exactly one idea.**♥ 2source record 1334 **Oh mY GoD MiKE RoSs DiDnT gO To hArVaRD Harvard, Harvard, Harvard Holy fuck I went insane after 5 seasons of that shit, I don’t understand how they got to 9 seasons**♥ 2source record 1335 **There’s a zero percent chance any lawyer wrote for Suits.**♥ 12source record 1346 **The clips of Suits I’ve seen give me the same vibe as the clips of Yellowstone I see. By that I mean there is always some dude being a mouthy asshole but it still portrayed as in the right or framed to look “badass” by the show. Every time I see a clip of Louis Litt, Rip, Beth, John Dutton, Harvey, etc. I’m like holy shit these people all fucking suck and are terrible. Yet they’re portrayed as protagonists at least from what I’ve seen.**♥ 2source record 1347 **Suits**♥ 2source record 2251 **I'd never seen the show, but I'm an EA in tech and people have a habit of saying, "Oh, you're just like Donna from Suits!" I finally watched a few scenes with her and got a synopsis of her place and what she did in the show and yeah, nah, guys - I'm good at my job but I ain't fuckin my boss not now, not ever, can you find something else to compare me to kthxbai.**♥ 2source record 2499 **tbf when the show was good donna was great at her job, strong willed and merely good friends with her boss. the sex part came after the show jumped the shark**♥ 8source record 2500 **My wife likes to "background binge" shows she's watched before while she's working or whatever. So, she'll put on a show and it will be running. She's on like her 3rd or 4th go with Suits. If it wasn't for the (I don't believe she's a real, human, woman) amazing redhead, I'd pay zero attention.**♥ 2source record 2501 **I'm reaching that point with this show, and I've only watched season 1\. The actual cases and solves are pretty interesting, but the lengths they go to keep the tension of Mike's situation is already getting annoying. Donna is the only part of the show I still enjoy.**♥ 1source record 2504 **I like Suits in a way, but I agree that it fits here. I explained it to someone that way once lol The law doesn't really matter, it's just the characters and whatever wacky situations they're getting into in the office. Doesn't really matter either where you come in or if you stop watching. The episodes will be the same.**♥ 1source record 2508 **Thank you for an actual original answer. I do enjoy Suits only because I watch it as a comedy since I was a legal aid for years. My favorite thing ever was a spoof of Oprah’s Megan Markle interview asking her how she believably played a paralegal who got a legal patent in a day and “Meghan” said “I think about this every day”. It’s absolutely ridiculous but as other commenters have said the cast is so pretty and charismatic that it’s an enjoyable watch**♥ 1source record 2509 Archive: 19 index entries preserve 19 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Yellowstone and the Taylor Sheridan shows4 index entriesFour records, each of them told they are in the wrong thread. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Yellowstone and the Taylor Sheridan shows Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Yellowstone and the Taylor Sheridan shows 4 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2157 **Claim context:** Yellowstone and the Taylor Sheridan shows **Why it matters:** Four records, each told they are in the wrong thread. The objection is that the shows are violence and posturing without the storytelling to carry them, and one commenter describes a year of second-hand exposure to one of the spin-offs. **What readers reported:** Yellowstone Its just testosterone. Violence and guns without the quality of storytelling. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The only reply these get is a correction that they are not sitcoms, which the commenters mostly accept. What the replies added2 They are the absolute worst, but they are not Sitcoms. From the replies♥ 2 I stayed with someone who watched Lioness, for like a year while I got back on my feet and it may be the worst shitty show i have ever seen. From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Every Taylor Sheridan show source record 470♥ 6 Later-arriving source I stayed with someone who watched Lioness, for like a year while I got back on my feet and it may be the worst shitty show i have ever seen. posted about 13.8 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source Yellowstone Its just testosterone. Violence and guns without the quality of storytelling. posted about 12.0 hours after the source♥ 2 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 4 source records for Yellowstone and the Taylor Sheridan shows together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 4index entries 4distinct source records 10.8%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 3top-level comments 1replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 4other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments4 preserved records · 4 of 4 source records accounted for **Every Taylor Sheridan show**♥ 6source record 470 **I stayed with someone who watched Lioness, for like a year while I got back on my feet and it may be the worst shitty show i have ever seen.**♥ 1source record 1460 **Anything in the Yellowstone universe.**♥ 6source record 1550 **Yellowstone Its just testosterone. Violence and guns without the quality of storytelling.**♥ 2source record 2157 Archive: 4 index entries preserve 4 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The rest of the not-a-sitcom answers14 index entriesDramas, reality shows and a sketch series offered as answers anyway. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The rest of the not-a-sitcom answers Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The rest of the not-a-sitcom answers 14 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2238 **Claim context:** The rest of the not-a-sitcom answers **Why it matters:** Dramas, reality shows and a sketch series offered as answers anyway: Lost, Glee, Gilmore Girls, Grey's Anatomy, Girls, This Is Us, Keeping Up with the Kardashians, The Apprentice, Ally McBeal and Saturday Night Live. Several are prefaced by the commenter admitting it does not qualify. The recurring complaint is the ratio: that the show's reception is out of proportion to what is in it, which is the thread's actual question even where the genre is wrong. **What readers reported:** Keeping up with the kardashians The IMDb ratings are abysmal, yet they renewed it. Meanwhile Firefly only had 1 season. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The pushback is procedural rather than about quality — commenters point out that the answer is not a sitcom — except on the sketch show, where one reply dates the decline to a specific era rather than dismissing the whole run. What the replies added1 The Will Farrel years were the start of the downfall. It’s was great before then. From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Keeping up with the kardashians The IMDb ratings are abysmal, yet they renewed it. Meanwhile Firefly only had 1 season. source record 2238♥ 3 Later-arriving source Gilmore girls. I despise that show. Lorelai & Rori. Absolutely trash. posted about 13.3 hours after the source♥ 2 Zero-like source Not a sitcom but....SNL is, and always has been, unfunny dogshit. posted about 7.3 hours after the source♥ -1 #### What the counts show The exact phrase “a couple episodes” recurs across 2 of the 14 source records in The rest of the not-a-sitcom answers; the complete archive stays available below. 14index entries 14distinct source records 37.8%of parent category 0.7%of the complete index 12top-level comments 2replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 13other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments14 preserved records · 14 of 14 source records accounted for **Girls might be the answer. i watched a couple episodes and i think it was the worst trash i've ever seen**♥ 2source record 1921 **Lost**♥ 1source record 2001 **If 'mtv's the challenge' counts - good lord that sht should have ended decades ago.**♥ 2source record 2057 **Gilmore Girls**♥ 1source record 2083 **The Apprentice**♥ -14source record 2117 **Not a sitcom but....SNL is, and always has been, unfunny dogshit.**♥ -1source record 2135 **The Will Farrel years were the start of the downfall. It’s was great before then.**♥ 1source record 2190 **Keeping up with the kardashians The IMDb ratings are abysmal, yet they renewed it. Meanwhile Firefly only had 1 season.**♥ 3source record 2238 **How has no one said Glee? I loved it at the time, can remember the point at which (I felt) it jumped the shark and stopped watching, but having caught a couple episodes recently it was genuinely not good. I think I made excuses for it because of the music, but most of the characters were just horrible.**♥ 0source record 2322 **Greys anatomy.**♥ 0source record 2398 **Ally McBeal & Jack and Jill**♥ 2source record 2592 **Gilmore girls. I despise that show. Lorelai & Rori. Absolutely trash.**♥ 2source record 2593 **Kardashians and sitcom it was**♥ 1source record 2699 **This is Us is atrocious**♥ 0source record 2746 Archive: 14 index entries preserve 14 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs Answers that named a rule instead of a show25 records · 3 sub-topicsThe commenters who refused to pick a title and named a property instead. 25 records. Anything with a laugh track14 index entriesThe thread's most-repeated property complaint, and the records arguing about whether it is a laugh track at all. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: Anything with a laugh track Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### Anything with a laugh track 14 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1963 **Claim context:** Anything with a laugh track **Why it matters:** The thread's most-repeated property complaint: commenters who refuse to name a title and answer with the device instead. The argument they make is that recorded laughter substitutes for writing, tells the viewer when to respond, and that removing it from a clip exposes what was underneath. **What readers reported:** For me it's anything with a laugh track added in. In the 1960s this was understandable. Today? Unforgivable. Nothing with a laugh track added should have lasted more than 1 season in my opinin, and yes I will die on that hill. Downvote away, I do not care. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The rebuttal appears in this node and in every large show node: that most of the programmes being accused were filmed in front of live audiences, that the pauses are timing rather than padding, and that stripping the laughter out of any studio comedy would produce the same effect regardless of quality. That in turn is answered by commenters who say a live audience told when to laugh is not meaningfully different. What the replies added2 Always Sunny is another "watch shitty people be shitty" show in the vein of Seinfeld, just without a laugh track. From the replies♥ 9 IASIP is a direct parody of all the sitcoms. Dialed up to 11. From the replies♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source Wouldn't that be true of any show with a laugh track, though? source record 1165♥ 33 Later-arriving source Anything with a laugh track. posted about 15.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Is there a good show with a laugh track from the last 20 years? Ever? posted about 5.7 hours after the source♥ -5 #### What the counts show Within 14 source records, 3 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 14index entries 14distinct source records 56%of parent category 0.7%of the complete index 6top-level comments 8replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 3asks a question 0says they intend to try it 11other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments14 preserved records · 14 of 14 source records accounted for **I read somewhere that most of the laugh tracks that are used were recorded in the 1950s. So pretty much everyone that's on that laugh track is dead. I think of that every time I see a modern sitcom that uses one. In feel that it's apropos somehow with U.S. culture.**♥ 20source record 613 **Wouldn't that be true of any show with a laugh track, though?**♥ 33source record 1165 **I mean if you do that for the funniest stand up ever you get the same thing.**♥ 19source record 1166 **\[link removed\] Wow that's depressing**♥ 2source record 1167 **There's nothing inherently wrong with sitcoms. People just associate them with the standard network sitcoms that have laugh tracks or live audiences. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is a sitcom that doesn't adhere to any of those norms.**♥ 5source record 1200 **Anything with a laugh track is unwatchable for me**♥ 1source record 1461 **A generic measure l use is you can generally tell by the laugh track. Obnoxiously loud overt the top and triggering at any hint of funny... a cheap trick**♥ 2source record 1831 **For me it's anything with a laugh track added in. In the 1960s this was understandable. Today? Unforgivable. Nothing with a laugh track added should have lasted more than 1 season in my opinin, and yes I will die on that hill. Downvote away, I do not care.**♥ 3source record 1963 **Anything with a laugh track after 2005**♥ 3source record 2048 **Take the laugh track away and you’ll hear the racist jokes better.**♥ 2source record 2138 **Is there a good show with a laugh track from the last 20 years? Ever?**♥ -5source record 2579 **If you watch it without a laugh track its way less funny.**♥ -3source record 2581 **I really think shows with laugh tracks are terribly unwatchable. A show so many people love is Seinfeld which I just never thought was funny. Jerry Seinfeld is just not funny at all imho.**♥ 0source record 2740 **Anything with a laugh track.**♥ 1source record 2767 Archive: 14 index entries preserve 14 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs All of them7 index entriesRecords that refuse to name a title and condemn the form. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: All of them Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### All of them 7 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 2352 **Claim context:** All of them **Why it matters:** Records that refuse to name a title and condemn the form. The reasons given vary widely — shouting as a substitute for jokes, the shows as social conditioning, or simply that the genre is tolerated rather than enjoyed. **What readers reported:** There aren’t any good sitcoms. Sitcoms are tolerated. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The thread's own answer to these is that the question asked which one, and that a blanket verdict on the form does not distinguish between the shows people are actually arguing about. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source At least halve of them. source record 1700♥ 1 Later-arriving source Every american sitcom posted about 11.8 hours after the source Zero-like source All of them. It’s just propaganda and conditioning for the patriarchy. posted about 5.5 hours after the source♥ -1 #### What the counts show This report keeps all 7 source records for All of them together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof. 7index entries 7distinct source records 28%of parent category 0.4%of the complete index 7top-level comments 0replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 0asks a question 0says they intend to try it 7other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments7 preserved records · 7 of 7 source records accounted for **At least halve of them.**♥ 1source record 1700 **Any sitcom that's just yelling non-stop. Yelling isn't a joke and isn't funny.**♥ 1source record 1930 **All of them.**♥ 1source record 2086 **All of them. It’s just propaganda and conditioning for the patriarchy.**♥ -1source record 2132 **There aren’t any good sitcoms. Sitcoms are tolerated.**♥ 1source record 2352 **Every american sitcom**♥ 0source record 2760 **Nearly all of them from what I"ve seen.**♥ -1source record 2795 Archive: 7 index entries preserve 7 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The shows that simply ran too long4 index entriesThe diagnosis a few commenters offer instead of an answer. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The shows that simply ran too long Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The shows that simply ran too long 4 source records **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 448 **Claim context:** The shows that simply ran too long **Why it matters:** The diagnosis a few commenters offer instead of an answer: that most of the shows being named had one or two decent seasons and that the fault is a network that could not tell when to stop. One record points out how many of the titles in the thread ran for a decade and made money doing it. **What readers reported:** I agree these shows are terrible, but a majority of them had 1 or 2 good seasons in the beginning. The problem seems to be, network TV is clueless as too: a: when to end a show! b: really out of touch with the majority of viewers, clueless as to what to replace shows with. They need to find a way , to found out what viewers want that’s not AI. Because otherwise we just get another spinoff of NCIS to take the time slot. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** The related claim in this group — that the shows which last are carried by good actors or by attractive ones rather than by writing — is asserted rather than argued, and nothing in the thread tests it. #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source I agree these shows are terrible, but a majority of them had 1 or 2 good seasons in the beginning. The problem seems to be, network TV is clueless as too: a: when to end a show! b: really out of touch with the majority of viewers, clueless as to what to replace shows with. They need to find a way , to found out what viewers want that’s not AI. Because otherwise we just get another spinoff of NCIS to take the time slot. source record 448♥ 7 Later-arriving source The sitcoms that actually do well despite bad story lines are the ones with actually good actors who give their character character. Or they have some eye candy. Or both. posted about 9.5 hours after the source♥ 1 Low-like source Is there one that didn’t go on too long? posted about 8.8 hours after the source♥ 1 #### What the counts show Within 4 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome. 4index entries 4distinct source records 16%of parent category 0.2%of the complete index 4top-level comments 0replies #### What commenters explicitly report 0explicitly reports a benefit 0explicitly reports a limit or failure 1asks a question 0says they intend to try it 3other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments4 preserved records · 4 of 4 source records accounted for **I agree these shows are terrible, but a majority of them had 1 or 2 good seasons in the beginning. The problem seems to be, network TV is clueless as too: a: when to end a show! b: really out of touch with the majority of viewers, clueless as to what to replace shows with. They need to find a way , to found out what viewers want that’s not AI. Because otherwise we just get another spinoff of NCIS to take the time slot.**♥ 7source record 448 **Interesting that several listed went 10 years or so and made millions.**♥ 2source record 1603 **Is there one that didn’t go on too long?**♥ 1source record 2267 **The sitcoms that actually do well despite bad story lines are the ones with actually good actors who give their character character. Or they have some eye candy. Or both.**♥ 1source record 2271 Archive: 4 index entries preserve 4 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs The long tail46 records · 1 sub-topicsEvery show named by one or two records, kept whole rather than summarised away. 46 records. The one-vote answers46 index entriesEvery show named by one or two records: Becker, Wings, Titus, Reba, The Nanny, Mid-Century Modern and the rest of the long tail. Source-backed index report #### Answer card naming the show, what commenters said was wrong with it, and what the people defending it said back: The one-vote answers Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below. #### The one-vote answers 46 source recordsDiscussed **Evidence Status:** Community-reported opinion; not independently verified**Representative Source Record Id:** 1593 **Claim context:** The one-vote answers **Why it matters:** Every show named by one or two records, kept whole rather than summarised away: Becker, Wings, Titus, Reba, The Nanny, My Name Is Earl, Letterkenny, Grounded for Life, Just Shoot Me, The Drew Carey Show, Mad About You, One Day at a Time, Yes Dear, The Neighborhood, Mid-Century Modern, Call Me Kat, Shifting Gears, Whitney, Mulaney, House of Payne, The Mindy Project, The Wonder Years, Happy Endings and That 70s Show among them. The complaints are as varied as the list, but two recur: a show that lasted far longer than anyone around the commenter watched it, and a lead whose unkindness the show framed as charm. **What readers reported:** Becker. I don’t think it was ever POPULAR, but it lasted longer than it should have. The premise: Ted Danson is mean to everyone. The people in his life (including a blind man) don’t deserve to be punchlines, but he treats them like they are. I hated Ted Danson for a LONG time because of that show. It took me ages to separate the actor from the material. **Limit:** Reported opinion only. Everything in this card is what commenters said about a show they watched; nothing in it is a verdict on the programme, its writers or its cast, and no production or ratings claim made in the thread has been checked. **Counterpoint:** Several of these records argue against their own answer as they make it, conceding the show was never popular enough for the question or that they liked the performer everywhere else. What the replies added1 Aww I kinda liked Herman's Head. But I gotta agree with you on The Nanny. But my vote for absolute WORST sitcom of all time: Two Broke Girls Reported failure♥ 2 #### Where commenters report limits Explicit limit or counterpoint The Wonder Years. My first husband loved the show, I just couldn’t get into it. source record 1878♥ 2 Explicit limit or counterpoint I agree, I re-watched the entire run and really wanted to like it, but couldn’t get into it. source record 1940♥ 1 #### Source-record spotlights Most engaged source God Mulaney was terrible, which sucks because he's hysterical. They were forcing terrible writing on a great writer, and changing his persona. source record 266♥ 15 Later-arriving source Not the absolute worst, but Drew Carey Show was never as good as the sum of its parts and is the poster child for a show that stuck around forever for no good reason. The earlier seasons are built on sitcom tropes and fat/gay jokes. It never reached the heights of Seinfeld or Cheers but it was enough of a known commodity to perpetually be renewed even long after the height of its popularity. And that’s when things really got weird. They pulled every gimmick: live episode, spot the error, special musical episode, you name it. It was pretty much always the “best thing on at the moment” option, and now hazy nostalgia is elevating it to classic status. posted about 15.2 hours after the source♥ 1 Zero-like source Herman's Head. The Nanny. posted about 6.9 hours after the source♥ -1 #### Related evidence elsewhere in the index [The Ranch“that 70s show” · 3 there](#rich-node-0-group-3-subgroup-5-the-ranch) #### What the counts show The exact phrase “that 70s show” recurs across 3 of the 46 source records in The one-vote answers; the complete archive stays available below. 46index entries 46distinct source records 100%of parent category 2.3%of the complete index 38top-level comments 8replies #### What commenters explicitly report 1explicitly reports a benefit 2explicitly reports a limit or failure 4asks a question 0says they intend to try it 39other source context These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings. **Reading limit:** Counts show source-record support for this index node. Explicit language and exact-phrase rules do not establish uniqueness, semantic exhaustiveness, or effectiveness. Browse the original comments46 preserved records · 46 of 46 source records accounted for **God Mulaney was terrible, which sucks because he's hysterical. They were forcing terrible writing on a great writer, and changing his persona.**♥ 15source record 266 **Netflix also had a pothead "sitcom" starring Kathy Bates. I had to look it up and it's called Disjointed. I got high and became disappointed.**♥ 2source record 626 **Speaking of her, she had her own show in 2011 called Whitney. I watched the first 10 mins of the pilot and had to turn it off. It was so bad but it lasted 2 seasons.**♥ 4source record 890 **Mulaney’s humor just doesn’t translate to a sitcom. His weird talk show on Netflix is great.**♥ 3source record 908 **Mad About You**♥ 10source record 1395 **Mid-Century Modern. Basically, it was the Gay version of The Golden Girls. The writing wasn't horrible, but the casting wasn't great...ahem, Matt Bomer. Only one season then cancelled.**♥ 3source record 1513 **Mid Century Modern,I was expecting a gay male version of golden girls kinda. Maybe touch of will and Grace. Just trashy jokes over and over, cringe one liners. Guess that's why it lasted only 10 episodes**♥ 3source record 1517 **Becker. I don’t think it was ever POPULAR, but it lasted longer than it should have. The premise: Ted Danson is mean to everyone. The people in his life (including a blind man) don’t deserve to be punchlines, but he treats them like they are. I hated Ted Danson for a LONG time because of that show. It took me ages to separate the actor from the material.**♥ 7source record 1593 **Yes Dear**♥ 9source record 1597 **This show was known for being critically loathed yet having high viewership. You cant even stream it anywhere**♥ 6source record 1598 **my wife & kids**♥ 2source record 1601 **The new Night Court— OMG?!? The laugh track and seriously unfunny writing… unbelievably bad**♥ 2source record 1691 **Any of those awful sitcoms from Tyler Perry**♥ 2source record 1738 **Reba**♥ 7source record 1783 **One Day at a Time**♥ 4source record 1800 **Just Shoot Me. It’s a sitcom about a fashion magazine in NYC and none of the characters are gay. Even as a kid I called bullshit. They got the part about one of the characters being a DL rapist accurate, tho.**♥ 2source record 1828 **I've never met anyone who admitted to watching Wings.**♥ 1source record 1844 **Grounded For Life sucks ass.**♥ 1source record 1846 **Horsin' Around**♥ 1source record 1851 **House of Payne**♥ 2source record 1871 **The Mindy project**♥ 2source record 1876 **The Wonder Years. My first husband loved the show, I just couldn’t get into it.**♥ 2source record 1878 **Not the absolute worst, but Drew Carey Show was never as good as the sum of its parts and is the poster child for a show that stuck around forever for no good reason. The earlier seasons are built on sitcom tropes and fat/gay jokes. It never reached the heights of Seinfeld or Cheers but it was enough of a known commodity to perpetually be renewed even long after the height of its popularity. And that’s when things really got weird. They pulled every gimmick: live episode, spot the error, special musical episode, you name it. It was pretty much always the “best thing on at the moment” option, and now hazy nostalgia is elevating it to classic status.**♥ 1source record 1880 **The Nanny. Her voice drove me mad!**♥ 3source record 1892 **Is it too early to say Alley Cats?**♥ 1source record 1928 **Call Me Kat**♥ 1source record 1932 **I agree, I re-watched the entire run and really wanted to like it, but couldn’t get into it.**♥ 1source record 1940 **I know no one else gives a shit about it, but my father-in-law has/had an affinity to Becker which borders/bordered on concerning.**♥ 1source record 1994 **Not sure if it counts cause it didn’t get super popular, but I read the pilot script for Shifting Gears in one of my screenwriting classes in college and oh my. That script sucked! I don’t understand how that show got off the ground, much less had 2 seasons and renewed for a third.**♥ 1source record 2020 **The Neighborhood**♥ 2source record 2042 **This doesnt count. But it totally reminds me of this one show on called The last man on earth. And the first season is all about finding more humans that are on earth. Pissed me right off**♥ 1source record 2082 **Any of the Tyler Perry “shows”. They’re too long jokes that go on for too long with flat characters.**♥ 1source record 2095 **Reba**♥ 1source record 2097 **\*That 70s Show\*, \*Seinfeld\*, \*Friends\*, \*Trailer Park Boys\*, \*Jersey Shore\***♥ 0source record 2130 **Wha' Happened only lasted a year and thats good because thats how you establish a cult.**♥ 1source record 2172 **Happy Endings lasted two seasons longer than it should have**♥ 0source record 2223 **My Name is Earl. 96 episodes. Never met a single person who watched that shit.**♥ 3source record 2246 **When the Whistle Blows**♥ 2source record 2249 **Letterkenny. The stupidest show ever made. And somehow they managed to drag it out for 12 seasons. Like, who the hell was actually watching this?!**♥ 1source record 2274 **Titus**♥ 1source record 2276 **Herman's Head. The Nanny.**♥ -1source record 2315 **Aww I kinda liked Herman's Head. But I gotta agree with you on The Nanny. But my vote for absolute WORST sitcom of all time: Two Broke Girls**♥ 2source record 2316 **That 70’s Show. My wife loves it, but I think it is awful. The jokes are bad, and the canned laughter is even worse.**♥ 2source record 2324 **I was gonna say "That 70s Show" but: Final episode aired May 2006 Problematic actors/cast dynamic I probably only still like it solely for nostalgia (I grew up watching it, not born in the 70s lol)**♥ 1source record 2580 **Anything with David Spade or Maya Rudolph**♥ 2source record 2589 **Horsin' Around**♥ 2source record 2590 Archive: 46 index entries preserve 46 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs How this catalog was built **How this catalog is organized** The complete source archive contains all 2813 captured comments. 1993 of them name a sitcom or judge the show their own thread is about, and are cited by 57 visible reviewed answer cards across 10 categories. The remaining 820 are agreement, catchphrases, tangents, questions and comments about the thread itself; they stay in the labelled source archive and are not credited as answers. Every show that drew a defence inside the thread carries it in the same card. Source: Reddit comments — 1 thread, 2813 comments (863 top-level, 1950 replies) ## Selected comments from the discussion This export carries real like counts and timestamps. The first 18 are the most resonant on-topic top-level comment from each stage of the discussion, ranked by resonance within their arrival-time cohort so later arrivals are not penalised for having had less time to accumulate likes. The last 6 received no likes at all and were chosen for the specificity of what they describe. Bing bang theory. It's the dumb people's idea of what smart people are like. Without laughtracks it's just a string of unfunny cringe weird stuff most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 7,374 No love for The Ranch? It's unwatchable. The laugh-track is so overbearing that it feels like a parody. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 2,105 Anything Tim Allen did after Home Improvement, which are all basically rewritten Home Improvements. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 2,776 That show where some schlubby wisecracking guy has a hot wife and they hate each other. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 4,385 According To Jim aired for NINE SEASONS most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 2,997 I feel like 50% of the episodes of Three's Company involved someone mishearing what someone else said and that would become the plot. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 104 The most correct answer has to be Last Man Standing. It ran 9 seasons, was canceled after season 6 and was revived by FOX, a main character (daughter #1) was fired and recast after season 1, another main character (daughter #2) was fired and recast after season 6, and another main character (daughter #3) left after season 6\. The show basically ran a skeleton crew and died slowly and painfully for another 3 seasons. Tim Allen must have some insane leverage in the sitcom world. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 29 This is going to piss a lot of you off, especially elder Millennials, but \*Full House\* was just straight garbage. Painful to watch. It’s nostalgia for most people, I imagine, but as someone who was a young adult when it aired, it was excruciating to watch. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 88 Friends. Not a funny show most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 9 Everybody Loves Raymond most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 3 Hot take but How I met Your Mother. The main character is insufferable and neil patrick harris’s character is so corny most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 255 Big Bang Theory- an idiots idea of what smart people are like. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 13 The Big Bang Theory I'm the \*ideal\* target audience for this show; nerdy, into that balanced mix of science and pop culture, love a good cozy-friend-group show, like the actors and the characters they play, and am even a huge fan of The Barenaked Ladies who did the theme song. I have watched several episodes, and gone in with an open (optimistic even!) mind, but I have never laughed once. I can \*see\* why the jokes should be funny. I can even appreciate that there are some good concepts there, but not one moment of that show has ever inspired a subtle chuckle, mild guffaw, or brief exhalation of air through my nose. While I wouldn't say it's the worst sitcom of all time, it is definitely more popular than it should be for what it is. Read more most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 18 I'm probably in a minority, but I always thought Two and a Half Men was terrible. Crude, vulgar, obvious and unfunny. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 51 How I Met Your Mother. Nine seasons and they threw away the character development of most of them to go with the original ending that no longer made sense. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 65 Would 2 Broke Girls count? I hated that show! I feel like that should have only been 2 episodes at most. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 5 The Office, I hate everything about that show, boring and just stupid. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 8 At least halve of them. most resonant in its arrival cohort♥ 1 I found Big Bang Theory to be unwatchable. My brother would sometimes have it on so that's how I saw it. It's one of those sitcoms by a traditional sitcom writer who hired a bunch of old sitcom writers who have been writing the same jokes for 40 years but then they jammed in some nerd shit. The irony is that Chuck Lorre co created pretty interesting sitcoms early in his career (Cybil and Dharma and Greg) and worked on og Roseanne. I liked to say it was the dumbest show about supposedly smart people I'd ever seen. I hadn't seen it without the laugh track until later, but even when I first saw it I noticed that for pretty much every joke they'd set it up and I knew exactly what the punchline was gonna be. I've seen enough sitcoms to have seen a nearly identical joke multiple times in the past. It's why at the time especially comedy shows like The Office, Community, Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, Sunny and The League (even Scrubs and before that Newsradio) were at all enjoyable. None of them relied on standard sitcom joke structure, set up and delivery and a laugh track to tell you exactly when you were supposed to laugh. Dude I hate that shit so much. Read more no likes — selected for specificity Alice. It was inspired by an interesting film with good actors and fed to television audiences who were apparently starved for absolute corny drivel. It makes me feel like I'm hearing chalk on a blackboard just to think of that show. Insults not only the intelligence of the viewers, but it also insults the original film. no likes — selected for specificity How has no one said Glee? I loved it at the time, can remember the point at which (I felt) it jumped the shark and stopped watching, but having caught a couple episodes recently it was genuinely not good. I think I made excuses for it because of the music, but most of the characters were just horrible. no likes — selected for specificity I really think shows with laugh tracks are terribly unwatchable. A show so many people love is Seinfeld which I just never thought was funny. Jerry Seinfeld is just not funny at all imho. no likes — selected for specificity My parents really loved 'On The Buses' and 'Are You Being Served?' when they were being shown on tv here... and man, how many jokes about Mrs Slocombe's pussy did we need to hear? no likes — selected for specificity It’s sometimes baffling to me which shows hit and which ones don’t because I think Friends is just as bad as any show listed here. I’m not exactly a sitcom aficionado though no likes — selected for specificity ## How the discussion breaks down Relative volume of distinct source-backed records across every reviewed category in this corpus. ### The CBS block, and the producer the thread kept blaming 696 distinct coded comment records 9 normalized answers ### The 1990s megahits 404 distinct coded comment records 7 normalized answers ### The schlubby husband, the hot wife, and the shows built on them 327 distinct coded comment records 11 normalized answers ### The 2000s and 2010s 201 distinct coded comment records 10 normalized answers ### British and Irish television 137 distinct coded comment records 4 normalized answers ### The sitcoms people grew up on 104 distinct coded comment records 6 normalized answers ### The long tail 46 distinct coded comment records 1 normalized answer ### Answers that were not sitcoms at all 37 distinct coded comment records 3 normalized answers ### Answers that named a rule instead of a show 25 distinct coded comment records 3 normalized answers ### Cartoons and puppets counted as sitcoms 16 distinct coded comment records 3 normalized answers ## The two answers at the top, and the argument nobody won Two answers sit at the top of this thread and neither of them is a title. The most-liked comment in the whole corpus is a verdict and a theory at once: *“Bing bang theory. It's the dumb people's idea of what smart people are like. Without laughtracks it's just a string of unfunny cringe weird stuff”* The second is a format rather than a programme: *“That show where some schlubby wisecracking guy has a hot wife and they hate each other.”* The replies underneath it spend the next hundred comments deciding which shows it meant, and one of them stacks the titles into a single sentence: *“Everybody Loves the King of Queens According to Jim.”* **423 of the 1993 classified records are about The Big Bang Theory** — more than any other show by a factor of nearly two, with Friends second on 245 and Mrs Brown's Boys third on 118\. But the same node holds the loudest disagreement in the corpus. A commenter who dislikes it still objects to how it is being disliked: *“I don’t even like the show but “nerd blackface” is one of the worst things I have ever read. People need to log off their computers every once in a while”* Another puts the defence plainly: *“its mid, but perfectly fine for it's purpose. Certainly not the worst”* And one record argues the show qualifies precisely because of its size rather than its badness: *“Pretty sure it's because it was the #1 rated show for many years. Yes, plenty of worse shows, but how about worst sitcoms that pulled 20M viewers a week? The question is worst sitcom "that got way more popular than it should have." TBBT fits that to a tee.”* **The argument the thread never settles is the laugh track.** 14 records answer with the device itself rather than a show, and inside the two largest nodes the same correction keeps being made: *“That show didn't use a laugh track.. despite Reddits popular belief. This is easily learned with a 5 second Google.”* It does not end there. *“I don’t understand why people think that makes it better. If the show didn’t use a laugh track, the audience was filled with people who laughed at literally anything, up to and including actors just walking into a room.”* And a reply in the Friends thread makes the counter-case that the edit itself is the problem: *“Such a tired and bad example. A. There was no laugh track it was a studio audience. B. Editing out the laughs makes the timing for all the jokes wrong which will make anything not funny. Not claiming the humor holds up for everyone as it was very much of it's time and the cultural touchstones of the day, but the "if you edit out the laugh track then it's not funny" can be applied nearly every show ever recorded with one or with a live studio audience. You are in essence saying "If you mess up the timing of a joke then the joke won't be funny" which is a given.”* **Defenders are kept beside detractors throughout.** The 404 records in the 1990s category include people naming Seinfeld as unwatchable and, directly beneath them, the same reply every time: *“Just throwing it out there, they're not supposed to be likable. They're all brash, selfish idiots. That's the whole point. Larry David's rule for the show was "No hugging, no learning." If you didn't like that part of it may I recommend never watching Always Sunny.”* Mrs Brown's Boys draws the most one-sided criticism in the corpus and still collects a defence: *“Goes to show that if you don't find a comedy funny, odds are it isn't aimed at you. The show is pure trash but it's had my mother howling with laughter so it's alright in my book.”* Browse the original comments2,813 audited comments and replies PreviousNext Dataset, coverage, and methodology 2,813 comments read and classified 1,993 records naming or judging a show 57 shows and answers they sort into 423 records about the single biggest answer ## How this was counted The working unit is a comment record, not a person and not a distinct show. All 2813 canonical comments from this one thread (863 top-level, 1950 replies) were read in thread order, so that every reply was judged against the comment it answers, and each was assigned to exactly one of the 57 answers or one exclusion bucket. 1993 records name a show or judge the show their own thread is about, and all 1993 appear in the complete index below. The other 820 break down as catchphrases, quoted lines and joke riffs (204), off-topic tangents (181), comments about the thread, Reddit or the arguing itself (160), records about a show raised as the good version instead (119), bare agreements and one-line reactions (67), fragments, corrections and removed comments (47), and questions and admissions of never having seen it (42). A record that names several shows is counted once, under the first show it names. A record that names a show and gives no reason still counts, because the name is the answer; a record that names no show and judges none is excluded with a specific reason. 1993 counts classified comment records, not distinct shows. Repeats were deliberately kept: 423 records are about The Big Bang Theory and 245 about Friends, and each stays its own row rather than being merged into one. Heart counts are the raw numbers as captured. The first hour of this thread holds 21.0% of all its hearts, so a ranking by raw hearts would mostly rank arrival time; the categories below are ordered by how many records they hold, not by popularity. Records defending a show sit inside that show's own answer rather than in a separate section, because the disagreement is the most interesting thing in this thread and separating it would flatten it. Nothing here is verified beyond what people typed. These are reported opinions about publicly released television, not assessments by this publication, and the thread contradicts itself constantly.