The Unspoken Exhaustion of Dog Ownership: What Pet Culture Refuses to Tell You

Analysis of over 4,000 community reflections reveals the unspoken realities of dog ownership: relentless sanitation, schedule captivity, sensory overload, and the taboo guilt of pet regret.
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What owning a dog actually costs — the bills, the hours and the fixes people said worked

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What it cost them, and what they said made it smaller

Across all 5,471 captured comments the costs people actually name are far more specific than “a lot of work”: the emergency surgery with a figure attached, the monthly total of food and medication and grooming, the boarding bill that decides whether a holiday happens at all, the senior years nobody plans for, and — the most-upvoted answer in the entire thread — somebody else's off-leash dog turning a carefully socialised animal permanently reactive. The thread argues with itself just as hard, and that argument is reported here too: 254 records say this is an untrained dog rather than a dog, 107 say the mess is solved by picking it up as it happens, and 236 say the right pet was a cat — every one of them placed beside the answer it disputes rather than filed away.

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  • The most-upvoted answer is not a chore at all: it is somebody else's off-leash dog, and the reactive dog it leaves behind
  • The money is monthly as well as catastrophic — commenters itemise food, medication, grooming and yard cleaning by the month
  • Boarding is where the schedule turns into a price, quoted here by the night, the week and the month
  • The senior years, not the puppy months, are what turn devoted owners into exhausted ones
  • What people said worked: match the breed to the life you have, choose a lower-need dog, or borrow somebody else's
  • The thread's own rebuttal — pick it up, walk the dog, change the food, train it — is reported beside the complaints it answers
  • Every quotation on this page is a commenter's own words, reproduced exactly and attributed to a source record
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What a dog actually cost, in figures228 records · 4 sub-topicsThe biggest numbers in the thread, and the one genuinely two-sided practical argument it has with itself. 228 records.
The emergency vet bill, in the numbers people actually paid80 index entriesNamed operations and named figures, from the people who paid them — and the sub-thread of things dogs swallowed to get there.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: The emergency vet bill, in the numbers people actually paid

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The emergency vet bill, in the numbers people actually paid

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Situation: A dog swallows something, tears a ligament or grows a tumour, and the bill arrives in one piece

Why readers chose it: 80 records, and what makes them usable is that most of them carry a figure. Torn cruciate ligaments dominate: TPLO surgery appears again and again at roughly $6,000 to $11,000 a knee, and several commenters paid it twice for the same dog. The second cluster is things dogs swallowed — an industrial twist tie, two fish hooks tied to a bobber, a sock, a bottle of ibuprofen, rocks — and a veterinary technician and a pet-emergency-room worker both confirm from inside the clinic that this is routine rather than freakish. The top of the range is five figures: $13,000 for perforated intestines and sepsis, $16,000 for a fence after repeated escapes and injuries, £9,500 for a twisted spleen, close to $40,000 for a brain tumour. The limit these records keep arriving at is that the bill is neither predictable nor optional once it appears, and that several of them paid it and lost the dog anyway.

What readers reported: My guy, a black lab, swallowed an industrial twist tie, which perforated his intestines and led to sepsis at 2 years of age. He survived after surgery and a $13K vet bill. He is now 5 years old, and started growling at a spot on my wife's leg while she worked in her office. She decided to go to the doctor and found out is was an extremely aggressive melanoma that was caught before spreading widely. The little guy essentially saved my wife's life and earned his vet repair bill.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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Lol we had a 2 year old terrier mix who slipped on our hardwood and broke her leg and needed surgery. That was fun.

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I have 6 dogs. 4 of them live outside. They are working dogs so they are well trained to protect our property and livestock. They keep the mountain lions and other predators away. They are fantastic, hardly need us for anything, and are generally really easy to care for. That is, unless they get injured. Three days ago one of them got herself into a fight with a rattlesnake and the rattlesnake bit her on the nose. Got the dog to the ER vet right away. Dog survived and will make a full recovery but our bank account is holding on for dear life. It might not ever recover. Pray for me. The indoor dogs are part of our family and I love them dearly, but they are massive pains in the ass. The older one is 15 and can no longer hold in his piss or shit so I constantly have to clean up after him. He wears diapers but he likes to take it off and pee on the living room floor. The younger one is pretty much made of Velcro and attaches herself to me 24/7. It's real fun when you're trying to cook and constantly trip over her. A few years ago I tripped, hit my head on the cabinet and hurt my wrist really bad. Thankfully nothing was broken and I didn't need stitches, but it was a close call. Dodged an expensive medical bill with that one. I could go on and on with stories that will confirm your stance that dogs are horrible pets. But I still love them and can never see myself without them.

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Paid 15k for my schnauzer at almost 15 to have procedures done along with daily medications and he lived comfortably and happily until 17 1/2 and didn’t fall apart until the end. Without it he would have fell apart right at 15. Sometimes it’s more about actually being best friends/ companions with your animals then treating them as a burden when stuff gets tough. Like having children you wanted them, you thought it would be “cool, fun” when its a lot more simple then that. If you’re just going to complain about the money side of it well then it shows your priorities aren’t straight, and haven’t taken time to get pet insurance (even if it doesn’t always work out) it helps. Yall are weird

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Spent 11k on my cat recently when he ate a bottle of my dogs apoquel. Just a heads up the chewable apoquel is toxic to cats and yet so alluring to them they will scale high shelves and break open prescription a prescription bottle that hasn’t even been opened yet to get to what’s inside. Not to mention skip on the easily accessible bag of beef jerky on the table to the med instead. He’s only 5 and the treatment was workin and he was in fact getting better he just needed more time on IV fluids. Days of being at a pet hospital on IV quickly racked up to 11k unfortunately

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My guy, a black lab, swallowed an industrial twist tie, which perforated his intestines and led to sepsis at 2 years of age. He survived after surgery and a $13K vet bill. He is now 5 years old, and started growling at a spot on my wife's leg while she worked in her office. She decided to go to the doctor and found out is was an extremely aggressive melanoma that was caught before spreading widely. The little guy essentially saved my wife's life and earned his vet repair bill.

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Also, every vet visit is $500 minimum. And your house smells and has lots of extra hair.

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I have two cats and a dog. I’ve spent $10,000 on the dog in ACL surgery’s and I just got a diagnosis my youngest cat has lymphoma, and we haven’t even started treatment yet. I love them so much but at 32, I don’t know if I can do this again once they’re gone.

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What the counts show

Across 80 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.

80index entries
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40top-level comments
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1explicitly reports a limit or failure
8asks a question
0says they intend to try it
71other source context

These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings.

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Turn it into a game 3Attach it to an existing routine 2Swap instead of subtract 2

Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below.

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20k deep on my 2 year old Golden lab mix in the last 6 months. ACL reconstruction surgery, then removal of two fish hooks tied together with the bobber hooked in different parts of the intestine. All cash homie.♥ 117source record 3
My guy, a black lab, swallowed an industrial twist tie, which perforated his intestines and led to sepsis at 2 years of age. He survived after surgery and a $13K vet bill. He is now 5 years old, and started growling at a spot on my wife's leg while she worked in her office. She decided to go to the doctor and found out is was an extremely aggressive melanoma that was caught before spreading widely. The little guy essentially saved my wife's life and earned his vet repair bill.♥ 271source record 4
Young Golden's and labs can be rough (vet tech of 15 years in ecc- I've seen them eat a lot of things haha)♥ 4source record 13
Lol we had a 2 year old terrier mix who slipped on our hardwood and broke her leg and needed surgery. That was fun.♥ 3source record 482
My old man had TPLO, then got cancer. Doubled down on chemo!! 😅♥ 2source record 492
Yup. Two knee replacements at 6k a pop in the same year for my German shepherd. Love him so so much but gzzz♥ 2source record 496
My 6 mo old Aussie/healer mix needed liver shunt surgery that required flying in a surgeon from Florida, all to the tune of $12k - no pet insurance, had to heloc the new house to pay for that one. He sadly passed in Nov 2025 at 10 due to complications :( But we just got a new bundle of crazy! So far, so good 🤞♥ 2source record 501
Ha! My 5 year old ACD needed $6k in vet bills and he STILL died.♥ 2source record 502
I don’t understand if vets love animals so much, why do they try to bankrupt their humans?♥ 2source record 503
Jokes on me. $6k for my dog's first TPLO at 6 years old, then another $6k a year later for the second TPLO. He finished the 16 weeks of recovery, made it about 2 months and then got an extremely aggressive form of cancer and died (another ~$3k debacle to find out and deal with) within 2 days of us finding out. On top of all that, my wife's dog growing up got hit by a car the same day we found out our dog had cancer.♥ 2source record 504
My 2 year old rescue needed the same 10k double TPLO surgery. Didn’t have insurance. Thought it was a good investment as he had his whole life ahead of him. Then he got diagnosed with terminal cancer 3 years later. I miss him everyday.♥ 2source record 506
I reckon I’m at around 20k on my ONE black lab in the last 3 years.♥ 2source record 507
Y'all are literally nuts. She has those teams b/c she was born with a liver shunt that I paid to have repaired. She has minor cardiology issues so she has a cardio team so I can monitor it. Her breed is prone to pancreatitis - hence the nutrition team so I could learn how to prevent it. She dislocated her hip so had a surgery to put it back & fix it instead of doing something stupid like amputating the leg. It's called proactive & preventative care. I would hate to see how y'all would treat your kid if they were medically complex. Why do animals deserve any less in their level of care?♥ 2source record 521
10k for tplo. My dog had both done for 7k♥ 1source record 540
Two TPLO's for my golden pit mix in the last year, probably about 20k total. Stupidest money I've ever spent...and we'd figure out a way to pay for another one if he had a third knee.♥ 1source record 544
That is a very expensive TPLO surgery unless you got both done at once. I had both legs done for my girl and it was $11k with meniscus repairs. First one got done she healed, I threw the ball and she blew her other one out. 1.5 years of healing but she’s back to normal running like a cheetah again.♥ 1source record 549
I didn't get the insurance and my son made me pay out of pocket....♥ 1source record 550
Ahhh! Our Anatolian shepherd mix tore his knee ligaments and meniscus and had an $7k TPLO surgery literally two weeks after I had gotten my $8k work bonus and then he suddenly and unexpectedly died about a year later. Trauma!! For the whole family! 😭♥ 1source record 555
Same with our shep, on both knees!♥ 1source record 556
I can sadly play this game, but we lost. Near 40k on emergency treatment and radiation for a brain tumour. Spoiler alert: She had a stroke about 3 weeks after finishing radiation and we sadly had to let her go. Its kinda surreal how much the money is irrelevant cause she is gone. Id rather have a vet bill to pay to fix the problem than no dog. Also, please get insurance if you can - I didn't have any.♥ 1source record 563
Kinda weird to weigh the money aspect against the quality of life. They should always be treated separately. Dont get a dog if you dont have the financial means♥ 1source record 567
“Don’t get a dog if you don’t have the financial means” Yea dude some vet visits cost $10k+ So you should only get a dog if you have 10k+ cash sitting around ready to blow? How many people do you know with that?♥ 3source record 568
No it's not. Emergencies happen, not everyone has $1k or more saved up for possible vet bills. Just because someone has the means today doesn't mean they will always have in the future. Shit happens. Yes, in a perfect world money wouldn't be brought up at all in healthcare whatsoever, for humans and animals, but it's not.♥ 2source record 569
I grew up with dogs, so I felt comfortable getting one my senior year of college. I love him to death, he is now 8 and we have added another dog and 2 kids…. But man…. He’s run up at least $20K in vet bills over the years 😅 My husband and I have decided that we will go a few years dog free after the boys pass. But also…. They bring such an added level of protection…… a leaf can’t even come to the door without us knowing, any intruder would be fucked.♥ 2source record 581
So far we're down 12k for my Newf, ACL surgery and thyroid surgery (he had a cancer mass, thankfully they got it all).♥ 2source record 583
My mom and I had a trip to DC planned out when I was 10 (we live a 24 hour drive away), then our Pomeranian with Napoleon Syndrome decided to act up towards a bigger dog and got his lower jaw shattered. It's been 9 years and it has not changed him. It healed a little crooked so he now purposefully sticks it out further in that direction to get sympathy points and bacon.♥ 1source record 607
Yep! We had an Aussie we took to the vet and they suggested overnight. That tacked on a cool 2-3k to the bill. But I love my animals, and I wanted them to at least try. We came to visit the next day during my lunch break and he had not gotten better. He had to cross the rainbow bridge (it’s never easy), but I still had to pay that vet bill off for 2 years after he passed away.♥ 1source record 702
If someone charged you $2000-$3000 just to keep your dog overnight, they were scamming you!♥ 1source record 703
It was tests, but I should also also mentioned —this included the euthanasia, cremation, etc as well. But we do have a new vet, and this one is much better haha.♥ 1source record 704
Two ACL surgery’s on a 10+? YO dog here and a recent Lymphoma diagnosis in my youngest cat. Couldn’t agree more.♥ 1source record 708
I feel that. Paid just over 10k to get my 13 year old’s liver tumor removed. Now he’s 14 and healthier than ever.♥ 1source record 716
This. 8 year old GSD started lying down on walks and wet his bed, we could feel something in his abdomen like a bag of wet sand. X-ray, ultrasound and fine needle analysis suggested an issue with his spleen, his urine that day was like red wine. MRI found out his spleen was twisted and had to be removed. Start to finish was £9500. Either pay for insurance or have enough savings to cover a random £10k bill (he’s back to normal now)♥ 1source record 719
Spent 11k on my cat recently when he ate a bottle of my dogs apoquel. Just a heads up the chewable apoquel is toxic to cats and yet so alluring to them they will scale high shelves and break open prescription a prescription bottle that hasn’t even been opened yet to get to what’s inside. Not to mention skip on the easily accessible bag of beef jerky on the table to the med instead. He’s only 5 and the treatment was workin and he was in fact getting better he just needed more time on IV fluids. Days of being at a pet hospital on IV quickly racked up to 11k unfortunately♥ 1source record 720
Recused a cat for $50. Paid $5k for two night icu stay and blood transfusions. That’s not counting the year of steroids and 100 scratches. He’s a good baby though. But damn…..♥ 1source record 725
Worked at a pet emergency room and the one thing I’ve learned is if it has “Doodle” in the name your gonna end up here once or twice for “ingesting a foreign object”♥ 3source record 850
Yeah... Lost a kitty not too long ago. 15 yr old. Kidney failure, dude never acted like anything was wrong until the very end. By the time we knew, it was too late. That $1000 bill from the emergency overnight vet when you're going home without your cat is tough to swallow, and definitely makes you think twice about doing it again. Happy to pay it to ease his suffering, but holy *shit.*♥ 3source record 1494
I feel you. A couple of years before my dog passed away, she had a lump on her chest/neck removed. To send it away for testing costed us over $2000.... that didn't include the surgery, just the analysis of the lump. Then her heart disease progressed, that process was another 2-3000, and then euthanasia. I loved her dearly, but I won't put myself in that position again. I'm not a rich woman. My current cat was born with FIV. Always been an inside cat... then he was recently diagnosed with asthma. Thousands for testing, getting a cat used to an inhalation chamber (kill me), plus the steroids they use for treatment can cause diabetes... If that happens I dont know what I'll do. My pets have been lemons... *cries*♥ 3source record 1495
My parents bought a purebred German Shepherd from an extremely reputable breeder. Literally the best stock you can buy. Threw a toy for her to chase in our living room. A light toss, obviously. Damn dog is way too smart and attentive, anticipates me about to throw it, and stands up on both hind legs to try and catch it, full extension, almost as tall as me. She falls over backwards and literally snaps one of her legs in half. Im talking like stepping on a tree branch in the woods, 90 degree angle level snapped in half. Same sound and everything. Best stock you can buy. Dumb as rocks and nowhere near as sturdy.♥ 6source record 1921
This is valid. My last pet caused me to go in significant debt due to health issues, only to die two years later… In those few years, I had to plan my life around my pet and their medical needs. After that experience, I can’t bring myself to get another pet.♥ 3source record 1953
Yeah, my co worker has a dog and she is getting him eye surgery for $10k for each eye! Not to mention she’s been waking every 2 hours to put eye drops in his eyes. Then he needs to pee every 3-4 hours. And it’s supposedly her husband’s dog!! 🙄 HELL NO. Respectfully, I love dogs but it’s not in my budget- mental or financial.♥ 3source record 1964
Yeah so, you have a dog. I paid 500e for surgery on a rabbit, 2000e for the front right pat of a splitz and so on.... Yeah having a dog is some kind of a "responsibility*. But we don't deserve them, so... I'm sorry for doggo.♥ 2source record 2085
Truly unpopular. Bravo. Vet bills definitely suck, though. Thanks in part to private equity that--**surprise**--also sucks.♥ 2source record 2150
Humans still wnat to care for something. PE knows peopel will drop 10k on there dog wothout secind thought. That would ahve been considered rare 20 years ago for most peopel I decided against it when looking to adopt because most them by me needed lots of work or were future bite cases♥ 2source record 2469
Had a silky terrier for 15 years and he would probably be alive today if vets didn’t try to milk me in my hours of desperation instead of taking meaningful tests like Lyme disease. Saddest day is when I had to put him down (he was going to die on his own any day, it was to spare him from the constant pain and effects of extreme weight loss, inability to walk or poop/pee and just did it in place). Never owning a dog again. Life’s already hard♥ 1source record 2592
I absolutely adore my dog and wouldn’t trade him for the world but it’s as bad as having a child. In the past year between him and my now deceased senior dog, I had to spend more than I make a year on their health expenses. Younger needed IVDD surgery and rehab, while elder was having heart and kidney issues. Not to mention the constant companionship and anti anxiety meds younger needs as he’s always been a clinger and previously at least had a dog buddy to keep him company. I just cannot afford to take on getting him a new companion at the moment and it’s always a juggling act for everyone to be out of the house at once. He deserves a great life and all the love and attention we can give him but man it’s a lot of work.♥ 1source record 2607
I have 6 dogs. 4 of them live outside. They are working dogs so they are well trained to protect our property and livestock. They keep the mountain lions and other predators away. They are fantastic, hardly need us for anything, and are generally really easy to care for. That is, unless they get injured. Three days ago one of them got herself into a fight with a rattlesnake and the rattlesnake bit her on the nose. Got the dog to the ER vet right away. Dog survived and will make a full recovery but our bank account is holding on for dear life. It might not ever recover. Pray for me. The indoor dogs are part of our family and I love them dearly, but they are massive pains in the ass. The older one is 15 and can no longer hold in his piss or shit so I constantly have to clean up after him. He wears diapers but he likes to take it off and pee on the living room floor. The younger one is pretty much made of Velcro and attaches herself to me 24/7. It's real fun when you're trying to cook and constantly trip over her. A few years ago I tripped, hit my head on the cabinet and hurt my wrist really bad. Thankfully nothing was broken and I didn't need stitches, but it was a close call. Dodged an expensive medical bill with that one. I could go on and on with stories that will confirm your stance that dogs are horrible pets. But I still love them and can never see myself without them.♥ 1source record 2702
Vet bills are extremely expensive.♥ 1source record 2820
My current dog was recently diagnosed with IVDD. It’s costing me up the wazoo and I’m happy I can afford it but I never thought I’d have to deal with this condition because she’s not a dachshund. I used to tell people, get a dog! Now I lead with, if you don’t have the money to cover their health issues don’t do it. It’s unfair to the dog. I love my girl and I’m doing everything in my power to get her what she needs to get better but it’s not for everyone.♥ 1source record 2866
I just spent $16k to fence in my yard, because they can't go potty without running off, and the neighbor dog jumps their fence and fights with mine. Last year, the younger one of mine was running up and down the fence with the neighbor dog and snagged the gate handle on her side.....opened her up like a zipper. Volleyball sized hole that thankfully didn't get through the layer holding in her innards. The older one has severe knee arthritis....at 6yo. Big Pittie problems. Our oldest is 13, can barely see or hear, but when it's dinner time she lets you KNOW. Still wouldn't trade them for anyting.♥ 1source record 2978
The vet bills hat cost more than human doctor visits!!♥ 1source record 3014
My dad’s Great Dane has been in the ER three times in three weeks for eating rocks, so there’s that. I am so happy to only have cats.♥ 1source record 3029
First, yes. Annoying af sometimes and I’ve spent new car money keeping my dog healthy and happy. But he loves me more than anything, same from me to him. He has given me a lot and it is without a doubt everything he’s capable of giving. I’m going to do it again even though I hate certain parts. It is a small child level of commitment but they talk back less so there’s that.♥ 1source record 3032
I feel seen. I have never owned dogs until I got together with my now husband. That was 7 years ago. We got a chocolate lab and a year later rescued another dog. I love them so much and I am thankful they’re mine but Holly shit. The chocolate lab started limping when he was 3, we have to get him knee surgery ($6,000USD). 6 months later we had to do the other knee. FML. The $ is not just the surgery, it’s also the labs, medications, vet visits, taking time off, etc. Then we were like “okay, at least the rescue is a mix and we know she will be healthy for a long time”. NOPE. she turned 5 and started losing weight dramatically, having crazy stomach issues. It took us 9 months to figure out her pancreas doesn’t make the necessary enzymes to digest food, she was a skeleton and her personality changed so much. It was painful to witness. The fix? Adding cow or pig pancreas to her food, wet it, wait 30 minutes, then feed it to her. I cannot begin to comprehend the amount of money we have spent on them and the amount of anxiety I have from having dogs with these health issues. Can we also talk about how you will never have a clean house ever again if you have dogs? Love my pups but these are the first and last dogs I’ll ever have.♥ 1source record 3073
£4500 on an op to remove the pancreas (cancer). He died 3 weeks later 😭😭♥ 1source record 3315
Yeah… just had to pay around $4k to get my dog’s eye removed after they got sudden acute glaucoma… the vet said it just happens to some dogs… worth it. He’s an amazing one-eyed beast! Follow up: why did the dog have to go to the vet after eating a slug?♥ 1source record 3482
If you want a dog and you cannot take the time to play or train it you do not want a dog. They are animals with needs and that includes fun and exercise. I agree with you that dogs can be a pain. I won the cancer lottery as my last two dogs got a rare form of lymphoma before the age of 5. $10k later I learned my lesson to teach my dogs to drop everything and I will give them a treat and also to have pet insurance. Every breed has its own pain in the ass tendencies and let me tell you my weiner dog eats everything, my beagle barked at everything, and my bloodhound wants to kill everything... not fun but I love them like my children and that is what I signed up for.♥ 1source record 3496
The veterinarian costs have skyrocketed in recent years. I know of one dog owner that now refuses to get her dogs vaccinated and/or health checkups.♥ 1source record 3530
I love my dog dearly and wouldn't trade her for anything, but she's recently had a lot of health issues that has cost me upwards of 7000 dollars in vet bills just this year. Her bladder was full of stones that required surgery to remove, during the surgery they found one embedded in the lining of her bladder so they had to resect it, making her bladder smaller. Then she needed emergency surgery just 2 days later because she nearly went septic and almost died from that. They had to resect MORE of her bladder during that surgery because the initial incision was infected, so now her bladder is about half the size it was so she has accidents in the house if she's left for longer than a few hours. THEN she couldn't keep any food down, we still aren't 100% sure what it is but she mow takes pills every 6 hours and can only eat food that's been soaked in water, then blended up and mixed with more water so that it's basically just liquid. And because she is on a liquid diet and her bladder is now smaller, well you do the math. If she eats ANY solid food she vomits all over the house so nothing can be left in her vicinity even for a couple minutes, she's even got at bread on the counter in a bag. I love her so much and I'm doing everything I can to take care of her but I am EXHAUSTED from suddenly ending up with a pet with several special medical needs.♥ 1source record 3652
Kind of going off of what you said but I got a dog that had serious health issues from the first week. He survived but then had health issues as a result for the next 6 months. After that he had another serious health scare and another 5 day hospitalization but survived. He was then going to treatment for this for the next year. For me my dog ended up being a burden but I take care of him the best I can since its not his fault and it wasn't his choice. Having a "special" dog is serious responsibility. My dog cannot be taken care of by family or friends, so we can't go on any vacations or trips anymore. Because of his brain development issues he doesn't play outside and isn't social with other dogs, so there isn't much you can do with him. When I got a dog, I was assuming I had a dog to run/hike/play fetch with, but instead I got a dog that I pretty much just care for. I realize now this was always a possibility when getting a dog, so I should not have gotten one in the first place, and I doubt I will get another dog again.♥ 1source record 3685
Paid 15k for my schnauzer at almost 15 to have procedures done along with daily medications and he lived comfortably and happily until 17 1/2 and didn’t fall apart until the end. Without it he would have fell apart right at 15. Sometimes it’s more about actually being best friends/ companions with your animals then treating them as a burden when stuff gets tough. Like having children you wanted them, you thought it would be “cool, fun” when its a lot more simple then that. If you’re just going to complain about the money side of it well then it shows your priorities aren’t straight, and haven’t taken time to get pet insurance (even if it doesn’t always work out) it helps. Yall are weird♥ 1source record 3715
Just wait until your dog jumps up onto the fridge and eats almost two full bottles of ibprofen on your BIRTHDAY while you are at your birthday dinner and come home to a violently ill dog and have to rush him to the emergency vet an hour away to take him to another one another hour away bc they needed to transfer him, then wait days while he's in the animal hospital for him to then have explosive diarrhea and needing out every hour bc of the medicines he on, and making a specialnmeal plan to get his medicines at the right time. and then he heals just fine somehow. also, not to mention p, this dog previously got his stomach pumped for eating plant fertilizer, and got hmself run over, and eaten countless other awful things, yet somehow hes fine? also, hes two.♥ 1source record 3786
I’ve spent $6000 on 2 CCL surgeries and mast cell removals over the last 1.5 years. And we have insurance. Between the cost of ownership, having to find someone to watch them when you’re gone, random expensive vet bills, grooming, etc…It’s always something. They’re a money pit. At least kids grow and can do more over the years. A dog is like a permanent toddler.♥ 1source record 3861
I'm glad you posted this. Sometimes I think about getting a dog. Those very bills are insane.♥ 1source record 3954
I feel you on that second point. My childhood dog had a habit of eating things he wasn't supposed to and had to be put down when the sock he ate clogged up his digestive track♥ 1source record 4036
We got a second dog last year (7 and a half years old) that needed a new home. He had several health problems and I knew that he wouldn’t be cheap. He got his spleen removed in December and it cost me around 2000 euros plus the following costs for check-ups. And? I still do not regret that we adopted him one bit. I had more regrets about my leased car than the dog. But to each its own I guess?♥ 1source record 4117
Yep. I love dogs - had two at once since 1991. COSTLY. Holy hell it’s just gotten so much worse. Both of my last dogs had health issues after the age of 9. The one developed cirrhosis and the vets said he had a good chance to recover. $10,000.00 later….and he didn’t make it. The other developed thyroid issues and then Cushings. Daily meds and frequent testing was exhausting. I decided not only could I no longer afford a dog but I was ‘over’ the maintenance and the emotional toil of having to euthanize. I now can save money and I’m free from all of the responsibility. I miss both of them dearly but I miss Teddy the most. He was cheeky, fun loving and liked people and other dogs. I only had him for 10 years and his last year was brutal. I don’t have any desire for another dog. I totally understand what you are explaining.♥ 1source record 4124
Yeah… I love our recently late pet, but he was a nightmare to take care of. He had chronic skin infections from allergies ($700+ a month in vet expenses) he had two obstruction surgeries, and many trips to the vet to pay to make him vomit up miscellaneous things, we never went on vacation because his needs were so high. He also got lymphoma and his chemotherapy treatments were around 7k. He had pancreatitis that he had to be hospitalized for, seizures, and he was constantly on some sort of antibiotic and steroid. Oh and you also had to bathe him twice a week. I love him and for me he was worth it but I will never do that again♥ 1source record 4128
Dogs will eat anything to the point of killing themselves 🥲 I've seen it happen♥ 1source record 4168
Also, every vet visit is $500 minimum. And your house smells and has lots of extra hair.♥ 0source record 4175
I swear my dog is actively trying to kill himself. We no longer allow him in the yard unsupervised because of all the crazy things he's eaten. And when we play fetch, he runs into everything. But he's well loved and has a happy home. I just am constantly amazed by how stupid he is.♥ 1source record 4264
Yea owning a dog is hard. I have two. One is 10 years old and the other is 11 years. My 10 year old in the last 8 months has cost me over 10k, and us going to cost me another 5k in the next couple of months. The 10 year old is also on a specialized diet that cost 156/month. My 11 year old dog so far has been ok except for a monthly script I have to pick up that costs 100. Of course this doesn't include their regular annual visits either. They were nice and easy when they were younger, but most people don't think about when they get older. I know I didn't. I also watch my dogs like a hawk in the yard so they avoid ingesting things that they shouldn't, and when I say i watch them like a hawk, I mean I walk right next to them or behind them. Sounds crazy, but it has worked so far and they have not ingested anything in the 11 years I've had them. At the end of the day, I don't regret getting 1 dog and I don't regret getting a second dog because they have provided me with experiences and feelings that I can't even put into words.♥ 1source record 4325
I said I’ll never own a dog ever again for as long as I live. My boy is almost 8 and in the past 6-8 months he’s been to the vet at LEAST 5 times. Multiple rounds of antibiotics because of pancreas issues, allergy meds and antibiotics TWICE for skin issues, prescription dog food you can only get with vet approval because he got pancreatitis really bad a couple months ago and now has to be on an extremely low fat diet. And just a week ago I had to take my cat in for an upper respiratory infection so she’s currently on antibiotics. Love my animals to death but omg. Not to mention my dog smells like a fresh bag of Fritos 24/7 NEVER AGAIN♥ 1source record 4406
I have two cats and a dog. I’ve spent $10,000 on the dog in ACL surgery’s and I just got a diagnosis my youngest cat has lymphoma, and we haven’t even started treatment yet. I love them so much but at 32, I don’t know if I can do this again once they’re gone.♥ 1source record 4559
Yeaaaaa… well the first time was our negligent neighbor’s dog getting out of his property and onto ours. And the second time the puppy had parvo straight from the pound we rescued her from. So maybe don’t be so quick to blame 🤷🏼‍♂️ It cost me $5000 the first time and $2000 the second time. Both dogs survived. I just wish I could have put that $7k into my children and not an animal.♥ 1source record 4658
Just pray your dog never needs surgery♥ 1source record 4700
Vet clinics have been bought up by insurance companies across N America. I used to live on a farm, always had dogs, and the dogs were always well cared for. Of course they needed to go see the vets for standard stuff as well as accidents, and I recall a vet visit cost me $13/visit + treatment. This is about 40 yrs ago. Today, a visit costs several hundred dollars just to see a vet, forget about treatment costs. So,, the only option is insurance. When the dog/cat is young and healthy, insurance is cheap. And it goes up from there. Once you get to a double digit age, insurance costs are crippling. Insurance is a scam, and it's only going to get worse. Gov't needs to crack down on insurance companies. They never should be a for profit business, since they are a necessity. Likewise, insurance fraudsters should be treated harshly, since they cost all of us our premiums - and give the insurance companies the logic to jack up rates. The case in the US - Luigi/UNH - has garnered allot of support for good reason. You pay for insurance, and on the rare occasion you need to make a legit claim, they find every reason to not pay/cover you. Then you look at the corporate bonuses based on stock price, based on profit margins, and it makes your blood boil. I'll always have pets. They are good for your soul. But that should not break your back financially either.♥ 1source record 4716
I love my dog, but I hard agree. I inherited my dog (and a previous dog who passed away not long ago) from my mother. Both well-behaved, but one had behavioral issues around other dogs and was allergic to chicken protein. He passed away from brain cancer, and it cost several thousand pounds in vet visits and treatment before I was forced to put him down. Now, my remaining dog is elderly, has barely any teeth, and she has pancreatitis, so she's on a low-fat diet and needs her food softened. She's also had severe allergic reactions following immunization jabs on three occasions before the vet advised not to try again, so she's now unvaccinated. Other than that, she's pretty easy to look after. But I'm tied to my house. I live alone, and she can't be left all day if I'm at work or have to travel. And because she can't be vaccinated, I can't leave her in a kennel; I have to get a dog sitter, and it's costly. I love dogs, but I wouldn't get another once my girl's gone. I've lost a lot of freedom from having her and im living pay to pay due to the increased expense of paying dog sitters when i have to go to the office or work away♥ 1source record 4733
Yea I agree. Happy my kids like her cuz I could’ve passed. And the vet keeps trying to upsell unnecessary treatments. Super annoying.♥ 1source record 4848
This is so true. And you didn't even mention the insane vet bills and how having a dog makes it so expensive to go any where because you need someone to look after the dog. Granted I am not a dog person, and I have children, but I honestly feel like this whole dog craze that has completely engulfed the U.S. is a combination of some kind of mass psychosis and a way to relieve people if their money♥ 1source record 4868
20k in so far on autoimmune encephalitis for our 2 yr old boy. Brutal. But he’s worth every penny.♥ 1source record 4966

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Pet insurance: who said it paid for itself, and who did the maths against it51 index entriesThe thread's one real practical debate, argued in premiums, deductibles, annual caps and denied claims.
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51 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Deciding whether to insure a dog or self-insure with savings

Why readers chose it: 51 records, and this is the only genuinely two-sided practical argument in the corpus. The case for is made in payouts: one policy reported as having paid out over $70,000, another covering $7,500 of surgery against $600 a year of premiums, another covering 75% of a ligament repair. The case against is made in arithmetic and in denials: premiums quoted from $30 a month up to $83, rising to $80–$90 by age five and to over £200 a month in one country; annual caps of $5,000 and $15,000 that ran out mid-year; and the pre-existing-condition exclusion several commenters say caught them when they insured a dog that already had a note in its file. Named insurers appear on both sides. The one thing the card agrees on is timing — insure before anything is on the record, or the maths stops working.

What readers reported: Did the math and realized I was going to likely be burning money by getting pet insurance but never wanted to deal with the mental gymnastics of deciding between treatment and saving money.

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Lol we had a 2 year old terrier mix who slipped on our hardwood and broke her leg and needed surgery. That was fun.

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So there's 2 things that go in in this case. The first I see often is people not following through with clean medical records, or getting insurance after a documented issue. Both will get you denied. I saw a lot of threads of people just not understanding the coverage they paid for and then complaining when they got denied. The second is just like you said, it does happen, unfortunately. They are companies and I'm sure every one of them has done something similar to get out of what they owe. I live in NY, there's a lot of protections for insured parties here. I've never had to have the state step in per se, but that also doesn't mean the looming possibility isn't keeping insurers in line. YMMV depending on where you live and who your insurer is. All we can do is follow the rules of the plan, cross your T's dot your I's, and hope for the best. Fetch has been great to me fwiw. If I have questions I call, I get a person on the phone, it's been better than my actual health insurance through my job LOL

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Jokes on you, my 3.5 year old shepherd mix needed TPLO surgery, $10k+ later... (Pet insurance was a life saver, highly recommend!)

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I’ve had both ASPCA and MetLife and I’ve just had to upload receipts and a SOAP note provided by the vet. Literally never had a problem being reimbursed by either, and one of them covers (at 80%) my dogs prescription food. Again I just upload a receipt

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Pet insurance! I got it for my husbands dog when he was 9 and had no prior issues. I was like he is only getting older. Best thing I ever did lol.

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Jokes on you, my 3.5 year old shepherd mix needed TPLO surgery, $10k+ later... (Pet insurance was a life saver, highly recommend!)♥ 270source record 2
Pet insurance usually requires you to pay out of pocket and then beg for reimbursement. They often end up not reimbursing for one reason or another. They face far less risk of being sued for this type of thing since an individual would be suing them vs a hospital who likely have lawyers on standby. They also start hiking rates like crazy after age 4-5. Just fyi I know a lot of people who have had really bad experiences with it.♥ 2source record 495
I use Fetch and my experience has been great overall, but I do live in NY which has a lot of protections for the insured party. YMMV.♥ 2source record 498
Fetch, they've been great in NY but NY has good protections for the insured party♥ 2source record 500
Pet insurance is so damn worth it. It’s relatively cheap too, saves a lot of money in the long run.♥ 2source record 505
HIGHLY recommend pet insurance. My dog has already had >20k in surgeries & medical stuff and she's only 10 (small breed). She has a cardiologist, nutritionist, soft tissue , internal med, and orthopedic team (plus a regular vet).♥ 2source record 516
Omg pet insurance is a must. Idk where I’d be without it!♥ 1source record 529
Dunno, we're 12k out on my Newf and would have spent way more in insurance for him and my other dog so far. They're 9.♥ 1source record 530
I use a company called Fetch, they've been super easy to work with. I do live in NY which does a lot for protecting insured parties so YMMV depending on location. I have not had a single disagreement with Fetch and they've always held up their end.♥ 2source record 533
My dog just had a 13thousand dollar surgery and thousands in rehab last year. People will shit on insurance, but theyll be the first to cry when they had to make emotional decisions because money. My insurance has increased, but ill never pay more than theyve already reimbursed me. 😅♥ 1source record 534
I believe your story but with all the shiesty business practices of insurance companies it's hard for me to believe payout would be straightforward or easy. What's to stop pet insurance from malicious denials?♥ 1source record 535
My 6 month old German shepherd cost me £9500 no insurance, looked into insurance after £200 plus a month. Cut to last month, about 4.5 years old now, £1758 to remove 2 lumps so insurance would have cost me more than that for nothing. I love my dog, but I will not be getting another.♥ 1source record 538
I have pet insurance on my 3 yo poodle. However she is the most cautious and unadventurous dog. She only wants to be inside playing with her toys. If she had it her way she’d never leave. Two years I’ve had pet insurance and she only met $150 of the deductible one year for an ear infection. I’m starting to think it’s unnecessary. I think caring for my two aging dogs I had before her led me to that decision.♥ 1source record 539
That's outrageous! Mine was $50/mo, and then $90/mo at our renewal after she was 3. It does go up with age.♥ 2source record 542
Seconded for insurance! TPLO, autoimmune problem with monthly labs for a year, and mast cell surgery. Insurance has paid for itself a hundred times over.♥ 1source record 543
My pet insurance sky rocketed to $80 a month when she hit 5. How high will it be when she is 10?!♥ 1source record 545
Did the math and realized I was going to likely be burning money by getting pet insurance but never wanted to deal with the mental gymnastics of deciding between treatment and saving money.♥ 1source record 546
Same here. 3.5 year old pittie needed double TPLO surgeries ands had a torn meniscus. Thankful for insurance!♥ 1source record 553
\*The right pet insurance. A lot of them don’t even cover basic things anymore.♥ 1source record 554
$9/month pet insurance would have paid for that, FFS!😳♥ 2source record 580
this is why i recommend pet insurance to anyone who gets a puppy... especially if your the kind of bleeding heart that gets a puppy from craigslist or a shelter instead of making sure that you went to a breeder that does a bunch of medical screening to ensure the parents at least don't have any expensive congenital issues they will be passing on...♥ 2source record 584
1 – Why would I want to be away from my little furbaby overnight, much less for a week or two in a row?! I can’t sleep without her! She and I have stayed at plenty of hotels together, and she flies a whole lot better than I do! She just sleeps on my lap while I vomit constantly! 2 – That’s exactly what pet health insurance is for! It’s very cheap!♥ 2source record 587
I have emergency pet care so I never have to choose♥ 1source record 608
Pet insurance is such a savior (if you can afford it). Our insurance has already paid out over $70k for our dog’s surgeries and cancer treatments. It’s so sad listening to owners in the waiting room make hard decisions because they don’t have insurance :(♥ 1source record 609
I use Fetch but I am also in NY which has a lot of insurance protections for the insured party. So YMMV based on where you live. My experience with Fetch has been nothing but positive and I have not needed or seen NYS have to step in any part of the way. Every time I call, I get a person who is cheerful and walks me through whatever I need help with. They want a clean bill of health and a probationary period to ensure there are no preexisting conditions. Once you are past that, you simply submit your invoice through the app and a week or two later get reimbursed. It's been very easy.♥ 1source record 632
I started immediately as a puppy, mainly because they want a clean bill of health and there's a probationary period, but also because I lost a very young dog once before and didn't want to ever have to choose between money or my dog. Her CCL tore due to injury, so insurance was a life saver, they covered 75% of it. You never know what might happen, and for $50/mo and peace of mind it was worth it for me. The cost of covering vet visits and vaccinations was more than just paying outright for that stuff, so she's covered for injuries, diseases, cancer, the emergencies.♥ 1source record 633
Laws are different in different states and what would be covered or not, but I've spent $600/yr on my dog's insurance for the first 2 years and they covered $7500 of our surgery. Even with the rate increase as she ages ($50-90/mo), it will still take nearly 6 more years before I pay that back. If any other major medical issue comes up, we're covered and I'm still in the black. Not to be rude, but I have a hard time believing that, but again, things are different in different states. I don't know if you actually shopped around or took one quote at face value. There's too much ambiguity in your statement to justify or reject it, so I can only speak to my own experience.♥ 1source record 634
Depends on the dog. The best deal I found for my 13 month rescue Newf was $83 a month and they only covered 80%. Even if my other dog was $50 a month, that's $5400 we would have wasted on her so far. Some have a $5000 cap a year or something too, which is laughable. The Newf... $8000 for $83 a month, and we would have had to pay $2400 on the surgeries. But obviously it wouldn't have stayed at $83 so we would still have paid more in premiums. Oh and we had a dog who lived to 16 before that. Never had any surgery on him. That's $11k or more we would have just thrown away if we had had insurance. In your case yeah, worth it. In most cases? You're better off putting that money aside every month. Insurance companies do make money, after all.♥ 2source record 635
Yeah I know, I have insurance lol, it depends on state but in NY there's a lot of protections for the insured party, so YMMV.♥ 1source record 636
So there's 2 things that go in in this case. The first I see often is people not following through with clean medical records, or getting insurance after a documented issue. Both will get you denied. I saw a lot of threads of people just not understanding the coverage they paid for and then complaining when they got denied. The second is just like you said, it does happen, unfortunately. They are companies and I'm sure every one of them has done something similar to get out of what they owe. I live in NY, there's a lot of protections for insured parties here. I've never had to have the state step in per se, but that also doesn't mean the looming possibility isn't keeping insurers in line. YMMV depending on where you live and who your insurer is. All we can do is follow the rules of the plan, cross your T's dot your I's, and hope for the best. Fetch has been great to me fwiw. If I have questions I call, I get a person on the phone, it's been better than my actual health insurance through my job LOL♥ 1source record 638
I use a company called Fetch, they've been super easy to work with. I do live in NY which does a lot for protecting insured parties so YMMV depending on location. I have not had a single disagreement with Fetch and they've always held up their end.♥ 1source record 639
Everyone's case is different, that is a LOT for insurance. I live in the US, NY specifically, and my rates are considerably lower. I am not familiar with how these things work in other countries. To remove 2 lumps here would be probably $10,000, so insurance pays for itself. I agree if the out of pocket cost is low regardless it makes less sense. For example, to cover vet visits and vaccines it's was something like an additional $150/mo, but out of pocket it only costs about $300 a year. It doesn't make sense to have my insurance cover those visits. Our insurance is just for emergencies, disease, cancer, injury, etc.♥ 1source record 640
It’s best to get it ASAP. I mostly adopt older dogs and we skip it because we can afford to self-insure and it’s a lot less cost effective when you start with an older dog who might start with baseline health stuff.♥ 1source record 642
Depends where you go, location, etc. We went to a top surgeon in NY and paid for it. Insurance covered so much of it that it was worth it to me.♥ 1source record 643
I use Pumpkin.. just for options. Its been great. They pay for 90% of any emergency vet care/visit. My puppy developed a sudden cataract and had to get it removed and have a lens replacement. like. A 10k bill turned into a much more manageable 1000. Ill never not have dog insurance. Its already basically paid for itself for his entire life♥ 1source record 644
i use Pumpkin and have had nothing but a great experience and they have never denied a claim in the 3 years ive used them. I havent ever had to even talk to an actual person to fight for something getting paid. Its always just been paid.♥ 1source record 645
i started my plan before I even had him in my hands at his first puppy checkup and clean bill of health. You could still do it now but def best to get it when they have absolutely nothing wrong so you are fully covered♥ 1source record 646
We live in NY where everything is expensive, and we went to a top surgeon here to have it done. I was well aware the surgery was cheaper elsewhere but since insurance covered 75% of it I decided it was worth the money.♥ 1source record 649
I’ve had both ASPCA and MetLife and I’ve just had to upload receipts and a SOAP note provided by the vet. Literally never had a problem being reimbursed by either, and one of them covers (at 80%) my dogs prescription food. Again I just upload a receipt♥ 1source record 651
Yeh hence why I didn’t get it. Bulldogs are so pricey.♥ 1source record 653
Yep this is why I pay like $80/mo for trupanion insurance. I was considering cancelling and moving the money to a savings account instead as a pet emergency fund, but this week alone my 3 y/o healthy cockapoo decided to eat something somewhere and is now 2 weeks into a month long antibiotic treatment plan, gastrointestinal speciality diet foods and round 1 of tests for giardia, etc. she still hasn’t recovered, vet bills already excess of $1k+ but at least now in the future any follow-up visits or repeats of the same incident no longer have a deductible so I’m only gonna have to copay about 23% (ins. Doesn’t cover 13% tax and 10% copay) Have had to rush her to the er vet twice so far, I estimate it costs like 2-3k annually with a healthy dog to be a pet owner. Add in a 3rd party walker/sitter or month long boarding when on vacations and you’re easily exceeding 5k.♥ 1source record 711
Pet insurance! I got it for my husbands dog when he was 9 and had no prior issues. I was like he is only getting older. Best thing I ever did lol.♥ 1source record 715
yepopo my dogs needs surgery now, we JUST stopped our pet insurance after 7 years because the premiums were insane and we ‘thought’ we were over the risky years… Yahhhh will be 10-20k 🥹♥ 1source record 722
Your numbers are not adding up, $83/mo is less than $1200 a year, add another dog at $50 a month that's an additional $600 a year, so for brevity sake, $1800 a year. Covering 80% of a $10,000 surgery would be $8,000. That means to cover what they would've spent on that operation would mean you'd have to stay with them for almost 5 years before you paid back that $8k, you'd be ahead. Any other thing comes up for a few grand and you've covered years to come. Sure, saving that money every month is great, but plenty of other emergencies come up that get paid for from the same fund. The math here just isn't working out, that or I'm not understanding where you're getting these numbers from. The point isn't that you did or did not need it, it's peace of mind that IF I need it, I am covered. Having a dog live to 16 without a single operation is highly unlikely, and purely anecdotal, the vast majority of dog owners will deal with surgery or some procedure at some point in the dog's life. I'm glad that you and your dog didn't have to deal with that, but if at 8 they needed a $15,000 operation, and the choice is between money or treating the dog, a dog that otherwise would've lived a long and healthy life, it's absolutely worth paying the insurance to not have to make that call.♥ 1source record 749
This is what pet insurance is for. Dogs are expensive, for sure, but pet insurance is a godsend in terms or surprise expenses. The plan my dogs have pay 90% of vet bills after a $500 deductible with no limit per year. Costs about 30-50 a month depending on the dog.♥ 3source record 1490
Premiums go up, a lot of vets won't direct bill insurance companies, they can turn you away with the term "pre-existing condition". The option I've decided on is: no pets that require veterinary care.♥ 2source record 1491
Insurance should take most of the burden for that, my last dog had arthritis that got progressively worse over 4 years and he ended up needing surgeries and a lot of meds, I worked out that the insurance paid out about £25k over the course of his life and I only paid about 10% of that. If he hadn't been insured it would've been a very different situation.♥ 2source record 1496
Wait until your dog exhausts its pet insurance for the year—it's 5 months in, with $15,000 cap reached, and you still need to cover the rest. This includes specialists, ultrasounds, dermatologists, internal medicine, and massive amounts of medication costing $300 for 13 tablets-he needed a year's supply🫣😫😫. And this is just for one dog; I have two more 😂😂😭😭😭😭😭😭.♥ 1source record 3892
Get pet insurance. Just saying. Learned the hard way. Very good idea to insure your pet.♥ 1source record 4470
I’m so confused. Do you all not buy pet insurance for your dog? It pays for itself. I have a $500/deductible for the year and it covers 90% (healthypaws). Dog had bladder stone surgery in Feb. cost $9k, paid $1k. You protect your car. Protect your animal. If you can’t afford a dog don’t get one. Same goes for any animal.♥ 1source record 4630
GET PET INSURANCE!♥ 1source record 4643

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When the bill turns into a decision about when to stop50 index entriesThe reply that says the quiet part, and the long argument underneath it about where each commenter set their own limit.
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Situation: An expensive treatment is offered for an old or seriously ill dog and the owner has to decide whether to take it

Why readers chose it: 50 records, and the card exists because one comment said the quiet part out loud and was upvoted for it rather than buried. The line commenters draw is first stated in money — over $4,000, anything approaching a mortgage payment, the cost of replacing the dog — and then immediately re-argued as a quality-of-life question instead. A veterinary technician supplies the rule the card keeps returning to, that it is better to be a week early than a day late. The dissent is just as specific: one commenter enrolled a dog in a chemotherapy clinical trial and reports no regrets; another describes a cat kept alive to twenty-five on spoon-fed food and calls it cruelty. Several say the hardest part was not the money at all but a veterinary team that never raised quality of life with them.

What readers reported: I'll get downvoted to hell for this but.... If an elderly dog is going to cost thousands to keep alive just long enough for the next $1k+ vet bill, it's time to say goodbye.

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Nah, no downvote. That's compassion. No animal in its elder years should have to suffer surgery after surgery and all that pain just because an owner doesn't want to grieve. We had a cat that my father found as a kitten when I was 3. My father passed away when I was 4. That cat lived to 25 years old because my mother just would not let it go. It was on a regimen of medications, special food that needed to be spoon fed because he couldn't walk to the food dish. Every hour she moved him around and fed him eyedroppers of distilled water. She had to rub ointments into his skin, paws, nose because his skin was so delicate it would just tear and bleed if it got dry. He was on dialysis treatments because his little kidneys didn't work. Eventally he would just turn his head towards you with his blind clouded bulging eyes and his little meow that was just air, you could see he was begging to be let go. The vet refused to continue dialysis treatment citing that it is only meant to be used while kidneys heal on a cat. His kidneys were not going heal. She tried to find another vet that would continue without success, and Ned was finally allowed to pass. At a certain point, medical treatment becomes cruelty.

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Couldn’t agree more. Not only it’s a financial strain for you that might not even pay off but it also sucks for the dog. Vet visits and treatment is stressful on top of the pain you’re already feeling. It’s just not worth it, and while it comes from a good place, this too is a kind of greed.

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Nope, I love my 2 goldens, but the threshold for vet bills is the cost to get a new dog. And yes owning dogs sucks because its basically another child you have to house, feed and care for.

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No, you’re right. I grew up fairly rural so maybe my relationship to animals is different. We had a lot of outside cats around. When one got really sick and old… it was time to take them in to be euthanized. Otherwise they’d eventually just go off and hide and die on their own in pain. I have a buddy who had a gigantic golden retriever. Probably 140 pound dog. Its leg randomly broke at like age 8. He paid thousands and thousands of dollars to fix the leg and the dog was in pain for months and months recovering with pins in its leg. Couldn’t ever walk right really again. Should have amputated but he didn’t want to. As if the dog would have cared if he had 3 legs. A year later they find out the dog has cancer and that’s what caused the bone break. So now the leg is broken again but it’s bone cancer. So they amputate. The dog is miserable and in pain for another year hobbling around with 3 legs and sitting on the couch and whining and crying all day waiting for him to get home from work so he can give him more pain meds. Finally the dog is so bad that his vet basically says “it’s time dude what are you doing” and he relents and lets the dog go. Not sure what he spent. I’d guess well north of 20,000 dollars. Maybe even north of 30k. Years of torturing his “best buddy” because he couldn’t process losing a pet. I think he reacted more poorly to his dog dying than I did either of my grandparents. But maybe I grew up in a very morbid house where people talked about death a lot and made it clear how they felt about it.

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You are getting my upvote that's for sure. I've grown up with dogs and "my" dog I grew up closest too was kept alive just like that... looking back at it it fucking hurts, never again. I totally agree with you. I love my dog a lot! But he is still just a dog. I will play with him every day, feed him, exercise him and give him everything he needs. But when he gets too old or his health gets too bad it's time for us to say goodbye. I've been through it tho, so I know how it feels and I know it's coming.

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I just got a bonus at work and like the next week of course the car broke and my dog got a bad ear infection. That came back so needed a 2nd round of treatment. Wiped out that bonus

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It sucks, but you're right. If someone has the money, then sure, absolutely do what you can to help them, *but* there also comes a time when people have to consider the dog's quality of life over everything else. As awful as it is, letting go too soon is going to be far better for them than them suffering for nothing but their person's benefit (and unfortunately I see that happen all too often)

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We just spent 8 on my cat. I found him unresponsive on the floor, then as he got worse I had to have a tough conversation with my husband about where to draw the line because that was absolutely all of our savings, and we have a baby coming and our bills are only getting higher. He kept treating the cat. Thank God he lived, but now we're fucked and I'm a little resentful.

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Those are easy ones. Wait until you want to go in a vacation, or for your logical brain to meet your emotional brain when the dog needs $10,000 in treatment at 10 years old.

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Here’s the unpopular opinion. I love dogs all kinds. I loved my dogs very much. But if it’s over 4000 it’s getting put down.

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Those are easy ones. Wait until you want to go in a vacation, or for your logical brain to meet your emotional brain when the dog needs $10,000 in treatment at 10 years old.♥ 1,468source record 1
We just spent 8 on my cat. I found him unresponsive on the floor, then as he got worse I had to have a tough conversation with my husband about where to draw the line because that was absolutely all of our savings, and we have a baby coming and our bills are only getting higher. He kept treating the cat. Thank God he lived, but now we're fucked and I'm a little resentful.♥ 7source record 14
I'll get downvoted to hell for this but.... If an elderly dog is going to cost thousands to keep alive just long enough for the next $1k+ vet bill, it's time to say goodbye.♥ 148source record 15
It sucks, but you're right. If someone has the money, then sure, absolutely do what you can to help them, *but* there also comes a time when people have to consider the dog's quality of life over everything else. As awful as it is, letting go too soon is going to be far better for them than them suffering for nothing but their person's benefit (and unfortunately I see that happen all too often)♥ 40source record 16
As a veterinary technician I saw every version of this. The best advice I ever heard regarding knowing if it's time to let them go: "Better a week early, than a day late." I personally have experienced both sides of this with my own pets over the years and couldn't agree more.♥ 5source record 20
yea, man, quality of life > length of life♥ 4source record 25
I think that's the point they were making with the 10-year old dog and the big bill. Your heart says pay for it, your brain says maybe it's time to let them go.♥ 4source record 27
No, you’re right. I grew up fairly rural so maybe my relationship to animals is different. We had a lot of outside cats around. When one got really sick and old… it was time to take them in to be euthanized. Otherwise they’d eventually just go off and hide and die on their own in pain. I have a buddy who had a gigantic golden retriever. Probably 140 pound dog. Its leg randomly broke at like age 8. He paid thousands and thousands of dollars to fix the leg and the dog was in pain for months and months recovering with pins in its leg. Couldn’t ever walk right really again. Should have amputated but he didn’t want to. As if the dog would have cared if he had 3 legs. A year later they find out the dog has cancer and that’s what caused the bone break. So now the leg is broken again but it’s bone cancer. So they amputate. The dog is miserable and in pain for another year hobbling around with 3 legs and sitting on the couch and whining and crying all day waiting for him to get home from work so he can give him more pain meds. Finally the dog is so bad that his vet basically says “it’s time dude what are you doing” and he relents and lets the dog go. Not sure what he spent. I’d guess well north of 20,000 dollars. Maybe even north of 30k. Years of torturing his “best buddy” because he couldn’t process losing a pet. I think he reacted more poorly to his dog dying than I did either of my grandparents. But maybe I grew up in a very morbid house where people talked about death a lot and made it clear how they felt about it.♥ 5source record 28
Agree. We just put down our pug due to cancer diagnosis. The vet was pushing us to drive to another state to see a cancer specialist. Our pug was already blind and having trouble getting up/walking, but he wanted me to put him through chemo. Found a new vet right away and let the poor boy go. There was no way I was putting him through chemo, even if it was free.♥ 3source record 487
My GSD developed hemangiosarcoma several years ago when he was 10. He was otherwise healthy and happy. Eating, playing with the other pups. I went the „do everything I can“ route and enrolled in a clinical trial in NYC after a splenectomy. The trial paired chemo with another drug. YMMV, but absolutely no regrets. The trial was partially funded, so I got a big break on the cost of treatment (was still several $k) He tolerated the chemo very well and enjoyed the 5 hour rides into Manhattan. I knew at the start he wasn‘t going to make it, and even with treatment, he only survived 2 months after surgery. But up until that last day, you couldn‘t tell he was sick. Just hope the trial provided something of value. Lost one other since then, recently. Not sick, just got old. Tried pain meds to help keep him going… and I do regret that. I pulled the trigger way too late (not literally).♥ 2source record 488
I love when people put their dogs through all sorts of horrible tests and procedures they don’t understand so the owner can squeez 2-3 more years of suffering out of them♥ 4source record 517
It's up to the owner to determine when the quality of life is low enough to stop with the procedures. If you know your dog, then you'll know where that line is. Even though it's a very difficult call to make. My dog went through chemotherapy and his tail was still wagging and he was excited, even on days where he had treatment. The extra 8 months we got with him was priceless to all of us. But when he stopped enjoying his favorite activities it was time... Your view on this is naive in my opinion. Treating animals to keep them alive does not necessarily mean they are suffering. I am guessing you have never been in that situation though.♥ 6source record 518
\^ this! Now, I've seen people take it too far, sure. But providing care does not mean they're miserable.♥ 3source record 519
I can speak to this as a someone who’s been a pet parent for 40 years (literally my entire life) & just made this decision last month. As well as having many vet tech friends. Just because your animal appears “happy”, doesn’t mean they’re not suffering or that their quality of life is as good as you think it is. Animals hide their pain well so by the time they get to the point you describe, they’re in bad shape. In my experience, people that extend their animals lives for a few months with painful treatments because they’re “happy” are actually pet parents that are in denial of the situation & refuse to let go even when it’s in their animals’ best interest. I feel like a piece of my soul went with my baby girl when I had to let go last month & I am still inconsolable & cry constantly…but I know I made the best decision for HER which was all that mattered to me.♥ 7source record 520
We have two other small kids, and they were really struggling with the idea of losing the cat. So on one hand, I'm really thankful that we could spare that grief and pain. At one point we were saying our goodbyes and I was explaining creamation to a 5 year old, and she was so upset. I just kept thinking "I would do anything in the world to take this pain from her" and then miraculously, the cat healed that night before we put him down. But also, wtf are we going to do now.♥ 3source record 524
I feel like you misunderstood the point. A 10 year old dog doesn't have all that much left to live, so spending 10k on maybe 3 years is logically a bad choice, but emotionally you're basically telling your dog to have 3 years left to live because it's expensive. On a 3 year old dog you're paying the 10k for another 10 years of life. The point was, the dog is going to die soon anyways, so your "but my 3 year old dog!!" Entirely misses that point.♥ 1source record 547
Here’s the unpopular opinion. I love dogs all kinds. I loved my dogs very much. But if it’s over 4000 it’s getting put down.♥ 1source record 558
Bye bye doggy. Financial stability for my human family comes before an animal♥ 9source record 577
My dog got bone cancer in her leg. We caught it very early. But the treatment was amputation and multiple chemo treatments. I had to pry a little from the doc to get an estimate for the whole course of treatment, which ended up being well over 10 grand. And that was just their estimate, which would be guaranteed to be on the low side. Unfortunately, a completely inappropriate use of my limited money.♥ 1source record 578
I’m a little callous in my original reply and I’m sorry you had to go through that. You absolutely made the right decision though I get frustrated with pet culture in general and people who believe pets are equal to children/human family and you are bad for not treating them that way. Family comes before animals 100% of the time. If you care for your pets as much as your children I think you need to take a long look at why you don’t love your children enough. If you ever have to take out serious debt or jeopardize your financial position to care for an animal, there is only one decision to make. And the existence of pet insurance is a symptom of the problem with the veterinary industry, not a solution. I went through some difficult decisions with my own dog recently and will never own another dog again because of it.♥ 4source record 579
Nah, no downvote. That's compassion. No animal in its elder years should have to suffer surgery after surgery and all that pain just because an owner doesn't want to grieve. We had a cat that my father found as a kitten when I was 3. My father passed away when I was 4. That cat lived to 25 years old because my mother just would not let it go. It was on a regimen of medications, special food that needed to be spoon fed because he couldn't walk to the food dish. Every hour she moved him around and fed him eyedroppers of distilled water. She had to rub ointments into his skin, paws, nose because his skin was so delicate it would just tear and bleed if it got dry. He was on dialysis treatments because his little kidneys didn't work. Eventally he would just turn his head towards you with his blind clouded bulging eyes and his little meow that was just air, you could see he was begging to be let go. The vet refused to continue dialysis treatment citing that it is only meant to be used while kidneys heal on a cat. His kidneys were not going heal. She tried to find another vet that would continue without success, and Ned was finally allowed to pass. At a certain point, medical treatment becomes cruelty.♥ 2source record 588
I mean it’s all relative to how much money you have.♥ 2source record 589
My 14 yo soul pup, a boxer beagle mix, was diagnosed with bone cancer. I opted to let him go rather than amputate and do chemo. It wasn’t about the money. If I knew he had years of quality life ahead, I’d do it in a heartbeat. But he was 14, had arthritis and was in pain from the tumor. Amputation doesn’t guarantee the cancer hasn’t already spread microscopically to his lungs. Last thing I could think about was him going through the pain of such a surgery then dying. That was in 2023. I miss him every day. I still cry at times.♥ 2source record 590
This is why I’ll never believe the story that the love between humans and their dogs is true love because people would gladly pay thousands for their actual loved ones.♥ 2source record 592
Most vets will have the conversation of lifespan/healthspan when they bring up expensive procedures. If they don't, just ask "what is the likely outcome?" They need a reminder to tap the breaks on the testing when it's only going to lead to more testing and more treatment, with a questionable benefit.♥ 2source record 593
Idc how long my dog has been in my family, the day it gets a bill or issue more than $100 it’s going to a farm with all its friends and it’s gonna be happy there♥ 3source record 600
My family looks like sociopaths because we get dogs and immediately tell the little ones "When this thing starts dying, that's it". We give them all the love and care in the world, but we're realistic about the boundary between maintaining health and life support.♥ 1source record 610
No, this is so true. My girl is 12 and I've already told the vet no more surgeries or invasive medicine. She's had about 8 surgeries throughout her life and sooo many biopsies and other things. She's covered in lipomas, she has a heart murmur, her liver is not at 100%. They keep talking about ultra sounds and this and that. No deal. She's 12. Her final year(s) will be spent at home relaxing on the deck and by the fireplace, not in the vet recovering from being poked and prodded.♥ 1source record 611
I don’t think it’s right to simply not treat certain conditions but there also gets to a certain point with life preservation efforts that it’s actually pretty cruel♥ 1source record 612
I down voted you because you made me think if my current 14year old pal, and a decision that will soon await. He's my best friend, and I hope I'm not faced with a decision that involves money vs time. Because I don't know what I'd do. I know what the logical thing is to do, but logic and feelings don't always equate.♥ 1source record 615
Yep, we have a cut off as well. Anywhere approaching a mortgage payment and maybe it's time to say goodbye. 😢♥ 1source record 617
You shouldn't be down voted for this. If they are costing thousands to keep going, it's a very high chance that the quality of life is no longer there or that they require a big, painful surgery, or medication that has awful side effects. If your elderly dog gets cancer and the chemo might give him an extra few months, is it worth it if those months are miserable for him?♥ 1source record 618
It is all down to the quality of life the dog would live. If there is more pain and suffering than good times and health then you need to do the mental arithmetic to see what is best for you and your beloved sidekick.♥ 1source record 619
But no. This is life. Time to say bye only if a vet advises so, imo.♥ 1source record 620
You are getting my upvote that's for sure. I've grown up with dogs and "my" dog I grew up closest too was kept alive just like that... looking back at it it fucking hurts, never again. I totally agree with you. I love my dog a lot! But he is still just a dog. I will play with him every day, feed him, exercise him and give him everything he needs. But when he gets too old or his health gets too bad it's time for us to say goodbye. I've been through it tho, so I know how it feels and I know it's coming.♥ 1source record 621
Yeah.. full agree. Especially if the diagnosis is terminal or the surgery has a long recovery. I watched two friends try to save their senior dogs from cancer only to have them die very shortly after horribly invasive surgeries. It hurt me to think about them being in so much pain in their last days/weeks.♥ 1source record 622
Some people can’t let go when it’s time. My boy is 11 now. Previous owners had him as a pup up until 4 years. We have had him since for 7 years now. Previous owners gave him up along with his brother to a no kill shelter in California. But he was sent on a saving train to Oregon at a shelter near us. Along with his brother. Which they did not get along btw. He had quite the trauma and journey making his way to us. By the grace of God almighty, he’s a happy and healthy boy. I dread the day when the time comes, he’s brought so much joy to our family and we cherish every moment. Love him to bits! His name is Jelly Marvin 😆 yes, he is a 🤡 as well. Makes it that more fun.♥ 1source record 624
We’ve all seen a pet that should really be dead but the owner won’t let go to the point of selfishness♥ 1source record 625
The vet tried to talk me into putting my 17-year-old cat through chemo. She was old and had had a great life-no way was I making her suffer just to live a couple more years. I put her down about a month later when she lost control of her bowels and was pooping all over herself. No regrets, 17 years is a good run, and she was only sick at the very end.♥ 1source record 627
Only put a dog down if it is in pain with no medical recourse.♥ 1source record 628
Couldn’t agree more. Not only it’s a financial strain for you that might not even pay off but it also sucks for the dog. Vet visits and treatment is stressful on top of the pain you’re already feeling. It’s just not worth it, and while it comes from a good place, this too is a kind of greed.♥ 1source record 629
Paying 10k at 10 years old is literally a choice.♥ 1source record 701
"My dog loves me but he wouldn't want me to go in debt to keep him alive for another couple years that would probably involve him suffering with arthritus and hip displasia."♥ 1source record 709
It’s not the money that’s in question in that case – $9/month pet insurance covers major issues – it’s your dog being in pain and having no quality of life! For people and pets both, it should be more about quality of life than quantity. Diet/exercise/preventative medicine is important to have more healthy years, not just as many years as possible… even when miserable!♥ 1source record 710
Nope, I love my 2 goldens, but the threshold for vet bills is the cost to get a new dog. And yes owning dogs sucks because its basically another child you have to house, feed and care for.♥ 1source record 717
The way I had to fight myself not to treat my senior overweight goldens cancer…♥ 1source record 724
Man I’m with you. These people saying they spend 10-20k on their dog Confound me. My dog gets sick we just putting her down. I love her and she has a good place in my family but like. I can get another dog…♥ 1source record 3638
I grew up with dogs and when going to college I realized how peaceful it was to not have the responsibility of having one. Something I never understood and constantly get told how heartless I am.. people should not pay exorbitant amount of money on your pets health. Paying $10,000 for a surgery for them to live a year longer? In reality that $10,000 could hurt your quality of life wayyy longer than that animal will be alive. Pets are not worth crippling your life over.♥ 1source record 3706
Thanks. It was not the money so much as the vet team not being up front about all of her options. They didn’t talk much about quality of life in fact one of the techs came to me and said, if you came here today to have her put down I would send you home. I was already an emotional mess sobbing in the room. I had said that I was worried about her pain levels because I couldn’t tell if she was or not but looking back, I knew something wasn’t right and that I shouldn’t keep trying to fix her but I was worried I would be making the wrong decision. It’s hard to have clarity when you’re deep in that pain and when you don’t get enough answers. I felt so guilty about the thought of ending her life. And then I felt guilty after for not having ended it sooner. The best help and support I got was from a pet hospice vet group. They were amazing. My daughter suggested that kind of care and I am so glad I called them. They were incredibly kind and knew what to say and how to say it. The vet isn’t always the right place to get information to make the best decision.♥ 1source record 4885
Vets will tell you its better a month early than a week too late.♥ 1source record 4886

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Why readers chose it: 47 records, and unlike the surgery card these carry monthly rather than one-off numbers. The itemised totals run from a commenter whose dog costs well under 100 euro a month to one who averages $800 a month across a year and, at the top, a household spending around $30,000 a year plus a $12,000 fence. The recurring lines are the same everywhere: prescription or allergy food around $90 a month, medication around $100 a month, grooming at roughly $100 a session, boarding, and vaccinations that one commenter points out cost more than $100 on their own. Several note the direction of travel — that food prices, vet fees and boarding rates have all roughly doubled or tripled since they got the dog. The counterpoint inside the card is that a healthy dog on ordinary kibble genuinely is cheap, and that the expense arrives with age.

What readers reported: I essentially feed my dog money. He has really bad allergies, needs lots of walks (lots), constant ear infections, needs medication that is $100 a month, and special food that is $90 a month. When we go away it's like $400 for someone to watch him. His annual visits are about $300 for all his shots and stuff. He is addicted to greenies so god forbid we don't give one to him at 8PM. Because of his allergies, he needs grooming all the time too which is about $100 lol I will love him and be by his side until the very end, because he is so loyal to my wife and I, but I could only imagine life being cheaper and less complicated once he passes. He has been through so much with us. He is 9 now. I love that dog so much though. I'd do anything for him, but I truly understand.

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Also I know many people who complain about how they have no money, can’t save, rent is so high, etc yet they have dogs. You’re broke, dude, why not first learn how to afford just you then add a dog????

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I just got a bonus at work and like the next week of course the car broke and my dog got a bad ear infection. That came back so needed a 2nd round of treatment. Wiped out that bonus

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There are some ways to train and help with some of that but even then yes, dogs are a big ass responsibility. I dread the day my broke ass has to take my dog to the vet, 2-3 years so far and he's all good

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My gosh, was that anytime in the last decade?? 😅 I would tell the shelter they need to be realistic in what they tell people. That would unfortunately cause some people to dump a dog after getting it.

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Im in soo much fkn debt cuz of my dogs I hate it im over having pets 😒

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I love dogs and have kept two at a time for many years. But you are not wrong. Luckily mine have never had chronic poop issues (maybe try adding some pureed pumpkin to your dog’s meal? It doesn’t take much. Or ask your vet for dietary recommendations). But in addition to all you say, you have to find care when you travel which can be expensive, vet bills are increasingly outrageous, insurance is becoming more necessary, even very good dogs are inherently messy and can be accidentally destructive, and it can be hard to find living space to accommodate them, etc etc). I have always taken in dogs from shelters or ones that need rehoming but I am kind of thinking that my current pair will be my last. Or i will at least take a break for awhile. They do give me a sense of security, keep me exercising more, and are very sweet and cuddly. But they are a lot.

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We spend about $30,000/ year for food , vet (one needed Qpk in surgery and treatment)and treats for our dog. We also installed a $12000 fence for the yard. Worth every penny imho. We love them.

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I love dogs and have kept two at a time for many years. But you are not wrong. Luckily mine have never had chronic poop issues (maybe try adding some pureed pumpkin to your dog’s meal? It doesn’t take much. Or ask your vet for dietary recommendations). But in addition to all you say, you have to find care when you travel which can be expensive, vet bills are increasingly outrageous, insurance is becoming more necessary, even very good dogs are inherently messy and can be accidentally destructive, and it can be hard to find living space to accommodate them, etc etc). I have always taken in dogs from shelters or ones that need rehoming but I am kind of thinking that my current pair will be my last. Or i will at least take a break for awhile. They do give me a sense of security, keep me exercising more, and are very sweet and cuddly. But they are a lot.♥ 41source record 301
Also I know many people who complain about how they have no money, can’t save, rent is so high, etc yet they have dogs. You’re broke, dude, why not first learn how to afford just you then add a dog????♥ 5source record 444
I always kept an emergency savings specifically for my dog. He would frequently be more expensive than car or other emergency issues, so it was easier to just set aside money specifically for him.♥ 3source record 574
It's more than $100 for legally required vaccines for things like rabies. Don't get a dog please.♥ 7source record 601
Bro the food alone will cost 100 bucks or more depending on the brand/if it’s special diet. Definitely don’t get another dog holy shit.♥ 5source record 605
If you're able, taking your dog to a vet in Mexico can be a big cost savings - I have family in SoCal and they took their elderly terrier and paid less than 1/10th of what was quoted in the US. Gotta do your research a bit but it worked out very well for them overall.♥ 1source record 614
You're right. Our 16 year old dog is literally the light of our lives, but when it's time for her to go, the only vet bill will be the euthanasia. And don't get me started about our vet's persistent reminders for her "Senior Wellness Checks" every six months at $600 a pop. If she's eating, pooping, and still interested in going for a walk, she's well enough!♥ 1source record 630
My older Yorkie has already put a strain on our finances. And she’s only 1 yr and 8 months old!♥ 1source record 707
Yup! Pet insurance is awesome, and you definitely want to budget for a pet just like anyone or anything else! I used to pay tons of money for high-quality food, treats, etc when I had two big mutts… …but now that I only have one 4 lb maltese, I can get her the highest quality of everything and it’s still exponentially cheaper – literally! It’s gotten even more so since I started buying in bulk, portioning it out into vacuum pack foodsaver bags, and storing it in a deep freezer!♥ 1source record 712
I just got a bonus at work and like the next week of course the car broke and my dog got a bad ear infection. That came back so needed a 2nd round of treatment. Wiped out that bonus♥ 1source record 726
Yeah my dog just passed about two weeks ago and while it has been pretty emotionally difficult my bills have suddenly gone way down and I have some extra time every day. I loved my dog a ton obviously and I’m so sad he’s gone, but yeah people do NOT think about the monetary and time investment of pet ownership, specifically dogs.♥ 2source record 874
I want one so bad but the cat distribution system gave me a cat that literally launches himself at the throat of dogs in his territory, plus I'm poor AF. Pets are frickin expensive these days.♥ 5source record 1200
Yorkies need to have their teeth brushed every day. Professional cleaning at least once a year. They require a lot of care.♥ 1source record 1460
Different situations, different costs I guess... But my dog costs have been basically few vet visits in the last 6-8 years totalling maybe 1200€ (Due to one having been surgery) and other than that... Nothing really. Food, snacks and other normal costs. Constant costs per month have been well under 100€, probably close to 50€. Edit: Not a mini breed. Akita.♥ 7source record 1488
Your time will come. If you're doing it right, it's expensive.♥ 3source record 1489
Right as in how? I do not visit groomers nor other service places for pets. I haven't had need for pet sitters or other similar expensive services. Outside vet costs have been needed vaccines, few checks, some medication and one short schedule surgery + infection control visit after. Sure, there might come more unexpected costs, but they happen when and if they come. That's the situation after close to decade of pet ownership. We have had a lot of pets in the family and around relatives and I've been taking care and helping with them here and there throughout my own life. I think I have somewhat reasonable view on what costs can be expected.♥ 2source record 1492
They get old.♥ 2source record 1493
My dog keeps breaking his toenails because he does fetch too hard. And it’s like $1,000 every god damned time.♥ 3source record 1944
We have two big dogs. One costs $800/month in medications, the other can’t be walked because he’s leash/barrier aggressive, so we have to drive 40min to my in-law’s property 2-3 times per week to let him run around. Can’t go on vacations, can’t go on spontaneous outings, can’t have people over. AND THEIR HAIR IS EVERYWHERE. Can’t wait until we have zero pets in the home.♥ 2source record 2237
I loved owning a dog. And I loved owning the cats I had. But after they died I have been pet-free. Not because I don't want a companion; because It's SOOOOO fucking nice relieving myself of the cost that goes along with having a pet. If you want to be a responsible pet owner, that's a few thousand dollars a year in food and vet visits. And the other cost; having a house that always smells like a dog or a cat, it's impossible to have a cat and not have a cat litter smell somewhere in the house and that's if they do their end of the litter well and it's not discipline issues. It's nice to be able to have leather furniture and not have to worry about a cat clawing it to pieces. It's nice to not have to clean up urine. Or the cat hair that gets everywhere and makes you have to clean twice as often as you otherwise would. I miss having pets but there's so much I feel free from at the same time. So I guess I agree with you.♥ 1source record 2337
I have two but yes they are exhausting. It's like having extra kids. The only good thing is you can leave them at home for a bit. I never wanted kids for the same reason I think it'd be awful 'mum mum mum mum' all the time. Dogs are my version of kids without the hassle of kids. But they really are the same amount of responsibility. My girl's got cancer at the moment and it's costing me a grand a month by the way because the insurance won't cover it. I feel quite sorry for your dog. I don't think she sounds very loved.♥ 1source record 2464
Apart from all the daily maintenance, being a proper dog owner is expensive. Regular vet stuff, decent food, and you still might have high vet bills from random diseases, dumb dog stuff, or other animals. Wanna go away for a weekend? Need someone to feed the dog and walk it.♥ 1source record 2767
My dog costs us $500 a month in prescriptions and food♥ 1source record 2830
All of this! I love my dogs — I have two of them. But man, annoying for sure. They smell and shed. I’ve given up on having a clean house a long time ago. And the cost. My god. Every trip to the vet is expensive. One of mine needs monthly allergy shots other she’ll lick herself raw. Whenever we go on a trip we have to pay someone to dog sit or board them. I can’t imagine life without them but they are more high maintenance than a cat. But we love them.♥ 1source record 2917
I essentially feed my dog money. He has really bad allergies, needs lots of walks (lots), constant ear infections, needs medication that is $100 a month, and special food that is $90 a month. When we go away it's like $400 for someone to watch him. His annual visits are about $300 for all his shots and stuff. He is addicted to greenies so god forbid we don't give one to him at 8PM. Because of his allergies, he needs grooming all the time too which is about $100 lol I will love him and be by his side until the very end, because he is so loyal to my wife and I, but I could only imagine life being cheaper and less complicated once he passes. He has been through so much with us. He is 9 now. I love that dog so much though. I'd do anything for him, but I truly understand.♥ 1source record 3015
I have 2 dogs and I haaaate them. 2 rescue dogs because my wife os a good person. I just want to retire some day but these dogs are putting us in the poor house.♥ 1source record 3065
I've had dogs most of my life and enjoy them a lot but I think after my current dog I'll probably take some good long time off having one. Part of it is just how crazy expensive it has gotten. Dog food has like tripled in price in the time since when I adopted my current dog, vet bills have about doubled on average with any specific treatment being "are you kidding me" expensive, boarding rates have about doubled, toys and misc, it's still enjoyable and I love my dog and all but it's just wild how much more expensive it is in just a couple years.♥ 1source record 3209
I had a dog. Sweetest boy. We had to put him down a few years ago but I still cry for him. I miss him so much. That said, i was the one doing walks, picking up poop, being startled awake by barking when a truck rumbled by the house, paying 80 bucks for a haircut 5 times a year, paying vet bills. Kids were kind of too young, plus Rocky didnt like the kids bc they pulled his hair when they were babies. So yeah, they want another dog. I says no. Telling them now that pets in college is a big no as well. We settled on a beta fish. Guess who takes care of him? Me. Cleaning the tank, buying a bigger tank with beta hammocks, adding water when it gets too low, feeding him. You would have thought they could at least feed him. Thanks for listening.♥ 1source record 3353
It’s a lot of cash too if you want to take care of them well. I spend $800 a month on my dog averaged out over the course of a year. This includes pet insurance, a savings fund (I gradually lower the pet insurance amount and increase savings amount as pet insurance sky rockets), yearly vet visit with blood work and teeth cleaning, gps dog collar yearly subscription, food and treats. I do his grooming/ bathing and we have family to watch him otherwise that would add on even more. It’s overkill sure, but I don’t have kids and having him has helped my depression and anxiety immensely so he’s worth it. But it’s wild to think he’s a whole ass nice car payment every month 🙃♥ 1source record 3359
Pets in general are expensive in time and money. Making sure their shots are always up to date. grooming their fur so it doesn't get matted. Brushing their teeth. Varied diet of food because they need a whole list of things to stay healthy. Constant attention and playtime, like a lot of it. Picking up shit all the time and so many frequent trips to the restroom. Filed nails because you can't let them grow too much without it causing them pain. And so much more lol.♥ 1source record 3398
You also forgot to mention the 70 k price tag of dog ownership over the course of a dogs life which is more than the cost of a luxury car♥ 1source record 3517
People don't realize dogs are like babies. It's fun to meet one. Play with them for a bit. But having one live with you means keeping dangerous things out away, cleaning up shit and piss and vomit, waking up in the middle of the night, feeding and bathing and everything else. And don't even mention vet bills! My two boys have been SOO expensive for my family that our vet told us about their insurance program that covers a majority of visits and exams for a yearly price. It's a lot of work♥ 1source record 3562
This post reminds me that it's not all joy when owning a pet. Lots of maintenance, care, health checkups, high costs, insurance, etc. At this point I wouldn't consider a pet unless I'm rich enough. 😭♥ 1source record 3935
Worst part of dog ownership is nail trims, I have two psycho rescues that are both giant breeds and require sedated nail trims. If it's a crappy tech I'm lucky if I get 90 days between sessions and it's $300 a dog. The one bites if we try, gaba and traz don't touch him. The other barrel rolls and pisses everywhere if you touch her feet, but she'll at least use the treat scratch pad things so the back nails are the major issue.♥ 1source record 3956
I love all animals,but i don't have extra money to have a pet.Sorry,but having a dog cost money.♥ 1source record 4147
It’s challenging and expensive being a Dog Parent.♥ 1source record 4252
There are some ways to train and help with some of that but even then yes, dogs are a big ass responsibility. I dread the day my broke ass has to take my dog to the vet, 2-3 years so far and he's all good♥ 1source record 4381
I love my dog so much but this is true. I adopted in my early 20s and was told by the shelter to set aside a thousand dollars a year for pet care. Ha. Hahaha.♥ 1source record 4408
My gosh, was that anytime in the last decade?? 😅 I would tell the shelter they need to be realistic in what they tell people. That would unfortunately cause some people to dump a dog after getting it.♥ 1source record 4409
It was not in the last decade lol. But it wasn’t true, even then.♥ 1source record 4410
Im in soo much fkn debt cuz of my dogs I hate it im over having pets 😒♥ 1source record 4490
We spend about $30,000/ year for food , vet (one needed Qpk in surgery and treatment)and treats for our dog. We also installed a $12000 fence for the yard. Worth every penny imho. We love them.♥ -1source record 4510
Honestly, I love animals, but dogs especially are such g/d money drains. I had sworn them off before meeting my now wife, who came with a staffy.. a staffy that has a million allergies, needs special (expensive) food, needs bi-weekly allergy (expensive) shots, can’t play at a normal dog park and needs a special dog free one at a time (expensive) park, likes to grow barely 2mm (expensive) tiny random moles that need to be removed.. it’s insane. I told her, after this, we get the muttiest-mut that ever existed, like so deeply mutt-ed that it can’t possibly have any health issues other than old age someday, because it’s so deeply cross bred and found in a dumpster-ish that it will live to 27 out of spite and ugliness on nothing more than grass, dollar store dog food, and carpet crumbs. Because jfc dogs are so stupidly expensive.♥ 0source record 4594
This is a valid point from someone who doesn’t want a dog. I think a lot of people who own dogs come into it with knowing this and is mentally prepared for it. Personally, my dog has a heart murmur and a hernia. I pay $100 a month in his pet insurance. He has specialty food. He has daily supplements. He has monthly $100 grooming sessions. He has a sensitive stomach so the poop is always an issue. He also now has skin allergies since we moved. But all of his care and everything, comes easy to me and feels small overall. Idk maybe cause I see him as a member of my family so I think his health and well being is equivalent to mine. But you’re completely valid and I think more people need to be aware of what they’re getting into before getting a dog or pet of any kind.♥ 1source record 4836
10 years later your finances might look very different♥ 1source record 4921
Senior dog here as well and he's probably cost me at least $500 a month for the last year. Probably more. I feel terrible for worrying about the money for someone I love, but fuck dude. On top of everything else everyone has mentioned. Can't be away for more than a few hours. Can't travel without a much higher logistical load. Etc♥ 3source record 5161
Typically Americans spend $3000 a year owning one dog. Yep, if you got a stupid one who eats weird crap it is like $4000 to get said weird crap removed. But dog shit picking up is a daily chore if you got little ones. You might as well get a poop bag dispenser and follow it around or risk that kid tracking it in one day.♥ 0source record 5436

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The walk: twice a day, in every weather, for a decade21 index entriesThe complaint is not the walk. It is that illness, weather and a bad day do not excuse you from it.
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The walk: twice a day, in every weather, for a decade

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Situation: Getting a dog outside on the days you have nothing left

Why readers chose it: 21 records, and the complaint is unusually precise: not the walk but its unconditionality. Commenters name the things that do not excuse it — a fever, COVID, a blizzard, ten inches of rain in five hours, hundred-degree heat, their own stomach bug — and several add that they enjoy walking and resent the obligation anyway. The volume quoted runs from three outings a day up to four walks totalling an hour and a half to two hours. The people without a yard describe an extra layer the rest do not have: dressing for outdoors, going down, waiting, coming back up and cleaning paws, three or four times daily, for the life of the dog.

What readers reported: I cared for my dog mostly on my own for 14 years, I loved her and miss her so much. I'm not taking another one until I retire (I'm under 30), unless I could get her back, which I can't because just like people, they can't come back to life. Nobody talks about one of the hardest tasks: walking your dog when you're sick and have fever! Omg, and don't get me started on walking them when you yourself have diarrhea, that's a risky game! I love your post, because dogs are great, but you do have to build your life around them, just like you do with kids. It's so rewarding to have a dog, but it's far from being easy. Everyone should know that before they get one. Sometimes when I see puppies, I wonder how I managed to train mine on my own when I was just 13.

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Having to wake up at 4am with COVID because you have to walk that fucker or she will shit all over your living room floor. Never again, man.

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I find it so interesting that this isn't the norm? I know AI can be wrong, but whenever I tell it I walk my dog 4 times a day, 3 short 15-20 minute walks and one long 45 minutes-1 hour walk a day (1.5 hours to 2 hours in total a day), it says that's a lot and to be careful it's not too much for him. Like what? I thought this was normal (we don't have a yard and where I live people usually don't let their dogs poop in their yards anyway). My dog is 12 kg and a moderately active breed. 11 months old.

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Pets are a huge responsibility, 2 cats is probably the easiest combo. Pets are Well worth it in my mind but having the dog probably adds an extra hour to 2 hours to my daily chores and responsibilities. Getting the right breed for life style is a big one, I don’t know how many people I know that get active working breeds and think 2 walks a week is going to keep that dog content. Just feel bad for the dog to be honest.

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I find it so interesting that this isn't the norm? I know AI can be wrong, but whenever I tell it I walk my dog 4 times a day, 3 short 15-20 minute walks and one long 45 minutes-1 hour walk a day (1.5 hours to 2 hours in total a day), it says that's a lot and to be careful it's not too much for him. Like what? I thought this was normal (we don't have a yard and where I live people usually don't let their dogs poop in their yards anyway). My dog is 12 kg and a moderately active breed. 11 months old.

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needing to take them on walks to handle basic biology functions is a big part of why "owning a dog fucking sucks" .. you ain't making a good case.

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TBH the free time part is the important one IMO. A dog really benefits from going for walks for a bunch of reasons. If you don't have the time to do that, your dog ... will become more of a problem. It varies somewhat by breed and temperament, but ultimately an animal without 'enrichment' is going to get bored/stressed/miserable, and 'walkies' does that. If the OP had ranted about the commitment of 1-2 hours of walkies a day _every day_ I'd have understood somewhat. That's been ... a challenge. (I mean, it's broadly positive, but I've had plenty of days where I could have used an extra hour of sleep, or the weather has been utterly vile) But scooping up? Cleaning my garden? Nah. Those haven't been issues at all.♥ 4source record 389
Pets are a huge responsibility, 2 cats is probably the easiest combo. Pets are Well worth it in my mind but having the dog probably adds an extra hour to 2 hours to my daily chores and responsibilities. Getting the right breed for life style is a big one, I don’t know how many people I know that get active working breeds and think 2 walks a week is going to keep that dog content. Just feel bad for the dog to be honest.♥ 6source record 427
I have been the one taking care of my dog for almost 2 years now and it can be exhausting. I live in an apartment and need to take my dog out 3 times a day for a walk. Luckily she's a small breed and doesn't need long walks, but it's still exhausting getting dressed for the outdoors, taking her out, and then coming back in and cleaning paws and rear end. I also need to allocate enough time in the morning before work or in the evening before bed to make sure that she gets a walk in. I'm lucky that my boyfriend will help take her a walk some mornings before I go to work (they adore each other so it works out that he gets some more cuddle time and walk time with her). Whenever I travel, I have more stuff for her than me: crate, bed, extra poo bags, food, water bowl, brush, treats, shampoo, and another leash! I'm so lucky that my boyfriend's parents watch her sometimes and that their dog and mine are best friends so they hangout and play. If they didn't get along and if the parents wouldn't watch her, then it would be hard for me to go anywhere for an extended period of time.♥ 1source record 1530
I find it so interesting that this isn't the norm? I know AI can be wrong, but whenever I tell it I walk my dog 4 times a day, 3 short 15-20 minute walks and one long 45 minutes-1 hour walk a day (1.5 hours to 2 hours in total a day), it says that's a lot and to be careful it's not too much for him. Like what? I thought this was normal (we don't have a yard and where I live people usually don't let their dogs poop in their yards anyway). My dog is 12 kg and a moderately active breed. 11 months old.♥ 1source record 1913
Ce que tu décris c'est pas grand chose. La vraie plaie c'est (si tu veux qu'il soit heureux) de le promener trois fois par jour par tous les temps même quand tu es épuisé par ta journée de taff et que tu veux pas bouger.♥ 2source record 2049
Yeah, you never get a day off, you need to walk them every day or feel like shit because you love them. My parents fenced in a portion of our yard to let them do their business, so it was a little easier to find what needed to be picked up.♥ 2source record 2058
I love my dog too but hands down my least favourite part is having to take him for walks on the days I am just NOT in the mood!!! He loves any weather, just absolutely loves being outside as often as possible, and it sucks living in southwest BC where it rains for half the year. Does my dog care? Nope of course not. I wish I got a dog that was a bit lazier tbh 😂 and I say this as an active person! Some days I just wanna be lazy, dammit! I'll walk him for an hour and when we get to a turnaround point to go back home, he plants his butt down refusing to move cuz he doesn't wanna go home yet. Like bro we've been going for an hour already!! C'mon! Also, I lovvveee hiking, but I constantly have to plan around if I can bring him or not (sharp rocks, scrambles, ropes/ladders, likelihood of bears, dog friendly trail, water sources, sun exposure, etc etc). Like why is it actually so hard to take my dog on a hike?? I thought it was the best thing to do with them but it's so much harder than I thought. Admittedly I like to do giant crazy full day hikes(like minimum 10-15km, 1200m+ gain, scrambles, etc) but it's not always feasible for him. So, he's either at home with my husband and I go solo, or I pick something he's able to do but it's more boring for me, or it's a repeat of something I've done before. I wanted to adopt a greyhound but my husband insisted on this lab/mastiff mix (though I suspect he's also part husky) so we have this 80lb ball of energy and chaos and sometimes I JUST WANT PEACE 😭 but then I think of when we'll have to put him down one day and I cry.♥ 1source record 2486
We had a dog while growing up and tbh I always hated to have to walk the dog after school. If I would have a dog now I would have to do it in the morning, at midday, in the evening. Can't go anywere for a longer time. It is like a child that never becomes independent.♥ 1source record 2539
I cared for my dog mostly on my own for 14 years, I loved her and miss her so much. I'm not taking another one until I retire (I'm under 30), unless I could get her back, which I can't because just like people, they can't come back to life. Nobody talks about one of the hardest tasks: walking your dog when you're sick and have fever! Omg, and don't get me started on walking them when you yourself have diarrhea, that's a risky game! I love your post, because dogs are great, but you do have to build your life around them, just like you do with kids. It's so rewarding to have a dog, but it's far from being easy. Everyone should know that before they get one. Sometimes when I see puppies, I wonder how I managed to train mine on my own when I was just 13.♥ 1source record 2574
I adore my rescue dog . Got him at 2 (he had been locked in a kitchen ) he couldn’t walk on a lead , was reactive etc (he’s half Akita half Malinois) so a big dog . I shed blood sweat and tears training him and he is so good with walking and reactivity etc but my god he is a lot of work ! He has anxiety based ocd and he is constantly ‘ON’ . I haven’t had a lay in in 6 years . Regardless of weather or illness he still needs to be walked (2hrs minimum daily ) In the summer I am up at 4 am to make sure he is walked before it’s too hot . He is 8 now and I love him to bits BUT I won’t ever get another dog after he passes . Not because I’m scared they won’t be like him .. because I’m terrified they would be . It’s really hard work . It’s currently 09:48 and I’ve already walked 13’056 steps . My daily steps .. every single day do not go below 25000 . I WFH and I do not stop from 4/5 am until 9 each day . I find myself keeping my self awake to just get some peace and quiet . I give props to the OP on this . Many dogs are in shelters because people really didn’t look into how much time , effort and money they really take to care for properly . I’m currently having a quiet cup of tea whilst my dog (who refuses to go to the toilet in our garden ) is stalking a magpie in the garden ..oh and he woke me up at 3:50 am because of a fox in the garden …♥ 1source record 2583
I love dogs but I’d never get one for myself. I don’t like going outside and dogs require multiple walks (I don’t have a yard) in ALL weather. I would hate having to go on walks during rain, sleet, snow, ice, and extreme cold/heat. Also the “eating everything” issue would pmo because why are you making yourself sick! They also get stinky fast. Super nice and friendly though. 10/10 for making you feel welcomed, loved, and protected. I also love that they can learn tricks/commands. Personality and lifestyle wise, I’m more of a cat person. I’d only have a dog if they belonged to a partner/family member.♥ 1source record 2621
The hardest thing for me with dogs is rain or shine that dog has to go outside. We had a blizzard with about 12" of snow a few years ago, dog had to go out. When we got 10" of rain in a 5 hour period the dog had to go outside. When it's 100°+ degrees outside the dog has to go outside. That part really took its toll on me. When my dog passed away I was very sad but I don't think I will ever own a dog again.♥ 1source record 3097
I would agree with this even though I love dogs and especially love mine. It's a loot of work. Even if I have a late night, or am sick, I still have to wake up at the crack of dawn and walk her, etc. I think most people completely underestimate how much work goes into a dog.♥ 1source record 3379
Having to take them out to pee and poo is annoying.♥ 1source record 3612
You forgot walking the dog in the rain/snow.♥ 1source record 3693
Hard *hard* **HARD** agree. I do not like having a dog. I love my dog but I would never ever get another. Especially living in an apartment, it’s awful. Simply needing to walk this animal in the snow or rain, who all of a sudden forgets SHE wanted to go outside, or doesn’t want to step on went grass, irritates this life out of me. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. It’s the worst. Anytime someone tells me they’re considering a dog, I tell them to reconsider. And yes, not really too bright. Like a dog will do everything in their power to die. They will repeatedly eat whatever. There is like no fucking memory in their brain to not eat whatever had them shitting and vomiting their brains out the day before. That’s the one that really kills me. Truly, it’s like I wrote this post myself. Edit: I actually could go on and on 😂 Traveling is annoying. Dog food and treats are very expensive. Can’t sleep in; woke up at 5:30 to walk her during a thunderstorm today. Being responsible for a dog is the bane of my existence. I **do not** recommend whatsoever.♥ 1source record 4157
Cats in comparions are easy. The walking them multiple times a day is the annoying part. I am tired and I want to go to sleep? Walk it first. I woke up and am groggy? Walk the dog! Those are the most annoying walks.♥ 1source record 4277
My dogs wake me up any time between 3am and 5am every single morning. Trust me, I know. And obviously you can't do last minute nights out etc. You just have to love them enough to make up for it.♥ 1source record 4707
I have 7 great danes. I've had dogs my entire life. They take a lot of time to make their food, we feed a raw diet (that's actually good) and basically every Saturday is "wasted" making their food. We have had some dog fights which definitely sucks. We handle it as best as we can. But I think my biggest complaint is the lack of bed space. These dogs are big and have no idea how big they are and they can be pretty stubborn especially when they are sleepy. So now I'm writing this on a bed sandwiched between ~650lbs of dog.♥ 1source record 4843
Having to wake up at 4am with COVID because you have to walk that fucker or she will shit all over your living room floor. Never again, man.♥ 1source record 4915
needing to take them on walks to handle basic biology functions is a big part of why "owning a dog fucking sucks" .. you ain't making a good case.♥ -2source record 5300

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The countdown that ends every evening43 index entriesRecords about the clock rather than the chore: plans cut short, and hours away from home that have to be counted first.
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Situation: Being somewhere you are enjoying and having to leave because of the dog

Why readers chose it: 43 records about the clock rather than the chore. The loss commenters name is spontaneity: staying longer at a friend's house, a drink after work, a film, an unplanned overnight. Several put an interval on it — six hours, eight hours, a few hours at most — and describe planning the day backwards from it, including one household where somebody drives home every working lunchtime. The card also holds the second-order effect, which is social: friends on the other side of it who noticed how much less they see the dog owner, and dog owners who admit the same line doubles as a way to leave early when they want to.

What readers reported: This is the biggest issue and it's a sub comment like 10 commandments down lol. Going to a friend's and want to just stay longer? NOPE gotta to home my dogs sad and lonely so I can't make impromptu plans or do anything away from home that's fun for any length of time.

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This is the biggest issue and it's a sub comment like 10 commandments down lol. Going to a friend's and want to just stay longer? NOPE gotta to home my dogs sad and lonely so I can't make impromptu plans or do anything away from home that's fun for any length of time.

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I actually broke up w a girl because her dog was so fucking time consuming it was unreal. Her whole life revolves around her dog.

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Tbh. Ive often hated having go stop what im doing and walk tbe dog. But Rain or shine ive never Regretted walking the dog. I was often dissapointed i had to leave whatever fun i was doing go go home and make sure tbe dog was ok. Ive never been happier walking in that door and seeing his tail wag. Ive often been frustrated i had to plan travel around my dog. Ive never as excited as bringing them on a trip. Negative emotions are normal and natural but loving is looking at the good not the bad

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Never had kids, and I always wanted a dog and finally got one at 31, a black lab. It’s hard to imagine what it’s like without previously having one, or kids. They are always there. You have to attend to every one of their needs and most of their wants. You have to always keep them in mind when making plans. Can’t just pick up and go out of town for the weekend. Can’t go someplace and hang out till midnight after work. Can’t spend the night somewhere. Not without making arrangements for the dog. They can be demanding, especially once a routine is established, and it’s worse the smarter they are, and the more finely tuned their internal clocks are. Meal times were inviolate. I walked him every night around 9. He learned that. Around 830, he’d start nudging my feet while I sat on the couch. By 9, he’d be practically freaking out, almost biting my feet and tearing my shoes up unless I’d get up, put my shoes on, and take him out. One morning I woke up early and could not get back to sleep so I decided to take him on a bonus morning walk. That suddenly became my new wake up routine. Couldn’t sleep past 6-630 anymore. Have to rearrange the house, dog-proof it. Had to get a commercial style garbage can for the kitchen with the hinged door on it because he would tear into it looking for anything that smelled good. One day we were out for a walk and he had a hard time pooping. Eventually he does and out comes one of those little pads they put in the bottom of a package of meat. Lucky he didn’t get bound up and die. Constantly having to get more food and treats. And the vet visits. One dark and rainy night after a walk, I dried his fur and paws off with a towel before going back inside. The towel came away bloody from one paw, so off to the emergency vet we go. She said it looked like he lacerated himself on a piece of broken glass that he must have stepped on somewhere. So that was $250 out the door for exam, meds, and sutures, then another chunk to remove them later (this was before dissolving sutures). And the regular checkups aren’t cheap either. Being a responsible dog owner is a tough commitment, no question. But for all that I wouldn’t give up a moment with him or any of the little dudes I’ve had since him. The way he’d sit in the front seat of the car all upright, watching the world pass by through the windows and would know to lean into the turns just makes my heart sing after all these years.

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It completely takes over your life and and your schedule.... It's exhausting

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Dogs are like kids, unless you have a yard they can hang out in, your life now revolves around a dog. They are great for lonely people, but if you have any semblance of a life, say bye-bye to it, you gotta be home by 8p every night or you aren't getting your security deposit back.

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I have a 4 lb ball and chain. I cant go anywhere because he is a total monster. I get the sentiment!

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So true. As far as the task related parts of raising kids vs. dogs, there are many similar challenges. That theory does have it limits for obvious reasons. Dogs are needy af! You can’t go to happy hour after work, gotta come straight home and take the dog for a walk, feed etc. If you want to relax on the couch, and they have other things in mind… lol and then they have their own neurosis too, holy heck.♥ 39source record 75
Yes! My best friend got a dog recently and it’s wild how much LESS we have hung out and how often she has to leave early because she has to feed her dog and then walk her small dog because if she doesn’t walk her dog 30 min after a meal, it will get stomach issues.♥ 7source record 180
No, you can take a baby most places. You can't take a dog most places. It's only slightly easier because you can leave your dog you 8 hours, you shouldn't but you can.♥ 94source record 262
It completely takes over your life and and your schedule.... It's exhausting♥ 396source record 277
"I have to go home to walk the dog for an hour... for the second time today" "I need to go home to settle my dog, he gets anxious" "I need a pet-friendly hotel to travel" Three different friends/family. Dogs can be a millstone around your neck. Growing up we had a collie that walked himself, could chill for a week if we were all away, no bother, he loved attention but didn't need it, and he played nicely with other dogs. I didn't know how good we had it.♥ 150source record 278
This is the biggest issue and it's a sub comment like 10 commandments down lol. Going to a friend's and want to just stay longer? NOPE gotta to home my dogs sad and lonely so I can't make impromptu plans or do anything away from home that's fun for any length of time.♥ 45source record 279
Being a Solo dog owner is like having a part time job on top your regular job. After work I head straight home and take the dog out to the park for an hour. Then head back home and get her medicine and dinner ready. By the time that's all said and done. I'm spent for the day. I love my dog and wouldn't change a thing but it definitely dictates my daily life and has affected some of my relationships with people♥ 6source record 293
Yes! We have missed out on a lot of things because we can’t be gone for too long because our dog needs to go to the bathroom and eat. I love him more than anything but I haven’t been able to do a lot because of him. Can’t take him to certain peoples houses because they have dogs that they don’t get along with well ect. He gets too hot if we are outside too long and is exhausted after 30 minutes. I had to work nights for a long time just so I could feed him, walk him and give him his meds. So I would sleep for a few hours then have my alarm go off then back to sleep then up again and again it was exhausting. And not to mention the vet bills and scary ER visits. I love him so much but I won’t ever do it again probably. He’s 8 and his breed lives up to 14-17 years. Do I regret getting him though? Definitely not I love him more than anything. But it honestly is a huge handful.♥ 19source record 369
100%. Love my dog and wouldn’t trade her, but man is it a complication when you need to be gone for any length of time beyond a few hours.♥ 3source record 576
This is my biggest irritation. I hate worrying about rushing home to take them out. I hate being leashed like that to the bowel movements of an animal that only occasionally brings me joy. Whereas a cat does all of its work and I still get cuddles, etc. My biggest gripe with cats is that a non-social, skittish animal is more of a drain and having to live with that for 15+ years because you lost the cool cat lottery is a huge pain.♥ 3source record 596
It’s a lifestyle for sure! If you do it right, the life is centered around the dog’s schedule.♥ 2source record 1433
This is my colleague. Has a 4 year old dog (always wanted one) now she can't go on holiday as the won't/doesn't trust anyone to look after her dog, doesn't go out in the evening as the dog is never left on it's own and if left, gets sad, husband works nights so that there is someone in the house during the day etc. This is the reason why I don't/won't have a dog. I'm out during the day at work, children have sports activities a couple of evening a week, sports matches on weekends and I'd just miss being able to jump in the car and go out for the day (unplanned). She's said she's wasting her life/bored as she can't go anywhere. But part of me thinks that she should have realised this before getting a dog.♥ 7source record 1474
I love the hell out of my dog and everything but I've had it for 10 years and I do miss the ability to relax. Since I'm a male, it is my responsibility to take the dog out in the early morning and at night time when it's dark, and I basically can't just come home in the afternoon and get in my pajamas and chill for the rest of the night. I just feel the need to wear my outside clothes until that night walk. I just miss those days when I would go shopping before noon and then not leave the house until the next day. Or spend the rest of the weekend in the house.♥ 2source record 1504
I know someone who can't even see a long movie without getting a dog sitter. Multiple People whose dogs are so likely to shit on the floor that someone has to run home during lunch hour every day to walk them. Tons of people can't even get out of the house for 8 hours because dogs are so difficult.♥ 7source record 1634
For real. Me and my buddy are still great friends. 20+ years later. You can't just leave your dog inside all day when it's a bigger dog and needs to shit and eat.♥ 3source record 1744
yeah this, my friend can only eat at restaurants that have outdoor seating bc they have to bring the dog. I don’t think they’ve been to a movie theater since they got their dog. Granted it’s probably exacerbated by getting him during covid so he’s extra needy, but that made me decide not to get a dog♥ 18source record 1746
The last point is the only problem with my dog right now. He can go a long time without going out (I mean reasonably long... ten hours or so) or even asking to go out, but I can't stay overnight at a friends place, go on vacation, or schedule long shifts for work. He's never made a mess in the house, which I'm thankful for, and he's a great dog that I rescued, but he's limited my options for sure. As for the overnight thing... my friends at least love my dog and want to hang out with him more than with me and will offer to host a small party at my place instead lmao.♥ 6source record 1757
Literally, I was at my friend's graduation party (which I traveled out of state for) and watched 3 of her friends leave fairly early to attend to their dogs. Maybe they were just partied out, but I remember it not even being 7pm and people were having fun.♥ 2source record 1773
My friend can’t leave his 3 dogs for more than 2 hours because he has to cage them if he leaves the house otherwise they’ll destroy it. So if his girlfriend isn’t home then he can’t do anything. They’re all a pain in the ass and require constant attention because they’re unruly working breeds. He would never admit that he’s miserable but his whole life revolves around dogs and his late 20s and the entirety of his 30s will be devoted to these dogs. He can’t travel abroad, can’t meet his friends for a beer and can’t even lie in bed in a morning. I can’t fathom why anyone would choose that life.♥ 1source record 1814
I have a friend that owns a special needs dog. It literally shits and pisses anywhere it wants, no control. It barks constantly if left alone for longer than a few minutes. It is *incredibly* jealous if she spends attention on anything other than it. It basically rules her life. She has missed out on vacations, trips, events, *even a job* because she insists she take the dog every where she goes and others simply do not want a dog that shits, pisses and barks everywhere it goes, and some places simply aren’t a place for a dog anyways. I feel it has significantly reduced the quality of life.♥ 2source record 2071
You also can’t leave for more than 8 hours without needing a sitter or doggy daycare/dog hotel.♥ 2source record 2123
having a dog sucks. I love dogs but I also like my lifestyle and freedom. If we had a dog my husband and I couldnt randomly decide to drive halfway across the state and hike and adventure for hours because the dog couldnt be left alone that long.♥ 2source record 2224
I’ve had dogs my entire life, so was well prepared for the sacrifices and responsibility when I got my own as an adult. I absolutely adore my girl. She’s a beagle/pitt mix and sweet as can be. That being said, there are days I’d love to be able to do what I want and take as much time as I want, instead of making sure I’m home to let her out and she’s not by herself an excessive amount of time. But, at the end of the day, I agreed to the terms and conditions (and knew what they were ahead of time). She’s worth it!♥ 1source record 2568
I personally find it incredibly hard to understand why people are willing to schedule their day around the bowel movements of an animal.♥ 5source record 2671
I also hate the idea if you’re having a day out you have to think about getting back to them to take them out or feed them or whatever. Or on trips it’s a HUGE hassle.♥ 1source record 2759
I dunno how anyone does it tbh. it must be beyond exhausting to track everything daily.. food time, shit time, walk time, play time.. all while I have my own stuff going on.♥ 1source record 2836
I love my dog but it’s also so hard to go anywhere because I have to worry about what’s going on with her♥ 1source record 2871
Travel or time away from the house in general is a whole other consideration. Need to go from work straight to school pickup then to soccer practice? Better hope someone else can go let the dog out. That’s not to mention the separation anxiety, especially if you have a rescue dog. Planing a weekend trip? Better shell out the big bucks for boarding. Compare to my cat, who is perfectly fine being home alone as long as his automatic feeder goes off.♥ 1source record 3104
Yeah tell me about it. My wife works as a vet tech. We have 3 dogs that she brought home over the years as well as a cat. Listen I love them, but fuck do they make my life so much busier. Let them out in the morning, pill the ones that need medication, feed them and let them out again. Back from work let them out, more pilling, feeding and then just having them directly underneath me at all times. It's like having a new born. Don't get me started on the expenses, Purina plus subscription for 4 XL bags of food a month, medical bills plus all the toys she buys for them. Our Aussie is actively at the vet getting a dental cleaning. 3 dogs is too many, I've never had kids but I'd say 3 dogs = 1.5 kids.♥ 1source record 3117
Wanna stay out a little later with the family? Can't. You gotta walk to dog. Wanna go on vacation? You either have to find someone to dog sit or accommodate your trip to the dog. Cats have similar responsibilities but are so much easier imo.♥ 1source record 3301
I don't own a dog but my friend does. I can't count the amount of times we've had to cancel plans early because she had to go home and let her dog out of the house. Not crazy annoying but something that came to mind.♥ 1source record 3369
I love my Boston so much but yeah I’d be hesitant to own another dog again. He has so much energy and I am a couch potato. In some sense that’s good for me, but it feels unfair to him that I don’t constantly want to be active with him too. We also can’t leave him alone for longer than 4-6 hours. This is hard because I like to travel and take vacations. Can hardly do anything I want because I’m tethered to my apartment. I know that’s selfish, and again I do love him. But man, you’re right so much work. Maybe consider watching your dog while he poops and picking it up right away?♥ 1source record 3511
I love my dog more than life itself but yes having a dog controls every aspect of my life 😅♥ 1source record 3707
I did dog walking for a few years and quickly realized this. The big overall thing for me is there is a continuous countdown that restarts every time you take them outside. For 10+ years, you have to take them out every 8 hours. That alone is insane. They’re basically a kid except a kid can eventually take care of themselves. Having gotten to know probably close to a hundred dogs, I also realized most people shouldn’t even have a dog. It seems a lot of people have one just to say they have one. A lot of people were gone for over 8 hours each day and at that point it’s almost abuse if you’re making them spend half their life waiting.♥ 1source record 3839
“Ope, gotta run home and let the dog out” I could never♥ 1source record 3933
I have the same opinion, and I think it's ridiculous, how much people downplay the demand that owning a dog has. you legitimately have to live your entire life on that creature's schedule now. you need to be there every time that they need to use the bathroom. You usually can't even leave them alone for one night. etc. Cats are a million times easier. Having a dog is like having a newborn baby or toddler, having cats is like having a child or teenager. Dog's were only regular family pets because someone (wife) used to always be home to care for it. Now that everyone usually works or goes to school, the majority of dogs are seriously neglected all day.♥ 1source record 4123
yup. l love my dog but man does it suck owning him. every day for the past 10 years 3 time outside and 2 walks per day. also planning my entire day around getting home in 5-6 hours to let him out. i havent enjoyed a thunders storm in 10 years because he is traumatized by them from being a rescue. now its every time it rains. but i still love him dearly♥ 1source record 4197
From what I can tell, the hardest part of owning a dog is leaving your dog at home while you go to the grocery store. I don't own a dog, but from what I've seen, it just seems utterly impossible for so many.♥ 1source record 4377
I have a 4 lb ball and chain. I cant go anywhere because he is a total monster. I get the sentiment!♥ 1source record 4398
Dogs are like kids, unless you have a yard they can hang out in, your life now revolves around a dog. They are great for lonely people, but if you have any semblance of a life, say bye-bye to it, you gotta be home by 8p every night or you aren't getting your security deposit back.♥ 1source record 4489
Am a dog owner and yeah owning a dog can be a handful sometimes. Like a lot of other owners in this thread, I will echo that I do love my dog but I am not sure I will own another. I can't really do anything immediately after work because I have to let the dog out and instead of getting ready in the morning I'm at the mercy of when my dog wants to use the bathroom before I can leave... longest amount of waiting has been 20 minutes because we couldnt find the most special patch of grass. I factor that time in but man I would love to sleep instead lol. Then there's the guilt that they're just sitting at home waiting while I'm out of the house. So yeah, I get it. For me the ups outweighs the down but it's a lot sometimes.♥ 1source record 4852
Never had kids, and I always wanted a dog and finally got one at 31, a black lab. It’s hard to imagine what it’s like without previously having one, or kids. They are always there. You have to attend to every one of their needs and most of their wants. You have to always keep them in mind when making plans. Can’t just pick up and go out of town for the weekend. Can’t go someplace and hang out till midnight after work. Can’t spend the night somewhere. Not without making arrangements for the dog. They can be demanding, especially once a routine is established, and it’s worse the smarter they are, and the more finely tuned their internal clocks are. Meal times were inviolate. I walked him every night around 9. He learned that. Around 830, he’d start nudging my feet while I sat on the couch. By 9, he’d be practically freaking out, almost biting my feet and tearing my shoes up unless I’d get up, put my shoes on, and take him out. One morning I woke up early and could not get back to sleep so I decided to take him on a bonus morning walk. That suddenly became my new wake up routine. Couldn’t sleep past 6-630 anymore. Have to rearrange the house, dog-proof it. Had to get a commercial style garbage can for the kitchen with the hinged door on it because he would tear into it looking for anything that smelled good. One day we were out for a walk and he had a hard time pooping. Eventually he does and out comes one of those little pads they put in the bottom of a package of meat. Lucky he didn’t get bound up and die. Constantly having to get more food and treats. And the vet visits. One dark and rainy night after a walk, I dried his fur and paws off with a towel before going back inside. The towel came away bloody from one paw, so off to the emergency vet we go. She said it looked like he lacerated himself on a piece of broken glass that he must have stepped on somewhere. So that was $250 out the door for exam, meds, and sutures, then another chunk to remove them later (this was before dissolving sutures). And the regular checkups aren’t cheap either. Being a responsible dog owner is a tough commitment, no question. But for all that I wouldn’t give up a moment with him or any of the little dudes I’ve had since him. The way he’d sit in the front seat of the car all upright, watching the world pass by through the windows and would know to lean into the turns just makes my heart sing after all these years.♥ 1source record 4859
As a long time dog owner who loves her dogs, you ain't wrong. There's also the issue that you can't just go out for the night and not worry about them- we don't leave our dogs alone for more than a few hours at a time so someone has to check in on them and let out/feed them. Same as the work day- someone in our family goes home every day at lunch to let them out. They have to stay in kennels while alone or they will do very stupid and destructive things. My dogs are greyhounds; they have a high prey drive and are wicked fast, but also have very thin, fragile skin and are easily hurt. They can never be off leash in an un-gated area, and they want to eat anything smaller than them. One of them will eat things he shouldn't just for attention. The other one will tear the house apart if there is a fly in there- she will literally climb the walls to try to catch it. They like to eat a lot of grass and then throw it up. I love them so much. They're very much worth it, but it can be a lot sometimes. I also love the breed, but I'm working on convincing my husband that our next dog should be small. I want something I can pick up and take with me, something a more manageable size that doesn't pose so much of a risk to itself and other animals.♥ 0source record 5379

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Holidays, boarding and the trips not taken63 index entriesWhere the schedule turns into a budget line, with the boarding and sitter prices attached.
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Situation: Costing a holiday when the dog cannot come and cannot be left

Why readers chose it: 63 records where the schedule becomes a price. Boarding is quoted at $45 to $50 a night, $300 a week, $2,500 for a week of in-home sitting, and €600 for a month with relatives; one commenter puts a $700 surcharge on a two-week trip before anything else is booked. Boarding also generates its own requirements — another $400 of shots in one case, and one commenter reports a medical emergency every single time they board. The softer version is a holiday taken but spent worrying. The hardest version is not going: nine years without travel in one record, a decade of missed hiking and camping in another, and several couples who now holiday separately so somebody is always home.

What readers reported: I agreed with the extra travel expense. It's at least $50 per day for boarding. A two week trip gets a bonus cost of at least $700 when dog boarding is needed.

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I hate that I wasted a decade of my pre-kid life by not being able to go hiking, camping, or other vacations because of my dogs. So many missed opportunities and experiences. Either can't find sitters or too expensive to afford it. I love dogs but never again.

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The amount of stuff my friend missed out on cause he "had to go home to his dog" is insane and always bummed us out. But that's what some people choose. Also I could never own one cause I just travel for 2 weeks at a time sometimes and I'm not paying even more money for boarding. Edit: we have been and still are friends 20+ years later. All your assumptions are hilarious. He has a dog and lived alone most the time. That's comes with responsibility obviously. He's not missing anything important. Just chilling with the boys. Obviously over 20+ years it's gonna happen a bunch, that's just life.

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Yea my dog is no longer a puppy. He's also dumb af. And on vacations it costs to board him. But my daughter loves him so screwed til nature does its thing.

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I love my dogs, but once they are gone I don’t think I will be getting more. Between extreme codependency (on each other), crippling anxiety for one, and hyperactivity (at 9) with the other, vacations are impossible without spending hella $$$ on someone to house sit the whole time. But I do love them very much.

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I have a dog sitter who is certified in CPR for animals. She's great with my dog and she knows how to care for my bearded dragon. If it wasn't for her I would never be able to go on vacations. I fly for free and use points for hotel stays so the biggest cost I have is the pet sitter.♥ 6source record 29
Yeah the worst is figuring out what to do with them when you want to go somewhere (and can't bring them).♥ 14source record 30
This is why I haven’t been able to travel for the past 9 years. I will always choose my pups first but it is definitely a sacrifice!♥ 16source record 115
“I can never travel overnight because I need to find a dog sitter or board them. Oh and if I board them, suddenly they need another $400 in shots, plus the boarding fee”. Like fuck man, I love our pets but god damn if it isn’t annoying sometimes. At least with the cat he can generally be left alone since we have a litter robot. As long as he has access to food and water, he’s pretty chill and doesn’t destroy shit.♥ 3source record 283
I agreed with the extra travel expense. It's at least $50 per day for boarding. A two week trip gets a bonus cost of at least $700 when dog boarding is needed.♥ 4source record 296
The amount of stuff my friend missed out on cause he "had to go home to his dog" is insane and always bummed us out. But that's what some people choose. Also I could never own one cause I just travel for 2 weeks at a time sometimes and I'm not paying even more money for boarding. Edit: we have been and still are friends 20+ years later. All your assumptions are hilarious. He has a dog and lived alone most the time. That's comes with responsibility obviously. He's not missing anything important. Just chilling with the boys. Obviously over 20+ years it's gonna happen a bunch, that's just life.♥ 137source record 368
Yeah, we travel sometimes for up to a month, and I'm not taking a dog with me on transcontinental flights. Besides the expense factor of boarding/sitting, it's just cruel to the dog if for too long: at a certain point they just think you abandoned them and aren't coming back.♥ 8source record 370
Wait until you need/want to travel, you'll have to pay a dog sitter. I will proudly never own a dog.♥ 14source record 432
Every single time we board our dogs, some medical emergency occurs.♥ 7source record 570
Which is why we never board our dog. And never get to go anywhere… I didn’t mind with my last dog, but the rebound dog is working my last nerve and it’s been a few months.♥ 5source record 571
Or when you go on vacation and because you have no one else you spend more per night for his boarding than you do your own hotel stays. He is my best and pretty much only friend in the world so worth every cent.♥ 2source record 582
I used to have to go to two ATMs on the way to pick my dog up after vacation, because the cost of the dog sitter was more than one ATMs cash withdrawal limit. sooooooo much money.♥ 2source record 585
I hate that I wasted a decade of my pre-kid life by not being able to go hiking, camping, or other vacations because of my dogs. So many missed opportunities and experiences. Either can't find sitters or too expensive to afford it. I love dogs but never again.♥ 2source record 606
And then clean the whole house and put everything away as well as pack for vacation. It’s exhausting. I used to have a smaller dog and didn’t trust or like the idea of boarding. But the pet sitters I had turned out to be pretty lame too usually. One canceled two days in while we were in Europe! Then I also brought my dog on the plane a few times, but it’s another $250 each way international. We don’t have a pet now for these reasons, but I also want one for my teen.♥ 1source record 994
You didn’t mention the stress and expense of a sitter when you travel. That’s the main reason I stay away from owning a dog. Also, I like nice stuff.♥ 9source record 1925
You forgot to mention finding a pet sitter anytime you need to go over night somewhere. It’s awful♥ 3source record 1943
The worst is trying to plan a vacation as a dog owner. I dread the question "are the dogs coming?" I get from my wife when we're planning a road trip.♥ 3source record 1949
Don’t forget needing a sitter when you go out of town!♥ 3source record 1950
Can’t travel unless you bring them with you or have someone to watch them either♥ 2source record 2011
Can't plan any trips without first thinking where does the dog go in the meanwhile♥ 2source record 2211
Wait until you get hit with vet bills. Or when you want to go on vacation and the dogs “kennel” costs as much as your hotel.♥ 2source record 2240
I despise paying a $300 per week kennel fee when I go on vacation. It’s absurd.♥ 1source record 2341
And try going on holidays.♥ 1source record 2507
They are bad if you want to travel or be out of the house too. Got to board it for vacations or find a sitter and pay hundreds more. Got to get home to let them out.♥ 1source record 2536
Those aren’t the worst of reasons honestly. Our dogs have amounted probably thousands in Kennel fees just so we can go to places. Then our dogs specifically never stopped having accidents at home - one regularly eats stuff from the floor and the other one has very flimsy stomach so both often have the runs and or vomit on my floors. Ine of the dogs we can’t take anywhere - he is too territorial and wants to attack and nips at anybody who walks close to us. The same dog constantly sheds all year around. I haven’t had one day without having to vacuum the damn house. It’s exhausting♥ 1source record 2813
Totally get this. I have two dogs and love then to death. But it’s constant responsibility. And impossible to travel.♥ 1source record 2839
Whats also annoying is having to plan trips around them. Not even just long 5 day vacations, but anything over a typical 8hr work day you have to plan for them to be taken care of. It's exhausting not to mention expensive. There's been so many trips we've opted not to do because we couldn't find a sitter, didnt want to pay $50/night per dog for boarding, or simply just didnt want to pack up all the dogs and their stuff in a car and drive. Not to mention one of my dogs get car sick and throws up after 30 minutes.♥ 1source record 2913
I feel this in my bones. I love dogs. But man, we have 3 family members with them. My in-laws think theirs is their best child, so they baby her in a way they didn't their children. They will rarely take a vacation together because it requires leaving the dog, so my mother-in-law will frequently go away without my father-in-law. When they need to go away, one of them will drive 3 hours to us, drop the dog off, then drive 3 hours back, pick the other up, then drive 90 minutes to the airport. They have completely shifted their travel life around this dog. And yes, it is possible to have a dog and not be this particular, but you still need to plan travel very carefully. 2) My sister has the sweetest dog ever. The absolute type that thinks every single person is their best friend at first sight. But they lose so much spontaneity. Can't easily go on vacation. Can't easily go to their in-laws for any extended time because their dog is territorial so my sister can't bring hers, meaning overnight stays are out. The dog has destroyed things just by wagging its tail. It once ate a bee and cost over a grand in vet bills because it was a holiday weekend. 3) My sister-in-law got a dog at the start of the pandemic. She had a good remote job and was living alone. That job got outsourced and she had to move across the country, meaning driving thousands of miles with the dog. She's currently living in our basement. When she steps out the dog howls for her, because it has severe separation anxiety - they've really rarely been separated. But remote jobs are fewer these days. We want her to have a way to make money while with us, but we also can't have a dog howling while we work. She's also likely to move back to NYC when she does get work, and how will that work? Most apartments don't want dogs, and she'll need a roommate or 3, and finding ones in a place cool with dogs and all the roommates cool with a new dog will dramatically limit options. Especially if the separation anxiety still exists. Dogs are the best, but if your life has any instability becomes 1000x harder when you also have to account for a pet. And yes, vacations count as that instability. My wife and I would absolutely love to have one, but we also are fortunate to do 2 week adventure vacations, and want to do those while young and mobile. We wouldn't be able to if we also had a dog.♥ 1source record 3017
For me it’s the travel. It makes planning trips so much more annoying. I can’t just casually go somewhere for a weekend, nooooo gotta plan ahead to get a sitter♥ 1source record 3098
Another things that sucks is that if you go on vacation you have to find someone to take care of them.♥ 1source record 3130
You didn't even mention the hassle of getting someone to watch them or paying out the ass for a kennel every time you go on vacation or away for a weekend.♥ 1source record 3175
I love my German Shepherd, he turns 9 this year and I've raised him as a puppy. He might be the only dog I own, while it was fun, it requires -so- much work to keep their quality of life up. Expensive shots, checkups, god forbid there is ever any surgeries needed, that'll be thousands. The largest part though? The inability to travel without a sitter. If you can't find someone to reliably check on them multiple times a day, which is a larger ask, not to mention trusting them with everything else in your house, your travel is now severely limited. Compared to Cats that can generally go a few days with proper feeders, etc. It's just, a bit much. Also folks, please know, that pets are like kids in regards to keeping people in poverty. If you are already struggling, please do not get a dog.♥ 1source record 3272
I work full remote in a house with a large garden, so of course I have considered getting a dog many times. The one thing that is keeping me out of it is that I want to be able to leave the house for the weekend, or travel for longer time whenever I want, which is impossible with a dog unless someone you trust is willing to look after them and lives nearby which is not my case. All the other points you mentioned are also extremely valid of course, but to me they are a big blocker when you need to go anywhere, especially if you don't travel by car.♥ 1source record 3350
Biggest issue is travel… cant vacation for a long time or a distance…♥ 1source record 3397
When you own one alone, good luck traveling without the added expense of boarding them or hounding (pun intended) family to watch them.♥ 1source record 3430
Every time I think about getting one I remeber how my dad and his wife haven't left our town in years because they can't leave their dogs. Everything in their life is based on their dogs and they have spent so much money on them. They had to spend thousands to artificially turf the backyard because the dogs tore up the grass and were bring in dirt constently. They put them in doggy daycare anytime they leave the house for more than a few hours. I often say dogs are more of a responsibility than kids once they are past the toddler years.♥ 1source record 3443
I agree honestly. Everyone told me I wouldn’t want to do it. And they were right. One big thing op is leaving out is the inability to leave whenever you want without having to find someone to watch the pet♥ 1source record 3527
For me it’s finding someone to watch my dog while I’m traveling. I have a Velcro Great Dane and she can’t be left alone at night but no one wants to watch my horse for the weekend 😭♥ 1source record 3555
try going on holiday. You have to pay for 2 hotels. One for you and your family, and one for the DOG AT A DOG HOTEL!♥ 1source record 3590
Dog ownership sucks. Good luck going on vacation.♥ 1source record 3618
When you get a good deal on a vacation but then need to pay for a dog sitter and it costs you more and you'd rather just stay home... I love my dog, but i'm tired boss.♥ 1source record 3659
Honestly, yes. Pet sitting is god damn expensive. Everything in my schedule revolves around their schedule. Love the fuckers tho.♥ 1source record 3703
Add to the list the constant need for a sitter.♥ 1source record 3841
Being able to travel without having to think about how the pet will be cared for has put me off taking on various types of pets. Or figuring out travel with a dog specifically can be tough as well. Then theres the surprise vet bills that seem to always be catastrophic even with pet insurance. This is why I love aquariums. Generally easy to care for once established, and and depending on the set up can be very forgiving if you lapse on maintenance every so often.♥ 1source record 3852
Biggest issue with dogs is that the world is made for people and not dogs. You are severely limited on travel, etc, unless you pay up for doggy hotels and shit. They get old. Human like diseases. We had a family dog with cataracts, high blood pressure, a thyroid issue, and cancer. It’s limiting lifestyle wise. And you get attached the same.♥ 1source record 3880
My biggest gripe, besides the hair, smell, barking, drooling, grooming, and eating my food, is needing prior arrangements just to go on any sort of vacation♥ 1source record 3947
I love my dogs, but once they are gone I don’t think I will be getting more. Between extreme codependency (on each other), crippling anxiety for one, and hyperactivity (at 9) with the other, vacations are impossible without spending hella $$$ on someone to house sit the whole time. But I do love them very much.♥ 1source record 3980
Having to book your dog's holiday alongside your own holiday fucking sucks - a week in kennels for them could be a weekend trip for you. That said, people who take their dogs on holiday with them are also insane - you can't do anything without having to think about the bloody dog too. Our dog is incredibly low-key too so going to anyone's house when they have energetic dogs is a mind fuck. No way, give me a sleepy old soul that keeps to themselves.♥ 1source record 4021
I love dogs. Grew up with them but now I travel all over the world. Way too much work trying to take a dog along.♥ 1source record 4042
Have a cavalier. Love him to death and he bring me wife and I so much joy, but I'll never get a dog again. We like to travel and the cost of having to leave him somewhere adds up. We go to Mexico for a month every year and we leve him with relatives. It's cost €600 for the month, which is a good price, bit still. Add that to the costs of the trip and it's high.♥ 1source record 4060
Wait til you ever want to go out of town♥ 1source record 4070
Yea my dog is no longer a puppy. He's also dumb af. And on vacations it costs to board him. But my daughter loves him so screwed til nature does its thing.♥ 1source record 4250
I have a 13 year old dog who I adore but boy am I looking forward to no longer being a dog owner. Everything is so expensive and it’s almost impossible to plan any sort of travel. I don’t have anyone I can ask to look after her whilst I’m away so inevitably have to book a dog boarder to stay in my house. Last time it cost me $2500 for a week. Gone are the days you can just choose to go on a day trip or something without a bit of thought around how the dog will be walked. Don’t even get me started on the vet bills.♥ 1source record 4291
Vacations are the worst. Most places (hotels) dont let you bring average or bigger sized dogs and bigger cities can get overwhelming with people for them. So most of the time if you want to go somewhere you have to search for someplace to stay where they will let you bring your dog and MOST of the time that place is a few miles from your destination. So prepare yourself to use the car for almost anything.♥ 1source record 4302
I have a dog. He will be the last. Same goes with my cat. We are trapped by this animal. Wife wants to travel but we cant leave the dog because he is untrusting with strange people and needs kapra for his seziures. And no one is giving him hismedicine except me or her. We dont have family to leave him with or friends. Its all just too much♥ 1source record 4305
The biggest burden to me is having to consider the dog for every plan you make. You can't just spontaneously decide on an overnight trip because you've got to board the dog. Vacation costs include putting the dog up for a week somewhere.♥ 1source record 4362
You will never travel anywhere without either owing someone big time to watch the dog, paying out the ass, and/or worrying about the dog the whole time.♥ 1source record 4519
You missed the big one. It's an extra travel consideration. Do you drive and take them with you? Do you pay extra to fly them out? Do you get a dog sitter, who may not properly care for them? Or do you take them to a kennel, which can get pricey depending on how long you're gone for. That, and then depending on the dog's personality they can panic real fucking hard due to separation anxiety.♥ 1source record 4523
I mean all of this can go away with training and being attentive for bathroom breaks, the one thing I’ve experienced that sucks no matter what dog I’ve had, if traveling. Like boarding is expensive af and traumatizing for them and dog sitters are insanely entitled and too personal.♥ 1source record 4540
With you. You didn’t even mention that leaving town or even spending the night somewhere becomes a complete hassle. You have to arrange for a sitter or someone to check in. It gets fucking expensive and is so annoying. I have grown to love the dog my wife brought into our relationship but owning a dog blows ass.♥ 1source record 4693
You think it sucks yet you have a grandmother to watch her over? Imagine not taking vacation or making dire choices about your vacation based on where your dog can or cannot go. Or any weekend trip for that matter, even afternoon grocery shopping. Also, wait for vet bills to start coming it, they are pretty regular "occurrence" with older dogs. You can work on poop with diet, and you should walk your dog every morning and afternoon/evening where the dog also poops and you trash it immediately. They get used to that routine pretty fast and they love walks. On that note, most people get a dog because they want to be more active.♥ 1source record 4785
For me it’s wanting to go on trips and travel but needing to figure out arrangements for my Great Dane is not so great♥ 1source record 4811
You got lucky, my cat would have been so sad- she really loved being around people. I usually had sitters stay with her if my roommate at the time wasn't available, even if I was only away for 2 nights. My dog was small enough I would fly with her when I would travel, the cost of her ticket was usually cheaper than boarding or a sitter & she was too needy for me to feel comfortable asking a roommate to watch her for more than a night. They're both gone now - dog died around 10, the cat was 23, & I am thoroughly enjoying the lack of responsibility.♥ 1source record 5101

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The puppy months17 index entriesThe one phase nearly everybody agrees is temporary, and the sleep it costs while it lasts.
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The puppy months

17 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: The first six to twelve months, before any of it settles

Why readers chose it: 17 records, and they are the most cheerfully agreed-on in the corpus: several commenters who otherwise defend dog ownership say flatly that they do not like puppies. The costs named are sleep — getting up twice a night, standing outside in a storm at three in the morning waiting for a dog to urinate — and unbroken supervision, with the crate described as the only break available. Two parents who have raised both say the puppy was harder than the newborn. The card is also the only burden in this article with a stated end: almost everyone in it describes a phase that passed, which is precisely what the senior-years records do not.

What readers reported: I like dogs but puppies come straight from hell. My last one I remember standing outside with him in the middle of the night in a storm crying because I was so tired and he wouldn't pee.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I disagree 🤣 so much. I had a horrible pregnancy, labor and postpartum. I thought I was gonna die of exhaustion. My whole body was wacko and hurt so much. I was like hyper vigilant of my kid. Mother nature took control of me. You know mama bear yeah that is me. holly. Anyways, I got a pup now and I was a bit afraid after my experience with my kid. It is the easiest ride ever. My body doesn't hurt plus. My mind is calm plus. It is so easy lol. I guess it depends on temperament. I did research and made sure to get something chill

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I was so excited to finally get a dog. I love him and he's well taken care of, but never again. And I don't know why anyone likes puppies. That was terrible. Again, adorable, but what a nightmare.

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I think puppies are worse than babies and no one can tell me otherwise. I dated someone with a boxer puppy, and it was hell on Earth with that lil dementor. i have never had either. Babies AT LEAST shit in diapers most of the time and not the floor. And you dont have to walk them in the freezing cold for them to come back inside to just shit under your bed. Nor will babies gobble down your chili cheese coney when you turn your back for 5 seconds. Nor do babies eat your things.

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I was so excited to finally get a dog. I love him and he's well taken care of, but never again. And I don't know why anyone likes puppies. That was terrible. Again, adorable, but what a nightmare.

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I find puppies and untrained large dogs exhausting. Small dogs can be loud, but you can easily pick them up. Well trained large older dogs are more manageable. A puppy and a toddler at the same time? Nahhh, I wouldn’t dare.

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I watched my friend’s puppy for a week and it was absolutely toddler lite. It would occasionally get quiet and the puppy wouldn’t be in direct line of sight and it’s like OH NO WHAT DID HE GET INTO. Literally couldn’t leave him alone unless he was crated which he couldn’t be crated for too long because he had a tiny bladder too so.♥ 3source record 258
Puppies are the worst. We didn't even get to enjoy how cute she was because it was constant stress. It didn't help that she never napped. She had so much fomo that the only break we got for the first 6 months was in her crate.♥ 3source record 259
I think puppies are worse than babies and no one can tell me otherwise. I dated someone with a boxer puppy, and it was hell on Earth with that lil dementor. i have never had either. Babies AT LEAST shit in diapers most of the time and not the floor. And you dont have to walk them in the freezing cold for them to come back inside to just shit under your bed. Nor will babies gobble down your chili cheese coney when you turn your back for 5 seconds. Nor do babies eat your things.♥ 57source record 420
I like dogs but puppies come straight from hell. My last one I remember standing outside with him in the middle of the night in a storm crying because I was so tired and he wouldn't pee.♥ 34source record 421
Strong agree. I have had 10+ dogs and currently have a 1 year old human. Every single dog was more difficult than the baby. Baby was a walk in the park after raising puppies.♥ 19source record 422
I adore adult dogs, but puppies are A LOT. They're impossibly cute, but soooo much work! It's nice to be able to hand them back to someone else after a bit ;)♥ 3source record 760
We got a new Great Pyrenees pup that was 3 months when my daughter was 3 months! My husband was military and flew nights and i had terrible anxiety and wanted a family guardian! I thought it would be easy since I was up every couple hours to feed our daughter! My God, months 3-6 I don’t think i ever slept! He’s the best boy now but would never recommend 😂♥ 2source record 1426
My German shepherd passed and because my wife was off for the summer we got a puppy. Golden retriever this time since my wife’s always wanted one. Cute as HELL. They make em this cute so you don’t hate them. Mouthiest dog I’ve ever encountered. He wants to bite everything, including your limbs. Every night at 7pm he turns into a demon. All that aside he’s now almost 5 months and he’s a dream. I’ve never felt more love from an animal. He is so handsome too and has been very easy to train. Loves to snuggle. I had him in my office yesterday and he was the talk of the town and really well behaved. It’s definitely breed dependent. My shepherd had many other (sometimes more dangerous) quirks but I find this retriever to be way easier.♥ 1source record 2527
Try an insane Lab/Collie mix puppy that takes 3 adults to manage. 🤣 He is my fourth puppy. 2nd Lab-mix. The first was crazy for 3 years. This one was exponentially worse, blessedly only lasted 15 months. We joke about taking those little orange flags to put in the ground at 💩 spots for easy clean up of the yard.♥ 1source record 2627
We got a puppy 6 months ago after our lab passed in last year. Honestly I have had dogs in the past but this one is next level. We have taken her to training classes they literally had to put a barrier up bc she would not calm down barking and going nuts. She gets so crazy i cant take her on walks bc she is too strong and i had one experience where I didn't think i could get her home. We have tried so many different methods with walking training she knows the commands but ignores them when she doesn't want to listen and gets past her threshold seeing another dog squirrel or bird. Chews everything even though I get her bones and toys all the time . Follows me everywhere looking at me like what is the next entertainment i am providing to her. Barks ferociously and high pitched loudly when anyone walks by running vack and forth. Like i understand dogs bark this is wayyy more than that. Will hardly go in the yard by herself bc she is so clingy and then has actually dug holes under our fence running through the neighborhood when she will go out by herself. Then she will do this little whine cry at the door when she is outside for 5 seconds as though she was neglected even though she barks like a full grown beast dog at other times. I sound like an ass but I swear I am a dog person but this one has got me in a bad way like I am drained. Of course my son loves her and I don't think i have it in me to give her up it is such a tough situation. We put her in a day care once or twice a week which gives slight relief but is also expensive.♥ 2source record 2655
got a pit/boxer mix 6 weeks ago. it was 8 weeks old. tiny. Quiet. Neat. The poops have gotten bigger. he doesn't like being in his crate, and he's almost ready for a bigger crate. Training him to use the puppy pads is 20% cool, 80% headache. He's got an 80% success rate for urine. His poops have a 50% success rate. He is a woman's dog. My fiancee is depressed because she loves cuddling him, he loves cuddling her, and he loves pissing her off by not listening. I say it this way; "When he's not the cuddliest little bastard on the planet, he's busy being a Gold Plated Pain In My Ass. I named the dog Indiana. Indiana Bones. EDIT: THE LADIES LOVED IT, BUT HAVING THESE FAT FINGERS IS A CURSE.♥ 1source record 2823
Puppies are the worst. Prepare to have your stuff chewed up and poop and pee accidents in your house all the time.♥ 1source record 2916
When I got a puppy, I had never owned a dog before. Nothing could have prepared me for the puppy stage. I had SO MANY REGRETS. It was so much more work than I ever anticipated. Fast forward half a year, my best friend starts talking about wanting a puppy. I tried to warn her and manage her expectations. She got one anyway. On night one, she called me crying, talking about how overwhelmed she was. Major I told you so moment. For the record, my dog turns five in a couple weeks and is as chill as ever now. I can’t imagine my life without him!♥ 1source record 3437
Yeah I know. My wife and I got a puppy just over a month ago and it's so much effort. We have to get up twice in the middle of the night to let her out to go to the toilet because she's too young to hold her bladder overnight. We also have to put her away for a nap for 2 hours after about an hour awake otherwise she gets 'overtired' and bitey. We have to do training with her every day on so many different areas (Which we expected, but it's still something we have to do). We have to constantly police her and stop her from chewing things she shouldn't. A friend of my wife said that in her opinion, a puppy is far more work than a newborn baby and I'd probably agree.♥ 1source record 3512
I was so excited to finally get a dog. I love him and he's well taken care of, but never again. And I don't know why anyone likes puppies. That was terrible. Again, adorable, but what a nightmare.♥ 1source record 3883
I absolutely adore my dog. Puppies are hard. He took a fuck ton of work to turn out the way he did. He is the loveliest little couch potato family dog nowadays at 13 but he required a ton of exercise and socializing as a puppy and young adult. A TON. My wife really wants another dog but I have said I’m not ready for the commitment against right now. We are almost there but not quite.♥ 1source record 4010
I find puppies and untrained large dogs exhausting. Small dogs can be loud, but you can easily pick them up. Well trained large older dogs are more manageable. A puppy and a toddler at the same time? Nahhh, I wouldn’t dare.♥ 1source record 4386

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Working breeds, and the hours they actually need31 index entriesOwners of herding and hunting breeds putting a number on it — miles, hours, or a job the dog can actually do.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Working breeds, and the hours they actually need

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Working breeds, and the hours they actually need

31 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Owning a dog that was bred to work all day in a house where nobody works it

Why readers chose it: 31 records that put numbers on exercise. A border collie owner reports three to five miles of walking a day plus two high-energy fetch sessions and indoor play; another describes a morning walk, training, a physically demanding job, then an hour of fetch and an hour-long off-leash hike. One dog's GPS collar logged 700 minutes of activity in a day against a recommended 120. The corrections inside the card are as useful as the claims: several owners argue that running a working dog for miles conditions it to need more, and that mental work and an actual job do more than distance. Border collies, Australian shepherds, huskies, malinois and corgis are named again and again, usually by the people who own them.

What readers reported: I got a border collie as a failed emergency foster when my neighbor died. He's about 5 and needs 3-5 miles of walks per day, plus 2 10-minute high energy fetch sessions + indoor playtime where we tug and chase and hide and seek. Every day, unless we're doing something special like a hike or going to a house where he can run around with another dog in the yard. And he's a CHILL border collie.

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My nan had a corgi and a border collie. They were sweetest, gentlest cuddle-bum dogs you've ever met. That said, my nan had the magical ability to completely shut anyone down with a mere facial expression, human or animal. God help you if you ever forced her to vocalise her displeasure. And, like a postie, neither snow nor rain nor heat nor glom of night could stay that woman from exhausting them with walks. I later realised that my nan's corgi and border collie were definitely representative of the exception, not the rule.

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Corgis, Border Collies, and Australian Shepherds, some of the most high energy dogs you will ever find. Thery were all bred for herding cattle. Peoepl definitiely need to understand this before owning one.

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Same goes for Border Collie. People get them because they’re cute but good lord do they have non stop energy. You need to run them for MILES every day to keep them happy.

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Same with Catahoulas Loved my boy but damn...No I do not want to play frisbee as soon as we are home from the 7 mile run. This theme runs with all working dogs. They need to have intense physical and mental stimulation to keep them happy (and tired).

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I had an Australian shepard. There was very little time for me. It he wasn't sleeping, he was sitting there staring at me. Always wanting something. Would have to take him for three walks a day so his energy would be spent. So many vet bills for random weird issues. The way he took off running affected/hurt his toes and they had to be amputated. Would always get infections on his tail. Barked at absolutely every single noise with his high, shrill sheep dog voice. Loved to roll in dead fish whenever possible. Couldn't handle being around other dogs. Or humans. Would eat frozen bones even if his mouth bled. Fucking exhausting, absolutely. But I loved him and miss him.

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Same goes for Border Collie. People get them because they’re cute but good lord do they have non stop energy. You need to run them for MILES every day to keep them happy.♥ 82source record 47
My nan had a corgi and a border collie. They were sweetest, gentlest cuddle-bum dogs you've ever met. That said, my nan had the magical ability to completely shut anyone down with a mere facial expression, human or animal. God help you if you ever forced her to vocalise her displeasure. And, like a postie, neither snow nor rain nor heat nor glom of night could stay that woman from exhausting them with walks. I later realised that my nan's corgi and border collie were definitely representative of the exception, not the rule.♥ 37source record 48
100% they were so well-behaved because she was so committed to exercising them.♥ 5source record 49
Yep. My roommate has a corgi he often leaves for 12+ hours at a time, I'm too physically disabled to give it the exercise it needs- and it's always very apparent in his behavior when he has good exercise. Most of the reactivity, and barking particularly goes away.♥ 4source record 50
Eh, we have an Aussie. She's 90% couch potato and she's the farm dog variety which is supposed to be closer to a border collie. I still walk her twice a day but normally I don't even know where she is b/c she's off in a closet sleeping somewhere. She loves the longer walks and all, and my husband does play about 15-20 minutes of frisbee with her at night, but I wouldn't put her in the same category as border collies.♥ 4source record 52
Aussie owner here. Can’t agree enough. Dogs is nine years old and is finally taking it from energy level 10 down to maybe an 8.♥ 3source record 53
I got a border collie as a failed emergency foster when my neighbor died. He's about 5 and needs 3-5 miles of walks per day, plus 2 10-minute high energy fetch sessions + indoor playtime where we tug and chase and hide and seek. Every day, unless we're doing something special like a hike or going to a house where he can run around with another dog in the yard. And he's a CHILL border collie.♥ 5source record 54
Absolutely. Everytime I'm there I ask to go on a walk with him. We go out for an hour and at the end of the walk he is such a good boy. He is so smart and really wants to learn.♥ 2source record 80
We adopted a "Tan Dog" that turned out to be a Black Mouth Cur. You want to talk about a dog that is a "Go Dog". He would go on a 4 mile hike in Florida in August without thinking twice about it. I definitely had to rearrange my scheduling to carve out 2+ hours a day for walking. He lived till he was 16 and on his last day, still put on two miles.♥ 4source record 92
Border collie owner here. No kids. Wouldn’t trade him for anything in the world. I could never do it all alone. My husband is my dog’s primary caretaker. I still help out a lot because the old puppy needs lots of attention and outdoors time. He’s a working dog. We play games every day and we have to keep him very busy or he’ll quite literally start pulling up the flooring of our apartment. I love him so much though and it’s so worth it to have him in our lives.♥ 3source record 663
Check out [[site removed]]([link removed] As this post shows, border collies need more than just running. If you don't engage the behavior they were bred for, they and you will both be miserable.♥ 3source record 664
We use a herding ball to help with that behavior. I'm his 3rd owner and the only one who does proper exercise with him, so he's doing really well. When we do family events, he keeps an eye on the flock and gets his fix there. :)♥ 2source record 665
Anyone who has a border collie they exercise for miles every day is creating a monster. You’re conditioning someone to need endless running. Border collies need exercise, yeah, but they need mental stimulation and a job more than anything. They’re smart, not mindless jocks.♥ 2source record 679
Yep, border collie’s are a working breed. Just like kelpies. Built to work physically herding for hours and hours a day.♥ 2source record 683
I had a golden growing up and she was the most relaxed dog maybe barked 5 times her whole life. I got a aussie as a adult and i did my research before i got one and i knew what i was getting into or so I thought. Unless you previously owned one nothing prepares you for the amount of energy they have. I love her to death and I live on a good amount of land but she just never stops and oh boy are they velcro dogs. Sometimes i think she is basically just my shadow. Super friendly to everyone but also protective. Always gives me a chuckle when she spots deer on the property and she will run them down to the edge of the property line and just trot back so happily. They are very intelligent dogs.♥ 2source record 690
Add dachshunds to that list. Small but mighty. Mine has 2" long legs and a 4 mile walk doesn't phase him. He'll play forever. Luckily he's also happy to be lazy some days.♥ 2source record 692
I've always had border collies all through my life, and I always tell people they're a LOT of dog and to be ready for them to be nutcases until they start to settle around 2 (and even then, still high energy, just not.. crackhead energy lmao). Running them is actually less important than keeping their minds busy in my experience.♥ 1source record 733
Same with Catahoulas Loved my boy but damn...No I do not want to play frisbee as soon as we are home from the 7 mile run. This theme runs with all working dogs. They need to have intense physical and mental stimulation to keep them happy (and tired).♥ 1source record 739
YEP. I have a gsd and needs walks and exercise like an athlete. easy to train tho.♥ 1source record 743
I live in a biggish apartment complex and it kills me to watch the parade of working dogs going on their one or two short daily walks with owners who are failing them horribly. One young shepherd barks hysterically and attacks its leash from the moment it walks out the door until they drag it home. At this point its owner’s frustrated yelling is probably just the background noise of everyday life. There’s a corgi who screams and lunges at every passing car and pedestrian. A Weimaraner-looking mix that practically yanks its owner’s arm out of the socket charging after every bird it sees on its daily trek across the parking lot. A couple of overweight malamutes have just kind of given up and plod along while their owner trudges down the sidewalk staring at her phone. It absolutely breaks my damn heart. Sure, they’re not starving on the streets. I’m sure none of them lack for love or decent vet care. But they’re like a ‘pet’ wolf caged in someone’s tiny backyard - denied every physical activity they are bred for and from which they derive purpose and fulfillment. All because people cannot be bothered to do even the most basic research, or believe what they read, about the animal they clam to love. (Sorry about the wall of text. Been needing to get that off my chest for awhile now.) Edit because I will never, ever get it right the first time.♥ 1source record 745
Why does this sound exactly like my husky?🫠🤪 I love him but he’s my first dog and I’m 42 and he’s insanely difficult for me to keep up with.♥ 1source record 813
Border collie owner here. I previously owned lab mixes. I researched and knew the demands of the breed and thought I was ready. 4 years on, he successfully trained me. Seriously though, I can only imagine what a terror he would be with an owner that didn’t accept the responsibility of keeping him enriched.♥ 3source record 855
Yah this is a good one. I got a shepherd malamute mix from the animal shelter near me. I was like 21, I was big into hiking and backpacking. So me and that dog had some great times together, he got all the attention he needed I would run him on the boardwalk while riding my longboard, when it snowed I’d take him to a place to run free in it (I even occasionally let him chase deer, and a whistle would bring him back). All sounds great right? No; I got pregnant lol and a dog is as much responsibility as a small child especially a needy dog like he was. Had to give him up- found an amazing home for him with a large yard that’s all his, & no kids or other pets to compete with. The thing is I always knew I wanted children and an older wiser me would not have chosen that dog because you really can’t juggle both unless you have amazing support which I did not. Man I miss that boy though 😢♥ 3source record 858
That makes me so mad! Border collies are so energetic and cuddly little monsters. I can’t imagine having my dog and treating him like that. He’s very intelligent and has LOTS of needs. Like, today I’m literally having a “puppy and me” day where I take the responsibility off my husbands shoulder for the day and spoil the baby with lots of walkies in the mountains and exploring for treats when we get back home. All I’m saying is, guess who just woke up early on their day off to spend the whole day giving the dog attention and love. It’s me and I’m so glad that it is because he’s a precious working baby. When we first got him he had MAJOR abandonment issues. We had no idea because my husband worked from home the first two weeks we had him and no one mentioned anything at the place we got him. We went on a short three hour date and came home to a letter on our door from the neighbors and half the linoleum floor missing from our kitchen at the time. I believe my shitty dining room table lost a leg too that day. Needless to say, he needed a fair bit of training but he’s happy now. I’ve been working and my husband just returned to an outside the house job. We have no notes and our neighbors say they didn’t even know we had a dog!♥ 2source record 913
I am not a dog trainer but I agree with you 1000000%. I have a VERY high octane border collie. She’s 11 now and still gets mistaken for a 3 year old dog on the regular. I put in so much effort to training socialization and exercise when she was younger. I would walk her in the mornings, train her, go to my incredibly physically demanding job, then play fetch for an hour, THEN take her on an hour long off leash hike. And that was like baseline meeting her physical and mental exercise needs. We did dog sports as well whenever I had the time (freestyle and treibball) and she was still like owning a Ferrari with a brick taped to the gas pedal. She is also 38 pounds and cute as all heck. People who meet her now often tell me they want a border collie because they like her and think she’s cute. I am constantly having to explain that until recently she needed 4 hours a day of exercise and mental stimulation. A cute walk around the block is a joke. My ELDERLY DOG who you thought was three years old is NOT representative of the breed or even representative of the experience of owning my dog specifically!♥ 1source record 927
My wife handles like >90% of the dog related stuff but I get it. Lol my 1 year old border collie has a fancy gps collar that tracks activity and exercise. She had 700 minutes of activity the other day. The “recommended” amount was 120 or so. Absolutely insane. She’ll bring her mud covered frisbee inside and stalk you with it to demand more play♥ 1source record 3001
Omg I KNOW. I am very active and was totally committed to daily walks or runs, little did I know some dogs have INSANE exercise requirements. Thought I was adopting a lab-great dane mix who would eventually be pretty chill. Turned out she's a lab boxer mix and her first family neglected her so she's super anxious and not well socialized. She's now 8 years old now and still has major puppy energy. Despite training efforts, she still gets into the insane hyper adrenal states and just goes absolutely bonkers and nothing calms her. I love her but I wouldn't adopt her again.♥ 1source record 4024
Lmao 🤣 i feel your pain we have an 80-pound 11 month old boxer and staffordshire terrier mix. This boy would eat whole couches if we'd let him. He literally runs everyday atleast a mile and half with me walks with my SAHM wife everyday and the boy still acts like hes got to be involved in play time all the time eats cups upon cups upon cups of food daily shits bag fulls of huge turds the little man is solid muscle but man is he a high maintenence dog. Won't ever get another boxer or boxer mix in my life man. He's the best dog sweet boy is soo protective of our little one. He's genuinely a great dog but its like having a 7 year old with ADHD that shits mountains and eats more food than possible to keep up with and this inability to leave your side or sight.♥ 1source record 4064
Yea I love my mini Aussie but boy he is a working dog. He sleeps all day but 4pm to 9pm he is NON STOP.♥ 1source record 4114
I had an Australian shepard. There was very little time for me. It he wasn't sleeping, he was sitting there staring at me. Always wanting something. Would have to take him for three walks a day so his energy would be spent. So many vet bills for random weird issues. The way he took off running affected/hurt his toes and they had to be amputated. Would always get infections on his tail. Barked at absolutely every single noise with his high, shrill sheep dog voice. Loved to roll in dead fish whenever possible. Couldn't handle being around other dogs. Or humans. Would eat frozen bones even if his mouth bled. Fucking exhausting, absolutely. But I loved him and miss him.♥ 1source record 4495
I looked at that link and the game we play is basically their goalie program! He won't fetch large balls, but we play "airball" with an inflated herding ball. He stands at the top of a hill and I try to kick it past him. Sometimes he catches it, sometimes he runs it down and traps it, sometimes it goes over his head and he has to chase. but then he takes it back to his hiding spot and rolls it back down the hill to me. It's so exhausting for him to anticipate where I'm going with the ball that we limit sessions to 10 minutes at a time and then he sleeps for an hour afterward.♥ 1source record 4955

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Doing it alone: single owners, shift work and no backup28 index entriesThe same dog with no second adult in the house, and what happens when the support network moves away.
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Doing it alone: single owners, shift work and no backup

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Situation: Carrying the whole dog with no second adult in the house

Why readers chose it: 28 records about the person who is not there. Commenters describe cutting their hours and changing jobs so the dog is not alone for twelve, and building every day around a six- or eight-hour ceiling. The detail that recurs is that the arrangement worked at adoption and then changed underneath them: a support network moved away, a marriage ended, a partner died, a disability arrived, a retirement started. Several are explicit that they would not do it solo again, and one names the specific version of the guilt — knowing the dog gets less stimulation than it should because of a work schedule that cannot move.

What readers reported: Can't be away from home more than 6 hours at a time. Can't go on vacation without extensive and/or expensive arrangements. Thousands of dollars in vet fees at the very least, not to mention more if the dog needs chronic health management. I had to significantly cut my hours and change my job just so my dog doesn't have to be alone for 12 hours.

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That’s true. My ex and I both worked long hours when I had my German shepherd. She was left alone for well over 8 hours every week day. I’m retired now so the Yorkies are with me all day unless I have errands and other things going on. They’ve never been home alone for a full day.

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But it doesn't though... Two 30 minute walks fill up the bowl at the same time. Done. Personally we brushed our family dogs fur and teeth everyday but that is by no means required.

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Before my Yorkies, 20 years ago, I had one German Shepherd and 2 cats. They all slept together and played together. The two Yorkies usually do well being left in the same kennel together. I’ve never left them alone for more than 4 hours though. The German shepherd I had could be left alone with freedom to roam the house. I don’t trust my Yorkies to have freedom to roam while left alone. Not yet anyway. Edited to add that the two Yorkies don’t have an aggressive nature. They have never been aggressive towards each other. They will just ignore each other and go to their separate places. Which unfortunately is becoming too often lately.

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I’ve grown up with animals. Loved it. As a solo dad now though, I am so tired of having animals. Don’t get me wrong, I do love them. But once they pass away, I will not be getting more. I am constantly overwhelmed. My partner died this year which has made it even harder. Between the kids, the animals, work, the house upkeep, and unfortunately a merged household which I am stuck in for the foreseeable future, we now have a combo of 4 dogs and 2-3 cats at any given time. The whining, the neediness, the dogs have formed anxiety attachment issues to other family members, it’s exhausting. I don’t have the time and energy to take care of my kids, my animals, and still have energy and time to properly take care of myself. All of my time is spent taking care of others, it is beyond exhausting. I am so tired of just constantly being *needed.* There is always a need. A request. I need food, I need to go outside, I need to go potty, I need water, I need attention, I need my butt wiped / poop cleaned up / litterbox cleaned, I need I need I need. Animals are already clingy and needy, kids on top of that is just so much. Kids/animals to adults we are outnumbered 10>3 I’ve never been bothered by the care and upkeep of animals before becoming a parent. But now? I am simply spent beyond capacity. Perhaps when my kids are no longer little and need help with literally every aspect of existing, I will have the energy and patience once more, but I am looking forward to (eventually) no longer having extra lives to take care of for awhile. One of my pups passed away in 2024, he made it to 18, and passed away in my arms. He was 2 when we rescued him and I had him over half of my life, I grew up with him. I loved him dearly. Still, in his last few years caring for him became challenging. He wasn’t able to control his bowels much (if at all) and needed to be carried inside/outside every potty break. Vet bills add up as they get old too. On top of all of the care, you have yet another family member to grieve the loss of. I’ve lost so many people this year alone, I just cannot keep adding beings to my life which I know I will inevitably lose.

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I got my dog 10 years ago before I even graduated high school. Another point I guess, is that it's really hard to adapt your lifestyle changes when you have a dog.

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Also: You get attached, they live relatively young lives and die If you work from an office job, they spend 90% of their days alone, it's quite terrible

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That's exactly my point. Who the hell has the option to never leave their animal alone for more than 4 hours, usually people are working for 8 hours 5 days a week..

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Larger extended families living in one household used to be more of a thing. A lot of my friends growing up from big families had dogs growing up, wondered why I didn’t. I knew that between my single mom working and me and my sister going to school, we didn’t have the time and energy to do it. Now that they’re all grown up, moved out, and have kids of their own, none of them have dogs. Turns out it’s a lot harder when you no longer have an army of grandparents, aunts and uncles doing all the hard work taking care of the dog for you while you got to enjoy all the benefits as a kid.♥ 5source record 294
It's tough too because you can't know for sure how things will change over the dog's life. When I first got my dog I knew I had to be able to take care of him solo but I still did have a network of family and friends who could step in here and there. Couple years later and people have moved(including me), babies have been born, parents have gotten older etc. and I've gone from having 4 or 5 people I could lean on a bit if needed to basically just 1 person I can hit up in an emergency. So it's like yeah, of course don't get the dog unless you can handle it solo and I was and am prepared to handle that, but it's still tough the way things can change.♥ 4source record 295
We live with my in-laws and they wouldn’t be ok with that. No, they are not capable of doing anything beyond reinforcing bad behavior and coddling him when he has an accident inside (because they wouldn’t let him out). My problems are bigger than the dog, I know♥ 1source record 734
Before my Yorkies, 20 years ago, I had one German Shepherd and 2 cats. They all slept together and played together. The two Yorkies usually do well being left in the same kennel together. I’ve never left them alone for more than 4 hours though. The German shepherd I had could be left alone with freedom to roam the house. I don’t trust my Yorkies to have freedom to roam while left alone. Not yet anyway. Edited to add that the two Yorkies don’t have an aggressive nature. They have never been aggressive towards each other. They will just ignore each other and go to their separate places. Which unfortunately is becoming too often lately.♥ 1source record 1464
That's exactly my point. Who the hell has the option to never leave their animal alone for more than 4 hours, usually people are working for 8 hours 5 days a week..♥ 1source record 1465
That’s true. My ex and I both worked long hours when I had my German shepherd. She was left alone for well over 8 hours every week day. I’m retired now so the Yorkies are with me all day unless I have errands and other things going on. They’ve never been home alone for a full day.♥ 2source record 1514
Many do not. Most people will plan their day around making sure their dogs aren't stuck inside for a full workday (which can often include an hour or more commute on each side.) Dogs used to be left outside with a doghouse, I think that's better for them, but that's fallen out of favour.♥ 2source record 1564
The whole point is that having a dog constantly requires an adult in the household, which is a major inconvenience for a lot of households. I love my dog but realistically I'm never getting a dog again.♥ 4source record 1578
Can't be away from home more than 6 hours at a time. Can't go on vacation without extensive and/or expensive arrangements. Thousands of dollars in vet fees at the very least, not to mention more if the dog needs chronic health management. I had to significantly cut my hours and change my job just so my dog doesn't have to be alone for 12 hours.♥ 2source record 1580
Yeah I can't leave my dog every day for that long that's borderline mistreatment. I don't know where you live but a single blood work + X-ray very easily exceeds a thousand. In theory I could do the bare minimum to keep a dog alive but I'm not going to do that.♥ 1source record 1582
I got my dog 10 years ago before I even graduated high school. Another point I guess, is that it's really hard to adapt your lifestyle changes when you have a dog.♥ 5source record 1584
I think this is the crux of it. If you can spend all your time with your dog, it's easier because that's what dogs want. If you work or have kids or basically any other responsibilities, adding a dog to your life can tip you over the edge.♥ 1source record 1813
We have two cats and that can be tough enough. My in-laws have always had dogs and it’s a ball ache, I think the only reason it works is because one works nights and they have us round the corner to help when they want to go out for the night.♥ 1source record 2191
I've had dogs my entire life - I'd never do it solo. It is very restrictive to your personal life - if you have family members that are dog people - it can help when you need to travel - but I'd probably never see outside my own city If I owned a dog in a solo situation.♥ 2source record 2234
owning a dog does take alot out of you. when i lived with family it wasnt an issue since others would help out with the care. now that im living alone i have a routine for my dog since i work alot,, i feel bad somedays since he doesnt get alot of stimulation since im at work but hes also 15 now and prefers to rest anyways. hound dogs are also a rough dog to have, even more so if its a puppy. working dogs need alot of attention and stimulation or they go nuts. they need alot of training aswell. my sister basset hound will find things to chew on or somthing to bark at to entertain herself. if theres small critters around she will try and hunt them. you have to be careful with how you handle them since they are prone to injury being longer. they are super sweet dogs and smart but alot to deal with.♥ 1source record 2407
I loveee my dog. She’s my best friend. But I’m single and live alone and she’s a corgi. I spend my entire life working and taking care of her 😔 Dog daycare helps some, but it’s draining.♥ 1source record 2591
I love my dog but feel bad that I have to go to work.♥ 1source record 2797
I loved my dogs to death and would have carved out anyone's heart with a spoon if I found out they were mistreated, but having a dog/dogs while being single is rough. Also, I had the hardest time leaving them in anyone else's care because I knew they wouldn't treat them the way I did, so I literally couldn't do anything for 18 years. It's sad because those were the years that I had so much going for me and going on. Now, I don't have the dogs and just go to work and sit at home. I got guilt tripped into a cat and I would give him away in an instant....♥ 1source record 2883
I’ve mostly hated having a dog and wish to never own a dog again. I think it would be fun if you had a big house of people who all enjoyed sharing the responsibilities but when does that ever happen?♥ 1source record 3036
I'm in the same boat. We got a puppy 2 months ago, my girlfriends decision, I love him but the amount my life has changed in 2 weeks is absurd. I've had to change my entire work schedule around to ensure there's always someone home for him, I can't finish work and play video games for an hour before she comes home, I have to make sure he's okay and take him out for a walk. I was hoping it would get easier as he gets older but this thread has removed that possibility from my brain.♥ 1source record 3669
Yup! I love both dogs and cats and take care of strays in my area (feeding, taking to the vet, sometimes sheltering till they get adopted etc) but I would never get a pet fully on my own. Maybe if I had a house and partner so that we split the responsibility.♥ 1source record 3958
And most of us work and have to commute to an office, I feel bad for getting my cat nowadays. My wife and I need to drive and be away from the house 10 hours mon-fri pretty much so we got this cat and he just gets left alone all day now. He does fine, doesn't seem to have any separation anxiety (thank god) but I still feel bad that he is alone all day.♥ 1source record 4016
I always loved dogs but waited quite a while into adulthood before I got one on my own. Having one while single, especially if not financially secure, can be a massive hurdle in daily life, and long work hours and vacations really have to be factored in for pet care. Splitting the load with a partner or close-by family can keep the pet and your relationship with it healthy.♥ 1source record 4098
I'm actually getting a bit emotional reading this because it verbalizes what I feel guilty about. I LOVE my husky, she's the sweetest and coolest and funniest dog ever. But I was able-bodied and married when I adopted her. Walking and running with her was fine, and my ex-husband and I could tag team looking after her since he was unemployed. Hell, I even brought her to work because my co-workers kept begging for me to bring her. I got brain damage in the army and I can no longer walk. I'm full-time in a motorized wheelchair. I cannot drive. My husband started cheating on me a couple months into me being bedbound before things started to improve. When I divorced him, he left our two cats and husky to me. Taking care of the cats is fine....taking care of my husky is REALLY HARD now. Everything. Exercising her, planning around her, entertaining her....sometimes I have so little energy I can barely get up but I still do it for her. That can potentially be a good thing but it's HARD.♥ 1source record 4397
It really helps to have family nearby who all have dogs past and present to help with dog sitting. Lived with dogs most of my life. The dog i raised from a puppy is the most well adjusted dog I know since I know she was socialized to my lifestyle and environment. I went with a pomeranian so her messes and potential for destruction is minimal. She's easy to port around and control. Food expense is also minimal. I like cats and other animals too, but dogs in my experience are better at matching energy, mood, and reading my body language.♥ 1source record 4442
Also: You get attached, they live relatively young lives and die If you work from an office job, they spend 90% of their days alone, it's quite terrible♥ 1source record 4508
i LOVE dogs but i couldn't own one unless i had a fenced yard and a big family where everyone is willing to pitch in. it was great growing up with one in my family of 6. i'd take her on walks a few times per week. i was a kid so i wasn't the one stressing about the finances and hard decisions. but as an adult, i really would not want to have a dog by myself in an apartment. i think i would constantly feel guilty about not giving them the best life possible. i have a senior cat who came into my life unexpectedly a few years ago. it's much less stressful than a dog since he doesn't have to go outside and can be left alone for a night and be fine. i love him and pour everything into him, but i really have no idea how im going to handle him getting old and having to make choices about when to let him go. that part definitely sucks.♥ 1source record 4711
I’ve grown up with animals. Loved it. As a solo dad now though, I am so tired of having animals. Don’t get me wrong, I do love them. But once they pass away, I will not be getting more. I am constantly overwhelmed. My partner died this year which has made it even harder. Between the kids, the animals, work, the house upkeep, and unfortunately a merged household which I am stuck in for the foreseeable future, we now have a combo of 4 dogs and 2-3 cats at any given time. The whining, the neediness, the dogs have formed anxiety attachment issues to other family members, it’s exhausting. I don’t have the time and energy to take care of my kids, my animals, and still have energy and time to properly take care of myself. All of my time is spent taking care of others, it is beyond exhausting. I am so tired of just constantly being *needed.* There is always a need. A request. I need food, I need to go outside, I need to go potty, I need water, I need attention, I need my butt wiped / poop cleaned up / litterbox cleaned, I need I need I need. Animals are already clingy and needy, kids on top of that is just so much. Kids/animals to adults we are outnumbered 10>3 I’ve never been bothered by the care and upkeep of animals before becoming a parent. But now? I am simply spent beyond capacity. Perhaps when my kids are no longer little and need help with literally every aspect of existing, I will have the energy and patience once more, but I am looking forward to (eventually) no longer having extra lives to take care of for awhile. One of my pups passed away in 2024, he made it to 18, and passed away in my arms. He was 2 when we rescued him and I had him over half of my life, I grew up with him. I loved him dearly. Still, in his last few years caring for him became challenging. He wasn’t able to control his bowels much (if at all) and needed to be carried inside/outside every potty break. Vet bills add up as they get old too. On top of all of the care, you have yet another family member to grieve the loss of. I’ve lost so many people this year alone, I just cannot keep adding beings to my life which I know I will inevitably lose.♥ 1source record 4797

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The dog that needs you in the room, every minute46 index entriesThe clinginess complaint, made mostly by people who say in the same breath that they love the dog doing it.
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The dog that needs you in the room, every minute

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Situation: A dog that will not settle unless it is touching you

Why readers chose it: 46 records about attention rather than time. The word that recurs is velcro, and the specific complaint is that the dog cannot occupy itself: it stares, follows, blocks the hallway and inserts itself into anything happening in the house. Several commenters name breeds bred for exactly this — Bernese mountain dogs, golden retrievers, yorkies, whippets, cavalier crosses — and note that the trait was in the description they read before choosing. The phrasing this card produces most often is some version of loving the dog and resenting the demand simultaneously, and a second cluster reports the same discovery from outside, after a few days of house-sitting somebody else's.

What readers reported: I have two Yorkies. The neediest dogs ever. Had I known they were going to constantly be looking to me to entertain them every second of the day, I would have never adopted them. I adopted two with the expectation that they would keep each other occupied. It’s exhausting. I love them and resent them.

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My Yorkie is actually very chill and lovely. She know how to be by herself, she understands when to stop. She's collected, never broke anything, doesn't jump, doesn't bark for attention. I'm sure I won the doggy lottery!

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I have two Yorkies. The neediest dogs ever. Had I known they were going to constantly be looking to me to entertain them every second of the day, I would have never adopted them. I adopted two with the expectation that they would keep each other occupied. It’s exhausting. I love them and resent them.

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I have a lurcher with predominantly whippet and greyhound on his mother's side, and he is perfect in every way but so needy its drives me mad. I got him at 18 months old, and just like OP's dogs, he wants me to be his sole source of entertainment, and it IS exhausting. Every time I need a break I feel like a terrible owner, even though I've spent most of the day petting him and playing with him and walking him, because he just pesters and pesters and won't accept that I'm done. He takes it as a great betrayal. I'd be fine if he just wanted to follow me everywhere, but he has to have pets ALL the time. Or play. Or a walk. I love him to death but whatever dog you get, please enforce independence when theyre a pup, and don't allow them to make you their only source of happiness. My working cocker x jack russell puppy is SO much easier, because he will happily entertain himself.

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Damn did I write this 😂 My Yorkie is clingy AF and I’m tired of cleaning up dog poop. But my Yorkie is extremely smart. Unbelievably smart for a dog I think sometimes.

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We have a Bernese Mountain Dog. People say theyre the ultimate family dogs as theyre very affectionate. They say they're "Velcro" dogs. I didnt realise until I had one exactly what that meant. It meant they look for hugs 24/7. And one hug wont do - they want multiple snuggles. And then 5 minutes later they want multiple snuggles again. I dont mind it now at this season of life, because Ive got tweens who are starting to ignore me. But if I had babies or toddlers? FUCK NO. Talk about claustrophobic. I wouldnt have been able to handle it, frankly. Sometimes you glaze over these breed descriptions but the reality of them is way more than you ever imagined.♥ 31source record 72
I have two Yorkies. The neediest dogs ever. Had I known they were going to constantly be looking to me to entertain them every second of the day, I would have never adopted them. I adopted two with the expectation that they would keep each other occupied. It’s exhausting. I love them and resent them.♥ 982source record 155
I have a yorkie and yorkie poo and felt every word of this. Thankfully I’m not the only one in the house, I have days where I barely interact with both of them besides a head rub here or there because I just can’t esp if I’m in a bad mood. Not to mention my yorkie loves to lick and even on a good day that will send me bc I hate that and get hives if enough saliva is on my skin. They are great for kids tho, but def a velcro breed imo♥ 5source record 207
I also have a golden retriever. He’s a really good dog, but Jesus fucking Christ, he’s a needy, clingy little creeper. I hope I have the strength to tell my wife “fuck no” like my name is Roy Kent next time she thinks a dog would be good for the family.♥ 26source record 303
Including right up my ass every minute of every day.♥ 6source record 305
I know, have a dog myself. It did get worse with age, she's now nearly 13 and sometimes she just stands there, looks at me an waits for ... something.♥ 6source record 306
Grew up with cats. The few times I've dog sat for folks, I've been shocked at how much extra work they require. And the constant need to attention or affection or monitoring was shocking after getting used to cats.♥ 122source record 344
Yup, I just dogsat for a few days and I think I hate dogs now. Going into it, I was indifferent. Now I absolutely despise them. That little shit didn't give me a single moment to relax for the entirety of that weekend. It stared at me, waiting for me to entertain it literally the entire weekend. Obviously the person focuses solely on their dog every moment of the day, but I was not willing to do that♥ 13source record 345
I get really annoyed that our dog can't ever just entertain herself, and she needs to be in the middle of anything that's happening. My cats are really clingy too and want to be involved in everything, but when I'm really busy, I can give them a gentle nudge and say "not right now" and they wander off and do something else.♥ 10source record 346
most dogs are annoying as fuck or too clingy♥ 7source record 419
yes! I love my herding dogs and always have, but my friend (who also owns dogs) always tells me how much she hates that they stare at me all the time. She would never :D hahaha They are very loyal to their one person and you will be their whole focus. I'm used to it, but she is not.♥ 2source record 677
We got a whippet as everything says they’re great apartment dogs (true) and they don’t bark much (UNTRUE) and “they’re clingy”. You can use all the words for clingy in the english lexicon and it still doesn’t adequately describe my whippet. If he’s not physically touching me he’s almost screaming, if I sit down and he can’t cuddle me he will whine until I get on the couch for snuggles. And snuggles MUST BE 24/7. He’s so goofy, and he makes us laugh literally all the time and we adore him but “clingy” doesn’t cover the fact this dog will rule your free time like a tyrant if you let it. Felt like a prisoner in my own apartment for the first month.♥ 3source record 754
I have a lurcher with predominantly whippet and greyhound on his mother's side, and he is perfect in every way but so needy its drives me mad. I got him at 18 months old, and just like OP's dogs, he wants me to be his sole source of entertainment, and it IS exhausting. Every time I need a break I feel like a terrible owner, even though I've spent most of the day petting him and playing with him and walking him, because he just pesters and pesters and won't accept that I'm done. He takes it as a great betrayal. I'd be fine if he just wanted to follow me everywhere, but he has to have pets ALL the time. Or play. Or a walk. I love him to death but whatever dog you get, please enforce independence when theyre a pup, and don't allow them to make you their only source of happiness. My working cocker x jack russell puppy is SO much easier, because he will happily entertain himself.♥ 2source record 1205
I have a friend who has a Yorkie She is a fantastic owner, but it breaks my heart to see that her Yorkie is never satisfied with the attention she gets. And this Yorkie gets a TON of attention (a lot more than a normal dog), and yet she still acts like she's neglected and abused when her owner leaves for one hour♥ 3source record 1298
Sounds about right. It’s exhausting trying to keep these little things happy. I’m always concerned that I’m not enriching their lives enough. My husband keeps telling me to relax. He says “They’re dogs “! No. They are little humans in dog suits.♥ 2source record 1299
This Yorkie belongs to my ex. I still visit my ex, and I get to see her Yorkie like it's a parental visit lol. I love interacting with her. And I completely agree that they are like full human minds in a tiny body that can only bark. They like being talked to and interacted with. So long as you are there and you are doing something, they will be happy. Yorkies also thrive in an environment where they are second in command and right next to the leader (they were bread for hunting rats in coal mines, and they like to act like they are equals with whoever is in charge) I think the previous comment about "needing to always entertain them" is hilarious because we are like their television. It makes me feel weird in a Plato's cave kind of way sometimes. What if their reality is entirely focused around us? Like we are their permanent tv show? It can be very difficult to give a dog the full amount of enrichment that they need because every dog breed is different, and every dog has their own quirks and personalities that make them unique. Aussies and huskies need a lotu of running for example. It's a part of their breed. But what do yorkies need I've always wondered? They would probably love to go either hunting rats, or guarding a coal miners lunch box from rats. It's in their DNA as much as herd dogs like to herd. *How does a person translate that kind of enrichment into activities though?* I know my Yorkie liked to go "hunt" for the kitty (we used to like trying to play hide and seek with our black cat we used to have). We would go look under the beds, and the Yorkie would be SO excited for this game. Then we find the kitty and we all cuddle her till kitty gets annoyed She also is a little food aggressive which can be fun in small amounts (she will growl and twirl if you accidentally get too close to her treat)♥ 4source record 1300
My dogs too. Always looking at me. What's next? What can we have? What are we doing? It is exhausting.♥ 3source record 1303
Holy shit this thread is giving me much needed peace. I had one frenchie but I knew she really needed some companionship other than me because she is so so clingy, so I adopted another frenchie girl. The only thing that did was gave me two frenchies that are overwhelmingly clingy. I love them and I’d die for them but I wish I wouldn’t have done it. It’s really held me back in my life in a lot a ways. I’m with you!♥ 2source record 1335
They have no problem being calm most of the time. The problem is, they always want my husband or myself to sit down so that they can curl up on or next to us. They will just follow us around constantly, or just sit there and pout. Ugh! I have stuff to do! 😭♥ 2source record 1339
Yes! I have a morkie and he is so needy! Like he if constantly cock blocking my husband!! Lmao! When we have sexy time we have to put him in another room but then he panics and is barking the whole time!♥ 1source record 1369
My Yorkies aren’t mean or destructive. They’re just clingy AF. If you have an independent Yorkie, then you did indeed win! 🏆♥ 1source record 1459
Hmm I think a lot of you have never had to care for a \*really needy\* dog before. I've had dogs in the past and never had these thoughts, because they were easygoing dream dogs. I recently housesat for an extremely sweet, silly, high-energy, anxious and **needy** young dog for two weeks and it had me reconsidering ever having a pet again, much less a child. He fortunately has a family to share the caregiving burden (and to give him more attention), but as a single person it was too much. I only left him for \~4 hours per day. It was hard to ever relax because he'd start barking at me for more attention. After an hourlong walk, feeding, cuddles and scritches and everything he could possibly need. Like this dog wanted/needed me to hold his bone for him to chew. It can be really hard.♥ 3source record 1805
I do get your point. But I know the dog and the family well. They're training him and working on things, but adopted him like half a year ago. My point was - imagine that's the dog I get next if I adopt again. I can see how they fell in love with him when they met him. I might have done the same thing. And never rested again lol. I have lots of experience with taking care of children as well. Children can be incredibly difficult even with the best parents following all of the best practices and giving their child everything they need to thrive. You don't know, as a parent, if the child you end up with will have Oppositional Defiant Disorder, psychopathy, etc... there's nothing wrong with people imagining the worst case scenario (a scenario some people end up in) and deciding they don't want to take the risk. My point is that it can be more of a burden than a joy depending on the dog, or the child.♥ 3source record 1807
The clinginess is why I have never respected dogs.♥ 2source record 2052
Yeah, they don’t know when to leave you alone and they’re a fuck ton of work. It’s like having a permanent toddler. I love dogs but couldn’t own one.♥ 2source record 2076
This made me feel sorry for your doggo. I am the emotional support person for a very clingy, very sweet, very anxious 3 yr old dog, who either has to go everywhere with me or I have to make arrangements for baby sitting (for office days etc) and is a massive nincompoop that has big feelings that he likes to express, loudly, about all sorts of things that do my head in (frog croaking in the drain? I’ll Know about it) Does life take a bit of extra planning since he came along? Sure. But it’s just him, and I think the world of him. And I’d rather he be with me who is able to make allowances for him, than be with someone who’d think he is too hard.♥ 2source record 2244
Wife and I currently have two dogs and love them to death, however I don't think I can ever have more than one again after this. I feel you on the clingyness. Anytime we sit on the couch they immediately try to be as close to us as possible, some days it's nice, but most days it's infuriating.♥ 1source record 2593
We got a golden doodle and we have all these same issues. Hes clingy as you can imagine. We honestly were not prepared.♥ 1source record 3016
Who does?? And who can entertain them ? They are clingy♥ 2source record 3024
I used to grow up with a lot pf dogs, my whole life i had them (or well, my mom) and after i moved out i realized how draining it is, especially when i had to take them for walks, i didnt mind going with my dog, but i always had to take my moms as well. Now owning a cat, sometimes ive to pet sit my moms dogs for vacation, and my god i forgot how annoying it is. I cannot stand the constant looking at u, walking where u are, the unfortunate events of shit being stuck in their ass or having diarrhea out of nowhere. Walking them everyday is a nightmare. Theyre SO much work, i prefer much a cat, play with them a bit, cuddle, food and clean their litter and call it a day. My cat leaves me alone enough to have some space to breathe, and will want cuddles for approximately 1-3 hours, which is perfect.♥ 1source record 3070
I have a cat and small dog, had the cat since he was a kitten (abandoned by mom) and he can be clingy sometimes but is typical self-sufficient cat 90% of the time. Small dog is a Maltese/Shih Tzu mix and will just let you carry her around, sleep in your lap, and play for like 15mins/day, doesn't really need long walks or anything. Now that I've moved in with my partner I'm noticing how much I really don't like clingy animals lol, his dog is a rescue and we think he's a pit mixed with catahoula shepard with leopard patterning. When he finally got used to me he'd lead me by the hand to things he wanted like food/water/outside, mind you this dog does not have a soft bite until we taught him to use the bells you can hang by doors. It's been over a year and he's just so annoying, I can't play with my cat or dog without him inserting himself, hell I can't even hug my partner without him whining and pushing between us for pets! He has anxiety and barks at any sound, people he knows entering the house, or whenever he hears food being dispensed for the other two (had to get rid of auto feeders because of this). We're looking at options to get him on some meds for his anxiety and formal training but my partner just thinks he's being cute/has puppy brain still because he's 3yrs old.♥ 1source record 3114
I love my dog. She's very well taken care of. Still at times I can't deal with her. We got her as a dog for my husband. She's a cattle dog and they are Velcro dogs, meaning they imprint on one human and that's their human. Well, I'm her human much to my husband's annoyance. And also to my annoyance at times because I just want to be left alone and not have the responsibility but she needs her attention from her human and the walks etc. I swore after my previous dog passed that I wouldn't get another one and well obviously that didn't last. I still love the shit out of her though. Oh and she's rescue from a breeding farm thing so she has some trauma. We have to take her with us on vacations. She's been with us for six years and has never stayed overnight without us. Makes taking a vacation very limited.♥ 1source record 3328
At least you don't own a Pug. Snoring Potato Gremlins that can't bear to be by themselves for more than 2 seconds unless they are asleep, and even then they will wake up and come find you so they can snore in your ear. And the pooping... I have no idea how a creature like this that seemingly eats so little can create so much shit.♥ 1source record 3845
I can relate, however, I’ve had pets my whole life. I can’t think of a time in my life that I haven’t had atleast a cat & dog, but good lord this dog is different. He’s not a bad dog, but oh my gosh I want to be left alone sometimes. I have a 4 month old & he follows us EVERYWHERE in our 750 sq foot house… If he gets slightly overheated or the slightest bit stressed, he drools everywhere & pants super loud. Extremely hard to train, if I get on to him for something bad - he acts as if the world is coming down on him. We can’t leave him inside without “dog proofing” the house first. We have to move our barstools in front of the walls he will scratch at. Also, for over 6 months I almost got knocked over & my feet cut up by his nails every time I opened the door, we’re finally getting somewhere with that. Oh & he’s atleast over 80 lbs. lab mixed with I think weimeriner. We aren’t for sure though, we rescued him from a friend who said he was dumped & they were hoping to find a home for him as they already had a dog. I hate to admit it but some days I wish we just let them keep him, he’s been a lot on me mentally with also caring for our 4 month old. I just feel so over stimulated.♥ 1source record 3887
Damn did I write this 😂 My Yorkie is clingy AF and I’m tired of cleaning up dog poop. But my Yorkie is extremely smart. Unbelievably smart for a dog I think sometimes.♥ 1source record 3889
I got a beagle a couple years ago. Understood the responsibility; like yours. Super sweet - like yours. Actually have raised dogs before.. but whoaaa, shivering sh*tballs this dog is a pain. 1) She is always UP MY ASS like you said. She can't just chill in the corner (yes I do run her and play fetch). Im watching TV at night and she forces herself on me. 2) She has shit and peed on the floor repeatedly as if she cant hold her bladder and im nervous waking up at 3am interrupting sleep so I can let her out; then she refuses to come back in or bayes at the moon waking the neighbors. 3) The whining and crying. Its like a damn baby! For some reason she cant let me just be, or let my kid and I play without her nervous whimpering for attention. 3) Yes - I had a dog before but now Im realizing the huge disposition difference between a golden retriever and a hound dog, plus I was in college / early adulthood and my life wasnt as complicated♥ 1source record 3942
Feel this🥲 I was always a dog person growing up but now I’m cats all the way. Partner has a dog and I love her but the constant need for attention, jealousy/trying to climb all over us while we’re cuddling, needing to be up on the bed/couch drives me insane. I’m not into being smothered with affection all the time but ofc I feel terribly guilty for not wanting to cuddle w her so I do if my partners not there to. Not her fault she’s a cuddle bug, I’m just not that type of gal.♥ 1source record 3979
For me it's the constant need for attention. They always want attention and closebess, even when you want space, or you need to go get stuff done. I just don't have the emotional capacity to have a forever toddler. My cat is perfect. He fetches, he cuddles, he greets me, he leaves me alone when he doesn't need attention, it's great.♥ 1source record 4051
I live with a dog who every time I get up, he gets up too and starts walking in front of me but like the speed of mollases and blocks the whole hallway. It drives me insane♥ 1source record 4151
The fact dogs can't take care of themselves like cats do and rely on you for everything is why I can't stand them. Also, I would really like to be left alone at some point. Cats understand this and go away or just sit quietly nearby. Dogs just stay there and stare at you or try climbing all over you for attention. Or they look at you with that 'trying to be cute' manipulative look when they really want something. Meanwhile, I think it's rather pathetic and don't have the awww that others have with dogs. Also, I hate they'll just eat anything, even your food. I would seriously consider surrending a dog that ate something that took time to make for myself full stop. Cats at least have some respect when it comes to food that is not theirs. No thanks!♥ 1source record 4261
So real. I love my two boys (chi mixes) and they’re so good but jfc. sometimes, I just want space and to veg out without a living thing insisting on snuggling and getting pets or asking me to play LOL♥ 1source record 4322
Yeah, I adore dogs and do not regret taking my current one in. However, he’s a rescue with attachment issues, and as much as I love him, his clinginess can be a pain when I’m trying to get housework done. I still live with my mother, and if one of us wants to do any work in the house, the other basically has to babysit him. At times it feels like having a toddler… one that will never understand what you’re saying. He’s my second dog (yesterday coincidentally marked 10 years since we lost our first). I think that after he’s gone, I wouldn’t want another dog for a while. I absolutely adore dogs, but they are a big commitment. This reminds me of an unpopular opinion of mine: Taking in a rescue is admirable, but people need to stop treating it like it’s just buying a second-hand car. Many dogs are rescues for a reason, and may have issues that prospective owners are not prepared for. Family members have received abuse before for buying purebreds from reputable breeders, but not everyone is equipped for the potential needs of a rescue (and in my brother’s case, a rescue may have been ineligible to be trained as a support dog). Absolutely research breeders beforehand to make sure they’re legit, but people shouldn’t be shamed if a rescue isn’t for them.♥ 1source record 4730
I’m not even remotely a dog person and that fact gets me a lot of hate and causes a lot of heated discussions for whatever reason. But yeah I dislike dogs a fair amount for the reasons you listed and many others. The biggest reason tho like you stated is the constant clingy shit, needing to be the center of attention, and ZERO respect for personal space and boundaries. You can push them off of you a million times with a firm “NO” and they’ll slide ride back up on the couch to climb on you and force their affection where it isn’t wanted, or jump on you repeatedly when you knee them away, and god forbid you show a distain for this behavior. The owners always get butthurt. From “he’s just saying hi” or “he likes you!” Progressing to an agitated “what you don’t like DOGS?? WHY?” Or simply being mean mugged because I didn’t want their mutt touching me. I am entitled to my space and not being touched repeatedly by any living being. Sorry? Don’t even get me started on crotch and butt sniffing how foul. Nope. Owners shouldn’t allow that shit it can trigger people with SA trauma BADLY. How fucking rude. I don’t care if Bella is trying to get to know me or whatever dumb fucking reason you give it. It’s rude and disrespectful. My parents had dogs through my childhood and all the way up til my early 30’s and now we have cats and several exotics. The hours they spent picking shit up out of the yard multiple times weekly, or money spent on vet bills, furniture and home repair costs because of these animals, and the sheer amount of catering to that dogs require. Nah I’m good. Dog free here so don’t feel bad lol♥ 1source record 4737
[link removed] It’s a lot of work. I don’t know how I got talked into TWO… SISTERS… averaging 70lbs each. The food, the poop, the incessant attention-seeking behavior… GAHHHHHH♥ 1source record 4806
I adopted a barn cat from my parents in 2020, then adopted two more in 2023, and then my wife talked me into adopting a dog a little over a year ago. The dog is so much worse. He’s a very good boy and such a sweetheart, never barks, doesn’t concern himself with other dogs much when we take him to a car show or a park, but I don’t enjoy being his owner. Constantly needy, doesn’t know how to relax, not great at listening to commands unless treats are involved. Plus having to either haul him with or pay someone to sit him when we want to go on trips versus making sure the cats’ litter box is clean and their feeder and waterer is full which will get them by for a solid 4-5 days without intervention, with some ‘nip and toys to keep themselves entertained.♥ 1source record 4820
I guess mine are just divas. They are pout masters. I spoiled them and now I’m paying the price. I always worry that I’m not giving them enough. A life full of enrichment. Just like I did my only child. They all have an entitlement attitude. 😂♥ 1source record 5035

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The mess297 records · 6 sub-topicsWhat the original post opened with, and the part of it almost nobody in the replies denies is real. 297 records.
Picking it up, several times a day, forever131 index entriesThe most-reported single chore in the corpus, and the one the replies fight over hardest — including what a yard does under snow.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Picking it up, several times a day, forever

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Picking it up, several times a day, forever

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Situation: Clearing a yard, a pavement or a snowed-over lawn, every day, for the life of the dog

Why readers chose it: 131 records, the most-reported single chore in the corpus, and the complaint is duration rather than disgust: several commenters point out that a child is toilet-trained within a few years and a dog never is. Snow is the recurring aggravator, with commenters in Colorado, Minnesota, Maine, Montreal and Ottawa all describing a winter's worth surfacing in one spring thaw; dog size is the other, with small-dog owners calling the job trivial and large-dog owners disagreeing in detail. The card also contains the fixes that came from inside it: a gravel or turf run, a corded-off corner of the yard, collecting it as it happens, a long-handled scoop, and paying somebody weekly to do it.

What readers reported: Imagine forgetting to pick up the yard from two big dogs and then it snows. Such a nice suprise when it melts.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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Omg it’s even worse when you’re on concrete. They’re all melted like puddles.

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My dog is 11 lb, his poop is way longer than you would think. But I guess a big dog would have even worse poop.

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It is. But of all the animals to own, dogs are by far the easiest to train and have them do what you find acceptable is this not true?

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>I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard When you let her out to poop, grab a poop bag and wait for her to finish, then run out there and gather it up. One small job each time she poops will be much easier to deal with mentally than one big job cleaning up days and days worth of poops. I had a dog almost constantly in my life until the age of 50 (aside from my college years). I'm over it. Love them all like my own family, but never again. They're an anchor to going on trips and doing stuff that I like to do now that I'm older. And bringing them places is a pain in the ass too - you have to get the dingy hotel room, you can't walk them in certain places, some of them don't travel well, etc. etc. Plus most of them are so inbred and fucking stupid I don't want to have to "deal" with them. The few fleeting moments of joy don't outweigh the frustrations and inconveniences they introduce into my life. So I hear you.

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The smell of fresh dog poo is my kryptonite unfortunately, there is no way I could deal with handling that every day.

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Dogs might not be for you op by please know that the shitting everywhere and eating random shit can be trained out. My dogs shit in a specific corner (designated by a sand gravel mix like a big litter tray) and know not to eat random shit. With the clingyness unfortunately breed effects that a lot. Some breeds are known to basically want to be under your skin 24/7, it's what we bred them to be like. Great if you want a dog that's obsessed either you, not so great when you want to be able to sit down without a dog on top of you. You can also train out the playing issues. Dogs first instinct when they see their family play is to join in. You can train that out by redirecting them to safer play methods I.e bring their favourite toy instead of barreling into a toddler

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Imagine forgetting to pick up the yard from two big dogs and then it snows. Such a nice suprise when it melts.

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What's with the dog crap everywhere? My family never used to poop scoop and it was grim. As an adult, I have sectioned off a patch of artificial grass for my dog to crap on. We pick up his shit the moment it lands, and hose it down and disinfect it regularly. Everyone in the household knows the score. Bag it and bin it immediately.

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But you’d have to clean it up as soon as it happens. People have lives and can’t just watch their dog 24/7. Of course they’re not gonna clean the yard up daily. And dogs get diarrhea… have fun picking that up bleh. And the kind of diet that some dogs need so they have normal bowel movements… I mean it’s more than some human meals.

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Once my dog had a nice set walking schedule going she no longer even poops in the yard, she just waits to do it on her walks. She still has the occasional emergency where she needs to go outside in the yard but it's maybe twice a month♥ 3source record 95
Imagine forgetting to pick up the yard from two big dogs and then it snows. Such a nice suprise when it melts.♥ 267source record 273
I live in snow land and after a month of winter the snow is too deep to stomp around in to pick up turds. So 5 months of winter later I spend a chunk of spring cleaning the yard. It's horrific.♥ 78source record 274
Ughh the horror, ewww. That's magnitudes worse than our snow, it usually melts in a couple days, only here and there does it stick around more than a week or month♥ 21source record 275
Same. At least kids eventually get potty trained. You have to pick up after dogs forever♥ 119source record 326
As long as you have a dog that’s under 20 pounds, it’s so simple and fast and there’s barely anything you’re even having to grab with your bag. Now, how in the hell people own monster dogs and have to pick up Jurassic Park style piles of crap every day? I have no idea!♥ 24source record 336
I was standing in the dark last night staring at a Jurassic Park pile of dog shit on someone's lawn and quietly questioning my life choices and hoping it would all fit in one bag.♥ 13source record 337
You are actually right. Those giant poops ?? Ugghhh♥ 6source record 338
Kids eventually wipe their own butts when they poop lol♥ 39source record 353
I don't have to worry about it because I walk my dog 2x a day and he has become accustomed to going then. Most of the bags end up in the park trash so I don't even need to stink up my own homes trash (as much) But I understand not everyone has the free time for such a thing. Good on you for cleaning it up♥ 18source record 388
I was so happy when both my kids were finally potty trained and I was able to get rid of the "Diaper Pail". Finally I was done cleaning up feces for the most part, a major victory. Then what did I decide would be a good idea? Go get a dog. So now I get to bag my dog's turds one at a time for the next 10-15 years. Smart move. Walking around the neighborhood with a bag of shit dangling between my fingers until I find a trash bin. At least with my kids I could just gather the awful shitocalypses up and all I had to do was transport them about a foot or so into the diaper pail. I did not have to bag each turd and carry it around like a wanker.♥ 1source record 987
I think it's even more like having a baby. Since you need to manage every single ounce of waste they create, immediately. Toddlers usually get potty trained around the age of two or three. You don't even need to manage their poop anymore. You need to deal with dog s*** directly all the way up until it dies.♥ 1source record 1463
I dont usually get snow where I live. But it does get cold as shit in winter. Dog turds get frozen and scrape up really easy when theyre frozen solid. In summer they scrape up really easy when they've been baked in the sun. Like little burnt sausages. But spring and autumn they get rained on constantly and become wet, spongy, sticky, brown, slugs.♥ 3source record 1478
Haha, I love winter because I don't have to clean. Then the first early thaw day I rush out there with a small shovel and scoop all the frozen turds up as fast as possible. Its like 20 pounds of poop.♥ 3source record 1482
Colorado?? That’s us and I go on poop patrol as soon as it melts haha♥ 2source record 1513
Oh, the annual "Lake Shit" event in the backyard when the snow melts. I don't miss that!♥ 1source record 1526
Omg it’s even worse when you’re on concrete. They’re all melted like puddles.♥ 1source record 1528
Don’t even own a dog but got to experience this buying a house in Colorado in December, cleaning up old shit in the spring was a delight♥ 1source record 1533
I lived in Maine with my Great Dane and let her out and watched her poop immediately steam and sink through the snow… and I was like alright I’ll deal with that in 4 months.♥ 1source record 1536
I lived that too when we lived in Minnesota. Snow on top of snow. All winter.♥ 1source record 1550
I grew up in Montreal and Ottawa. People I knew would shovel a little area for their dogs - this was before I had any dogs. Dogs are creatures of habit. With a tiny bit of training, all positive reward based, they will poop at the same place every time.♥ 1source record 1552
ha ha! once it starts melting I do a large pick up once a day for days on end while more melts and more poop gets exposed.♥ 1source record 1553
Lived in a town where the first spring thaw leaves the whole town smelling like dog shit.♥ 1source record 1556
I get a big bucket, line it with a strong garbage bag, grab a shovel and pick up poop like you'd do on a farm cleaning up after horses. It's bet to do it after the turds have had a but of tine to dry after the snow melts, so they don't fall apart and stick to your shovel. I end up taking out parts of the lasn every year but the snow melts in spring so it's just the right time to have the grass grow and cover it up nicely♥ 1source record 1560
I knew somebody who threw a big mat thingie on top of a patch of grass, so it would stay untouched when it snowed--she would just lift it up every day and trained the dogs to go only there. I live in a desert region, though, so I can't speak on this method personally.♥ 1source record 1562
I don't have a yard, so we have to walk my dog 3 or 4 times a day... I hated having to pick up the poop at first, but now I don't really care. We were using bags that have a toilet paper lining in them so we can flush it... But I guess the pipes in Japan aren't really designed to deal with dog poop, so now we have thicker bags that seal pretty well to prevent the smell and just throw them away with the other food waste. It's definitely a hassle, especially when it's raining ... But I do love my doggo so I guess it's worth it.♥ 9source record 1566
I buy 4lb sandwich bags from a grocery outlet, and you kinda ball it up first(doesn’t fill the whole bag, I like to fold it back over once the bag is twisted off for doubled up plastic). For small dogs having tiny poop though there’s an awful lot who don’t pick it up.♥ 3source record 1594
Sure, but "Have to pick up poop some number of times every day." Is also a fairly good reason that it sucks having a dog.♥ 6source record 1606
Also, I trained my dog to only go to the bathroom to room in a certain part of the yard (the side yard). Maybe some dogs aren’t as trainable, but for us this just took a few days of effort to get her to use the one area.♥ 1source record 1703
Ok and? 3-4 times a day for 16 years is forever♥ 1source record 1733
My dog is 11 lb, his poop is way longer than you would think. But I guess a big dog would have even worse poop.♥ 1source record 1737
If he’s decided to be a doof about going all day, imagine a 2 cup measuring cup♥ 1source record 1738
I do too, but I got tired of looking for the poops so I started moving them to one corner of the yard, I did this for a while with my dog as a witness. She eventually started pooping in that corner permanently; now it's her toilet, and I can just shovel the shit over to the neighbors.♥ 1source record 1809
Maybe… having to constantly pick up dog shit is why he thinks owning a dog sucks and is part of the reason why he made this post?♥ 10source record 1834
Right but it’s easy if you just pick it up when it happens. Instead of letting it collect in yard. Also if you walk your dog that’s where they poop and you just pick it up and yard is clean. If their poops are bad switch the food. Not criticizing this is actually how to make it easier.♥ 6source record 1835
The smell of fresh dog poo is my kryptonite unfortunately, there is no way I could deal with handling that every day.♥ 7source record 1934
The poop is why I don't want to own a dog anymore.♥ 3source record 1939
Picking shit up everyday with your hands.♥ 3source record 1969
walking the dog prevents poop in the yard. if you use your yard as a toilet it will be a toilet….♥ 2source record 2057
What's with the dog crap everywhere? My family never used to poop scoop and it was grim. As an adult, I have sectioned off a patch of artificial grass for my dog to crap on. We pick up his shit the moment it lands, and hose it down and disinfect it regularly. Everyone in the household knows the score. Bag it and bin it immediately.♥ 2source record 2179
Hopefully you don't live somewhere with a lot of snow. That makes it hard to find all the dog shit when there is snow falling. Spring clean up is truly horrible as you load up a bucket or two of wet dog shit. Then there are the vet bills. Sometimes you can get on a payment plan for them.♥ 1source record 2190
> First off, the shitting. My god. I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. I'm always amazed that people in the US just let their dogs shit in their yard. Where I come from, people walk their dogs at least twice a day to let them shit (and usually pick the shit up immediately). Someone who lets their dog shit in their own yard would be seen as some kind of disgusting freak.♥ 2source record 2212
Ugh yeah it does sometimes. I love my dogs but they fucking stink. They eat my strawberries and one of my dogs eats entire green bean plants so I can’t grow those. My male dog pees on my pepper plants. They get in my flower bed and poop in my walkway mulch. We have to clean up dog poop weekly. They are SO EXPENSIVE- vet bills, groomer, food, toys, bones. I have three of them. Almost daily they do some shit to piss me off, like puking on the rug or jumping on the couch. They’re cute though haha I’ll never get rid of them.♥ 2source record 2214
>I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard When you let her out to poop, grab a poop bag and wait for her to finish, then run out there and gather it up. One small job each time she poops will be much easier to deal with mentally than one big job cleaning up days and days worth of poops. I had a dog almost constantly in my life until the age of 50 (aside from my college years). I'm over it. Love them all like my own family, but never again. They're an anchor to going on trips and doing stuff that I like to do now that I'm older. And bringing them places is a pain in the ass too - you have to get the dingy hotel room, you can't walk them in certain places, some of them don't travel well, etc. etc. Plus most of them are so inbred and fucking stupid I don't want to have to "deal" with them. The few fleeting moments of joy don't outweigh the frustrations and inconveniences they introduce into my life. So I hear you.♥ 2source record 2227
Are you from the US? It's always mind boggling to me how, apparently, for all I know, it's so common to let your dog pee and poop in your yard?! If the dog was sick, or all the humans, then using the yard as an emergency toilet might be fine. But otherwise you just walk the dog, at least three times a day and let them pee and poop outside (of course you clean the poop up! But it goes into the next trash bin). I do not know anybody from Europe that lets their dog poop in their yard on a regular basis. And you need to train your dog... You should be able to tell your dog, that she's not allowed to play with you. Your little kid running around, does not mean that she can join. Also the eating things can be trained, even though that one is tougher, as it's really self rewarding. But sending your dog to go lie down when you're chasing your kid, should be standard.♥ 2source record 2320
I’m not the one having to pick up dog shit tomorrow. And the day after. And the day after that.♥ 1source record 2363
>All of these are solved with training (which is not hard) and breed. Which dogs don't crap, or is that a training issue. Good to hear it's not hard to teach them not to crap.♥ 1source record 2364
If you don't have an animal (which is a perfectly reasonable option) then you probably don't have crap to pick up multiple times a day? Is this not true?♥ 2source record 2366
Dogs are arguably the easiest to train but that wasn't the point. For some reason everyone in this thread seems to think the only alternative to having a dog is having a different pet. The OP wasn't comparing having a dog to having other pets. They were just talking about what it's like to have a dog, vs not having a dog. The post I replied to said all the complaints were easy to solve with training, but one of the complaints was picking up crap. I suppose you could teach your dog to use the toilet, but that's probably not what would be considered "easy" otherwise more people would do it.♥ 2source record 2368
Normal or not, you have to pick up poops, Can't train that away. Not sure why you're still arguing.♥ 1source record 2370
But can I say I have never understood why people just let their dogs shit in their backyard. We taught our dog that walks are pooping time and we walk him twice a day. We are a busy family with jobs and kids but he has never missed a walk and we have never had to worry about stepping in a land mine in our backyard♥ 1source record 2446
i love the idea of owning a dog until i realize that they have to poop everyday and pee every other hour. why tf would anyone want to deal with that shit?♥ 1source record 2448
The whole "poop" argument is so weird to me. Just pick it up when it happens and you'll never forget about it or accidentally step in it. Leaving it for later is lazy and gross.♥ 1source record 2451
You can teach your dog to poo in the same spot in your yard every time♥ 2source record 2471
Dogs might not be for you op by please know that the shitting everywhere and eating random shit can be trained out. My dogs shit in a specific corner (designated by a sand gravel mix like a big litter tray) and know not to eat random shit. With the clingyness unfortunately breed effects that a lot. Some breeds are known to basically want to be under your skin 24/7, it's what we bred them to be like. Great if you want a dog that's obsessed either you, not so great when you want to be able to sit down without a dog on top of you. You can also train out the playing issues. Dogs first instinct when they see their family play is to join in. You can train that out by redirecting them to safer play methods I.e bring their favourite toy instead of barreling into a toddler♥ 1source record 2502
I agree. My brother has 4 big dogs and his back yard is basically a stinky crap box. You can’t step anywhere or do anything in the grass at all. You can’t have a moments peace on the patio either. When you’re inside they all want to be Inside with you and you HAVE to be in the same room otherwise they’ll find something to chew on or get into. If you’re outside all but one want to be outside and they bark incessantly at the neighbors dogs. So much so that one neighbor will text my brother or his wife to make sure their dogs are inside so theirs can be key out. The one that doesn’t like to be outside constantly whines if he sees you eating anything or even if you’re just getting a glass of water in the kitchen. They have to use an annoying baby gate otherwise they’ll rush out the front door if it’s opened, and if ANYONE comes in they all try to jump on you/them and they’ve nearly knocked my pregnant niece over a few times and they’ve jumped on my toddler nephew before scaring the crap out of him and making him cry. They act like their dogs are just “energetic” but they’re just a huge nuisance that everyone loathes. I dread house sitting for him and his spoiled, obnoxious dogs. .♥ 1source record 2510
I truly don’t understand the poop complaints. You pick the poop up after the dog goes. If it’s out in the yard and you’re not necessarily right there to do it immediately, you just go out once a day and pick it up. Literally takes seconds to minutes. The dog should ideally be getting walks though. Mine almost never poops in the yard because he goes on walks, so the poop gets picked up right when it happens. Not into walks and see that as a hardship? That’s a shame, because a daily walk has a ton of health (physical and mental) benefits and are recommended for humans even more than dogs. Kids love going on walks too. The lack of walks would explain the insane energy with your kid, too. Dogs need exercise and attention just like people. Just like kids. If you don’t want to do it, fine, but it means you shouldn’t own a dog. 🤷‍♀️ These posts drive me crazy; people just can’t manage taking care of another creature and think it should be hands off and self-maintained? Not willing to be proactive, put in effort to educate and train, etc. But are you willing to do it for your kid? Gotta ask yourself why that is. If you’re just not into animals, be honest with yourself.♥ 2source record 2555
My dog doesnt ger free reign of the backyard. Well he does, but somoene always goes out with him in case he shits. Hes out thwre hrs a day, there is zero poops in my yard. Also he is walked every single.morning until he poops, usually takes 10-15 mins, we take turns, so the big first poop or two of the day is oit of the way and not in the yard. Just be a better dog owner, take that hound around the block, its good for their braim to sniff and snork a few thousand things a day and the walking is good for everyone.♥ 2source record 2670
\#1 rule with dogs: when the dog goes outside, you go as well so you pick up the poop immediately and not be disgusted in your own home.♥ 1source record 2709
I will never understand people who let the dogs poop all over the yard/grass. My family has always trained our dogs to go in a specific gravel area on the side of the house so that it is not a concern. It’s soooo much nice to not have to worry about stepping on poops and makes it easy to scoop them up♥ 1source record 2717
Ugh yes. I always say “I like dogs, but I don’t want to be responsible for one”. I’ve lived with dogs. But others were the people mainly responsible for them. I also hate the dog shit in the yard. Yes you can try to clean it up daily but it’s still poo in your grass. Unless you power wash spray the grass, you can’t enjoy your own lawn without potentially stepping in poo. Nevermind if you have kids… and kids wanna run around bare foot or stick things in their mouths. Ugh. Personally I get super anxious with the loud, constant barking too. Of a medium to larger dog anyway. The little ones don’t bug me as much. And they always bark. And it echoes off the walls and it is so loud. I feel like the only way you can have a dog is to put it through at least a year of training with a professional, so it poops in one spot and doesn’t bite ever and doesn’t take food, etc. because dogs are honestly way too wild. And should maybe have stayed outdoors.♥ 1source record 2745
Cord off the back part of yard with stakes. Leash her and walk her to that area to poop and pee. Train her that that back area of yard is her potty area. No more poop anywhere else! Trust me, it can work if you take the effort (and treats) to train her.♥ 1source record 2754
I fell in some dog shit somebody didn’t pick up one time and it still haunts me to this day. It’s actually one of the main reasons I’ll never get a dog. Along with the fact that I watched my friends corgi eat her own puke. Dogs might be cute but they’re extremely disgusting.♥ 2source record 2816
For the pooping in the backyard - I know some folks who trained their dog to poop in a certain area. They put a chain fence around that area and taught their dog to exclusively poop and pee in that area. It is rather large and you absolutely have to clean it up very regularly so that your dog will continue to want to use that area as a restroom.♥ 1source record 2873
We take the dog out and follow it in the yard until it poops, every single time. No way am I finding poop in my yard.♥ 1source record 2899
It's the poop always in the yard that I really can't stand. Another commented 'its really easy to clean. I never have a problem.' That is a comment of someone who must like going outside scooping up fresh soft shit three times a day. If it isn't dried it smears all over the scoop.. I still have some shit on my smocks from the weekend that I have yet to clean. Beyond that I would like to be able to leave the house for a couple nights and no taking her with is guaranteed to absolutely ruin the holiday so we need to find a sitter.♥ 1source record 2901
Oh man I am always standing in dog poo.♥ 1source record 2921
Worst thing is the yard for me. I have the best "luck" in stepping in crap. I try hard to make sure it doesn't become the cat litter box equivalent. if I didn't do it my SO wouldn't care, and she wants another dog. I don't feel like she gives the dog all the love and attention (direct and indirect) it deserves. I fully understand where you're coming from!♥ 1source record 2924
I never let my dog out in the backyard unsupervised. If she poops, I see where it is and go clean it right away.♥ 1source record 2929
I trained my dog to go in the long grass so he always went to the edges of the yard to poop 🙌 highly recommend because Yes I have stepped in dog poo barefoot and no I don’t care to repeat it♥ 1source record 2951
Keeping up with the dog poo is definitely a chore. I live in an apartment and it’s one of those. I mean, you have to pick up after yourself every time your dog takes a dump. I will be taking that with me when I move into a house in December. I have to be out there if my dog is out there so that if she takes a dump, it gets cleaned up right away. The house and moving into is going to have two children in it and the last thing I need is for my nieces and nephews to either eat the dog poo or roll around in it, and I would not be surprised if they would do either of those. And I totally feel the pain of a dog that leaves little piles all over the yard. When I was a kid, we had this dog who would do like Hershey’s kisses amount of drops and he would walk as he pooped so there would just be little dollops everywhere it was a pain. Honestly, on the food bit, it’s a lot like having a kid. Kids will put just about anything in their mouth. They’ll eat just about anything. They have very little self-awareness. Like two months ago my mom and sister had to take my nephew to the hospital because he ate a smarty and swallowed it wrong and it got slightly lodged in there. They had to pay a few hundred dollars for them to give him chocolate milk because he a smarty the wrong way lol. And my God, the barreling through children is such a relatable experience for everyone who has a dog that’s been around children. It doesn’t even matter what size the dog is they can be very one track minded when it comes to play and knock into just about anyone and everything. Some of that can be helped with training, but really there’s just no way around that sometimes. Glad your kid is sturdy lol♥ 1source record 2960
the only thing that cant be dealt with through training is having to pick up waste. But if the dog is fed and walked properly theyll go during the walk. my dog doesnt shit where he plays and doesnt eat something unless i hand it to him or put it in his bowl♥ 1source record 2966
>First off, the shitting. My god. I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. I’ve stepped on dog shit more times than I can count. You don't have a designated area for pooping?♥ 1source record 3011
You could put in a fenced section that is the only place the dogs allowed to go, even half the yard could help. I can't imagine the whole backyard full of that. What are you feeding the dog? Diet can make a big difference with that.♥ 1source record 3040
2 great danes. Never not picked up poop immediately♥ 1source record 3064
The main reason I have a fenced off kennel area with a paver floor is shit duty. The dog wants to take a dump on a pretty regular schedule, have them drop the duce in the kennel. Then you can just shovel it into a bin and the rain washes the pavers clean.♥ 1source record 3078
I always feel like we fucked up as a species when we decided it was our responsibility to keep our living areas free from dog shit instead of somehow training the dogs to do it. I do not have an idea how to go about doing this, but we feed and house these animals, the least they can do is clean up after themselves in public. Also, a child eventually grows up to become a useful adult. The best we can expect out of a dog is a period of time where they do not shit on the kitchen floor and even you just have to kind of except it as an inevitability with very young and very old dogs.♥ 1source record 3196
Poop tip. Sprinkle cat litter on it. Come back an hour later and scoop it up. Mom of incontinent dog here.♥ 1source record 3220
I know different countries have different ways of taking care of their dogs, so maybe this is such a difference. But in my country, you normally walk your dog at least three times a day. Grown-up dogs that have the option don’t like to poop in the area they consider their home, and that includes the garden. So with enough walks, with a healthy dog, no dog poo on the lawn …♥ 1source record 3286
Used to struggle with the poopy back yard as well. Then my wife and I started just immediately cleaning it up with a baggy and tossing it in the trash when she went. Honestly I can't believe I ever let it just accumulate the way I did before.This is the way.♥ 1source record 3292
Ex-german shepherd owner with a “DOGSHIT” top tip. I too got exhausted picking up or stepping in his huge dumps. Top tip: use a hose to spray it into the grass while it’s fresh…done. As much as i loved him, he was a ton of work and cash. Have a cat now and probably won’t go back.♥ 1source record 3294
I just pick up the my dog’s poop when he’s done pooping. Hard to step in it when it’s in the trash can.♥ 1source record 3298
It’s tremendous responsibility, physically, financially and emotionally. The more experience you have the better equipped you are to make it easier on yourself. For example, you can get some fencing material and quarter off a section in your backyard just for shitting, that way the rest of your backyard is safe and you only have to clean shit off a small part. It’s another task, but you can walk the dog twice a day and pick up a shit on their walk so that’s less shit in your backyard. It has the extra benefits of tiring out the dog, which is good for hyperactivity and clinginess. Paying a dog walker to come by once or twice a week to take a walk or two off your plate can be helpful too. Doggy daycare can also be helpful. Spend the minimum on a pet insurance plan for accidents only. They can be as cheap as $11 a month. That way if your dog does something stupid you’re not here with a huge financial blow.♥ 1source record 3326
See the thing is though,us clean people don’t consider repeatedly having poop on your floor,maybe more than once a day,anywhere near normal.That’s what I would be watching in a tv show about some people and think to myself “how can anyone live like this?” I could not even imagine having poop around when my daughter was being potty trained.And her poop isn’t even a toxic,e-coli hazard. Dogs and civilised human beings just shouldn’t live together,ever. Outside in their own little house with a fence around? Sure. Anywhere near my entrance?never♥ 1source record 3406
I pick up the poop with doggy poop bags in my backyard each potty break so I don't have to deal with it later on my shoes. The best part is you can then weaponize them by putting them in an unliked individual's trash can. They're most effective on a hot day 😁♥ 1source record 3426
I agree , all the dog poop is horrific♥ 2source record 3493
I grew up having dogs and cats my whole life. When my kids come along, and my last dog passed away from old age, I kind of stopped wanting a dog. Now my kids are older, and they are on their way out of the house, and the thought strikes me, man it'd be nice to have a dog again. And then I think about the dog shit. If you have a dog, there will be shit on your shoes at some point. There will be shit in the house, whether accidental or intentional. I do not want the responsibility of turd Patrol twice a day. This is the exact reason why I don't have goats, a horse, or any other creature that needs its poop picked up. I got chickens, and you literally sweep that shit out into the Run. And I have two cats that prefer to go use a molehill as a bathroom. After 45 years, I think I have honestly had enough of this shit.♥ 1source record 3506
When who ever let's the dog out has to clean up his poop and u wont be walking on it.That includes winter snow sleet rain summerheat and rain. That comes with the dog♥ 1source record 3544
Walk the dog so you can be more aware of where it poops. Take poop bags and pick it up.♥ 1source record 3628
The dog shit gets less fearful over time. You’ll develop a bit of a sixth sense on where to step and how to spot it subconsciously, however, the easiest thing to help with it is to walk your dog instead of just letting her out, then you can pick it up immediately. For me, this had the added effect of training my dog not to poop in her own yard. She flat out refused to poop in our yard, it was great for the grass. I was also able to teach my dog not to eat chocolate. It took a while, but I would let her sniff my hand when I had chocolate in it. I would tell her no, that it would make her sick. Eventually she would come up smell chocolate and walk away immediately. They are much smarter than we give them credit for. A puppy is an additional child, so some of the energy and craziness will calm down as she gets older. Her clinginess is because she loves you and wants to be near you, she probably really loves your kid because they are going to be less of a disciplinarian and more of a playmate.♥ 1source record 3629
I made a 6ft x 6ft area of pea gravel and trained my dog to only go there. Never had to worry about stepping in it ever again. Oh yeah, we clean it up 1-2x per day too.♥ 1source record 3654
Why don’t you pick up the poop straight away? Wait outside until she goes then go and pick it up♥ 1source record 3709
A suggestion for the poop issue is...pick it up after the dog does it's business. I use small trash can liners. They work much better than the dog poop bags that are sold for that exact purpose. They're bigger. Or, at least every day or so, go outside in the yard and pick up all the poop you see. I have three dogs and a small fenced section in my yard. I just do a clean up every morning, after they go, and another one at the end of the day. If I don't do that, I'm going to step in it.... especially if I walk in the grass at night. I also pick up their poop if we go on walks or to a park. It's just being considerate of other people, so they don't step in it.♥ 1source record 3758
We trained my lab to go potty in one specific part of our yard to keep that poop thing from happening. You can also pick up the poop, like city-dwellers do. Anyway, sounds like she needs training.♥ 1source record 3859
For the dog poop thats why I pick up my dogs poop every single time. But my dog is also… strange and doesnt like to poop in our yard. She likes to keep it all nice because when we first moved in the past owners dogs destroyed the yard so had to have it 100% redone.♥ 1source record 3864
I'll just stop you there on the shitting. I was staying at my sisters last year. Her dog shits for the hell of it. Off for a walk, ooh, I'll have a shit, and another and another. I walked her twice a day. Three shits a walk, no problem. Plus a couple in the back garden.♥ 1source record 3921
I've wanted a dog, but the thought of being a poop scooper turns me off♥ 1source record 3989
I have 3 dogs. I call my back yard dog shit city. Gotta clear out the afternoon to pick it all up♥ 1source record 4008
my number one reason to not get a dog, alle the pee and poo.♥ 1source record 4130
then i have have to deal with a massive poop mine field, also apartment living but still good solution♥ 1source record 4198
We trained our dog to only shit in one small area that's fenced off from the kids. No anxiety about going in the garden now!♥ 1source record 4222
My friends had very short dogs so they couldn’t jump very high. They had a little fenced in area of the yard just for pooping. I always said to my husband that if we got a dog we’d have to do that because I hate other people’s and animal poop with a passion.♥ 1source record 4235
This may not be feasible for you, but i know dog owners with turf in place of grass. I also know a couple with a small, enclosed gravel bed just for potty time. The latter took less than 2 months of training before the dog got the gist. The dog is now approaching 14.♥ 1source record 4286
I pick up my dogs poop when he goes or he poops on walks where it’s picked up. That method eliminates the dog poop situation in the yard at least…♥ 1source record 4328
At one point in my life I ended up with 4 dogs. 1 that I chose, 2 from a death in the family, and 1 more stray that noone ever claimed, had posters up for them for months. Walking them all at once was a logistical nightmare, try bagging up poop when it's lashing down and 4 dogs all want to get on the move again. Then when you do get it bagged and on the go again 20 metres further along the next dog decides it's time to pop a squat and drop a log.♥ 1source record 4436
Be happy you don't have 2.4 acres for them to poop in.♥ 1source record 4514
4 dogs here I feel your poop pain♥ 1source record 4535
Now try getting a second dog, for some unknown reason the amount of turds seem to multiply by 4.♥ 1source record 4555
tbh the first one is on you. I own a dog and a backyard and because I didn’t want to overlook any poo and be in your situation, we just casually walk her 3 times a day instead of waiting till she has to poop in the garden. she can use the garden whenever she wants for many hours a day and never pooped there and she even pees there rarely.♥ 1source record 4572
Build a gated fenced in area in the backyard and fill bottom with gravel. Train the dog to pee and poo in there. Everytime you let the dog out to go potty, put the dog in there and close the gate. Do not open until they go potty. Eventually dog will learn, and No more pooping and peeing in grass anymore.♥ 1source record 4581
One way to solve the poop problem is just to walk the dog. You still have to clean it up, but you clean it up right away, you know where it is and it won't sit in the rain. I walked my dog at least 3x a day and had no problems with poop in the yard.♥ 1source record 4719
Sounds slike your dog is being a dog. That said, the shitty situation you're in can be helped... depending on how big your yard is. If you have a super small backyard in Florida, then you're stuck in shit. You can train your dog where to poop. Take him out on a leash and get a little jog in right to where you want him to poop. Usually it's the furthest along one side of the fence or along the back edge of the fence line. Walk him back and forth through that one area and give him a treat and pats when he poops where you want him to. It takes some effort, but one day you wake up and he is leading *you* to that area. Keep doing a little while longer and then youre all good.♥ 1source record 4770
We have the backyard split in half, we used no dig fencing. We also have 7 dogs. Dog yard I clean weekly. People yard for the enjoyment without poop. lol. And for whoever mentioned training with food. Good luck with that on a hound mix! Hounds are the worse to train. They can be. But usually only by shaping the behaviors that are already instinctual!♥ 1source record 4772
For starters there are some valid points and some that’s on you points. Dog poo, I have two larger dogs. Poo patrol every chance I get. I have one of those handled jaw type poo pickers. It’s not a fun job but it has to be done. I have a dog that poops moves poops walks . No big deal I at least know how her diet is going. Rough play time is a training issue. My 1 year old Draht would absolutely savage my wife’s golden. Go after the neck. Not to hurt but just rough as hell play. Through training she has learned play hard but not rough. The golden used to run for the hills. Now when I break up the two playing the golden looks at me as if what the hell we were having fun. Tail is wagging she is smiling and back at it. My dog is my shadow as well. Here again training. If I am busy my dog gets my recliner. If I am in the office she now goes into the bedroom onto the bed. Having dogs eat weird stuff is what dogs do. My dog has eaten so many types of bugs it’s gross. Moths, lantern flies, bees, flies, ants, spiders. Vacations yeah tough as hell. For now we go where we can take the dogs on our travel trailer. A reactive dog is all training and can be fixed. When I take the dogs for a walk. Whenever we pass people or cars drive by I make my dogs whoa and not move until people with or without dogs pass or the cars pass. Cross a road they have to heel. Leash manners are a must. Having dogs is a commitment and isn’t for everyone. If you recognize that then I can understand that. I have had low maintenance dogs and just constant training dogs. My dog has to hunt so she has a purpose and a job. If she does not get mental stimulation she treats the house like a nascar track. Best of luck.♥ 1source record 4818
On the poop in the backyard thing, you need to train them to go to a specific spot. We trained our dog and she only goes in a corner of the backyard. I also am always with her outside and pick up the poop. It's a pain to pick it up sometimes but the backyard isn't gross that way.♥ 1source record 4862
Smaller poops are worse than the big ones. Bigger poops are easy to grab with a bag and stay on top of the grass. They’re also easier to find in the yard.♥ 1source record 5102
Your backyard will be disgusting and smell like dog shit. Your neighbors may complain. Dog shit has a lot of germs and isn’t going to be good for your grass. Unless you have acres of land, it will definitely ruin your yard.♥ 18source record 5119
I mean you could, but then you'd be the house that smells like dog shit every time you pass by or if you have neighbors they will think you are a slob. I live on 8 acres in a very rural area, surrounded by woods. There are two big open fields that our two dogs are free to go poop in while they run around and play. But when they occasionally poop in the yard, it gets picked up so that no one steps in it. If you leave it, it will stink and it makes the grass look gross. My beautiful husky boy is very sanitary and will often go into the woods to do his duty far away from the house and yard where he won't step in it. Our bernedoodle has a habit of pooping in the driveway or wherever he feels like. He's a mess lol If you don't have a big yard, you are supposed to take your dog for a leashed walk at least 2x a day and use either poop baggies or a pooper scooper and to dispose of the poop.♥ 11source record 5120
It's about as viable as never wiping your own butt or changing your underwear. I guess it's physically possible, but it's disgusting and will result in difficulty, if not outright conflict, with the people around you,.♥ 5source record 5121
They’re going to eat it if you don’t get rid of it. that’s enough alone to make it worth the 20 seconds to scoop it each time♥ 9source record 5122
Yeah it’s not viable… the best you could do is live with a humongous yard (like access to a forest or your own farmland basically) and have your dog be trained to return and not run off wild. But even with access to a really big yard dogs are all different and sometimes you’ll get a dog that literally walks 7ft outside the house poops in its favorite spot, steps in its own poop, and then walks back in the house. you’ll be pleased to know that there’s actually services you can hire to come pick up the dog poop in your yard several times a month.♥ 2source record 5124
But you’d have to clean it up as soon as it happens. People have lives and can’t just watch their dog 24/7. Of course they’re not gonna clean the yard up daily. And dogs get diarrhea… have fun picking that up bleh. And the kind of diet that some dogs need so they have normal bowel movements… I mean it’s more than some human meals.♥ -1source record 5130
I live a full and busy life. I clean both of my dog’s poop up immediately after they drop it. It is easier and faster to do it right away. I have done it for over 14 years.♥ 1source record 5131
I have a monster dog with Jurassic park poop. I just don’t pick it up. We live in the woods and have enough land that it’s never been a problem. If I lived somewhere urban where I had to walk my dog every time he needed to use the bathroom, I wouldn’t have one. At least not a big dog♥ 2source record 5132
Dog poop is environmentally corrosive. This is so, so gross.♥ 4source record 5133
I was gonna say like does OP not pick up dog poop immediately after they poop?? I had 3 dogs growing up and my mom left that shit which disgusted me so much that I vowed never to let that happen with my dogs.♥ 1source record 5157
My husband and I were completely aligned with picking it up immediately after. It is just gross to let it sit there for days.♥ 1source record 5158
No amount of training will change the fact that your new routine will include picking up shit at least twice a day for 10 years.♥ 0source record 5297
This. The inescapable reality!♥ 2source record 5298
Just wait till you're older and have children or grandchildren to clean it. I lived with my grandfather for a couple years and I hated picking up the dogs poop in the back yard. What I hated more though was mowing the grass and running over some poop and the smell of hot shit just in the air around me.♥ -1source record 5350
An easier solution if you want a dog (but the only dealbreaker is poop everywhere) is to train them to go in one specific spot whether its indoors or outdoors. Indoors its much easier to achieve, using a pee pad. Its going to cost you the pee pad but I've never had to gamble or double check where my dog could've pooped because if she has to go, she goes on there.♥ 0source record 5420

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Why readers chose it: 29 records, measured almost entirely in sweeping frequency: twice a day for a Great Dane, daily for a black lab, constantly for a household of four goldens. Commenters describe hair as a house-wide tax rather than a chore — on the bed, in the car, on work clothes, clogging radiators and fans, and destroying the vacuums bought to deal with it. Great Pyrenees and German shepherd owners name the seasonal blow-out specifically, and one German shepherd owner says the work was invisible to her until children arrived and she stopped having the bandwidth for it. The one report of the burden lifting comes from a household that temporarily rehomed a heavy shedder and stopped needing to vacuum daily.

What readers reported: Based on all these comments, this is not an unpopular opinion lol! A lot of “I love dogs, but,” I see it though. We have 4, which is a lot. The hair being everywhere is honestly the worst part for me. We can clean our entire house and in one day dust is already back and hair tumbleweeds on the floor. But here’s my unpopular opinion —I will take a dog shitting outside and cleaning it any day than having a cat that shits and pisses inside. And their piss is basically ammonia. We had two, and I will never own a cat again. I don’t fuck with litter boxes. Like others have said, love them as animals —and for some reason cats seem to really like me. But not as a personal pet.

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i am glad your wife & grandma don't own a german shepherd. i have one. i already broke 2 Dyson's.

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I hate the hair. I hate it so much. It’s a daily if not twice daily sweeping to keep up. I love my two dogs, and my German shepherd is like my best buddy, but I’ll never get dogs again. Plus, since the pandemic era and economy tanking I’ve lost substantial income too that I haven’t been able to recover and I can’t afford dogs in the future anyway if it remains this way.

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I HATE IT! I inherited my husbands chocolate lab and he sheds everywhere. He is 6, he is so sweet and I take care of him and love him but omg... I can't wait to never clean up dog hair again. He is also so clingy, up my ass all the time, and he is large so he doesn't get how much space he takes up. Then I thought it would be a great idea to get a shihtzu puppy because I wanted a dog to help me grieve my miscarriage. What the fuck was I thinking? I've committed to 15 years of dogs. I love my dogs a lot, they are amazing companions, and there are more pros than cons. But I told my husband after they both go we are remaining dog free for a LONG time.

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We had a Pyrenees and the amount of shedding that dog did was insane. Plus he needed a bath at least weekly or he stank really really bad.

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We recently temporarily rehomed our heavy shedding dog to my in laws while we prepare to move across the country so we can do showings of our current house and let inspector type people in without having to find somewhere to take her in 90 degree weather multiple times a week. We haven’t had to vacuum every single day and the entire house actually stays clean when it’s been cleaned. I love and miss my dog but I’m dreading moving her into our new house. Dogs are just so nasty all the time. Wet floors from water bowls, random hair everywhere and occasional accidents? I never understood non-pet people but I’m starting to

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i am glad your wife & grandma don't own a german shepherd. i have one. i already broke 2 Dyson's.

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My Aussie won’t let me clean, brush, or trim his pants, so he now sports a shaved bum. Much more practical and it looks better than the matted poop-smeared style he was sporting.♥ 5source record 42
We had a Pyrenees and the amount of shedding that dog did was insane. Plus he needed a bath at least weekly or he stank really really bad.♥ 10source record 177
Totally agree and you didn’t even get into all the hair that goes everywhere inside the house and on your bed if your wife lets them sleep with you. Plus dandruff and drool. And scratches on your hardwood floors from their nails. And don’t leave out anything valuable that they can chew. Plus barking every time the doorbell rings. Plus……♥ 9source record 438
They really need a 'job' that fits into what they are bred to do. Ours helps me put up the chickens, geese, ducks, turkeys every evening. They're highly intelligent, learn commands and hand signals quickly. And shed. OMG do they shed. If they get itchy skin, they shed even more. Ours doesn't bark much, she boofs. She arroos us in greeting. Hasn't have a poop stuck in fur situation yet. Floats like a cork, loves swimming and boating, hates a bath. Fleas are hard to take care of - that thick double coat makes it a problem so ours is rocking a Seresto collar now. Lots to consider with the breed. Heelers are often a poor choice for a lot of people, as are GSD and border collies - they're working breeds and need 'jobs' or they get bored fast, and get destructive.♥ 1source record 803
Mine is a pretty good listener... for the most part... but the shedding is real♥ 1source record 807
Yup. Middle sized breeds are the energy monsters. I watched my best friends Saint Bernard a lot growing up and I had to force it to go outside to go the bathroom because he just wanted to sit and sleep. My room had enough hair In it after a weekend to make fur coats for an entire army division.♥ 2source record 1234
Same here, I have a 10 year old Shepherd mix. She's generally a good dog, but so damn needy. And the shedding... I miss not having furniture covered in hair and hairballs floating through the house like tumbleweeds. To be fair I got her before I had kids, and I lived in a house with lots of space (lost the house due to a fire, now in an apartment) so it was much easier in the beginning. You never know where life is going to take you, and in some regards its harder than a child because the child becomes self sufficient to some extent. The dog will always need you to take her on walks, go potty, buy food, etc.♥ 2source record 1440
Yup. My mom has a huge heart for MASSIVE dogs. My whole life I grew up with a house full of big big fluffy dogs. You love em, but having to take em, especially in the winter (I’m from the north) and then the SHEDDING… god our house was simply never clean. There was no peace from constant hair and slobber everywhere. You cannot leave your food to go get something on a low table either. I will never ever own a dog as an adult.♥ 2source record 2003
OP...just wait till your wife says "awww let our doggy sleep with us on the bed" Dog hair fucking everywhere. Dog people are gross, they have a constant dog smell to them and their clothes. Get a cat, set some boundaries.♥ 6source record 2027
Based on all these comments, this is not an unpopular opinion lol! A lot of “I love dogs, but,” I see it though. We have 4, which is a lot. The hair being everywhere is honestly the worst part for me. We can clean our entire house and in one day dust is already back and hair tumbleweeds on the floor. But here’s my unpopular opinion —I will take a dog shitting outside and cleaning it any day than having a cat that shits and pisses inside. And their piss is basically ammonia. We had two, and I will never own a cat again. I don’t fuck with litter boxes. Like others have said, love them as animals —and for some reason cats seem to really like me. But not as a personal pet.♥ 2source record 2170
Dogs are smelly and everything is covered in doghair♥ 2source record 2242
I have 4. It’s a lot but I wouldn’t trade it for anything. To be fair they are Goldens and Goldens are easy mode for most things except hair. I just live amongst the tumbleweeds though and it’s fine.♥ 1source record 2351
It can be a PIA. I love my dog. She's 13 now and is old. I've told my wife after her I'm done with dogs. It was my first and only dog I've ever owned by myself. Living with my dad we had a dog or two but it never lasted longer than a year. She sheds like crazy we have dog hair all over the house. I remember my sister once asked for a blanket while we had movie night. When I tried to give her one she said "Do you have one without dog hair?" Me and my wife just started laughing.♥ 1source record 2461
I grew up with dogs and still wasn't prepared 🤣 granted, all my dogs growing up were either outside dogs or small dogs that didnt shed much. When i was 20 my now husband and I got a covid puppy in ohr tiny apartment. A black lab. Who sheds like it's his damn job! I love him to death but dear God even if I sweep twice a day there's hair EVERYWHERE! We got a second dog that's a little smaller and doesnt shed as bad as long as I keep him shaved. But I have to shave him multiple times a year or he smells like pee. And the LICKING! It drives me insane.♥ 1source record 2605
I love my dog, but she will certainly be the first and the last. My whole house is covered in short, white dog hairs. No matter how much cleaning or grooming, they are everywhere.♥ 1source record 2756
We have a Great Dane. I’ve never met a short haired dog that sheds as much as this dog. I have to sweep literally twice a day because of the tiny black hairs everywhere. Not to mention the snot and drool. He flips his face and it sprays all over the walls, tv, furniture. I love him but man I’m tired 😂♥ 1source record 3102
The thing about new dog ownership for me was the fur. I thought getting a relatively short haired dog meant less fur management but... jesus christ. I cant. Its so overwhelming sometimes and because i'm relatively low income its just a nightmare scenario for me. Im looking into getting a roomba soon.♥ 1source record 3115
Dude, we have a sweet black mouth cur. God can this dog SHED! I have to sweep constantly.♥ 1source record 3197
Not to mention the cleaning. Oh my God the amount of vaccuming, mopping, brushing, cleaning up after brushing, washing muddy paws, washing dog, washing bedding, making their snacks. If i had no pets I would have so much more spare time not doing ridiculous chores.♥ 1source record 3244
I HATE IT! I inherited my husbands chocolate lab and he sheds everywhere. He is 6, he is so sweet and I take care of him and love him but omg... I can't wait to never clean up dog hair again. He is also so clingy, up my ass all the time, and he is large so he doesn't get how much space he takes up. Then I thought it would be a great idea to get a shihtzu puppy because I wanted a dog to help me grieve my miscarriage. What the fuck was I thinking? I've committed to 15 years of dogs. I love my dogs a lot, they are amazing companions, and there are more pros than cons. But I told my husband after they both go we are remaining dog free for a LONG time.♥ 1source record 3617
I hate the hair. I hate it so much. It’s a daily if not twice daily sweeping to keep up. I love my two dogs, and my German shepherd is like my best buddy, but I’ll never get dogs again. Plus, since the pandemic era and economy tanking I’ve lost substantial income too that I haven’t been able to recover and I can’t afford dogs in the future anyway if it remains this way.♥ 1source record 3796
I have a large shedding breed (German Shepherd) and it was fine until I had kids. I didn’t know how much work I was actually doing to keep the shedding under control until I suddenly didn’t have the bandwidth to do it. I grew up with German Shepherds and I think they are truly amazing dogs, but when our last old guy passes, I might be done with dogs. Every time my kids want to play outside, there’s at least one gigantic poop to pickup. My youngest is still in diapers and I’m just very sick of handling poop in general. My husband sometimes travels for work and I definitely have to sanity check the sounds I hear at night by looking at my dog, so that might be something I miss. I’d get a cat if my husband wasn’t allergic.♥ 1source record 3849
I have a German Shedder (AKA Shepherd). He is indoors with me 98% of the time (which is his preference). The other 2% of the time he’s barking his head off a nothing and nobody in the 1.5 acre fenced yard. His shedding isn’t too bad… he only sheds barrel-loads of thin, kinky hairs that weave into every other fabric twice a year for 6 months at a time. I love him.♥ 1source record 4297
People think I’m some sorry of sociopath for not wanting to own a dog. You listed all the main reasons. I will add to the list that I am a germaphobe and the DOG HAIR everywhere makes me recoil and feel physically sick every time I visit a friend or family member with a four legged friend and my clothes are covered. People say get a doodle or nonshedding breed but many are unethical and they still have dander! Also can’t stand the licking. Or the thought of their dirty paws or butthole directly on my floor, carpet, couch, bedding etc. I do not wear shoes in my house so why would I let a dog just prance dirt and bugs all through my home?!? And what about if they bring in a dead or half alive critter from outside. I would just about need to be put down myself. Also how sad is it when they die?? Seriously awful and devastating. We have friends/family with “bad” dogs who, while sweet & obedient, still need food and anything edible locked up when they leave even though the thing is considered senior. Another’s is so heavily medicated because of its “anxiety” and still requires a muzzle around strangers and can only be watched without the owner by a handful of people. Talk about a logistical nightmare for vacations. I’ve watched both of these people pour thousands into dog training, shock collars, fancy sleep away boarding… I just cannot rationalize wanting a pet; I am not a sociopath. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.♥ 1source record 4314
i am glad your wife & grandma don't own a german shepherd. i have one. i already broke 2 Dyson's.♥ 1source record 4316
I have two Aussies that I love dearly. Honestly, they are both incredibly easy. Bell trained for when they want to go outside, never chew on anything, not hyper, etc. I trained them both to have excellent recall and trained on “words” too, so if they’re annoying me I just tell them “away” and they go to their bed. For me, the hardest bits are the ungodly amount of shedding and traveling. My husband and I are DINKS and like to go on weekend trips often, so it’s either try to find a pet friendly place or find a sitter, which causes slightly more work than if we didn’t have them. I’d say pick up the poop every few days (this is what I do, but I live in a desert so it’s very obvious where it is) and get some training♥ 1source record 4351
My wife decided to sign us up to get a Great Pyrenees (had already paid the guy before we were on the way to look at puppies) and I had no idea what we were in for. First off, barks non stop when outside to defend us like we are livestock. Second, shits like a horse. Third, sheds literally everywhere despite brushing him constantly. Fourth and probably my least favorite, he scratches the shit out of the earth any time he does his business and we have literally no grass in our backyard because of it. Fifth, he pisses about a gallon at a time and destroys any and all plants he can reach in a 5-10ft radius with his super soaker 5000. Sixth, he drools constantly and is a genuinely disgusting animal. Need I continue? We have had some good times and we still get out for hikes, he’s a really good boy and great around our kids. He’s 10 this year and I’ve just accepted it over the years rather than being constantly frustrated. I’ll miss him when he’s gone.♥ 1source record 4764
Man not too mention how much more I have to clean because of having a dog. Dog hair everywhere all the time and I don't even let him get on my furniture lol. Don't worry, he literally has a bed in every room. Also the salvia, the toys, the beds, the crate, the food and water area, the dog smell that pops up all the time, etc lol.♥ 1source record 5162
We recently temporarily rehomed our heavy shedding dog to my in laws while we prepare to move across the country so we can do showings of our current house and let inspector type people in without having to find somewhere to take her in 90 degree weather multiple times a week. We haven’t had to vacuum every single day and the entire house actually stays clean when it’s been cleaned. I love and miss my dog but I’m dreading moving her into our new house. Dogs are just so nasty all the time. Wet floors from water bowls, random hair everywhere and occasional accidents? I never understood non-pet people but I’m starting to♥ 0source record 5394

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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: The smell of the dog, and then of the house

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The smell of the dog, and then of the house

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Situation: Working out whether the house smells and whether anything fixes it

Why readers chose it: 70 records, and the card is a straight disagreement rather than a consensus. Non-owners and recent converts describe a smell that survives bathing, gets into walls, furniture and clothes, and that the owner has gone nose-blind to; owners answer that a bathed, brushed dog with clean teeth does not smell, that a greasy coat in an older dog is treatable rather than inevitable, and that the complainants have simply met badly kept dogs. Both sides supply mechanisms: coat type, drool, ear infections and diet on one side, bathing and grooming frequency on the other. The detail several commenters volunteer, and which neither side disputes, is that they only noticed it after living without a dog.

What readers reported: OP, wait until the grease builds up. Short hair dogs are notorious for it. When they get older bathing even every day won't cure it. They get greasy and itchy and rub against everything and leave stains. It's a smell that won't go away, a grease that won't wash off. You pet them, and your hand gets greasy. Good luck.

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For me it is the smell and the barking. I can't stand the sound of barking. I once asked a dog person if there is a dog breed that doesn't bark at all, and there is supposed to be one but instead of barking they just say yipyipyip. Nope, nope, nope. Cats smell nice and do not bark. They also shit in a box which makes the whole thing much easier to deal with.

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i have two cats and it is ruining my life. one of them has some kind of hair disorder, she has three times as many hairs as a normal cat should have, and she is pure white. my entire apartment is covered in cat hair, dust, bits of litter they carry between their paws, and puke. i leave for 10 hours and there is puke all over the place. i go to bed and wake up and step in puke. i got them the sensitive stomach food- they still puke, mostly her, because she has too much hair and licks herself and pukes. they've spilled cat food all over the floor. i have to keep a faucet running all day for her to drink from because my cat fountain broke, and the constant running water has attracted fruit flies. and she is so affectionate- to the point that i can't be alone and all my clothes are ruined. i'm drowning in cat. i'm dying in here. i'm actually honestly having a really really bad time

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I had a dog. Large mutt. Looked like a German shepherd lab mix. He was HUGE. Took him out of a bad situation. We kinda needed each other then. But as the years went on, I was way more miserable than I wasn't. He stunk, ALL. THE. TIME. Even after expensive trips to the groomer. I could never get the smell out of anything. Or off him. Something to do with the shepherd fur and undercoat. Yuck! I could not walk him, as he never learned what a leash was. He broke leashes, leads, reinforced cable tie outs, you name it. One excited dash, and SNAP! He never learned to alert if he needed to go out. Meaning, if I didn't hear him near the door, or didn't see him in time, he peed on the floor. Even if he'd just come in from outside, this would happen. Worse the older he got. He'd hover in the kitchen. Even of I shooed him off, he'd come right back. I had to lock him in his kennel just to cook. He bit me more than once trying to get food from my hand, that was never intended for him. He'd been to the vet for check up, shots, behavioral issues, but nothing. He was fine. He was dog. He was making me miserable, and I felt bad, and crazy because I resented him. He almost knocked me out once, in a trip to the vet. I was unaware the loose dog inside the door when I opened it. Drug me down and I hit my head. Of course, everyone in the building thought it was hilarious. 🤬 Took him to a different vet after that, one who would allow me straight into a room before anything else. The only good this dog ever brought to me, was a sense of calm. He was big, loud IF he barked, and Hella intimidating looking. I will never have another dog. And I won't get involved with anyone who has a dog. I don't care to visit people who have dogs either. I learned, dogs are really not my thing. I will stick with cats.

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I have liked some dogs but from afar. I can appreciate a good dog.But I can never be the one to touch it or own it.They are so greasy and have that dog smell that infiltrates your entire home and wardrobe. I like working dogs,hunting dogs,useful dogs. It doesn’t help that most owners are pieces of shiz that will compare loss of their dog to you losing your mom or will neglect their kids in favor of their dog. Not for me. Maybe you’re one of the good owners and im glad you found one you like. Im just grossed out and annoyed for the most part.They’re intrusive animals and I like my space.

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Yeah, dogs are not for me, either. They’re also really dirty and stinky.

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Oh my god the smell is what does it for me. The smells and the dampness/wet spots everywhere

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For me, it’s the scent. Dogs just have a scent, and I completely understand why some people can overlook it, but my God it’s not me. The smell of a dog is just so deeply unpleasant to me, and the thought of having that scent around me all the time and on all my furniture just sounds awful. It makes me a little nauseous if I’m honest. I also just can’t deal with getting licked. I don’t want drool on me. And unless you wash their feet after every walk, they track so much dirt in. I absolutely get why people like dogs, but I’m way too much of a neat freak to be one of them.

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This thread is how most average people worldwide think about dog ownership. It is literally more difficult than a baby forever and the horrible bad dog smell never goes.

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Oh my god the smell is what does it for me. The smells and the dampness/wet spots everywhere♥ 170source record 175
I am not a dog person, I’d say that I actively dislike dogs, but my wife is. She got a puppy from a farm that ended up being a 130lb beast. He’s a good boy but I am so tired of the smells, wet spots, FUR EVERYWHERE, the underfoot aloofness, and most importantly, how it affects our schedule!! Many times we’ve had to pass on weekend getaways or overnights because we have no one to watch the dog. Hell, even just having to cut things short because the dog needs to eat or be let out is annoying. Even still, it will be strange when he is gone - he’s almost 7 and turning into a bit of a grandpa haha.♥ 91source record 176
With some dogs, slobber and snot.♥ 11source record 179
I love my Berner friend, but she often smells gnarly. And, you know, dogs eat poo. Meanwhile, my cat decided to sit on my head, and I’m going, “Why do you smell like a deluxe candle from Bath and Bodyworks in the 90s?”♥ 29source record 181
Same. I dont know how i didnt notice it growing up when I lived with dogs. Ive never had a dog in my adult life and anytime I see one now I just think about how much they smell. Cats just seem so much cleaner (hough I do think it might be waht you're used to because other people have said cats are smelly lol)♥ 8source record 194
Regular bathing gets rid of smells. People also don't brush their teeth nearly enough which is a big factor. Just like training, properly mainting hygiene is a huge factor.♥ 16source record 196
Let me hold your hand when I tell you this but your non-dog owners can absolutely still smell your house. No matter how tiny your dogs or clean your home. It stinks.♥ 8source record 197
People just dont bathe their dogs enough. On the other hand, i wouldn’t get a cat in my current apartment because the space is limited and the litter box would have to be in the living room or bedroom and that smell, even when scooped daily- no thanks.♥ 9source record 198
You forgot about having to bathe them and they still smell, barking, licking, having to take them on walks, and many more.♥ 21source record 463
The shedding yes, not sure why he would stink unless you weren't doing sanitary trims of the fur. My boy can go a month and not stink.♥ 3source record 1218
it drives me crazy when dog people say that they dislike cats is because they smell, like as if dogs don't??!!♥ 5source record 1315
No, no it doesn't. No matter how much you wash your dog, it still smells funky the next day. And your house smells funky forever after a dog has lived there long enough. Dog owners go nose blind to it, but trust me, the funky dog smell it absolutely there and permeates.♥ 5source record 1355
Ya, I have a standard poodle, so she has hair instead of fur. No shedding, at all, and she smells pretty good because I just use one of those coconut vanilla dog wipes to freshen her up daily. [Dog tax. ]([link removed]♥ 5source record 1358
Everyone else around you smells him, trust.♥ 4source record 1359
Cats have a very distinct smell lol especially with more than 1. A properly groomed dog smells way better than a cat that cleans itself with its own spit.♥ 2source record 1361
This is what has gotten me as an adult. I couldn't have animals as a kid bc my parents didn't like the smells and now that I'm an adult it's the smells that get me. Idk how I never noticed as a kid lol♥ 1source record 1372
You have to bathe the dog, like more than once a year.♥ 1source record 1373
Something about dog pee bothers me more than cat pee even though its technically easier to clean. I never adjust to the dog pee smell but sadly I've been in environments where I have adjusted to cat pee smell out of necessity. Maybe its just the sheer distance it travels. Even outside, my little dog would have this patch of grass he used for a pee spot, the smell was so bad even outside in fresh air and rain. Mowing the grass was bad and didnt do anything to help.♥ 2source record 1428
Dogs are 100x worse, wet dog smell permeates everything♥ 1source record 1471
i’ve never met a dog that didn’t have horrible breath♥ 1source record 1472
Mate most cats here in the UK at least shit in other people's gardens. At least dog owners have the decency to not allow their dogs onto other people's property. I wash my dog off with water after every walk because he has a pollen allergy. I assure you he is very clean. I brush his teeth daily as well, and I'm certain that 99.9% of cat owners have never once brushed their cat's teeth so their mouth is full of bacteria. The grease depends on the breed. Mine isn't personally, but something like a labrador that is bred to go in water will have an oily coat that does have a smell to it. I don't think that smell is particularly unpleasant personally, but to each their own. My dog doesn't shit in my yard often at all as he usually does so on walks, but when he does it takes literally 30 seconds to clean it up. It's a lot less effort than cleaning out a litter tray – for which I bet a lot of people don't sanitise often and then put it back in their house. Cats lick their genitals as well. It's called grooming, it's how they keep themselves clean. I bet your past partners (if you've had any) have had a dick in their mouth before as well, yet you'd still kiss them. Jumping and humping are just badly trained dogs. A well trained dog wouldn't jump up random people. And again the barking and whining are just badly trained dogs, if they're doing it all day that is. Mine will let out the occasional bark if we're playing or he's excited, but besides that it really isn't frequent. To me personally the needy factor is a feature, but again to each their own. The shedding shouldn't be so much of a problem if you use a deshedding brush on them and actually groom them.♥ 2source record 1628
People that leave an invasive pest outside are irresponsible. I can avoid literally all of that work by not having a dog. You and your home stinks, you're just noseblind.♥ 1source record 1735
This!!! I grew up with cats and nobody warned me how often I need to wash my dog and how bad they smell♥ 2source record 1846
Once you get a dog your standard of higiene and sometimes living go down to the level of the dog and you end up getting used to it. You can instantly tell when you go into a house if a dog lives there or not because of the smell or other things you mentioned. I love dogs, and enjoy their company but they will do animal things no matter how well trained they are, it’s just what it is.♥ 2source record 1864
It’s the constant shit breath panting for me. Also if you don’t bathe them every second they stink and feel grimy, they’re not even actually very soft even when you do bathe them.♥ 2source record 1865
OP, wait until the grease builds up. Short hair dogs are notorious for it. When they get older bathing even every day won't cure it. They get greasy and itchy and rub against everything and leave stains. It's a smell that won't go away, a grease that won't wash off. You pet them, and your hand gets greasy. Good luck.♥ 9source record 1929
This is true. My old dog, Mable (Mootie, Moo Moo) produced what we called “Moo Grease”. It was on the walls where she liked to lie. I love dogs, but I’m older and the quiet calm of cats is where it’s at.♥ 9source record 1930
Yea agree with all your points. Never understood dog owners and why they would want that. On top of that, the drool… the smell. The no self awareness. They need humans.♥ 2source record 2010
You forgot how stinky they are!♥ 7source record 2109
i found that most dog owners who would berate you for saying this just live nasty ass lives and dont clean their houses, barely take showers, dont wash their clothes. same people who come into work smelling like actual dog shit somehow without being aware of it♥ 2source record 2151
Dogs are barnyard animals that should live in the barn with the livestock. The dander the fur the musky scent? Why the fuck would you bring that into your house?!? So gross.♥ 2source record 2302
Dogs smell so bad and make everything so dirty. They just don't belong as pets.♥ 4source record 2393
It’s the smell for me, I love dogs to death but sometimes they can smell like hot raw chicken♥ 1source record 2492
I got turned off of dogs forever when I regularly went to my best friend’s house growing up where they had two. One was massive, and they were both untrained, intact males. They didn’t regularly bathe these dogs. Their entire house reeked, their furniture was caked in grime and the dogs would billow dirt when you pet them. They peed and pooped in the house and would leave “excretions” wherever they laid. And they thought all of this was fine and normal.♥ 1source record 2535
My $1800 couch smells like dog because she wants to lay all over it and lick herself, leaving a puddle of drool. Yeah, dogs are over rated.♥ 1source record 2667
I thought I wanted a dog until I got a senior cat and lived with my roommate's dog. She's a sweet girl but goddamn did she smell, and was undisciplined. I don't think I can tolerate an undisciplined dog. Im also disabled and walking a dog is too much for me, and the level of energy is not something I can keep up with. Same with young cats.♥ 1source record 3013
Honestly I love cats (the Egyptians thought they were gods for a reason), but in general I have found that indoor anything pet-related is a massive pain in the ass and I'm often thankful that my career is unsuitable for having pets. The smells alone. Jesus. Get it out of my living space!!!♥ 1source record 3048
Yeah, dogs are not for me, either. They’re also really dirty and stinky.♥ 1source record 3085
Thank you. Holy shit thank you. I’ve been saying this for years, “Dogs are great, but I would never own one” and I get looked at like an alien. I have never pet a dog that didn’t leave my hand feeling grimy with “dog” smell clinging to it viciously.♥ 1source record 3208
I had a dog. Large mutt. Looked like a German shepherd lab mix. He was HUGE. Took him out of a bad situation. We kinda needed each other then. But as the years went on, I was way more miserable than I wasn't. He stunk, ALL. THE. TIME. Even after expensive trips to the groomer. I could never get the smell out of anything. Or off him. Something to do with the shepherd fur and undercoat. Yuck! I could not walk him, as he never learned what a leash was. He broke leashes, leads, reinforced cable tie outs, you name it. One excited dash, and SNAP! He never learned to alert if he needed to go out. Meaning, if I didn't hear him near the door, or didn't see him in time, he peed on the floor. Even if he'd just come in from outside, this would happen. Worse the older he got. He'd hover in the kitchen. Even of I shooed him off, he'd come right back. I had to lock him in his kennel just to cook. He bit me more than once trying to get food from my hand, that was never intended for him. He'd been to the vet for check up, shots, behavioral issues, but nothing. He was fine. He was dog. He was making me miserable, and I felt bad, and crazy because I resented him. He almost knocked me out once, in a trip to the vet. I was unaware the loose dog inside the door when I opened it. Drug me down and I hit my head. Of course, everyone in the building thought it was hilarious. 🤬 Took him to a different vet after that, one who would allow me straight into a room before anything else. The only good this dog ever brought to me, was a sense of calm. He was big, loud IF he barked, and Hella intimidating looking. I will never have another dog. And I won't get involved with anyone who has a dog. I don't care to visit people who have dogs either. I learned, dogs are really not my thing. I will stick with cats.♥ 1source record 3227
Yeah I’ve had them all my life until now and while the companionship is amazing and it’s really rewarding to watch them grow and develop with proper training but the smell all over the house, the fur everywhere, worrying about them getting out or into scuffles with other dogs, worrying about kids and people who are scared of dogs(people are so nervous these days you’ll end up on Judge Judy for one excited jump) not being able to be away from home for more than a few hours without feeling bad it’s all nice to be done with. Kids are more work but much less of an inconvenience tbh♥ 1source record 3355
Dont forget the smell. Getting dog smell off of you when you go to work ... Oy.... (had a now-ex-girlfriend with a dog that was God's stupidest animal on earth)♥ 1source record 3461
Also, no matter how well you clean, your house always smells like wet dog. That musty, dirty smell is something I just can’t get over.♥ 1source record 3727
Specially when they make your room dirty and smelly 😭♥ 1source record 3739
All dogs have a weird smell whether people want to admit it or not. I can always tell someone has a dog, no matter how clean they are. Pretty much all you’ve mentioned are reasons why I would never get a dog.♥ 1source record 3741
They are disgusting, hair everywhere pee poop everywhere. I have been a residential service man for 15 years, I can tell if you have animals just front standing on your porch.♥ 1source record 3926
The shitting and that funky dog smell that permeates everything is why I'll never have a dog.♥ 1source record 3940
Beginning of The third paragraph and beyond has me in tears Bro! This is exactly why I won’t get a dog. Plus they make the house smell like dog and you can’t get rid of that or the hair easily.♥ 1source record 4039
Other big thing with dogs I personally am not a fan of...the smell. My god, the smell! X_x one of my co-workers had two boxers, he would bring them to work, the Elder of the two would pee everywhere inside the store, and the other one was scared of her own shadow. Both of them had to stay in one of the offices up front and for days afterwards you could tell the dogs were in that office because of the smell. It was like a combination of wet dog, mold, and like the most disgusting dog breath combined with that ammonia from pee. And the crazy thing was, he bathed those dogs pretty often. So that's one thing I couldn't deal with is the smell.♥ 1source record 4121
The smell of the house - forever. Hairs everywhere, on all your clothes, mud, the fact that they only live for like 7-10 years♥ 1source record 4164
My problem with dogs is anytime I pet them my hands smell absolutely disgusting afterwards and it really bothers me. I have resigned to just needing to wash my hands after petting one but it’s not always possible.♥ 1source record 4268
I'm surprised you didn't mention how dirty they are. Stepping in their piss and shit and they bring that into the house and for some people they bring that into the bed with them. Just nasty.♥ 1source record 4285
I grew up with dogs and loved them. As an adult I agree 100% with everything you said. Plus, they smell and make your house smell. You don't think they do, but they do. Plus, if you want a weekend away or take a vacation, the dog either comes with you or you have to arrange a sitter. Dogs a great, but they certainly aren't for me.♥ 1source record 4368
For me, it’s the scent. Dogs just have a scent, and I completely understand why some people can overlook it, but my God it’s not me. The smell of a dog is just so deeply unpleasant to me, and the thought of having that scent around me all the time and on all my furniture just sounds awful. It makes me a little nauseous if I’m honest. I also just can’t deal with getting licked. I don’t want drool on me. And unless you wash their feet after every walk, they track so much dirt in. I absolutely get why people like dogs, but I’m way too much of a neat freak to be one of them.♥ 1source record 4426
Dogs all smell bad. I have never met a dog I’d want to share a living space with. I basically like everything else about dogs except the smell.♥ 1source record 4444
I agree with this. I absolutely love my dog, he's a good chap - sweet as anything, so loving. But my god is it hard work, when I moved into my place everything was so clean and smelt amazing. Now the carpet is always filthy, the place stinks, my clothes are always covered in hair and I'm forever concerned I smell because of going nose blind. Then just basic life, I'm chilling after a long day and he's right in my face at all times. Love him to death, really good lad but yeah it's constant♥ 1source record 4666
Yeah I’ve always loved dogs, envisioned having many when I “grew up”. Now I have grown up and had a kid and I still love dogs and all animals but I’m good on ever owning my own. My partner had one when we started talking and we now live together so it’s our dog, buuut she’s a St. Bernard/newfoundland mix and she’s so big and gross and there’s drool all over our walls and she’s so clingy with him and her head reaches the countertops and ugh I’d be happy to never get another dog after she goes 😭 just ever since having a kid, I’ve seen dogs more as the animals they are rather than the “babies” I thought they were.♥ 0source record 4757
Yeah, my parents got a dog when I was in my young teens. At first it was fine, I wasn’t aware of the downsides, he was a rescue and it was cute seeing him open up to the world and run full pelt with no ability to steer because he was a mutt made of working dogs that was never allowed to run so it became a game of dodge or laugh when someone got taken out. But then I began to despise him because he was stinky and my house stank of dog so I hated walking in or having anyone over and for a teenager that was like the most embarrassing thing ever, very oily fur so petting him was gross, shed more fur than any animal I’ve met ever, poop everywhere, walking obligation which included poop clean up. As he got old these issues only got worse too and he started to lose control of his bowels and would just poop and I was the only one who ended up stepping in it. He would also stare at you which was annoying and uncomfortable, I think it’s a collie thing. I’ll never ever get my own dog, I love other people’s dogs because I can pet them and watch them do cute things and not have to deal with anything else♥ 1source record 4819
Plus their stench, hair and annoying sounds too 🤢♥ 1source record 4853
Drool, pee, sweat, some liquid they knocked over♥ 2source record 5030
The smell of wet dog 💀 I can't stand it♥ 1source record 5049
i think i have a sensitive nose because i can smell it from a good couple feet away, especially if a dog is panting hard or is untrained and jumpy. i don’t hate dogs but if they get too close to me with an open mouth the smell makes me gag :(♥ 1source record 5065
My partner has greyhounds and they’re the worst smelling dogs I’ve encountered 🫠 might just be a me thing. He did say the diet they’re on when they race (he rescued them) can fuck their teeth and it can be quite common for people to think they smell bad. I have a lab x staffy, my 12yo 30kg baby is my comfort smell ngl♥ 1source record 5068
This thread is how most average people worldwide think about dog ownership. It is literally more difficult than a baby forever and the horrible bad dog smell never goes.♥ -6source record 5235
Mable was bathed and she was not smelly. The grease used to just build up between baths. I resent being called neglectful by an internet rando. Ask my vet how I went above and beyond for an often fractious rescue dog that was practically feral when we adopted her. She was a larger dog who lived 16 good years. She was very much loved and cared for.♥ 1source record 5261
If you say so. I say if it isn't genetic, then it's a simple issue with a direct cause that you can prevent entirely, because it's an extremely common condition in aging dogs. Bathing is not a full solution and if your vet didn't tell you that then they did you and your dog a disservice.♥ 1source record 5262
Yeah, imagine having hair all over your body but NEVER washing or shampooing it. Fucking gross. It's why I don't pet certain dogs. I can't imagine having that shit on your stuff at home. 🤮♥ 1source record 5273
...the are issues requiring you put in effort, just for the animal to be slightly less of a pain in the ass. For me, the smell is the worst. It is unique, sweaty/cornchip/sweet smell that is fairly universal. Then also sometimes it smells of poop and pee on top of it. Can walk into any home and immediately know they have a dog. It took us 10 months to find a home because one of my non-negotiables was the previous owner couldnt have a dog-takes too long and too much deep cleaning to get the smell out. Out realtors was like well we cant know that going in you have to see the home. If we were not able to tell from photos (dog crates, toys, etc) we immediately knew on entering the home.♥ 1source record 5276
I have liked some dogs but from afar. I can appreciate a good dog.But I can never be the one to touch it or own it.They are so greasy and have that dog smell that infiltrates your entire home and wardrobe. I like working dogs,hunting dogs,useful dogs. It doesn’t help that most owners are pieces of shiz that will compare loss of their dog to you losing your mom or will neglect their kids in favor of their dog. Not for me. Maybe you’re one of the good owners and im glad you found one you like. Im just grossed out and annoyed for the most part.They’re intrusive animals and I like my space.♥ 2source record 5370
Since birth, my house has always had at least one cat consecutively. I dog sit for friends very frequently and it further confirms to me that cats are elite for multiple reasons. Dogs smell musty. They have to be let out multiple times a day to pee or poop. The barking 😳. Jumping. Licking at maximum volume. Up your ass with their nose and sniffing when you return back to the home. Every. Single. Time. Not one dog I've watched has been good on a leash. Panting and drooling. Wirey fur shedding that weaves its way into every fiber. And that's as someone who doesn't own a dog. The pet food and vet bills would solidify that I'm just not a future dog owner. Love them from afar and when I get paid to watch them.♥ 0source record 5439

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Chewed, stolen and destroyed13 index entriesNamed objects and named damage, from a cedar chair cut in half to a bay window and a carpet-cleaner's estimate.
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Chewed, stolen and destroyed

13 source records

Situation: Replacing what the dog got to

Why readers chose it: 13 records, and they read as an inventory rather than an argument: a cedar chair chewed through all sixteen slats until it came apart, a bay window knocked out, a screen door broken more times than the owner counted, half a pair of over-ear headphones, a Sunday roast taken off the table, laminate flooring ruined by urine, trash cans that now have to be taped shut. A professional carpet cleaner puts a range on the damage he has seen inside dog and cat households. What is notable is the tone: almost none of these commenters offer the damage as their reason for regretting the dog. It appears as the running cost of an ordinary one.

What readers reported: Took in a puppy for off the street a year ago. So far she has destroyed all the grass in the backyard dug so many holes, broke the screen door so many times I’ve lost count, chewed through my basement door trying to get the cats when they run downstairs. Broken the glass door in the front of the house, ate almost every pair of shoes I own, chewed up brushes, pens, hangers, remotes, blankets, and every dog bed I’ve bought her. She has ninja flipped off the bed into the tv stand and ruined my brand new 60 inch tv. 😩 within the first week of having her she apparently had Parvo and got really sick and I had to pay $600 in vet bills to get her better. She is the first and last dog I’ll ever take in.

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Took in a puppy for off the street a year ago. So far she has destroyed all the grass in the backyard dug so many holes, broke the screen door so many times I’ve lost count, chewed through my basement door trying to get the cats when they run downstairs. Broken the glass door in the front of the house, ate almost every pair of shoes I own, chewed up brushes, pens, hangers, remotes, blankets, and every dog bed I’ve bought her. She has ninja flipped off the bed into the tv stand and ruined my brand new 60 inch tv. 😩 within the first week of having her she apparently had Parvo and got really sick and I had to pay $600 in vet bills to get her better. She is the first and last dog I’ll ever take in.

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Growing up we tried to train the dog not to take food from the counter, 5 people giving her treats and letting her lick plates clean before we clean them ourselves made this incredibly difficult, she used to get food from the counter and she stole a pizza on more then one occasion, we couldnt have windows open too since she broke the screens on all of them on the main level too. I miss her like hell though still

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I felt I was a bad dog owner. I got one with my ex and I don't think she realized how hard it was. I had my couch torn up and it was only last year that I got my floor replaced. Some laminate floors end up really bad if a dog pisses on them. That said, eventually he calmed down. I broke up with my ex and she got the dog for a few years until stuff happened and I got the dog back for the rest of his life. After that, I tried to be a halfway decent owner. Walks everyday and the like. When I got a job locally, I didn't want to keep him in the crate all day (eventually we did crate training and that helped) so I would walk him on my breaks and if I was late I would get my parents to take him out. Having a local doggy daycare was also a life saver afterwards. But yeah, he had to be put down last year due to cancer. The cancer did a nasty job, and it broke through a bone in his nose. Despite that, he was very active and very energetic, which made it harder to put him down because he still had so much energy.

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Agreed. My husband’s pug is a monster. He can open trashcans with the pedal. He eats tissues and feminine products then proceeds to throw them up all over the house. I have to tape all trash cans shut. The hair.. the smell.. its horrible. My new house just smells like swamp dog ass and I hate it so much. Idk if he just wasn’t trained right or what but this mfkr is the bane of my existence especially with a toddler he’ll try to snap at. Im like can we get rid of this thing yet?? Im stuck taking care of him and the baby and it sucks. I have to keep them separate due to his behavior towards the baby like not okay. My husband doesn’t do anything for this dog while I have to. I still treat him love and stuff but I just cant take this shit anymore. He ruins all my furniture and blankets and sucks on the edges and other things. Cant leave any clothing on the floor. Cat person now and always. This dog drives to me drink some days lol…

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My grandma's Labrador ate the whole Sunday roast off the table when she went to the door to let the visitors in.

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We have a black lab, but before him we had a yellow who was basically a California-surfer-dude in a dog's body, and a chocolate lab who was just an anxious, neurotic mess (but, secretly my favourite of them all...). Anyway, the chocolate lab, Hudson, once ate half a pair of quality over-the-ear headphones. Literally, consumed half a pair of headphones. But that is not the worst. He once barfed up an entire bar of soap, and then the next week he barfed up an entire log of poo. An entire log of the stuff. Barfed up on my front walkway. Still miss that sad little f'er. He was a good dog.

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We can’t have nice couches but sometimes our dogs throw up on them. We have couch coverings on them, which makes our place look very unaesthetic. And bc no one is home 8 hours a day, sometimes our boys pee off their mat. Step on it and leave pee tracks in the house.

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Swap instead of subtract 2Use a sensory reset 2

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My grandma's Labrador ate the whole Sunday roast off the table when she went to the door to let the visitors in.♥ 38source record 312
Took in a puppy for off the street a year ago. So far she has destroyed all the grass in the backyard dug so many holes, broke the screen door so many times I’ve lost count, chewed through my basement door trying to get the cats when they run downstairs. Broken the glass door in the front of the house, ate almost every pair of shoes I own, chewed up brushes, pens, hangers, remotes, blankets, and every dog bed I’ve bought her. She has ninja flipped off the bed into the tv stand and ruined my brand new 60 inch tv. 😩 within the first week of having her she apparently had Parvo and got really sick and I had to pay $600 in vet bills to get her better. She is the first and last dog I’ll ever take in.♥ 2source record 2557
My dogs have destroyed so much stuff, including knocking out our bay window. That was an expensive fix.♥ 1source record 2580
Buddy boy, those complaints are nothing. We had a cedar chair where the left side was connected to the right side by 8 horizontal seat slats and 8 horizontal back slats. Our lab chewed straight through the middle of all of the seat and back slats cutting the chair in two. We lived on 15 acres and our home was halfway into the property. I would put trash in the bed of my truck and drop it off at the can near the road. One afternoon I put a a Diaper Genie “sausage bag” of dirty diapers in the back of the truck. I went inside for 15 minutes and when I came back outside… dirty diapers, opened, everywhere. One Thanksgiving I woke up and went to take a shower but we didn’t have any water pressure. I guessed either the breaker to the well flipped or ants got into the pressure switch (wtf do they do that?!). Nope, buddy boy dug down 6 feet to the water main from the well to the house and chewed through 1 1/2” pvc. We had a literal pond in our backyard. I could go on, but you get the idea.♥ 1source record 2835
Agreed. My husband’s pug is a monster. He can open trashcans with the pedal. He eats tissues and feminine products then proceeds to throw them up all over the house. I have to tape all trash cans shut. The hair.. the smell.. its horrible. My new house just smells like swamp dog ass and I hate it so much. Idk if he just wasn’t trained right or what but this mfkr is the bane of my existence especially with a toddler he’ll try to snap at. Im like can we get rid of this thing yet?? Im stuck taking care of him and the baby and it sucks. I have to keep them separate due to his behavior towards the baby like not okay. My husband doesn’t do anything for this dog while I have to. I still treat him love and stuff but I just cant take this shit anymore. He ruins all my furniture and blankets and sucks on the edges and other things. Cant leave any clothing on the floor. Cat person now and always. This dog drives to me drink some days lol…♥ 1source record 3216
Growing up we tried to train the dog not to take food from the counter, 5 people giving her treats and letting her lick plates clean before we clean them ourselves made this incredibly difficult, she used to get food from the counter and she stole a pizza on more then one occasion, we couldnt have windows open too since she broke the screens on all of them on the main level too. I miss her like hell though still♥ 1source record 3338
As a professional carpet cleaner I have seen in excess of 50 to 70 thousand dollars in damage in homes of both dog and cat owners and suffice to say there is zero chance I will ever own a furry pet again in my life. Not one that lives indoors anyways. Maybe if I had a country home I'd have outdoor animals but they aint ever coming inside ever, lol. I aint got the patience or time for it.♥ 1source record 3801
No literally my dog is a major pain in my ass, and he’s a relatively “good dog”. Dogs are animals in your house that will act like animals. There are days when I’m already hanging by a thread emotionally, physically, and financially… and then my dog chews up a pair of earbuds, eats the dinner I prepared from the counter, or gets sprayed by a skunk. I will never get a dog again until I’m retired, and even that is a hard MAYBE. Also everyone acts like adopting is so superior, but it’s actually kind of dumb af because you don’t know the breed or potential temperament of your puppy. I was so naive when we adopted our dog from a friend who was fostering him. I just don’t have the bandwidth to enjoy the experience most days.♥ 1source record 4392
I felt I was a bad dog owner. I got one with my ex and I don't think she realized how hard it was. I had my couch torn up and it was only last year that I got my floor replaced. Some laminate floors end up really bad if a dog pisses on them. That said, eventually he calmed down. I broke up with my ex and she got the dog for a few years until stuff happened and I got the dog back for the rest of his life. After that, I tried to be a halfway decent owner. Walks everyday and the like. When I got a job locally, I didn't want to keep him in the crate all day (eventually we did crate training and that helped) so I would walk him on my breaks and if I was late I would get my parents to take him out. Having a local doggy daycare was also a life saver afterwards. But yeah, he had to be put down last year due to cancer. The cancer did a nasty job, and it broke through a bone in his nose. Despite that, he was very active and very energetic, which made it harder to put him down because he still had so much energy.♥ 1source record 4455
I had dogs all through my childhood but as an adult I don't think I will ever own one. On top of the very real reasons OP stated, there's also furniture and floor damage from accidents, vomiting, their nails scratching the finish. We also had a few dogs who loved chewing shoes, the legs of chairs and anything else they could get their mouth around when they were puppies. Training them is a pain in the butt, but it's pretty necessary so that they don't jump up on people or take off when you open your front door. Also, every dog we ever owned growing up, would bark and howl bloody murder when someone so much as dared to walk past our house. And of course, depending on the breed and dog's size, there is always the possibility that your dog snaps and literally just rips someone's throat out. On top of all that, I find dogs waaaay too needy for my liking; my personality is just better suited to a pet that doesn't demand as much attention, like cats😻♥ 1source record 4476
Owning a dog blows. I have two that were brought to live with me because of a relationship, and they are menaces. We don't neglect them, but they eat everything, they then proceed to throw everything up (because they won't stop eating everything), they destroy furniture, they leave so much hair (even after being brushed) to the point where we've had to replace several vacuums, etc., etc. One of the dogs has severe anxiety, which basically means that we're not allowed to be out of sight from her for more than 5 minutes, or she will make a shit ton of noise, or destroy something. She has already ruined an entire room of the house. We can't have guests over unless she is heavily medicated because she gets so stressed out that a normal get together can't function properly with her in the room. When it rains, she gets so panicked that we have to wait out the rain, or, once again, heavily medicate her so that she can function appropriately at all. And I'm not talking about loud thunderstorms either. One drop of rain hits the window, and she's acting out immediately. I'm not kidding. Picture yourself laying in bed with a calming rain tapping against your windows. It's a great scene. Except I can't do that anymore, because the dog is so freaked out by it that she tries to carve out her own space in the room by moving everything in it. Needless to say, it's frustrating. Honestly, picking up dog shit is the least of my concerns. I have no problem doing that. It takes 3 minutes of my day. It's the rest of the day that's so stressful and irritating. The other dog isn't as anxious, but is just a big dumb arsehole that eats everything under the sun. Whenever people talk about their dogs, I'm the big dickhead in the room that says he doesn't like owning them because they are ridiculous menaces that won't ever just be quiet and relax. We also have two young children, and they're saints by comparison. At least if they throw up or try to eat something they're not supposed to eat, you can just talk to them. You can't talk to these furry pricks. They never learn a damn thing. It's sad, because I used to be a dog person. I've even encountered serious dog bites and still loved dogs (and that was after getting 11 rabies vaccines). But, these two have really reversed my opinion on dog ownership. The 5 minutes a day that they spend being cute just isn't worth all the hassle of actually owning them. Not even close. TL;DR - don't own dogs, and if you're dead set on owning one, get a really small one that won't invade all of your space. Also, investigate them for any anxiety issues before you take them home. These issues will ruin your existence.♥ 1source record 4556
We can’t have nice couches but sometimes our dogs throw up on them. We have couch coverings on them, which makes our place look very unaesthetic. And bc no one is home 8 hours a day, sometimes our boys pee off their mat. Step on it and leave pee tracks in the house.♥ 1source record 4726
We have a black lab, but before him we had a yellow who was basically a California-surfer-dude in a dog's body, and a chocolate lab who was just an anxious, neurotic mess (but, secretly my favourite of them all...). Anyway, the chocolate lab, Hudson, once ate half a pair of quality over-the-ear headphones. Literally, consumed half a pair of headphones. But that is not the worst. He once barfed up an entire bar of soap, and then the next week he barfed up an entire log of poo. An entire log of the stuff. Barfed up on my front walkway. Still miss that sad little f'er. He was a good dog.♥ 1source record 4906

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Diarrhoea, accidents and the 3am clean-up26 index entriesThe mess that is not routine, described by the people who were awake for it.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Diarrhoea, accidents and the 3am clean-up

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Diarrhoea, accidents and the 3am clean-up

26 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: The mess that is not the routine mess

Why readers chose it: 26 records about clean-ups that were not on the schedule, and they are mostly nocturnal: a bedroom floor covered in watery stool at three in the morning, a puppy that smeared it through the house, a dog that drags itself across the carpet, a dog that eats its own or another dog's waste and vomits it onto a rug. Two owners of dogs that were kennel-raised or used as breeding stock describe house training that never took hold at all. Several connect this directly to the diet argument elsewhere in the thread — and several others report that they made every diet change suggested and it did not fix it.

What readers reported: I had the easiest dog ever, smart, sturdy and gentle with kids and other dogs. Everyone loved her, neighbours cried when she passed. It was still work. I will never forget that time when I got home late from work, like 1 am late, got in bed and got woken up a couple hours in by my dog's whimpers, and I woke up to the *whole literal floor* of my room covered in watery shit. Getting up while still half asleep, cleaning everything, giving the dog a bath, comforting the dog, calling the emergency vet for guidance, trying to sleep a bit more... And then getting up for work again. That was some rough night. You also have the late night walks before bed, the vet visits, the training, and then one day they get older and sick and die, and it's the most painful thing I've ever felt. Now, I'm the kind of person cut for this, I've always had pets in my family, and I'm glad to do what needs to be done. But it is not for everyone, and not even in every life stage. It's not right for me at this moment with a 15 month old kid.

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you mentioned the dog shit, and you mentioned eating "dodgy" stuff, but you left out the part where those two things are combined. dogs will eat literal shit when they find it. they will eat it AND roll around in it. i hope you enjoy cleaning mystery shit out of their their teeth and fur. rabbit shit, deer shit, other dogs' shit, their own shit, dirty diapers and wipes if there is a baby in the house, and by far the worst of all, CAT SHIT. and no, it has nothing to do with nutrient deficiency. our vet prescribed specific food to prevent this nasty habit, but it makes no difference. dogs' brains are literally broken and they will eat shit if they find it. the only solution is constant vigilance. you have to see the shit before they do.

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I love my dog but he came with fleas and the flea treatment the rescue organisation used, then the type we used, didn’t work on him. Meanwhile our whole house was infested and we were going overseas so we set off a flea bomb. Absolutely ruined my health (followed the instructions carefully) for several years and cost us a fortune in healthcare, replacing carpets and furniture and belongings. Still have the dog 10 years later, have a good preventative that works for him but oh my goodness do I regret ever adopting him.

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Lord almighty have I learned this the hard way. My bulldog just cannot for the life of her master potty training. We got her when she was 4, and in her past life she was a breeding mother kept in a crate 24/7/365. No outside potty, no outside anything. She peed and pooped in the crate, laid in it, slept and ate in the crate, and from time to time they’d hose out the crate. Awful. When she came home, outside was new to her, and the first time she did a zoomie, she stunned herself. We first tried the standard crate training approach. That was obviously dumb because she thought it was a porta potty. She’d go in there, poop, come back out. She had absolutely no qualms whatsoever about “soiling her den” or laying in her own waste. We tried taking her out frequently, like every hour. We gave her treats and praise when she went outside. That worked ok, she’d gladly go outside when we took her outside. But no part of her brain thought that if she had to go she should tell us or wait, so she’d go outside, come back in, pee on the rug 20 minutes later, and go back to snoozing. Finally, we trained her to use a real grass pad inside. We did that instead of wee wee pads so she could understand that grass is good and rug-like things are bad. She actually got pretty good at it. It wasn’t ideal, but no worse than a litter box, and for years she was pretty good with it. Over the last year, she’s untrained herself. She still uses the grass pad about half the time, and still goes outside when we take her outside, but then just goes where she wants the rest of the time. We keep trying but at this point are just resigned to the fact that she’s not a deep thinker, not an easily trainable breed, and unfortunately her first 4 years just can’t be undone. We invest most of our energy in cleaning 😅

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I love my dog but he came with fleas and the flea treatment the rescue organisation used, then the type we used, didn’t work on him. Meanwhile our whole house was infested and we were going overseas so we set off a flea bomb. Absolutely ruined my health (followed the instructions carefully) for several years and cost us a fortune in healthcare, replacing carpets and furniture and belongings. Still have the dog 10 years later, have a good preventative that works for him but oh my goodness do I regret ever adopting him.

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Yorkies are notoriously difficult to potty train. Mine are trained to go outside or the garage. We have a doggie door that they come and go leading to the safety of the garage. There are pee pads there that they use. They mostly prefer the outside though. They use the garage for convenience and bad weather. They are reliable for the most part. The older one (1 1/2 yr ) has accidents…er “retaliation “ on occasion. I’ve been told many times that Yorkies have a tendency to regress. They say that it usually clicks by two years old. 🤞

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Yo tengo una chihuahua ya de 11 años y aveces se me orina en la cocina y la sala, si quiero irme de viaje tengo que ver con quien dejarla y hace poco tenía tos y la tuve que llevar al veterinario

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I love my dog so much He's an idiot tho He doesn't know where to use the potty outside. In the grass. Like a normal dog. If it's wet grass? He won't go. If it's raining? Won't go. Grass needs cutting? He won't go. I have to drag his ass onto the grass regardless of what's going on out there because he just can't bring himself to do it. If left unattended, he pisses and shits right in the driveway pavement. This enrages me to no end. If it's hot out, my entire back yard smells like hot dog piss or shit. I'm so fucking over it lol he is helpless. I won't be getting pets ever again once all mine have lived their lives. I'm so sick of the bullshit haha

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Across 26 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Turn it into a game” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.

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Turn it into a game 2

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The vengeance pee drives me nuts♥ 5source record 764
Lord almighty have I learned this the hard way. My bulldog just cannot for the life of her master potty training. We got her when she was 4, and in her past life she was a breeding mother kept in a crate 24/7/365. No outside potty, no outside anything. She peed and pooped in the crate, laid in it, slept and ate in the crate, and from time to time they’d hose out the crate. Awful. When she came home, outside was new to her, and the first time she did a zoomie, she stunned herself. We first tried the standard crate training approach. That was obviously dumb because she thought it was a porta potty. She’d go in there, poop, come back out. She had absolutely no qualms whatsoever about “soiling her den” or laying in her own waste. We tried taking her out frequently, like every hour. We gave her treats and praise when she went outside. That worked ok, she’d gladly go outside when we took her outside. But no part of her brain thought that if she had to go she should tell us or wait, so she’d go outside, come back in, pee on the rug 20 minutes later, and go back to snoozing. Finally, we trained her to use a real grass pad inside. We did that instead of wee wee pads so she could understand that grass is good and rug-like things are bad. She actually got pretty good at it. It wasn’t ideal, but no worse than a litter box, and for years she was pretty good with it. Over the last year, she’s untrained herself. She still uses the grass pad about half the time, and still goes outside when we take her outside, but then just goes where she wants the rest of the time. We keep trying but at this point are just resigned to the fact that she’s not a deep thinker, not an easily trainable breed, and unfortunately her first 4 years just can’t be undone. We invest most of our energy in cleaning 😅♥ 2source record 906
Yeah my girl wasn't properly potty trained so it's a constant lookout for accidents and frequent outside trips♥ 3source record 1307
Yorkies are notoriously difficult to potty train. Mine are trained to go outside or the garage. We have a doggie door that they come and go leading to the safety of the garage. There are pee pads there that they use. They mostly prefer the outside though. They use the garage for convenience and bad weather. They are reliable for the most part. The older one (1 1/2 yr ) has accidents…er “retaliation “ on occasion. I’ve been told many times that Yorkies have a tendency to regress. They say that it usually clicks by two years old. 🤞♥ 5source record 1308
My friend had an 87kg dog with a sensitive stomach. When it was solid it was a two hand job. When it was liquid though, what do you do about that?♥ 3source record 1599
Yeah, I was looking for response of someone who also had a dog with a sensitive stomach. The best case scenario is just a little bit of wet shit♥ 1source record 1600
Wipe it up with paper towels. Dump some flour or cornstarch on it to thicken it and then clean it up.♥ 1source record 1601
Our dog pisses on the floor on command out of spite. she will eat till she’s full to the point of throwing up but when you don’t give her a bite of your chicken that she’s ALLERGIC TO? pissin on the floor! she is so spiteful that she has pretty serious cancer yet continues to live forever.♥ 2source record 2066
They will eat anything even their own shit or other dogs shit.♥ 2source record 2158
Wait until they have diarrhea… that is straight out of horror movie…♥ 1source record 2545
I had adopted a beautiful hound-pitt mutt during covid, best dog ever. First night of acclimating her to the apartment, she SHAT a literal liquid river of diarrhea all over my carpet, at 3am. Then the occasional accident in her crate, and the eventual shitting on the floor when I forgot to let her out. She was the best dog, and I wish I treated her better and didn't get so mad at her. She just wanted my love and was confused when I would angry at her. It is a large responsibility people don't realize before owning a pet. I encourage those who have never owned a dog before, to really do your research.♥ 1source record 2604
As soon as my husband and I got married, literally the week of, we got a puppy. I love that dog but holy moly he is a handful. First, when he was a puppy before he was house trained, he would poop on the floor and then smear it absolutely everywhere. We would call it his “finger paintings.” Then after spending thousands to get him trained for commands and socialization, the trainer told us, “he knows all the commands, he just refuses to listen if he doesn’t see the treat first.” Awesome. He also has allergies to GRASS which costs hundreds of dollars for meds. It’s expensive to board him when we travel. We are a shoe free household and yet my floors are always dirty because the dog goes in and out all day. AND he has separation anxiety so if we leave him at home all day he is guaranteed to chew something up no matter where we put him. The best thing that happened to him is when I became a stay at home mom 😂 I love the little turd but he will be our last dog.♥ 2source record 2649
I had the easiest dog ever, smart, sturdy and gentle with kids and other dogs. Everyone loved her, neighbours cried when she passed. It was still work. I will never forget that time when I got home late from work, like 1 am late, got in bed and got woken up a couple hours in by my dog's whimpers, and I woke up to the *whole literal floor* of my room covered in watery shit. Getting up while still half asleep, cleaning everything, giving the dog a bath, comforting the dog, calling the emergency vet for guidance, trying to sleep a bit more... And then getting up for work again. That was some rough night. You also have the late night walks before bed, the vet visits, the training, and then one day they get older and sick and die, and it's the most painful thing I've ever felt. Now, I'm the kind of person cut for this, I've always had pets in my family, and I'm glad to do what needs to be done. But it is not for everyone, and not even in every life stage. It's not right for me at this moment with a 15 month old kid.♥ 1source record 2681
I have to follow my dog REALLY closely when I take her into the backyard to poop, because if I'm not quick enough she'll turn around and eat it as soon as it comes out. Then she'll go back in the house and vomit up her own poop onto the carpet. I've smelled a lot of bad things and let me tell you, that's the worst thing I've ever smelled in my entire life.♥ 1source record 2851
you mentioned the dog shit, and you mentioned eating "dodgy" stuff, but you left out the part where those two things are combined. dogs will eat literal shit when they find it. they will eat it AND roll around in it. i hope you enjoy cleaning mystery shit out of their their teeth and fur. rabbit shit, deer shit, other dogs' shit, their own shit, dirty diapers and wipes if there is a baby in the house, and by far the worst of all, CAT SHIT. and no, it has nothing to do with nutrient deficiency. our vet prescribed specific food to prevent this nasty habit, but it makes no difference. dogs' brains are literally broken and they will eat shit if they find it. the only solution is constant vigilance. you have to see the shit before they do.♥ 1source record 3042
I love my dog so much He's an idiot tho He doesn't know where to use the potty outside. In the grass. Like a normal dog. If it's wet grass? He won't go. If it's raining? Won't go. Grass needs cutting? He won't go. I have to drag his ass onto the grass regardless of what's going on out there because he just can't bring himself to do it. If left unattended, he pisses and shits right in the driveway pavement. This enrages me to no end. If it's hot out, my entire back yard smells like hot dog piss or shit. I'm so fucking over it lol he is helpless. I won't be getting pets ever again once all mine have lived their lives. I'm so sick of the bullshit haha♥ 1source record 3060
When my grandma would visit, she’d bring her dog. She was a hairy mid sized mutt of some sort. Nasty ass dog. We called her crusty lips. She would run to the neighbors yard and find its shit, roll in it, then eat it.♥ 1source record 3173
You're not wrong my wife got a deaf miniature Australian shepherd and she is a loving and loyal dog but almost impossible to train to poop outside and unable to comprehend what food is hers I love her but she's a hassle and I wouldn't be able to deal with her if she wasn't such a cute amd lovey dog♥ 1source record 3180
Sounds like our dog. She literally eats our other dogs shit and then will try to lick you in the face. We've had her diet changed and taken her to the vets to get checked out for dietary issues. Turns out some dogs are just like that. It sounds like that is just this dogs personality. Ours won't sit still when she takes a shit either, she always makes a trail (other one is very neat and only goes in one area). The other dog we have is a dream tho and is very sweet, spacially aware and considerate of other dogs and people, and will not nip you when u r giving treats. She all around a smart and gentle sweet girl. This is how I can be almost 100% dogs have a wide range of personalities and you just got one of the more lesser intelligent pups (im sure still a good girl). Our two girls are like night and day, one could (and should've probably) been a therapy dog while the other one has the intelligence of a rock.♥ 1source record 3210
I 1000000% feel this in my soul. I have, and love (very much), a big ass German shepherd. He’s a pain in the ass to take care of. Recently, I just bought a house with all hardwood floors. He screams his head off trying to walk on them. If he didn’t freak himself out, he can walk on them just fine… he whines about everything. He refuses to poop if he’s not taken on a full length walk. I love him so much… but he drives me crazy lol.♥ 1source record 3264
I love owning dogs, But having to clean up cold diarreah off the basement floor is a sensory experience I could never have prepared for.♥ 1source record 3667
My dog “creep walks” while he shits, so there’s always a trail of multiple turds that I have to catch up with… it’s ridiculous. He’s a 4 y/o black lab.♥ 1source record 3770
I don't know what my dog got into the other day but I woke up to a huge slimey wet pile of shit pooling on my wood floors and reeking up the house. Good times 🥲♥ 1source record 3778
I love my dog but he came with fleas and the flea treatment the rescue organisation used, then the type we used, didn’t work on him. Meanwhile our whole house was infested and we were going overseas so we set off a flea bomb. Absolutely ruined my health (followed the instructions carefully) for several years and cost us a fortune in healthcare, replacing carpets and furniture and belongings. Still have the dog 10 years later, have a good preventative that works for him but oh my goodness do I regret ever adopting him.♥ 1source record 4220
Yo tengo una chihuahua ya de 11 años y aveces se me orina en la cocina y la sala, si quiero irme de viaje tengo que ver con quien dejarla y hace poco tenía tos y la tuve que llevar al veterinario♥ 1source record 4740
Had a dog that shitted outside then came inside to drag its butt across the carpet. 1000x worse than cat paws on kitchen counter.♥ 3source record 5155

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Sensory overload: the licking, the drool and the noise at once28 index entriesRecords where no single thing is the problem — several commenters name a sensory or neurodivergence reason it adds up.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Sensory overload: the licking, the drool and the noise at once

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Sensory overload: the licking, the drool and the noise at once

28 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: A dog that is not doing anything wrong and is still unbearable to be in a room with

Why readers chose it: 28 records where no single item is the complaint. Commenters list the licking, the drool, the panting in the face, the nails on the floor, the barking and the fur as arriving together, and several name a reason it compounds for them specifically: sensory sensitivity, a neurodivergence diagnosis that arrived after the dog, or a household already at capacity with small children. One commenter describes it as a super-smeller problem; another counts it among the reasons they cried that day. The recurring detail is that none of them discovered it by visiting a dog — it took living with one full time.

What readers reported: Also the slobber / drooling, needing to walk them in shitty weather, the fur everywhere, the barking, can’t leave them alone in the house for long because of bathroom needs, etc. Dogs are a sensory overload for me.

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I always liked having a dog until I had children. Having a dog is like having a toddler without any of the joy of watching it learn and grow. It just stays entirely dependent on you forever. No thanks.

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This is all 100% spot on. Also, nobody can ring my doorbell or walk by my house without forcing my idiot Labrador into a nuclear barking fit. Dogs fucking suck

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Ya I agree. I’ve had a dog pretty much my entire life and never felt it was too inconvenient until now. It’s just not for me anymore. I won’t be getting another dog ever again. They are messy, smelly, loud, extremely overstimulating, and require a lot of responsibility. It’s probably because I currently have 3 kids so I have a lot of all those things already and I’ve basically reached capacity at this point. It’s a hard no from me, from now on.

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I’m unfortunately with you there. I love my dogs, but I also hate a lot of things about having dogs. I didn’t realize I was neurodivergent until some time after I got dogs, so I didn’t know just how bad my anhedonia and executive dysfunction could be on a daily basis. Or how many sensory issues I have. Or how complaints from neighbors could threaten my housing situation. And a lot of other things. I love them so much, they’re so goofy and unique. But I probably wouldn’t have more after they’re gone.

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Ya I agree. I’ve had a dog pretty much my entire life and never felt it was too inconvenient until now. It’s just not for me anymore. I won’t be getting another dog ever again. They are messy, smelly, loud, extremely overstimulating, and require a lot of responsibility. It’s probably because I currently have 3 kids so I have a lot of all those things already and I’ve basically reached capacity at this point. It’s a hard no from me, from now on.

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Jumping up, barking, whining, licking - Throw sensory sensitivity on that list, and dogs are a complete nightmare. And yes I'm made to feel bad about not wanting a dog.....

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I like dogs but, for these same reasons, I never want to own a dog again. Plus, the loud nonstop licking of the midsection. No thank you. I do like being friends with dogs though…

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I’m unfortunately with you there. I love my dogs, but I also hate a lot of things about having dogs. I didn’t realize I was neurodivergent until some time after I got dogs, so I didn’t know just how bad my anhedonia and executive dysfunction could be on a daily basis. Or how many sensory issues I have. Or how complaints from neighbors could threaten my housing situation. And a lot of other things. I love them so much, they’re so goofy and unique. But I probably wouldn’t have more after they’re gone.♥ 28source record 412
Also the slobber / drooling, needing to walk them in shitty weather, the fur everywhere, the barking, can’t leave them alone in the house for long because of bathroom needs, etc. Dogs are a sensory overload for me.♥ 25source record 434
Ya I agree. I’ve had a dog pretty much my entire life and never felt it was too inconvenient until now. It’s just not for me anymore. I won’t be getting another dog ever again. They are messy, smelly, loud, extremely overstimulating, and require a lot of responsibility. It’s probably because I currently have 3 kids so I have a lot of all those things already and I’ve basically reached capacity at this point. It’s a hard no from me, from now on.♥ 29source record 435
They still stink, beg, click around with their nails, bark, whine, shed, are needy, stare constantly (especially when you have food), are greasy, shit and piss up your yard (or someone elses, because most dog owners are dicks), lick their genitals/paws, lick you, jump, hump, etc.♥ 1source record 1627
Mine rolled around in her own shit right after she took it (she is 8 and has never done this) then whined all day. No reason. Unprovoked. She'd just stand around and whine. I love her. I also have sensory issues. This all contributed to the 1 of 5 times I cried today. She is the best dog I've ever met in my life and there is no dog like her. I don't know if I'd get another dog. I might actually be 99% cat person, even with my dog acting like a car mostly.♥ 9source record 1922
Me too. TBH the older I get the less appeal caring for an animal has, but my list of gripes for dog specifically : \- Clinginess \- Lopsided caregiving expectations in a relationship-shared animal (partners, parents, whatever) \- Diarrhea \- Expensive food and vet to try and treat wet poops \- Cutting poop out of butt fur \- Daily walks inc poop picking up or annoying dog \- Weekly and more backyard poop scoops \- Expensive pet care when out of town \- So much hair, I like to think I keep a tidy house, but dog fur in my mouth was not uncommon Pass, sorry dawg. I will however dog sit for my friends free of charge because more than half of these problems are gone.♥ 6source record 1923
Dogs are very overstimulating to me in every single way possible.♥ 3source record 1965
I actually agree! I love my friends dogs so much. I even like fostering dogs. But I do not currently desire one of my own any time soon. I just find them overstimulating personally. Yes, you can absolutely have a perfectly trained loyal dog that won’t ever jump on you, will very rarely ever bark, doesn’t constantly want attention, won’t get into everything, but you usually will just get an animal doing animal things. I’d never be mad at a dog for barking or playing or wanting affection, but I like that my cats just play with each other, cuddle with me for about 20 minutes, then fuck off and sleep.♥ 2source record 2035
Agree. This is why I’m not a dog person. All of those reasons and the fact that they lick you. So disgusting.♥ 2source record 2051
I’ve taken care of plenty of dogs, they are a sensory overload for me♥ 1source record 2197
I like petting a dog, even playing with them some. I don't like dogs slobbering on me, or jumping on me, most of them smell bad, even if they are clean. I like to go home and not have a dog around.♥ 2source record 2213
I don’t get it. Most of the negatives that come with owning a dog should be red flags not to get one. For starters, walking it and picking up its shit (multiple times a day) is pretty degrading, not to mention, disgusting. The barking. The constant need for attention. Home is never clean from hair dog odor dirt etc. The damage to personal items and the environment. The list is too long and yet there are more dogs now than ever before. Head scratcher.♥ 6source record 2264
This, plus they suck. They smell. They constantly are touching you. They are loud. Almost no one trains their dog and has no control over them and then people take them EVERYWHERE. You can never go anywhere. "Gotta get back to feed the dog/let the dog out". Gotta spend a fortune to board tgem to go on vacation. Its insane. The only people that enjoy them are people that have such insecurity and selfishness they need something that is going to love them unconditionally-no matter how they treat it and without having to put in too much effort.♥ 9source record 2295
I feel so seen reading this. Thank you. Sincerely, A life long neurodivergent cat person who decided to get a dog and is now constantly overstimulated♥ 2source record 2319
I like dogs but I'm right there with you, I don't want to own one. Picking up poop makes me gag, they smell bad, and most breeds leave hair everywhere. No thanks, I'm good with petting a dog every once in a while I don't need all that other shit. Pun intended.♥ 2source record 2377
They are so nasty . They just urinate all over the place and make loud noises and sometimes , depending on the dog , it will attack you .♥ 2source record 2384
Yeah I’m really not a fan. Stinky, slobbery, licking, farting. Nah.♥ 2source record 2466
God this is the only place I've seen an opinion like this. My mother in law passed from cancer and we agreed to take her two dogs and a cat, while we at the time had three cats. I've always been a cat person, but I loved those dogs, I loved visiting them so I'll like owning them right? No. The overstimulation, the constant watching them, our nice garden feels more like a giant litter box and you can't leave them out there because our next door neighbour has dogs and they wind each other up, they smell, they have absolutely no boundaries, they watch you eat constantly, the barking. Everytime there's a day trip cause we can't book any holidays it's the rush back to check the dogs, you need to force them out to pee, walk them in all weathers, pick up the poop. One of the dogs has separation anxiety and will follow my partner around all day, every conversation with him in the house now involves this dog. And I can't talk to anyone about it as the general consensus seems to be dogs are great and you're a sociopath for thinking they're hard work or not enjoying it. I still love them but when they pass ill never own a dog again, and there's a household max of two pets at any time!♥ 1source record 2581
I'm dog sitting for a few weeks, and the thing that gets me is the licking. The dog always wants to lick me, the dog always wants to lick the floor both the carpet and the lino. It grosses me out so much. And it's always licking up the cats plates (after they've walked away cos I feed them separately) and the plates have such a gross layer of slime (i wash them every time but its so yuck). I feel like I'm always washing dog slober up since he arrived. I have chickens, horses and cats and none of them gross me out like this.♥ 1source record 2796
I LOVE dogs. So much. I love them all. But I cannot live with them. They stress me tf out over extended periods of time.♥ 1source record 3123
I like dogs, but I find them overstimulating when I’ve pet sit. I’m much more of a cat person. I like taking dogs for walks, and then returning them to their owners when I’ve had enough.♥ 1source record 3136
We have 2 dogs and as much as I love them I struggle with how overstimulating they are. The slobber, the wet dropped everywhere, the fur everywhere, the foot prints in the kitchen, the farts, cleaning poop, constantly bathing them especially throughout the winter etc. It's like having a child on insane difficulty mode. And my husband wants more, but I am done♥ 1source record 3224
I’m gonna be honest man, rarely do I get the chance to vent about it, but imo dogs are immensely overrated. Ton of work, they stink, they’re slobbery, they’re loud as fuck, tons of them are far, far too excitable.. just overall annoying creatures. I have never understood dog worship and the way people who don’t like dogs are made out to be weirdos. I don’t have any animosity towards dogs, the vast vast majority of dogs are deserving of love and respect like any living thing, but god damn. Not my cup of tea at all. Being a residential service tech for so many years hasn’t helped my opinion at all. I’ve been bitten at 4 times and some people think it’s okay to just let their dogs jump all over you like brother. I don’t know where that thing’s mouth has been 🤮♥ 2source record 3492
Yeah all the above are why I don’t really like dogs. I get that they’re sweet natured. But they’re honestly like babies that never grow up. I also find it annoying when people bring their dogs to inappropriate places like bars and restaurants. I HATE it when people bring their dogs to my house. I’m sorry but they’re kind of grubby I don’t want them jumping on me or my stuff.♥ 1source record 3632
I like dogs but, for these same reasons, I never want to own a dog again. Plus, the loud nonstop licking of the midsection. No thank you. I do like being friends with dogs though…♥ 1source record 3723
As a cat person, I have to agree. The dog’s constant need for attention is draining. The smell of their fur unless you constantly wash them. The panting and/or drooling in your face. The loud barking over every little thing. And the dogs who lick your skin all the time. The chewing, getting into the trash and other things…The list literally is endless. Don’t get me wrong, they are cute AF. I would save a dog in less than a heartbeat if it needed help. But being a dog mom is not for me.♥ 1source record 4830
No, but you do need to get used to: A needy creature that will never have any level of independence. Smell; dog people can claim all day that their dog doesn't smell, yes it does, youre just used to it. Smells like a wet rag that's been crumpled up and forgotten about for a week or two. Am a super smeller, will smell your dog no matter what. Shit and piss. Consumption and/or rolling in said shit. Drool Licking Begging Shedding/grooming bills Barking Potential liability if dangerous EXORBITANT VET BILLS. Nail clicking. Pulling on leash. Expensive food (if you're a good owner) And the worst: other dog owners encounters. Owning a dog fucking sucks. The OP ain't wrong.♥ 1source record 5117
Jumping up, barking, whining, licking - Throw sensory sensitivity on that list, and dogs are a complete nightmare. And yes I'm made to feel bad about not wanting a dog.....♥ 0source record 5393

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The noise39 records · 2 sub-topicsThe only burden here that lands hardest on people who never chose to have a dog. 39 records.
Barking, inside your own house25 index entriesWhat the noise does to a household, and the collars, drugs and devices people tried against it.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Barking, inside your own house

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Barking, inside your own house

25 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: A dog that reacts audibly to everything that happens outside

Why readers chose it: 25 records about noise inside the owner's own home. The trigger set is consistent: the doorbell, a passer-by, a leaf, another dog outside, the owner coming through the door. The interventions named are vibration, shock and citronella collars — reported by the same commenter as having failed in sequence — and trazodone, also reported as not working. Corgis, chihuahuas, huskies, Jack Russells and labradors are named most often, and one household says the noise is close to ending a marriage. The counter-argument inside the card is that breed explains part of it and training explains the rest, which the commenter who tried four collars is not persuaded by.

What readers reported: This is all 100% spot on. Also, nobody can ring my doorbell or walk by my house without forcing my idiot Labrador into a nuclear barking fit. Dogs fucking suck

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I have a lab beagle. Loud AF. doesn't listen. Loveable. On trazadone. Doesn't work. Hyperactive. High alert all the time, no reason for it. Steals kleenex (clean and dirty) loves codding the cats.

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I have a lab beagle. Loud AF. doesn't listen. Loveable. On trazadone. Doesn't work. Hyperactive. High alert all the time, no reason for it. Steals kleenex (clean and dirty) loves codding the cats.

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No words can describe just how correct you are. I have a friend with a Corgi. I'm 💯 an animal lover (my dog sleeps in my bed) and I have never wanted to kill something as much as that fucking dog. It NEVER listens. Won't come. You have to get 3 people to corral it when it's time for her to leave. It barks at everything. You can't sweep, mop, water anything with a hose, mow the yard.... It's fucking psycho. To be honest, the dog is such a fucking shit show that I don't even think the breed is cute anymore.

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okay thank you because not to sound like a bad person (and I love my dog), cats purr have healing frequencies but I don’t think my dog consistent freaking barking does anything

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We have a Jack Russell and he's a nightmare 90% of the time. Just barks at EVERYTHING.

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No words can describe just how correct you are. I have a friend with a Corgi. I'm 💯 an animal lover (my dog sleeps in my bed) and I have never wanted to kill something as much as that fucking dog. It NEVER listens. Won't come. You have to get 3 people to corral it when it's time for her to leave. It barks at everything. You can't sweep, mop, water anything with a hose, mow the yard.... It's fucking psycho. To be honest, the dog is such a fucking shit show that I don't even think the breed is cute anymore.♥ 97source record 55
For me it is the smell and the barking. I can't stand the sound of barking. I once asked a dog person if there is a dog breed that doesn't bark at all, and there is supposed to be one but instead of barking they just say yipyipyip. Nope, nope, nope. Cats smell nice and do not bark. They also shit in a box which makes the whole thing much easier to deal with.♥ 93source record 183
I've had a good bit of dogs in my life but my last one was honestly way too energetic. At first I thought it was puppy energy but he kept it past 5 years old. He'd bark all the time as soon as you let him outside I tried everything from being gentle to vibration collars to shock collars to citronella collars. Didn't matter. He had insane energy. Couldn't just chill in your lap he wanted to lick you constantly and jump around so you couldn't let him sleep in the same room as you or else you'd 100 percent wake up to him licking inside your nose. Finally I had a kid and not only did he bark constantly to wake up the kid, but he'd knock over the kid any time the door bell rang and the kid was between him and the door. After the second time my son's head bounced off the floor from this we rehomed him. It sucked because he was a very intelligent dog but he had cocaine energy and was very stubborn.♥ 4source record 473
That was me! I fell victim to the corgi craze of the early 2010's and made them my entire personality...went to corgi dog shows just to watch them because I thought they were so cute, lol. Was about ten years before I actually met one at my friends house, and I've never liked a dog less? The bark can not be understated, sooooo ear piercing and obnoxious. They're pretty good owners but it's just the way corgis are. They aren't one of those dogs that just want to be best friends with everybody, lay around, and let you pet them like a lot of goldens are...I've never been so offended by a dog not wanting me around lol.♥ 1source record 729
2 of my friends got corgis. you are not joking about the barking. and it's a loud, cattledroving bark, and an impressively consistent cadence, and never ending. bring it anywhere and it gets going. any movement or activity? bark. bored? bark. excited? bark a little higher pitched.♥ 1source record 804
Omg no one ever warned me about the corgi scream bark. Mommy’s on a work call and I heard a leaf? BORK BORK BORK BORK. Mommy’s in the middle of cooking and she didn’t take out the shredded cheese for me and the kitten and she just turned away from me? BORK BORK AWOOOOOOOOOOO BORK.♥ 1source record 811
This. My friend has a corgi and agree with all that. When I dog sit for her i keep wipes ready to clean him up and told her i can watch him a day, but overnights hes way too noisy barking at the slightest noises.♥ 1source record 820
Omg, my best friend was coerced into getting a corgi-shiba mix and that dog is crazy cute, but also so stubborn and constantly barking. Totally opposite to his usual quiet girls. He loves her now, but it took a while. Lol! Also, yeah, she sheds like mad!♥ 1source record 833
a cat's meow is never as annoying as a shrill barking dog that won't stop imo♥ 2source record 1638
I am in Australia and 2 nights ago 4am I hear barking in my pleasant dreams and woke up to my chihuahua mix rounding up and barking at an echidna that had gotten into the yard. Very lucky to not be spiked but my goodness they really can be such a handful♥ 4source record 1680
This is all 100% spot on. Also, nobody can ring my doorbell or walk by my house without forcing my idiot Labrador into a nuclear barking fit. Dogs fucking suck♥ 9source record 1838
I had a gf that fostered the most unpleasant dog at one point. She was not cute, would bark at you LOUDLY and non-stop starting at 5 am or just before, had some cyst removed so she was shitting liquid everywhere. The dog was unpleasant also :(♥ 3source record 1967
having a dog that loudly barks at everything sucks too♥ 1source record 2542
I could never manage a dog. I stayed at a friend’s house early this week with her dogs while she wasn’t home, and every 10 minutes they would have piercing, lengthy barking fits over every single person who walked by the front of the house. I was thinking who can live like this? I find everything about them extremely overstimulating♥ 1source record 2606
I love my dog, she's the sweetest, cuddliest, most amazing girl ever. But damn can she be absolutely annoying. I walk in the house and she'll let out one, very loud, very shrill bark that wakes up everyone or startles my Uncle so badly he nearly falls out of his wheelchair. When my uncle goes outside, she's run in circles, as close as possible to his chair and yip, trying to herd him. Which makes it very hard for him to go outside out of fear of crushing her feet. She's got crap genetics (aussie stuff) making her teeth just bad. Had to get 19 of them pulled. Eventually she'll lose her eyesight, because again, Aussie genetics♥ 1source record 2790
okay thank you because not to sound like a bad person (and I love my dog), cats purr have healing frequencies but I don’t think my dog consistent freaking barking does anything♥ 2source record 2819
Yup. Dead on. Especially if you get high energy breed. They can be absolutely nuts. I personally could never take the yapping when they see literally anything♥ 1source record 2961
Don't forget the barking and howling at almost anything outside.♥ 1source record 3307
My family has 4 dogs that overwhelm each area of their lives. From the time thru get up till they go to bed. Barking, pooping, barking, puking, howling through dinner, barking the whole time you are eating, whenever someone walks by the house, cant talk without barking. They are so close to getting a divorce, yet keep taking dogs. Dogs are over rated and i will personally never have one♥ 1source record 3308
I have two chihuahuas. I love them to death and I would have 100 more. But oh my god the barking. Sometimes it drives me insane. Also my dog eats his and his brother’s shit. Not fully. He has to shred it first. Sometimes on the rug, sometimes on his pad, sometimes on the couch.♥ 1source record 3531
The barking dude.♥ 1source record 4125
We have a Jack Russell and he's a nightmare 90% of the time. Just barks at EVERYTHING.♥ 1source record 4403
They also bark, which is a turn off.♥ 1source record 4459
I have a lab beagle. Loud AF. doesn't listen. Loveable. On trazadone. Doesn't work. Hyperactive. High alert all the time, no reason for it. Steals kleenex (clean and dirty) loves codding the cats.♥ 1source record 4531
And this, plus more, is a very good reason why I'm a cat person. They're cleaner, less attention dependant (not totally avoidant), much quieter, and frankly just cuter. The noise, oh my god the noise. Ah yes let's scream our heads off for 20 minutes about a fucking leaf that twitched outside. Doorbell rang? Armageddon, ww3, literal genocide. And the slug thing, just be lucky she didn't eat her own shit.♥ 1source record 4773

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The neighbour's dog you cannot get away from14 index entriesThe one burden in this article that falls on people who never chose to have a dog.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: The neighbour's dog you cannot get away from

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The neighbour's dog you cannot get away from

14 source records

Situation: Living next to, or working beside, somebody else's dog

Why readers chose it: 14 records from people on the receiving end. The reports are specific: a dog barking at a sliding door at half past seven every morning, a dog howling all day in a flat while its owner works, a dog brought into a workshop that barks all day and steals tools while the boss finds it funny. One commenter describes building a 110-decibel ultrasonic deterrent; another reports that their own dog became reactive from listening to the neighbour's cry through the wall. This is the only burden in the article that falls entirely on people who did not choose a dog, and several of these commenters say it is exactly why they never will.

What readers reported: Sucks living near them, too. Barking is a sound specifically designed to get your full attention. It's sharp and abrupt and LOUD. And the fucking creatures that do it *never tire of it*. You need really good insulation and soundproofing in your home, or nothing between your ears, to be able to block that shit out. People get dogs without thinking, as though it's the default thing to do as soon as you've got your own place. Tick it off the list. They were helpers when we hunted or were hunted. Now half have them have been selectively bred into madness for people's aesthetic preferences, and 90% can't seem to get the idea of having less territory than "everything within eye or earshot", so BARK BARK BARK it is. Useless as alarms because they are indiscriminate. Get a couple if you live in a farm. Not if you've got a back yard you can throw a stone across. Don't get one if you're not going to give or keep it company. They are social animals, leaving them on their own is very unkind and selfish.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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My neighbohour have a dog that does not stop barking. I am building a 110db ultrassonico dog deterrent on the range of 20khz to 30khz. It will calm it.

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Living in an apt.complex where there are so many small dogs that aggressively-YAP sucks.

posted about 7 days after the source
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Yes I love dogs but would never own one! The dogs in my street bark at the slightest noise, one woman has two and the howl all day long, it’s so annoying and must be for the people living with a dog then there’s the responsibility of training them so you can go out without them biting or jumping up to people. These days most dog owners don’t care and take their dog absolutely everywhere and expect everyone to be ok with that. Not all just some and gives dog owners a bad name

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Browse the original comments14 preserved records · 14 of 14 source records accounted for
Doesn't even need to be that. Our old attached neighbours had a dog they never walked or trained, poor thing was just home alone all day every day. Our dog became reactive due to being forced to listen to theirs cry all day. We have moved now and it's so much better. Unless people are 100% committed to actually putting in the effort and adapting their own lifestyle, they should not have a dog.♥ 4source record 154
My neighbohour have a dog that does not stop barking. I am building a 110db ultrassonico dog deterrent on the range of 20khz to 30khz. It will calm it.♥ 8source record 932
Yep you are right. Dogs can be expensive to take care of. Honestly it should be illegal to own a dog if you live in a apartment. Luckily for me i live in a house but every second house owns a dog which is annoying af. They bark all the time and yes i know they are friendly but keep the fucking mut close to you. If they are not trained they will eat random shit and get sick. Your place and clothes will be full of hair and even if you wash your dog they have a certain smell. I like dog but i would never own one and i think there should be a law where you have to ask you neighbors if its okay to get a dog. If most of the votes is no then you legally can't♥ 3source record 1963
having a neighbor with a dog is even worse.♥ 2source record 2125
Sucks living near them, too. Barking is a sound specifically designed to get your full attention. It's sharp and abrupt and LOUD. And the fucking creatures that do it *never tire of it*. You need really good insulation and soundproofing in your home, or nothing between your ears, to be able to block that shit out. People get dogs without thinking, as though it's the default thing to do as soon as you've got your own place. Tick it off the list. They were helpers when we hunted or were hunted. Now half have them have been selectively bred into madness for people's aesthetic preferences, and 90% can't seem to get the idea of having less territory than "everything within eye or earshot", so BARK BARK BARK it is. Useless as alarms because they are indiscriminate. Get a couple if you live in a farm. Not if you've got a back yard you can throw a stone across. Don't get one if you're not going to give or keep it company. They are social animals, leaving them on their own is very unkind and selfish.♥ 1source record 2437
These reasons and many others are why I am against dog ownership. Not to mention—dog owners are a nuisance to all of us who choose to be pet free. I get woken up almost daily by dogs barking. It’s unacceptable. Humans have bred them to be like this, to be basically imprisoned, and it’s messed up.♥ 1source record 3007
And if you're too lazy to train your dog not to bark, prepare for your neighbours to hate you.♥ 1source record 3252
i dont own one for many reasons, most of which is the barking drives me nuts. luckily my neighbor has one that never stops barking directly into my sliding door. pretty sweet. he loves to come outside at about 7:30 am and bark directly at my door which is usually open.♥ 1source record 3331
Yes I love dogs but would never own one! The dogs in my street bark at the slightest noise, one woman has two and the howl all day long, it’s so annoying and must be for the people living with a dog then there’s the responsibility of training them so you can go out without them biting or jumping up to people. These days most dog owners don’t care and take their dog absolutely everywhere and expect everyone to be ok with that. Not all just some and gives dog owners a bad name♥ 1source record 3476
My boss bring his dog to the workshop and it's a nightmare. Bark all day, zero education, eat/steal my tools, and my boss laugh at this whole situation. No idea what to do, I consider buying one of those ultrasound whistle maybe it will shut up that annoying dog♥ 1source record 3519
My boss brings his two dogs to work every day and the amount of neediness they express is insane. I love animals, but the whining when he leaves them in the office or when he goes outside the shop is extremely annoying.♥ 1source record 4687
Fuck owning a Husky lol, I remember my Neighbour in university in my apartment building had one and she was rarely home during the day and the little fucker would just howl all day long which was incredibly annoying.♥ 1source record 5031
People need to let go of this idea that they need a dog. For women it's misplaced desire for children. For men it's social conditioning from media and their family and peers. Dog owners don't care how their animals effect anyone else. You want to sleep past 6am? Too bad. Their dog is out barking. And it'll keep barking all day long. Then you'll get to smell their crap in the summer since the owners won't pick it up. Their entire yard is covered in it.♥ 1source record 5334
Living in an apt.complex where there are so many small dogs that aggressively-YAP sucks.♥ 0source record 5438

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When the dog becomes unmanageable225 records · 6 sub-topicsWhere the thread stops being about inconvenience: the incident that changes a dog, and everything that gets harder afterwards. 225 records.
One attack, and a reactive dog for the rest of its life79 index entriesThe most-upvoted comment in the corpus, and dozens of replies that answer it with the same story.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: One attack, and a reactive dog for the rest of its life

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One attack, and a reactive dog for the rest of its life

79 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: A well-socialised dog is attacked once and is never the same afterwards

Why readers chose it: 79 records, built on the most-upvoted comment in the corpus, and the striking thing is how uniform they are. The pattern repeats almost word for word: a well-socialised dog, months of deliberate work and in several cases thousands of dollars of it, one incident with an off-leash dog, and a permanent change. Several point out the dog does not have to be injured — a puppy frightened by a larger one, a dog trampled at a dog park, a dog chased by a loose one. Two describe dogs killed outright. A minority report the same outcome from causes nobody could have prevented: a car exhaust, a lightning strike, a house fire, a toddler who hit the dog while nobody was watching. The limit the card keeps naming is that the owner's own effort did not protect them from it.

What readers reported: The hardest part of dog ownership is that even if you do everything right, some other jerk can let their aggressive dog attack your leashed dog and now you have a reactive dog that can barely be in public and will never trust another dog again.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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My dog got in some scuffles, as a puppy, and was brutally attacked by the neighbors shitty dog, which started our nightmare. I mean I love our dog, but we can't have people over. He doesn't accept new people in the house. Any time we want to have work done on the house, we have to board him. i shell out 200+ bucks a month for doggy daycare because he's effectively unwalkable. A 90 lb mountain of a black lab that is all muscle. My wife can't take him anywhere ever. I'm a 200lb man and he will pull so hard that he's difficult for me to control. He'll pull so hard he chokes himself out. I spent weeks trying to get him used to one of those no pull harnesses that slips over his snout. Weeks of zero progress. It makes no difference. I've dumped tons of time and money into training him. He's just not trainable for things he's reactive towards. He can sit, lay down, stay, shake, run to his crate, all kinds of stuff. That's not a problem. The problem is that if he hears a noise or sees movement he goes fucking bananas and it all goes out the window. My inlaws have a beautiful rustic cabin where any normal dog could go off leash and have a blast, instead we have to board him before we go. He's not dangerous as far as I can tell, (and the vet agrees). He's never mouthed or bitten or acted aggressive. You can rummage around in his food bowl and he won't growl. In fact he's never growled at anyone, or displayed what are considered dangerous or aggressive behaviors. It's just wildly reactive and unhinged behavior. We have him medicated, but any higher of a dosage just zonks him to the point that he isn't really living, and the dosage he's on is like wearing rain boots before getting sprayed by a firehose. I'm not going to put him down for being inconvenient, but he's like 8 now and I feel guilty that I'm kind of looking forward to not having him anymore. I'll be crushed, but I'd love to have a buddy over now and then. My kid is 5 and wants to have friends over, and it just isn't possible. If you visit for hours a day for a week straight he'll accept you (slightly faster for women), but that's it. I cannot express how much stress this dog brings into my life.

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I had a American Rottweiler like that. Garunteed to lose its shit if and when he saw another dog. I started calling him "on site", bc he'd try to maul any dig within eye sight. One time h literary jumped out of the back of my 90' ford bronco WITH THE TOP OFF, to chase a dog that was being walked. We were driving 35MPH!! He broke the chain that harnessed him to the fold up rear seat mount.... Some dogs just dgaf, but that was in the 90's and we never heard of prozac, let a lone drugs for dogs .....

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Same here. My dog also was horribly wounded. I eventually had to euthanize her as she eventually would go after people. Damn Pitt ruined her life.

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This is what happened to one of our dogs. He was attacked multiple times as a puppy, so now he has full on trauma responses around black dogs and boy dogs. No one is allowed to bring their dog to our house for events unless it’s a pre approved girl dog we know will get along. He’s 9, so this has been the reality of his whole life. It sucks. He’s such a good boy that got ruined by other dogs.

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I fucking hate my dog now that I’ve had a baby. Her fur, saliva, her stink! I hate it all. I don’t allow her near the baby because of it. Also she got attacked by an unleashed pitbull and her back was destroyed so she had the nastiest looking scars on her back that we can’t clean until they fall off. No more pets in this house.

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this happened to me, multiple times cause i had a st bernard. so the other owners thought cause he was bigger, it was fine. id yell at them and tell em ima let him attack their dog to see if its as funny. unfortunately this happened like 3 or 4 times, he became reactive towards other dogs. still took him out for walks, just had to adjust. but to make him happy, i dealt with it.

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The hardest part of dog ownership is that even if you do everything right, some other jerk can let their aggressive dog attack your leashed dog and now you have a reactive dog that can barely be in public and will never trust another dog again.

source record 98♥ 6,120
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This happened with one of my dogs. He wasn’t even walkable after. He would freak out any time he saw another dog. It was so sad.

posted about 6 days after the source♥ 2
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Same thing happened with my pup and life has been so much harder ever since. I’m so sorry for any dog and owner(s) who’ve had to endure this because the anxiety on every single outing is so real. Iykyk. 😭😢

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Attach it to an existing routine 5Use movement as the switch 3Turn it into a game 2

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Browse the original comments79 preserved records · 79 of 79 source records accounted for
The hardest part of dog ownership is that even if you do everything right, some other jerk can let their aggressive dog attack your leashed dog and now you have a reactive dog that can barely be in public and will never trust another dog again.♥ 6,120source record 98
Hey my dog was attacked by an off leash pittbull a few years ago. He's still sweet but terrified of other dogs now and whimpers and cries when they approach. I am able to board him where I live, I just pay slightly more for more walks and no group play. This may be an option at your vet if they board.♥ 40source record 112
Can confirm, my dog hates almost all dogs. The exceptions are small dogs that look very similar to him usually. Any large dogs, especially doodles, he loses his shit. One or two bad experiences is all it takes.♥ 102source record 119
This happened to my poor dog as a puppy after I spent thousands of dollars socializing and properly training him. The owner of the attacking dog thought it was funny♥ 143source record 124
I experienced the same. I adopted a fearful under socialized dog, Mayze. Worked diligently trying to socialize her and put her through training to build her confidence. We were attacked by a huge off leash pit bull. Luckily I was the only one injured as I hit the pavement hard when it ran through me trying l to get to my dogs. The owner got him in time right before he grabbed my smaller one. She yelped so I think she felt it. Mayze was freaked out so bad. Poor thing went back and forth between me and our other dog most of the evening. She has no interest in other dogs now. Trying to get her to go for a walk is tough. That lady told me her do was just trying to play. Wtf♥ 69source record 125
My dog got attacked at the beach and was never the same. Rip Kirby. love you buddy♥ 51source record 139
This happened to my late Pomeranian. He was attacked by a pitbull and ever since that day he was mean to every dog he saw. I felt really bad for him.♥ 11source record 145
Bonus points for now owing a reactive dog who attacks people now. I haven't held my dog in 9 years. I am barely able to pet him. All because some velvet hippo fucker didn't want to leash his dog.♥ 23source record 148
I adore my dog but one time I was walking him on the sidewalk and someone started their car in their driveway when he was right behind it and now he is terrified of tail pipes and tries to bark at and bite them any time he sees one. I can’t just walk him in the neighborhood anymore and have to drive him to the park so he doesn’t freak out at every car that is street parked and it’s such a pain. He has zero issues with cars before that. He is also afraid of storms because lightning struck a tree in our backyard about six months after we got him. Didn’t care before that but now even the slightest rumble of thunder in the distance gets him sprinting for the basement.♥ 4source record 153
Mine as well! He was the friendliest boy until we moved and our apartment neighbor had two very aggressive dogs that would literally break through our screened window to attack and bark at our boy for two years of terror. He never recovered and although never bit any dogs, would loose his mind barking any time he saw another dog.♥ 1source record 1001
Happened to my aunts dog a few months ago, he is now instead of a food hungry and annoying beagle, also aggressive around spaces hes in. I've lived with dogs my whole childhood, and only really enjoyed the times we played. As an adult, and seeing other people with wonderful, happy, obedient dogs, I realized that our were just not properly cared for. My parent's dog passed away a few months ago and they just got a rescue puppy who has hopped from home to home for months now. I said my piece. Dogs should never fall under other people's responsibility unless you're being paid. You choose to bring a dog on vacation, that dog is your responsibility, period. Sure you can ask a favor once in a while, but maaaan. Its like a person with a baby who just wants a break sometimes. Which is understandable. But I shouldn't have to guard my plate or be worried about food being snatched from my hand because you love your little guy too much to put them away for 30 minutes. Its like having a mute, drunk uncle constantly roaming around seeing what shit he can fuck up.♥ 3source record 1016
Presumably what happened to my adopted dog. She was a rescue, on the streets long enough to have her ribs showing and be pretty dirty even after a hosing, they had literally just captured her the morning I went to visit the shelter. She was super playful and sweet with me, but when I took her home she did a complete 180 on my other dog. I assume she was attacked by other dogs when a baby stray (I got her at \~3 months old), and she’s just never been able to get over it. The shelter had the dogs in separate kennels, so I guess they didn’t notice it, but she becomes a completely different dog when she sees another dog. We’ve gotten better with it, but man are you right in that we can barely take her out in public and she’s only learned to play with one dog after 6 years (the one we already had).♥ 3source record 1017
Happened to our dog. He's incredibly sweet, loving, smart, and sensitive. But now he's reactive himself (incredibly vocal) when seeing other dogs. We run away from other dogs, our neighborhood must think we're crazy people. So our little guy is both reactive and has separation anxiety. It sucks. I love him dearly and despite those challenges I love him for who he is.♥ 3source record 1019
My pup wasnt even attacked, just a much larger slightly older puppy tried to play with her when she was still very little and got scarred by the experience. They got along fine later in life but she was never a fan of other dogs after that.♥ 3source record 1020
this happened to me, multiple times cause i had a st bernard. so the other owners thought cause he was bigger, it was fine. id yell at them and tell em ima let him attack their dog to see if its as funny. unfortunately this happened like 3 or 4 times, he became reactive towards other dogs. still took him out for walks, just had to adjust. but to make him happy, i dealt with it.♥ 3source record 1022
This is the worst part. My dog was fine until a bad incident in the park a few years ago. We're just now in a place where she gets whiny and anxious when other dogs are near but won't immediately jump into defense mode. Dunno if I'll ever be able trust her around a new dog ever again. I agree with OP, but if you enjoy the benefit of a dog-human companionship it's all worth it. The truly WORST part of owning a dog is never knowing how responsible other dog owners are going to be.♥ 2source record 1036
Happened to mine at a dog park. He got jumped by a German shepherd (he’s a basset mix) he was maybe a year old and has never liked any dog bigger than he is since♥ 2source record 1037
It messed with my dog at my old apartment. He used to be so good about going out when he needed to go do his business outside, but you're supposed to leave your dogs on leash and I had more than a few neighbors that would let their dogs out for a long time so they could play fight outside. Eventually their dogs started running up on my dog at least once a day and my dog has really bad anxiety. After a while he would absolutely refuse to go out unless I carried him and didn't let other dogs near him. To this day he is hesitant to go out and do his business unless I'm right there with him. Luckily we now live on some land so he doesn't have to worry about getting run up on by random dogs.♥ 2source record 1038
My dog was chased by another dog, but it wasn't 100% the owners fault. Their dog literally jumped out of their moving car. I was getting the mail and had my arms full with packages. I have a corgi and he was one years old at the time. The leash was ripped out of my hand and I had throw my packages to the ground to chase after them. He's been scared of other animals ever since. When I take him on walks, no matter the size of dog, he'll refuse to keep going and just stay still. I'll have to move to the side to let the owner and their dog pass before he'll continue.♥ 2source record 1042
Not just dogs. We live very central where there are many unhoused mentally ill people, we were chased and antagonized a couple times and my dog’s threshold for stress like that has significantly lowered. He’ll aggro bark at a homeless man pushing a shopping cart. To his credit, that *is an odd sight*. But it raises my stress levels too and it really sucks. At least I feel safe walking with him by my side.♥ 2source record 1043
i had a pit who was so sweet and never showed aggression until he was stolen out of our patio. we suspect he was put into dog fighting because after we found him, he would attack small dogs.♥ 2source record 1045
Literally, one of my biggest dog fears is having some other person’s dog attack, my dog. Or also spending countless man hours and hundreds of dollars on training to have to leave my dog with somebody if I was going on a vacation that they couldn’t come with me on and something happening there that ruins the training that we’ve done or affects my dogs, mental well-being.♥ 2source record 1050
I think I have a similar problem. It didn’t just start with the dog attack. I came home one day and the house was on fire and it was bad. I went in and got the animals out. We were all relatively OK. I have no idea how long they were trapped in there while it was going on. Me going in and breaking down the door, increased oxygen and caused a back draft and explosion, and I lost my hair. They had severe smoke inhalation. We all had severe PTSD. A few months down the line while we still didn’t have a permanent place to live, I was finally doing a little better and then the very first time we went outside (for a walk) since the fire, and then we were attacked by a dog. So I have existing PTSD while I’m trying to manage her PTSD and sometimes she does really well but then for no apparent reason she’ll have days where she’s just doing horrible and that’s how I can tell that I’m doing horrible on the inside because it’s triggering her. I am faithfully doing the training, but I think I’m the problem because of my PTSD. Or at least not helping the problem. I need someone else to do the training for me but board and trains are thousands of dollars and I am disabled on Social Security so things have just been really hard. I wanted to sue the guy for costs because she is my service dog, but I don’t have the mental fortitude to handle all those processes because of the PTsd. Just… arggggg, ya know? Although I’m glad I made this OG comment because the sub comments have made me feel a lot less alone.♥ 1source record 1052
this is my dog. We used to take him to the dog park for an hour *literally* every day - there was one close to our house that was large and generally pretty empty, especially at the times we took him. After doing this for over a year, some old woman decided to bring her dog *and* a neighbor's dog that she was watching. Turns out, she knew nothing about the neighbor's dog, including that he had a history of being aggressive towards other dogs. He went after my fluffy boy *six times* while this old woman did essentially nothing to get the dog she brought under control. My wife didn't want to make a scene (i wasn't there) so kept separating them - but the other dog wouldn't stop going after him. Eventually my wife was able to get our dog out of the park and away from the other dog. He hasn't been comfortable with other dogs since, and if any get too close to them he'll go after them out of nowhere. For a couple years he really wasn't able to get out and run like he needed to. Fortunately, we learned about SniffSpot and also moved to a place with a dramatically larger backyard. Between the two, he's able to get enough exercise now. But I will never not be pissed off at that old woman who brought a dog she didn't know to a dog park and then had ZERO control over it.♥ 2source record 1058
Seriously. My leashed terrier was attacked by an off leash big dog, and it took months of work to get him to be able to walk past dogs again without wailing. He still whimpers a bit, but is much better after having a trainer work with him, but it was a long road for us. But I still get looks and comments because I'm a small dog owner who must not train their dog.♥ 2source record 1059
This happened with one of my dogs. He wasn’t even walkable after. He would freak out any time he saw another dog. It was so sad.♥ 2source record 1060
My guy can't go to dog parks for this reason♥ 2source record 1066
My dog hates kids bc the first few years of his life we lived next to a litter of children who used to tease him through the window. Don’t know why he’s so reactive otherwise. Won’t even let a vet touch him. Nothing is wrong with this dog. We’ve had him for 12 years nearly, since he was 6 weeks old. Tried to socialize him as a puppy. Didn’t work. He hates other dogs, my neighbors, the aforementioned vets (even the sweet ladies that come to my house for home visits…he won’t let them come near him…always needs a muzzle)♥ 3source record 1077
My dog has been bitten three separate times. Once by an off-leash dog outside of my own house, once by a dog that was being watched by a relative, and once by a family member’s corgi. The corgi was the worse of it, it was a straight-up attack, and it set our training back by about a year. Family member thought I was overreacting and didn’t see the big deal. Our dog was already struggling with reactivity, and it got exponentially worse after that. It makes me so sad, because she’s trying *so* hard and I can see how badly she wants to be “good” but she’s just terrified.♥ 1source record 1079
That’s how my guy is too, he’s a chihuahua mix and tolerates other small dogs, usually other chihuahua mixes. Everyone else he growls at if they get too close to him. Unfortunately we don’t know why he’s like this because he’s an elderly rescue, he was living with two larger dogs in his old life and I think it’s possible he was bullied by them. It can be frustrating explaining to other dog owners that he doesn’t want to say hi and that it’s not because I’m a bad dog owner, or because your dog is poorly behaved, he’s just traumatized.♥ 1source record 1092
Happened with mine. Still love him all the same.♥ 1source record 1109
Happened to mine sweet boy. Got attacked by a husky when he was younger and now loses his mind when he sees another dog. Used to be able to take him everywhere. Still the sweetest boy to all humans, but he hates dogs now.♥ 1source record 1110
Or the complete opposite side of the spectrum. You get a young dog that wasn’t properly socialized as puppy and now has no idea how to interact with dogs or humans.♥ 1source record 1111
This is what happened to my fiancés whippet after he was attacked by a pitbull. He was sweet as pie and good with any and all other dogs...until the attack and resulting lacerations/sutures. After that, he growled at any other unfamiliar dog that came remotely near him...even puppies. He was only ok with his whippet sister that he grew up with.♥ 1source record 1112
Or someone could end up in your backyard and your guard dog does his job and now he thinks everyone is a threat♥ 1source record 1113
this happened with my husky, but he ended up going the complete different direction and hes just scared of most dogs that are his size :(♥ 1source record 1117
This literally happened to me with my dog. He was the happiest most excited dog and now when we go for walks he's looking over his shoulder and barks at any dog or person across the street and he's very uncomfortable when new people come over to the house. This happened 6 years ago and he's gotten better but he's still anxious.♥ 1source record 1119
Orrrr like with my dog a neighbor snuck up behind her at night wearing dark clothing and a hat because they wanted to meet her and just approached from a weird angle. (My dog was 1 at the time and before then loved meeting strangers) Since then she cowers behind me for anyone she doesn't know or barks at them when my wife is walking her.♥ 1source record 1122
Have two idiot dachshunds. They were absolutely fine and getting along with other dogs. Then one bigger dog went for them both during puppy training. That was the end of it. Now they only get along with dogs who they bonded with before that moment, and other dogs are evil. It makes everything so much harder, all because a puppy course trainer said "let the puppies socialize". Yeah. Thanks. That was four years ago.♥ 1source record 1127
Hey this is me! My sweet mastiff got attacked on a walk during the pandemic. She's been reactive with dogs her size ever since.♥ 1source record 1128
This is what happened to my poor baby. I still love him to bits though!♥ 1source record 1131
My Cocker Spaniel was a wonderful, loving, outgoing dog. At about 1 year old she got trampled by a poodle and from that point on hated leaving the house or interacting with other dogs at all.♥ 1source record 1140
This is what happened to one of our dogs. He was attacked multiple times as a puppy, so now he has full on trauma responses around black dogs and boy dogs. No one is allowed to bring their dog to our house for events unless it’s a pre approved girl dog we know will get along. He’s 9, so this has been the reality of his whole life. It sucks. He’s such a good boy that got ruined by other dogs.♥ 1source record 1141
This is exactly what happened to my dog. She was super sweet until she was attacked at Pecto daycare. Pro tip: don't take your dog to petco's daycare.♥ 1source record 1142
We just brought home a rescue that got dumped and are having to work with him to gently expose him to EVERYTHING. He's terrified of car rides because him and his siblings were likely taken in a car, dumped, and that's how he associates cars. I also say we but mean me, it's been three weeks and he still only likes me. Shits HARD. Not giving up though♥ 1source record 1148
My best friend’s rot got attacked in his own backyard through the fence! He previously had anxiety with other dogs that she dealt with and now it’s back. It’s so sad. He’s the sweetest guy. His own nose can’t fit through the fence so they know it was the other dog reaching through.♥ 1source record 1152
Yea, thats why I am very careful around other dogs, I pick her right away whenever others are close by even with their owners. I just cant take a risk of having her getting bit.♥ 1source record 1153
Yep, my dog has been attacked by off leash dogs TWICE since last year just walking around my neighborhood. And now he goes absolutely ballistic at anything walking by. It sucks♥ 1source record 1154
Or a very big lady staring down your nervous puppy when you FINALLY got her to be more comfortable around people. Yep, she never recovered from that.♥ 1source record 1157
Mine was very sociable and playful when I first rescued him but was attacked a couple of times and now he snaps in about 20% of any of his dog interactions. I still make sure he gets some socialization now and then, but I can tell he has been affected by the lack of it. As time has passed, he has become less and less interested in interacting with dogs when he does get the chance. Now he pretty much just wants to do a quick sniff with the dog and seems to want to be left alone after. It is exhausting to compensate for the play/exercise. If I’m not actively engaging with him, he won’t play or do anything. I am able to walk him off leash and let him run free at certain places, but I worry he has missed out on a lot of joy in life.♥ 1source record 1160
Yuuuup exactly my case. My dog was an absolute joy until one day this big bully came out of nowhere and basically attacked my dog. He didn't even know how to react and in the moment I was so surprised. After this unfortunate event, everything changed. He will never approach another big dog. Smaller ones are ok. But if the dog is big it's aggressive time right off the bat.♥ 1source record 1163
Thats what happened to mine…♥ 1source record 1165
A few years ago I lived in a place w a doggy door and gated yard, so my dog could go in and out as she pleased while I was at work. Unfortunately while nobody was home, these little kids in the neighborhood would open our gate and let the dogs out and proceed to throw rocks at them, hit them etc. my dog is still incredibly sweet and gentle, however when a child comes near her she reacts with fear. These kids were from Hispanic household and she is now fearful of anyone who smells like them :/♥ 1source record 1169
Ours got T-boned at the dog park, then had to go through 8 months of surgery and recovery with double ACL surgery. He doesn't care for playing with other dogs at the dog park since that.♥ 1source record 1175
Same thing happened with my pup and life has been so much harder ever since. I’m so sorry for any dog and owner(s) who’ve had to endure this because the anxiety on every single outing is so real. Iykyk. 😭😢♥ 1source record 1177
Happened to me, dog walks have never been the same since :(♥ 1source record 1178
Yup, happened to my dog and it’s never been the same. Now we have to avoid dogs wherever we go and we live in a dog heavy area. My dog gets so excited to see other dogs, she cries. But come within distance of one and it’s anyone’s guess on how she’s going to react.♥ 1source record 1179
This one. I had a lovely Yorkie. Well adjusted, kind, open brave... Name it. Something happened me and my husband missed and now we have two reactive dogs. Taking them anywhere is such a pain.♥ 1source record 1181
For real. My senior beagle was attacked by a Rottweiler when she was five. It was a horrible situation because it wasn't the other dog owner's fault either, since that dog slipped out of its harness. Shit just happens sometimes that no one can control. My beagle was never the same after and was nervous and distrusting of all big dogs after that. I loved her dearly, but I'll probably never own another dog and will just stick with cats tbh.♥ 1source record 1182
This happened to my dog when she was still young. It sucks.♥ 1source record 1236
My dog got attacked by a cat as a puppy and never trusted another cat again. 60 lb and scared to death of every cat he ever saw.♥ 1source record 1239
This is what happened to me! Our dog used to be good with other dogs until my wife was walking him and one of our neighbors opened his door to go to his car and his dog ran between his legs and attacked our dog. Now our dog is reactive and aggressive toward other dogs. I really miss when we could take him places.♥ 1source record 1240
Our sweet dog has been attacked SIX times in our neighborhood while walking her.♥ 1source record 1241
Exactly. When our dog was young she was attacked and bitten on walks three separate times (one was the same dog twice!). After that she became leash reactive and didn't trust other dogs for the rest of her life. We had to be the dog owner who would cross the street when other dogs came along and warn them she'll bark. Thankfully she was a little thing and we could easily keep her in control.♥ 1source record 1242
This just happened to a friend. Her sweet puppy is reactive to everything after a giant dog attacked her on a walk. Now she’s fearful/reactive of everything.♥ 1source record 1243
My sister and her dog (leashed walk) both got attacked TWICE by other dogs. Insane! He’s a beagle, literally loves everyone and everything.♥ 1source record 1244
This is exactly what happened to my dog :( I did so much specialization with her, taking her everywhere with me and meeting other dogs at puppy classes and she loved other dogs then! One weekend we went camping with a group and two of the other families had dogs that were aggressive towards her. One just growled when she would come around, but the other would lunge and bark at her at very random moments. Sometimes she could go near it and other times if she came within 5ft of it, it would lunge with no warning. Now she is so reactive around other dogs :(♥ 1source record 1245
Yep. I rescued a youngn like this and now 4 years later she still has insane PTSD♥ 1source record 1246
bro if this aint the truth. i got my dog when he was less a year old and he was reactive, barked at people, dogs, anything that moved. i thought to myself "why is he so young and so crazy". Found out later that my partners brother (who gave us my dog from a litter of his puppies) didn't bother socializing him and that's why he is reactive. he's now 8 years old and still reactive. i've tried everything under the sun to get him to be less reactive when i take him out for walks but nothing works. fyi - he's a chihuahua♥ 1source record 1247
rescued a greyhound 3 months ago. 14kg. With severe malnutrition. He's now 32kg. He is still scared of the world, but a few weeks ago some unleashed dog attacked him (gladly no issues or big bites) and now my dog is literally on panic when he sees another dog. If he sees a dog 1 block away, he already wants to turn around, even if its the friendliest dog on the planet. It fucking sucks.♥ 1source record 1249
My parents dog was so good when she was younger, and then my family brought over my two year old cousin. When they weren't looking, my cousin would hit the dog. I ran over and told him we don't hit animals, we are gentle and kind to animals and tried to explain that she could bite (even though she wouldn't). We didn't know it at the time, but my baby cousin interacting with our dog changed her personality for the rest of her life. Shes super skiddish and anxious, reactive, sometimes agressive and loud. She also has some other problems unrelated to that like begging issues. Its really sad cause we had no idea for a while what caused it, but my parents are trying to help her now that they know what it could've been.♥ 1source record 1250
Happen to my little one when she was a puppy. We took her to a dog park when she was only 10 months old, in the small dog section. Some asshole decided their young German Shephard was well behaved enough to be in the small dog section. The dog chased ours and she freaked out and start yelping like crazy and it just escalated. I had to run and snatch up our dog and this German Shephard nearly knocked me over trying to get to her when I was carrying her. Of course the owner was nowhere to be found or just didn't give a shit. She has been traumatized ever since and is afraid of the majority of dogs bigger than her.♥ 1source record 1251
Unfortunately this happened to one of my dogs. He was already a quite anxious but we were working hard with him (previous owner poorly socialized him and we believe may have been abusive.) my neighbors suddenly decide to get a big husky mix that they let run loose, it comes out of no where one day and attacks my dog. Huge vet bill and totally undoes the training that we worked so hard for with my dog. The worst part is that the neighbor dog has attacked other dogs and people in the neighborhood, and has almost killed a couple smaller dogs. Police and animal control have been called multiple times and nothing has been done, it's a whole thing in the neighborhood and everyone has to drive to a different area to walk the dogs now because of my neighbors refusal to contain their dogs properly.♥ 1source record 1253
I have a dog that doesn't like walks because of this exact reason.♥ 1source record 1254
My dog almost got killed by an aggressive pitbull about 8 years ago, luckily he fully recovered and doesn't seem to have any long lasting psychological issues after the attack. He just couldn't be alone for a couple months or he'd whimper so I'd have to sit with him constantly♥ 1source record 1256
My neighbor got a pitbull from Philly and was walking him for the first time, the fucking thing chewed through its leash and attacked my dog. Now my dog is horrified of other dogs.♥ 1source record 1262
I fucking hate my dog now that I’ve had a baby. Her fur, saliva, her stink! I hate it all. I don’t allow her near the baby because of it. Also she got attacked by an unleashed pitbull and her back was destroyed so she had the nastiest looking scars on her back that we can’t clean until they fall off. No more pets in this house.♥ 3source record 1353
Yeah, this happened to my dog. I took her to the dog park every day when she was a puppy, for like 2 years. Never had an aggressive bone in her body. "Yay! I'm socializing my dog!". Then a few little yappy dogs attacked her on walks a few times and all of a sudden she was dog aggressive.♥ 1source record 5015
THIS. I paid good money to train my dog perfectly because he is a Maremma Sheepdog mix, so given his size I knew I had to be very careful. For years I have struggled with his reactivity due to SEVERAL attacks from unleashed dogs. Those dogs never attacked other dogs beforehand, so that's why I always say "Your dog may be friendly and good all the time... For now. But they're still animals and they can snap out of the blue". Anyways, he has significantly improved in these last 2 months thanks to fluoxetine prescribed by our vet. We can now walk like we used to, take him to the restaurant with us or to trips with us. 7 years of missed adventures together because of some pricks who couldn't bother to keep their dogs on the leash. I f**king despise them.♥ 1source record 5021

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What living with a reactive dog costs afterwards27 index entriesThe part the attack stories only gesture at: 4am walks, boarding refusals, muzzles, trainer bills and no visitors.
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Situation: Running a normal life around a dog that cannot be near other dogs

Why readers chose it: 27 records about the years after the incident, which is where the cost actually lands. Commenters describe boarding refusals and the premium for solo care — one quotes $45 a day rising to $75–$120 — walks moved to 11pm, 3:30am or 4am, a muzzle and a double leash, a vest labelling the dog as dog-aggressive, and $200 a month of daycare for a dog that cannot be walked at all. Two report the dog was a working service animal that can no longer work. The social cost recurs as often as the money: no visitors, no dog parks, dating complicated, and strangers assuming the owner simply failed to train it.

What readers reported: My sweet 3 year old dog, was attacked by an unleashed Rottweiler. He has never been the same dog. He’s reactive and I can’t find people who can watch him. A house with no dog that like watching your dog — are like a unicorn and charge a bomb. Paying $45/day to boarding, I am looking at $75-120/day. It’s annoying. Even after we have worked with trainer for 14 weeks, he’s less reactive on leash. But he said never leave him with another dog. He has a fight or flight response!

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My dog got in some scuffles, as a puppy, and was brutally attacked by the neighbors shitty dog, which started our nightmare. I mean I love our dog, but we can't have people over. He doesn't accept new people in the house. Any time we want to have work done on the house, we have to board him. i shell out 200+ bucks a month for doggy daycare because he's effectively unwalkable. A 90 lb mountain of a black lab that is all muscle. My wife can't take him anywhere ever. I'm a 200lb man and he will pull so hard that he's difficult for me to control. He'll pull so hard he chokes himself out. I spent weeks trying to get him used to one of those no pull harnesses that slips over his snout. Weeks of zero progress. It makes no difference. I've dumped tons of time and money into training him. He's just not trainable for things he's reactive towards. He can sit, lay down, stay, shake, run to his crate, all kinds of stuff. That's not a problem. The problem is that if he hears a noise or sees movement he goes fucking bananas and it all goes out the window. My inlaws have a beautiful rustic cabin where any normal dog could go off leash and have a blast, instead we have to board him before we go. He's not dangerous as far as I can tell, (and the vet agrees). He's never mouthed or bitten or acted aggressive. You can rummage around in his food bowl and he won't growl. In fact he's never growled at anyone, or displayed what are considered dangerous or aggressive behaviors. It's just wildly reactive and unhinged behavior. We have him medicated, but any higher of a dosage just zonks him to the point that he isn't really living, and the dosage he's on is like wearing rain boots before getting sprayed by a firehose. I'm not going to put him down for being inconvenient, but he's like 8 now and I feel guilty that I'm kind of looking forward to not having him anymore. I'll be crushed, but I'd love to have a buddy over now and then. My kid is 5 and wants to have friends over, and it just isn't possible. If you visit for hours a day for a week straight he'll accept you (slightly faster for women), but that's it. I cannot express how much stress this dog brings into my life.

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My last rescue was attacked by a dog before we got him. Sweet as pie and then just would see red when another dog approached. Broke my heart. We had a vest that said “dog-aggressive” because people would not take his body language for what it was. Our current girl is skittish around people and we always have to manage the pets because she is so soft/people want to touch her hair (both are/were afghans)

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This is what happened with my dog and it has made life so hard for me and my poor pup. She still gets along with my other dog, but if we’re outside and she sees a strange dog, her instinct is now to take out her anxiety on my other dog. Also traveling is a logistical nightmare. I can’t board them because she’s a reactive dog, and to get a dog sitter it has to be one I trust to handle her behaviors but also someone I trust to stay in my house.

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This… currently have my first dog, got attacked two years ago, never the same again. 4am long walks just to get a relaxing walk. Always fearing what’s behind the next corner. People yelling awful things at you. Every. single day.

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Yes. I inherited my mother's beloved pooch when she died very suddenly. Cost an absolute fortune to fly transatlantic. It's hard. He can't be left with anyone as he hates people due to anxiety. He must walk hours and hours a day, regardless of rain or heat. No one can walk him but me as he has a bite history and I can't trust anyone else. Everything gives him anxiety from the slightest weather changes to a shadow. He's 13 and is fit and well and will live to 20 just to spite me. 😂 He is loved and adored and has the best life he can with his mental health issues. I will never own another dog. Even babies aren't this difficult.

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This is what happened with my dog and it has made life so hard for me and my poor pup. She still gets along with my other dog, but if we’re outside and she sees a strange dog, her instinct is now to take out her anxiety on my other dog. Also traveling is a logistical nightmare. I can’t board them because she’s a reactive dog, and to get a dog sitter it has to be one I trust to handle her behaviors but also someone I trust to stay in my house.♥ 972source record 99
Oh it gets even better for me than that. She is my SERVICE DOG. Or maybe “was” is a better descriptor. She can’t focus on me outside of the house now. And ofc people look at her behavior and think I’m lying about her being a service animal. Meanwhile I maxed out my credit cards on veterinary behavioralist trainers trying to fix the issue but I think I’m the problem cause I have ptsd now as well so how can she calm when I can’t calm. I think training has to happen without me doing it. I’ve been meaning to find out if there’s dog training influencers that would help me in exchange for my really sad and potentially view creating story but I haven’t had the wherewithal to work on that yet, if there even is anyone.♥ 5source record 128
I feel your pain! We had a very reactive dog that we could only board at the vet. It made my anxiety pretty rough with dog walking and socializing.♥ 1source record 997
Yikes, that’s rough. I guess small favors that it’s mostly just a dog problem for me. People are fairly safe from her. Although after the incident, her dog aggression started to then move on to people aggression. That’s when I engaged a trainer because absolutely freaking not.♥ 1source record 1044
Exactly this… and all of that makes it really difficult to enjoy the parts of dog ownership that everyone else gets to enjoy. Can’t take him to a dog park for social time, it’s really difficult to have people over to the house, dating is a whole issue, he has to be crated when I’m not here because I’m worried about Maintenance people coming in…. And even muzzled and Prozac’d up, walks are a constant source of anxiety. You can love them so much and still regret making such a huge commitment.♥ 2source record 1053
yep we can’t do dog parks or barely even walks with one of my dogs who got attacked as a puppy. luckily my husband works overnights so can take her on a 11pm walk and again at 3:30am on his break when there’s no other dogs out at that time lol. otherwise i have no idea how we would exercise her since she’s fucking huge and needs a ton of exercise a day. i’ve thought about doing treadmill training but who knows if she’d even take to that.♥ 2source record 1054
I had this happen to me in NYC once, to the tune of thousands of dollars of vet bills. I had a witness, I lived near the asshole owner of the dog that attacked mine, and I had a video of him right after the attack, walking away as I called the police. My dog had several large lacerations, puncture wounds, etc. Long story short, nothing happened. So I took matters into my own hands. I did not give that man a moment of peace any time I saw him out. I carried my vet bill around with me to wave at him when I saw him. I confronted him dozens of times on the street about making things right, hell even just an apology. He’d tell me to F off, give me fake names, etc. One day I noticed he’d get chinese food at the spot beneath my apartment… Until I started waiting for him to leave with his bag of food, get halfway down the block and I’d hop on my bike, race to catch up with him, come up behind him and kick that big bag of food all over the fucking road. I did this about 5 times before he found a different spot. So yeah. Thousands of dollars, weeks of my life, and dozens of unnecessary conversations, confrontations and bullshit all because one asshole couldn’t just be a responsible dog owner. I’m not proud of it, but people that don’t abide by the rules of society shouldn’t really get any peace. That dude was like 30 years older than me and couldn’t just sack up and be a man about it.♥ 1source record 1080
My brother traumatized my dog and now we can't have people over and we have to distract him with treats or walk a different route when other dogs come our way. He went from being a sweet and submissive boy to an overreactive nightmare but I still love him and will keep him until the day he passes.♥ 1source record 1086
This!!!! Now when other people are walking their dogs and I have to cross the street while my dog is angrily pulling towards the other dog, they’re thinking “jeez what a mean dog!” And I just wanna be like “it’s not her fault, she was attacked as a puppy!!” It’s a cycle, but if some people dont put in the work to keep their dog away after having an experience like mine, then it continues. Now there are so many places I can’t bring her, and every walk is constant surveillance. All because people couldn’t keep their dogs on leash. It sucks.♥ 1source record 1130
Me too! It’s just so stressful though. And isolating. For both of us. I wish I could just take her out like she was a regular happy dog again.♥ 2source record 1132
My dog got in some scuffles, as a puppy, and was brutally attacked by the neighbors shitty dog, which started our nightmare. I mean I love our dog, but we can't have people over. He doesn't accept new people in the house. Any time we want to have work done on the house, we have to board him. i shell out 200+ bucks a month for doggy daycare because he's effectively unwalkable. A 90 lb mountain of a black lab that is all muscle. My wife can't take him anywhere ever. I'm a 200lb man and he will pull so hard that he's difficult for me to control. He'll pull so hard he chokes himself out. I spent weeks trying to get him used to one of those no pull harnesses that slips over his snout. Weeks of zero progress. It makes no difference. I've dumped tons of time and money into training him. He's just not trainable for things he's reactive towards. He can sit, lay down, stay, shake, run to his crate, all kinds of stuff. That's not a problem. The problem is that if he hears a noise or sees movement he goes fucking bananas and it all goes out the window. My inlaws have a beautiful rustic cabin where any normal dog could go off leash and have a blast, instead we have to board him before we go. He's not dangerous as far as I can tell, (and the vet agrees). He's never mouthed or bitten or acted aggressive. You can rummage around in his food bowl and he won't growl. In fact he's never growled at anyone, or displayed what are considered dangerous or aggressive behaviors. It's just wildly reactive and unhinged behavior. We have him medicated, but any higher of a dosage just zonks him to the point that he isn't really living, and the dosage he's on is like wearing rain boots before getting sprayed by a firehose. I'm not going to put him down for being inconvenient, but he's like 8 now and I feel guilty that I'm kind of looking forward to not having him anymore. I'll be crushed, but I'd love to have a buddy over now and then. My kid is 5 and wants to have friends over, and it just isn't possible. If you visit for hours a day for a week straight he'll accept you (slightly faster for women), but that's it. I cannot express how much stress this dog brings into my life.♥ 1source record 1139
This happened to my friends dog and it costs them thousands to get him training so they could have people -over to their own home- again.♥ 1source record 1145
Upvote upvote upvote. This happened to my dog too. Can't take him to the groomer, have to call the vet when we arrive to get him in a room, can't get another dog, have to cross the street or turn around every time we see a big dog. I love him so much and hate that he is traumatized by other dogs now. It is so frustrating♥ 1source record 1147
My last rescue was attacked by a dog before we got him. Sweet as pie and then just would see red when another dog approached. Broke my heart. We had a vest that said “dog-aggressive” because people would not take his body language for what it was. Our current girl is skittish around people and we always have to manage the pets because she is so soft/people want to touch her hair (both are/were afghans)♥ 1source record 1150
My sweet 3 year old dog, was attacked by an unleashed Rottweiler. He has never been the same dog. He’s reactive and I can’t find people who can watch him. A house with no dog that like watching your dog — are like a unicorn and charge a bomb. Paying $45/day to boarding, I am looking at $75-120/day. It’s annoying. Even after we have worked with trainer for 14 weeks, he’s less reactive on leash. But he said never leave him with another dog. He has a fight or flight response!♥ 1source record 1158
Lol exactly, my girl got attacked as a 4m old puppy by bully of some irresponsible biatch. Now I have a 30kg hunting dog that flips the fuck from seeing any dog in 100m radius. Doset matter i spent so much time and thousands of euros on behavioral trainers. Sometimes you can do your best, but things happen.♥ 1source record 1164
This… currently have my first dog, got attacked two years ago, never the same again. 4am long walks just to get a relaxing walk. Always fearing what’s behind the next corner. People yelling awful things at you. Every. single day.♥ 1source record 1260
When my stepfather croaked, he didn’t leave anything except probate headaches, debts, and two reactive psychotic dogs he neglected for years. Holy shit, the dogs didn’t fit the stereotypical “good boy” and “good girl” dogs. They were HIGHLY reactive to other dogs and people. They couldn’t even SEE another dog or person on the other side of the street without going ballistic. I ended up getting my arm twisted and knocked on my ass because it was like trying to wrangle a bucking bronco. I hate dogs. These psychotic dogs completely changed my perspective. There’s a reason why I never chose to have pets and try to take on that responsibility. ☠️💀🙈💦♥ 2source record 2162
I am the biggest animal person on the planet and I have to say I agree. After dealing with years of an absolute nightmare of a reactive dog, after our current dog passes I will never have another one. It is too easy for a situation to occur that makes them reactive and, after my experience with our dog as well as working in Animal Rescue circles, I will never trust a dog with a child and we have a baby. Dogs and children do not mix and I will die on that hill.♥ 2source record 2306
Count your blessings. Some of us have all these problems plus a dog with trauma and anxiety.♥ 1source record 3037
Yes. I inherited my mother's beloved pooch when she died very suddenly. Cost an absolute fortune to fly transatlantic. It's hard. He can't be left with anyone as he hates people due to anxiety. He must walk hours and hours a day, regardless of rain or heat. No one can walk him but me as he has a bite history and I can't trust anyone else. Everything gives him anxiety from the slightest weather changes to a shadow. He's 13 and is fit and well and will live to 20 just to spite me. 😂 He is loved and adored and has the best life he can with his mental health issues. I will never own another dog. Even babies aren't this difficult.♥ 1source record 3480
Had a dog. Loved the dog, loved the experience, would NOT get another. I’m very extroverted and when my dog became reactive I felt very isolated, I couldn’t walk the trails with him and chat with other owners or meet up with other people with dogs. Having him made me appreciate winter, the outdoors, and stop and slow down to see the beauty in nature. We have 3 kids and I don’t want to be picking up dog poop every time they want to play outside. Plus with pick ups and drop offs for school and a lot of kids parks don’t allow dogs it’s just not worth the added time/ expenses/ etc. It was lovely, it’s in my past now. I was in a different stage of life when I had a dog.♥ 1source record 3840
I got a dog 10 years ago, and learned I am not a dog person. I am lucky bc I coparent my dog with an old coworker, so he moves between our houses every 3 weeks. But yeah, I love my dog so much and I do everything in my power to ensure he is cared for, but I struggle with him...he's reactive due to many horrible interactions, he needs very specific introductions with new people, he's attached to my feet at all times or he's crying to be near me, he will eat the weirdest shit just for funsies.♥ 1source record 4017
She sounds super unproblematic tbh, all things considered. You got lucky. My dog is reactive as hell - barks and lunges at every single dog. Every walk is literal hell because of his giant size. My joints/nerves are probably permanently damaged at this point because of the leash. On top of that, my 2 neighbors have 2 reactive dogs and leave them in the yard 24/7 - constant fights over the fence. My dog also has some form of ibs - and a crazy sensitive stomach, so like gets the runs at least twice a month. So yeah, your dog sounds like a dream tbh.♥ 1source record 4035
I feel seen. I have a 12 year old reactive dog (it’s just her personality that emerged around 2 years old, nothing happened to her to make her reactive) and I wouldn’t wish a reactive dog on anyone. She’s pretty easy in every other way (not destructive, chills most of the time, doesn’t potty inside, etc), and my wife adores her, but I resent her. My dogs growing up were never violent or anything, they were great, so she just bums me out.♥ 1source record 4266
Literally what happened to my dog. Fucking sucks. But early morning walks is his favorite now (lesser chaotic environment) and I will make damn sure he still has a peaceful life and enjoy his walks! 🤍♥ 1source record 5017
We do midnight walks now. The extra terrible part was she was my service dog. I guess she still is, but what use is it when she can no longer focus on me in public. I’ve tried halfheartedly to look into rehoming her, but even though she’s a detriment to me now I just can’t let her go. Plus, regardless of how well trained a dog is no one wants a reactive dog.♥ 2source record 5018

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Off-leash dogs, and the owners who will not recall them45 index entriesThe other half of the reactive-dog problem, and the deterrents people started carrying because of it.
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Off-leash dogs, and the owners who will not recall them

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Situation: Walking a leashed dog past somebody else's loose one

Why readers chose it: 45 records, and this is the corpus's clearest case of one owner's choice becoming another owner's permanent problem. The reported phrase is always the same — that the loose dog is friendly — answered here by owners whose dogs are not. Several describe reporting incidents to police or animal control and being told nothing could be done, including one who was advised simply not to walk the dog. What follows is escalation: a collapsible baton, pepper gel, bear spray, a can of compressed air, kicking. A minority argue that small-dog owners who scoop their dog up are part of the problem, and are answered in the same card that they do it because their dog keeps being attacked.

What readers reported: As a dog owner the thing that makes me irate is the amount of people that think letting their dog off leash in public is okay. I had to just leave a park cause a guy let his dog off leash and it just ran off into the trail portion of the park and he had to chase it down over 400 yards.

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I hate it so much. My husband and I carry pepper gel in the bag we take to walk the dog. I would do anything to prevent my dog from getting attacked. We have a baby now and we either all take a walk or only the dog goes. I don’t think I could keep everyone safe if I had both out on my own. My dog is also extremely leash reactive, but it’s barrier frustration. He just wants to greet the other dog. We’ve worked on it a lot with a behaviorist, but people don’t realize how dangerous it is to let their dog off leash. My dog will sometimes redirect his frustration back at the person holding his leash if he can’t get to the other dog and they get too close. He’s never broken skin, but he’s bitten me and my husband in these situations. He’s a good dog and we do our best to give him space. We walk him in open areas, we avoid crowds, we walk at off times, we have strategies. I have yelled at people to leash their dog all over (trails, parks, in the neighborhood). I know I sound annoying, but I’m just trying to protect my dog. Gonna suck if their dog gets sprayed for coming at us.

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It’s so common where I live. I hate it.

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Those stupid extendable leashes or long leashes drive me nuts. They are good training tools in the right hands. Unfortunately most people don't bother learning how to use them properly and the dog ends up being as bad as an off leash dog. There was an incident down at my local park where someone's on a long leash dog got into a water way and attacked a mother duck. The council couldn't do anything because technically the owner had their stupid mutt on leash.

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As a dog owner the thing that makes me irate is the amount of people that think letting their dog off leash in public is okay. I had to just leave a park cause a guy let his dog off leash and it just ran off into the trail portion of the park and he had to chase it down over 400 yards.

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Which is why i cant walk my dog in my neighborhood. They never heard of a thing called a LEASH. Fortunately i have large fenced in yard for running. I have to go to a large arboretum to walk. There are some ah dog owners out there. I live in a very nice neighborhood too.

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people live different places. is it legal to have your dog off leash in public spaces? if so have atter' i guess, but even the trails and fields near me if its not private, the law applies. last time we got run up on it was on a trail by a stream my dog was fuddling around in.

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I just witnessed this yesterday! My dogs were going crazy barking through my garden window, I look out to see a huge very pretty dog, I go out to get him out of my garden, and he almost comes at me. I get back in my porch, look over and see a guy walking his medium size dog on a leash, the loose dog sees the dog and I yell “there is a loose dog” he grumbles back “okay” seemed annoyed with me. Then the loose dog went after him, it was awful to watch the guy run and try to get away♥ 32source record 127
As a dog owner the thing that makes me irate is the amount of people that think letting their dog off leash in public is okay. I had to just leave a park cause a guy let his dog off leash and it just ran off into the trail portion of the park and he had to chase it down over 400 yards.♥ 75source record 130
I've started just yelling and shaming the owners. Doesn't change anything but it makes me feel better. And I swear my dog finds it entertaining♥ 46source record 131
> I've started just yelling and shaming the owners. my lovely neighbour mentioned in polite conversation the other day that she's been 'dropping the leash' for a minute or two every night as they go through the public park backing everyone's house in the neighbourhood. i started politely shaming her right there for it and trying to explain. hate me for it. idgaf anymore, its illegal where we live(and most places) for a reason. -for instance i have a VERY people confident and friendly/outgoing intact male husky. but to get those sort of super friendly pet huskies, they need to breed from a natural 'boss dog' husky because they're the most confident/less skittish around humans and therefore their litter is less skittish and more friendly. this also means that he also keeps some boss dog personality quirks and doesn't take 'ish from 'rude' dogs in w/e their doggy language is. polite, socialized dogs are usually fine and he's pretty great with 'the regulars' at the dog park. But its a horrifying crapshoot watching an unleashed, poorly socialized dog sprint at us. it's happened a few times and i never know if its gonna be chill or he's gonna turn into cujo cause the dog ran up with too much 'tude.♥ 24source record 132
My favorite was a lady at the park asking me why I'm "hiding" in my car with my dog while her dog ran laps around my car and tried jumping into my window♥ 28source record 133
It’s so common where I live. I hate it.♥ 12source record 134
Amen. I don’t care how well someone thinks their dog is trained leash laws exist for a reason. It’s pure entitlement and really rude behavior to take a dog off leash in public areas not designated for off leash dogs.♥ 4source record 135
“Don’t worry, she’s friendly!” “Mine’s not! Mine is not friendly, recall your dog! We are on a leashed trail for a reason!” It’s hilarious in a really infuriating way when they process what I’m saying and start scrambling to recall their untrained dog who won’t listen.♥ 4source record 136
Yeah… being forced to interact with other people and their dogs when you go out with your dog totally killed it for me. Loved my dog dearly, but he hated off leash dogs coming up to him (despite lots of proper socialization and training), and it happened everywhere we went no matter how remote we went. It was just too stressful. I’d only ever consider a dog again if I had a farm/large plot of land.♥ 21source record 137
Oh hey this happened to me! I spent a huge amount of time socializing my Kangal to not be reactive of other dogs. It worked great. Right up until someone moved into the neighborhood with a super aggressive Great Pyrenees that they absolutely refused to keep in his yard. The only suggestion I got from the cops was, "Don't walk your dog." Great. Thanks guys.♥ 20source record 138
No shit. I was walking my dog the other day and some dude's fucking mutt attacked my dog for no reason. Dude's lucky it ended quick and no harm done or both the dog and the owner would've gotten a beatdown. Control your animals you fuckers or suffer the consequences.♥ 41source record 140
Reminds me of the time I was walking my great grandma's miniature schnauzer. Walking her drown the street when a REALLY big dog that was not Leash or behind a fence approached us with his head down. I was terrified told it to stop multiple times while I was walking backwards, my dog wanted to run away.♥ 16source record 144
I got chased down by one while on a run once. Dipshit owner was working in the garage with the door open and the dog was just loose. He was like, "Don't worry, he's friendly!" While I was basically up a tree having a panic attack. To which I replied, "AND HOW THE %?#! AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT?"♥ 3source record 934
I bike my husky who has a PHENOMENAL temperament. Girlfriend is basically bomb proof. You will never see me lose my shit faster on someone than if they don't have control of their dog on a walk or if their dog is off leash and comes at us. Idgaf. I just put down my reactive hot mess of a dog a month ago, I cannot have another one because someone else is irresponsible♥ 3source record 935
I know that feeling, I really can’t bike with a dog because I’m on a motorbike(loud and exhaust fumes, faster than dog), you know I don’t get it, people always say their dog dont bite, I want to say “bullshit, with those teeth he looks like to chew the dick off a elephant” in a drill Sargent voice no less. I used to walk my moms mean ass German shepherd (he really is mean as fuck, bit my brother in law), I go out of my way to avoid people while walking him, and idiots will let their annoying little golden retriever off leash, I immediately left the park cause I knew sergius would tear it to pieces. Dog owners are the worst♥ 3source record 936
Ah… first time dog owners. The same types of people likely to “accidentally” let their doodle out the door without a leash. But he’s so “friendly”! He wouldn’t hurt a fly! Except he decides to take a chunk of skin out of my dog. First time dog owners are likely to fuck up a lot of shit.♥ 17source record 941
I’m fine, I got away from it, a kick deterred it, I got pepper spray, and I’ve souped up my engine and gearing so it’s easier to get away♥ 2source record 971
It's not the dogs but the owners. Every interaction I've had with an off-leash doodle attacking me or my pup has ended with smug victim blaming, gaslighting (oh, they're never like this!), and just zero responsibility. I hate generalizations but doodle owners seem like a pretty homogeneous group of solipsistic yuppies whose untrained off-leash pets can do no wrong in their eyes.♥ 2source record 976
Exactly. I didn’t even realize I had been injured until I got closer to my house. I was in panic mode getting home. My knee, elbow, shoulder, and hand were busted up. My shoulder still hurts when I move it in a certain way. That was in February when it happened. My husband was livid. He called the police but nothing really came of it since there was no evidence of a bite. She got a citation for off leashed dog. I feel like the animal control officer kind of sided with her about it just wanting to play.♥ 2source record 1027
I had this idiot at a fenced in playground FOR KIDS ask me if it was ok to take their large dog off the leash. I was watching my younger relatives and my kid. I said no way. And we’re leaving in 5 mins.♥ 4source record 1030
Holy shit I was at a dog pop up market and the person putting it on had her dog who " hates other dogs" (her own words) off leash and it attacked my dog. We tried to let her self report and she told them my dog also attacked hers which is a lie. Our dog is fine and like totally unaffected at this point but Bethany carpenter can get fucked.♥ 2source record 1041
There was recently a local FB post where someone was begging people to stop letting their dogs off leash, because she and her dog had been rushed, multiple times. Simple, logical, sensible, understandable request. What followed was the absolute OUTRAGE of dog owners who felt it was their right for their absolutely flawlessly trained dog, who never did a single thing wrong in its entire life, to be off leash...♥ 2source record 1067
Happened to me once, I tried to separate them but at one point I had two options left: strangle my beloved son of a bitch, I hate him right now cause he woke me up with unnecessary barking, or stomp the other dogs ass and kick it into his fuxking face. You should have seen the confused look in his eyes that a human attacks him. I don’t give a fuck, attack my family deal with the consequences. I‘m the „pack leader“ safety is my job and not my dogs. My dog still trusts other dogs cause he knows I will hell let loose if someone tries to hurt him. He exactly knows who’s in charge of safety and it’s not him. If you want your dog to trust other dogs again make sure he knows that YOU will protect him no matter what, it’s your responsibility to make sure „the pack“ is safe not his. A lot of problems come from this and that’s why pit bulls seem to be more aggressive. They’re not, they just don’t know which role to fulfill and think they need to protect you. A dog needs to know which role it has to fulfill and if they’re confused about it they can become dangerous.♥ 4source record 1070
Omgosh! This! I recently lost my dog. Whole other story. So sad. Loved him so much. Anyway. He was a rescue and taught him how to walk on a leash. People at the park I walk where you are supposed to have your dog leashed at all times thought they were above the law and one ran up to mine. Mine wasn't big but he was muscular and does not like random dogs. Nothing horrible happened but I see this all the time. Didn't walk in my neighborhood because dog owners walking w/o leash's. Everybody says he's ok. Well mines not!!!! Drove me crazy!!!! I'll not get another dog. I loved mine too much and it's so stressful trying to navigating this now. I had to go at all off times.♥ 1source record 1081
This happened to me TWICE with two separate dogs. Lost a friendship with my next door neighbour because of it.♥ 1source record 1082
Those stupid extendable leashes or long leashes drive me nuts. They are good training tools in the right hands. Unfortunately most people don't bother learning how to use them properly and the dog ends up being as bad as an off leash dog. There was an incident down at my local park where someone's on a long leash dog got into a water way and attacked a mother duck. The council couldn't do anything because technically the owner had their stupid mutt on leash.♥ 1source record 1098
Which is why i cant walk my dog in my neighborhood. They never heard of a thing called a LEASH. Fortunately i have large fenced in yard for running. I have to go to a large arboretum to walk. There are some ah dog owners out there. I live in a very nice neighborhood too.♥ 1source record 1099
Look up if that's even legal in your area. My friend works for a nearby city and off-leash dogs are illegal, like you can get fined for it. I hate to say get the cops involved bc acab, but it could really save someone down the line♥ 1source record 1104
Yeah, my dog and I were attacked by 3 off leash dogs at a park a couple years ago. Ironically, right before they attacked, the owners yelled "don't worry, they're friendly!" Now I can't take my dog to any public places because if she sees another dog within 100 ft she loses her mind.♥ 1source record 1105
if any dog comes near my dog unleashed, that dog is getting kicked - your dog is relying on you to protect them, you have to show up when it matters - the law is generally on your side against unleashed dogs no matter the circumstance♥ 1source record 1115
That’s all well and good, but you have to have the reaction time and the wherewithal to make that happen. I didn’t even know we were getting attacked by a dog until it was on top of us.♥ 3source record 1116
One time a dog tried attacking my leashed dog so I kicked in the head until it ran away. Who tf lets their dog get mauled♥ 1source record 1134
That, and all those people who get dogs and their default reaction when another dog approaches theirs is to pick them up, so they deduce "ah, I can always bark aggressively and be a jerk to other dogs because my owner will just pick me up and Bob's your uncle". Fuck you and your 980 g Chihuahua, socialise the dog or put him down for his sake and then for your sake, he's not a fucking cat.♥ 1source record 1166
We’re picking the small dogs up for exactly the reason mentioned. They are too often attacked. It has nothing to do with socialization it’s about not wanting strange dogs near your vulnerable dog.♥ 1source record 1167
This happened to me on day 2 with my new 6 month old puppy. The owner screamed at me and blamed me as he frantically tried to catch his dog that wouldn’t listen. So of course made it all that much more scary (I’m a woman and he was a large man). My dog is 6 years old now. We walk a lot still and he’s still terrified of unleashed dogs.♥ 1source record 1168
Ive hit multiple dogs on my bike because of people who walk their dog without a lease♥ 1source record 1238
This!!! The number of people that act like leashing is a suggestion pisses me off. Our neighbor's dogs attacked our dogs in our front yard bc they wouldn't take them on a danged leash! Nobody should have to worry to go out in their own YARD and worry if the neighborhood dogs will attack their babies♥ 1source record 1252
THANK YOU! The worst thing I found as a dog owner trying to do things right is dealing with the other dog owners who think their unleashed dog is fine to be out walking and approaching other dogs bc “he’s friendly!”. Or other dog owners out and about who are offended that you/your child don’t want to pet their dog. Sir, your dog weighs 80 lbs and my child weighs 40 lbs, she’s gonna be wary of it and it’s not a reflection on you or your dog 🙄♥ 1source record 2532
Me too. It’s sad but I usually cross the street even passing a leashed dog. The in your face entitlement of the ‘I can control my dog off leash’ people is horrible.♥ 1source record 4984
I very rarely have my border collie on a lead, he doesn't give a shit about other people or dogs hes laser focused on fetch, he has excellent recall. I now realise people dont know this and see a very big border collie sprinting at mach 3. Ive had a couple of people complain but I dont care when we are in public I have him on the lead if we see another dog but on the park or the fields the boy is free.♥ 1source record 4995
people live different places. is it legal to have your dog off leash in public spaces? if so have atter' i guess, but even the trails and fields near me if its not private, the law applies. last time we got run up on it was on a trail by a stream my dog was fuddling around in.♥ 1source record 4996
Uk im not too sure, many dogs off leads around me I recall seeing signs in places but I dont think its law♥ 2source record 4997
ahh fair. as i look it up england has no leash law. 'but you must keep your dog under close control at all times, and specific rules apply depending on where you are' sounding british a f haha. if i knew what to expect and could make my choice from there i'm fine with it. i think part of my rage is believing you live in a high trust society where others are also following the rules.. and then having a strange dog run up on you and your dog, owner nowhere in sight because they're a hundred metres back on the trail (because they couldn't smell us like the dog could).♥ 1source record 4998
Im ashamed to say my dog did this. He didn't attack, but he chased a small dog and scared it. He was just playing, but hes a massive dog. So from then on he had to be on the lead at all tomes when dogs were around. We live at the beach, it was a nightmare.♥ 1source record 5020
Right? There’s a lady in our neighborhood with a golden doodle and that dog hates everything! Cars, trucks, pedestrians, and definitely my two oversized hounds. We keep our distance, obviously, but the dog still goes ballistic 🥺♥ 1source record 5024

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Separation anxiety, and the dog that cannot be left24 index entriesDogs that hurt themselves or the house when alone, and what that does to their owner's working day.
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Separation anxiety, and the dog that cannot be left

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Situation: A dog that hurts itself or the house the moment it is alone

Why readers chose it: 24 records about a dog that cannot be left. The damage is specific: three metal kennels eaten through, a dog that cut itself and tore out a tooth escaping a crate, a dog that impaled its own thigh breaking out, parts of a house destroyed. Several commenters date the problem to the pandemic and to working from home, and one names a different mechanism — a relative's own storm panic transferring to the dog. The interventions named are daily anxiety medication and a stronger crate, one of which cost $1,500. The correction the card supplies twice, unprompted, is that getting a second dog does not fix it.

What readers reported: 10,000,000,000% agree. My first dog was genuinely the best dog on the planet, granted I was young and my parents did most of the work. 2nd dog had some quirks but still pretty great, and we got him when I was a teen so I knew a little better. 3rd dog, MY DOG, owned by my wife and I? Domestic terrorist. She has eaten through THREE METAL KENNELS in attempts to find us when we leave for work, she runs every time she moves, never walks or moves calmly. I cannot for the life of me get her to behave consistently in any sense of the word. One day she’ll seem receptive to commands and routine, and then the next day she tries to pull some new age psych 101 shit with me like she watched some tiktok on how to trick your human into doing what you want. It’s baffling.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I had the best dog and the worst dog at the same time. My retired racing greyhound was the goodest girl. Like most grays, she slept a lot. She was quiet, well behaved, enjoyed affection but wasn't clingy. The pitty mix was super sweet but you could not leave him alone for a minute. His separation anxiety was so bad he nearly killed himself busting out of a crate. Leaving him wth the grey helped, but more often than not we would come home to a destroyed house. This dog literally ruined dogs for me. A good dog is great, but a bad dog is just devastating. I don't even want to take the risk anymore.

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I have an Australian shepherd I got when I got out of the military I love him but I’ll never buy a dog again. I’ve been a dog person my whole life, but he has extreme anxiety can’t be left home alone without destroying something, I tried to kennel train him but obviously failed now when we tried to kennel him he broke out and impaled his inner thigh and snapped a tooth. I live in Florida it storms everyday he acts like it’s Vietnam. He squirms is the tightest spots to seek shelter breaking everything in his path. For some reason he’s been jumping on the kitchen counters to hide under the cabinets? I don’t even understand that but he knocked everything off the shelf broke what ever fell. We can never go on vacation because he can’t be boarded. We have to pay friends to SLEEP at our house. He has seizures about once or twice a month even though he’s medicated. He follows me everywhere I can’t get a damn break always tripping over him because he’s in my legs. He whines and cries all the time I think it’s just how he talks but holy crap is it annoying I love the little guy but I will never buy another dog in my life. He also cannot stand my 5yr old daughter won’t even look at her most of the time. She’s getting older and playing a lot more with him, but if she doesn’t have a tennis ball he has no care in the world for her probably because I got him when I was single and he feels replaced. He’s super friendly he’d never hurt anyone but he’s a screamer and a jumper. He doesn’t bark he just screams although he wil bark on command

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I too have always had cats, and never intended or planned to be a dog owner....then my Gram passed, and her 7 year old (5lb) long haired chihuahua was already kinda attached to me since he would stay with me when she was in and out of the hospital. So naturally I took him in. Well. I have never experienced such anxiety in my life. First, my bigger cat attacked him one day resulting in ER Vet (I am still traumatized, I had his blood all over me) but he is a-ok now, except I am not. And then kind of soon after, an off leash dog attacked and killed a chihuahua in my town (he posted on reddit and was completely shattered by losing his buddy and witnessing it!) So when I take him out to go to the bathroom, I am looking in EVERY direction ALL the time to make sure there are no dogs around, and if one is coming, I pick him up and run inside. I HATE IT because I would love to take him on long walks. My partner takes him on walks- I take him out to do his business and then when my anxiety takes over, we head in. It's a lot.

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Whatever you do. DONT GET A SECOND ONE TO KEEP YHE FIRST COMPANY!!!!!

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Dogs can be incredibly neurotic and it’s gotten worse since Covid. You used to be a wolf and now you’re shivering because you saw a leaf blow in the wind come ON!

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We have a Bernedoodle who is half Bernese and half poodle and we really got the best of both worlds lol he’s almost 2 years old now He doesn’t have separation anxiety so much as FOMO. He’s happy with other people or dogs but gets super anxious/bored when left home alone. He used to follow us EVERYWHERE around the house but now it’s more if he thinks he’s going for a walk/getting a treat or if he’s bored. We live in an apartment so walks mean potty breaks too. He’s cuddly for sure to an extent and only for so long. If he really wants to sleep or whatever, then he goes and lays by himself somewhere spread eagle on his back lol but hes still very affectionate and loves scratches. He’s chilled out a lot as he’s gotten older too, and does climb onto our bed in the mornings now to sleep next to us. He’s the goofiest, best boy and we love him so much

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For real. Last year between emergency surgery, cancer treatment and euthanasia insolent 10k on one of my dogs (9) in 2 months. Then my other dog developed severe separation anxiety and absolutely destroyed parts of my house. Now he's on daily anxiety meds and whenever I'm gone he stays in an Impact crate that cost me 1500 because he cut himself up and tore a tooth out ripping his way out of a normal kennel. I have absolutely loved dog ownership, but once my current dog is gone I dont plan on having any dogs for a long time. Its a lot. What I've come to realize, its expensive and a big responsibility to be a good dog owner that cares. Quality food, quality time, vet visits. Making it work when its hard. It's not for everyone. You gotta take the good with the bad, and in the end you're going to inevitably suffer severe heartbreak. Doing it purely for the love of the game.♥ 2source record 586
We have a Bernedoodle who is half Bernese and half poodle and we really got the best of both worlds lol he’s almost 2 years old now He doesn’t have separation anxiety so much as FOMO. He’s happy with other people or dogs but gets super anxious/bored when left home alone. He used to follow us EVERYWHERE around the house but now it’s more if he thinks he’s going for a walk/getting a treat or if he’s bored. We live in an apartment so walks mean potty breaks too. He’s cuddly for sure to an extent and only for so long. If he really wants to sleep or whatever, then he goes and lays by himself somewhere spread eagle on his back lol but hes still very affectionate and loves scratches. He’s chilled out a lot as he’s gotten older too, and does climb onto our bed in the mornings now to sleep next to us. He’s the goofiest, best boy and we love him so much♥ 1source record 828
Or when a family member inadvertently gives them debilitating anxiety because the family member has some kind of anxiety that they pass on to the dog. MIL would consistently over-react during storms, sometimes shrieking, gasping, and jumping in very over exaggerated ways (she was not genuinely panicked, she would just act that way for attention). We noticed our dog would start to pant, pace, and panic after staying with my MIL. Once she picked up those bad habits, she became the most anxious dog I’ve ever known and was never the same again.♥ 2source record 1051
I too have always had cats, and never intended or planned to be a dog owner....then my Gram passed, and her 7 year old (5lb) long haired chihuahua was already kinda attached to me since he would stay with me when she was in and out of the hospital. So naturally I took him in. Well. I have never experienced such anxiety in my life. First, my bigger cat attacked him one day resulting in ER Vet (I am still traumatized, I had his blood all over me) but he is a-ok now, except I am not. And then kind of soon after, an off leash dog attacked and killed a chihuahua in my town (he posted on reddit and was completely shattered by losing his buddy and witnessing it!) So when I take him out to go to the bathroom, I am looking in EVERY direction ALL the time to make sure there are no dogs around, and if one is coming, I pick him up and run inside. I HATE IT because I would love to take him on long walks. My partner takes him on walks- I take him out to do his business and then when my anxiety takes over, we head in. It's a lot.♥ 1source record 1088
This happened to my dog as a puppy, She’s what we call a Velcro dog now. she won’t leave my brothers side, and if he’s not home, she’ll scream until I come get her. The two cats he had that she got along with passed after 16 and 17 years in my home. She’s only 9 now, and has a couple more years. Honesty a very fit dog, I’m thinking 6 more years. Anyways, she’s super lonely now, but flips out if we try to introduce her to other animals. It’s isolation or psychotic rage. It’s so depressing.♥ 1source record 1123
This is another one of the reason cats are easier. Cats actually do usually hang out with each other If they get along, they don't just look to their human for entertainment all day. But with dogs getting two is literally never a solution. If a dog has separation anxiety and you get two, it will just ignore the other one when you leave and whine at the door anyway. If one of the dogs has any aggression issues, and you get another one, it will just attack the other dog etc. Humans have bred dogs, specifically to be reliant and bond with us. Its our fault they are so neurotic like that.♥ 2source record 1333
My dog has anxiety and she struggles if she's alone for more than 4 hours. I work from home so it works out.♥ 2source record 1510
Did dogs always have anxiety like this? I feel like one day suddenly all my friends were stuck with this massive burden that stopped them from leaving their homes. Maybe I just hadn't noticed but it feels like it didn't used to be this bad.♥ 1source record 1558
There was definitely a shift with Covid and and WFH♥ 2source record 1559
Whatever you do. DONT GET A SECOND ONE TO KEEP YHE FIRST COMPANY!!!!!♥ 3source record 1968
10,000,000,000% agree. My first dog was genuinely the best dog on the planet, granted I was young and my parents did most of the work. 2nd dog had some quirks but still pretty great, and we got him when I was a teen so I knew a little better. 3rd dog, MY DOG, owned by my wife and I? Domestic terrorist. She has eaten through THREE METAL KENNELS in attempts to find us when we leave for work, she runs every time she moves, never walks or moves calmly. I cannot for the life of me get her to behave consistently in any sense of the word. One day she’ll seem receptive to commands and routine, and then the next day she tries to pull some new age psych 101 shit with me like she watched some tiktok on how to trick your human into doing what you want. It’s baffling.♥ 3source record 2030
My family got a dog a few years back for my sister when she was younger, and I always feel bad when I see her, my sister ignores her like crazy, whereas my father absolutely adores her but needs to work, it leaves the poor girl so anxious and upset when hes not around. I try to engage when and where I can, but her anxiety makes it where the second you stop she starts whining and looking at you like you murdered her entire family. Dogs (Especially Labradors) are high maintenance and my family is a very busy pile of people. This is part of the reason why I love my Cat and will likely adopt more in the future, theres clear responsibilities to him, and he can be a nuisance, but a majority of his stuff (Litter, food, etc) can be automated without any complaints from him. The only real problem he's had since we found him as a kitten is that he's got a heart murmur, so the guy has to take a pill every morning and night, but thats piss easy to do as he likes the pill packet treats and hasn't really had any effect on his lifespan from what we can tell, pretty sure he's turning 10 this year and he's been just fine.♥ 1source record 2453
I have two cavapoos. A lot of what I expected came with them shortly after adoption, but the separation anxiety is something I was not prepared for. I can leave them home alone all day for work but let it be for any other reason and they lose their minds. I can’t walk them separately because they will work themselves up and scream for hours. They bark at the sound of every little thing. They have to eat a very specific type of food because they’re both allergic to chicken. I have to express their anal glands every few weeks because they get impacted and will rupture. One of my girls has to have a *vulvoplasty*. The poodle gene causes them to have bad teeth so I spend $400 every 6mos to have their teeth cleaned, on top of brushing their teeth daily and grooming them. Like I said, I expected a lot of this after doing research, but with my husband currently overseas for a year it is definitely not something I would like to do by myself long term.♥ 1source record 2914
The only thing that sucks about my dog is the anxiety she has, but otherwise, she’s been trained very well not to eat random things (I walk her every day and watch carefully LOL) and leaving her alone for 8 hours while I work sucks too♥ 1source record 3199
I had a roomate with a dog that had severe anxiety. And I wfh while roomate did not. She would constantly whine about any noise or just bc she wanted attention and needed to be taken out every couple of hours or she would pee on the carpet. She was very cute but sooo annoying. I literally get traumatic flashbacks of her constantly whining. I had to wear earplugs just to not lose my shit. She would also get up on the couch with muddy paws. Anyway, im a cat person lol.♥ 1source record 3268
I had the best dog and the worst dog at the same time. My retired racing greyhound was the goodest girl. Like most grays, she slept a lot. She was quiet, well behaved, enjoyed affection but wasn't clingy. The pitty mix was super sweet but you could not leave him alone for a minute. His separation anxiety was so bad he nearly killed himself busting out of a crate. Leaving him wth the grey helped, but more often than not we would come home to a destroyed house. This dog literally ruined dogs for me. A good dog is great, but a bad dog is just devastating. I don't even want to take the risk anymore.♥ 1source record 3515
[account] What breed is she, most dogs I know aren't that fragile what are her other behaviours. does she pant she not tired or not hot, his her posture tucked is she unable to settle down when she's with you in the the livingroom and you're just watching TV. Because if you honestly answer yes. to two or more of those behaviours she's following out of anxiety and is called shadowing at that point and the behaviour needs training to fix.♥ 1source record 3755
A very sensible post. I love my black Labrador beyond words from the very first day when my Wife and I got him as a puppy but my God, the impact it’s had on our lives would have made me reconsider getting him in the first place if I could see what was ahead. A beautiful, happy, bounding pet that warms the heart but his separation anxiety (no matter how hard we tried to correct it in the past) means we can’t do anything, go anywhere or see anyone without him. That and his constant pulling during walks, his clinginess and constant whining. In terms of being able to take a vacation, We got very lucky that we were able to go on a few vacations without him thanks to the generosity of our respective families to look after him for a week and that’s what’s really kept us going but other than that, it’s way too much responsibility but we’ve made our choice and it’s our responsibility to face the consequences, good and bad. But I will never even consider owning another dog again after our dog sadly passes away one day. I won’t put myself through it again.♥ 1source record 3790
Just wait until you try to go on a vacation for a week or two and you can't bring your dog with you. Or discover the hard way that your dog has separation anxiety and when you leave them alone, they freak out and wreck your house, causing thousands of dollars in damages.♥ 1source record 3906
I have a husky, and I consider her my best buddy. I work from home, spend all day with her and love her like my own child. This has created a monster. If I were even to step out to take out the trash, I can hear her tantrum from outside the house. If I go out for an evening, all I can think about is the havoc she cause in revenge of my absence. When I go out of town I have to pay out the ass, for someone I trust in my own home to watch her. Last time I boarded her she got so anxious, refused to eat or drink, and she got so sick that I had to pay thousands at the vet. Nothing was wrong with her, it was just like she was physiologically trying to kill her self and it was working. I give this dog the best and most happy life I can, but it’s like having a baby that never grows up. Most adults get the excuse of bailing early some days or skipping out on work trips because they have kids at home. It seems so immature and unfair to those with kids, but it’s such a hassle and financial burden for any extended trip that I feel like I need to pretend it’s a child. But if I were ever to say no to something at work, BECAUSE I HAVE A DOG AT HOME, I would get fired. Work trips drain my bank account, this obviously shouldn’t be the case, and I’m considering changing careers… because I have a dog. Owning a dog is great for building a bond, growing responsibility, and just to have a cuddly creature that idolizes you. But the whole “they are a big responsibility” gets thrown around lightly, and I feel like society as a whole doesn’t give an ounce of respect to attending to that responsibility and the life you are in charge of, even if it’s an animals life.♥ 1source record 4214
I have an Australian shepherd I got when I got out of the military I love him but I’ll never buy a dog again. I’ve been a dog person my whole life, but he has extreme anxiety can’t be left home alone without destroying something, I tried to kennel train him but obviously failed now when we tried to kennel him he broke out and impaled his inner thigh and snapped a tooth. I live in Florida it storms everyday he acts like it’s Vietnam. He squirms is the tightest spots to seek shelter breaking everything in his path. For some reason he’s been jumping on the kitchen counters to hide under the cabinets? I don’t even understand that but he knocked everything off the shelf broke what ever fell. We can never go on vacation because he can’t be boarded. We have to pay friends to SLEEP at our house. He has seizures about once or twice a month even though he’s medicated. He follows me everywhere I can’t get a damn break always tripping over him because he’s in my legs. He whines and cries all the time I think it’s just how he talks but holy crap is it annoying I love the little guy but I will never buy another dog in my life. He also cannot stand my 5yr old daughter won’t even look at her most of the time. She’s getting older and playing a lot more with him, but if she doesn’t have a tennis ball he has no care in the world for her probably because I got him when I was single and he feels replaced. He’s super friendly he’d never hurt anyone but he’s a screamer and a jumper. He doesn’t bark he just screams although he wil bark on command♥ 1source record 4294
Now just imagine if the dog had fucking doggy adhd and anxiety.. My mom's dog has the same issues you mentioned but is also just a terror of a dog. Because of whatever sort of anxious malfunction in his brain. He doesn't listen to shit, has barreled multiple people over because of hyperactivity (and hurts himself and others because of his inattentive nature), when he gets nervous he will charge strangers barking like a madman, when left alone he tears anything in sight to absolute shreds (which also means he gets sick constantly, diarrhea and puking all over the damn house and his kennel), and chases anything that moves including cats and people.. i swear her life would get so much better if she just gave it away to some farmers or ranchers or something. Meanwhile the most my cat does to irritate me is sit on my lap when it's way too hot♥ 1source record 4458
Has anyone else noticed that dogs are getting even more high maintenance too? I feel like in the past, I never heard a single person ever mention their dog as a reason they couldn't do something. Now, every dog owner I know worries about the dog when they're not around and their dogs all have separation anxiety and destroy shit when their human isn't home. It just seems like every dog has some behavioral issue nowadays. My friends all pay a doggy daycare hundreds of dollars a week to board their dogs 40 hours a week when they're working. I had a friend who lost his job and chose to stay unemployed longer than he should have because he wanted to stay home with the dog. He and his wife both acted like this was normal. He called himself a homemaker and would get offended if you didn't take that seriously. I know that specific example is very extreme but on the whole, it does seem like dogs are just nuisances. Like my friends act as though they cannot be gone from their home for extended periods of time for any reason. Like they've chained themselves to this massive burden for no reason. Is this just me? I'm genuinely asking cause I only have anecdotal evidence of my friends. For all I know, this isn't normal, but it's been my experience♥ 1source record 4786
Dogs can be incredibly neurotic and it’s gotten worse since Covid. You used to be a wolf and now you’re shivering because you saw a leaf blow in the wind come ON!♥ 1source record 4883

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Bites, and the dogs that were put down for them25 index entriesThe records where somebody was actually hurt, including several that ended in a dog being euthanised.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Bites, and the dogs that were put down for them

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Bites, and the dogs that were put down for them

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Situation: When the behaviour stops being a nuisance and starts being a danger

Why readers chose it: 25 records where somebody or some animal was actually hurt, and they fall into three groups: dogs that attacked and in two cases killed another dog, dogs that bit a person and were euthanised for it, and dogs the owner eventually put down after aggression they could not train out. Several describe incidents that produced no consequence at all — a citation, or nothing. The card is also where the two ends of the thread meet: the commenter who calls his dog the best he ever had and says in the same breath that he would never have trusted anyone alone with him.

What readers reported: My little dog was mauled to death in front of me by an unleashed dog on the beach. It was pretty traumatic and deeply affected my other dog who witnessed it for the rest of her life.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I'm really sorry to hear that. I hope that you're doing ok. Humans should never be in danger from someone's dog. This dog was horribly abused by its owner. I called and reported animal abuse for the man picking up the dog and literally throwing it in to the car against the opposite interior car wall. They never did anything anytime. One day it will be a human it attacks.

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I had a American Rottweiler like that. Garunteed to lose its shit if and when he saw another dog. I started calling him "on site", bc he'd try to maul any dig within eye sight. One time h literary jumped out of the back of my 90' ford bronco WITH THE TOP OFF, to chase a dog that was being walked. We were driving 35MPH!! He broke the chain that harnessed him to the fold up rear seat mount.... Some dogs just dgaf, but that was in the 90's and we never heard of prozac, let a lone drugs for dogs .....

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Same here. My dog also was horribly wounded. I eventually had to euthanize her as she eventually would go after people. Damn Pitt ruined her life.

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my poor yorkie got tossed around like ragdoll by a german shep that was off the leash, he ended up with a horrible infection that ended up killing him. broke my heart to the point that i don't think i can have another dog again.

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Wow you get dog shit on your shoe, poor you. GFs dog had severe anxiety, and was a Corso mix, so unfortunately in adulthood started to become aggressive. After years of training, boardings, nothing fixed him, he would get better for a bit, but inevitably something would trigger him again. He bit a few people, and after several years we knew he had to be put down. My GF lives with that decision to this day, and blames herself everyday. It drove her into a deep depression for a long time. Just thank your blessings you don't have actual behavioral issues with the dog.

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I used to have a very friendly Saint Bernard named Sebastian who only got aggressive when he saw me (or any of my other family members) get attacked by someone, or if he got attacked himself. But since that rarely happened he was very kind to everyone he saw. And at the time I also had a shitty ass neighbor who was a blonde 10-13 year old girl that thought that teasing him was hilarious. And one day, I saw my dog Sebastian come inside limping with a bloody leg. Turns out, this motherfucker THREW BIG ROCKS AT HIM cause she thought it was hilarious. Did she get punished? Well I don't know if her parents yelled at her or if she got grounded for a while, but after a month or two, she and her sister got their own puppies even after what she did. And because of her, my dog Sebastian became afraid of blonde teenage girls and HATED THEM so much he couldn't be around them anymore.

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She is a wild dog and its crazy to see how the lab and great pyr traits mix together. She is a pretty great dog tho, just has her quirks, she occasionally get resource guarding and will bite anyone who gets close to what she is protecting. Thats instinctive tho and we have done a ton of work getting her to a point where she trust us with the stuff she is protecting (I can now go up to her and take away high value bones and etc without her even blinking). I am a oretty firm believer that pretty much anything can be trained out with enough time, effort, and care. She also is extremely loving and will jump up on you and try to lean all over you if she wants attention.

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The number of people, including innocent children, killed or maimed by dogs will never be surpassed by the number of people helped by your Lord and savior doggy Jesus.

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I got attacked while on my bike by one, nothing makes me rage like an uncontrolled, off leash, aggressive dog.♥ 8source record 113
I'm really sorry to hear that. I hope that you're doing ok. Humans should never be in danger from someone's dog. This dog was horribly abused by its owner. I called and reported animal abuse for the man picking up the dog and literally throwing it in to the car against the opposite interior car wall. They never did anything anytime. One day it will be a human it attacks.♥ 6source record 114
My little dog was mauled to death in front of me by an unleashed dog on the beach. It was pretty traumatic and deeply affected my other dog who witnessed it for the rest of her life.♥ 6source record 150
I used to have a very friendly Saint Bernard named Sebastian who only got aggressive when he saw me (or any of my other family members) get attacked by someone, or if he got attacked himself. But since that rarely happened he was very kind to everyone he saw. And at the time I also had a shitty ass neighbor who was a blonde 10-13 year old girl that thought that teasing him was hilarious. And one day, I saw my dog Sebastian come inside limping with a bloody leg. Turns out, this motherfucker THREW BIG ROCKS AT HIM cause she thought it was hilarious. Did she get punished? Well I don't know if her parents yelled at her or if she got grounded for a while, but after a month or two, she and her sister got their own puppies even after what she did. And because of her, my dog Sebastian became afraid of blonde teenage girls and HATED THEM so much he couldn't be around them anymore.♥ 12source record 151
My sister made the mistake of adopting a Malinois because she liked how it looked. I don't know personally if she did any research or anything about the breed but my god that thing was a complete devil. Super sweet towards us, no problems there but other animals? Immediately attack to kill. It killed a dozen chickens maybe more and attacked two dogs that needed to get stitches and vet care that she had to cover. In the end she couldn't bear the responsibility and rehomed it. I later came across a few videos of vets being asked what breed they wouldn't adopt as a pet and I swear in every single one the first was the Malinois.♥ 2source record 889
Yup, my bulldog got mauled by a Bernese dog last Friday when we were out on a walk. I thought this was the end. The other dog just grabbed her and started shaking her violently. Luckily, she got off mostly fine. She’s just bruised and needed a few stitches and luckily no internal organs were damaged. But I’m still scared to take her on a walk again.♥ 2source record 1055
Shit, my late dog was leashed from day one, never off leash, never attacked, well socialized as a pup. One day he just decided other dogs were assholes and he didn't like them and people were no better than squeaky toys and needed to be chewed on. Yes, we tried obedience training but he didn't like any of the trainers. He allowed a few people in the house without barking his ass off at them or being kenneled. Never an angry hand raised to him. He just had a thought one day.♥ 2source record 1056
The other dog's owner had to prise her out of its jaws with a piece of driftwood. She howled in pain the whole way to the vet and died just before we got there. Major internal and brain injuries. The other dog wasn't registered and the guy took it home and shot it.♥ 1source record 1062
I had a American Rottweiler like that. Garunteed to lose its shit if and when he saw another dog. I started calling him "on site", bc he'd try to maul any dig within eye sight. One time h literary jumped out of the back of my 90' ford bronco WITH THE TOP OFF, to chase a dog that was being walked. We were driving 35MPH!! He broke the chain that harnessed him to the fold up rear seat mount.... Some dogs just dgaf, but that was in the 90's and we never heard of prozac, let a lone drugs for dogs .....♥ 1source record 1091
Same here. My dog also was horribly wounded. I eventually had to euthanize her as she eventually would go after people. Damn Pitt ruined her life.♥ 1source record 1096
My neighbor was walking his little dog and a German shepherd got lose and went straight for my neighbors dog and brutally ripped him apart. He was devastated and would walk up and down the street cussing up a storm screaming as loud as he could. It was a terrible day.♥ 1source record 1135
This happened to my parent's dog, a mini schnauzer. Neighbors had a great pyrenees & one of those invisible electric fence things. My dad was walking the schnauzer like usual & the GP rushed at them in the street. Ended up biting the schnauzer on the foot and chomped on my dad's ankle as well. My dad ended up having to go to the ER and the neighbors put the great pyrenees down and moved out very shortly after that. Just a huge shitshow overall.♥ 1source record 1146
My childhood dog, a Yorkie, was mauled to death by a 100+ pound bulldog (that was not even allowed to be in the neighborhood due to military bases having restrictions on dog sizes and breeds) while I was walking him when I was 10 years old. Because of an incompetent dog owner, not only did my dog die and I get a lifetime of trauma from it, but the bulldog was also put down afterwords. So two dogs lost their lives because of one idiot human.♥ 1source record 1151
my poor yorkie got tossed around like ragdoll by a german shep that was off the leash, he ended up with a horrible infection that ended up killing him. broke my heart to the point that i don't think i can have another dog again.♥ 1source record 1156
My sister has a Yorkie. It's her baby and she's done everything right. But the neighbors big dog jumped the 6ft fence and attacked her and the dog while she was in her backyard. She got bit on her arm, her dog was ok physically. But is now terrified of other dogs and has separation anxiety. When she reported them to animal control this apparently wasn't the first time this dog jumped the fence and hurt someone. She moved shortly after so I'm not sure what ended up happening but it sounded like the owners didn't care at all. They paid the medical bills, but probably only so she wouldn't sue them.♥ 1source record 1174
It's a matter for a government agency called Animal Control, not the police. Animal Control would have taken the dog away and probably euthanised it anyway. If a person had been injured the police might be more likely to get involved.♥ 1source record 1186
My dog was the best dog ever. But if I wasn’t around. I wouldn’t trust anyone or anything around him. I loved him to pieces but he was a son of a bitch. He stayed by my side and I wouldn’t put my burden on anyone else. Cus I only I loved him as much as I do.♥ 8source record 1885
Well I've had the kitten for a couple of months and so far progress has been slow. Our dog seems determined to kill it and is obviously not happy about the cat being in the home. We're fortunate that we have a spare room because otherwise this would have been impossible and we'd normally give the cat away after fostering it but it's blind and very hard to get adopted and at this point we don't want to give her away. We're trying as best we can with the dog trainer. We've tried a few things with some success though the problem is that the dog behaves better for the trainer than she does for the rest of us. She has calmed down somewhat with our cat compared to how she does when she sees cats outside on walks but we're still not at a stage to even entertain the idea of having them in the same room without the dog in her crate or on a leash. We try to keep them separate and alternate them between the two halves of the house. It's also important to prevent the dog from going to the kitten's door and just sniffing at it because she can be doing that for hours and it's not getting to know her it's tracking behavior. As I said it's been two months. For now it's manageable when we're all in the house. For the past week I'm alone looking after the animals so that the rest can go on vacation and it's been tough giving them equal time and attention and keeping them separate. We'll keep trying with the trainer and hope that the dog continues to slowly mellow out. If she doesn't I'll have to give the cat to my brother or my mother.♥ 1source record 1895
I agree with all of this, I thought having a dog (pit bull) would be great company and protection ...but the amount of crap we have been through with him, the medical issues and we learned the hard way he likes to kill small dogs. When we want to go anywhere on a trip we have to factor in the cost of a dog sitter because we use the Rover app to find people that can deal with him. He is a super chill dog and now a senior, most of the time he is downright boring, rarely barks, sleeps a lot, and goes outside just to potty but hates to stay out for any longer. You really have to look at owning any animal as a 15 yr (or whatever their lifespan is) commitment and decide if you are able to afford all of the expenses and able/willing to dedicate that much of your life to them. I will not ever own another dog because I just cannot deal with the long term high maintenance.♥ 2source record 2160
Yeah, me and my husband opened up our home to one of his parents dogs, he had been with this dog for 6 years prior. The dog decided to be EXTREMELY territorial about his breakfast one day and bit him in the face. Dog was re-homed by dinner time. In my opinion cats are less dangerous and more predictable.♥ 2source record 2375
I love my dogs but my situation has only made me never want dogs again after them. Adopted one dog from the shelter. He's smart but anxious/reactive. We work through it. He likes other dogs but is people selective (same, to be fair). We adopt another dog. The two of them get along great for 8 months...until they didn't. Some trigger gets tripped during play one night and we have a full on dog fight on our hands. Ok. We work on things. Vet gives clean bills of health. We work on managing triggers, stress, my own palpable anxiety that something else is going to happen. We have a behavioralist do sessions at the house. They're 85 and 100lbs respectively. Things are ok. We go on vacation with them. No problem. We get home and there was another incident. I got injured, they both got injured and were not stopping. I believe one would have killed the other without intervention. Our house is now separated. We have a sliding wall/door to keep them apart. It's too risky. It's made me never want dogs again, if I'm 100% honest. We can't all chill together. I can't go to the park with my husband and both dogs. I have to be hyper vigilant about keeping them apart. I love dogs. I want to love on someone else's dogs.♥ 1source record 2827
My entire life I grew up having pet lizards and snakes. My dad was a reptile breeder. So I had bearded dragons, leopard geckos, ball pythons and different kinds of turtles/tortoise. When I turned 18 I adopted a chihuahua. She fell in love with me instantly. But the problem was that she liked me and only me. The hardest part there is telling people to please not pet her because she will bite if approached and people just DONT LISTEN. One Thanksgiving I had her off to the side on her own little pillow, she wasn’t bothering anyone, just sitting there watching me, making sure I was safe. My partners uncle demands to pet her. I say no. She bites everyone but me. He really insists. Says he has 12 dogs at his auto shop and know dogs and none bite him. I still say no. He IGNORES me and goes over and shoves his hand in her face and she bit him. He calmly walked back to the table and just started eating his food while his hand was bleeding everywhere. Wouldn’t even admit he was wrong or say sorry.♥ 1source record 3504
Wow you get dog shit on your shoe, poor you. GFs dog had severe anxiety, and was a Corso mix, so unfortunately in adulthood started to become aggressive. After years of training, boardings, nothing fixed him, he would get better for a bit, but inevitably something would trigger him again. He bit a few people, and after several years we knew he had to be put down. My GF lives with that decision to this day, and blames herself everyday. It drove her into a deep depression for a long time. Just thank your blessings you don't have actual behavioral issues with the dog.♥ 1source record 3985
She is a wild dog and its crazy to see how the lab and great pyr traits mix together. She is a pretty great dog tho, just has her quirks, she occasionally get resource guarding and will bite anyone who gets close to what she is protecting. Thats instinctive tho and we have done a ton of work getting her to a point where she trust us with the stuff she is protecting (I can now go up to her and take away high value bones and etc without her even blinking). I am a oretty firm believer that pretty much anything can be trained out with enough time, effort, and care. She also is extremely loving and will jump up on you and try to lean all over you if she wants attention.♥ 1source record 4943
The number of people, including innocent children, killed or maimed by dogs will never be surpassed by the number of people helped by your Lord and savior doggy Jesus.♥ -6source record 5451

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Size and strength: the dogs their owners cannot physically hold25 index entriesInjuries at the human end of the leash, and the mismatch between dog and owner that produced them.
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Size and strength: the dogs their owners cannot physically hold

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Situation: A dog stronger than the person on the other end of the leash

Why readers chose it: 25 records about injuries at the human end. The harm reported is real: a hand broken by a leash wrapped around a palm, a nearly dislocated shoulder, a grandmother's broken hip, a knee put out of joint, an owner pulled into moving traffic. The mismatch commenters keep naming is a small or disabled person with a large dog, and one owner is inside the card arguing with the others about exactly that while describing muzzle-and-double-leash plans for a seventy-three pound six-month-old. The advice the card offers is the one thing everybody in it agrees on: buy for the adult size, not the puppy.

What readers reported: I saw a woman and her dog on a very tiny traffic island in the middle of an extremely busy main road. Another guy with a dog joined them, and her dog lost its shit, and pulled her into the traffic. Luckily she wasnt hit, but people should also consider a dogs adult size when they buy one, and if they can physically control it

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> they are fragile as fuck with zero self awareness Fragile depends on the dog. My saint Bernard broke a chain leash when we leashed her to our fence post to shower her. My uncle's pitbull broke through their window cause he saw a dog inside the house. And then there was my beagle who would climb the fence and make an 8 foot jump down to chase some squirrel. Zero self awareness is absolutely true, though.

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Unfortunately yes, my husband’s dog is 110lbs and he’s too strong for me to walk. My husband won’t walk him for some reason and prefers him to go in the backyard. I have a routine where I go out with him 3x daily. Follow him around the yard while he sniffs, pick up his poops, then we have a 15-20 min play session of fetch. I feel bad not being able to walk him but it’s the best I can do.

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People can never dream of other people not loving their dogs- but as somebody who had parents that never trained their dogs and often had big dogs growing up, its an absolute nightmare. They're loud, overstimulating, sometimes dangerous because they will knock you over or crash into you, and they require constant vigilance from getting into trouble. My parents dogs used to counter surf steal whole loaves of bread, and you could never leave a plate unattended even for a moment. I'm so glad to leave it behind for my chill cat.

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I loathe dogs. They \*always\* jump on me, and, as I am tiny, mostly either knock me over or screw up my knees. I used to ride my bike in a rural area of Maine and have been attacked by dog packs more than once. Miserable beasts. Cats, on the other hand...

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I love dogs but can understand that they’re not for everybody. They’re messy and the vet bills are exorbitant. Worth it to me but I totally get what you’re saying. My dog took my knee out of joint once because he spontaneously decided to just tackle me in play. He did not give one \*\*\*\* that I laid there writhing in pain, the big goofball.

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I saw a woman and her dog on a very tiny traffic island in the middle of an extremely busy main road. Another guy with a dog joined them, and her dog lost its shit, and pulled her into the traffic. Luckily she wasnt hit, but people should also consider a dogs adult size when they buy one, and if they can physically control it♥ 48source record 107
I know so many older people with injuries caused by walking the dog and then it yanked the leash. Or walking in a straight line and then the dog got underfoot. I’m with OP on this one. Dogs are cute, but I don’t want to own one♥ 8source record 108
People can never dream of other people not loving their dogs- but as somebody who had parents that never trained their dogs and often had big dogs growing up, its an absolute nightmare. They're loud, overstimulating, sometimes dangerous because they will knock you over or crash into you, and they require constant vigilance from getting into trouble. My parents dogs used to counter surf steal whole loaves of bread, and you could never leave a plate unattended even for a moment. I'm so glad to leave it behind for my chill cat.♥ 252source record 310
My friend had a mutt that was part border Collie when we were kids. He was hyper and strong as a horse. He accidentally pulled my friend's mother over when she was walking it, because the dog decided it wanted to break out into a full sprint out of nowhere.♥ 1source record 727
Our neighbor thought she was adopting another small dog but when I saw her puppy and how big her paws were, I warned my neighbor her dog would likely be on the large size. 18 months later, her dog is big. Despite being all white, she's almost 50% German Shepherd according to genetic testing. Her dog is super protective of her and jumps on anyone who gets close. Almost impossible to pet because she likes to bite. Training has done very little to improve her dog's behavior.♥ 2source record 899
the number of small women who get large dogs to "feel safe" but then have *zero* control over that dog as it literally drags down the street♥ 3source record 937
My dog will lunge like this. He is, in fact, "aggressively friendly" and does want to play. But he's over 100 lbs and it's not cute at all when he murder barks and lunges at other dogs because he's frustrated he can't play with them. But that's why we have him on a leash and prong collar and are working with a trainer. I'm so sorry that happened to you and your dog.♥ 2source record 1068
My almost 6 month old pyrenees/mastiff mix weighs 73 pounds. He has been attacked by 3 different small dogs. He has been aggressively barked and lunged at by 2 more. He's developing some seriously dangerous associations despite my best efforts. I'm beginning to be worried that I'm going to have 130 (or more) pounds of dog that's not friendly to small dogs. I'm 5'3 with bad knees and shoulder. If he decides he's gonna go take out little Fluffy, I'm not gonna be able to stop him. All I can do is keep working with him..♥ 1source record 1194
It's pretty common....was just at the park and watched a small woman being dragged by her huge dog (some kind of mastiff? I'm not the best at dog breeds) because it wanted to go check out another dog. Multiple times at the same park I've seen people overpowered by their poorly trained dogs.♥ 4source record 1196
gI've had large, powerful protection breeds most of my life (all while having the same disability) and never had a problem with them pulling me around. This small dog thing though... He does great with everything/everyone else.♥ 3source record 1210
This could become a real problem and danger when he hits sexual maturity. Hopefully it will pass but if it doesn't, what's your plan? Muzzle and double leash?♥ 3source record 1211
Muzzle, leash to both his martingale collar and front clip harness, trainers.. I'm already working on trying to reframe his perception of little shit dogs. He lives with a bunch of ankle biters so I'm hopeful that if neighborhood dogs stop darting out their doors and trying to attack peacefully passing people that he'll get past it. It's definitely not something I'm ignoring and hoping he'll just get over.♥ 2source record 1212
My cousin's untrained doodle knocked over our grandmother and caused her to break her hip. Not cool.♥ 1source record 1644
Little man is 50 pounds of pure muscle haha. He once nearly dislocated my shoulder by unexpectedly sprinting after squirrels on (what was up to that point) a relaxed afternoon walk. We had to nip that in the bud IMMEDIATELY lol. He's pretty jacked; his "mix" includes pit bull, bulldog, and mastiff. His baritone bark has the timbre and volume of a MUCH larger dog, and when he would get super anxious in those early days, it was a real pain in the ass: that and the peeing in the house, my god. And let's not even talk about temper tantrums lol. The "easy to train" part just came down to understanding that he was anxious, not "bad". We had to be consistent in how we communicated with him and read his cues better. I would be lying if I said there wasn't more than one occasion in those early days that didn't have me questioning my sanity while cleaning up pee for the 5th time that day while crying. I have to remember that part when I get puppy fever! He's extremely well-behaved now, and I can't imagine life without him.♥ 1source record 1707
Unfortunately yes, my husband’s dog is 110lbs and he’s too strong for me to walk. My husband won’t walk him for some reason and prefers him to go in the backyard. I have a routine where I go out with him 3x daily. Follow him around the yard while he sniffs, pick up his poops, then we have a 15-20 min play session of fetch. I feel bad not being able to walk him but it’s the best I can do.♥ 1source record 1722
I’m going to try that. One time we were walking and a small branch fell from a tree and scared him. He took off and almost dislocated my shoulder. I was in pain for a week after. He’s also almost darted off in traffic and it took all my strength to pull him out of the way of an oncoming car.♥ 1source record 1724
Growing up I had a dog who helped me through my parents’ toxic relationship. One day I was walking him when he suddenly shot across the road. I saw a motorbike coming towards us so started wrapping the cord around my hand to get my dog off the road. Didn’t manage and the guy just drove through the leash - breaking my hand where I had wrapped the cord around my palm while making me chase my now loose and petrified dog♥ 1source record 2764
I fostered a puppy for three months. I was working on leash training him. He was a lab mix. Sucker dislocated my shoulder. I’ve been done with dogs after that. I adore the dogs my friends have. I enjoy seeing them but, I’m always happy to go home without them.♥ 1source record 3507
I know exactly what you mean and than there is the stupid leash... Disgusting and your Back/Arms will feel it after a few years. It's dumb to own a Dog, especially in cities. Neither you, nor the Dog has a dignified life.♥ 1source record 4072
Most breeds straight up do not understand how big they are or where the back half of their body is. It's hilarious, but can definitely be frustrating. Cats might lose track of their tails sometimes, but they generally know where their paws and flanks are.♥ 1source record 4447
> they are fragile as fuck with zero self awareness Fragile depends on the dog. My saint Bernard broke a chain leash when we leashed her to our fence post to shower her. My uncle's pitbull broke through their window cause he saw a dog inside the house. And then there was my beagle who would climb the fence and make an 8 foot jump down to chase some squirrel. Zero self awareness is absolutely true, though.♥ 1source record 4701
I love my Min Pin but you can't blink for one second. Just this morning I walked in front of her and a truck was passing in frontvof the home. Before I could react, she pulled off the leash and ran right at the truck. In those three seconds I thought I was about to see my poor dog get run over and splattered by the wheels of that truck. Miraculously she stopped maybe a foot away from the back wheels and the truck passed by. I would have never forgiven myself if she had been killed.♥ 1source record 4802
My disability is nothing new. Had the same issues my entire life. I've kept giant breeds for most of my life. Don't judge just because it's not something that works for you.♥ 1source record 5014
I loathe dogs. They \*always\* jump on me, and, as I am tiny, mostly either knock me over or screw up my knees. I used to ride my bike in a rural area of Maine and have been attacked by dog packs more than once. Miserable beasts. Cats, on the other hand...♥ 1source record 5362
I love dogs but can understand that they’re not for everybody. They’re messy and the vet bills are exorbitant. Worth it to me but I totally get what you’re saying. My dog took my knee out of joint once because he spontaneously decided to just tackle me in play. He did not give one \*\*\*\* that I laid there writhing in pain, the big goofball.♥ 0source record 5380

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Health, old age and the end265 records · 5 sub-topicsThe years nobody plans for, and the decision every one of these owners eventually reaches. 265 records.
Chronic illness: the stomach, the skin, the seizures and the special diet96 index entriesLong-running conditions and the diet experiments people ran against them, including the handful that worked.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Chronic illness: the stomach, the skin, the seizures and the special diet

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Chronic illness: the stomach, the skin, the seizures and the special diet

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Situation: A condition that does not resolve, and the years of trying things against it

Why readers chose it: 96 records about conditions that do not go away. The commonest is the digestive one the original post described, and this card contains a full four-year search: kibble after kibble, supplements, tests, hydrolysed protein, prescription diets at $140 a bag, and a veterinary team that ran out of ideas. The others are skin and allergy — repeated antibiotic courses, a prescription low-fat diet after pancreatitis, a dog that licks itself raw — and seizures, including a golden retriever that died of epilepsy at five and dogs on daily anticonvulsants. Two remedies recur with reported results, psyllium husk and plain pumpkin. The argument running underneath the whole card is what to feed a dog, and it is not settled here.

What readers reported: Ehh, the food issue specifically can be hard to figure out so I wouldn't judge them for that. I've spent 4 years or so trying different types of kibble, supplements, tests, etc., and my dog just has recurring diarrhea. She's on prescription food right now because it's slightly better than the other kinds of food she's tried (including other types of prescription food), but it's not perfect. Her vets are stumped. Everything comes back normal. They've sent samples across the country, looked into "zebra" diagnoses, and just nothing. I do judge them a little for having a yard full of poop, though.

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>The higher the quality of food, the less poop That's absurd - think about a person pooping tiny pellets - are they eating better than someone with normal poo? It's not true for dogs, either. Also, most of those boutique diets do not testing and have no staff qualified to support their claims that their food is healthier. Look into WSAVA guidelines and which brands are compliant.

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>A higher quality diet, such as a raw food diet There is no way a competent vet told you a raw food diet was healthier than a WSAVA compliant kibble. Nor is a dog behaviorist qualified to be giving you medical advice. Please dont spread harmful misinformation with questionable sources.

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If you're a PhD scientist then I trust you to do research from a scientific perspective using evidence and reputable sources. I can't convince you, but I think you should probably look into this a LOT more and be careful where you get your information.

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Yes owning a dog is hard work, (dog trainer). But you really could make it easier on yourself, change the food, it’s normal for a dog to poo max twice a day, the poo should be firm and not particularly smelly unless broken. Unless there are other underlying conditions, change with different feeding, grain free, raw, a certain protein like only lamb for instance, hydrolysed, etc, you could hire a dog nutrition specialist. As for the playing, there is training you can do, but for ease just put the dog on lead or shut away.

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Exactly!! I didn’t realize when I got mine (passed last year 😞 unfortunately) but I didn’t realize the other things that come with the responsibility like my dog had major stomach issues. The slightest thing would set his tummy off and he’d have diarrhea or throw up sometimes. Poor guy wanted to eat everything but his stomach didn’t allow it. I went under the naive assumption dogs had stomachs of steel and of course my dog ends up like me with a sensitive tummy 😂 plus he was an Aussie. SUPER fluffy dog … I’d have to wipe his ass more times than I can count. I miss him so much but god I don’t miss his diarrhea bouts.

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If you're a PhD scientist then I trust you to do research from a scientific perspective using evidence and reputable sources. I can't convince you, but I think you should probably look into this a LOT more and be careful where you get your information.

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Opinion aside, please take your dog to the vet. They should not be having constant diarrhea. You're likely feeding it something they're allergic to or something they're sensitive to. Please change that poor dog's diet.

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Funny cause it’s relatable but maybe change his food so he has more firm stools. No reason to walk around smelling like poop.

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Uh…yeah…it is exactly the same 😂 Your entire comment is utterly invalid.

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Exactly!! I didn’t realize when I got mine (passed last year 😞 unfortunately) but I didn’t realize the other things that come with the responsibility like my dog had major stomach issues. The slightest thing would set his tummy off and he’d have diarrhea or throw up sometimes. Poor guy wanted to eat everything but his stomach didn’t allow it. I went under the naive assumption dogs had stomachs of steel and of course my dog ends up like me with a sensitive tummy 😂 plus he was an Aussie. SUPER fluffy dog … I’d have to wipe his ass more times than I can count. I miss him so much but god I don’t miss his diarrhea bouts.♥ 5source record 86
Yeah my dog had poop problems too I changed to a dog food brand shelters and vets use and he’s been fine ever since. It won’t happen overnight it probably took weeks for him to get acclimated but he’s been fine for years now♥ 48source record 93
Opinion aside, please take your dog to the vet. They should not be having constant diarrhea. You're likely feeding it something they're allergic to or something they're sensitive to. Please change that poor dog's diet.♥ 55source record 357
This is another layer of dog ownership that people overlook. You need to be very in tune with their behaviors and biology. You gotta be looking at poops to make sure they're good. You gotta be on top of weird behavior patterns and able to understand their communication. Animals are communicating CONSTANTLY and if you aren't privy to it, you can end up with headaches that could have been avoided.♥ 18source record 358
The higher the quality of food, the less poop. I feed Nutro Natural Choice and my dog poops very little. Also, you should research breeds of dogs and find one that has a demeanor that matches your lifestyle.♥ 41source record 407
>The higher the quality of food, the less poop That's absurd - think about a person pooping tiny pellets - are they eating better than someone with normal poo? It's not true for dogs, either. Also, most of those boutique diets do not testing and have no staff qualified to support their claims that their food is healthier. Look into WSAVA guidelines and which brands are compliant.♥ 42source record 408
Once I was a dog owner that bought cheap dog food. I did not understand. Then I married a lovely woman who educated me on the labor savings of more spendy dog food. My dogs now get the best I can find. Because clean up is greatly reduced. Everybody wins.♥ 8source record 410
Also vet savings.♥ 4source record 411
Yeah consistent loose stools usually just means change the food and they'll be normal after a few weeks. Maybe a parasite that hasn't cleared.♥ 3source record 845
I just learned this the hard way. I have a 30lb Aussiedoodle that pretty much understood basic English right out of the box. But I didn't realize it, and I thought I was just a great dog owner. Then I wanted a "real dog," so I rescued a 90lb 4-yr-old pit/G. shepherd/boxer mix. He's a big, sweet boy, but he's as dumb as a box of rocks. He has the most sensitive stomach I've ever seen, some allergy causing him to lick his paws constantly, drinks water like its the last bowl on earth which causes him to pee when I go to work, and fur all over the place. On top of that, my job started requiring loads of OT, so I'm paying for a walker and daycare. I love him and I'm going to figure out how to make it work, but I'm sorry to say that if I could do it over again I would take a pass.♥ 3source record 860
It’s so tough, we adopted our dog when he was already a year old and put a ton of effort into trying to get him not to eat random things. He had digestive issues and parasites when we got him, so it definitely caused him problems. We treated those things and got him on a Rx dog food, which is the only thing he’s allowed to eat. I can now get him to not eat a specific thing with “leave it”, but the generic “don’t eat things unless they’re in your dog bowl” feels like a lost cause after 2+ years of consistent training♥ 1source record 872
Ehh, the food issue specifically can be hard to figure out so I wouldn't judge them for that. I've spent 4 years or so trying different types of kibble, supplements, tests, etc., and my dog just has recurring diarrhea. She's on prescription food right now because it's slightly better than the other kinds of food she's tried (including other types of prescription food), but it's not perfect. Her vets are stumped. Everything comes back normal. They've sent samples across the country, looked into "zebra" diagnoses, and just nothing. I do judge them a little for having a yard full of poop, though.♥ 2source record 910
Hills science diet♥ 1source record 1005
Probably allergic to poultry and grandma probably feeding table scraps too much♥ 1source record 1705
My dog is on hydrolyzed protein for his allergies. He’s a giant breed, but has the tiniest poops. It’s great.♥ 3source record 1842
Try pets table! Barely anything left - and it’s so much easier to clean. SO much filler in dog food. There are historical reasons for that but it became a money maker and stayed. I won’t be going back to kibble.♥ 7source record 1843
That's a terrible dog food. They don't have board certified veterinary nutritionists, they don't do trials, they don't have peer reviewed research and they don't even have a PhD in small animal nutrition on staff♥ 2source record 1844
Nutro is not a boutique brand at all.♥ 2source record 1870
It's not absurd, its true. Eating nutrient-dense foods reduces waste.♥ 5source record 1872
The most nutrient-dense foods arent necessarily the healthiest foods. We evolved to eat a diverse diet, and so did dogs (albeit not the same one). Being able to eat the most nutrient-dense foods all the time is a very new thing, and its not what our bodies of gut microbes are optimized for.♥ 8source record 1873
A quality high protein dog food with few fillers and more nutrient-dense ingredients will absolutely allow your dogs body to utilize more of the food and excrete less waste.♥ 5source record 1879
It’s not. Lower quality food like a lot of highly processed kibble biscuits are bulked out with a lot of stuff dogs can’t properly digest, so they poop larger and more frequently as a result. A higher quality diet, such as a raw food diet, can help for a more efficient digestion and result in smaller and less frequent poops because they can digest more of their food properly. A healthy dog poop should be relatively dry instead of wet. You should be able to pick up a dog poop easily/cleanly and have little to no residue of it left behind. Pellet-like poop is not healthy in dogs either and unlikely to be what the OP commenter meant. Source: a dog behaviourist told me this and my vet confirmed. A quick google says the same.♥ 3source record 1887
>A higher quality diet, such as a raw food diet There is no way a competent vet told you a raw food diet was healthier than a WSAVA compliant kibble. Nor is a dog behaviorist qualified to be giving you medical advice. Please dont spread harmful misinformation with questionable sources.♥ 1source record 1888
Regarding the poops, sounds like it might be a diet issue. My BIL's rotweiler takes perfect shits that are a pleasure to pick up. But they don't let him eat anything other than his good quality kibble.♥ 9source record 1915
If your dog has bad shits all the time, change it’s diet…♥ 9source record 1916
I guess it’s just the price you pay for having the sweetest most loyal and loving creature in your life. My dog was the most perfect girl and she ended up having seizures later in her life. It wasn’t life threatening but major enough to make me anxious 24/7 about her having another one while I was asleep or at work. She ended up getting on medication which controlled them very well and was perfect until the last couple months of her life. One day I noticed she was really slowing down, endless panting for hours and couldn’t stand up on her own. I always thought old age was just catching up to her, since she was always very energetic her whole life. We took her to emergency vet where they mentioned she had a mass in her esophagus and suggested quality of life would not be good as they suspected cancer. We unfortunately had to let her go at 12.5 years old. I was and still am devastated. It was a challenge being a dog parent but it was the best experience ever. Even after having to put her down, I would do it all over again with her because the love and relationship we had was unbeatable. It really felt like something I’ve never experienced before in the best way.♥ 2source record 2036
You might want to change something in her diet or add some kind of supplement so her poop is more solid and she stops struggling♥ 2source record 2059
Funny cause it’s relatable but maybe change his food so he has more firm stools. No reason to walk around smelling like poop.♥ 2source record 2088
As a vet tech I highly suggest talking with your vet about your dog's bathroom habits. Many dogs have food allergies or other digestive issues such as IBS that result in leaving trails of soft poop like your dog seems to do. You can try diet trials with only one type of protein (chicken, lamb, rabbit, fish, etc) or try adding fiber or probiotic supplement into your dog's diet. Having to deal with constant diarrhea is awful for both you and your pup!♥ 1source record 2330
Your dog needs more fiber like bernie’s perfect poo. It’s an extra thing you sprinkle on their food. It works wonders.♥ 1source record 2352
Which his specific issue regarding poop has more to do with the dogs diet than anything. He complained about non normal poops.♥ 3source record 2369
It seems like a lack of training and poor diet. I am sure she is well loved. But people loving their dogs, letting them do whatever they want, and eat things they shouldn’t (often human food, or too many treats, and other signals of misdirected love) result in more frustration than necessary. Glad you have self awareness about never having a dog yourself. Also, I’m not sure what food you give, but this is for everyone: don’t feed your dog Kirkland brand dog food. It’s the worst for poops♥ 1source record 2447
Probiotics♥ 1source record 2459
Change the feed , stick to a routine down to the minute and the potty problem will go away.♥ 1source record 2505
I d say most dogs are trainable , human are a different story., for the indigestion part what kind of dog food are you feeding, might be time to look for a different brand all together improve his digestive system.♥ 1source record 2595
I feel like I found my people in this thread 😭 when I was 20, I really wanted a puppy and with my first paycheck I bought a dog and everything I needed… Digestive sensitivities > Poop everywhere (After 7 years I realized that normal poop is possible but only with prescription dog food. I had tried nearly every food available on the market and had gotten 75% of the way there but not 100) Dog breed is reactive to bunnies and squirrels > can never be off leash except in fenced in areas (she’s gotten better with time on this one) Small bladder > frequent walks Even with said walks, gets bored > buy so many toys Giant shedder > need brushing weekly and vacuuming roughly 1-2 times a day And so much more. I had to change my life completely. It took 2 years before habits had fully formed. And I had and still have no one helping me. She’s a sweet girl, and now she’s been with me for 9 years. Glad she’s been by my side, but I’ll never do it again.♥ 1source record 2597
Just in case anyone isn't aware, you have to keep feeding your dog the exact same brand of kibble, and if you want to try a different product, you need to slowly wean, otherwise they will have very messy poops.♥ 1source record 2628
We use probiotics for our dogs and they poop at basically the same time every day. Oh, and just pick it up when it happens then you'll never have to worry about stepping in it.♥ 2source record 2640
Re: the multi-poops, try adding a teaspoon of psyllium husk and a cup of water to her food. Fixed my husky’s poop problems almost overnight. As a bonus the water slows them down and prevents bloating♥ 2source record 2656
Judging by the sound your comments it sounds like there is no training being done. Regarding the poops you have to try a number of different brands AND put the research into the brands. While 9 brands might make your dog have diarrhea, the 10th brand could suit them and they won't have tummy issues. Kinda of sounded like a dog was wanted but that was the extent it went to rather than seeing what is entailed with owning a dog♥ 1source record 2713
Good honesty. It can be a task for sure. We've trained ours to have a poo on his walks, so we pick it up and throw it away whilst we are out, solves the yard issue. Cooking for the dog is easy, cheaper and healthier than dog food, rice, a bag of frozen mixed veg, and a bag of frozen chicken parts (you know the 3 legs 3 thighs type?) put the rice on the bottom, mixed veg on top of that then chicken on last, bung it in the oven until the chicken is done, divvy it out into portions, will be enough for 7 days.(If you like their coat to be shiny, do standard dog kibble with sardines in tomato sauce on a Friday) Fragility only comes from scale, my dog is a bit of a unit, has the capacity to take down most humans, (thankfully he's just a happy dope) so maybe a larger breed would suit you well, the poop is bigger but then it's easier to pickup too. The ckingyness is true, having multiple dogscan solve some of this because they can cling to each other, but they'll still want you around, some dogs are worse then others,mine is super clingy so I get this completely because it becomes very very tying. Dogs will always want to be in the centre of things, it would be easier for all of you just include them. Good luck with it, I hope it gets easier for you, because if you feel like this, the dog 100% will pick up on it, not understand what it means, and will become more difficult, because all it will see is angst, for an unknown reason.♥ 1source record 2746
I highly recommend a product called Bernie’s Perfect Poop if she has a hard time pooping. You mix a scoop or two in with their food and within a week or so it’ll be fixed.♥ 1source record 2845
I have two. One is a rescue Schnauzer with about every health issue a Schnauzer can have. The worst part about owning a dog, from my experience, has been when I can’t immediately fix a health issue. He’s a good boy and doesn’t have any concept of medical care beyond licking a wound or eating grass. Of course I’m gonna do whatever possible to make sure all he has to worry about is being silly and happy. Mine is clingy because he obviously enjoys being around me. He’ll paw at my boots as I lace them up to leave for the day or hit my feet to try getting me to play and not leave, then when I get home, he howls and spins with joy I have a service that comes to my yard and cleans twice a week, but even then, my two mostly go while on their daily walk, which I obviously bag-up and toss once I get home. Not much of a mess at all. IMO, the most important thing is training them well when you first get them. They’re dogs, and don’t know rules and expectations without someone showing them.♥ 1source record 2922
Sorry you're having a rough time! The poop thing sounds like a food allergy or a digestion issue. Have you tried different kinds of dog food, or adding probiotic (powder in a packet) to kibble? Could also be she's eating too fast, so a slow feeder could help (it actually helped stop our dog's nasty farts lol). For behaviors and eating things she's not supposed to, I'd recommend a trainer (with a focus on positive reinforcement)! Also, you might be doing this already, but always supervise your dog while she's outside. We're either looking out the window or walking around the backyard with our guy, and we pick up the poop immediately afterwards. Never stepped in it!♥ 1source record 2962
Jesus feed the dog decent food. Mix in some pumpkin.♥ 1source record 2981
Sounds like a young dog. Hang in there. They absolutely do chill out. Dont give up. Change the food. That could be the problem. They dont need huge bowls of food. They also make calming chews you can get at most stores that have a decent pet section. My dog loves pooping outside the yard. I take her on walks and the turds start flyin. That way you know right were they are.♥ 1source record 3075
My dog is a terror to others and in heart failure, so he wears belly bands and takes 6 pills a day. Sigh, it’s rough.♥ 1source record 3134
A dog shouldn't have loose stool like that all the time. Maybe the vet can recommend some different food. Also, keep an old pair of shoes on the back porch for picking up poop.♥ 1source record 3140
You gotta give your dog something for the poop. Probiotics or fiber.♥ 1source record 3243
My doggo is disabled and pees and poos all over the house and me . I’d still do the surgery again I take the full responsibility of living with a dog that has ivdd Haha I don’t think you would be able to handle ivdd if this is how you feel with a dog that functions fine. I hope your baby doesn’t encounter any problems with age for your sake and hers♥ 1source record 3251
Try changing the food. She shouldn’t be having that much of an issue pooping.♥ 1source record 3266
Yeah I understand it’s not for everyone, but there’s something vet or food wise that needs to be fixed. I know it’s 💸 but that dog is not enjoying the lines of poop any more than you do. Also, you can tie a long line so that your dog can only shit in like 1/5th of the yard, and just let it play with the rest. Also, you did get a hound mix, which is genetically wired to chase. Why not just get a golden retriever or something? As far as the slug, I’m not that surprised tbh. That just happens with any dog.♥ 1source record 3327
I love dogs personally, and I do find their behavior tends to get better at times when they age out of the puppy years in my experience. However, I'm also seriously considering not owning a dog again after our last golden retriever died earlier this year. He lost his battle with epilepsy at age 5, and I didn't get the chance to say goodbye. I absolutely love the breed, but the illness unfortunately is becoming more common with it. 😥 Dogs can be easy and absolutely wonderful to have, but I also think it depends on your setting on how chaotic it can be. It's fantastic if you live out in the countryside where they have lots of room to run around. But if I'm loving in an apartment setting, condo or townhouse then I would consider nothing or a cat instead. My family did get a cat for the first time and I'm honestly surprised on how much I like her. Never thought I would have warmed up to her, but she's a character. Not as entertaining to play with, but she poops outside a lot, so we barely ever have to replace kitty litter, and if we need to leave the house she can totally chill out on her own for days with an automatic feeder and kitty litter rotater. She likes to cuddle at times, but a lot of the time she also just likes to go out and do her own thing, which is largely hunting bugs, mice and birds. They're overall just significantly easier to manage. I think the most hilarious thing she did recently was we had a groundhog wondering under our deck and porch and she took a shit where the groundhog decided to dig lol. What a team player.♥ 1source record 3344
The poop thing can be fixed with a diet change, go see a vet for it. The eatin anything part, how old is the dog? Up until 3 years old they're still growing up and learning the world so they need training and forming if as many good habits as you can teach them to have a good dog for the rest of their life. It is your responsability to have a safe garden or to have eyes constantly on the dog when it's outside. Plants, nuts, some type of fruit, wasps, mice, rats, slugs and pests in general need to be taken care of by you guys because the dog doesn't know the difference. Lastly, the dog CAN NOT undestand how to chill tf out, it needs to be taught how to chill tf out. A good way to do so is to play with it a lot and every time it starts to get too much, say "ouch! Gentle!" And stop playing for a bit while disengaging the dog. Then when YOU feel like it, you start playing again. It bites too hard? OUCH! and say gentle. Starts jumping too high? OUCH! and say gentle. You need to tech the dog that when it's playing with people it needs to be gentle, otherwise the game stops. When it does a behaviour you want to keep, just give it a treat and say good boy. Every single time. Training a dog to be a good boy is not as hard as many people want you to think.♥ 1source record 3346
Can I just say that you can fix the poop problem. Likely it’s partially diet and partially the dog being a nervous pooper. Regardless, no scraps, the dog just easts the kibble and maybe change that if you don’t feed the dog scraps and see how that works. Also, you take the dog out for a poop from now on. Watch videos online but essentially, put them on a leash, walk outside (not your backyard) and be near grass or on grass. When the dog is about to eventually poop, you say “poop now” or “go poop”. Do this for some time and she dog will learn to poop on your command. Obviously within reason, can’t poop again if the dog just pooped. But if you know it’s been some time (pooped in AM and it snow evening), the dog will do it on command. Mine does. That’ll make your life easier and you won’t have to scan the whole backyard for poop anymore.♥ 1source record 3348
It’s amazing how much of your second paragraph aligns with my own dog. Our rescue dachshund gets seizures and is medicated for them, has anxiety about being left alone (plus thunder and fireworks), can’t be brought around other people without risk of biting, gets nervous in the car. On top of all that, we have to move our kitchen trash can into a room with a closed door when we go out because he’ll knock the thing over to eat out if it when we aren’t home. Barks constantly at any animal or person he sees in the yard or street in front of our house (real or imaginary), sneezes a lot of mess that’ll hang from his snout more often than not. He hates fast movements from anyone, will ferociously bark at me when I’m standing over my wife to talk to or hand her something when he’s next to her. The list goes on, but we love him all the same. We won’t be rescuing the next time we get a dog as there’s just too much unknown risk and trauma involved from the 2 families who had him before us and gave him up.♥ 1source record 3490
I have a hound dog mix and can relate to the need she has to be included in absolutely everything! Sometimes I just want her to chill, but in the end, I also laugh a lot at her antics, and she is letting me know she loves being with us, so I check myself on that one. However, the messy shit in the yard sounds like a food/digestive issue. Higher quality food not loaded with fillers might help. Adding some dog approved vegetables and rice may also help. There is no reason she should be making such a mess. Also, I clean up her waste after she goes, and I never leave it for me-or anyone else-to step in.♥ 1source record 3606
Aw! Do you have a dachshund mix? You have to clean poop. Comes with the territory. Do better. I have an apartment dog. I pick up his shit 3xs a day on walks. You can do it! Try different food and mixing pumpkin puree into it. It sounds like you don't want to make much of an effort, but you can do what I do and make food to go with kibble. It cleared up my guy's poop issues. Rice, ground meat, veggies thrown in an instantpot on the rice setting once a week. That with half kibble, and no more poop issues. And it's cheap! It's the same price as feeding kibble.♥ 1source record 3636
I have a hound with a very sensitive stomach, we give her pumpkin and also had to switch her to a sensitive skin and stomach dog food. Since switching it’s helped so so much. I had a vet once explain differences in protein types and how it impacts their guts differently too, I think beef and chicken are hardest on them, don’t quote me on that tho♥ 1source record 3637
Got my own boy when he was 2 months and I was 21, my dad wanted to teach my brothers responsibilities, it ended up being me learning. When I got him he had Giardia and tape worms also filthyyyy. I was told my dog is a boxer lab, after DNA tests and a massive growth spurt that had to be incorrect for his “breeds”, turns out he’s a boxer, German Shepard, pit bull mix. Due to the terrier in him, my dog is allergic to all poultry, he’s also very picky. He had lesions and bare patches from biting and itching until after years of searching for a food he not only wanted to eat, but wasn’t allergic to as well, he finally has hair and isn’t itching all the time; LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS CHICKEN BASED ALSO (dental treats, vitamins, pill pockets, toppers, etc.) I now read the ingredients on everythinggggg that I buy for him, and he’s also on allergy medication that costs about $114 a month. Due to the German Shepard, my dog is extremely clingy, screams when I leave the house or come home, he weighs 100 pounds, I’m about 115 pounds, he will knock me over until I sit on the ground and let him sit in my lap, it is a nightmare trying to coordinate him not being alone as much as possible. He is now on doggy Prozac, around $90 a month. Not to mention the heartworm, flea and tick prevention, about $200 every 6 months. He injures himself all the time because he has no idea how big he is and A. he’s part boxer (extremely high energy), b. he’s part German Shepard (horrible joints). I love him so much, I have put in so much money, effort and time to give him the best life as possible, but he is exhausting. It is quite literally like having a 2 year old running around following me, tripping me, howling at me, needing to be hugged, doesn’t want to eat unless someone is with him and it’s a specific food. I had to grow up so much in order to give him the best life possible, so I’ll always be grateful, but he makes me so worn out lol.♥ 1source record 3760
Add psyllium husks to your dogs meal. (Yes, it means mixing in a little water too). The payoff for poop picking-up is extreme. Turns that shit into silly-putty, it sticks together, it stretches, it comes out in one piece. Magic.♥ 1source record 3777
Add a little pumpkin purée to her food (PLAIN PUMPKIN NOT PIE FILLING) the fiber boost may help her poops♥ 1source record 3846
Hmmm that popping issue seems like it could be a digestive issue Your dog could be allergic to chicken and ALOT of kibble is made with chicken. It could give your dog very bad diarrhea or very loose stools. I would try switching to food without chicken in it. It’s actually quite common for some dogs to be allergic to chicken♥ 1source record 3873
Pay for the really really expensive pet food. They eat way less of it than the cheap stuff and shit soooo much less♥ 1source record 3894
Yes owning a dog is hard work, (dog trainer). But you really could make it easier on yourself, change the food, it’s normal for a dog to poo max twice a day, the poo should be firm and not particularly smelly unless broken. Unless there are other underlying conditions, change with different feeding, grain free, raw, a certain protein like only lamb for instance, hydrolysed, etc, you could hire a dog nutrition specialist. As for the playing, there is training you can do, but for ease just put the dog on lead or shut away.♥ 1source record 3922
Isn’t raw food terribly unhealthy for dogs?♥ 1source record 3923
A schnauzer wasn’t mine either, I grew up with German Shepherd’s so a small dog wasn’t on my radar. My husband found our boy and now they’re all I want to own. We found out a few months ago he has a cancerous lump that didn’t spread to his lymph nodes yet but they also confirmed they didn’t get it all so we are just loving him for whatever time he may have left which, we hope, is still a few years! Dog ownership is a huge commitment but the companionship they give makes the trade off so worth it ❤️♥ 1source record 3964
And don’t forget the dog has pancreatitis, so you have to hand make all of its food. Every single day.♥ 1source record 4141
The only rhing I want to add is a healthy dog should have a well formed poop that is easy to pick up. I would try adding some rice to see if things improve. Otherwise, they make dog food with inulin. It needs a special form of inulin as dogs cant tolerate onions, leeks. Otherwise opti-bac has some good doog prebiotics. You need prebiotics not probiotics. I use hills metabolic food fir my dog and her stool is perfect. Misshaoed poop means no so good microbiome and could mean anxiety. Besides that, i own a dog and its a lot. My trainer taught me a 30min program to get her tiered. You do ball fetches then you give command down, then you let her sniff (command ok) then you recall, you play again and give command comme or sit. You alternate between play and commands and their brain gets supper tiered. It sounds a bit like bad stomach and understimmulation. I also give command place for her to stay in her bed fo an 2 hours a day until a release. Dogs need obidience.♥ 1source record 4143
Can you change your dog's diet? Or start adding 100% pureed pumpkin to her food? Dogs should not be having constant poop issues. And I pick my dog's poop up right away, that way you don't have to worry about stepping in it (if that's an option). Dog ownership is difficult and time consuming, no doubt about that. Our lives revolve around our dog, who has severe separation anxiety. She can't be left alone for even just 15 minutes without rampant howling and crying in a full blown anxiety attack. One of us always has to stay with her, so we miss out on doing a lot of things together as a couple. However, we love her so much and she brings eternal joy to our lives. It will be heart shattering when she passes, I hate thinking about it.♥ 1source record 4203
So if you have dog poop problems, this tells me you are feeding the dog some crap like gravy train. Fid an local pet store ( Not PetSmart ) and buy her some real food. I feed our 4 dogs Fromm's that has 21% protein. and we add poached chicken to it and of course they poop just not as much we have 2 male GSD's, a Cane Corso (F) and a Chiaweenie and they all have great coats♥ 1source record 4323
My dog throws up or gets anal glad expression almost every single day. Usually on our couch or rug. It’s damaged both. I do laundry every day for this. We’ve tried many different sensitive diets, fiber etc. Now we probably have to get sugury to remove her anal glands. It’s EXHAUSTING. And a walk? Ha! I need a mental health walk after walking her.♥ 1source record 4493
this is so real but if you see an internal gi specialist it truly could make both the mouth end and the shit end easier to live with♥ 1source record 4544
I actually heavily relate to this post. Dogs are great pets most of the time, but man, it can be hard. We had one that changed everything for me. My wife and I adopted a dog who was very sweet with everyone, very laid back, and generally great. She ended up having a lot of medical problems though. She gained weight immediately and we had to try several diet foods and increasing her exercise, but she just seemed genetically predisposed for it. She was also very anxious whenever we were not home. She would regularly have accidents when we had to leave for even a short time, and could get very clingy afterwards. On top of that, she started getting into our cat’s food, even when we took steps to keep it away from her. Pro tip: do NOT let dogs eat cat food. Eventually, the poor thing developed diabetes, which cat food can apparently do if eaten often enough. We had to buy special veterinary food, inject insulin for her, and buy special supplements to help her with bathroom issues. She regularly had complications from her diabetes, and small things would become huge medical issues that required hospitalization and emergency treatment. And because she was our sweet girl, we paid every cent, even though it was becoming prohibitively expensive. Eventually, one of those hospital visits became her last. The poor thing died in her sleep during an overnight stay, and I cannot lie: I was relieved. Devastated still, of course, but it’s honestly impossible to overstate how much money we spent every month on keeping that old girl alive. Maybe that makes me a bad person, but it’s how I felt. It has put me off ever getting another dog again, to be honest. As much as I enjoyed being a dog owner, the idea of having another chronically sick dog gives me palpitations, and the sadness that follows that is not anything I ever want to go through again.♥ 1source record 4600
Honestly, I agree. Had a dog for 13 years, but she ended up having epilepsy. Those last 1&half years taking care of her were some of the hardest of my life (5 medicines over the whole day, starting at 6 o'clock in the morning; stepping into piss and shit all the time, cleaning it up; the stress of witnessing the seizures). I still love her and miss her, she was a great dog. But damn, I don't think I'll ever have a dog again.♥ 1source record 4622
Hi OP, I have an older lady dog with digestion issues that caused her to leave a trail of poop also. It's not a really big thing, but it's one of those tiny little annoyances that can accumulate. I started giving her probiotics with her meals and that really helped keep her poops in a tighter grouping and helped her strain less, poor girl. It didn't resolve completely, but did improve. I use the pumpkin flavored Pet Honesty brand. Couldn't do anything chicken flavored because she has allergies. Never thought I'd celebrate a literal pile of sh[account] there we are.♥ 1source record 4765
If you don’t already do it, looks like some training could help in addition to stool softener♥ 1source record 4792
Pro tip: Check with a vet about her diet, there might be a better food for her giving her more solid poos. And if you walk her twice a day she'll get into the schedule for pooping mornings and evenings reducing your yard to shit ratio. Consistency is key, all pun intended.♥ 1source record 4801
About the dog poop: change the food for the dog. When a dog eats food that's good for them, they poop once or twice a day, it's compact and dark, doesn't smell and is really easy to pick up. If it's light, difficult to pick up, smelly and the dog having trouble to actually poop properly, the dog is having a hard time to actually digest the food. Look at the ingredients list of the food. It should be at least 40% meat in it, if it's not mentioned how much meat, you can be sure that it's not much at all. Also try to avoid wheat and high amounts of gluten.♥ 1source record 4876
Guess she has perfect digestion lol mine have stomach issues which makes it worse♥ 1source record 4948
If your dog is healthy with a healthy diet they should never need their anal glands expressed. Even groomers are starting to shift away from that♥ 6source record 5126
Mine is 3.5 and has never needed anals.♥ 2source record 5128
Yes, I follow my dog around in the yard with a plastic bag and pick it up as soon as she's done. This dog also had trouble with the hardness of her stool. So now she's on prescription pre/pro-biotic food that is $140 a bag. 👀 I love her deeply and she is my soul dog, but I'm taking a long break from pets after she leaves me.♥ 1source record 5166
My daily diet is trash and not at all balanced. I don't listen to expert recommendations or consensus when I eat 😂 my diet is noodles and occasionally a sandwhich. Sorry, but I want better for my Pets than I do for myself.♥ 2source record 5169
Its sort of true if you start with extremely poor food. Otherwise I agree with you.♥ 1source record 5206
I would but he has to have chicken or steak on his food or he won’t eat and even then he sometimes has to be hand fed because he won’t eat and if he doesn’t eat then he gets very sick. And he won’t use a potty pad even a turf one even when it’s negative 40 degrees outside. He also won’t poop near our apartment complex he has to go for a walk.♥ 0source record 5220
Pooping less isn't a good thing. Poops that aren't smelly isn't a good thing. It is literally waste.... Your dogs body needs to expel waste. I'm going to bet this diet has very poor fibre. I already know nutro isn't a high quality brand♥ 1source record 5223
Uh…yeah…it is exactly the same 😂 Your entire comment is utterly invalid.♥ 0source record 5230
So low-fiber diets are the healthiest option for humans? Sure Jan.♥ 1source record 5231
You’ve put quite a lot of words in my mouth here. I didn’t say my vet told me raw is healthier than WSAVA compliant kibble. My vet’s actual words were that a lot of highly processed dog food is essentially “McDonald’s for dogs” and results in unhealthy poops and more of them. Nice that you completely ignore that part of what I actually said. Btw WSAVA doesn’t certify, approve or endorse food but provides guidelines for assessing manufacturers. Following those guidelines isn’t a WSAVA stamp of approval nor does it automatically mean their food is superior.♥ 1source record 5268
WSAVA says Purina (including Pro Plan), Royal Canin, Hill's Science Diet, Eukanuba and Iams meet the criteria and this list could easily be the top 5 worst foods. I question vets that recommend these foods, but I also don't taut for advice from my vet. That's not anywhere near most vets expertise as nutrition isn't a huge or deep role in their studies. I'm with you BTW. Your previous comment is spot on. I feed a dehydrated human grade base and add proteins as well as freeze dried raw foods that don't meet WSAVA guidelines. My dog's poops are consistently amazing and she's super healthy for a senior unlike many dogs I know on these approved kibbles who are also much younger.♥ 1source record 5269
Fair enough. I was trying to say I first heard this from a person who dedicates their life to dogs and sought to fact check it with my vet! Although I understand they’re not nutritionists. I’ve observed exactly the same. I used to use highly recommended yet processed dog food brands (one of which you listed) for the first couple years of my husky’s life. Terrible poops constantly. Switched to raw and they’re healthier than ever. Like yours you couldn’t tell he’s a senior!♥ 1source record 5270
Owning a dog is crazy responsibility that at least half of dog owner do poorly. I have 3 dogs. 2 rotties and a German shepherd. My German Shepard is a special needs dog because she's diagnosed megaesophagus disease. the details her eating routine trying to take care of her is hard. our first vet with diagnosis at to he time she was just over a year or so old. Said to put her down because quality of life isn't great. She's about 8.5 now. the amount of learning we had to do on our own about her disease because our vet office also didn't have a clue how to treat was mind boggling. She's nicknamed the 50,000 dollar dog. We don't know the exact number we have paid in3ds, vet visits, etc. but she ain't cheap. I would rather have a kid.♥ 0source record 5382
I eat very clean. If you did eat clean and were familiar with it, you would realize that some of these fresh food products are actually pretty good. They’re the same that I used to make for my dogs, I just pay someone else to make it now. (I’m a PhD chemist who made an entire spreadsheet with usda nutritional information to build my dogs diet - using research on nutrition for dogs - which is NOT an exact science.) It’s just fresh food. How much of a variance do wolves get in a daily basis? We keep dogs alive MUCH longer.♥ 0source record 5444
Dogs aren't humans and dog food is incredibly hard to formulate properly properly. Regular veterinarians aren't even qualified enough to do this. The vast majority of people don't even have a balanced diet even if they think they do...... And Like I said nutro has had cases of diet associated DCM and if that is caught in time, switching a pet to a diet formulated by teams of experts and scientists with peer reviewed research and trials to back them up have been able to reverse the damage if caught in time. Unless you are a PhD in small animal nutrition or a board certified veterinary nutritionist it is almost a certainty that whatever food you'd make at home for your dog is unbalanced and risky. 95% of home made diets are unbalanced. I just don't know why you'd risk your dogs health because you're so concerned YOU'RE going to beat the odds and make a healthy diet. It's egotistical, and I'm sorry to say it, but your dogs matter more than your feelings♥ 1source record 5445
If you're a PhD scientist then I trust you to do research from a scientific perspective using evidence and reputable sources. I can't convince you, but I think you should probably look into this a LOT more and be careful where you get your information.♥ 1source record 5447

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Situation: Caring for a dog that can no longer manage stairs, continence or a whole night

Why readers chose it: 62 records written mostly by exhausted people who are still doing it. The care described is concrete: carrying a 130-pound dog outside in a harness, a ramp built for a dog that could no longer manage steps, nappies, belly bands, incontinence, middle-of-the-night wake ups, hand-cooked food and several daily medications. More than one commenter says a senior dog and a newborn at the same time was the hardest year of their life. The emotion the card keeps naming is guilt — for being exhausted, and for wanting it to end — and a number of replies in it exist for no purpose except to tell those commenters the feeling is normal.

What readers reported: I needed to read this thread. I have a 15 year old hound that I love, who is "in great shape for her age"... But God the animal drives our life. Middle of the night wake ups, age related accidents, more anxiety. She was only ever the best; I owe her good elder care. But there is a part of me that feels exhausted by it all. I feel guilt for feeling that way.

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I had a german shepherd once. He lived 11 years. Loved him to bits but his last two years of life were a nightmare. He not only got dementia, but would also develop fistulas on his bum, which would make him shit all over the house. Liquid shit, mind you. And then, while I was trying to clean it, he would forget who I was and turn on me out of the blue. Again, loved him to bits and my heart was broken when he died. Cried for days. If I can be honest… some of that crying was relief.

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Yessss - within the last couple of years, I’ve had 3/4 of my elderly pets pass away (2 cats and 1 dog). Dog was 14, lab mix, and had epilepsy, kidney disease, hypothyroidism, just a whole host of issues. Eventually had to be put down when the kidney disease progressed to stage 4 and medication/prescription food didn’t help anymore. Great dog though. My cats passed at 15 and 17 - 15-year-old got stomach cancer and dropped weight rapidly but before then had a horrible urinary problems that vet visits could never fix. I changed litter boxes, locations, food, everything and that little fucker still ruined couches, drywall from marking them, etc. My 17-year-old cat passed away due to cancer as well and required prescription food and had tons of problems related to pooping - she refused the box so I had to eventually replace the carpet in my bedroom and closet and put puppy pads down all of the time. And her poop was this horrible diarrhea, ugh. My final cat is 14 and has chronic kidney disease and is on prescription food and is otherwise doing fine. Some tummy troubles here that lead to vomiting or constipation but changing his food to Royal Canin has helped. Just so expensive. Definitely the worst and most expensive stage 🫩 after this kitty passes, no more pets. I’ve got a 3.5 year old and looking to have another kid soon, I don’t have it in me, sorry kids lol

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Same! Ours are 13 and 14 and it’s exhausting how many meds and special needs they have. I love them so much but man, never again.

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At least she was a small Newf at 130 lbs. My last Newfie was 165 lbs when he started having hip problems and we had to help him in and out. Un/fortunately he went on his own 6 months after his brother, only a few months into having to carry him outside. His brother on the other hand had years of treatment in his senior years. Between nystagmus, testicular cancer (because my parents didn't spay them), a paralyzed larynx, and the eventual pneumonia from the paralyzed larynx, he cost nearly $10,000 in his senior years. Now, my dad is going through it again. His 8 year old Newf is 190 lbs with ligament problems in both of his hind legs. I have to drive an hour out to his house to help him get him in the car to get him to the vet more and more frequently. I don't see him being around much longer unfortunately.

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My pup is 18 and I don't think I have it in me for another. It's so draining when they get old.

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My 14 year old dog lost eyesight in one eye, has terrible hearing, and non-cancerous lumps but they affect her walking. Not much can fix these problems even with a lot of money. I feel so bad for her but she has a great life - my husband and I pick her up to put on the bed, she has a dog brother and sister, eats good, etc. It's such a weird situation 😭. And I wonder what other aches/pains she has that she can't voice.

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Oh and op. This has been going on since he was 12… so. It’s not just a recent thing. This could happen to you and your family for multiple years in a row….. GOODLUCK!

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My wifes yorkie is 19 years old now. He was pretty independent when i met him 9 years ago but now he's on old and senile. My wife liked the clinginess until we had kids, the dog follows her everywhere. Good luck! This one is finally looking old but i think he still has some years left lol♥ 18source record 202
My pup is 18 and I don't think I have it in me for another. It's so draining when they get old.♥ 334source record 225
I had a senior dog and a newborn at the same time and I honestly can’t tell you which one was more work to take care of. It was awful. I loved my dog but she lived for a really long time, probably longer than we should have let her go but it was so hard to know what to do. when she went over the rainbow bridge I was somewhat relieved.♥ 121source record 226
I adopted a senior boxer when he was 8, and he got degenerative myopathy when he was around 9, and was in a wheelchair for about a year and a half. It was so difficult caring for him, helping him pee, getting him used to a wheelchair. He passed away in May 2019, and I still think about him several times a week, but I was also relieved when he crossed over. We were both ready. I also struggle over if we wanted too long, but it’s such a difficult decision to make. Hugs 🤍🫂🌈🐾🤍♥ 6source record 228
I needed to read this thread. I have a 15 year old hound that I love, who is "in great shape for her age"... But God the animal drives our life. Middle of the night wake ups, age related accidents, more anxiety. She was only ever the best; I owe her good elder care. But there is a part of me that feels exhausted by it all. I feel guilt for feeling that way.♥ 36source record 229
Don’t feel guilty! You have given her a beautiful, secure life, and it’s ok to want more freedom after she is gone. Two things can be true at once! I felt that way the last several years of my dog’s life. I still gave her all the best, and took care of her until her last breath. My husband feels the exact same way. It’s ok. ❤️♥ 11source record 230
This is an incredibly normal feeling to have as any kind of caregiver. Please give yourself some grace. 🩵♥ 4source record 231
My senior dog is 14 and I'm over it. Love him and all that but yeah, I'm done. Senior dogs are harder to take care of and it's just getting exhausting.♥ 98source record 232
We had a 14 year old Newfoundland. She was an absolute gem, with the exception of her last year alive. 130 lbs of dog whose hips don't work is near impossible to get around. Going outside became a nightmare until we got some carry harness straps specifically for that. She went from a dog who relished 3 mile walks daily to a infinitely smaller life of her sleeping spot, her lounging by the door spot, and to go outside to pee. She never had any accidents indoors either, despite her advanced age, and we made sure to offer to carry her out many times during the day. Sometimes, she just wanted to sit outside, and we would sit with her. The worst part are the vet costs. All of the expenses with an older dog, all of the turning down 300-400/month meds to prolong her life for another few months. It wasn't that it wasn't worth it, but when you got your dog 13 years prior and a spay was $200, and yearly vet costs never got higher than $300, to suddenly every visit is $500+, and heartworm meds are now $300, I just couldn't afford it. We will never have a giant breed dog again because of the vet costs alone.♥ 24source record 242
At least she was a small Newf at 130 lbs. My last Newfie was 165 lbs when he started having hip problems and we had to help him in and out. Un/fortunately he went on his own 6 months after his brother, only a few months into having to carry him outside. His brother on the other hand had years of treatment in his senior years. Between nystagmus, testicular cancer (because my parents didn't spay them), a paralyzed larynx, and the eventual pneumonia from the paralyzed larynx, he cost nearly $10,000 in his senior years. Now, my dad is going through it again. His 8 year old Newf is 190 lbs with ligament problems in both of his hind legs. I have to drive an hour out to his house to help him get him in the car to get him to the vet more and more frequently. I don't see him being around much longer unfortunately.♥ 5source record 243
I agree. At some point it’s doing a disservice to the dog as well. Our dog is 14 with hip issues and my aunt won’t even entertain the idea of putting her down if she ends up losing all function of her hind legs. My aunt doesn’t understand that trying to lug a 70lb dog that can barely walk as it is up 3 flights of stairs and help her use the bathroom bc she can’t properly squat is fucking hard. Especially when said dog is stubborn as fuck and actively fights me. I feel horrible to say it, but I refuse to continue to be the only one taking care of our dog when that happens. I have a few issues with my shoulder, back, and wrists that make it really hard to lift essentially 70lbs of dead weight most days. My aunt can either figure something out and do it herself and keep her dog alive and miserable or put her dog out of misery♥ 1source record 623
My 14 year old dog lost eyesight in one eye, has terrible hearing, and non-cancerous lumps but they affect her walking. Not much can fix these problems even with a lot of money. I feel so bad for her but she has a great life - my husband and I pick her up to put on the bed, she has a dog brother and sister, eats good, etc. It's such a weird situation 😭. And I wonder what other aches/pains she has that she can't voice.♥ 1source record 631
Im a 28yo with a 14 yo dog and i am suffering♥ 1source record 706
Or at 16 that they refuse any food, unless I cook it for him.♥ 1source record 713
I’m sorry. That’s what my girl Ginger did shortly before she crossed the rainbow bridge, at about that same age. We fed her homemade creamy chicken and rice. It was also great to mix in her meds, so she stayed comfortable til she passed naturally.♥ 1source record 714
I have been ready for him to go for just about a year now but he's always been stubborn and keeps holding on, despite now being disabled. I would choose euthanasia if I thought he wanted it but he's been so stable for a long time and actually even putting on weight because he's such an enthusiastic eater. He's just an handful to take care of and it's definitely been negatively affecting my sleep, work, and feels like is going to tear apart a relationship I started a couple months ago because I'm always so out of it. All I can say is this sucks. He's a 43lb sack of potatoes that will make it known by barking at any hour of the day that he needs something. I was worried about him getting old literally 10 years ago. My first (and so far, only) dog and he's the longest lived dog of his size any of his various vets have ever seen.♥ 13source record 1382
I feel you. I could have written this myself. Mine has outlived all expectations and he is my soul dog, but I am so, so tired.♥ 3source record 1384
My childhood dog had to put down when he was 13. I was at a point in my life where getting another dog kinda made sense? I was active, lived with my dad who was in his early 60s, he said he’d help. The new dog was just a handful right off the get go. She wanted like two walks a day and was a garbage bin goblin, couldn’t stop her from getting into everything and making a mess. Regardless we kept her and she’s now a senior dog at 13 and I’m really tired. She’s slowing down big time, Is absolutely terrified of storms, And is super duper clingy. She wants to go outside and go for walks but her joints start to hurt so she’ll either plop down in the grass and rest for like 10 minutes or just act really awkward until I talk her into walking back home♥ 9source record 1386
My dog's joints are going out too. Sometimes he can't make it up the stairs with his back legs and we have to carry him. But other times he's totally fine and it makes it really hard to know if we should put him down or not. We went on a short trip this summer and my dad watched my older dog. When we picked him up he was totally fine, happy to see us, acting normal. A little bit after we got home he kept collapsing, wasn't interested in food (which he's a food goblin normally) and I thought fuck, this is it. But then he was fine the next day. Think he just went too hard at my dad's lol.♥ 7source record 1387
I have a senior English bulldog with urinary incontinence, chronic bronchitis, and is now newly terrified of riding in vehicles because of all of her recent rides to the vet (she’ll puke and shit and gasp for air in my SUV every time now). It’s the biggest stress in my life right now, especially because we have a young family and go camping a lot, and now we have to find care for her every time we go. I’m about ready to call it a sunset with her but am scared to betray her by doing it too early.♥ 3source record 1388
It's so hard. I do the same thing, think about putting him down but then I guilt myself out of it thinking I just want to do it because I'm annoyed and exhausted with the situation. I know his legs hurt but he still runs around and acts normal most of the time, loves food, seems alert and mostly there in the brain. It's really hard to know when it's okay to let go.♥ 3source record 1389
i feel your struggle. my boy is 15 now and love him to bits but started to see some changes with him recently that shows me hes getting older. he doesnt like to go on evening walks so will have accidents if i dont take him out during daylight. i have to soften his food with wet food or he has a hard time eating. he also has allergies now so he sneezes alot when he gets excited. i think his vison and hearing might be impared since he has cataracts and i have to call for him multiple times before he comes.hes an old boy but i cant imagine life without him.♥ 3source record 1394
As long as you're giving her the love she deserves, don't feel bad for feeling exhausted. Caring for an elderly dog is exhausting - if people haven't done it, they can't possibly understand that commitment that goes into it. You have no reason to feel guilty.♥ 3source record 1396
Oh same. Our old lady dog died when my daughter was 2. She went downhill fast not long after her birth and by the end she was disabled on wheels. She was big too, a 40kg GSD mix and we live on the 6th floor. It was so hard. I was recently dumb enough to get another dog (daughter is now 5) but I got a smaller one this time to make it physically easier.♥ 3source record 1397
Our vet referred to her as an apartment newf. Lol That aside, they really break your heart. It always seems like they go once someone else goes first. For our newf, it was her cat that she waited out. [link removed] That really helped our newf in her last few months. She basically lived in it, and we were able to safely get her about♥ 3source record 1398
Caretaker burnout is NOT just for human caretakers. Take time for yourself. In vet med the quality of life of the caretakers also is considered when discussing end of life care options. Be honest with your team. I am sending you so much love.♥ 4source record 1406
You shouldn't feel guilty but I know what you mean. Part of you knows youll be happier without this constant, expensive, stressful burden, and thats ok to allow yourself the relief. It doesn't mean you don't love your pup or that you won't miss them all the same.♥ 3source record 1407
I wish this thread was around when I was dealing with my 14 year olds end of life care. Everything was so exhausting with no straight answers, but plenty of friends and family (who werent responsible for her day to day care whatsoever) had soooo many judgmental opinions anytime my vet and I discussed rainbow bridge options. I loved my 14 years with her and will cherish them for the rest of my life, but the relief I felt once she passed is something I hold only to myself because people who have never been through it like us will never understand.♥ 2source record 1420
Yes to this, my 13 year old Yorkie Chihuahua mix and within the past year he's developed and collapsed trachea so he sounds like he has a hacking cough, has terrible breath but loves to lick, and is super needy. Love him so much but it's a lot and he also has a mild heart murmur so surgery is sketchy if they put him under. I have a 10 year old dachshund mix that is a bit easier but every so often gets poop stick on his butt which is soo fun to clean off plus any furniture he sat on. My cats are so much easier.♥ 2source record 1421
Yessss - within the last couple of years, I’ve had 3/4 of my elderly pets pass away (2 cats and 1 dog). Dog was 14, lab mix, and had epilepsy, kidney disease, hypothyroidism, just a whole host of issues. Eventually had to be put down when the kidney disease progressed to stage 4 and medication/prescription food didn’t help anymore. Great dog though. My cats passed at 15 and 17 - 15-year-old got stomach cancer and dropped weight rapidly but before then had a horrible urinary problems that vet visits could never fix. I changed litter boxes, locations, food, everything and that little fucker still ruined couches, drywall from marking them, etc. My 17-year-old cat passed away due to cancer as well and required prescription food and had tons of problems related to pooping - she refused the box so I had to eventually replace the carpet in my bedroom and closet and put puppy pads down all of the time. And her poop was this horrible diarrhea, ugh. My final cat is 14 and has chronic kidney disease and is on prescription food and is otherwise doing fine. Some tummy troubles here that lead to vomiting or constipation but changing his food to Royal Canin has helped. Just so expensive. Definitely the worst and most expensive stage 🫩 after this kitty passes, no more pets. I’ve got a 3.5 year old and looking to have another kid soon, I don’t have it in me, sorry kids lol♥ 2source record 1422
I've only ever had big dogs, and maybe that's shielded me from this. They don't last as long, and tend to go quicker. I've never had a dog make it past 13.♥ 1source record 1454
Same! Ours are 13 and 14 and it’s exhausting how many meds and special needs they have. I love them so much but man, never again.♥ 1source record 1457
My dog was “so old” for way too many years. Caring for a senior dog is a lot. Especially when they decide to end their walk early and they are too big to carry. Not to mention the vet bills $$$. Towards the end, we were at the vet every other month for some new infection, skin, paw, ear, teeth, butt… it was insane. The last one ended up being cancer which was heartbreaking but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t kind of relieved when it was all over.♥ 1source record 1466
When they get too old to make it to the yard to do their business, you will buy diapers. Roughly $1,000 to $1,500 a year. When i was a kid, we'd put them down. Now we act as a hospice.♥ 2source record 2086
My adult kids just got their own place but couldn't bring their ancient chihuahua, so here I am putting a five pound dog in diapers three times a day to keep him from pissing all over the hardwood floors. Dogs are a delight.♥ 1source record 2712
I love dogs, but...yeah. it's a lot. A LOT. For me the hardest part is watching my boy get old, there's the day to day struggle with health and behavior changes coupled with the terrible knowing that no matter what you do, there comes a point where you have to put them down. I legitimately have some level of care taker fatigue just from having to wake up throughout the night to take him outside.♥ 1source record 2741
Oh sometimes I don't feel like to do stuff for them, but I still do. It is not fun once they get old. I cannot run or hike. They pee inside the house now. They are picky eaters and get allergies and one has autoimmune disorder. She hates me because I have to give her pill every day. I stroll them around the neighborhood and take them to doggie parks. At least they are happy to go for road trips. It is frustrating, but eventually I would miss them.♥ 1source record 2742
And you haven't even addressed the dog's last days.♥ 1source record 2821
Eh, I hear you. I love my girl but dogs are a LOT of work as puppies and now again that she is getting old and starting to have health issues. I'm going to need a good long break after her before I'm willing to consider another one.♥ 1source record 2840
Wait til your dog gets old..... Insanely expensive medication, special diet, constant visits to the vet that are not free, If you don't have enough money you'll see your pet suffer and there's nothing you can do except worrying about your survival and It living more Fun♥ 1source record 2930
And you haven't even got to what happens when dogs get old ...just like the indignities suffered by senior people..♥ 1source record 3045
We got our dog 12 years ago. Perfect rescue. It was already house broken, super playful, loved going on walks… Fast forward 10 years: the dog had more tumors than organs, its skin started to thin and it would bleed everywhere, she became blind and deaf, and started pissing and shitting everywhere. The end of life part of dog ownership is the worst - we put her to sleep recently, and it was such a hard decision to make because we thought it would happen naturally in her sleep, but she kept hanging on…♥ 1source record 3178
THis is nothing. Wait til it get's old and you are spending $300 a week on prescription food and pills and carrying it up and down every time it needs to go to the bathroom. I had to build a ramp... for my dog. Last several months of it's life cost us 10k. And my wife was completely wrecked. We couldn;t have kids and we had ours from 8 weeks old to 15. It's basically like having a 3 yr old for 12-15 yrs and then watching it get sick and die.♥ 1source record 3462
We have a 9 year old Great Pyrenees and ..... elderly dogs have elderly needs. Bad hips, squeeky joints, food issues, pooping issues, skin issues - He sheds more, needs his nails clipped more and he whines EVERYTIME! Even though its never changed - we gotta trim the freaking nails --- yeah. We love him. We adore him. I proclaimed "NO MORE PETS" after the last time I cleaned up his giant vomit mess....♥ 1source record 3814
It sucks more when they are nearly 14 with advanced arthritis and their kidneys are starting to fail. I've loved having a dog. The puppy year was tough but the absolute arse end of their life has been thoroughly miserable watching one of the things you love most in the world decline. I'm not sure I could put myself through this again in a hurry but a dog is for life and I've looked after from 8 weeks old and I'll look after her until the end.♥ 1source record 3819
It’s so hard when they get old. It’s super sad but they end up shitting in the house all the time. Mine would step on it and track it everywhere. One time my robot vacuum had a field day with it 😭. Shit hit the fan… literally. It was AWFUL and so sad♥ 1source record 3870
Oh boy. Just wait! My beagle is 17 years old… he can’t have normal treatments that other dogs do because he’s so damn old normal treatments might actually kill him. He bleeds all the time. For no reason. Vomits if he drinks water wrong. Is blind and runs into things and knocks them down. Can’t always make it to the back yard and will shit on carpets, couches, beds, etc. (this isn’t often but it’s enough to be annoying) Barks at nothing. Often. Sometimes he stops breathing a little too long and I go through every stage of grief right before he breathes again. But he’s doing so well otherwise that there’s no need to put him down. And the vet agrees. So not only is it a responsibility on your schedule and household. It’s also an emotional responsibility. And about 20k in vet bills! To me, he’s worth every penny. But I’m also not the one paying it (got him when I was 6 and I’m 23 now. My mom insists on paying still since that’s her baby too) so. Uh. GOODLUCK!♥ 1source record 3890
Oh and op. This has been going on since he was 12… so. It’s not just a recent thing. This could happen to you and your family for multiple years in a row….. GOODLUCK!♥ 1source record 3891
I stumbled across my dog when I was 22 and have had him for 13 years now. He’s a little 15lb guy. He’s been such a wonderful addition to my life, but he’s definitely been a lot more “inconvenient” (I feel bad using that word) as he’s gotten older. I used to take him on runs with me, backpacking with me, and really everywhere. Then a few years into his life, I got into a long term relationship and always had help. As of the past 2 years I’ve been single again, and given his age, he can’t exercise like he used to. So, even just a long day hike means I need to figure out his care, and gone are the days of taking off on overnight backpacking trips on a whim. It’s expensive AF to get a dog sitter. He’s more of a time commitment since I have to walk him separately rather than just taking him on my runs with me as well. He’s starting to lose his hearing and he recently had to have surgery for a lump removal. I love him with all of my heart and I wouldn’t trade him, and I’ll be devastated when he’s gone. But, it’s going to be a VERY long time before I get another dog. I’m switching to cats next. Dogs are just too much while single, working full time, and trying to enjoy friends and hobbies on my days off.♥ 1source record 4028
The hardest part is watching them grow old♥ 1source record 4074
Most dogs are geriatric by the age of 7.. some by 6 years. It's like having a baby again. No thanks! Never again.♥ 1source record 4078
Old dog is hardest phase, and your signing up for it when you get them. Some maybe 5-8 yrs, but some small breed go for 15-20. Dog is a serious commitment, dont think a lot of people realize that. Every old dog or cat i have seen through the end also gets me for a few grand at vet cause I love them and try everything, but its a reality pet owners need to come to terms with.♥ 1source record 4267
Just wait till your dog is a Senior. I have my first ever senior dog she's 12 and she went from my shadow to LET ME LIVE INSIDE YOU MOTHER. Anxiety meds have been a life saver but dear God it's like all her bad qualities got turned to max. She occasionally forgets she's letting us know she needs to go outside, and by that she comes to us and starts pooping next to us...ahhhh lol We also have a 10 year old and she's been fine outside of just broke A molar on a bone we were gifted (banned from the house now ) and that was a fun 3k lesson. Then we got our 2 year old who will be our last and is rescued from an apartment inbreeding situation. SiL fostered pregnant mom and we helped and ended up having a great connection with one of the puppies who would escape to sleep on our shepherds and hang out with us. She's 25lbs and a great size compared to my 85lb and 100lb shepherds. Thought I'd always love big dogs but she changed my mind. She had this fucked up tiny jaw from being likely a mini poodle/shitzhu/pit mix and is a princess tbh. We tried to get her a friend more her sized from the same rescue. New friend was rescued from a dog hoarding situation but she had seizures/blind in left eye/survived parvo/giardia/lepto like this poor fucking dog just needed to be loved and properly cared for and were DINKers who love pets so we're like we will do absolutely everything we can. I'm so fucking tired and defeated now. We struggled and our vet was very incapable of picking up the fucking phone to adjust her meds with her weight, and she started biting at us because she was just so messed up and stressed because they also mixed up giving us liquid vs uncrushable pill...so trying to get her to take it was like going twice daily into a ring with an angry toddler that bites. She was also the sweetest creature and loved everyone and everything.. The rescue took her back after she had a grand mal and during her post tictal wiped my ass out and hurt me. They have a foster and everything and I just cry man. I have deeply angry thoughts to anyone who is a backyard breeder/dog hoarder. We miss her it fucking sucks so bad but we can't do it anymore I'm covered in bruises, scratches and cuts. I just set up a monthly donation to the rescue instead and they're taking my niece in for volunteer work next year too. The experience destroyed our want to ever get more pets. Thankfully our 2 y/o is everyone friendly so we can take her places and she also loves it.♥ 1source record 4449
My dog passed in January, he was 16 and a beagle/lab/collie mix. His final months definitely took more effort as he needed more care and attention, and I’d do it all over again because he was worth every second of it. He brought so much joy and happiness to us and we wanted him to feel relaxed and comfortable as he aged.♥ 1source record 4466
The hardest part is when they get old, I’m not going to go into details cause it’s too upsetting. But just, pray for my dog y’all, I want him to have another year or two of good life. It sucks, and it’s not fair how little time we get.♥ 1source record 4524
How old is this dog? Somethings dogs make a trail because they have hip issues and it is painful for them to squat in one place. I guarantee if you raised this dog from a puppy you would do everything for it. But yeah, inheriting someone else's dog is really a tough situation. This made me very sad as my dog that had cancer and hip issues despite taking multi-mile hikes up and down mountains until 13 suddenly passed at 14. Get a different pair of boots for outside in your lawn then. Just hose them off when you're done. Poop isn't that big of a deal besides the smell. Try to see the benefits, not the downsides.♥ 1source record 4547
yea it was fine for awhile but our Chihuahua terrier mix is about 18 now and just keeps living forever. she is deaf and barks and screams constantly either randomly or when wife eats for food. she will usually wake up like a clock at 6am for food now. all she does is eat and stand around confused all day now and obnoxiously loudly bark. she's been a good dog and I care about her but damn I'm counting the days. wife gets pissed when I say it. I'm getting divorced soon and will probably never get another pet again. well maybe when I'm 80 and lonely I don't know.♥ 1source record 4579
My old dog died last week. She was somewhere between 15 and 17, with failing hind legs and incontinence. I rarely slept through the night over the past few years, because she needed to go out (or else she'd pee all over the floor). I spent an hour or two each day walking her. Her food and vet care were inordinately expensive. My building charges $50 per month pet rent. She was stubborn and cranky. The amount of "extra" time I've had this past week is insane. And I cannot explain how much I want her back. All the trouble is worth it.♥ 1source record 4583
And then there’s all the problems that comes from when your once puppy is not a geriatric dog with incontinence, sporadic bouts of explosive diarrhea from her IBS and then cancer. Not to mention the grief and emotional turmoil of having to put one down. RIP my GSD of 14 years but those last 3 were hell and she was definitely my last dog.♥ 1source record 4624
Adding to the pile of additional dog-owner ills: Watching my dog age rapidly (10 years old now) and the resulting health issues like arthritis have really been giving me a lot of stress. I know the clock is ticking on our time together and its breaking my heart. It does give me resolve to make each day with her as fulfilling as possible, but I know when the time comes things are going to be really hard.♥ 1source record 4758
My dog is nearly 16 years old and I will Not be getting another dog when he passes. It is so hard to plan vacations, or even stay late at work. He’s at the point where any series medical problems with not be treated beyond a pain medication. I think he probably has two ish years left in him but for the last 6 years or so I have been dealing with a major accident problem. He cannot hold his pee for more than three hours at a time. He gets up at night like three or four times, and now just randomly pees on the floor. I have puppy pads that he uses like 70% of the time, but it has been hell. No one talks about what it’s like to have a geriatric dog.♥ 1source record 4814
I inherited a 14 year old dog when my father passed away, two years ago. Never wanted to own a dog, but also didn't have the heart to put the old fellow in a shelter. Dog was already deaf to start with, now fast forward two years and it is almost blind as well, and has a very hard time walking. It shits freely in and out of the house, which now smells like a public toilet in a third world country. Sometimes it falls into its own piss and shit, then being unable to stand up, mops it around smearing all over the terrace, until we clean him up. It would need constant supervision but this is not something we can do. But the worst part is that it has zero emotional connection with anyone in the family. My wife is the most dedicated one and tries to pet him daily, but dog refuses any human kindness. Doesn't even accept treats from the hand, I have to leave it on the ground and 5 minutes later he will eat it up. Dog was a stray for many years then became a shelter dog, until the age of 10 when my father took it home. I think the dog just gave up on humanity as a whole. So I get to clean up the mess, pay the vet visits and medications, food etc. In turn we got a grumpy old roommate who barely tolerates us. Not the best deal, if you ask me. I don't think I will want a dog in the future.♥ 1source record 5333

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Dementia in an old dog16 index entriesA condition several of these owners say they had never heard of until their own dog had it.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Dementia in an old dog

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Dementia in an old dog

16 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: An old dog that stops recognising the house, and then you

Why readers chose it: 16 records about a diagnosis several of these owners say they had never heard of. The progression they describe is consistent: mild confusion, then pacing and hiding, then fear after dark, then not recognising the owner — one dog bit its owner's face after forgetting who she was. Two commenters report that their own vet did not identify it and that a neighbour whose dog had it did. The only management named is sedation: trazodone and gabapentin in the early evening, which one owner says is the only thing that holds it. The card ends where the euthanasia card begins, and in one case in a country where the commenter says euthanasia was not offered at all.

What readers reported: It’s very exhausting! My dog got dementia the last year and a half of her life. It was really difficult dealing with her being so paranoid, and stressed out all the time from it. It’s a lot!

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I had a german shepherd once. He lived 11 years. Loved him to bits but his last two years of life were a nightmare. He not only got dementia, but would also develop fistulas on his bum, which would make him shit all over the house. Liquid shit, mind you. And then, while I was trying to clean it, he would forget who I was and turn on me out of the blue. Again, loved him to bits and my heart was broken when he died. Cried for days. If I can be honest… some of that crying was relief.

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It’s very exhausting! My dog got dementia the last year and a half of her life. It was really difficult dealing with her being so paranoid, and stressed out all the time from it. It’s a lot!

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Ah, man. That’s a bummer. You definitely did the right thing! Not that you need me to tell you that.. After watching one of my grandparents suffer with dementia, I fully believe in euthanasia for it. It’s a horrible disease.

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I will never own another dog after watching mine get dementia and die slowly and confused because I live in a country where euthanasia is not an option (or so I was told by two vets). She was only allowed to stop living after her lungs filled with liquid.

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It’s very exhausting! My dog got dementia the last year and a half of her life. It was really difficult dealing with her being so paranoid, and stressed out all the time from it. It’s a lot!♥ 71source record 233
That’s so hard! One of mine got dementia too and within a week, forgot who I was, was terrified of me, and bit my face. Had no idea dogs could get that. Ugh.♥ 32source record 234
It’s awful! For all involved.♥ 13source record 235
I'm starting to think mine is getting doggy dementia too. It's ruff!♥ 19source record 237
Does dementia in dogs give them anxiety? I think my bf’s dog has it bc his behavior has started changing in the last few months but he’s only 9. He stresses me out so badly now and hates walking♥ 3source record 238
Well, it can. My dog started looking scared for no reason, after having dementia for a while. She started hiding her head under chairs, and squeezing in a space between the washing machine and wall to hide. She looked “spooked”, and we would have to reassure her. I know with people with dementia, they get paranoid, and can see things at the end stages, so I figured my dog was too. She also would “wonder off”, which she never did when in her right mind. People with dementia do that too. My dad is suffering with it now.♥ 4source record 239
Hmm I need to look into it more. If we leave the house for even 5 min to get a coffee, the dog will get anxious and pee. And he’s snappy now. Was never like this. A change happened and idk what but it’s made me not want to move in anymore and we planned to do it when my lease is up♥ 6source record 240
That’s how it starts. A change in demeanor in an older dog.♥ 7source record 241
I had a german shepherd once. He lived 11 years. Loved him to bits but his last two years of life were a nightmare. He not only got dementia, but would also develop fistulas on his bum, which would make him shit all over the house. Liquid shit, mind you. And then, while I was trying to clean it, he would forget who I was and turn on me out of the blue. Again, loved him to bits and my heart was broken when he died. Cried for days. If I can be honest… some of that crying was relief.♥ 3source record 1395
Well, it started out so mild and slow, and progressed. At first, she just seemed slightly confused, so we rolled with it. By the time she started getting really paranoid and scared, she was getting unable to walk, and we did take her in to be put to sleep.♥ 6source record 1402
Ah, man. That’s a bummer. You definitely did the right thing! Not that you need me to tell you that.. After watching one of my grandparents suffer with dementia, I fully believe in euthanasia for it. It’s a horrible disease.♥ 3source record 1403
Yeah, by no means am I judging anyone who chooses to go through with it but shit, I think i'd be seriously considering euthanasia if my girl got that - i'm strongly of the opinion that even humans should be able to make that choice for themselves once they know they're developing it, I'd want that for me, dementia is absolutely fucking horrifying.♥ 3source record 1404
We have an 18-year-old chihuahua/bichon mix, and the last five years have been nothing short of hellish due to her dementia and incontinence. She’s also deaf and blind. #tired♥ 5source record 2108
Yup! We have a 14 year old, epileptic cocker spaniel with doggy dementia who has to wear a sling because he no longer gets up to go out and just pees himself while laying around. Let me start this with saying, I love the dude with all of my heart and I cry daily while sitting with him knowing that our time together is very limited but I will never get another fucking pet again. At least not for a very long, long, long, long, LONG time. We also have an 8 year old lab so we will still have a dog for (I assume) years to come once old man passes but I do not want another pet ever again, at the current moment. The 8 year old has recently started peeing in the house (I assume marking over his accidents but idk) so I’m not only cleaning up 4+ piles of poop every single morning but also a lake of piss from a 90 lb dog, as well. And changing 10+ slings (diapers) a day, cleaning his fur with baby wipes every time and chasing him around trying to get the next sling on. And yes, they both go out multiple times before bed time. Old man had 9 freaking seizures (that I know of) yesterday. NINE. From 6:40 a.m. until 9:30 p.m. He had diarrhea in the middle of one of the seizures yesterday and rolled around in it before I could clean it up so I spent the bulk of my afternoon trying to clean diarrhea from his fur in between seizures. But he’s back to prancing around the house and trying to steal human food from us today so we can’t justify euthanasia bc he’s happy as a clam again. All of this while my husband is working out of town and my daughter is too young to help but old enough to want to help which just adds another layer of stress to the picture. I am so done with pets. Solidarity, friend!♥ 1source record 2423
I will never own another dog after watching mine get dementia and die slowly and confused because I live in a country where euthanasia is not an option (or so I was told by two vets). She was only allowed to stop living after her lungs filled with liquid.♥ 1source record 3680
The dog dementia problem with senior dogs is tough. My vet did not know what was going on when it started. Thankfully a neighbour whose dog had the same issue correctly diagnosed it, and the vet confirmed. The only way it's manageable is drugs. In the early evening she gets Trazodone and Gabapentin. It calms her down and sedates her. Without these meds, the sun goes down and she becomes extremely frightened, paranoid and restless. She lays on the floor and trembles, legs shaking so hard they rattle. She'd be up all night pacing and panting. With the drugs, she sleeps through the evening and the night, and is her old self in the morning. Pro tip: these are both "people" drugs. Depending on where you live in the world, you may be able to get your vet to send the prescription to your human pharmacy, where you can pick them up for 1/10th of the cost the vet would charge.♥ 1source record 3918

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Deciding to let them go, and what came after66 index entriesGrief, and the relief a number of these commenters admit to feeling alongside it.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Deciding to let them go, and what came after

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Deciding to let them go, and what came after

66 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: The last decision, and the months on the other side of it

Why readers chose it: 66 records about the ending. The grief is described without much qualification — a decade on and still crying, forgetting on waking that the dog is gone — but what makes the card unusual is how many commenters volunteer relief in the same breath, and how many replies exist only to tell them that is allowed. The mechanics appear too: a vet coming to the house, a decision made at four years old or at seventeen, a vet pushing for chemotherapy that the owner declined. The single most repeated sentiment in the whole corpus sits here — that the shortness of a dog's life is the actual worst part of owning one, and that everything else on this page is negotiable by comparison.

What readers reported: This. Mine made it 12 years, she had a good life and we loved her. Sometimes when I sleep I forget she's gone and my very first thought when I wake up in the morning is still her - that I have to get up and takr care of her, that she is counting on me - and then reality comes back in and I remember she's gone (and that she has been gone for years now). The grief never goes away. I still feel sad every time this happens. I miss her. Her sweetness and loyalty, her love. Her whole world centered on me. I do not think anything in this world has ever loved me in the way my dog loved me. It was beautiful gift that I'm not sure any person is even worthy of. She was in so many ways a beautiful gift. But I also feel relieved. Because I don't want to wake up and have my very first task of the day be to take a dog on a walk. Because her love was pure but it was also relentless in that she had to be with me every moment she possibly could and it is exhausting to be the sole most adored focal point of anything. And because all of it was a lot of work. And because watching her slow decline in her senior years was painful and horrible. I'll never get another dog but I'm so glad I went on the first go around with her. I wouldn't trade it for anything and if by some magic I could get her back there's probably very little I wouldn't do to accomplish that.

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Years of joy at the price of one of the worst days of your life.

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One of? Bro, it's been a decade and I still cry about my previous dogs occassionally. This current little shit head is going to wreck me emotionally when she dies.

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You didn't even mention the worst part - They die and smash our hearts into pieces 💔

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I know, I had to do the same with my baby of 12 yrs. It’s devastating. You never really get over it. I believe I’ll see her again tho 🩷

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The worst part about owning a dog is no longer owning a dog.

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One of the hardest choices to make. I had to make that choice back in the spring and as much as I miss my sweet girl, it was definitely time to say goodbye. I was her full time caregiver for four months as she steadily decline and it was one of the most difficult experiences I’ve ever gone through. I should have ended her suffering sooner but the vet kept telling me that she could possibly continue to live if I did everything they recommended. What I was advised too late was that I should have listened to my own instinct to let her go. All that needless suffering for the both of us, but for her especially.♥ 5source record 26
You didn't even mention the worst part - They die and smash our hearts into pieces 💔♥ 75source record 399
Years of joy at the price of one of the worst days of your life.♥ 29source record 400
One of? Bro, it's been a decade and I still cry about my previous dogs occassionally. This current little shit head is going to wreck me emotionally when she dies.♥ 10source record 401
This part is truly horrible, but in my mind the only bad part. Life is much better with a dog in your home 💕♥ 3source record 402
Ty for saying that. I second guess myself all the time. It was literally the hardest thing I had to do.♥ 1source record 736
I know, I had to do the same with my baby of 12 yrs. It’s devastating. You never really get over it. I believe I’ll see her again tho 🩷♥ 2source record 737
Nah, man. The hardest part is that *last* part. You know the one.♥ 2source record 1039
Glad someone else called out the bs. Everything else can be managed.♥ 2source record 1040
Yeah, definitely not the “hardest part of dog ownership” lol. I don’t know, maybe the hardest part is having to make the decision that the time has come to put them to sleep. That they are in too much pain and though you love them more than almost anything, you have to let them go. Maybe that is the hardest part, not what you said♥ 2source record 1074
That was the easiest decision I’ve ever made. Sad, but easy.♥ 1source record 1076
no the worst part is saying goodbye♥ 1source record 1136
Or you can do everything right, and still end up with a high dependency dog that has seizures. And you have to watch him wither away because no one else in your family wants to discuss end of life. So his last day is suffering for hours until the vet can euthanize him. The same vet that essentially killed him by changing his medication cold turkey, which I discovered with about 2 hours of looking into the medications to discover we were supposed to reduce his medication slowly before stopping it.♥ 1source record 1137
That’s the second hardest part. The hardest part is that they don’t live nearly long enough.♥ 1source record 1155
The hardest part of dog ownership, is their short lifespan.♥ 1source record 1159
You dont have to wait until he goes on his own. When the bad days start to outweigh the good, when hes starting to eat less, more bathroom accidents, moving around less comfortably, its time. Its completely humane and okay to put any living thing out of their misery when their days are filled with agony and you can see it in their face.♥ 7source record 1383
This is it. The last two years of my old girls life was not easy, she started having health issues and it just became so much to deal with. When the rainbow bridge finally appeared, it was literally the single worst day of my life. It'll be six years tomorrow. We got a new dog about a year after our old girl crossed the rainbow bridge, and I love her to death... But I'm still not over the first one. Six years later, and a certain song or memory will have me bawling. She was my best friend for 15 years. I got her when I was 20. I still miss her every day and would give anything to have her back by my side.♥ 2source record 1423
This. Mine made it 12 years, she had a good life and we loved her. Sometimes when I sleep I forget she's gone and my very first thought when I wake up in the morning is still her - that I have to get up and takr care of her, that she is counting on me - and then reality comes back in and I remember she's gone (and that she has been gone for years now). The grief never goes away. I still feel sad every time this happens. I miss her. Her sweetness and loyalty, her love. Her whole world centered on me. I do not think anything in this world has ever loved me in the way my dog loved me. It was beautiful gift that I'm not sure any person is even worthy of. She was in so many ways a beautiful gift. But I also feel relieved. Because I don't want to wake up and have my very first task of the day be to take a dog on a walk. Because her love was pure but it was also relentless in that she had to be with me every moment she possibly could and it is exhausting to be the sole most adored focal point of anything. And because all of it was a lot of work. And because watching her slow decline in her senior years was painful and horrible. I'll never get another dog but I'm so glad I went on the first go around with her. I wouldn't trade it for anything and if by some magic I could get her back there's probably very little I wouldn't do to accomplish that.♥ 2source record 1442
I feel this! It’s a lovely, beautiful experience, but it’s a huge commitment and lifestyle! They are part of the family , and it will never be the same when they are gone. But, like you, I did feel relief from the responsibilities overall.♥ 3source record 1443
Yes! And its weird because I have 3 cats now. And my oldest cat died in February at the age of **nineteen years**. The grief blew a hole in my life so big you can't see the bottom of it or even the other side. His aging was also terrible at the end because he made it to such an incredible age so not only was it hard emotionally he required an insane amount of care. I adopted him before marrying my partner, before I adopted my dog too. My best friend, my companion literally my entire adult life up until this year. To say I miss him wouldn't even begin to cover it. But I had no problem getting two new cats this year. The work and responsibility involved is just different, I guess. Easier for me in a way. But I wouldn't tell someone considering getting a pet that cats are easy, either.♥ 2source record 1444
Had to put my golden boy down last month. Enjoy him while you have him :(♥ 3source record 1484
That's the other thing that must suck about owning a dog - how short their lives are. To get that emotionally attached to a dog, knowing that he'll die relatively soon, and almost certainly before you die, must be heart wrenching.♥ 1source record 1731
Damn, that's heartbreaking. I'm glad you were able to give a good life for a dog who wouldn't have been adopted/rescued by most people. The first dog I seriously bonded with died as a puppy suddenly, left me devastated but the subsequent dogs we raised did help fill that void and I grew enough to not have to agonise over all the dogs that had passed on under our care. If it offers you any solace, about another dog... It doesn't have to be the same level of intense love, love isn't always the same kind or it develops in different ways. Maybe you're the perfect person for this one puppy at a shelter, odds are that it'll be a different experience but who's to say that the love won't be good enough?♥ 3source record 1762
This is a super real feeling, thank you for sharing and thank you for caring for that dog when no one else would. Having that sort of connection to another living thing is beautiful and when they leave us, it leaves a hole that can't be filled. It is totally normal for you to feel like you could never love another dog the way that you loved that dog; because you can't. That is not to say that you can't love another dog, only that that specific love that you and your dog shared is specific to you, him, and all the conditions that occurred during your lives together. You may have experienced the greatest dog of your life, but that doesn't mean that you can't be the greatest human of another dog's life. My advice, that you didn't ask for: Don't ever try to replace that dog. You can't, and it would not be fair to you or the new dog. So maybe don't actively go looking for a dog, but please honor your dogs memory by being the greatest human if/when another dog needs you.♥ 2source record 1776
> but it wouldn't be fair to the new dog to never have that kind of bond with it... I can relate to feeling like that, but you can build a special bond unique to a new dog even if it doesn't feel like it right now. Your last dog and what he developed into was a reflection of your heart and you're a reflection of his now that he's gone.♥ 2source record 1781
This is real. Not all dogs are your soul dog. Even if you grow to love your next dog unconditionally, you can't just replace that. That said, I loved having the dog I had after my soul dog died. It took several years before I was ready tho. It sounds like you were an amazing dog owner.♥ 2source record 1784
Ooof that hit too close to home. I just got a very bad diagnosis for my dog last week and am in a similar position. I was a heroin addict and got clean 10 years ago, my dog was there for the hardest parts of my life and all the good years afterward. Been my shadow and best friend for so long and now I have to think about closing the door on him. Just absolutely kills me.♥ 2source record 1785
Same. I’m dealing with very recent grief of my 14 year old boy and I can’t fathom going through this again♥ 2source record 1788
The worst part about owning a dog is having the bond with them shattered when it inevitably passes away.♥ 3source record 1948
I stopped owning pets because I can't handle the loss anymore after my last animal, my cat got cancer. I've also had dogs that I've had to put down because of old age, and another that had cancer as well. They are alot of responsibility for sure, and not just the fact that you have to care for them either.♥ 2source record 2206
Owning a dog sucks. I've never owned a dog. They all owned me. And yes, having them does suck, especially when they die, leaving another hole in your soul. Just lost another one. And this time, I am done. I can't take the heartache anymore. So yes, I do agree, owning a dog sucks.....♥ 2source record 2218
I have two dogs whom I love more than anyone else in my life. And I am married. However, I don’t think I will be getting another dog after the inevitable happens. I cry even thinking about that day, no way I can do this again. I don’t have children, and probably won’t. I literally do not know how people have actual human children. I’ve had to hospitalize my dog overnight this week for 4 full days and 3 nights and when I tell you it’s the most heartbroken I have ever been… I have never felt so much pain for him. Knowing he’s stressed and scared and feels like I abandoned him to this place that’s just torturing him. Ugh. Dogs are not for the faint of heart. We can’t vacation because they are so high needs and no one can watch them. These are my first experience with dogs as well, grew up with cats. I never thought it would be like this. Insane.♥ 1source record 2350
I will forever and always miss my boy who was taken from me far too soon, however there is no denying the freedom regained after having had him. If I had my choice I would rather be struggling with him still here. The damn silence and adjustment sucks.♥ 2source record 2553
People don’t understand having a dog is like having a child that never grows up yet they’ll get old and you watch them grow old and then they pass on while you’re still here. That part sucks the most.♥ 1source record 2618
Those feelings change when that dog starts getting grey around their muzzle. Once my dogs started passing away, the more I realized I'd deal with any frustration if it meant I got to feel the joy of them being by my side again. It hits different when you dont hear their yaps and only have pictures of them.♥ 1source record 2690
You say all of this now, but when they are gone they leave a big hole *because* of all the time you spend with them, caring for them, cleaning up after them, etc.♥ 1source record 2708
The worst thing about owning a pet is saying goodbye when they're suffering 😞♥ 2source record 2729
I’d gladly suffer it all again to have my boy back. Cause that’s the part you don’t know yet, the absolute fucking heartbreak that comes with saying good bye. He was a husky boxer mix. Hair, everywhere. He would talk back when I gave commands. He was such an asshole. God he was a dick. And I miss him so much I’d punch my mother to have one more day with him. He gave me 15 super inconvenient years. I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to own another dog. We are getting ready to say goodbye to our other old dog now and I’m not ready for her to leave either. Yea everything you said is true. I won’t argue. Super big hassle. But I’m also convinced they are literal angles sent here to help us along the way. And it’s crushing when they leave.♥ 1source record 2857
I love my dog, I have said when he passes I will never own another dog. When my childhood dog passed something in me changed. My current dog was already in the picture and again I love him dearly and my husband and I care for him, he is not mistreated, neglected, anything like that. I just now carry the emotional weight that I will lose him too and he has more health problems younger than she did so it's a lot emotionally to just live with. On top of all the extra responsibilities that come with dogs vs our cats. I love him, but he will be my last.♥ 1source record 2893
Agreed. Plus getting them put down sucks too. My last dog was a really lovable, good natured family pet. We all loved him, but on balance I'm very happy to not get another one.♥ 1source record 2952
And then they break your heart when they pass away… ugh♥ 1source record 2990
I had two dogs, one died of old age last month and the other died of cancer last week. So that sucks♥ 1source record 3058
I’ve had many dogs and pets. Some I didn’t even like. All this is valid for sure. The hardest part of dog ownership for me, however, is the goodbye.♥ 1source record 3267
I fucking treasured my dog. My husband and I have no kids yet and we gave this dog everything we could. I don’t regret having her for one second. She died at 4 years old of cancer. The loss was so immense that it felt equal to losing an immediate family member. The day after she died I remember feeling amazed by all the free time we had. Now I can’t imagine going back to the extremely time-consuming, expensive, and inconvenient life of dog ownership. We had no time, freedom, or flexibility. But the worst part by far is the loss. It was more devastating than I could have possibly imagined and it makes me fearful to ever have a pet again. That being said, I miss her every single day and would give anything to have her back. I regret nothing and wouldn’t change a thing. Having her was the most painful, joyful, devastating, fulfilling and incredible experience of my life.♥ 1source record 3388
My little dachshund of 11 years passed away a few months ago. I cried my eyes out. I don't want another dog because it's just too hurtful to see them go.♥ 1source record 3413
I’ve owned pets all my life. My last dog died 6/22/26 in a horribly sudden and traumatic way. She was only 10. Losing her made me realize I don’t want to own anymore pets. But. I sure loved all the dogs and cats I had over the years. Pets give so much love 🩷 But you’re right. They are a huge responsibility.♥ 1source record 3452
Just had to put our 15yo dog down. It was all of the sudden. Our 7yo is coping very well. Our 3yo keeps asking me when we get home where our dog is... And it fucking kills me. Our dog was nearly as old as the entire relationship I've had with my wife. I get what you are saying. But not owning a dog sucks more.♥ 1source record 3535
The worst part of having a dog is the final 2 weeks of its life where you will jave to endure severe anxiety, depression and very horrible mental breakdowns as you have to fight yourself to accept the fact that putting it to sleep is a much needed action over seeing it suffer in pain slowly. Fyi I initially dogs would just die in their sleep and go off peacefully, I was wrong, they would go through multiple seizures, lots of uncontrollable poops and very heavy and quick breathing♥ 1source record 3644
Then, you have to watch them die (usually by your own choice). Just put my little guy down after 16 years of life together. I cried more for that dog dying than I did for most people I knew who died.♥ 1source record 3769
The only thing that fucking sucks about owning a dog is that it dies before you do. Nothing else even comes close. I would step in literal dog shit every day with bare feet if that meant my dog got to live to 80 and I wouldn’t have to be the one to make the decision.♥ 1source record 3893
For the first time since the early 80’s, I don’t have a dog in my life. My elderly boy who had a pacemaker (thanks insurance)for his last 5 years, completely took over my life. At just shy of 17, I had to make the awful decision. In ‘23, younger pup got C. This October, will mark 3 years. I’d give anything to have them by my side, warts and all My life has changed. I stopped casually walking, I became that person who avoided all our old doggy friends. Whenever I see another dog like mine, Mini Schnauzers, I cry inside. I have cats, love them, but they don’t “go out into the world with me”. I liked myself more when I had dogs♥ 1source record 3961
The backyard poop issue is so real and the hardship of travel. It's a lot. Just put one of my best dogs to sleep today and I still have three more. I need a break after this. We all do.♥ 1source record 3991
They can be tough, but for me the hardest is when he’s sick or unwell. I am always terrified he is dying. It wrecks me. He should have another 5-10 years left and I’m always on edge. Love him so much. Also annoying that he loves my partner more than me, hahah, but that’s part of his unique charm and personality.♥ 1source record 4075
The only part that sucks IMO is the day you have to put them down😭♥ 1source record 4081
I love dogs, have owned 4 dogs in my life, and I’d never voluntarily get one myself…probably. Those around me just keep getting them and then much of the responsibility passes through to me. Honestly, I probably bring it on myself because I usually end up being either the favorite or close. To me, it’s everything you listed but also their lifespan. They live just long enough to become an integral part of your family before they get ripped away. Each time it’s like a part of your soul being torn away 💔♥ 1source record 4102
The hardest part of having a dog is having to say goodbye, even though you tried everything in your power.... Miss you Archie bud ❤️♥ 1source record 4191
I've had three dogs in my adult life. They require work and attention but I think that applies to anything you truly care about. Jobs, kids, etc. It's never all great. I don't mind the poop, having to walk and feed them, etc. It's the anxiety that gets me when they aren't well and ultimately when they pass. To me that will always be the hardest part of owning a dog.♥ 1source record 4283
My dog died about 6 months ago after running down some stairs and managing to fracture his spine and becoming paralysed. I've not felt so sad and so happy at the same time. We finally have our freedom back and I can leave food around the house without it being yoinked before i've had a chance to clean it but I do miss not having him take up half the sofa or lying at the end of the bed♥ 1source record 4320
The worst part about owning a dog is no longer owning a dog.♥ 1source record 4566
I'm sorry for your loss. My dog passed away last month too. He was 15, had cancer and dementia. I was going through major caregiver fatigue; thought I'd feel relieved once he passed away. Now I only wish I could have him back, still healthy. All the grief and trouble he caused me late in life was worth it because of the 15 years we spent together.♥ 1source record 4584
I think the worst part of owning a dog is knowing you'll outlive them, until one day you won't. My dog Jack died a couple years ago. He had really bad cancer and was in constant pain, so I had to have a vet come to my house and give him a lethal injection. It wrecked me for months. Now I have another dog, and every time I scratch his belly, I can't help but think about the day I'll have to let him go too. And one day, I'll own a dog who will have to let me go.♥ 1source record 4695
I loved growing up with dogs, I enjoyed being a kennel hand at a rescue centre but when I inherited my dad's dog ... wow. Just wow. I loved dad's dog, I did everything I could for him, but when old age caught up to him and it was time to say goodbye, the sense of relief was *huge*. I will never own another dog, I don't think I could even bring myself to dog sit for a loved one. I discovered I'm very much a cat person.♥ 1source record 4815
I mean you got some good ones. But here’s one you missed. They’ll steal your heart. They’ll annoy you but be your best friend. They’ll bark at nothing but cuddle up to you on your worst day. You’ll take care of them and they’ll take care of you. And their lives are too damn short. One day they’ll be gone and it will be the worst day of your life.♥ 1source record 4822
I grew up with dogs. One ran too hard after drinking and flipped its stomach and died. Another chewed bricks until presumably some bacteria entered its bloodied teeth and died. Another literally was so excited to see us that it ran under my mom's Durango while I was in it. It somehow crawled all the way to the creek without it's backlegs. Then there was one Tibetan Mastiff that was bribed into the back of someone's vehicle and was stolen, and the boy Tibetan got bit by a water moccasin and died. Is that a normal rate of dog death? Fuck no, I lived at a cursed house. I know what it's like to clean up after a dog and what it's like to lose one, and I will not wish that responsibility upon myself ever again. It's just a guaranteed commitment to sadness and loss, and along the way the guarantee that at some point it will shit inside the house and you do NOT want it cleaning up after itself.♥ 1source record 4846
Yeah, this is just baffling to me, I am out of town and I miss my current dog so much. My old one died of heart disease and it was a comfort knowing that she wasn’t in pain anymore…but it’s still sad when they die. She also died of a stroke (not a planned euthanasia) and I didn’t find out until a few days later.♥ 1source record 5159
it is very sad when they go, I struggle a lot with that♥ 1source record 5215

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Why readers chose it: 25 records where the problem sits upstream of the owner. The named examples are specific: corgis and dachshunds with spinal disease, including one corgi that lost the use of her back legs and her bladder control after weeks of crate rest and laser therapy; flat-faced breeds with breathing problems and, per one commenter, the highest vet bills of any breed; a liver shunt repaired in a small-breed puppy; a dog left incontinent after being spayed too young. The argument running through the card is about breeding practice rather than dogs — purebred versus well-bred, health testing, backyard breeders, kennel-club recognition, and whether doodles improve on either — but nobody in it disputes that some of this was designed in.

What readers reported: Plus corgis are prone to back issues. My husband got one in 2011 before we lived together and on at least two occasions she had to be crated for weeks and received laser therapy for her back. By the end, she could no longer use her back legs and couldn’t feel her bladder anymore. It was awful. I carried her outside for the bathroom and tried to hold her up, but she couldn’t control the bladder muscles to pee so she would end up just peeing where she laid in the house (fortunately she liked tile). Then she had to be cleaned up and the pee cleaned up. On top of it all that dog was rude and short tempered. She and I only got along for a couple of weeks after my heart dog died. Other than that she wanted nothing to do with me and really didn’t care for my husband either even though we are both dog people and did our best with her. She didn’t want to play, cuddle, walk, nothing. She was miserable all the time. Between her temperament and health issues I would never ever get another corgi or any long body dog.

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People confuse purebred and well-bred. AKC recognition isn’t a guarantee of anything, and most purebreds come from backyard breeders or puppy mills. A well-bred dog comes from an ethical breeder who prioritizes health and temperament above all. That means their breeding dogs have complete physical and genetic health testing and have been proven in working trials, sports, and/or conformation. They temperament test, match their puppies to the best homes, and provide a lifetime of support for all dogs they produce. Well-bred doodles, however, aren’t really a thing. I personally think it’s possible (some disagree) however I’ve only come across a handful of doodle breeders that I’d call ethical. 99% of them are BYBs focused on producing whatever coat colours sell for the most money. Temperament, heath, coat, size etc are all a grab bag due to the random mix of genetics.

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I agree that more doodles are backyard breeders. That said, there are breeders who do health tests and WALA/ALAA/etc are organizations that have some health requirements that provide some kind of baseline equivalent to what AKC provides for their breeds. Also, the overwhelming majority of folks trashing doodles on reddit are either buying purebreds from a backyard breeder or are rescued mutts. Rescuing dogs is fantastic, providing you can actually handle the wide range of behavioral issues that come with rescues. Unfortunately, the reality is far more complicated and for many the reason to rescue is just that it is low cost. These are the same folks who often get a dog with past trauma or poor temperament causing the same behaviors they are generalizing to doodles, except in a much more powerful dog. Edit: and again, the difference between Labradoodles (which have been around for decades) and random doodle mixes from a backyard breeder is very large. Labradoodles are somewhat consistent. First gen doodle mixes are extremely variant in characteristics/temperament

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People confuse purebred and well-bred. AKC recognition isn’t a guarantee of anything, and most purebreds come from backyard breeders or puppy mills. A well-bred dog comes from an ethical breeder who prioritizes health and temperament above all. That means their breeding dogs have complete physical and genetic health testing and have been proven in working trials, sports, and/or conformation. They temperament test, match their puppies to the best homes, and provide a lifetime of support for all dogs they produce. Well-bred doodles, however, aren’t really a thing. I personally think it’s possible (some disagree) however I’ve only come across a handful of doodle breeders that I’d call ethical. 99% of them are BYBs focused on producing whatever coat colours sell for the most money. Temperament, heath, coat, size etc are all a grab bag due to the random mix of genetics.

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of course its arbitrary. "breeding true” isnt some natural objective state. kennel clubs decide when a mix is “stable enough”, what traits count, what the breed is "supposed" to look like, etc. etc. that is an arbitrary human decision filled with bias. u can literally see it with how different kennel clubs recognize the exact same breeds at different times sometimes even decades apart. look at the cavalier king charles spaniel... it was considered a purebred in the UK 50 years before the AKC decided it was. so the same dog can be a "real breed" in one country and a designer mix in another depending entirely on when a kennel club votes to recognize it.

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This is false. My dog is a multigenerational Labradoodle with a documented lineage of breeding focused on health and temperament, the very definition of ethical breeding.

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You bought an overbred animal that naturally cannot survive for your own pleasure… and we’re nuts….♥ 3source record 522
Plus corgis are prone to back issues. My husband got one in 2011 before we lived together and on at least two occasions she had to be crated for weeks and received laser therapy for her back. By the end, she could no longer use her back legs and couldn’t feel her bladder anymore. It was awful. I carried her outside for the bathroom and tried to hold her up, but she couldn’t control the bladder muscles to pee so she would end up just peeing where she laid in the house (fortunately she liked tile). Then she had to be cleaned up and the pee cleaned up. On top of it all that dog was rude and short tempered. She and I only got along for a couple of weeks after my heart dog died. Other than that she wanted nothing to do with me and really didn’t care for my husband either even though we are both dog people and did our best with her. She didn’t want to play, cuddle, walk, nothing. She was miserable all the time. Between her temperament and health issues I would never ever get another corgi or any long body dog.♥ 1source record 806
Plenty of "respectable" breeds are extremely unhealthy and should have been ended long ago, treating AKC recognition as the judge of ethical standards is a flawed position. There's also a significant difference between a labradoodle (which has been around for many decades) and random + poodle first generation mutts that have wildly random characteristics and temperament. I fully expect people to downvote and post some uninformed BS in response to this but the data shows labradoodles to have significantly better longevity and good temperament compared to many "true" AKC breeds. There are piss poor owners of many dogs, and the more popular dogs are more likely to be encountered in a bad situation because there are more of them.♥ 3source record 943
People confuse purebred and well-bred. AKC recognition isn’t a guarantee of anything, and most purebreds come from backyard breeders or puppy mills. A well-bred dog comes from an ethical breeder who prioritizes health and temperament above all. That means their breeding dogs have complete physical and genetic health testing and have been proven in working trials, sports, and/or conformation. They temperament test, match their puppies to the best homes, and provide a lifetime of support for all dogs they produce. Well-bred doodles, however, aren’t really a thing. I personally think it’s possible (some disagree) however I’ve only come across a handful of doodle breeders that I’d call ethical. 99% of them are BYBs focused on producing whatever coat colours sell for the most money. Temperament, heath, coat, size etc are all a grab bag due to the random mix of genetics.♥ 4source record 944
I agree that more doodles are backyard breeders. That said, there are breeders who do health tests and WALA/ALAA/etc are organizations that have some health requirements that provide some kind of baseline equivalent to what AKC provides for their breeds. Also, the overwhelming majority of folks trashing doodles on reddit are either buying purebreds from a backyard breeder or are rescued mutts. Rescuing dogs is fantastic, providing you can actually handle the wide range of behavioral issues that come with rescues. Unfortunately, the reality is far more complicated and for many the reason to rescue is just that it is low cost. These are the same folks who often get a dog with past trauma or poor temperament causing the same behaviors they are generalizing to doodles, except in a much more powerful dog. Edit: and again, the difference between Labradoodles (which have been around for decades) and random doodle mixes from a backyard breeder is very large. Labradoodles are somewhat consistent. First gen doodle mixes are extremely variant in characteristics/temperament♥ 3source record 945
Where did I say anything about AKC recognition? Fwiw, I agree that there are some breeds we should stop perpetuating, and others that would benefit from intentional outcrossing to widen their gene pool. The vast majority of doodles that I've met have been perfectly lovely dogs. I'm still against *purchasing* doodle puppies, primarily because they're inherently unpredictable. Early generation doodles aren't a guarantee - you might get the "labrador personality with poodle intelligence and coat" that they're generally marketed as. But you could also get more of the lab coat and the poodle tendency towards anxiety. It's totally luck, in those cases. And the *point* of buying a puppy rather than rescuing one, is to know what you're getting. As for later generations, since there's no central, independent registry, it's super easy for a breeder to lie about what kind of dog you're actually getting. I've seen "labradoodles" with merle coats, despite the fact that neither labradors or poodles have merle anywhere in their genome. Again, unpredictable. Frankly, if a bunch of _______doodle breeders decided to come together and establish their own breed registry, with an agreed-upon breed standard and independent bloodline tracking, I would be all for it. Plenty of other breeds have independent breed clubs, so there's precedent. But *until* they do that, I will continue encouraging people not to purchase doodle puppies.♥ 2source record 947
I just wish people would stop backyard breeding and then I wouldn’t want to adopt so many of them♥ 2source record 956
And, compared to pugs and Frenchies, who also don't need a lot of exercise, they are actually healthy!♥ 2source record 1204
Also awake apnea, and the highest vet bills of any breed. 😅♥ 3source record 1221
I’m an avid hiker but my two little Yorkies can’t manage a hike. One of them has a collapsed trachea and can’t do anything too strenuous. The other one is always pulling. Neither one of them are trail dogs. I’ve tried the backpack. They both hate it. I can’t walk them both unless my husband is walking one of them. That’s because one is slow while the other needs to go faster. I have a huge yard so they get exercise regardless. I’m the only one not getting enough exercise. 😭 Moral of the story? Get a dog that fits your lifestyle.♥ 2source record 1227
Growing up everyone’s dog just needed shots, a flea collar, etc. Nowadays everyone’s dog is on Prozac, allergic to grass or other things, and plagued with health issues early on. I am petless which upsets my girlfriend who wants a dog but definitely couldn’t take care of it.. she doesn’t understand how much freedom we have. Also childless which neither of us want so we are so free.♥ 1source record 3850
I want one but they only live for <10 years.☹️♥ 1source record 4422
My friends have a big fluffy dog and their vet recommended they get her spayed at a certain age which they did. Now the dog is incontinent because they got her spayed too young apparently. They have to be on constant alert in case the dog needs to be whisked outside.♥ 1source record 4847
It’s humanity’s fault a lot of dog breeds have the issues they do so it’s our responsibility to provide the care needed for them to live their best lives. Before I had a dog I had a very eugenicist idea that we should end the problematic dog breeds, which I still kind of have to an extent, but I have a more empathetic view where we need to provide for the ones who exist while promoting more ethical breeding with a focus on breeding for improving breed health.♥ 1source record 4971
even purebred dogs are designer dogs if u go back far enough... every single dog breed are human made mixes. purebred just means at some point the kennel clubs arbitrary decided to label them a distrinct breed.♥ 1source record 5003
A distinct breed is a lineage of animals that breed true for physical traits and temperament. It's very far from from an arbitrary designation or "decision".♥ 1source record 5004
of course its arbitrary. "breeding true” isnt some natural objective state. kennel clubs decide when a mix is “stable enough”, what traits count, what the breed is "supposed" to look like, etc. etc. that is an arbitrary human decision filled with bias. u can literally see it with how different kennel clubs recognize the exact same breeds at different times sometimes even decades apart. look at the cavalier king charles spaniel... it was considered a purebred in the UK 50 years before the AKC decided it was. so the same dog can be a "real breed" in one country and a designer mix in another depending entirely on when a kennel club votes to recognize it.♥ 1source record 5005
That's why IMO labradoodles and "doodle mixes" are often a poor group to batch together, as there are organizations like ALAA and WALA who have some baseline requirements to track the characteristics and health testing of the dogs. Nothing is perfect but it is far more consistent than picking up a random cavapoo, golden doodle, etc which are typically 1st or 2nd gen without any health testing. I mentioned in my other response but I am not some doodle evangelist, I more just take offense at the folks here generalizing poodle mixes as the source of evil while remaining completely ignorant that buying their horribly disfigured pure bred for 600 dollars from a guy in town or getting a 2 year old rescue and off leashing in the dog park a month later are every bit (or more) ethical crimes than having a dog that ends in -oodle before all other considerations. In general I dont agree with buying a dog that doesn't have some form of health testing/genetic history though, so I think we are on the same page there.♥ 1source record 5007
There is no such thing as an ethically bred "doodle," for starters. I'm glad yours is lovely! Many aren't.♥ 4source record 5009
That's the biggest reason the breeder that first bred doodles has said it was a mistake.♥ 2source record 5010
My reactive dog also extra hates doodles, even the guy that originally bred them regrets creating them [link]([link removed]♥ 1source record 5013
If you haven’t already, follow one of the Frenchbulldog subreddits, you’ll get a full view of all the good and bad. There are rare posts with more high energy Frenchies than I have. I would recommend sticking to the breed standard colors, the fancy coats are pretty but come with more skin and health problems.♥ 1source record 5041
Yes I didn’t know this! My vet recommended waiting after a few heat cycles, research shows it prevents a lot of issues long term, I’m not sure if this is the case for male dogs. Omg yes, when I have a boyfriend they are sooo much easier to manage because I can offload them when I too touched out so that’s a perfect situation hahaha The problem is I’m a dreadful gentle parent so I always give into them but once I grow balls and ignore them, they’re off having a good ol’ time. Frenchies I swear all have the same personality, that’s why I didn’t want to risk getting another breed but they get along so well!♥ 2source record 5052
Never get a “show dog bloodline” purebred. Always have one with a little mix. Purebreds will make you poor with all the issues they’ll have. Learned this from my mom’s dachshund. He’s fine now but there’s either paralysis, back surgery, or paralysis + back surgery in the future♥ 1source record 5244
This is false. My dog is a multigenerational Labradoodle with a documented lineage of breeding focused on health and temperament, the very definition of ethical breeding.♥ 0source record 5443

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The household, the housing and everyone else244 records · 5 sub-topicsThe dog is rarely one person's problem. It lands on a partner, a landlord, a toddler or a neighbour. 244 records.
Where you can live: apartments, yards and landlords29 index entriesPet rent, refused applications, lifts, and the running argument about whether a large dog belongs in a flat.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Where you can live: apartments, yards and landlords

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Where you can live: apartments, yards and landlords

29 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Housing a dog you already have, or finding a landlord who will take one

Why readers chose it: 29 records about housing. Renters describe pet rent, one paying $50 a month of it, and the difficulty of finding a let that will take an eighty-pound dog at all. Flat dwellers describe the lift, the leash and the stairs three or four times a day, and one describes complaints from neighbours as a live threat to their tenancy. The disagreement inside the card is about size: several say no dog over twenty pounds belongs in a flat, and are answered that great danes and Bernese mountain dogs make good flat dogs while medium-sized working breeds do not. The commenters on acreage mostly say they cannot relate to the thread at all, which is itself the finding.

What readers reported: I love my dog to PIECES. My boyfriend and I have had him since he was 8 weeks old, he's going be 6 in November. It has been so difficult, especially when he was a puppy. But, to me, the hardest part would be being a dog owner and a renter. I have an 80lb AmStaff. It is so hard to find a place to rent that checks all my boxes AND will accept my dog. That, and all the money it costs to take care of a dog. Everything is so expensive, right down to dog food. My boyfriend and I don't get any help and are living on our own in our mid-late 20s. It's definitely been a burden financially.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

What the replies added3

I feel like every apartment complex I've toured as a prospective renter (usually newer, same amenities, cookie cutter types) in the last decade have allowed dogs and is full of them. Never again. Surely there is a larger market for people like you and I? Aside from blind people and maybe a retired person with a little dog, having a dog in an apartment does indicate something about a person's judgement. I grew up with dogs and think of them as man's best friend and all, but there are too many in the city and it has made me like them less than ever.

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I almost ended my relationship with my partner because of his cat. I couldn’t stand the shedding, the yowling, the constant hacking, the litter box, the scratching whenever she would sit in my lap and get startled…. It really took me a long time to learn to live with her. But, funny story: it was his ex gf’s cat, she left it there after they broke up. Now we’re moving abroad and his ex wife has agreed to take her in. Lol it’s a crazy ex cat distribution system.

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My last relationship fell apart because she had an extremely anxious dog. It would bark it's head off if you stood up. It would jump all over you constantly. And I mean CONSTANTLY. Like no off switch at all. Towards the end of the relationship, the dog started tearing up her house when she was out with me so she started forcing us to hang out only at her house and never doing anything else. Those last few weeks were fucking brutal

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My gf has a male Doberman in a tiny 1 br apartment, and it's by far the hardest thing about out relationship. My cats, however, are a joy in comparison, and I can tell she agrees, though she'd never admit it.

source record 339♥ 170
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That is insane, I got a toy poodle cuz I live in an apartment. My friends have 2 60+ lbs dogs in a similar sized unit. I just don't mention it to them anymore.

posted about 4 days after the source♥ 1
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I have owned 15 dogs in the past 15 years. But when my girlfriend and I move to a smaller place we will not be getting a pet. I cannot imagine owning a dog with a small/no yard and being that responsible for their entertainment. We currently have 6 dogs on a large yard. So I can easily go half the day without seeing them.

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Browse the original comments29 preserved records · 29 of 29 source records accounted for
My gf has a male Doberman in a tiny 1 br apartment, and it's by far the hardest thing about out relationship. My cats, however, are a joy in comparison, and I can tell she agrees, though she'd never admit it.♥ 170source record 339
I will never do a dog in an apartment again. My god it was so much work. And I had small dogs.♥ 53source record 341
I grew up with a farm dog on an acreage, she lived outside except at night time when my dad would put her in the shed or if there was a big storm and otherwise she just needed to be fed and have access to water. Tried having a dog as an adult while living in town and it was a completely different experience, it takes over one’s life.♥ 6source record 347
I'm all for people with large houses or on farms with multiple dogs. I usually compare 4 cats to 1 dog in terms of care. My house is not large and I don't have much yard space nor a complete fence yet so 6 dogs would bury me.♥ 2source record 1348
Imagine owning a dog in an apartment building. Every time it has to pee or poop, you have to leash it, walk it down the steps or an elevator, then outside no matter the weather or time of day until that dog goes to the bathroom. If you have an athletic breed you have to tire them out by going on a walk or playing at a dog park. If it gets in mud or steps in poop or anything youre gonna have to clean it yourself Or you scoop some litter in the morning, some at night, and play with the cat for a few short sessions every day. It keeps itself clean and you rarely ever have to bathe a cat♥ 1source record 1636
Reading this thread, I'm realizing part of my inability to relate is because I have 2 acres of fenced in land for my dogs 😅. I think if I was in an apartment, I'd just have a cat if I felt the need for a pet.♥ 8source record 1657
I'll never live in a pet friendly apartment again after having my small dog either. When it's the only option for some reason it attracts the scum of the earth tenants. After our dog passed we moved to a place that didn't allow pets and it was so much better! No dog shit everywhere and less scary and gross people.♥ 3source record 1659
I feel like every apartment complex I've toured as a prospective renter (usually newer, same amenities, cookie cutter types) in the last decade have allowed dogs and is full of them. Never again. Surely there is a larger market for people like you and I? Aside from blind people and maybe a retired person with a little dog, having a dog in an apartment does indicate something about a person's judgement. I grew up with dogs and think of them as man's best friend and all, but there are too many in the city and it has made me like them less than ever.♥ 3source record 1660
Glad someone else noticed! Every place I've been that allows pets, is run down, the grounds are gross and just the worst management and tenants. Yeah after visiting my mom who had a huge back yard and seeing my little dog run with such enthusiasm without a leash really made me realize I never wanted a dog in an apartment again. Taking him to dog parks was too risky, more than one occasion he was trampled and stepped on by bigger dogs. I believe they need space to run around freely.♥ 2source record 1661
Yeah we're only going to be living in cat friendly apartments from now on.. my province can't enforce it though. So we're moving to a province that actually does.♥ 1source record 1662
No dog over 20lb should be in an apartment, especially not a doberman of all dogs. How irresponsible♥ 8source record 1664
Giant dogs like great danes and bernese mountain dogs are actually great apartment dogs, as long as you have some green space within a 10 min walk nearby (most apartments do). They're fairly lazy couch potatoes. It's the working/hyperactive dogs that are a menace in apartments, particularly medium-large sized ones.♥ 9source record 1665
I have a 60lb Poodle who gets regular exercise. All he does in our apartment is sleep. Destroys nothing, doesn't mess in the apartment. That's total crap. Yes, if you get one and you can't commit to training or exercising it, you shouldn't get a dog, period.♥ 1source record 1666
There was a younger couple that lived in a 2 bedroom with 2 big Dobermans at my old apartments. I felt so bad for those dogs. They were locked up in kennels all day and were only taken out for potty breaks when they were home. The 2 bedroom was only 700 sq ft btw♥ 2source record 1688
Having an animal far too large for the space is the problem. Its hard on the animal and owner♥ 16source record 1696
That is insane, I got a toy poodle cuz I live in an apartment. My friends have 2 60+ lbs dogs in a similar sized unit. I just don't mention it to them anymore.♥ 1source record 1716
I lived out the country and could just let me dog outside to run around and shit without me ever having to worry about it because it was such a large space i never once even noticed dog shit and it was great. I loved my dog but yea outside of having a large space where they can basically take care of themselvs im never getting a dog again♥ 2source record 2243
Owning inside the house dogs suck, outside dogs rock 🎸♥ 2source record 2310
If you think it sucks to own a dog when you have a backyard then I'm gonna blow your mind by telling you most people I know have them in apartments lol. It's like they're trying to be miserable by any means possible.♥ 1source record 2516
Dogs are not meant to live in nonrural areas. Dogs deserve land to roam on♥ 1source record 2864
For me, some additional drawbacks: 1. Expense of pet sitting 2. Needing to plan outings and being away from the house around not leaving dogs alone too long 3. It can limit your housing options severely, both because of landlords, per rent, and if you don’t have a fenced yard leashing up your dog more than 5 times per day 4. Messes/hair♥ 1source record 2934
Live on a ranch, dog shits in places you'll never walk. Leash is in the truck for taking dog into town. Super low maintenance, excellent helper.♥ 1source record 3161
I love dogs and have 4 of them, but I live in a large house on 20 acres of fenced farmland in the middle of nowhere, I don’t know how people who live in normal houses in the street or in apartments manage to live with dogs.♥ 1source record 3330
I love my dog to PIECES. My boyfriend and I have had him since he was 8 weeks old, he's going be 6 in November. It has been so difficult, especially when he was a puppy. But, to me, the hardest part would be being a dog owner and a renter. I have an 80lb AmStaff. It is so hard to find a place to rent that checks all my boxes AND will accept my dog. That, and all the money it costs to take care of a dog. Everything is so expensive, right down to dog food. My boyfriend and I don't get any help and are living on our own in our mid-late 20s. It's definitely been a burden financially.♥ 1source record 3594
I have owned 15 dogs in the past 15 years. But when my girlfriend and I move to a smaller place we will not be getting a pet. I cannot imagine owning a dog with a small/no yard and being that responsible for their entertainment. We currently have 6 dogs on a large yard. So I can easily go half the day without seeing them.♥ 0source record 3908
It can vary by situation. Urban living is a poop full yard or picking up poop, but rural is just dog goes outside. You can also train the dog to go in the woods rather than the yard. Some dogs are good with food, others not so much. It's really nice to be able to just leave a full food and water dish out, and the dog grazes. It's rough having to deal with every single feeding because the dog will eat 100% of everything you put in the bowl. Vets today as bit of a scam, corporately owned greed factories, and the people that work there hate it but can't fix it. But also growing up, we never took a dog to the vet. That just wasn't normal to do. But to many dogs might as well be their babies, and companies are exploiting that. A dog shared is better than a dog alone. A village raising a child is far easier. Solo, it's all you, only you.♥ 1source record 3939
This thread makes me realize how lucky I am. My dog is fully outdoors and free range because we’re on a large property. And because we’re rural business owners, we have a very regular schedule + not many recreational things to distract us from feed schedules and play time. We spent so much of our downtime training our girl and we are all better for it. I’ve never had a better time as a dog owner♥ 1source record 3976
You just need an acreage.... we have 3 big dogs and 6 acres, taking care of them is really pretty easy and bonus they protect our livestock♥ 1source record 3992
Well if you have a country yard with a lot of space it makes it so much easier. My dog in 12 years never pooped on our property, always went to the forest or the meadow. With the freedom to walk free it didnt constantly beg for attention and was much more relaxed. I think this is the best life for them♥ 1source record 4604

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The dog you did not agree to113 index entriesThe corpus's most under-discussed burden: the dog somebody else brought home, and who ends up doing the work.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: The dog you did not agree to

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The dog you did not agree to

113 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Doing the work for a dog somebody else in the house wanted

Why readers chose it: 113 records about a dog that somebody else brought home, and the pattern is consistent enough to be a genre: a partner wanted it, promised to do the work, and the work migrated. It also arrives by inheritance when a parent dies, by a breakup, by a relative going away, and in one case by a cousin going to prison. Several of these commenters do the feeding, the walks and the yard while the person who wanted the dog does not, and several more say the experience became a reason not to date somebody who owns one. The corrective offered inside the card is the only one that fits it: that nobody should get a dog unless the whole household actually agreed.

What readers reported: I always said the best dogs are the dogs I don't have to take care of. My wife asked and asked for years for a puppy. I finally fucking caved, thinking it would be good for our kids. She promised and promised she would be the one to take care of it, I wouldn't have to lift a finger. We have now had this dog for 3 years. I am the only one that feeds it or takes it out. I'm the only one that makes sure to play fetch with it so it actually gets some exercise and socialization. My kids have nothing to do with it. It has almost no training and is a total idiot all the time, and destructive. I'm not really sure when the last time she spent any time with the dog was. I told her all of this would happen and that I would be super pissed and resentful it she didn't keep her word. She DID NOT KEEP HER WORD. And now she's begging for ANOTHER DOG. God give me fucking strength. I'm holding the line this time because FUCK THIS. An unwanted animal is TERRIBLE. Don't do it to yourself.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

What the replies added3

I actually broke up w a girl because her dog was so fucking time consuming it was unreal. Her whole life revolves around her dog.

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My last relationship fell apart because she had an extremely anxious dog. It would bark it's head off if you stood up. It would jump all over you constantly. And I mean CONSTANTLY. Like no off switch at all. Towards the end of the relationship, the dog started tearing up her house when she was out with me so she started forcing us to hang out only at her house and never doing anything else. Those last few weeks were fucking brutal

Reported failure♥ 2

We have a dog. It's really my wife's dog. She wants all the love it gives. I have to pick up it's poo, repair the holes it digs, control it when it's going crazy barking at someone and deal with it's absurd stank. It also recycles its own poo which probably doesn't help with its stank. It's also broken. We've had it since a puppy but it hates our kid. Barely tolerates him and growls when he tries to hug her. Our kid just wants to hug [account] and she wants nothing to do with him.

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Now I feel lucky that we could leave the house for a few hours. Unfortunately some of them are just such high maintenance. I'm childfree, so having a furry toddler-like responsibility is not appealing

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My wife begged for one, and she literally will not take care of it. The dog is 5, and she hasn’t taken it for a walk in years. I am so against having another animal I hate it.

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The problem is OP is caring for a pet they weren't consulted in getting. That's the WHOLE thing about dads/husbands not wanting pets. People promise to train them and take care of them, but then they don't or sometimes it's just more practical. I don't want my wife to have to go out on a rainy night in the dead of winter. I don't want her to have to walk the dogs alone at night because it's too hot to during the day. I don't want her to have to take them to the vet the morning after working three 12 hour overnight shifts because that's soonest appointment and the dog is sick and can't wait. Edit: this is overly generalized, but I mean it specifically for people in OP's situation. Not all wives/partners/kids.

source record 1755♥ 30
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These are all the reasons I keep telling my wife and kids, over and over, that we are never getting a dog. The clingyness thing in particular is something I find hard to deal with. It's just not for me.

posted about 7 days after the source
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My wife took a dog without asking me, One day I came back from work, and the dog was there. Before that, I told her numerous times I did not want a dog, as I knew for sure she would not take care of him, and all the chores & responsibilities would fall on me over time. I was really angry for quite some time about this situation. This was 2 years ago, and now I feel quite different, Having this dog in my life ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me. I wake up every morning at 7 am to go on a walk with him so he can take a shit, but I don't mind anymore :) It is for sure a hard commitment, but to me it is 200% worth it, I just love him, I love him so much that I am afraid of the pain I will have to face when I will lose him

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I actually broke up w a girl because her dog was so fucking time consuming it was unreal. Her whole life revolves around her dog.♥ 17source record 280
Just started dating a girl who has a dog its nice and everything but I could never live with it.♥ 15source record 430
You realize if you stay together that dog technically becomes yours and you have to live with it?? 🫠♥ 5source record 431
Can relate, wife convinced me to get a dog. She just HAD to have one. I thought it'd be cool to have a little dog with my toddlers (at the time) but I knew all responsibilities would fall on me. Tried my hardest to not make it happen. But it did. She got a job offer like 6 states away. Guess who got stuck with the dog for the time we were separated. Now he's imprinted on me, and all responsibilities still falls on me. I hate it. Cute dog, very smart. But damn.♥ 8source record 458
And also, be aware that living with a dog may be on the table for your partner. Talk it out before it gets to the marriage or living together stage. For some its a deal breaker. Hats off to OP for dealing with it just because it makes his wife and grandmother happy.♥ 1source record 991
I was trying to convince my partner to do the same but he didn’t listen to me and has left the majority of the care to me. Ugh….♥ 1source record 1263
I've grown up with dogs and cats my entire life, but when i was 12 all our childhood pets had died, and my family decided to get a dog, instead of a cat. I was actually devastated. I was a teenager, and I knew they were about to force me to come home to help take care of it all the time, etc. and I told them I wanted no part of it, but was forced to anyway. I loved that dog but man. The responsibility they require is just too much for me. I wanted to go to school and then go hang out with my friends after or go to my part time job, not have to come home to walk the f****** dog.♥ 3source record 1592
My last relationship fell apart because she had an extremely anxious dog. It would bark it's head off if you stood up. It would jump all over you constantly. And I mean CONSTANTLY. Like no off switch at all. Towards the end of the relationship, the dog started tearing up her house when she was out with me so she started forcing us to hang out only at her house and never doing anything else. Those last few weeks were fucking brutal♥ 2source record 1686
The problem is OP is caring for a pet they weren't consulted in getting. That's the WHOLE thing about dads/husbands not wanting pets. People promise to train them and take care of them, but then they don't or sometimes it's just more practical. I don't want my wife to have to go out on a rainy night in the dead of winter. I don't want her to have to walk the dogs alone at night because it's too hot to during the day. I don't want her to have to take them to the vet the morning after working three 12 hour overnight shifts because that's soonest appointment and the dog is sick and can't wait. Edit: this is overly generalized, but I mean it specifically for people in OP's situation. Not all wives/partners/kids.♥ 30source record 1755
I’d say you have more husband problems than dog problems tbh♥ 2source record 1856
Yep and if you date women with one, most dates and trips and days revolve around the dog. Its exhausting and definitely takes a certain mindset.♥ 3source record 1889
Dating someone with a dog as a cat and holyyy shit. He's adorable but holy hell give me a minute to myself. And anytime me and her get affectionate he barks and screams and cannot handle attention anywhere but him. Endlessly♥ 3source record 1962
My wife begged for one, and she literally will not take care of it. The dog is 5, and she hasn’t taken it for a walk in years. I am so against having another animal I hate it.♥ 7source record 1979
Yeah. My wife did that to me too. After 18 years the dog passed. I loved that dog. Now she wants a new dog. I refuse. She was upset. I told her, you said you would take care of it and you didn't. Now i can't trust you to take care of a pet. We've already had 18 years of you not doing that. She was sad but she knew i was right.♥ 3source record 1983
I share this sentiment. When I moved in with my now ex, I went from owning zero pets to owning 3. For me it was a nightmare, couldn't go one week without something happening. Someone chewed up this, someone knocked this over, or pissed on that. My current girlfriend and I don't have any plans to get a pet. We like our clean house staying clean. We come home at the end of the day and everything is exactly how we left it.♥ 2source record 2008
You can clearly read that he is not the primary dog owner. He can only do so much. I had a similiar situation. You can't train a dog not to beg if the owner where it is 75% of the time feeds the dog scraps from every portion they eat 24/7. You can't improve their diet permanently. You can't train them not to follow you or be anxious 24/7 because they get rewarded for this behaviour in other settings.♥ 3source record 2093
Living as a roommate with another person who owns a dog is peak.♥ 2source record 2114
Yeah but he said the dog came with his wife’s grandmother, he didn’t choose that♥ 10source record 2258
I never expected this to get upvoted but it’s true! My wife has a dog and I hate that it lives in my house.♥ 2source record 2376
We have a dog. It's really my wife's dog. She wants all the love it gives. I have to pick up it's poo, repair the holes it digs, control it when it's going crazy barking at someone and deal with it's absurd stank. It also recycles its own poo which probably doesn't help with its stank. It's also broken. We've had it since a puppy but it hates our kid. Barely tolerates him and growls when he tries to hug her. Our kid just wants to hug [account] and she wants nothing to do with him.♥ 2source record 2404
i moved in with an ex with a dog and then he got another and expected me to take care of both of my cats AND his two dogs. it was soooooo much work considering one was a husky and screamed all the time and hair was everywhere and i had to walk her and take her out to potty all while she still pottied in the house. thank god i moved out and it’s just me and my two kitties who only ask for attention like 1/4 as much as a dog ever would. it’s the perfect harmony for us lol♥ 1source record 2427
My mom felt lonely. I told her to get a cat. Nope, cats are too independent. She needs to feel needed. It's a yorkie and I hate that stupid dog so much. In his defense, when my mom was hospitalized for about a month and he was forced into a house with rules and routines, I can honestly say I went from hating him to tolerating him. (And he was 5 at that point, so the fact that he learned quickly confirms that mom is 100% of the issue). She's back home, i'm back to calling her every afternoon (late 70s, lives alone) and hearing the little fucker yap nonstop until she acknowledges him. I'm back to hating him. The shame here is realizing he might've been a really decent dog if he had a decent owner.♥ 1source record 2500
I dated someone with a dog and I have to say, I am not a fan, I don't dislike dogs.I just don't want be in a relationship where there are dogs. First off , they're so much work and they're expensive. You can't go do things that you might want to do. Would you like to go to a concert? You can't because your dog is gonna freak out. Also, my ex had a dog with separation anxiety so we could never leave it at home.♥ 1source record 2524
Similar situation. Loved the dog, however he was a handful. Having always been nervous around dogs, I was never 100% comfortable around him which began to stress me out over time. Also, the separation anxiety meant we coudn't really leave the house for more than a few hours.♥ 2source record 2525
My wife had the same realisation about cats the moment we got one. I grew up with both cats and dogs, I am used to taking care of them and it is pretty hard for them to disgust me at this point, after 31 years spent cleaning shit, piss, and vomit from animals that were old and sick, or just very young and learning. She is getting used to some of the responsibilities now, but we have fully agreed that I will always be the one to clean out the toilet and whatever surprise they may leave around the house. Having had such experiences makes me also the designated helper when friends or other loved ones of mine need to vomit btw. Once a friend of ours vomited in the middle of a party at another friend's house and, without even thinking about it, I just picked up tissues and the mop and got to it. Growing up with animals and sick family members really gets you ready to confront some terrible things.♥ 1source record 2594
We have a POMSKY. Was not my choice, fought against it. Love her to death, but my god it's such a big weight constantly on me.♥ 1source record 2624
We couldn't leave the house at all. The dog always came with us or he got a babysitter. Like the first date he had a sitter and I didn't know that the dog was that needy.♥ 1source record 2635
Now I feel lucky that we could leave the house for a few hours. Unfortunately some of them are just such high maintenance. I'm childfree, so having a furry toddler-like responsibility is not appealing♥ 2source record 2665
Omg my wife made us get a dog 1 month after getting married. We’re celebrating 10 years this year and I’m just counting down the days. I must have said a million times we are never getting another dog♥ 1source record 2714
It does. I have my uncle living with me. I never quite agreed to him living with me. Hes a bum. Hell be homeless if I kick him out and I cant quite bring myself to do that. He brought a dog home one day. The dog tears myshit up and barks and sits. I hate how this fucking dog runs the house. I resent this dog. I refuse to do anything to care for a dog I didn't agree to care for. Yes ill neglect it. I wont feed it. Pet it. Let it outside. Uncle has to figure it out.♥ 1source record 2718
Always fun when someone else's dog, who lives with you, is in the house who you end up taking care of it somehow. My cousin went to jail and guess who suddenly had a new dog who never asked for one 🙄♥ 1source record 2755
The yard cleanup was one of the biggest bones of contention with my husband and I. With our first dog, he literally would not mow the lawn until I cleaned the yard. After she died, it took us a while to get over it and get another and one of my stipulations was we BOTH had to clean the yard and instead of having to deal with the grosses Easter egg hunt ever, we take turns letting her out and pick up after her EVERY time. There's a garbage can in the backyard specifically for her so there is no excuse. No more landmines in the yard and it gets mowed without issue... also, no more fights about poop.♥ 1source record 2779
My husband came with a dog attached. I have taken care of the dog ever since. Spoiler alert, she is barely house trained OR leash trained. Such a joy.♥ 1source record 2785
100%. My husband wants a dog. My 16 year old wants a dog. My 11 year old wants a dog. They all say they’ll take care of it and I will only have to take care of it when they can’t. But here’s the thing. I work from home and dogs need care 24/7. So it would “only” be my responsibility like 75% of the time. (Not to mention we’d never be able to spontaneously do anything for 10-20 years. Ugh.) We aren’t getting a freaking dog lol♥ 1source record 2798
Same. These dogs my gf has piss on everything, bark at everything and have this high pitched whine when she leaves and they do it for like 5 minutes straight, just letting the whole world know how fucking depressed they are. When we give attention to one, the other becomes extremely jealous and HAS to be part of whatever were doing. They follow us everywhere and barely have any chill. We have talked about re-homing them, but it just hasn't happened and we fiddlefart around when the conversation comes up.♥ 1source record 2814
This is why dogs are a dealbreaker for me. Unfortunately, a ton of women have dogs.♥ 1source record 2885
I have never been a dog person but when we got married my husband wanted one. I thought “well maybe since it’s my dog I’ll end up liking it.” 16 years later and I was wrong. I was so wrong. I am even less of a dog person than I ever was because not only are they still everything I found unappealing but also they’re a pain in the ass to care for; id rather just have a second kid cause at least they grow up and can hold a conversation.♥ 1source record 2887
Like you, I am not a dog person. I can handle *some* dogs for a short period of time, but you're absolutely right that *owning* a dog is a lot of work. I was roommates with a guy who had a dog. At first my roommate did everything--feeding, walking, etc. Then he got a new job and would be out of town for work, so I became the owner while he was away. I had to walk that dog every day, and a lot of days it was cold and raining and I really didn't want to walk the dog. I guess it was good training for parenthood. I'll add another thing I can't stand about dogs: when they lick your face. I am utterly baffled at people who actually seem to *like* being licked on the face by a dog. That animal could've eaten a turd five minutes earlier. My roommate's dog would try to lick my face but I'd push him away every time.♥ 1source record 2915
Totally get it. Had a dog for a few years that passed away. Now that my kids are slowly getting older they have noticed we are the only ones in the family without a dog and keep asking me when we are getting one. Mom and kids all keep saying yes. But I have put my foot down that, at least for now, the answer is absolutely no. I will ultimately be the one that does the vast majority of the caretaking and I like not having to set up the house every time we want to go anywhere. In a few years when the kids are older I will reconsider. But for now. No way.♥ 1source record 2935
Yeah partner's dog is a cutie. But I did not realize all the responsibility until I had to take care of her for a month. Schedule changed to centre around her and her feeding and walking times. She's a stubborn old lady and has her schedule and will be vocal if you're late♥ 1source record 2989
I'm with you on this. My wife and son went on and on about getting a dog, now he's moved out and her job has changed so she's away a lot. So it's my dog. I Google "how long do lurchers live for?" Almost daily.♥ 1source record 2999
My ex wanted a dog. "I'll pick up the poop." Yeah, well, that happened once, and I had a dog toilet for a backyard. Fucking hate that. Ended up making her find the dog somewhere else to live. We have neighbors now that don't pick up the shit for a week (when they mow the lawn)--we get the stench and the flies, and their kid has to play on the front lawn since the backyard is a fucking dog toilet. Also, he yells at the dogsconstantly, even at 11pm at night when the neighborhood is dead quiet. "Leave it!!" "NOOOO!!!!" "Get OUT of THERE!!!" Don't ask me how I feel about dogs...♥ 1source record 3027
I have a 16 year old dog. I was waiting to have freedom. I then married my wife and her three dogs. I hate them all. her dogs slobber and pee and poop in the house sometimes daily.♥ 1source record 3047
This is not unpopular at all. I got worn down by my partner into getting a dog (they’ve had one growing up, I haven’t), to which I eventually stupidly half-agreed to. I like dogs, like dog sitting and playing with them, but oh my god. Having a puppy is a nightmare, and the responsibilities are fucking endless. I love her and we take very good care of her but it’s exhausting and there definitely is resentment in our relationship now because of all the things that happen or don’t happen because we have a dog (she’s not the best behaved one, not the worst either, but we love her).♥ 1source record 3072
We have a dog. My wife thinks I hate dogs. I never wanted to get a dog because I don’t think our lifestyle suits an animal that needs consistency and care. I like dogs I just HATE owning one. Awful.♥ 1source record 3076
I always said the best dogs are the dogs I don't have to take care of. My wife asked and asked for years for a puppy. I finally fucking caved, thinking it would be good for our kids. She promised and promised she would be the one to take care of it, I wouldn't have to lift a finger. We have now had this dog for 3 years. I am the only one that feeds it or takes it out. I'm the only one that makes sure to play fetch with it so it actually gets some exercise and socialization. My kids have nothing to do with it. It has almost no training and is a total idiot all the time, and destructive. I'm not really sure when the last time she spent any time with the dog was. I told her all of this would happen and that I would be super pissed and resentful it she didn't keep her word. She DID NOT KEEP HER WORD. And now she's begging for ANOTHER DOG. God give me fucking strength. I'm holding the line this time because FUCK THIS. An unwanted animal is TERRIBLE. Don't do it to yourself.♥ 1source record 3122
“My wife and her grandmother got a hound mix together.” Unless you were simply saying they physically picked it up together, It sounds like you were not onboard with owning a dog in the first place. Anyone that actually wanted the dog would have just said “*We* got a hound mix.” Is it not your dog too? If you never even really wanted a dog and don’t even consider it yours, I’m sure the downsides are much harder to deal with.♥ 1source record 3135
The most difficult period of my girlfriend and I’s relationship was when she was responsible of her sister’s new puppy for a few months. He stressed her out and exhausted her physically and emotionally, we never could get a moment of peace to sit and enjoy each other’s company, and to beat all I’m allergic to dogs. He was the cutest, sweetest little bugger but he had energy off the WALLS. We couldn’t leave him alone to go on dates, so date nights had to be at her place while he was bounding all over the place. Our relationship naturally strained, but once he went to his own home, things improved immensely.♥ 1source record 3137
Yea, I would never get a dog and would hesitate to date someone with a dog. I like them from a distance though!♥ 1source record 3146
I agree. I love both the dogs in my house. My 38 yr old had seizures and had to come home to live at the time he couldn't work and asked if he could get a dog. I said yes. So then he goes back to work and ends up "I" spend most of the time with "our" dog. To make matters worse 😆 I felt tied down all day while he was working since I walk, feed and care for the dog so son brings home ANOTHER dog (he did ask) to keep first dog company so I don't have to feel so burdened with play, walks and entertainment. Well first dog and 2nd dog DO get along but they do not play so now at 62 I am walking and playing and feeding 2 dogs! I do love them but it's too much for me. So I enjoyed the laughing I just had from this post of mutual suffering. And that said if I did have them I would probably never leave the house but we are never getting another dog again either.♥ 1source record 3164
I agree with this, I know I'm not a dog owner. Love dogs, love when my friends have dogs. But my own? It sucks. I've got one because she came with the marriage, and I love her, but damn I can't wait for this to be over. I'm currently sitting at the vet for the second time this month because we can't get her scratching under control.♥ 1source record 3179
GenX, 2 college age kids My husband and son are big time dog people, as are most of my extended family. To the point I was picked on a lot for being intolerant to the mess and care of dogs inside. Husband was traditional. I worked and did the housework,shopping,cooking and bulk of child rearing. I had no bandwidth for adding animal care. They asked always. They said the would be 100% responsible. I knew it’d fall to me. I have 2 dogs now. Both very well mannered. Kids were 17+ at time we got the dogs. A Shepherd and a full size Poodle Mix. I love them, although they weren’t gotten for me they are my dogs. They are my shadows. I am 99% their caretakers. They are a lot of work. Like kids again. They need/deserve alot of attention. I would have to be honest hated having dogs with my husband when my kids were little, it would have been overwhelming and the dogs would have been untrained. I 100% get why you would be frustrated and a little resentful.♥ 1source record 3186
Added to my non-negotiables list, thus I live and will die alone. 🤷🏾‍♂️♥ 1source record 3287
Yeessss!!! This. I fucking hate having to take care of the dogs. I don't like it. I do it but I'm done after these ones go. It's too much responsibility and they're so needy. I hate it but my wife wants them.thsi is it though I'm not getting anymore after these two live their long lives and pass. Sound heartless...but like you said they're cared for but it's too much. I don't need the chosen responsibility that is avoidable by just not having pets.♥ 1source record 3293
It’s so much work. I always advise single people who want a partner to not get a dog for company, it will seriously impact your ability to date. You can’t get a quick coffee or a beer when you leave work because you need to get home to let your dog out. Or pay a dogwalker which makes dating more expensive and less spontaneous. I wouldn’t get a dog unless I had kids already.♥ 1source record 3304
100% my fiancé, boyfriend at the time, has a dog and I told him that’s your dog. I did not want the responsibility of a dog. He pays for everything - food, vet visits, pet sitter etc. I pay for my car because it was mine before we started dating and he doesn’t use it much. He’s probably spent more on his dog in one year that I have since I got my car six years ago. Dog poop is so disgusting to me, I told my fiancé he must clean up the poop every time they’re outside. I love dogs but I have realized I am a cat person through and through. They are more self sufficient. They don’t require someone to stay there constantly. Litter is in one spot so I know where to clean. Dogs are also so needy. I do pet sitting on the side and had to lock myself in my room for fifteen minutes because I couldn’t walk down the hall without the dog following me 😩😭 Like I said, love dogs. I just do not want one of my own at this point in my life.♥ 1source record 3320
yupyupyup my ex wanted a dog, I did not want a dog because we lived in a townhome so there was no backyard to release the dog, so we had to take her out multiple times a day regardless of the weather. I already had a cat so I told him that he was responsible for the dog. two days after we got the dog, he fucked off on a trip and left me alone with both pets for a week. I took care of her to the highest standard that week, but that week was cold, wet, and rainy, and it was enough to make me never want a dog ever again. I always tell people, I love dogs, I just hate owning a dog.♥ 1source record 3365
Yeah I’m kinda with you. I only agreed to get our first dog because everyone in my family wanted one so bad and got our second if my wife let me get a second grow tent. As much as everyone wanted them I’m the one who takes care of them the most. My wife takes them on trail hikes/walks, but otherwise that’s about it. If I lived alone I’d have no pets at all to be honest. I feel horrible, but they’re just work to me and not a friend.♥ 1source record 3390
Man, I literally thought I was the only one to feel this way. As a cat person who moved in with his girlfriend who had a dog I wasn’t really sure how I’d react. Don’t get me wrong, I love him and he’s great but I wasn’t prepared for how different dogs are from cats. Not only the normal things but of course our dog has a chronic seizure issue that is incurable. He also has extreme anxiety, cannot socialize with any people outside of our immediate circle, can’t go in the car and restricts us from going out mostly at all. Not to mention he also has a bathroom issue due to the multiple medications he’s on daily that cost hundreds of dollars a month even with insurance. Needless to say, I don’t think I’ll be signing up for another dog in the future. This was my first and only experience having a dog and I legit have nightmares that another one will be the same or worse.♥ 1source record 3405
OMG this thread is so cathartic. Love my staffie, but he was thrust upon me by my now ex after I insisted we should not get a dog, and he's a PITA. Love him. But damn he's a PITA and has been one for thirteen years.♥ 2source record 3408
Wife sent me a photo of an "easy puppy" up for adoption. Firm no. Never spoke of it even happening. Blew my mind she'd even consider it.♥ 2source record 3409
Bruh. I don't hate dogs. I don't like em either. We had a pit/boxer mix that my wife had before we were together... when we bought a house, the dog came with (of course). It is, another child. Travel becomes hard. You need dog sitters if you are going extended. It DRASTICALLY changes your mundane day to day in a really subtle way that I do not like. More power to dog owners. That shit ain't for me.♥ 1source record 3440
I will always say if not everyone in a household is on board with having ANY animal and sharing the responsibility, there shouldn’t be one in the home. Anyone who looks at animal as really only a burden shouldn’t be around them.♥ 1source record 3559
I agree. I had dogs up until my mid 20s and my girlfriend had a dog when I met her. We had kids and they wanted a dog so for maybe a year I said no and then I tried to really stress how much difficulty and responsibility it is. So we finally got one and I warned them about the vomit, the poop, taking them out in the rain, cold, etc… having to come home at certain times when we’re out so we can feed him and let him out… he recently just had a stomach virus and shit all over the (wood thank god) floor and I made them clean it up and said “I told you about this and now here we are” they handled it really well and I wasn’t doing it to be mean, it was moreso to follow through with what I originally told them.♥ 2source record 3578
This is why I’m hesitant to move in with my boyfriend currently. He has a dog and the few times I pet sit are overwhelming. The dog is older but very defiant now and I can’t imagine dealing with the neediness of a pet for longer than a weekend. And it’s not just me the dog has become hostile to even my boyfriend. The dog is a bully (but still cute and sweet at times but very much I want to play now and if we don’t, no one will know peace!). He also hates walking now and will go and pee in the second bedroom to avoid walking. The dog has been checked and no issues. I asked him if he plans to get another dog after this and he said no so now I’m waiting for this to end.♥ 1source record 3596
I hate owning my dog. I only agreed to it for my kids but I wish I never did.♥ 1source record 3601
My wife and I knew we were meant to be together when we found out neither of us are dog people. We both kind of hid it at first since it would be a big ol’ red flag for a lot of people. Now whenever we’re hanging out with friends and they have to go home early to “let the dog out”, or someone blasts a text out asking for dogsitters so they can go on vacation, or someone is complaining about some furniture their dog ruined… we just look at each other and know, “No dogs!”♥ 1source record 3623
I love dogs, but we only got one because my wife wanted one. I'd never own one.♥ 1source record 3671
I’m currently going through a crises deciding if I should stay with the person I’m dating cause they own a dog. I have no interest in living in a house with a dog.♥ 1source record 3687
I thought my husband wrote this at first. He genuinely hates dog ownership😂 I did not grow up with dogs, and very irresponsibly fell in love with a dog that was going to be sent to the shelter and brought it home without discussing it with him first. He, understandably, was very upset and told me I would grow to see how much work it really is. I LOVE my doggy but oh my gosh, in a lot of ways she’s harder than my kids! And yes he loves her now too and we have worked through that lapse in judgment on my end🙃♥ 1source record 3702
As someone taking care of 2 dogs someone else thought would be a good idea (my no got overuled). Never trained well. And then just decided to be a degenerate human and offload all adult responsibilities on me. $25k in vet bills and my sanity later: Yes. Owning a dog sucks.♥ 1source record 3767
I feel the same way. I am 90% responsible for my wife’s dog (my dog now) that she had when she met me. I do the potty breaks, some walks (we have a dog walker) and feeding. Not to mention the extreme separation anxiety the dog gets when my wife wants to be alone. She’ll freak out and wait by the door, pacing around and not being able to calm down until she’s back with her dog mom. It’s an overall joyful experience but it has its downsides like anything else. The hardest part is planning trips because we don’t have a dog sitter that’s reliable and of course you can’t just take your dog everywhere.♥ 1source record 3773
Dogs are tons of work. Yeah sure some of them are cute. I love wiener dogs and a few other breeds. But they’re expensive and just very labor intensive. On top of that, I had a live in girlfriend that had two dogs and they didn’t clean after them. I literally have dog owner PTSD from that shit. It was fucking disgusting♥ 1source record 3784
I love dogs and I love my dog. But when my sisters came home with a new dog for my mom, I knew it was gonna be basically any free time I had to be the one to train and take care of her. No one gets it and I got berated any time I asked for someone else do lift a finger and do anything. Currently living on my own and all I ever hear is how difficult it is for them to do daily stuff. We’re talking about a dog that doesn’t chase cars and listens to me anytime I call her. She even shits in the woods cause she’s smart enough to know that she wants to run around the entire yard and not run in her own shit. She’s the best dog ever but my mom and sisters can’t see that and think she’s way too much work to handle. It destroys me when they tell me how bad she is.♥ 1source record 3802
Having grown up in a rougher place than most where people owned dogs to fight them. Never had a dog growing up my wife had a dog when I met her, but that was her dog. After he passed away she was wrecked. I waited until she was ready and bought her dog for Valentine's Day when we met the lady she brought a litter my wife picked one and I saw another one that I liked but kept my mouth shut this is her dog again she changed her mind and picked the dog that I was looking at. I used to think people are stupid for spending hundreds of dollars on a dog or taking it to the vet spending hundreds of dollars. But now if my boy got sick I would knock off a bank to get him right. So I respectfully disagree♥ 1source record 3900
I agree I adopted a dog that my wife got before I existed. I’m like he sucks.♥ 0source record 3910
These are all the reasons I keep telling my wife and kids, over and over, that we are never getting a dog. The clingyness thing in particular is something I find hard to deal with. It's just not for me.♥ 0source record 3912
All of this is so true! I had (working cattle) dogs growing up and always wanted to get one that didn’t have to have a job, it could be cute and sit on the couch with me. Met my bf 4 years ago, who has his own dogs and fosters dogs and it was so cute, we even adopted a dog together and I would see him on weekends or after work and then go home. We moved in together and it is entirely different now. They are loud, they are not well behaved, we literally have to lock them up when we have guests over (except his girl dog, she is perfect). Turns out, I am not a dog person. I mean, I love them, but I wish someday we could be dog-free and that will never happen because this man loves dogs more than me (it’s okay, I have come to terms with it). Cats are so much easier and gentler. My baby just wants to sit in my lap and occasionally chase a hair tie around. I think a lot of people *think* they want a dog, but really they want a cat.♥ 1source record 4004
I have two dogs. Never wanted them, my gf did, so we got them. Everyday when I get home tired from work, I despise going outside with them. She always arrives later than me, so I need to be the one going out with them. They sometimes pee the sofa, or our bed, and I'm just sick and tired of them tbh. I love them, don't get me wrong, but I never wanted this much responsibility and now I can't run away♥ 1source record 4015
Absolutely valid take! I won't date someone who has a dog or wants one because it is not a lifestyle I am willing to live. Having a dog is like having a perpetual toddler that is more dangerous. There are SO MANY diehard dog people though, so definitely an unpopular opinion.♥ 1source record 4031
I pay for everything for our two dogs, food, vet bills etc - as a result I never have to pick the shit up, that's my girlfriends job! I feel it is the best money I spend...♥ 1source record 4043
i have decided i don't want dog responsibilities in my life and will often times swipe left on girls on dating apps if they have a dog (especially problem breeds). you might think, why would that matter? it's her dog not yours. but i just know i'm going to get along better with a cat person so it's just one of my preferences♥ 1source record 4116
I'm there with you. We still have our daughter's dog. Daughter is now married, but can't have a dog in her small apartment. They are constant maintenance. Let them out. It's going to rain so let them in. There's so much more to train. I've never had a cat have as many accidents. The barking at everything and nothing. Can't go anywhere overnight without kenneling them or hiring a dog sitter, but then she goes insane, when we do. There's the physical damage she does to the house scratching to go out or come in. When my daughter gets a new place or this dog finally dies, I'm done. My last dog ever. Cats are never this much trouble.♥ 1source record 4170
I have an 8 year old Rottweiler. He’ll be 9 in October. I have him because I wanted a dog and my late husband would only agree if we could get a big dog. So we ended up getting a rottie as a niece on his side of the family had a litter they were trying to get rid of. I love this dog so much. It’s just him and me now in this house together. But man I was not ready at all for the responsibilities of dog ownership, let alone for a big dog like this. He’s laying here watching me type this, and I want to scratch his big head and tell him he’s a good boy, which he is, but the daily and other financial responsibilities are so much sometimes.♥ 1source record 4204
It’s weird to me that you say that your wife and grandmother got a dog together, not you and your wife. I thought when you got married that you and your spouse share everything? I understand that you help out with the dog when they aren’t able, but what a strange dynamic.♥ 1source record 4246
I’m divorced and ended up w the exs dog because of logistics of new living arrangements. I am also a parent. I like the dog and he’s sweet and cute. But I’d be lying if i said I am going to get another one after he crosses the rainbow bridge. All I dream about now is the day I get to take care of pretty much only myself (and my child if she’s still a kid when that happens). It’s a huge drain on my energy and resources and I’m tired.♥ 1source record 4273
I love my dogs, my ex got the first one 2 weeks after we moved cross country. Told her I didn’t want a dog as I couldn’t afford it, but I don’t mind as long as she covered expenses. Worked at home for 2 months so took the dog out to the park display, got a “normal” job and so I got a dog to accompany the first dog. Bought my house 6 months later so they could have a fenced in yard. Broke up with said ex a few months later and now have two dogs of my own. They’ve been there for me when I was going through stuff. I don’t mind waking up at 4 am and letting them run around the park for an hour. Going straight to the park after work at 6. My life would be so much easier without them though, easier to plan trips, possibly move countries. I don’t regret them, but if I had to choose again, I wouldn’t.♥ 1source record 4279
I dated someone who bought a dog 1.5 years into our relationship despite my very vocal opposition. I was living with a guy who was divorced and occasionally had his blue heeler/german shepherd from his former marriage. The dog was fully untrained and bit me twice just for making eye contact with it. He decided he needed a full time dog and got a pure bred blue heeler. I told him I didn’t want the responsibility of a dog and wouldn’t take responsibility for it if he got it. He got it anyway. I ended up being the one taking care of it and training it as getting the dog coincided with my ex no longer hiding his alcoholism. I loved the dog undoubtedly but man every winter morning where he’d take ten minutes to find a spot deposit a steaming shit and then invariably step back into it, I wanted to die. Actually, I wanted to shove my ex’s face into the pile. Eventually we broke up. He went for treatment and we got back together. He bought himself a Chihuahua, the most annoying dog on the face of the Earth (not necessarily very cute either). I begged him to reconsider that one dog was enough and that he didn’t need any additional stress. He got it anyway. And I fully refused to participate in its life and made him actually do the work associated with dog ownership. He didn’t. I ran with and played with our heeler but avoided the shit machine Chihuahua like the plague. He ignored the dog constantly so it peed and pooped inside all the time. The chihuahua shit all over his new couch, every rug, and oddly on cords and wires. I left him shortly after because I couldn’t stand the unsanitary state of his house.♥ 1source record 4298
Also it’s never your idea to get a pet but then you’re the only one that takes care of them. My wife wanted a cat so we got a cat, I was the only one that took care of it so the cat decided I was her person and she ignores my wife, so we got another cat so my wife could have a cat. Guess what happened next? So now I take care of two cats and I love them but I didn’t really want the responsibility. And now whenever we want to vacation or go anywhere or do anything it’s 100% more complicated♥ 1source record 4304
My husband wants a dog, he brings it up every few months and my reaction is always “fuck no”. I’ve grown up with dogs my whole life and the amount of shit I’ve experienced with them is insane. Not to mention I have a 1 year old and 3 cats, I don’t need anything else to take care of.♥ 1source record 4318
Man I feel this. My dad died in May and I inherited his 15 yr old staffy. I also have a kitten that I got before he passed. It’s taking pretty much every ounce of energy I have to care for them while also caring for myself while I’m still grieving. I feel horrible and sometimes think maybe she would be better off with someone who can give her more attention than I can. And then I think about how she’s the only good thing left “from him” and that it would’ve made him happy to know I was looking after her. She’s a sweat heart and I love her, I just feel like I’m failing her a bit.♥ 1source record 4385
This was the biggest compromise my wife made marrying me. She loves dogs but in terms of getting one I told her absolutely the fuck not. We settled on a cat and thankfully it’s pretty chill. Also for some reason people with dogs feel the need to bring them absolutely everywhere with them? If I wanted that I’d just have a kid.♥ 1source record 4388
I’m taking care of my mom’s dogs after she passed away five years ago. I had her two poodles but down to one after the other passed away last year. I love him tons, but I definitely don’t want dogs anymore after this. I travel often and every time i rely on my roommate to watch them. Not to mention both genetically have mitral valve disease, which took the first one. Wow my current dude isn’t having any issues, I worry that he’s gonna start going downhill like his dad. Medication is expensive. Vet visits are extremely expensive. Food is expensive, but I do recommend cooking from scratch to save a ton of money. I’ve grown up with dogs, but for the first time in my life, I don’t want any pet pets after them.♥ 1source record 4402
I love animals. And I love dogs. But we recently adopted my mother in law’s dog after she passed, and my partner adores this dog. She is spoiled and we give her a great life. That being said- I fucking hate owning a dog.♥ 1source record 4432
My wife convinced me to get a puppy a few months ago and holy shit it sucks lmao♥ 1source record 4433
We have two schnauzers and a belgian malinois. Insanity i know. Two schnauzers were adopted when i was in early 20s with my sis. And then when i got married, in laws gave us the malinois as a “protection dog”. Kinda bitter about being surprised with a third dog but we love them all now. Thankfully they are all chill, but i end up being the one to walk and pick up the poop from the yard. I’m aware we need couple’s therapy lol♥ 1source record 4439
Your opinion is incredibly popular with me. I feel your pain. After my gf got a dog, life instantly became so much worse.♥ 1source record 4440
100%. I fucking hate it. Can't give it away, because it's technically my partner's, but **fuck** I wish I could.♥ 1source record 4460
I feel this. I “inherited” a dog. Begged my mother to make arrangements for the dog when she was healthy…just in case. Welp now I’m stuck with her. And I love her but now I forced to go home after work. I have to clean up urine multiple times a day. She’s expensive and it’s hard to travel now. Fuck dog ownership. I will never do it again.♥ 1source record 4614
Currently living with a roommate with two dogs. We were not a “dog family” growing up so I’ve never really been around them. We got a dog when I was in high school but I was so busy I was never really around. I’ve lived here almost a year and I have no emotional attachment to these dogs. In fact the only feeling I feel toward them is annoyance. MOST people do not put in the true effort it takes to have a well rounded dog. Between grooming, feeding, health care, enrichment, exercise, and training, almost every single person I know is failing in most of these arenas leading to anxious, unhappy, smelly ass dogs. I don’t like the jumping, the licking, the pawing, the lack of personal space, the wet noses, none of it.♥ 1source record 4645
I’m on Tinder, met a couple girls with dogs. Now a girl with a dog is a complete NO!!!!♥ 1source record 4670
My girlfriend has a dog and I agree it fucking sucks. It's a cute dog but it shits in the house a few times a month and is stubborn and really really stupid. It's way more trouble than it's worth and unfortunately has over a decade of life left. Also she's a shitty dog owner. Won't take any feedback from me on different ways to go about dealing with this and different training strategies. I'd trade this dog for a cat any day of the week even though I don't even want an inside cat. She treats this dog like it's a child and it drives me crazy.♥ 1source record 4682
Most people aren’t built for it. Sounds like you really aren’t that into pets and had one forced on you. That’s about the last way a person should have the responsibility to cate for a pet. Sucks for you.♥ 1source record 4771
Some slight variations, but this could have practically been written by me 😭 I love my sweet girl, I really do, but I didn’t want a dog, my partner did. Shes well trained, but the HAIR alone drives me insane♥ 1source record 4795
I have been actively pushing back on my partner for 2 years about getting a dog. I grew up with dogs...and two parents who thought that having children meant you had built in cleaners, dog care, baby sitters, etc. Having a dog is SO MUCH WORK. We already have 3 cats. I love my cats immensely. Especially because they are incredibly low maintenance and it really doesn't take much for me to spoil the hell out of them. Plus my partner, myself, and my son all work in restaurants. None of us have the time nor attention for a puppy/dog. Knowing all of that doesn't stop my partner from whining about getting a dog occasionally. My son and I just look at each other and laugh when he starts talking about it.♥ 1source record 4870
She won't go in the cage anymore at all so when I leave the house she free roams. I have deterants to keep her off the couch but she lays on the loveseat. When she pees on the floor I just drag her outside by her collar if she isn't willing. She's my boyfriend's dog, not mine. I'm not willing to do the work to train her, I was just looking for some insight. I personally don't like the dog because of her behavior. And the owner has Autism so, yeah. I've tried to get him to train her better but he just does the bare minimum.♥ 1source record 4919
Yep. I’ve always had cats and dogs growing up but have always preferred cats. My husband is pretty adamant that he doesn’t want cats. So he decided on adopting a Yorkie.😖♥ 1source record 5036
Don’t get a dog if the entire household can’t agree on the same training methods. It is literally so simple to have everyone be on the same page. If OP and his wife and mother in law can’t agree on not feeding the dog food that makes it have diarrhea, they shouldn’t have a fucking dog? Jesus lmao♥ 1source record 5266
Again, it wasn't the OP's choice to get the dog. It's not his fault that his wife and MIL got a dog that they don't take responsibility. Yes I had no choice to be born but if my mother didn't take care of me that wouldn't have been her roommates fault.♥ 8source record 5284
My wife took a dog without asking me, One day I came back from work, and the dog was there. Before that, I told her numerous times I did not want a dog, as I knew for sure she would not take care of him, and all the chores & responsibilities would fall on me over time. I was really angry for quite some time about this situation. This was 2 years ago, and now I feel quite different, Having this dog in my life ended up being the best thing that ever happened to me. I wake up every morning at 7 am to go on a walk with him so he can take a shit, but I don't mind anymore :) It is for sure a hard commitment, but to me it is 200% worth it, I just love him, I love him so much that I am afraid of the pain I will have to face when I will lose him♥ -1source record 5348
Your wife needs a new husband. Dog people and non dog people don’t last in relationships usually. You are a non dog person.♥ 0source record 5375
This is not how it works in real life. They just get a dog or already have one. Especially if its with parents or another part of the family. Not every "dog owner" is living in the same household. I wasn't living with our dog, this didn't miracously kept me away from having the dog for weeks at a time. Or being completely broken when she died♥ -1source record 5425
Well siblings, in laws, aunts, uncles and cousins are sometimes just different. I can't decide if they get a dog or not or if they listen to me, but I still have their dogs sometimes especially if you are a caregiver. Dont know why thats so difficult to understand.♥ 2source record 5429

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Situation: A dog that worked fine until a baby arrived

Why readers chose it: 50 records describing a single reliable turning point rather than a gradual decline. Commenters who managed a dog comfortably for years report that the arithmetic broke when a baby came: the dog dropped down the priority list, started acting out, and became the thing that woke the baby. The collisions are specific — barking during a nap, knocking a toddler over, being kept away from the baby entirely, a dog that became reactive to noise in the same year — and several report the reverse, a dog acquired alongside a toddler and both regretted. The advice people on the other side of it keep giving is to wait until the children are school-aged.

What readers reported: I loved having dogs until I had 2 kids. Now I have 4 kids and there always an afterthought. When I finally get a minute to breathe, the dogs need to go out, be fed, get a treat, get some belly rubs, etc. it’s exhausting

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I got pet adversion after having my baby. Not to mind the wee fucker decided to jump off the couch when he knows he's not allowed and landed weird and broke his back when I was freshly postpartum. He had to be on bed rest for weeks in a tiny crate to reduce movement and he just shit all over himself.and needed to be cleaned constantly. my partner had to hold him over a bucket of water every day for ages to get him to paddle for hydro therapy. Luckily it worked and he's walking again albeit a bit wobbly but not in pain. I love the little shit but Jesus Christ my patience is tested daily. I'd never get another dog after him.

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Totally agree. I had a dog and he passed away at 10. I loved him. But the responsibilities were just too much. I refuse to get another dog for.the family at the cost of mu kids almost hating me for it. I dont care. Never again.

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I stupidly got a pup when my kid was 2 and potty training. My house smelled so bad with a kid and puppy peeing around. It drove me mad. We’re doing good now. But I don’t want anymore dogs after they’re gone for a long time.

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honestly, I agree. I have a dog, and I love my dog, but I will not be getting another dog when he goes, or any pet for that matter. Its hard enough to get out of the house with a kid, with a dog too, its even worse. Always having to worry about getting home to feed the dog or let the dog out.

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I love my dogs but i deeply regret getting them. Now that i have kids i just see the dogs as a burden on my time and money.

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I stupidly got a pup when my kid was 2 and potty training. My house smelled so bad with a kid and puppy peeing around. It drove me mad. We’re doing good now. But I don’t want anymore dogs after they’re gone for a long time.♥ 43source record 227
My wife and I are in a similar boat. We have three pets: two cats and a Dutch Shepherd dog. We have done extensive training with her and she is an awesome dog. She is terrific with the cats, my wife and I, and she boards well. That said, we just had a baby last year. Ever since we had our baby, the pets (especially my dog) have just fallen drastically in the rankings. She has soooo much energy which was fine when I could run her at the park everyday but that just isn’t feasible anymore. She is always alert and barks if people come in the driveway or approach the house. She does everything 100% which means she makes noise whenever she moves at all. She is always patrolling. She is not aggressive and has never hurt my kid but she only has one play setting and it’s intense. My daughter grabbed the other end of a tug toy my dog had in her mouth and my dog yanked her across the floor, too quick to do anything about. No injuries but it was still alarming. We love her and my wife likes having her around the few times a year I go on work trips as she makes great security but gosh is it sometimes tough to like her. We have both agreed that we will never own more pets and if my kid asks for one one day we will go with them to volunteer at the shelter. We also have relatives with pets. This is all clearly an issue of poor fit to changed life circumstances but it’s a testament to the commitment of owning a pet. Life changes and dogs aren’t always great at that.♥ 12source record 461
I relate to this one so strongly, I have a 22mo and I’ve been doing pet sitting in my home for 10yrs now so I have my roster of dogs that I’ve known for years now who regularly come over. Even after letting go of the clients who I knew would definitely not be compatible with a baby and keeping only the best behaved ones I still have problems with the “good” ones being a bit oblivious and knocking my toddler over as they’re rushing by to go outside, or noisily pacing around at night (I’ll take their rattling collars off at night but the nails CLICKING on the wood floor!! I can’t!) it’s hard, I have my pick of the crop and still only a few are “perfectly” compatible. That being said I think the idea of going with your kid to volunteer at the shelter could be great, as long as the shelter is responsible enough to pair your kid’s responsibilities with animals vetted to be decent of course!♥ 6source record 462
Dogs are a lot of work. I always loved it though, until I had a baby. Now, I really struggle. I know I'll enjoy having a dog again one day, but right now, it's hard on me. I'm a SAHM so already struggle with feeling needed 24/7 and then the dog needs something from me and I want to just lose it. He's a good boy, I'm just in a different stage of life now and sometimes I wish we didn't have a dog. I feel guilty even thinking it, but it's true.♥ 5source record 472
pet dogs are babies with training wheels. if that works in context, then great. i had a friend who was completely obsessed with her french bulldog. the instant she had a kid, the dog plummeted in value♥ 2source record 774
I waited until my kids were teens to get a dog. Looked specifically for a Velcro because I missed the snuggles and being someone’s “bestest”. I agree, Velcro dogs and small children would have touched me out.♥ 1source record 834
man I would have loved to tell OP to not get a dog and a human child within 3 years of each other. This is the real issue. You get a dog first and train it and then it chills out at 3 years old after it stops being such a puppy. Raising a dog and a child at the same time is absolute madness because it'll just make them resent the dog for taking away time from them and the child.♥ 2source record 869
I got pet adversion after having my baby. Not to mind the wee fucker decided to jump off the couch when he knows he's not allowed and landed weird and broke his back when I was freshly postpartum. He had to be on bed rest for weeks in a tiny crate to reduce movement and he just shit all over himself.and needed to be cleaned constantly. my partner had to hold him over a bucket of water every day for ages to get him to paddle for hydro therapy. Luckily it worked and he's walking again albeit a bit wobbly but not in pain. I love the little shit but Jesus Christ my patience is tested daily. I'd never get another dog after him.♥ 3source record 1961
I loved having dogs until I had 2 kids. Now I have 4 kids and there always an afterthought. When I finally get a minute to breathe, the dogs need to go out, be fed, get a treat, get some belly rubs, etc. it’s exhausting♥ 6source record 1993
Having a needy dog and a baby is not fun let me tell you. If you pay attention to one, the other will be crying at you.♥ 5source record 2014
Honestly after husband and I became parents our desire to keep pets completely went away. We already barely have time to sleep. Also we travel for his work often. Keeping dogs would’ve added nothing but frustration.♥ 2source record 2039
Yeah, all that stuff sucks. And even if you do enjoy having a dog at one point in your life, things can change. We had two dogs, both lived to around 14 yo, and it was great right up until my son was born when the dogs were like 7 and 5. Then they didnt really get the attention they deserved anymore because we were so focused on raising a child and being exhausted. They used to camp with us, go on hikes, etc etc and a lot of that just slowed down a bit. Then they got old and couldn't physically do much so they stayed home when we went camping or on hike or whatever. We've since decided not to get another dog, at least in the near term, while we still have younger kids. We did get two cats though, and they have been fun and the kids really enjoy them. Other than scooping litter and occasionally cleaning up vomit, cats are pretty low maintenance.♥ 2source record 2069
Also, every time someone gets pregnant with their first and immediately thinks of adding a dog into the eye of the storm, just don't. You might be fine but putting it upon yourself, to spend your precious down time whenever it presents itself, on putting on your coat and standing still, watching your dog, waiting for it to shit so you can get home and lie down or being woken up in the middle of the night because your dog has diarrhea, because it ate cat poop..♥ 2source record 2081
Lost all desire to have a dog once I had kids♥ 7source record 2290
I have two kids and I couldn't imagine adding a dog to all that. No way.♥ 1source record 2422
As someone who last owned a dog 5 years ago and is now 12 weeks postpartum with a new aversion to dogs, I am so glad I don’t own a dog and don’t plan on owning one ever again.♥ 1source record 2602
My love for dogs physically left my body when I had my first kid♥ 1source record 2626
I grew up with dogs and absolutely loved them. I was always so shocked when other parents wouldn’t let their kids have a dog. We adopted a dog that was on the older side before we had kids and he was sweet and all but good lord he took up so much time and money. Then when we had a baby, the last thing I wanted to do after working all day was sweat my ass off taking him for a walk. I did it every time but never enjoyed it. I can’t foresee us having another any time soon.♥ 1source record 2807
Obsessed with my dog and love him to pieces, but I don’t have any children. If I did, I just know I couldn’t handle both, personally.♥ 1source record 2832
Also, every time someone gets pregnant with their first and immediately thinks of adding a dog into the eye of the storm, just don't. You might be fine but putting it upon yourself, to spend your precious down time whenever it presents itself, on putting on your coat and standing still, watching your dog, waiting for it to shit so you can get home and lie down or being woken up in the middle of the night because your dog has diarrhea, because it eats cat shit (yes, they eat cat shit)...♥ 1source record 2965
We have a 1,5 year old child and to be honest our dog was a center of attention before our child arrived. And now I'm a bit sad our dog is not getting as much attention anymore and some days taking care of him really feels like a chore on top of other chores that just need to be taken care of. All the mess he's making especially fur being everywhere is so overstimulating. He is a great dog, just wonderful. Obedient and kind. We will take care of him as he gets older and do best we can (wich some days feels like not enough at all). We have decided we won't get another dog ever again. We have only so much resources for our children.♥ 1source record 3053
My dad told me that the worst decision was having a young dog at the same time as young children. Growing up we had two dogs, one was older and very well behaved. And the other they got a little before I was born, and that dog was NOT well trained. My dad loved her but felt bad for how she was treated when we were young because he, and my mom, were too busy with two toddlers and a young dog. All that to say, they ARE a huge responsibility♥ 1source record 3067
My wife and I have a baby, toddler, and pomeranian. Honestly the most stressful part of us having kids is the dog. I feel like things would be so much easier with the kids if we didn't have the dog. She barks a lot and we're always worried about her waking up the baby. She has to be walked to poop 2-3 times per day because we don't really have a yard and it's always just another thing on our overflowing list of shit to do every day.♥ 1source record 3093
I loved my previous soul dog, and I love my current dog. But being pregnant right now and having to deal with her needs on top of everything is just too much to handle. The amount of guilt I feel every day for not giving her enough attention is suffocating.♥ 1source record 3099
My wife and I got a dog together about 15 years ago and it was a 7 year old rescue dog. Absolute sweetheart, was trained, knew how to signal for outside time or it needed something without crying or barking. We lived a great life until it simply died at the age of 15 human years (old for this breed). Cut to about six years ago, we now had two kids around the ages of 4 & 5, so preschoolers. We had just gotten out of the diaper phase and like many families during the pandemic, we rescued a dog but this time it was a puppy. My wife had to work throughout the pandemic and so I was at home with the kids because my industry hadn't opened back up yet. Let's just say the first two years with the new puppy were my living hell. Between caring for, entertaining, and educating my two kids, I was running around cleaning up pee spots, vomit, and poop trails from our puppy. The first six months I was the one waking up every few hours in the middle of the night taking the dog outside to potty train it. It was winter at this time, so I was also standing outside in the rain. The dog has fine white hair, not fur, so after coming in, I was drying it off and wiping its paws off while it was squirming around or nipping at my hands. The dog's teething period meant it was ripping edges off our various rugs, gnawing on base boards and table legs, and then came the period when it needed to mark every corner of the house as its territory, including twice my pillow and once my shoes. Let's just say my emotional threshold was consistently at red line during this period (compounded by our pandemic realities). Cut to today and our dog is definitely a valued member of the family. He's a small guy who fends off the squirrels outside (by barking at the windows) and likes to run off with dirty laundry to some odd corner of the house. I would never, ever get another puppy again but can say from my experience, if you care of the being the way one would care for your own family, it will love you back and show its appreciation tenfold.♥ 1source record 3129
I want to add to this ... WHY do so many couples I know think that it makes sense to get a dog as practice for having children, and then end up with small children and a dog?! My take is you should wait until any kids you want are school aged AT LEAST before getting a dog.♥ 1source record 3150
Wrong, dogs only suck after having children.♥ 1source record 3317
I genuinely think of you have a kid that is younger they are your dog. I don’t mean that in any other way they they are both big responsibilities you have to care for having a first time dog ever while having your first kid sounds like a nightmare♥ 1source record 3356
I loved having dogs when I was single and even loved having them when I was married. Now that I'm married and have kids, as much as I love my big dumb mutt, she's a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with. She naturally wants some attention, so of course as soon as the kids go to bed and we get a moment to chill, NO WE DON'T. It's scritchin' time baby! She takes their place demanding attention when we're both DONE. It's fortunate for her and us that she's getting awfully old these days (pushing 17 which is a lot for a pitt) and mostly just wants to sleep because there's simply no way we could take her along on all our activities like we did before kids when she was much younger. She still comes camping with us, but day trips out are just too much. My wife and I have both decided that when she does go to live on the big farm in the sky, we won't be getting another one until the kids are moved out. We'll probably foster some shelter dogs and "borrow" some when we go out hiking occasionally, but having one around all the time just isn't really good for us or them at this stage of life.♥ 1source record 3376
Yep!!! My 8 YO wants a dog so bad. Not happening. I'm a single mom, we have a cat. Cats are easy and are still a perfectly good pet. He swears that if we got one, he'd take it out and take it on walks etc and I'm sure he would SOMETIMES but he would quickly realize it's a multiple times a day chore... not one and done. And I just can't do it. I grew up with 2 Great Danes and I knew from a pretty young age that I would never have my own dog. I also never was a cat person either but the CDS got me 😂😂😂♥ 1source record 3468
I understand what you mean. It gets worse if you eventually have kids while also having dogs. I wouldn't change this for anything♥ 1source record 3678
I love animals but hate having a pet. My wife loved dogs until we had our first kid and then she just switched off pets entirely and found them disgusting. I personally understand why people have pets but I'm glad we don't have any. The clingyness and constant staring of dogs really upsets me for some reason and the idea of a cat shoveling it's paws into it's box toilet and then walking all over the furniture ain't any better.♥ 1source record 3775
Grew up with dogs my whole life. Thought I’d always want one when I got older. Now I have 2 kids, a home and other adult responsibilities. The last thing I want to do is add more onto my plate by having a dog. I see some friends that have dogs and don’t even have kids yet and are constantly having to sacrifice for them. In some ways it can be more frustrating than parenting it seems.♥ 1source record 3858
I love dogs, ive grown up with them, I’ve had one of my own since just before Covid happened, and she’s been with me through the birth of a child (and soon another one). I could not agree more. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my dog and she’s mine until it’s her time. But when she goes, I’m not getting another one until my kids are grown- and even then, that’s only if my man wants one, because then that’s *his* dog.♥ 1source record 4215
Sort of, yes. We have a 5 year old dog and everything that was cute or no issue with him, changed when we got our first child. The hair, drool, having to go out at least 2x a day, costs of food/health, vacation plans… Somehow it actually doesn’t make sense to have one, except it is a working animal♥ 1source record 4240
Our cat was 22 when she passed away last year. She was with us for 18 years total. We also have two dogs that we adopted back in 2014. We had our daughter in 2023 and having two almost elderly dogs has been exhausting.♥ 1source record 4292
Feeling this. Our dog was good and behaved (minus also shitting all over the yard. His digestions fine he’s just territorial and seems to think he should own an entire acre of land) until we had a baby. First year goes by, he’s fine. All of a sudden out of nowhere a few weeks ago, he is reactive about storms and loud noises, barrels down our kitchen gate (extra tall to keep him out) ate an entire bag of cat food, shit all over the house specifically in my room and now he has to be locked up whenever we’re not home or sleeping. I feel bad but the reactivity is insane, took him to the vet to see if he has a brain tumor or something and he tried to bite the vet. They didn’t find anything but like, entirely random reactivity and the kid likes him more than anyone else and if there’s a loud noise he acts like he’s going to bite her. He’s a pitbull. She’s barely 2. This WILL be my last dog for a long time.♥ 1source record 4367
I feel so bad saying this but we have 2 Bassets that we’ve loved and enjoyed. But since we had our first child 6 years ago, they have become very needy and maybe work responsibilities have also increased. I don’t have capacity any more to give my attention to my family and the dogs. I feel very bad about the whole situation but they are older 12 and 13 years old and have lived a good life.♥ 1source record 4384
We have loved having our 2 dogs for the last 7 or so years. Now that we have a kid I want the dogs gone.♥ 1source record 4413
I absolutely love(d) my dog when I got her and now even with 3 kids. After having my third, my dog is now seven, she is acting out, eating things she's never even been interested in, etc, and she drives me up the wall. I apologize to her 100 times a day. I wish I never got her sometimes because I feel so bad for her. It's like the day my third kid was born she became mental. It's so hard. I will never get another dog again.♥ 1source record 4543
I love my dogs but i deeply regret getting them. Now that i have kids i just see the dogs as a burden on my time and money.♥ 0source record 4589
Totally agree. I had a dog and he passed away at 10. I loved him. But the responsibilities were just too much. I refuse to get another dog for.the family at the cost of mu kids almost hating me for it. I dont care. Never again.♥ 0source record 4591
Im in this boat as well. I dont hate pets but dude. I have 2 kids. I have enough responsibilities, cleaning, monetary obligations, and energy expenditure as it is. I dont need more of it. I love my kids to death and do everything I need for them without complaint. Same cant be said if i had to do it for animal if im speaking frankly lol.♥ 1source record 4635
Having a dog is nice, but once you have kids it's too much. I feel horrible saying it. Once you're rocking a baby to sleep and they bark out the window. Sensory hell.♥ 1source record 4644
Couldn’t agree more!! As a father of 4, the only thing animals do is take time and money AWAY from your wife and children. The kids always want a puppy but don’t actually take care of them and certainly don’t pay for it when it gets parvo, injured, etc. can’t be spontaneous and get a hotel out of town cuz the damn dog, can’t be gone too late, can’t forget to feed/water, etc etc. it’s terrible lol♥ 1source record 4656
I always heard from parents that after they had their kids they started to hate their dog…and I never ever understood that. I still love my dog but omg I’m not getting another now that I have kids 😅 she complicates everything, always in the way, begging for food, destroying toys, knocking him down lol the annoyances are endless♥ 1source record 4684
I've always had pets and have always loved having pets... until my kids were born. They immediate slip down the priority list so they act out, and any grace you had for behavior before the kids were born has gone out the window. My younger dog has adapted pretty well and comes to the office with me 2-3 days a week. My cat and my older dog not so much. Also, my perfect dog who I put down a couple years ago at 14 was, as I said, the literal perfect dog, until he ruptured a disk in his spine and nearly became paralyzed at 10. After that the work increased 5 fold, and dimensia started setting in as well. When they get to the point where every day is a question of whether or not its time to put them down, it reeeally sucks.♥ 1source record 4778
We desperately wanted a dog and it even helped drive our house hunt so we'd get a place big enough to have one one day. However after having kids we've decided to wait a good while and we already have cats which, while relatively low maintenance, are enough work as is. If anything having kids has spoiled us on dogs in general: their lack of awareness and messiness become much more dangerous when little kids are in the mix. Especially since you never know if a dog might have a sudden violent outburst.♥ 1source record 4864
My husband loves her. My feelings are hopefully temporary. We are new parents and the stress of baby has changed my view on pets in general. I loved her before I had the baby but afterwards the extra work she created made me resentful. We still take care of her, we paid for her to get surgery after the attack, she still receives attention. Shes just not my favorite person right now.♥ 1source record 5060
honestly, I agree. I have a dog, and I love my dog, but I will not be getting another dog when he goes, or any pet for that matter. Its hard enough to get out of the house with a kid, with a dog too, its even worse. Always having to worry about getting home to feed the dog or let the dog out.♥ 0source record 5391

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Other people's dogs, and dogs in public42 index entriesThe cost dog ownership imposes on everyone else — pavements, parks, offices, weddings and elderly relatives.
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Other people's dogs, and dogs in public

42 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Paying part of the cost of a dog you do not own

Why readers chose it: 42 records from the people absorbing somebody else's dog. The complaints are pavements and parks, poop bags left in trees or posted into strangers' bins, dogs urinating on a ground-floor flat's plants, dogs taken into shops and restaurants that do not allow them, and one dog defecating along a food queue. Several are social rather than physical: a bridesmaid who left a wedding straight after dinner, a colleague bitten by his own dog leaving a shift short, a family who cannot visit because of a relative's untrained dog. The framing several reach for is that dog ownership pushes part of its cost onto everybody else, and this is where the least sympathetic language in the corpus sits.

What readers reported: I really love dogs but... The fact that their is shit absolutely all over my local town drives me mad. Most people lift the shit sure, but even from a turd being lifted there is a small amount left. Multiply this by dozens each day. Then there are the ones not picked up and this is also a fairly regular event. I sometimes see the poo, then later on when walking near the same spot, see that some unlucky person, or six, have stood on it, so it's no longer a single poo but a succession of squashed demi shits trampled over ten yards. It's grotesque and I'm not sure why this is just ok. Then I go to play football with my young son at the local park. Guess what? Dog shit fucking everywhere. Again, most people lift it but some do not so I'm constantly having to be concerned that my toddler who has no sense will either walk on it, or literally fall in some hidden turd lurking in the grass where we are playing. Rant over. I used to think I wanted a dog but now I know I don't. I don't want to have to deal with the shit and I don't want to contribute to the collective shit all over my town streets.

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My stupid brother decided to drop off a lab/golden retriever mix at my elderly 70 year old+ parents' house. I warned them all over and over and over again that this is NOT the right breed for them. They are narcissists and my brother is their golden child so they told me to f-off and stop being miserable. Well, one month later my mom runs out of the house sobbing because, like I warned her, she was doing most of the work while my dad sat in his chair refusing to help and sulking and raging over the dog. I live with them because I am very ill and my life has been completely ruined by this very needy dog. I love her, and she can be funny, but she is A LOT of work for me who is chronically ill and has tons of health problems. Meanwhile my brother and my dad get together and call us "dramatic" or "psychos" because we're always angry and tired while they do absolutely nothing but sit on the couch and drool over their favorite wrestlers on Sunday. I warned them. I'll never forgive them. Some days I just want to pack up my stuff and leave. But I'll feel bad for the dog leaving her with these idiots.

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> You can't take a dog most places. nowadays dog owners do, because they're entitled dickheads. dog culture is a social cancer at this point

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The worst part is dog owners

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Nothing make you seethe at the narcissistic injustice of bad dog owners like being a responsible dog owner

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> You can't take a dog most places. nowadays dog owners do, because they're entitled dickheads. dog culture is a social cancer at this point♥ 13source record 267
most are also okay to make strangers pick up their slack people have to protect their cats from loose dogs protect their kids from loose dogs protect their yards from dog pee and dog poop make sure that dog owners haven't thrown poop bags in their trash just because dog owners don't care about cleaning up after their pet (not to mention people keeping their dogs unvaccinated, not neutering them, not washing them, not taking care of their nails, not brushing them...)♥ 11source record 289
> First off, the shitting. My god. I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. Imagine how frustrated non-dog owners get at dog owners who let their dogs shit on other people's grass and property!?♥ 6source record 429
It's not just other dogs. People will absolutely rush up and try to pet dogs without asking. I've taken my kids to the park with my dogs, stood a good ways away, and some dipshit kid still wants to run up and practically tackle them while I'm having to try to keep them calm and not simply defend themselves and have to be put down for it.♥ 1source record 1124
One of many reasons that I wish people would just leave dogs at home.♥ 1source record 1129
Nothing make you seethe at the narcissistic injustice of bad dog owners like being a responsible dog owner♥ 1source record 1170
Shitting I was at Costco ordering food at the outside kiosk. This couple walked up to order with their dog. The dog was actively shitting as it walked right next to the tables. One customer even stepped in it. So there was a trail of dog shit in a busy walkway and the lovely smell of shit as people were eating their $1.50 hot dogs. I had to tell the couple, "Hey your dog is shitting." Dogs do not need to go everywhere you go!♥ 1source record 1538
My in-laws have a big dog that...lacks restraint. When they go out of town, they have my 85 year old grandmother in law take the dog to her house. This dog is difficult to walk as she pulls the leash and often climbs on people. My wife and I end up staying at my GIL's, but it's really inconvenient and a big ask. I 100% disagree with having my life revolve around an animal.♥ 1source record 1539
I feel like with cats you can plan around them and at least they are only disrupting your own life. But some weird hivemind consciousness said that dogs are just allowed everywhere. So people who believe they have a sweetie angel doggo just take it as a license to bring them everywhere. Cats can be demons, for sure, I have one sitting by the window. They can't be reasoned with or taught without extremely strict training. I'm just happy that my cat is my problem and mine alone unless I wanna pay for a sitter.♥ 8source record 1571
Man I live in a condo and the amount of dog owners who have no regard for other people is mind boggling. I live in the first floor unit with plants and decorative plants in our patio. Half the dog owners in the building LET THEIR DOGS PEE ON THE DECORATIVE PLANTS.. hello??? I know this is not every dog owner, but I've noticed there are dog owners who SHOULD NOT OWN DOGS. I have 2 cats and they are super chill in my 2bdr 2 bath.♥ 5source record 1658
This is one of the reasons I can't stand some dog owners. Their life revolves around the dog and they make a ton of excuses that they need to get back to the dog blah blah. They come off as antisocial, make up a difference excuse for once♥ 3source record 1745
Oh in California people bring their dogs into the grocery store despite the blatant signs telling them not to… people go rabid when you don’t want to be near dogs.♥ 2source record 1749
we all had to do extra shifts because the fulltime guy got bitten by his own dog, and another girl had to constantly skip shifts to take her issue-prone dog to the vet. So it sucks when it affects everyone else who have nothing to do with it.♥ 2source record 1772
One of my bridesmaids left our wedding early (like right after dinner) because she had to go home to her dogs. Not going to lie, it was kind of insulting, especially since she and her husband make good money and have boarded the dogs overnight before without any issue.♥ 1source record 1818
Or in public places.... Or leave bags of the &+(--#£_ stuff hanging in trees or by paths.♥ 2source record 1855
Having large or medium dogs in the city is stupid. Dog owners who don’t pick up dookies are the fucking worst humans ever. Fuck dog people. You know who you are.♥ 8source record 2013
I love dogs so so so much and have always wanted my own but the more I think about it, the less practical I find it. I have a friend who has 2 and it’s also really annoying when we need to jump through all the hoops just to find a time we can meet to do something that doesn’t involve taking the dogs out. She also gets extremely upset every time they start barking out in public, and that really irks me because while I also don’t like the loud barks, they’re dogs…You train them or you live with it, there’s no need to constantly complain about it 🤷‍♀️ love dogs but couldn’t do it myself♥ 2source record 2119
So the rest of the world is their toilet, everyone else’s problem 😒👎♥ 6source record 2187
each dog is different and comes with their own unique frustrations. i think the worst, universal issue of owning a dog is other dog owners.♥ 2source record 2231
Dog ownership is SO high here in Ireland and so is the amount of dog shit all over the footpaths in my area, you have to look down all the time. I think it's similar to kids, it's so easy and so almost default / 'this is what you do' mentality around having a dog that people don't realise it's actually only specific type of caring and considerate person that can do it. Instead you have every just about anyone having a dog or child and not taking care of the responsibilities it brings.♥ 1source record 2431
The part I hate is every owner thinks their dog is so cute, we love your dog. It’s not. We don’t. Pick up their shit and keep moving. Losers♥ 2source record 2472
My mom lives alone with an extremely needy and energetic dog that she gave up on training. So she never takes him anywhere, not even on a walk. We live in a city two hours away and my wife has an asthma that makes her allergic to dogs. Each time we come to town we have to meet at a cafe or other relative's home. Each time she comes to visit us, she has to turn around and go home after 3 hours because the dog can't stay alone for more than 7 hours. Since she got this dog back in 2022, she has not traveled at all. Zero vacations.♥ 1source record 2674
Sometimes it sucks for other people, as well. Like if you live in the densest / most populated city in the country, and the best-case scenario is that they're urinating all over the sidewalks everyone has to use♥ 1source record 2948
It's unfortunate how many get sold lies. Dogs eat time and won't let you enjoy life. They never grow up. Don't even let me get started on people who casually suggest getting dog as a solution. And the worst thing is how many dogs there are with people who shouldn't have them, bringing them everywhere. Dogs are really problematic animal that doesn't fit our society anymore. The less dog owners the better for everyone.♥ 1source record 3187
atleast you're one of the more responsible dog owners. I fucking hate dog owners most of the time in my area of the country. Like they just have their dogs sit at home all day barking at shit and the moment they get loose they chase someone that's just minding their own business not even infront of the house down the fucking street or just let their dogs bark at every single person that enters the room like it's their fucking job 24/7. half the dog owners I used to see outside just walked around smoking weed while walking their dogs, and then their dog will poop, they'll scoop up the shit but then proceed to throw the bag of dogshit into the bushes, pile them up on an electric box next to a traffic light, fucking put that shit on a picnic table in the park, everywhere but the bin. Then when you walk past them them won't even fucking get them to heel because they're too busy smoking weed and talking on their phone so even if they're on their leash they're just all up on your junk shoving their nose into your crotch or ass like it's perfectly normal.♥ 1source record 3247
I really love dogs but... The fact that their is shit absolutely all over my local town drives me mad. Most people lift the shit sure, but even from a turd being lifted there is a small amount left. Multiply this by dozens each day. Then there are the ones not picked up and this is also a fairly regular event. I sometimes see the poo, then later on when walking near the same spot, see that some unlucky person, or six, have stood on it, so it's no longer a single poo but a succession of squashed demi shits trampled over ten yards. It's grotesque and I'm not sure why this is just ok. Then I go to play football with my young son at the local park. Guess what? Dog shit fucking everywhere. Again, most people lift it but some do not so I'm constantly having to be concerned that my toddler who has no sense will either walk on it, or literally fall in some hidden turd lurking in the grass where we are playing. Rant over. I used to think I wanted a dog but now I know I don't. I don't want to have to deal with the shit and I don't want to contribute to the collective shit all over my town streets.♥ 1source record 3486
My stupid brother decided to drop off a lab/golden retriever mix at my elderly 70 year old+ parents' house. I warned them all over and over and over again that this is NOT the right breed for them. They are narcissists and my brother is their golden child so they told me to f-off and stop being miserable. Well, one month later my mom runs out of the house sobbing because, like I warned her, she was doing most of the work while my dad sat in his chair refusing to help and sulking and raging over the dog. I live with them because I am very ill and my life has been completely ruined by this very needy dog. I love her, and she can be funny, but she is A LOT of work for me who is chronically ill and has tons of health problems. Meanwhile my brother and my dad get together and call us "dramatic" or "psychos" because we're always angry and tired while they do absolutely nothing but sit on the couch and drool over their favorite wrestlers on Sunday. I warned them. I'll never forgive them. Some days I just want to pack up my stuff and leave. But I'll feel bad for the dog leaving her with these idiots.♥ 1source record 3599
The rest of us mostly hate you owning them as well... So could you all just not?♥ 1source record 3676
My dad has a dog, luckily it keeps him occupied as he isn’t working right now.. but I can’t stand him sometimes. I love him, in the way that someone without kids might love to be an aunt, but the loud barking, the eating random shit that could kill him, the begging for food, the pooping and the messing with my cats… I don’t want a dog in the future. I will say though, I find cats more appealing for this reason. Cats come in a lot of different temperaments, are independent, don’t need to be taken outside, just use a litter box, and are quieter. Only thing is if you have a small child, claws are a problem.♥ 1source record 3720
I never realized how not dog-friendly a lot of things are until after I got a dog. Most parks around me aren't dog friendly, for instance.♥ 1source record 3759
People need to be made aware of how much it sucks. And the big problem is it doesn't just suck for you. Lots of negative externalities as well. Dog poo attracts and breeds flies. They bark and wake up neighbors. Dogs are miserable. Dogs should live on farms and have a job. That's where they're happy, and where people are happy to have them.♥ 1source record 3804
I hope you're picking up the dog poop in your yard and not just leaving it there forever.. not only is it a way to dirty your shoes but it also contaminates your water, air, and soil.... I feel like I'm not seeing this in other posts but dog poop left on the ground is one of the easiest and most popular ways to transmit e. Coli and so many other bacterias. it's a major health hazard (especially, but definitely not limited to, if you have well water). Don't leave your dog dookie behind guys.. in your own yard or not.♥ 1source record 3847
Being on holiday with a dog owner sucks. "Oh let's go here this looks a good attraction" - nope it's guide dogs only. "Let's pop in here for a drink or some food" - no dogs allowed, or only at this one small table in the corner. I'm against everywhere being dog friendly btw. I have a relative with a phobia of dogs and feel there are far too many of them around nowadays. Though I don't dislike most of them. Being on holiday with one however is very limiting.♥ 1source record 3885
The worst part is dog owners♥ 1source record 3902
Most hiking of pretty places is off limits for dog owners. It sucks the most for me. Living in california it is state park or national park everywhere.♥ 1source record 4073
My MIL that I lives with is the kind of person who HAS to have a dog even though she’s a terrible owner. Her past dog was older and wasn’t incredibly hard to care for because she was barely able to walk. Well now she has two large dogs that are only one and energetic, and what does she do? Locks them in a cage for up to 16 hours a day. They are only outside or locked in their cage. No love , no walks. She gets pissed at them for barking/ peeing in their cage when that’s a clear sign of neglect. If you can’t handle dogs , DONT OWN THEM.♥ 1source record 4308
I love dogs, I hate dealing with other people’s dogs. A poorly trained dog is one of the most annoying and irritating things to deal with, and it’s tenfold when a stupid human is reinforcing the bad behaviour.♥ 1source record 4441
Grew up with dogs my Whole life with my parents. They still love their animals but damn they are a pain. The other day one got sprays by a skunk, last year they all were attacked by a ground hog. 10 in stitches. They can’t go anywhere without having to find someone to watch them. My son loves them though when he’s there.♥ 1source record 4767
I like my dog, but I kinda don't like other people's dogs. Like other people's kids you just can't do much about their behaviors without feeling like your overstepping.. also puppys are a HUGE burden.♥ 1source record 4788
I was saying this to my mum, dogs are like toddlers but no one’s copping a $300 fine for taking their toddler on the train. My country also seems to have a particular disdain for dogs being literally anywhere except a specific park or at home.♥ 1source record 4968
sure but your neighbors will smell it and probably hate you source: have lived next door to several dog owners who did this and it made my own backyard basically unusable 🤢♥ 7source record 5123
That is entirely up to whether the owner bags and disposes of the poop responsibly.♥ 1source record 5260

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Allergies, and the people who are frightened of dogs10 index entriesA small group whose constraint is not effort at all but exposure, including the owners who worked around it.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Allergies, and the people who are frightened of dogs

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Allergies, and the people who are frightened of dogs

10 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Living around dogs when the constraint is your body or your history

Why readers chose it: 10 records where the limit is not effort. Two describe a dog allergy that varies by coat rather than by size, and the workaround they chose — a yorkie, a papillon, a poodle — even though it produced some of the clingiest dogs in the corpus. The rest are about fear: a commenter whose mother was attacked as a child and is still frightened decades later, and a neighbour so afraid of dogs that the owner across the hall rebuilt her entire leaving routine so the two would never meet. The complaint several of them make is the same one: that being told the dog is friendly is offered as if it settled the matter.

What readers reported: Oh man, when I moved in I learned my neighbor was terrified of dogs, his apt door faces mine. So the universe in its infinite wisdom put me, the lady with two dogs, across from him. I felt so bad. I changed the entire routine I left my house so he would never run into the dogs on accident.

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Oh man, when I moved in I learned my neighbor was terrified of dogs, his apt door faces mine. So the universe in its infinite wisdom put me, the lady with two dogs, across from him. I felt so bad. I changed the entire routine I left my house so he would never run into the dogs on accident.

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I’m allergic to dogs as well. I wanted a poodle since they are hypoallergenic and can be medium to large. Hubby wanted a little dog and didn’t want a poodle. So he decided on the Yorkie. They are incredibly adorable dogs. Just too clingy.

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Oh man, when I moved in I learned my neighbor was terrified of dogs, his apt door faces mine. So the universe in its infinite wisdom put me, the lady with two dogs, across from him. I felt so bad. I changed the entire routine I left my house so he would never run into the dogs on accident.

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I’m allergic to dogs as well. I wanted a poodle since they are hypoallergenic and can be medium to large. Hubby wanted a little dog and didn’t want a poodle. So he decided on the Yorkie. They are incredibly adorable dogs. Just too clingy.

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Have you ever considered a hypoallergenic dog if you love dogs so much? It is so amazing to not be sweeping up fur and dander everywhere

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Yorkshire terriers have hair and don’t affect those with dog allergies. They’re small too if space is an issue.♥ 1source record 782
I'm allergic to some dogs and not others. Generally long haired dogs don't bother me and short haired ones do. I could rub my face on my Papillon right now and be fine, but my family had a boxer growing up who I couldn't even touch without getting rashes. Dog allergies can be weird and only to some dogs.♥ 1source record 789
Have you ever considered a hypoallergenic dog if you love dogs so much? It is so amazing to not be sweeping up fur and dander everywhere♥ 1source record 793
There is so little understanding for people who also have similar traumas. What do you mean you can’t be around dogs? Here,pet mine.He is friendly. I hate dog owners soo much because most suck. It’s like there’s so few good ones♥ 3source record 1031
Oh man, when I moved in I learned my neighbor was terrified of dogs, his apt door faces mine. So the universe in its infinite wisdom put me, the lady with two dogs, across from him. I felt so bad. I changed the entire routine I left my house so he would never run into the dogs on accident.♥ 4source record 1032
Yea that’s really kind from [[account]]([account]) and you don’t often meet these kind of people. My mom was attacked by a group of dogs when she was a kid. Me too but I have no trauma like she does (I just don’t like this animal),but whenever people walk their dogs she would be terrified if it came close. And THEY would act so offended,as if it isn’t the most dangerous animals to humans statistically♥ 3source record 1034
My partner and MIL also have Yorkies. They prefer the breed while I prefer medium to large breeds, but I'm the only one in the equation without pet allergies so hypoallergenic Yorkies it is I guess. They are extremely needy, to the point where even my MIL has become frustrated with them. At least we've worked out the behavioural issues, the Yorkies would try to kill each other on a regular basis before they were spayed.♥ 3source record 1294
I’m allergic to dogs as well. I wanted a poodle since they are hypoallergenic and can be medium to large. Hubby wanted a little dog and didn’t want a poodle. So he decided on the Yorkie. They are incredibly adorable dogs. Just too clingy.♥ 3source record 1295
Feel this post. Adopted my 1 yr old dog 11 yrs ago. My first ever dog. She was abused as puppy. Rescued and fostered but was very anxious scared dog. Never liked males and took a long time to warm up to anyone new. Never aggressive and the most timid and shy thing. I tried to socialize her when she was young, but doggy daycare and working full time is hard and expensive. Then 8 yrs later have a son. He's allergic to dogs. My dog is now 12 has the worst skin due to allergies. We pay thousands dollars a year for her meds. Need special diet. She stinks no matter how many bathes or meds we give her as she's gotten older. When we go on vacation. Only one kennel will take her due to how timid she is. Omg her hair is everywhere. She'll be our last dog due to my son's allergies snd now i understand why my parents never wanted dogs growing up.♥ 1source record 2329
A few of the many reasons I do not want any pets. Plus, I'm allergic.♥ 1source record 2333

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Saying it out loud415 records · 7 sub-topicsWhat this subreddit made possible: regret, rehoming, and the readers who worked through the thread and decided against a dog. 415 records.
Loving the dog and regretting the ownership36 index entriesThe distinction nearly every record here insists on: the dog is not the thing being regretted.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Loving the dog and regretting the ownership

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Loving the dog and regretting the ownership

36 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Holding both feelings at once, and what that actually means

Why readers chose it: 36 records making the same distinction, and it is worth taking seriously because the corpus is otherwise easy to misread. These commenters are not describing a bad dog; several describe a good one in detail in the same comment. What they regret is the arrangement — the resentment, the guilt at feeling it, the sense of a life narrowed around an animal they chose. Several arrive at it late, after a decade and two dogs; several arrive at it because circumstances changed underneath them. The phrasing the card produces most often is some version of loving dogs and not loving owning one.

What readers reported: Yup. It took me 10+ years and 2 dogs of my own before I realized… I LOVE dogs; I do not love OWNING A DOG. They’re sweet and adorable and fun, and generally lovely and amazing animals - but they are so. Much. Fucking. Work. I’m already working full-time in a demanding field, raising two young children, launching a small business, and generally managing our household. We still have one dog who is really my husband’s dog, so he does 99% of the work/care. If it was just me I’d probably never own a dog again, just visit my friends and family who have dogs, or volunteer at a shelter when I need a puppy fix!

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I am with you. I like dogs; I don't want to take care of one. I made this very clear to my husband and 10-year-old daughter. And I got all the promises that they'll do everything and I may need to take her out when I work from home. Well the puppy is 6 months old, not housebroken and I am feeling resentment. It's a huge interruption to my day, which is why I didn't want one. We need to keep her in her pen or she will walk around and have accidents. My husband complains the dog isn't out of its pen enough but I am like she's not housebroken, I don't have time to watch her every second. It's just this vicious cycle. And do you think my daughter is really doing her fair share??? When she is with the puppy, she is on her phone so more accidents! I am really dreading winter, and I get so p\*ssed off when I think about all the stuff that has been ruined in our house. And all the money spent. And how my husband gets stressed about the puppy but he made the big to do about getting her. BOTTOM LINE: you can like dogs, but not like taking care of them.

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I concur that owning a dog is miserable. I don’t hate dogs by any means and I love all the doggos in my life but after my ex and I broke up and it was just me and my cat… omg the relief and peace lol My husband has a dog who I love dearly but the actual caring for him is so annoying when I’m alone lol

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I adopted a puppy last year. He's mixed breed of something. No clue what type he is. Someone asked me if I regretted it recently. I said there's nothing in this world that could take him away from me, but if I knew what I know now, I wouldn't adopt a dog. The lovins he gives and this big baby curling up on me and looking up into my eyes wagging his tail uncontrollably make up for everything, but holy shit does he chew on everything.

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Same situation as you. Never owned a dog, always thought I wanted one. My fiancee got me a dog last year and I fucking hate it. I hate every single things about dog ownership. I'd love to tell you that there's some amazing positive upside to the responsibility and chores and that at least I have unconditional love and a dog I love to death who's my buddy; but to make things worse I realized I just don't connect with animals like others do. I don't see him as my family or my best friend, to me he's just an animal that relies on my for everything and does nothing for me in return other than stress me out. I dont hate the dog, I hate the lifestyle. He's pretty chill.

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Once I was out of college and got a full time dog, I got my first dog on my own. My family always had a dog, but having one that was my solely my responsibility was hard. He was never really clingy and had more of a cats personality than a dogs. He was perfect for me, but I worried about him constantly. It only got worse as he got older. He stressed me out and caused me so much anxiety it was nuts. He made me so happy, but for the sake of my mental health and blood pressure I will never do it again.

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I always grew up with dogs, loved dogs. Then I got my own and like holy fuck was another level of responsibility. I dunno, loved the dog, hated being a dog mom. I have young kids now and I just cannot fathom having one now. I feel like a bad person but they just need so much from you.

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Agreed I hate owning a dog

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Man, I’m with you. I fucking got another one bc we thought the OG dog was going to die in the near future. It hasn’t died, so I now own 2 dogs that I really get no pleasure from.

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Yup. Sounds like my girls. Problem is, I have things I need to get done. I like to get out and about. One of them enjoys riding in the car while the other one hates it. They both have different needs. It’s difficult to do a one size fits all. I truly love them and will never give them up, but in all honesty, I regret taking them on. Not to mention that they have destroyed a once well cared for house. I’ve just been learning to adapt.♥ 5source record 205
I am with you. I like dogs; I don't want to take care of one. I made this very clear to my husband and 10-year-old daughter. And I got all the promises that they'll do everything and I may need to take her out when I work from home. Well the puppy is 6 months old, not housebroken and I am feeling resentment. It's a huge interruption to my day, which is why I didn't want one. We need to keep her in her pen or she will walk around and have accidents. My husband complains the dog isn't out of its pen enough but I am like she's not housebroken, I don't have time to watch her every second. It's just this vicious cycle. And do you think my daughter is really doing her fair share??? When she is with the puppy, she is on her phone so more accidents! I am really dreading winter, and I get so p\*ssed off when I think about all the stuff that has been ruined in our house. And all the money spent. And how my husband gets stressed about the puppy but he made the big to do about getting her. BOTTOM LINE: you can like dogs, but not like taking care of them.♥ 35source record 454
Man I feel guilty even writing this . I got a French bulldog with my ex when we were together, I can honestly say If I knew I’d be single I wouldn’t have got him. I love him to death but he has NOT been an easy dog at all. He’s super reactive, has snapped at many people, and the health issues , hiring a trainer have cost me thousands the past 2 years. My life revolves around him since nobody else is there to let him out watch him etc. he really ties me down. When I leave him I feel guilty. When I get a sitter I have anxiety the whole time . No lie I have a busy career life and I’ve had to take days off work to care for him when he’s injured as well. I don’t think I’ll be getting another dog after.♥ 3source record 474
Yup. It took me 10+ years and 2 dogs of my own before I realized… I LOVE dogs; I do not love OWNING A DOG. They’re sweet and adorable and fun, and generally lovely and amazing animals - but they are so. Much. Fucking. Work. I’m already working full-time in a demanding field, raising two young children, launching a small business, and generally managing our household. We still have one dog who is really my husband’s dog, so he does 99% of the work/care. If it was just me I’d probably never own a dog again, just visit my friends and family who have dogs, or volunteer at a shelter when I need a puppy fix!♥ 2source record 959
Ughhhhh!!! My fiancee got a Pomsky pup and she’s a nightmare and a fucking ninja who’s able to climb out of her dog pen. She even craps in her crate. Well… I have a bichon pup who now has picked up bad habits from the Pom. I’m literally over being a dog owner now.♥ 2source record 972
Agreed. Rescued my first dog in October last year. Her anxiety led her to do stupid things that cost a ton of money. The rounds of random vomiting. Taking her out 3x a day. Can't enjoy taking her to the dog park in the warmer months because she loves the doggy pool too much so she'll drink the water as if she's never seen or tasted it before. Whining two hours later to go potty. Wanting to sniff every goddamn thing on a walkie. Distracted by every dog she sees within 200 ft radius. It's just a lot.♥ 2source record 1448
Yesss! I feel like my life has been set back too. I was never much for domesticated life. But now I’m retired and not as active as I used to be. Thought it was a good time to add a dog to our lives. Boy, you don’t know just how active you really are until you lose your freedom. I’m just going to continue to adapt, while trying to make it work for everyone and every critter.♥ 1source record 1468
I always grew up with dogs, loved dogs. Then I got my own and like holy fuck was another level of responsibility. I dunno, loved the dog, hated being a dog mom. I have young kids now and I just cannot fathom having one now. I feel like a bad person but they just need so much from you.♥ 13source record 1917
Agreed. I love other peoples dogs. Nothing makes me happier than meeting other peoples dogs for like 10 seconds. I honestly borderline despise my 2 dogs though. They literally just cost me money, make everything more difficult, take my freedom, shit and piss. They are sweet, kind, cute dogs. I just don't want them. But alas my wife and kids do.♥ 3source record 1955
I agree. I love my dog. She is 13. She is adorable. She is sweet. She is a great companion and has so much love in her heart. But damn it's so much responsibility it drives me nuts. Going for a walk in the morning and then she not pooping is so annoying, because I know I am gonna come home from work to poop on the floor. And travel is expensive. And she barks a lot. And she needs so much attention. And she never learned to chill, even though she's old now. She prevents me from having friends over since she is such a pain in the ass. Just constantly having to go home to take care of the dog. Drives me nuts. Never will get another dog again.♥ 2source record 2060
Same situation as you. Never owned a dog, always thought I wanted one. My fiancee got me a dog last year and I fucking hate it. I hate every single things about dog ownership. I'd love to tell you that there's some amazing positive upside to the responsibility and chores and that at least I have unconditional love and a dog I love to death who's my buddy; but to make things worse I realized I just don't connect with animals like others do. I don't see him as my family or my best friend, to me he's just an animal that relies on my for everything and does nothing for me in return other than stress me out. I dont hate the dog, I hate the lifestyle. He's pretty chill.♥ 2source record 2073
Agreed. I LOVE my dogs. I would die for them and I would kill for them. But the logistic, financial, mental, and physical burden of two high-need dogs has been so much larger than I could’ve anticipated. In that sense, it’s like having kids, where most plan for an able-bodied and neurotypical child, but if bringing someone into the world (or into your family), you have to be prepared for worst case health/behavior situations that may arise too.♥ 2source record 2074
I adopted a puppy last year. He's mixed breed of something. No clue what type he is. Someone asked me if I regretted it recently. I said there's nothing in this world that could take him away from me, but if I knew what I know now, I wouldn't adopt a dog. The lovins he gives and this big baby curling up on me and looking up into my eyes wagging his tail uncontrollably make up for everything, but holy shit does he chew on everything.♥ 1source record 2102
I have been a dog owner and dog-person my whole life. I used to compete in conformation. My current mutt has a couple of sport titles, and my purebred chihuahua has some points towards his championship. I loved training dogs - everything from sit to recall to weaving between my legs while I walked. I was in the online dog community for years, discussing everything from ethical breeding practices to socialization techniques to the best breeds to own for individual circumstances. I’m 33 and I hate owning dogs now. My passion completely burned out for them the last few years. I love the two that I have and adore their individual personalities. But every bit of passion I have for owning them is gone. I don’t want to train them, I don’t want to take them anywhere, I don’t want to pick up after them or chase them out of the cats’ litter-boxes. They are 7 and 8 years old and I still have at LEAST a decade with the chihuahua left and I hate the thought of taking care of this dog for that long. Of course I love them, so I will, but I just wish so much that I didn’t have them. Not that they would die or that I would rehome them (both of those would gut me), but rather that I never got them in the first place. I just want to live with my cats. Anyways. Yes. Owning a dog does in fact suck. Unless you really like dogs and have a big passion for it. But even then, maybe one day you’ll have a change of heart and no longer enjoy it.♥ 2source record 2147
So, I have a senior dog that Ive had since I he was 3 months old. Even I have frustrations. Having those feelings is sometimes what others would call unpopular. But that's silly. All caregiving is draining. I have 4 kids (1 who has special needs), a husband, a career, a home to manage, and my fur buddy. I am burned out of taking care of lots of things. I get frustrated. I get moody. It can be really hard. That said, and I mean this with the greatest empathy, you sound resentful. And Im willing to bet the resentment is festering. Animals sense that and so do kids. I bet your wife senses it too. The goal then should be to sit with your wife and figure out what works best for you both and your family. Loathing an animal that is trying to participate in what it observes as excited and playful moments, isn't it. Poop in the yard is an issue? Hire a company that picks up poop, or, tell your wife that they need to clean up the poop more frequently outside. Dog eats something it isnt supposed to? Put a muzzle on when its on walks. Keep things a child could put in their mouth off the floor. You have a child already, so this isn't difficult. Animals are basically children. You cant expect them to behave as rational beings. What you shouldn't do is treat the animal with disdain. Maybe thats not how you meant it. It definitely comes off that way.♥ 2source record 2173
Getting a dog was the absolute worst mistake of my life, and I have made a lot.♥ 1source record 2199
I concur that owning a dog is miserable. I don’t hate dogs by any means and I love all the doggos in my life but after my ex and I broke up and it was just me and my cat… omg the relief and peace lol My husband has a dog who I love dearly but the actual caring for him is so annoying when I’m alone lol♥ 2source record 2225
Agreed. I don’t understand how people are obsessed with their dogs. Mine are more of an inconvenience. I have moments of feeling close to them and I do care for them, but the poop, the shedding, the barking, etc. I simply don’t have time for them either because I work six days a week, have an autoimmune disease that makes me extremely tired and I have three kids so I feel bad that they don’t get the stimulation and exercise they probably need. I don’t think I’ll get anymore after they’re gone.♥ 2source record 2317
I own a dog. Frankly, yeah it does suck. I’m constantly worried about what she’s getting into, whether or not she’s going to the bathroom outside or not, and it’s really hard to travel. But, I do love her to death. It’s kinda like having a kid. And it makes me not want kids lol.♥ 1source record 2342
I have said this for years. I love dogs but I absolutely hate owning them. I will happily love all over everyone else’s pups.♥ 1source record 2519
Agree! My two little terrier dogs drive me INSANE. Everything you mentioned is 100x more annoying with terriers plus they want to kill every other little animal they see. And they are both at an age where larger breeds would be ready for the long sleep, 11 and 12, but are STILL HYPER AND FULL OF ENERGY AHHHHH. I seriously think they are going to outlive me. The mantra in house is "NO MORE DOGS!!" we just say that to cope. Also one has terribly ongoing skin issues that requires expensive meds and creams and frequent bathing. Even with all that our house stinks. At least she has a good personality. The older smaller one is a high-strung, bitey asshole who will also emotionally shut down at the slightest bit of discipline. Honestly more than anything it's the weird emotional things they do. No amount of reading and research tells you that dogs can just be extremely emotionally fragile and weird and hyper-sensitive and if their fragile little ego's get damaged they turn to self-harm in the form of excessive licking and chewing or it upsets their stomachs and they eat grass then come inside to barf it in some corner. Or like you are mad at something unrelated but he thinks it must be him and goes and stands in the corner of the yard with his eyes bugging out and refusing to come indoors. He has never been physically disciplined or abused he is just THAT sensitive. You have to go outside sometimes and shepherd him back to the house while he skitters around like a nervous deer. God. Honestly they are awful animals to live with. Rat terriers if you are curious. Honestly they aren't even very dog-like in many aspects, its more like some sort of cat-deer mix that constantly teeters on the edge of fear and the desire to hunt and kill.♥ 1source record 2529
I am an avid animal lover and I 100% agree with you! I'm at the age where I'm completely burnt out taking care of everyone and everything, my kids are older and out and about so the pets don't get much attention any more, I'm the only one who feeds and cleans up after them and they are the biggest and most constant source of mess in my house and yard. I absolutely cannot wait to be pet free and never have an animal in my house again!♥ 1source record 2612
My wife thought I hated dogs. I don’t. I fucking love dogs. The problem is I don’t love them more than I hate what comes with them. The daily responsibility isn’t where it ends. Ours is 7 now with rare challenging diseases. But I fucking love her so she gets support. Currently our whole life is turned upside down for a dog and I’m trying to hold down work and my own humanity. But the dog saved me during covid. So yeah the most real love hate relationship in the world in my opinion.♥ 1source record 2704
I have a love hate relationship with my dog. I love her very much but I got to deal with all of her things after separation and I work many hours. I’m not a enthusiastic walker and I battle with depression and AuDHD. But I’ll never forget that many days my dog and cats made it worth it and are one of the most strong reasons I still live♥ 1source record 2768
I have a Boston Terrier, aka Boson terrorizer. I love her very much but often find myself wondering why I thought getting her would be a good idea.♥ 1source record 2772
I had a family dog when my kids were growing up and he died in 2023, I didn’t want a dog for a while because I didn’t want to take care of anything. I got in the mood and got a puppy this year, and you are right. He is a good enough puppy. But it’s some thing to take care of, spend time on. And what I get out of it is smaller. Not to mention the cost. I’d probably not do it if I could go back. I’m stuck now, but I concur♥ 1source record 2997
This is all so true. They’re a real pain. A huge blessing and a gift for god but holy hell are they a an adorable pain in the ass. After my big dogs passed from old age, I swore I wouldn’t get another dog for at least a decade. Whelp my mom died suddenly and I ended up with her animals. A cat- eh easy. And a little shitzu Pekingese yorkie mix named Murphy. What a moody little shit. I love him of course and I will take the best care of him but I’m not thrilled about it. lol thanks mom!♥ 1source record 3019
I have zero hobbies because dog. But she’s my world lol never again♥ 1source record 3235
Agreed! I regret ever getting dogs but I also love them and would never mistreat them. Feeding, walking, playing, medical bills. I can't travel anywhere by plane with my husband and daughter because someone has to stay home with the dogs. They are children that never grow up and leave. I have two and I will never get dogs again.♥ 1source record 3357
absolutely. i love my dog very much but i also hate him. i also hate many of the irresponsible dog owners i’ve encountered since getting a dog. i trust NO ONE♥ 1source record 3466
Once I was out of college and got a full time dog, I got my first dog on my own. My family always had a dog, but having one that was my solely my responsibility was hard. He was never really clingy and had more of a cats personality than a dogs. He was perfect for me, but I worried about him constantly. It only got worse as he got older. He stressed me out and caused me so much anxiety it was nuts. He made me so happy, but for the sake of my mental health and blood pressure I will never do it again.♥ 1source record 3523
Agreed I hate owning a dog♥ 0source record 3746
I grew up with a dog. Knew the requirements. Was ready for the work. Purchased the dog. Hate owning the dog The dog is well looked after but absolutely destroys the lifestyle we want. His needs are appropriately prioritized but we will never own another. There are always things that you won't expect. I saw another post about a dog getting attacked and becoming reactive. But did you ever consider that the dog you purchased my mature into one that screams like a human being murdered every moment of being in a moving vehicle. Did you consider that your dog may suffer from separation anxiety and need to go to daycare instead of lay around your home all day? Didnyou consider that that anxiety could progress to where he gets kicked out of day care and the stress of staying home means you need to clean up diahrea semi regularly upon returning home from work? Did you know that dog kennels are booked up to a year in advance and if you dont jump on that then the dog is coming with you to that out of town wedding because your family and friends hate your poo-dog and won't dog-sit? Surprise motherfucker!♥ 1source record 4248
Hard agree. I wanted a dog all my life, finally got one at almost 30 and I absolutely fucking regret it. She's a neurotic twat but I don't believe in dump dogs just cause their personality sucks. Ughh fml♥ 1source record 4491
Honestly the 2nd worst mistake we ever made was having a dog the number 1 biggest mistake was not learning from that and breeding her now we have 3 bloody mistakes 😂 I love them and give them the best life but honestly I’m counting down the 20 years like a advent calendar♥ 1source record 4817
Man, I’m with you. I fucking got another one bc we thought the OG dog was going to die in the near future. It hasn’t died, so I now own 2 dogs that I really get no pleasure from.♥ 1source record 4881

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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Rehoming, returning and surrendering

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Situation: Deciding the arrangement cannot continue, and finding the dog somewhere else

Why readers chose it: 31 records from people who stopped, and they are notably less defensive than the thread around them. The reasons are specific: a boxer puppy that consumed the entire day until a seven-year-old told his father he could spend time with him again; a whippet whose exercise needs outran a marathon runner; a dachshund rehomed after six years; a dog rehomed after a baby arrived and it stopped tolerating the cats; a dog surrendered back to the shelter it came from. Several report the outcome — photographs from the new home, a relief they describe without apology. The dissent inside the card is from a commenter being advised to rehome, who answers that the reality of it is bleak.

What readers reported: Not unpopular. At least not with me. We got a boxer puppy. Super sweet puppy and later a super sweet young dog. But oh my fucking God she was all consuming. At the time I was not working and all day, I was committed to her. First thing in the morning and last thing at night, I was parenting the dog. When we finally rehomed her, my 7 year old son said, "now you can spend time with me daddy ".

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We had a pure-bred black lab when I was a kid. My dad's coworker bought him and basically ignored him in his backyard for a year. He then got a Doberman and decided he didn't want the lab anymore. He was a great dog and was friendly to everyone, except the UPS drivers. We think one of them sprayed him one day and he associated it with the big brown truck after that.

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It has been working for 3 years. The reality of rehoming is bleak.

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Not unpopular. At least not with me. We got a boxer puppy. Super sweet puppy and later a super sweet young dog. But oh my fucking God she was all consuming. At the time I was not working and all day, I was committed to her. First thing in the morning and last thing at night, I was parenting the dog. When we finally rehomed her, my 7 year old son said, "now you can spend time with me daddy ".

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Not unpopular. At least not with me. We got a boxer puppy. Super sweet puppy and later a super sweet young dog. But oh my fucking God she was all consuming. At the time I was not working and all day, I was committed to her. First thing in the morning and last thing at night, I was parenting the dog. When we finally rehomed her, my 7 year old son said, "now you can spend time with me daddy ".

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Yep. I had dogs for a few years and then got rid of them. My last one decided she wanted to chase horses. Not aggressively or anything just wanted to run with them and my horses told her to f off. I will never own another dog.

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accounting for all the dogs that are given up at the shelter, this opinion might not be as unpopular as we think. ill hold my tongue on how much i love my amazing dog, im sure we hear too much of that from owners already 😅

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Not unpopular. At least not with me. We got a boxer puppy. Super sweet puppy and later a super sweet young dog. But oh my fucking God she was all consuming. At the time I was not working and all day, I was committed to her. First thing in the morning and last thing at night, I was parenting the dog. When we finally rehomed her, my 7 year old son said, "now you can spend time with me daddy ".♥ 8source record 460
I have two doodles from shelters because they got dropped off at young ages. Bananas that those owners probably paid thousands of dollars for them. People think doodles are adorable and do nothing else, it’s so irresponsible.♥ 2source record 893
Yes! The worst part is seeing all of the dogs looking for homes on Nextdoor. Mainly because the owner is too busy.♥ 2source record 950
We had a pure-bred black lab when I was a kid. My dad's coworker bought him and basically ignored him in his backyard for a year. He then got a Doberman and decided he didn't want the lab anymore. He was a great dog and was friendly to everyone, except the UPS drivers. We think one of them sprayed him one day and he associated it with the big brown truck after that.♥ 1source record 1004
The hardest part for me is doing everything right- adopting a dog in need. Then listening to others in my life explain how much they paid a breeder for the pick of the litter. Then reading about local shelters are overwhelmed again this time of year from pet owners who decide it's too much trouble, or the dog doesn't make for great content, or its too hot outside to manage. It's ignorant and abusive.♥ 1source record 1172
lmao my marathon running cousin had to re-home her whippet because she was so needy and high energy that even my cousin couldn't keep up. It was constant for 12-14 hours per day. She had to pay for doggy daycare every day because if she left her home alone, she'd wreck the house. They're literally hunting dogs.♥ 3source record 1214
If I had a guess it was because he would drool a lot. He also had extreme anxiety that would cause him drool a lot. Medication didn't help, we had multiple dog trainers with him and that didn't help. I'm thankful everyday he was rehomed. He was sweet most of the time but living with that dog was pure hell. He loved me the most because I gave him a lot of attention and walks and even then I didn't trust him. He would sometimes grow and snap at me. Nothing really seemed to help even help from the rescue with their dog trainers and other dog training we took him to.♥ 3source record 1219
My mom spent $700 on a Yorkie and I ended up having to take care of it for 8 or so years we had it. I hated that dog so much. I ended up meeting someone who loved him and I jokingly offered for her to take him and that was that. (She had a few other small dogs thst were very well cared for). She texts me pictures of him occasionally and he looks happy and I have never been more relieved.♥ 2source record 1352
My dog is currently sleeping on a pillow next to me and super content, that's what makes it worth it, but yeah it's a massive responsibility. She was abandoned by her original owner and this is something I see all the time as dogs age, I see people trying to get someone else to look after them because it's a huge responsibility. Note: Your friend going overseas who just needs someone to look after a dog for a year or two is never going to take them back.♥ 1source record 2280
I just surrendered my dog back to the shelter I got her from six years ago. She was a great dog, not a lot of work but a constant constraint as I was the only one taking care of her. I feel a little guilty but things are much easier.♥ 1source record 2288
Find a good place to rehome the dog, before kid gets too attached. Enjoy your neighbors dogs.♥ 1source record 2356
I stuuuupidly got a dachshund puppy about 13 years ago… he lasted six years with us before being rehomed to someone who actually understands dogs. He was sweet but sooooooo needy and SO LOUD and he refused to go poop outside if it was raining. 😭 I do like dogs, but I learned my lesson, cats only for me!♥ 2source record 2383
I wanted a dog when I was 11, then I got the dog, then I sucked at taking care of it and my dad, who got me the dog, fucking hated the dog. We had to give her away after she bit someone and I still am traumatized and loathe my 11 yr old self for how I treated her and the situation she was in. 10 years later, my brother, way more irresponsible than me, gets a dog. Before he gets the dog, I urge this dude to make sure that he will do everything that is needed for that dog when he comes. It was a lab and labs need a lot of activity so I was talking about making sure that he goes on daily walks, and that sort of thing. Also, for some reason, my dad, who hates dogs, got him the dog. Anyway, he gets the dog and the dog literally just becomes household furniture. He wakes up, take the dog out, comes back inside, plays video games the entire day while the dog runs around and never walks this fucking dog. He believes that him finding the dog cute and petting him over and over again in the occasional loving burst is the same as taking care of the dog. But that dog is neglected. Even now seven years later in 2016, my younger brother is now 20 years old, and he still will not take this dog out on walks because he is playing video games. Owning a dog can definitely suck, especially if you are not willing to actually take care of the dog in the way that it needs to be taken care of.♥ 2source record 2391
Yeah find someone who will love the dog. Anything positive or just pure negativity? At least you have a backyard, imagine living with total idiots in a building and using the elevator 3 times a day for 12 years straight. Imagine taking your dog to the park at 4 am and letting her off the lease only to get chased by some city officials trying to give you a ticket. It was the best dog I ever had but I did the right thing and found people with a house that love dogs no matter what. You have a house and hate her, so find someone that will love her. Dogs can sense when something is off♥ 1source record 2585
Sounds like you will eventually have to make a decision about the feasibility of finding another home for one of these dogs. It's not safe or harmonious to anyone in your household if two large dogs cannot live together without injurious fighting between them. That's not acceptable and many dogs do get along well. Someone will get hurt.♥ 1source record 2828
It has been working for 3 years. The reality of rehoming is bleak.♥ 1source record 2984
Yeah, it does. Too few people acknowledge this. People think it'll be all fun- until then get one, then dump it back at the shelter when they're over it.♥ 1source record 3271
OP, re-home your dog to someone who wants to have her in their life. Jesus.♥ 1source record 3604
I think this goes along with the point that not everyone should be a dog owner. My sister in law got a dog on a whim because my husband and I were getting one. The dog had to live with her parents for 4 years.♥ 1source record 3673
I feel this. Don’t get me wrong, I love our dogs…. and our cats and our fish and our hamster lol But the dogs are definitely the most work. I rehomed my last dog after I had my son because he never really got along with my cats. I had two when I got him. One passed when I was pregnant, so it was just him and one cat. After my son was born, anytime the dog was laying by me and the baby and the cat come near, he would chase him. One time he jumped over the baby and that was my last straw. My friend took him and he lived out the rest of his life in a cat free home. Fast forward to last year. We finally decided to get another dog. She was a 9 month old American bully free on Facebook. So sweet but clingy as shit. So genius me is like let’s get her a buddy. After having her for 9 months by herself, we got our boy at 8 months old. He’s a bully mix and a crackhead. They are psychotic together. It’s always WWE in my house now. And double the poop. And the boy still pees on the floor sometimes. It’s exhausting. And now we need a dog sitter if we go anywhere when before with the cats only, we didn’t need a sitter. I don’t know why I torment myself like this with all the responsibilities, but I really do love those little a holes!♥ 1source record 3884
We had a dog for 2 months, it was the worst 2 months of my life. Fortunately we found a nice family to adopt him, they clearly love him very much and would often send pics and videos of him. For reference I have 2 kids, the dog was way more stressful. At least I know I’m not a dog person, we have 2 cats and 2 chickens now and life is good 😌♥ 1source record 3975
accounting for all the dogs that are given up at the shelter, this opinion might not be as unpopular as we think. ill hold my tongue on how much i love my amazing dog, im sure we hear too much of that from owners already 😅♥ 1source record 3982
You can always rehome the doggie♥ 1source record 4034
I accidentally adopted a tiny chihuahua- 3lbs. He was with my bfs family and when I moved in with them I saw he was being neglected-as was the other dog -King Charles spaniel- that was left behind by bfs ex wife. Rehomed the spaniel who was still young and needed a proper home with attention and training. He was wicked smart. I felt if he had thumbs he would be dangerous lol. So I took over this tiny force of nature and he made my life so much better! It was so easy to care for him. To see him come alive and have joy and his see personality evolve was heart melting. He was already an older dog and I was lucky to have had the few (4) years with him before he passed away in my arms. He was so small that I took him everywhere and he was so happy to get attention and love. He was amazing. I do think but was probably easier for me because he was so small. I couldn’t have had the same experience with a larger dog for sure. Plus his poops were tiny too, so there’s that bonus lol♥ 1source record 4153
Absolutely does suck, wiith my kids growing older and moving out we cannot travel like we want due to our dogs. They are awesome doggos but our lives are changing and we are going to surrender them very soon. There are choices you can make to alleviate the tax owning a dog comes with. The shit and piss on concrete has my backyard wrecked and the hair inside the house is ridiculous. Once we made them exclusively outside dogs i knew they were on thier way out. As soon as we get rid of them, we will be able to enjoy our pool and patio to the fullest extent....and unpopular opinion I cant wait.♥ 1source record 4210
I work in rescue and support this statement. SO many dogs are "returned" to shelters and fosters because they look cute and the owner didnt think through how much work it can be and money it can cost, especially if they get sick. Ownership is for life — that is a real commitment.♥ 1source record 4364
Owning many dogs is much better. Listen, either you love dogs or you don't. I think you don't. Find someone to love this dog. Someone trusted because there are lot of not-to-be-trusted people out there when it comes to animals.♥ 1source record 4662
You first and second reasons were the reason why I shipped my German shepherd off to my in-laws for peace of mind. They had another German shepherd btw.♥ 1source record 4766
Yeah, a few years ago I adopted a nice big doofy dog, and at the end of a week I was already in love with her. Then she tried to chase a squirrel while she was on a leash and I almost fell. That same day I returned her to the shelter, crying. If an owner can't physically control a dog, the owner shouldn't be an owner. The world didn't ask you to get a dog, so sack up and deal with it intelligently. Which includes giving it up if you can't control it.♥ 1source record 5000
i kind of know i have to rehome her and soon, but i worry about where she'll end up♥ 2source record 5057
Yep. I had dogs for a few years and then got rid of them. My last one decided she wanted to chase horses. Not aggressively or anything just wanted to run with them and my horses told her to f off. I will never own another dog.♥ 0source record 5392

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What readers reported: I won’t do it again! Loved my dog, she lived a great life for 14 years, but I would never do it again.

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I agree. I absolutely loved and adored my dog and was super devoted to him while he was alive, but never again. It's so much work and responsibility. I have zero interest in ever picking up dog shit, cleaning up drool, managing fur all over everything, etc. I personally don't understand why more people don't say that owning a dog sucks, but I guess I'm really just not a dog person bc it seems I'm in the minority opinion here

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Agree and i never want another one. I got a puppy when I was 12 and had her until I was 26, ruined all the carpets in my apartment, vet bills $$…. I’m good. People are like “my dog needs surgery it’s $6k”. No thanks!

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I had a German Shepherd for 10 years. Great dog and I don't know if I'll ever get over losing her, but I probably won't ever get another dog. They are a ton of work and although I had mine really trained, she was still a handful. I had to board her when traveling (which sucked because she was an aggressive dog w/ other dogs), the vet was expensive and the barking was one thing I couldn't train out of her. Miss my pup, but yeah...never again.

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I love dogs and unfortunately, my pug passed away 4 years ago. However, there is not a bone in my body that wants a dog right now. I might feel differently in a few years but they really tie you to the house!

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I've had dogs my whole life, it's only in the last few years I've decided, nope, not for me anymore. They're annoying, wreck shit and I just get nothing out of having a dog anymore. There's no longer a benefit for me personally. I used to rehabilitate dogs to find their forever homes and pretty much always had two dogs of my own since I was little. I'm 35 now and just have no interest anymore, just don't like dogs anymore.

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I won’t do it again! Loved my dog, she lived a great life for 14 years, but I would never do it again.

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I highly agree with this. It is a lot of responsibility and people should really consider having animals as much as they have kids. I love my dogs to death but I think because of the responsibility I would never do it again but the comments on here worry me on how much they love their dogs

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I can’t wait until we don’t have a dog anymore

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Thats the biggest problem with dogs. You can't explain anything to them, and they never grow up. They just exhibit the same behavior their whole life, and it can be difficult or impossible to fix them. Dogs just aren't for me after my elderly dog finally died a few years ago. I missed him for a while but my anxiety is much reduced without a dog.♥ 30source record 146
I won’t do it again! Loved my dog, she lived a great life for 14 years, but I would never do it again.♥ 991source record 224
Would liquidate everything to have her back. Don't think I'll ever have another one.♥ 40source record 244
Agree. I love the dogs I've had over the years, but I will not be getting another for the foreseeable future. Travel is far more difficult and expensive. Dog health is incredibly stressful and expensive. The constant need for exercise are difficult in bad weather. The cleaning for both the dog and my house are constant and it's still evident that a dog lives in the house. The stress of constantly watching other dogs and owners on walks, while making sure your dog doesn't do anything stupid is brutal. Overall dogs are wonderful companions but the logistics of being a dog owner, especially solo, are absurd and so expensive. Having dogs is somehow the default in America and I don't understand how, when it is so intensive to be a GOOD dog owner.♥ 138source record 285
Totally agree. OP is just expressing what the rest of us keep as inside thoughts. I loved my dog and I was devastated when she passed. But almost two years later it’s hard for me to imagine having another dog. One because it’s unfair to that dog because I will constantly compare them to my girl. Two because my fur tumbleweed free floors make me happy. If I could bring specifically her back I would in a heartbeat, but literally only her.♥ 4source record 297
I hear you dude. I love dogs but I will not own another dog. My first dog was a Boxer and awesome af. Just a unicorn of a dog. Grover was his name and he was magnificent. Sadly, he was stolen right out of my front yard. It probably wasn't hard either. He loved new people and if you had a truck and lowered the tail gate he'd jump right in. When I'd go to work I'd let him stay in our chain linked fence front yard. I lived in a VERY rural area with no neighbors for miles around. I didn't think anything would happen. Well, hunting season happened and my area home area becomes really busy. I'm positive a out of town hunter stole him. I apologize for that tangent. Anyways, my next dog was less than amazing. My ex wife bought another Boxer without discussing it. Bella she named it and she was a HANDFUL. Separation anxiety, always licking(a nervous tic) listened only half the time regardless of training, loved to shit on the front porch steps. We couldn't leave her in the front yard or house during work because she would go absolutely bat-shit insane(,the separation anxiety thing) and destroy anything not bolted down. I absolutely 💯 loathed that dog and that made me feel horrible because it's just a dog. I re-homed her with my Father in law. It was perfect because he was retired and took her everywhere with him. That was what she needed and I couldn't do that. Anyways, the experience made me where I won't get another dog until retirement.♥ 12source record 376
I use to love dogs. I still do, just not to keep. I told the wife our last one was it. I use to love dogs and hate cats. Now its the opposite. As far as living conditions. The older I get the less I want to deal with a dog. You have to be around constantly. Take them out every morning and then every so often etc. Even then, they will still randomly piss or crap in your house cause its wet outside or cause they just didn't want to go for the 45min you were outside. Training is always fun. Learning tricks and having obedience. But still. Just the general upkeep is taxing. The cats. Just make sure they got food and water and they do their own thing. Come and see you and hang out when they want to and cuddle up and chill most the time. And empty the litter boxes once a day and its whatever. Soooooo much simpler. Ive had dogs my entire life. Im 40yrs old now. And im just done with them. Edit. Forgot to add. Mini vacations and outings. We can be out all day now and not worry about rushing home to let the dog out. We can set the cats up and be gone for 3 days or more and have a friend just come by and empty the litter boxes. Im sure im forgetting more.♥ 91source record 377
After my 2 current dogs pass, I do not want anymore dogs. They are the biggest pains in the ass and drive me nuts lol. Cats are more my speed♥ 56source record 398
My dad made me have an akita/husky mix and a husky as a teenager. I loved them but fuck i never wanted dogs again after they passed♥ 1source record 827
I loved my dog to tears. I cried super hard after he passed. And when my friend asked ‘do you missed owning a dog’, I replied with a ‘hell no’.♥ 3source record 846
I will never get another dog after this. My Shih-tzu/Yorkie is a nightmare!! I haven’t had a decent nap in 8+ years. He drives me insane when I’m with him and when I’m away from him I’m sad and want him with me. WILD!!! 😩 Never ever ever ever ever again!♥ 3source record 862
Yeah I wish I knew this before getting my Yorkshire Terrier. Wonderful dog but my goodness it’s a lot of work. I love her to death but would never do this again♥ 2source record 870
I highly agree with this. It is a lot of responsibility and people should really consider having animals as much as they have kids. I love my dogs to death but I think because of the responsibility I would never do it again but the comments on here worry me on how much they love their dogs♥ 1source record 918
I had cats all my life. When I lost my last one and our circumstances changed to allow the possibility of a dog, I wanted to try. I'm an animal person, I didn't want to die without experiencing a dog in my life! Well, I do love our girl but I won't do it again. Her reactivity was unexpected (I won't walk her without my husband present) & she also hates being alone. (She'll often be annoyed if I'm just trying to weed the front garden.) We have sacrificed a lot. It's an ok time in our life to manage this, but we won't do it again. I do feel like I got swept up into the social media romanticising of dogs.♥ 1source record 1084
Yeah exactly, that’s probably my #1 reason I may never own a dog again - while I may be a responsible dog owner, some other people really fucking suck. I love dogs and do miss having one ever since my lab mix passed away last year at the age of 14, but damn, just so many unknowns.♥ 1source record 1149
We just said goodbye to our dog who lived a wonderful 15 year life. We will never get another one. How badly the average dog owner sucks is one of the primary reasons why. I'm saving myself the aggravation.♥ 1source record 1183
both my dogs died last year (lived great lives and passed at 13 and 14 years old) - there were some great times, but i'm never doing that again lol♥ 3source record 1393
This is me. I adore my golden. She’s two. She’s amazing. She’s smart and funny and beautiful and a bit cheeky. But I will never, ever, have another dog in my whole life. Ever.♥ 2source record 1414
I can say the same. I have worked hard to give my dog the best life possible and there are aspects I will miss , but I'm not getting another dog. He is the best dog, but it has been so much work and I have had to give up a lot because I own him. I love cats and will continue to own them, but not another dog.♥ 2source record 1415
Same. Love our 14-year-old German shepherd/husky, but when she “moves on” we’re one and done. First and last dog.♥ 2source record 1418
This. I love my dog too, but don't think I would get another. She's pretty calm too. Only issue is takes WAY too long on walks. Like she'll be outside two hours if you let her.♥ 3source record 1432
Same for me. I absolutely loved my cocker spaniel and I love dogs in general, but having a dog is a full lifestyle if you actually care about them, and it's not one I want nor can provide at the moment. I don't think I will have a dog as long as I live alone and have a full-time job. I have a cat at the moment and this suits me much better. I'll stick to enjoying other people's dogs.♥ 3source record 1434
This is where we are. The dog is 12. We’re counting down the months until we can go on a real vacation and not have to go out in weather every few hours and plead for an animal to please just shit so we can go back inside. I love the dog will all my heart and soul but never EVER again.♥ 4source record 1438
Love my bulldog, our second one after our last one passed away in 2015. Likely our last dog for a long time if ever again. Traveling is difficult (and costly to find someone to watch her), the shedding, the food expense, vet bills, insurance, etc.♥ 3source record 1946
I have a 12 year old heeler aussie and a 10 year old pit aussie. They are pretty damn good dogs, but once they are gone, I'm 100% done with pets in general. Having two kids under 3 doesn't help. Ugh. I know how you feel and I'm not judging you at all. Dog people can be pretty ridiculous so don't let them make you feel bad.♥ 2source record 2005
Lmao, I have to agree. Yes, theyre friendly furry companions, but they are also a massive pain in the ass. I dont find its worth it. Our 1st set of pups will be our last.♥ 3source record 2020
I'll preface this by saying I have loved all of my dogs and I miss them terribly....... That being said, I am without a dog for the first time in 30 years, and it is nice. No constantly bathing a dog to still have my house smell faintly like dog no matter how much I clean, no taking the dog out to potty when the weather is bad, no dog sick surprises, as you've said, no poop in the yard to clean up or step in, no one begging for every scrap of food I eat, get together are much more calm, no barking randomly or when someone knocks on the door. Im sure theres more, but I didnt realize how much stress my dogs were actually causing me until I didn't have one 😂 I still would have had them, but its quiet in my house and that is fantastic.♥ 3source record 2022
Yup. My family’s dog passed over a month ago and it sucked as I was the closest to the dog and vice versa. I’ve had a dog my whole life. My neighbors got a new golden lab pup and when I seen the dog it made me want to get my own dog. But getting over that initial want, I now focus on the 7-8 poos, the multiple holes dug, the yellow burnt patches of grass, the mess from things the pup had ripped up, the barking in the middle of the night. I love dogs but they are a massive commitment that you can not take lightly.♥ 3source record 2023
Yeah. I love my dog so much. He is 5 years old now. I won’t be getting another dog after him.♥ 2source record 2040
God I love this sm. It’s like if you say this people call you cruel. I do not see myself ever owning another dog. I have three kids. When they are gone I don’t need another thing to spend money on to keep alive.♥ 2source record 2080
I love dogs and always had a dog but I'm over it. Once our current dogs passes away we are taking a break from dog ownership, for many of the reasons you mentioned, but mainly because the cost of responsible ownership has gotten too high.♥ 2source record 2149
When I was growing up my Mom had 13 dogs (yes, all at one time.) I loved them so much. They were my best friends. But it was SO much work taking care of them all, and my Mom worked so much that it was often me doing my best to take care of them. Now, as an adult, I have two cats and I'm just so perfectly content with that. My family thinks I "hate" dogs since I don't ever want to have one again, and honestly it's made me feel kinda guilty. I'm so happy to see so many comments here validating my feelings that just because I don't want the responsibility of taking care of them doesn't mean I hate them.♥ 2source record 2152
I never had a dog until I was married. My husband grew up with dogs so he thought it was only natural to get one too once we bought a home. At the time I thought I was a dog person, and I am, I’m just now realizing that I’m not a pet person. So once this dog passes away we will not be getting another.♥ 2source record 2163
Love my dog very much, but she's also a major pain in the ass. Don't know if I'll ever get another one when this one is gone.♥ 2source record 2164
Hard agree. I love my cat and my dog but im done with pets when they pass…♥ 1source record 2200
Agreed. Never ever again. The vet, the expensive apoquel, the poop, the groomer, etc etc etc. I can’t believe people enjoy this?♥ 2source record 2209
i have a great dog, rescued off the street as a pup, and is an adorable mutt filled with american pit, mastiff, pitbull, boxer…even chihuahua. she is sweet,affectionate,well behaved, fun, great with kids, smart, a good guard dog, friendly with strangers and even handles the vet well. i don’t think she has a bad bone in her body. plus, she is completely healthy. would i ever get another dog? no. no more cats either. done done done done.♥ 2source record 2388
I am passionate about dogs. Passionate. But I don't think I want to own one ever again. They are just such a massive responsibility that you never get a reprieve from. Leave them with a sitter to go on vacation and you just spend the entire time worrying about them. Can't be out of the house and leave them alone for long. It's like having a kid.♥ 1source record 2499
As a HUGE animal lover, this is real. I have 2 dogs and a cat. The dogs are so much work between the shedding, dirtiness from going outside and rolling around constantly, etc. The vet bills… dear god I love both of my dogs more than anything, but I’m not sure if I’ll have another one after them…♥ 1source record 2533
I love dogs and unfortunately, my pug passed away 4 years ago. However, there is not a bone in my body that wants a dog right now. I might feel differently in a few years but they really tie you to the house!♥ 2source record 2565
We just put down our last dog and the freedom is wonderful. Yes, we miss him, but he was old and failing and ready to go. What I didn't realize was how much of my life was dedicated to and thinking about him. Feeding time, walks, poop patrol, vets, dog sitter, travel, grooming/nails/teeth, accidents/occasional throw up, vacuuming up dog hair, letting him in and out, buying dog food, his medicine, his fear of thunderstorms/fireworks, barking at the delivery person, etc. The house is terribly quiet and everyone asks if we'll run out and adopt another. No, we won't.♥ 1source record 2622
I agree. I absolutely loved and adored my dog and was super devoted to him while he was alive, but never again. It's so much work and responsibility. I have zero interest in ever picking up dog shit, cleaning up drool, managing fur all over everything, etc. I personally don't understand why more people don't say that owning a dog sucks, but I guess I'm really just not a dog person bc it seems I'm in the minority opinion here♥ 2source record 2637
Agree and i never want another one. I got a puppy when I was 12 and had her until I was 26, ruined all the carpets in my apartment, vet bills $$…. I’m good. People are like “my dog needs surgery it’s $6k”. No thanks!♥ 2source record 2654
Grew up with dogs, we had a number of them, my grandparents had them. Got one in my mid 30's. Got a smart trainable breed, put in the training hours/years, this dog has been a pain in my ass since . Now he's 12years old and in cognitive decline and the issues and coast only compounded. No more dogs after him.♥ 1source record 2696
I had a German Shepherd for 10 years. Great dog and I don't know if I'll ever get over losing her, but I probably won't ever get another dog. They are a ton of work and although I had mine really trained, she was still a handful. I had to board her when traveling (which sucked because she was an aggressive dog w/ other dogs), the vet was expensive and the barking was one thing I couldn't train out of her. Miss my pup, but yeah...never again.♥ 1source record 2771
I had the best dog in the world and didn’t have to deal with any of this stuff. I didn’t hate taking care of him. But he passed away a year ago and we’re in no hurry to get another dog. I’m amazed at how much easier it is to keep the house clean. The dog hair and dirt he dragged in was no joke.♥ 1source record 2777
I love dogs and am locked for a good 12-14 years having at least one, but I don't think I'll be able to endure having one after this adorable batch.♥ 1source record 2787
My dog is great, but he'll probably only live to about the time my youngest kids graduate high school. I'll likely not get another just so I have more freedom♥ 1source record 2805
I love my dog like he's my own son, but yeah... I don't think I'll get another dog after he's gone.♥ 1source record 2853
I have 2 lovely old lady dogs, but when their time comes, I will be a bit relieved and probably go dogless for a while.♥ 1source record 2859
I love dogs, and I miss my old guy. But I am not getting another dog. Someone can say "hey, we're going to Las Vegas for the weekend you should come, we leave in 20 minutes" and I can say "I'll be there in 10." Just lock the door behind me.♥ 1source record 2931
I love dogs and I’ve own 4. I never want to have responsibility of a dog ever again. It’s like a child that never grows up . Walks, stupid vet visits, walks, dog puke, etc etc. The 5 minutes of cuddles per week ain’t worth the work.♥ 1source record 2954
Husky owner here, I WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER DOG IN MY LIFE. I don’t regret getting her, she’s 13 and healthy. However I have kept her alive more than she herself wants to be, she’s a menace.♥ 1source record 3043
My dog of 14 just passed last week, her sister 2 years prior. I loved them immensely, and I will the hell out of them! But... it's such a relief. For the first time in 40 years, I don't have a dog. Traveling without needing someone to watch them, or taking to a daycare or something. The vet, the bills, the feeding, the constant changing of the wateting, the hair EVERY-FUCKING-WHERE and the fucking shitting, my god... and cleaning up the yard! 90lb pittty shit. I don't plan on owning another dog ever.♥ 1source record 3051
Yeah, I know the feeling. My current dog is my second, and I will never have another one again. It wouldn't be so bad, but she's my second rescue and she's broken, so she's a lot more trouble than she's worth. Physical ailments. Behavioral ailments. Clinginess. Begging. Farting. Chewing. Sure, I love her. I will be sad when she dies in a year or two (she's not a spring chicken). And I still will never get another dog.♥ 1source record 3131
I have had dogs and I’ve loved them dearly and I’ve considered having another one but I know I just cannot deal with the shit again.♥ 1source record 3160
You are not wrong to feel this way. Foster-failures and ended up with a dog for 13 years who we did, and would do anything for... I would kill to have her back for another 10 years. That said, I never want to go through that again. It takes a lot of work to be a responsible pet owner, and too many people take it on casually. Now that you are committed to her, give her the best life possible...and then you never have to do it again.♥ 1source record 3260
I will never own a dog again. Likewise, had family dogs that were my dad’s responsibility so I just got to enjoy the fun parts. I severely underestimated being a dog owner myself. Ours is 4.5 now and very very well looked after and cared for, but the household is basically at her mercy as she cannot be left alone for a second. Years of working around it was a pain but whatever. Now we have a toddler, having to do that as well is pushing me over the edge. She’s loved and cared for and not been replaced by my child before anyone worries. I’m just pulling my hair out at not realising so many little things beforehand. Never again after this♥ 1source record 3262
I grew up with dogs my whole life. Don’t think I ever wanted one as I got older but my parents would constantly get one… or two at a time. Fast forward to when I’m older and move out and decide to not take my dog with me and also not get a new dog. It’s kinda great? Yes it’s a little lonesome without my buddy to hang with sometimes but you know what’s the best part? Not having to worry about who’s gonna take care of him if I’m gone for extended periods of time or days/weeks. The extra cost associated with them. The mess that’s made. Not having to sweep or vacuum dirt or hair that gets everywhere… on top of the dog pee or poop they might do inside the house. My friends recently got a second dog that is Wildly different than their first, and now one person has to be home with the dogs at all times…. Don’t ask me further questions about that please🙃♥ 1source record 3305
I’m one and done 😆 My dog died 2 years ago at the ripe old age of 16 (RIP good girl). Loved her to bits, but I’m out. That was tough mentally, emotionally, and financially lol I’m lucky my neighbors have a dog they let me borrow sometimes. It’s like having a dog but only doing the fun stuff♥ 1source record 3306
Hard agree. I say this as someone who has had at least one dog for 45 of my 47 years on earth and after losing my three elderly dogs one by one over the last year I can say with absolute confidence that I will never own a dog again. I loved them all dearly but even when they are young and healthy they are extremely hard work. Those last years when they are neither young nor healthy are extraordinarily difficult and the end is brutal.♥ 1source record 3349
I would rather drag my vagina over broken glass than own another dog again♥ 1source record 3419
Im with you. I've had dogs my entire life and I've been telling my wife I'm ready for a dog free life for a bit. I miss being able to take off for the weekend. Our German shepherd is so neurotic there is no way we could ever board her nor would she let anyone in the house if we weren't there... I love her but there are parts of life I feel like I miss cuz of the dogs.♥ 1source record 3421
Same experience. The amount of work required is orders of magnitude greater than having a cat. This will be my first and last dog.♥ 1source record 3447
Yeah... My wife convinced me to get a border collie. She's the best dog, super sweet and ultra intelligent, but so much damn work. Never again.♥ 1source record 3528
At one point, I had 3 dogs; now I have two. I love my dogs so much, but when they pass, I will not get a new dog for quite a while. I want nicer furniture; I want to go on trips without needing to figure out who is going to take care of them. I dont wanna deal with dog food or vet bills anymore. Plus, I'm putting your dog down is fucking heartbreaking. IM crying just thinking about the fact that I only have about a year or two left with my guys.♥ 1source record 3540
We just put our family dog down, I put mine down about two years ago. We begged for these dogs as kids and me and my sister had to pay the vet bills as adults and take care of them when super old, I can't imagine having a family, bills, other stuff going on and then having to take care of a dog. I think at least for now I am done but I can't imagine wanting another and i really love dogs.♥ 1source record 3553
My last dog died five years ago. It was sad and I miss him, but god, living in a CLEAN house and having a CLEAN car and never picking up shit or cleaning up “accidents” are priceless. You can easily put a dollar figure on vet bills, food, grooming, and paying someone to watch them so you can go out of town, which really adds up. Now I walk my neighbors dog when I feel like walking with a dog. I thought about a cat but the litter box is gross and I don’t want them ripping up my furniture or walking on my kitchen counters.♥ 1source record 3563
Agree. I'll never get another dog. I love them, and my boy is a very good dog, but i never want another.♥ 1source record 3567
My beloved Shoeshine died in my arms 3 years ago. He was a very good dog. Sweet and caring. Sometimes, we think we will get another one but then we see it’s cold and rainy when we would have to go out in it to walk him, or clean up around his water bowl because he was the messiest drinker ever. Or the vet bills. Or the hair. Oh my god! He shed the equivalent of a whole other dog every single fucking day! Or we go on vacation and realize we don’t have to kennel him…. This list goes on. I loved Shoeshine dearly and miss him. But I have desire to replace him. One dog in a lifetime was enough for us.♥ 1source record 3641
I have a husky beagle mix and he is honestly pretty good. He’s 14 but sleeps and doesn’t destroy things. But he decided he likes to eat toilet paper so we have to keep it in the cabinet lol. He is also starting to have medical issues so that’s always stressful. He’s too smart and be such a brat. My husband and I both said we love him but won’t be getting another dog. The fur alone is maddening.♥ 1source record 3650
I got a puppy once. She was amazing, so much fun to play with, bundle of joy, a cuddle buddy, my best friend. Never again.♥ 1source record 3762
I love my dogs… but last pets I’ll ever have♥ 1source record 3768
I’m in a similar boat. We weren’t allowed to have pets growing up, so when my wife and I got married we adopted a puppy. She’s going on 13 years old and has been a great dog, but I’m definitely a one and done pet owner. For me, it’s just that she constantly has to be taken care of, so we can’t do anything spontaneous as far as going on trips or spending a weekend somewhere. There’s always the logistical consideration of finding a pet sitter and planning trips around the dog. She’s also developed diabetes, so now we’re doing twice daily insulin shots, and the cost per month of pet insulin is going to add up if she keeps going for another 2-3 years. So yeah, I’m happy to have had the experience of being a dog owner because my pup is awesome, but I’ll also be glad when it’s over and our family can do more spontaneous trips and things.♥ 1source record 3783
Agreed. Once my childhood dog died I was overwhelmed by how peaceful and easy life was 😂 I could leave my plate at the table and step into the other room without worrying a dog would jump on the table and eat everything. I didn't have to go on walks anymore, I didn't have to scrape up hot shit (or rock hard old shit) from the grass, I didn't have to worry about where I step in my own yard. No more gross bath times, no more HAIR everywhere!! No more vet visits and him stinking up the car with his anal stress gland things 😮‍💨 No more random puke piles and wondering WTF is wrong with him. No more BARKING at fuckall, no more nips or scratches from rough paws. I can't imagine ever choosing to have a pet again♥ 1source record 3791
Ive owned dogs my whole life now that I have a house, nope. I love walking through my back yard without piles of shot everywhere.♥ 1source record 3795
I will never own another dog after the two I currently have pass on. I will also never take responsibility for outdoor cats after that ones I take care of pass on. One of my dogs has a water drinking compulsion and often times, she will throw up afterward. My rugs stink like dog vomit. I have anxiety about her drinking water. I get unnecessarily angry when they bark. I thought my kids needed to have dogs, turned out to be one of the biggest, most overstimulating mistakes I’ve ever made (and I’ve had three other dogs in my past, but man, once you have kids in the mix, you have to have the patience of a saint and a $hit ton of money to throw around and generally not care about having to constantly clean up after someone or something).♥ 1source record 3810
My life got so much easier after my dog passed away. She was a handful and I do miss her but I won't be getting another dog. Besides, the vet bills are insane.♥ 1source record 3896
Dogs are just like toddlers. My lab is 2, and she is the calmest she will ever be. She steals everything in sight for attention. Before I left for work this morning, I had to clean up 3 big piles of puke in the laundry room. Last week she stole a steak off the counter and inhaled it in about 5 seconds. Last night she went to bed early because she was being an asshole. She will be my last dog, but we love her, unfortunately.♥ 1source record 3960
I love my dog. He's chilling next to me right now and he's amazing. When he's gone I never want a dog again.♥ 1source record 3965
My eldest dog died 2 years ago, our other one is getting quite old now. Been great to do my bit for dog world but think I’m done after this, it’s very difficult and expensive. We had cats before - that is just install a door flap & leave food out, give a friend your spare house key when you go on vacation. Dogs are a completely different level♥ 1source record 4044
Love my older dogs, but once they die, I will not be getting another. Hit them for the kids, now the kids are out of the house. So I get to do all the dog errands now! Feels bad to say it, but looking forward when I can just spontaneously leave for a weekend without paying $200+ for dog sitters♥ 1source record 4111
I love my dogs to death but I can relate on a spiritual level with this. I will NEVER own another dog after mine pass on.♥ 1source record 4169
I hate having dogs 😅 I will never have another once my current ones cross over…♥ 1source record 4288
I loved my dog so damn much but I don’t feel inclined to get another dog and all your points are valid and funny. I miss dogs but every time I meet a dog now I’m glad they aren’t mine lol.♥ 1source record 4293
Grew up with dogs so was always normal. Got one when I moved into my first house and kinda just dealt with everything bcuz I was used to it.. ended up moving later on w my to be wife and we got rid of the dog. Best decision of my life lol That was 2017. I will never own a dog again and tbh really dislike dog people these days. I know there are some good boys and girls out there but from the barking, the pooping, the attacks, etc., I am will never traverse down that road again lol♥ 1source record 4310
I've had dogs my whole life, it's only in the last few years I've decided, nope, not for me anymore. They're annoying, wreck shit and I just get nothing out of having a dog anymore. There's no longer a benefit for me personally. I used to rehabilitate dogs to find their forever homes and pretty much always had two dogs of my own since I was little. I'm 35 now and just have no interest anymore, just don't like dogs anymore.♥ 1source record 4330
I grew up desperately, desperately wanting a dog. After briefly owning one myself, and living for several years with someone else's dog, my go-to line is now, "I love other people's well-behaved dogs." It's great, because I get to be the Fun Aunt for all the neighborhood dogs. But man. I never, ever want to live with another dog. It was absolute exhaustion and stress. My husband and I adopted (but eventually found a much better home for) a puppy, not long after we bought our first house. We were so, so happy when she was gone. Not long afterwards, our neighbor abandoned three litters of kittens--13 total--that we took in, fostered, fixed, and got adopted out. During that time, we were going through our nightly routine of feeding, litterbox duty, water bowls, and corralling absolutely apeshit kittens popcorning off the walls, and my husband says to me, "How are 13 kittens less stressful than one dog?" (We now have 7 cats of our own.) I love 'em. I just love when other people have to deal with their shit.♥ 1source record 4356
My Treeing Walker Coonhound has made me want to take a long break from dogs when he passes. 8 years old and hasn't slowed down.♥ 1source record 4414
We have 2 elder dogs. With both of us working, we haven't been able to give them the attention they deserve. They wake us up early and are expensive for various reasons. Both are loving, and one is a good girl. The other is a lovable knucklehead. We likely won't own dogs after this.♥ 1source record 4464
I love my dog but he will be my one and only.♥ 1source record 4552
just started living without a dog (only cats) for the first time in my life and oh my god its such a breath of fresh air♥ 0source record 4595
I've never not had a dog until this year and I always thought I would always have one. Losing my little dog last December destroyed me. While I loved him and would have happily committed to care for him for the rest of my life, there has been something nice about the freedom of not having to worry about a dog. I absolutely get it though. I get a lot of comments about getting another but I'm not ready and I don't know if I want that level of responsibility again♥ 1source record 4634
A friend of mine has an aging dog. He loves her dearly, but told me that when she passes, he is not going to get another dog. A lot of work and he feels like often times his life is restricted because of her.♥ 1source record 4665
I love the dog I have now, but when he’s gone I am never having another dog in my house.♥ 1source record 4720
Yes. I completely agree. I like dogs. My ex and my children managed to get me to agree to have four at one point. But now I am down to two. And I really look forward to when I am not woken up by barking. Having rugs again because they shit, piss and puke on them even though they have just been out. Not having to go for a walk in the sodding rain if I don’t want to. Going away for the weekend if I fancy it and can decide to go ten minutes in advance of departure. I miss freedom. I treat these dogs well but I will not miss them.♥ 0source record 4755
The shitting, the feeding, the grooming, the shedding, the vet expense, the general expense, the restrictions on your freedom, the barking, the property destruction, the daily walking/exercise, the constant attention required, the worry, and finally, the heartbreak when they die. I will never own another dog again, mostly because of the first reason and the last reason.♥ 1source record 4791
Yep thats why I'll never own a dog again. Way too much work and the constant need for attention is extremely annoying. Cats are much easier, so neat, and nowhere near annoying, actually can have 5 cats on top of me and enjoy every minute haha.♥ 1source record 4804
I adored my dog when she was alive but to hell am i getting another one anytime soon, if at all.♥ 1source record 4829
We have an English and a French bulldog... I will NEVER have another dog after these.♥ 1source record 4832
Yes, dogs are lovely but demand a lot of care and attention. I love my dogs (I have two). But after they are gone, I will not be having any more.♥ 1source record 4841
I had my dog for 14yrs until she died late last year, while I had her it was amazing and I just kind of didn't think about the annoying stuff, but since she's been gone, other than missing her heaps, I like not having to check the backyard before I walk out there.♥ 1source record 4849
Yeah I'm done with it too. I have 2 pugs and it will be a long while, but I'm committed to going to zero. I love them dearly but they're expensive and time consuming. I didn't realize I was giving up vacations, giving up days where I did nothing all day, giving up a clean house, giving up on the appearance of being a good person because I can't manage these 2 other living beings perfectly.♥ 1source record 4884
this is so true! i love dogs but once my chihuahua passes away, i'm not getting another one. its the same shit every day from when he was a year old to now 8 years old. he's learned a lot of tricks and very useful commends over the years but his reactive behaviour outside has not improved♥ 1source record 5023
Had mine for 12 years before prostate cancer took him. I loved him while he was around but I’m not getting another. Now when I see my neighbors out in the freezing rain at 6:00 am walking their dog I know I’m never getting another one. Going out is not optional.♥ 1source record 5096
We feel same way! This past winter, our area had a storm that left 10 inches of snow. We sat inside our apartment, and watched the gorgeous snow fall from the windows to the balcony all day, and people bundled up walking dogs , freezing. My husband said, “I am SO glad not to be doing that right now!”♥ 1source record 5097
At one point I had a dog and two cats. They've all passed now, but the dog was just an incredible burden. Will not have another dog. The cats were much easier because we could leave them home for a while without concern. But the litter box is the worst thing. I've tried all the crazy expensive automatic ones. They all get nasty. Now pet free my house is so much more pleasant.♥ 1source record 5098
My Doberman is the sweetest. When she dies, I’ll feel like I have been freed from prison. Only \~8ish more years!♥ 1source record 5250
I adopted an adult dog in college and I loved him so much (he passed at 14yo) but I will never have another dog. The amount of care they need is just too much for me. I hated going on walks when it was hot, freezing, or rainy, I hated carrying around his bags of poop (that were larger than mine!) I agree with the clinginess as well, always following me from room to room drove me insane. I'm way more of a cat person, I've had them my entire life and our vibes match way more lol♥ 1source record 5304
I can’t wait until we don’t have a dog anymore♥ 0source record 5341
No i feel that. I love my dog to death but when he passes im never doing this again. Talk about a ball and chain. Its a literal pair of handcuffs and my whole life is dictated by what he feels like doing. He needs like 5 times out a day, 2 of them full half hour/hour walks, or hes up my ass and staring at me. Everything i eat i just get stared daggers at. Dog hair everywhere. I cant travel for fear of something happening to him because of the kennel stories and god forbid if im sick and literally cant walk. I have to go outside. In the sun, in the rain, I have to wake up as soon as im up, and get him out. 10-15 more years of this if im lucky and never doing it again♥ 1source record 5359

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Why people do not say this out loud17 index entriesThe reason this thread exists, in the words of people describing what happens when they say it anywhere else.
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Situation: What happens when somebody admits any of this outside an anonymous thread

Why readers chose it: 17 records about the reception rather than the dog, and together they explain why a thread like this appears on a subreddit for unpopular opinions. Commenters report being told they have no soul, that they are a bad owner, and that they should not have children. Several say they assumed the feeling was theirs alone until they read the thread. One reply pushes back on the vocabulary itself — that calling somebody a bad owner reads as condescension where calling them a struggling owner would read as help — and several name the mechanism they think produces the silence, which is that what people post about their dogs is edited.

What readers reported: I hate that people can’t say they have a negative experience owning a dog online without a dozen people jumping in and saying that “actually it’s all your fault because you’re a bad owner”

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To be fair, all the things op doesn’t like about the dog are a result of neglecting to train it and manage their own living space properly. Can you truly complain about problems that are your fault? Op isn’t even the owner of the dog so it’s not their fault but it definitely is their wife’s fault lmao.

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I have a dog that I love very much but I tell everyone to not get a dog unless 1. they are happy being home most of the time or 2. they are rich and can afford dog walkers and sitter on a regular basis (plus all other vet bills). It should not be an unpopular opinion, its just sad because there's so many dogs that need homes but not enough people capable of caring for them

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I think it might be better to say they have a struggling owner or one who needs some guidance. The speed at which we label people a “bad owner” tends to read more as condescending than constructive.

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Got our first dog when I was 20 I love him but I never feel like I’m doing enough for him and I feel bad bc sometimes I just wanna chill

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I appreciate this so much. I always feel guilty, because although I love my dogs, they're good and friendly, but I do not want to be a dog owner again, and I thought that EVERYONE loves their dogs so much. I have a friend who says when she has to go on work trips she doesn't miss her kids, but she misses her dogs so much. I can't even. They are so needy, I can't even take them to the kennel so we can go on vacation anymore because in their older age (11) they cannot handle it and act like fools. They constantly need to be touching me. Everyone LOVES them, for some reason, and I just want to tell them to please borrow them for a week. So, yeah, you're not alone, and reading all of these comments makes me feel better.

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Thank you for saying this. I thought there was something wrong with me for hating owning the dog (not hating the dog - not his fault)♥ 44source record 375
I think it might be better to say they have a struggling owner or one who needs some guidance. The speed at which we label people a “bad owner” tends to read more as condescending than constructive.♥ 44source record 449
I hate that people can’t say they have a negative experience owning a dog online without a dozen people jumping in and saying that “actually it’s all your fault because you’re a bad owner”♥ 16source record 467
Someone mentioned in another comment how people judge you for their behavior too like it was your fault.♥ 3source record 1018
I think this is an unpopular opinion to voice aloud, but a pretty common opinion people will keep to themselves.♥ 12source record 1927
Yes. I feel like you. I love mine but feel guilt about this♥ 1source record 2061
Pupperganda. People make out like having a pet is all cute and all amazing, because it's edited conversation. People always leave out the bad parts unless they are venting. And a lot of people are passive owners, so of course they think it's great, other people take all the responsibility for taking care of them, and they get the "cool uncle" experience. Like kids who want a dog and no clue what they are getting into. They just see "Puppy!"♥ 3source record 2105
This isn’t unpopular, it’s just what no one wants to say out loud♥ 2source record 2263
I had a coworker once tell me that people who don’t own dogs are selfish. That was after I told her I have a no animal policy in my household.♥ 1source record 2454
I appreciate this so much. I always feel guilty, because although I love my dogs, they're good and friendly, but I do not want to be a dog owner again, and I thought that EVERYONE loves their dogs so much. I have a friend who says when she has to go on work trips she doesn't miss her kids, but she misses her dogs so much. I can't even. They are so needy, I can't even take them to the kennel so we can go on vacation anymore because in their older age (11) they cannot handle it and act like fools. They constantly need to be touching me. Everyone LOVES them, for some reason, and I just want to tell them to please borrow them for a week. So, yeah, you're not alone, and reading all of these comments makes me feel better.♥ 1source record 2630
Genuinely my daughter’s newborn phase was easier on me than my dog’s puppy phase was. Thank you for being honest, OP! I love my dog a ton but taking care of her often DOES suck. People frequently don’t realize this because our society glamorizes dog ownership and that’s why soooo many dogs end up in shelters. We need more takes like this♥ 1source record 2786
Wait why is every dog owner telling me how amazing it is then? They get so much love from it yadda yadda.. are they convincing me or themselves??♥ 1source record 2842
I think it's dog propaganda. The American dream, your cute dog behind your white picket fence. My current pup will be my last.♥ 1source record 2936
I had dogs as a kid and know all about the emotional attachment etc. But as an adult, I knew I wouldn't want the responsibility. I have been accused of "having no soul" and other derogatory comments by dog owners/lovers which I have given up trying to understand. I have a soul. I do not want a dog.♥ 1source record 3031
Thank you! People act like I am a sociopath for not wanting a dog. I love dogs. I just don’t want to live with one or be responsible for it 🤷🏻‍♀️ for all the reasons you mentioned♥ 1source record 3239
Got our first dog when I was 20 I love him but I never feel like I’m doing enough for him and I feel bad bc sometimes I just wanna chill♥ 1source record 4416
Thankyou for saying out loud what most dog owners won't admit. I think people who really love dogs can get past things like the gross smells and the boring duties. So many dog lovers say they don't mind doing walks, picking up poop, being unable to be spontaneous or leave the house for too long, but the negatives outweigh the positives for me. I was indifferent about dogs before I lived with one and now I see how much of a burden they are.♥ 1source record 4845

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The dog that turned out to be a different animal17 index entriesRecords where the mismatch is specific and traceable to a decision made before the dog arrived.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: The dog that turned out to be a different animal

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Situation: A dog chosen carefully that turned out to be the wrong dog anyway

Why readers chose it: 17 records where the mismatch is traceable to one decision. The clearest is the commenter who researched properly, chose an Italian greyhound for a city flat, then married and moved to the countryside where the same dog became unmanageable. The rest are recognisable: a Min Pin chosen as an apartment-sized Doberman; a supposed forty-pound labradoodle that grew into a hundred-pound lab; a dog bought as a pure chihuahua that turned out part Jack Russell; corgis chosen for the face and kept through a decade of barking; a Weimaraner picked as a dream dog and described three years later as the thing that turned its owner into a cat person. What they share is not a bad dog but a decision made about a picture.

What readers reported: I researched and got an Italian greyhound because I needed a quiet apartment dog. He was great when I lived in a city apartment, but I hate him now that I live in a house in the countryside (got married and moved to husband's house). He barks all the time, tries to chase scooters and cars (we have a wall around our property, but he still tries), steals trash (he can open the trash cans), and pees everywhere (got bad during my pregnancy, and never got better). He's the dog that has made me - a lifelong dog lover - decide that I never again want to have another dog.

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I researched and got an Italian greyhound because I needed a quiet apartment dog. He was great when I lived in a city apartment, but I hate him now that I live in a house in the countryside (got married and moved to husband's house). He barks all the time, tries to chase scooters and cars (we have a wall around our property, but he still tries), steals trash (he can open the trash cans), and pees everywhere (got bad during my pregnancy, and never got better). He's the dog that has made me - a lifelong dog lover - decide that I never again want to have another dog.

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This Exactly. Had a Maltipoo for ten years and she was my soul dog. Now I have a Blue Nose Pitbull girl who is very sweet, but their Behaviors are ASTRONOMICALLY different. Consider Before You Buy/Adopt. I'll be real, the pitbull is a brat and causes trouble for attention. My other dog would just beg for the attention without causing trouble. Both are annoying, but one is damaging/costing you extra money. (Ex. Pitbull ruined the hardwood floor by peeing on it at night even though she gets taken out before bed. Won't be in her cage anymore without trying to escape and injuring herself so I just stopped putting her in it at night, hence her peeing all over the floor whenever she wants. It used to be her safe space but once she got a bit older her attitude totally changed. Rips the couch trying to get comfy so she is only allowed on the love seat now, which I fear will also get ripped.) Those are just a few My Maltipoo acted the same her entire life, and I loved it. Her personality lastest until the last three days of her life, only because she was so weak. I have seen the Pitbull's change throughout her life and she just became more and more bratty. Maybe someone can enlighten me on what I'm doing wrong this time around to have this happen so often with her bratty behavior and the accidents in the house. She goes outside to go potty, then just does it in the house "for attention" then will come running to me as if to say "look what I just did" My Maltipoo was so obedient in the potty department so I'm wondering what I've done wrong.

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Corgi owner here, and I totally agree! My boy is 5, and he's not right. Stubborn as hell, so much energy, and a lot stronger than you would think for a little dog. And his bark is a full grown big dog bark! He has me trained, and he's not going anywhere, but never again!!

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Corgis are a good example of this. People get them because they’re cute as heck, but they DO NOT LISTEN, shed like crazy, always get poo stuck in their hind fluff, and bark like there’s no tomorrow. I would never get a Corgi again. \*\*\*Edited to add: I loved my Corgi dearly and he was the sweetest pup ever. We were his third home because the first two homes couldn’t handle him. He had a lot of annoying common puppy traits when we got him, but over time he became a very sweet dog and he eventually stopped ripping apart all of our socks and shoes, etc. But his intense and loud bark never got better unfortunately. I do miss his zoomies though 🥲

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Corgis are a good example of this. People get them because they’re cute as heck, but they DO NOT LISTEN, shed like crazy, always get poo stuck in their hind fluff, and bark like there’s no tomorrow. I would never get a Corgi again. \*\*\*Edited to add: I loved my Corgi dearly and he was the sweetest pup ever. We were his third home because the first two homes couldn’t handle him. He had a lot of annoying common puppy traits when we got him, but over time he became a very sweet dog and he eventually stopped ripping apart all of our socks and shoes, etc. But his intense and loud bark never got better unfortunately. I do miss his zoomies though 🥲

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This is how I feel about my Jack Russel mix. We thought we were getting a pure Chihuahua but she’s clearly got JRT in her as she grew up. She is now 6 and still Hell on wheels. Everything is barking and running.

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My bf has a 4 yr old corgi which they adopted just last year after her previous owner migrated. She changed my mind about corgis, I absolutely hate the breed now and do not find them cute AT ALL. She rips everything apart, eats her shit, pisses everywhere, sheds like craaazy and doesn’t like getting groomed, gets mad at her american bully brother for no reason, and does not listen to any command at all. I have a feeling it’s because she was a kennel dog with the previous owner, which I am very very sad and angry about. Now she really won’t listen, and does not even want to go out on walks. She barks at everything too. My grandma on the other hand, has a male corgi, whose only issue is his temper with other male dogs. Other corgis I’ve come across in the vet are also loud and aggressive. I really would not recommend them.

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Corgis are a good example of this. People get them because they’re cute as heck, but they DO NOT LISTEN, shed like crazy, always get poo stuck in their hind fluff, and bark like there’s no tomorrow. I would never get a Corgi again. \*\*\*Edited to add: I loved my Corgi dearly and he was the sweetest pup ever. We were his third home because the first two homes couldn’t handle him. He had a lot of annoying common puppy traits when we got him, but over time he became a very sweet dog and he eventually stopped ripping apart all of our socks and shoes, etc. But his intense and loud bark never got better unfortunately. I do miss his zoomies though 🥲♥ 550source record 34
Absolutely this!! My mom is driving me nuts because she bought a yorkie mix and is annoyed that it’s clingy. They are super prone to separation anxiety, love being by their owners, and are very smart. She knows that my mom is always annoyed with her. I just take care of her nowadays, but it’s a perfect example of someone getting a dog because of how they look and not how they are going to fit with your lifestyle.♥ 5source record 89
My first dog was a Min Pin rescue because my logic was “it’s an apartment sized Doberman”. We had two Dobermans while I was growing up and they were the most sweetest, loving dogs. And man, Min Pins are cute. I see this dog on Petfinder, drive two hours out to a rural farm to adopt it. This jerk wants nothing to do with me. Meanwhile, there were other rescues vying for my attention and affection. But I was set on my mission to get this cute dog. As I leave, the Min Pin runs away from me and the owner out into a field and is gone for at least 20 minutes. There were so many red flags of how antisocial and stubborn this dog really was. I had her 14 years and loved her so much but looking back, she was so untrained, so mean to children and really, to everyone. So ridiculous. She deserved a better owner. Oh, but cute dog in picture!♥ 3source record 90
Dalmatians. After 101 Dalmatians came out, so many people got one. They're high maintenance as hell.♥ 2source record 766
My sister was hell bent on having corgis and all she does is complain that they don't listen. Thousands in obedience training and it didn't make any difference. Cute as hell and wicked smart but destructive and will bolt if given a nanosecond of time off leash.♥ 2source record 767
This is how I feel about my Jack Russel mix. We thought we were getting a pure Chihuahua but she’s clearly got JRT in her as she grew up. She is now 6 and still Hell on wheels. Everything is barking and running.♥ 2source record 772
My supposed 40 pound labradoodle ended being a 100 pound black lab. His mama has som “splaining” to do as he looked nothing like his litter mates. Love him to death, but Mr FOMO Party All The Time is a handfull.♥ 1source record 787
It's true. Corgis will rule your life. Watch any of the popular YouTube corgi owners and you'll see just how much time and energy (and money) they suck up. I absolutely loved my corgi but I'm not sure I could do it again.♥ 1source record 799
Agreed. Love our Corgi, but will be the first and last one we ever have. The barking, shedding and just overall pain in the ass compared to other breeds makes them not high on our list. He is sleeping behind me right now, super cute, great dog overall, but compared to the labs/poms/mixed breeds/dashhunds and other breeds I've owned, would be bottom of my list to get another.♥ 1source record 815
Corgi owner here, and I totally agree! My boy is 5, and he's not right. Stubborn as hell, so much energy, and a lot stronger than you would think for a little dog. And his bark is a full grown big dog bark! He has me trained, and he's not going anywhere, but never again!!♥ 1source record 822
I researched and got an Italian greyhound because I needed a quiet apartment dog. He was great when I lived in a city apartment, but I hate him now that I live in a house in the countryside (got married and moved to husband's house). He barks all the time, tries to chase scooters and cars (we have a wall around our property, but he still tries), steals trash (he can open the trash cans), and pees everywhere (got bad during my pregnancy, and never got better). He's the dog that has made me - a lifelong dog lover - decide that I never again want to have another dog.♥ 2source record 903
This Exactly. Had a Maltipoo for ten years and she was my soul dog. Now I have a Blue Nose Pitbull girl who is very sweet, but their Behaviors are ASTRONOMICALLY different. Consider Before You Buy/Adopt. I'll be real, the pitbull is a brat and causes trouble for attention. My other dog would just beg for the attention without causing trouble. Both are annoying, but one is damaging/costing you extra money. (Ex. Pitbull ruined the hardwood floor by peeing on it at night even though she gets taken out before bed. Won't be in her cage anymore without trying to escape and injuring herself so I just stopped putting her in it at night, hence her peeing all over the floor whenever she wants. It used to be her safe space but once she got a bit older her attitude totally changed. Rips the couch trying to get comfy so she is only allowed on the love seat now, which I fear will also get ripped.) Those are just a few My Maltipoo acted the same her entire life, and I loved it. Her personality lastest until the last three days of her life, only because she was so weak. I have seen the Pitbull's change throughout her life and she just became more and more bratty. Maybe someone can enlighten me on what I'm doing wrong this time around to have this happen so often with her bratty behavior and the accidents in the house. She goes outside to go potty, then just does it in the house "for attention" then will come running to me as if to say "look what I just did" My Maltipoo was so obedient in the potty department so I'm wondering what I've done wrong.♥ 2source record 915
Yup. I’ve had big goofy dogs growing up. I wanted a medium size dog. My husband wanted a small dog and he wanted to get a Yorkie. We didn’t do our homework. My husband and I are both active. I can’t sit for long periods of time. We picked the wrong bread for sure. Our Yorkies are the sweetest little beings and I love them so very much. But damnnnnnnnn! I need some alone time!😭🤣♥ 1source record 1328
I had a hound and he’s what made me realize that, as much as I loved him, I was not the best owner for him or a dog. He was far too smart and I was too lax in training him. Not a great mix. Luckily, his poor socialization was merely excitability which was manageable, but he never listened to me because I wasn’t able to be present in training him appropriately. He made me stick to cats which I’m much more comfortable with. I’m on my 6th, a group of 3 right now. Much better fit.♥ 3source record 1761
This is nothing compared to my mom’s dog. She had to get this designer breed that she had air shipped to her: a sheepadoodle. This dog is dumber than rocks, cost $2k, can’t eat anything without throwing up, and has an insane ‘routine’ that would put most toddlers to shame. For example, lights out at the house after 9pm and whispers only because if you wake the dog in his kennel he won’t stop barking until you let him out. (I tried to tell her this was ridiculous…) He can’t be neutered because of his stomach problems. And if my mom gives me hugs or any attention, he gets jealous and starts barking.♥ 1source record 2973
For my second dog I got “my dream dog” a Weimaraner which is an advanced breed. Never again. I suffered for 3 years before finally submitting to the reality that I am in fact a cat person. I felt like a prison guard training this creature to have Stockholm syndrome by granting it outside access and food in permitted potions and items. Honestly owning dogs is weird. It really is at the heart of it an abusive relationship♥ 1source record 4763
My bf has a 4 yr old corgi which they adopted just last year after her previous owner migrated. She changed my mind about corgis, I absolutely hate the breed now and do not find them cute AT ALL. She rips everything apart, eats her shit, pisses everywhere, sheds like craaazy and doesn’t like getting groomed, gets mad at her american bully brother for no reason, and does not listen to any command at all. I have a feeling it’s because she was a kennel dog with the previous owner, which I am very very sad and angry about. Now she really won’t listen, and does not even want to go out on walks. She barks at everything too. My grandma on the other hand, has a male corgi, whose only issue is his temper with other male dogs. Other corgis I’ve come across in the vet are also loud and aggressive. I really would not recommend them.♥ 1source record 4934

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The people who decided not to get one at all140 index entriesReaders doing the arithmetic in public and coming out the other side without a dog.
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Why readers chose it: 140 records from readers working through the argument in public and coming out without a dog, which makes this the clearest measure of what the corpus does to somebody actually deciding. The reasons they name are the ones the burden cards describe: the walks, the waste, the travel, the vigilance around other dogs, the cost. Several grew up with dogs and are explicit that childhood ownership taught them the opposite of what their parents intended. A distinct sub-group name a hard limit rather than a preference — dialysis, disability, depression, autism, a ninety-minute commute each way, twelve-hour shifts — and say plainly that the dog would be the one paying for it.

What readers reported: Sure, that's why having a dog sucks for some people. I love dogs, but could never own one. Because I hate poop more and I wouldn't be able to find time to walk it. It's ok to think dogs are awesome but owning dogs suck. I stand with OP and for more reasons than he said.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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ive lived with dogs my whole life, like BIG dogs and i completely agree. i love every dog my family has had, but once im on my own.... never again...

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Eugh, this is unfortunately why even though my husband and i would love a dog, we realised that we really don't want the responsibility. We also work full time at similar hours and travel internationally on average twice a year, it wouldn't be fair to leave them alone that often, but I don't want to give up the spontaneity and freedom in our lives that not having kids already grants us. Pets are hard work when you look after them properly, and I would never get one if I wasn't going to fully commit to proper care. A friend of mine recently dog-sitted for their family member, and whilst she was leaning heavily on not having kids she said it solidified her decision because she couldn't imagine having to look after even the dog full time.

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I love dogs, and I’ve always wanted one. But I’m on dialysis & am tired all the time. When my aunt (kindly, not meanly) asked why don’t I have a pet dog, I told her “I want to give any animal I have all the love & attention it deserves. Unfortunately I can’t give it all the love & attention it needs now. Maybe once I get better after my transplant” and she agreed

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Sure, that's why having a dog sucks for some people. I love dogs, but could never own one. Because I hate poop more and I wouldn't be able to find time to walk it. It's ok to think dogs are awesome but owning dogs suck. I stand with OP and for more reasons than he said.

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Yeah. Pets are a definite no no for us.

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Yep. I've never wanted a dog even though I am sure there are many benefits. I don't want to be personally responsible for a loud, smelly toddler that shits outside and potentially bites people. But they sure are cute and fun.

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Big reason why I don’t want a dog. They’re like kids in that way, and deserve the time, attention and upbringing they demand, of course. I just know I’m not cut out to give it to them.♥ 14source record 68
Full agree. I grew up with pets all my life. Haven't had a pet as an adult, and it's so freeing.♥ 4source record 97
100% my biggest fear. I’ve had cats for decades and I wouldn’t mind getting a dog, but having seen how some dogs randomly charge at each other while on leashes freaks me out♥ 77source record 129
This is the way. No kids here and very happy to see friends' and family's kids here and there but without the responsibility of having to take care of them all of the time. Wife wants a dog and we have one due solely to this. The dog is cool, but I'd much rather not have any pets. Like you, I actually enjoy coming home to an empty house!♥ 35source record 218
Yeah. We started discussing a dog before having a kid and we just concluded that between my allergies and the amount of additional work a dog would be, it's just better to focus on having a kid. Best decision for us. I don't want to worry about taking a dog out at 5am while I have a newborn in the winter.♥ 4source record 255
Sure, that's why having a dog sucks for some people. I love dogs, but could never own one. Because I hate poop more and I wouldn't be able to find time to walk it. It's ok to think dogs are awesome but owning dogs suck. I stand with OP and for more reasons than he said.♥ 413source record 325
I love dogs, they’re great. I just don’t want one, I don’t have the time that a dog needs.♥ 5source record 428
I've got a love-hate relationship with dogs. I can definitely see the attraction and why people have a desire to own one, but oh my god, who has got the stomach and mental fortitude to pick up their "mess" and deal with the constant attention that this type of animal demands? That and the constant neediness of this animal makes them only suitable for a certain personality type. Of which I ain't.♥ 3source record 445
I'm with you. I like dogs, but I'd never want to share my space with one. My spouse and son are both interested in having one, but in a household riddled with ADHD, I'd absolutely be the one taking care of all the daily rituals, and it's not something I have lot of interest in doing. Especially since I would not allow the dog to be one of those misbehaved little assholes out there, and I have no idea how, or patience and dedication, to train one.♥ 4source record 470
I know my limits as a human, as much as I love animals and my dog growing up…I knew I did not want a perpetual toddler for 15 years, let alone a real toddler. We have 5 cats plus I care for a feral outside and holy hell it’s a lot even with several self-scooping litter boxes.♥ 4source record 471
This is why I'll never want a pet idc if it's unpopular. Non-negotiable for a future marriage.♥ 4source record 480
"Zig-zag of shit scoots" both made me guffaw aloud and turned me off from getting a dog. I just cannot.♥ 3source record 659
Yep! Always had dogs growing up. Even thought I wanted one when my husband and I first got married. But now? No, thanks. Happy to pet the neighbors’ dogs and continue on my merry way.♥ 2source record 952
Good advice. The thing is, even those tasks are annoying to add to your list if you don’t really want the responsibility of owning a dog. I overthink everything bc I never want to half-ass important responsibilities, which is why I don’t have a dog. I like them, but I don’t want one bc being a *good* dog “parent” (and not just a loving one) would suck me dry.♥ 2source record 954
This is exactly why I won’t get a dog. I love them, I’d love to have one in my life, they’re amazing companions. But I will not get an animal I know I can’t properly take care of.♥ 1source record 984
Pets in general, really. I'd like a cat but I know I'm not in a place where I can give one the attention it deserves. It'd be unfair to the cat.♥ 1source record 989
There’s so many shitty dog owners out there. I’m certain I’d be one so I don’t have a dog, but that isn’t the mindset of these entitled assholes out there.♥ 2source record 1049
Same. I’ve considered getting a dog at some point because we had dogs when I was a kid and I helped train them and have since trained the few indoor cats I’ve had (many cats absolutely frickin’ adore training just as much as dogs). However it’s gone from “I like and could control medium sized dogs” to “but can I pick up a medium sized dog and carry them to safety in the event of another angry dog.” Like, at this point I don’t want any dog unless I get more into physical training because I’m too much of a lightweight to currently trust myself to be able to carry my potentially preferred breeds (the stubborn cat-like wire-haired terriers, supposedly) in an emergency like I can handle the slippery razorblade tornado that is a fully clawed and bitey but lightweight cat (lol my current cat is all “sigh, what’s the point; I’ve tried clawing her when I panic and she clearly doesn’t give a shit.”)♥ 1source record 1095
This is genuinely one of my biggest reasons that puts me off ever getting a dog. My brother’s dog is super well-behaved and chill, but I *dread* walking with him because of the number of times someone else’s reactive dog has lunged at him out of the blue or worse. It’s like walking around with a magnet for aggressive dogs. As a person walking alone or with people, a dog is gonna come aggressively at you very rarely; with a dog it’s flipping a coin every time you leave the house. It puts me on edge like nothing else.♥ 1source record 1161
This! I love animals, I just don't have time to properly care for them at the moment (besides some shrimp). Same goes for babies btw.♥ 3source record 1296
Kids and dogs, two things I wish to never have the responsibility of taking care of!♥ 1source record 1375
I have cats (three of them) and although I like dogs in general, I will never own one. I just know that walking a dog every day, more than once, is beyond what I’m willing to commit to. Not to mention everything else. Cats have their own issues but they are generally low maintenance if they’re healthy. They groom themselves, they require alone time (giving me my own alone time) and they keep their poop and pee in a nice self contained area. A perfectly healthy dog would still require too much effort on my part.♥ 1source record 1532
Lmao fuck having a dog, I never will. such a waste of time and money. people feel like they need one and then you can just see how it takes over their life. It can be a huge red flag sometimes.♥ 1source record 1542
Autism is why I'll never be a mother, or a dog owner.♥ 3source record 1845
The one for me is always - I want to do things that can have me out of the house for extended periods of time that dogs aren’t welcome at. I can’t leave the dog alone for that long and don’t want to pay someone to watch a dog as often as I want to live my life. So I choose not to have a dog.♥ 6source record 1920
Why I don't think I'll ever get a dog♥ 3source record 1959
This right here is exactly why I don’t own pets♥ 3source record 1960
I loved my pets growing up, and my parents cared for them very well, but I just know I cannot handle one on my own, just the expenses alone I feel could be overwhelming, never mind cleaning shit and shit, idk how my parents and people do it.♥ 2source record 1997
Yeah I realized as I got older I’m an animal lover but not a pet person.♥ 2source record 2038
My girlfriend is always telling me to get a dog or cat but these and more reasons I don't have one. If I were to get a pet it's to dedicate time to the animal and right now I have 0 time.♥ 2source record 2148
Damn you answered my question. I was just thinking about a dog last night but I pass now♥ 2source record 2161
I don’t like animals in general, I don’t understand how people choose to have pets. It’s just so much work, they’re gross, they’re expensive… like children that never grow out of it. And I know I’m the “weird one” for that, but it still mystifies me.♥ 6source record 2293
My first dog died 7 years ago, second dog died a year and a half ago. No new dog since. Anytime i get tempted to get one, im reading this post.♥ 2source record 2309
I always had dogs growing up. I was determined to have dogs in my life always. When I finally had a house, things didn't line up right away and I realized I didn't want the added work of pets. Between work on/around the house, raising kids, and wanting to travel there was no way the extra work of a dog was acceptable in my life.♥ 1source record 2340
All this is why I am VERY hesitant to get a dog.♥ 1source record 2354
I'm a huge animal lover! My family growing up had a crazy little Yorkshire Terrier and a couple of cats, and kid me had hamsters and rats. I studied Zoology at university, I've done bits of work here and there with various exotic animals, travelled to South Africa and Honduras to take part in conservation research, and I had my own little pet sitting/dog walking gig while I was studying. All that being said, I'm now 31 and pretty set on not owning a dog, or most other pets, and definitely not alone. People usually give me a weird look when I say this because of my love for animals, but I made the decision because I specifically do not want that responsibility in my personal life. I'll likely keep doing various work with animals throughout life, but I enjoy not having those same responsibilities when I come home. TLDR: I like watching animals from afar doing what they do, I like petting dogs and cats that aren't mine and then giving them back 😂♥ 2source record 2378
I'm kind of happy not liking dogs, because I know I'd be a terrible owner.♥ 2source record 2379
I know I could never own a dog for all of these reasons.♥ 2source record 2468
I don’t like any of the things you said are bad; I know I’d hate it and you confirmed it for me.♥ 1source record 2491
I am 100% with you. I grew up in an animal hoarding situation though, and it got pretty grim. As an adult, I never want to own a dog. I usually say, I got all of the dogs I’d have in life done in one fell swoop- eight at one time was quite enough. Now, I have a singular tripod cat, and aside of the fur barfing, he gives me no grief.♥ 1source record 2534
This is why I will never own a dog. I grew up with dogs and my mom could afford a full time staff to solely take care of her dog for her so she doesn't need to do anything. But I saw all the work that staff does as their job. It's a fucking full time job alone! Fuck owning a dog!♥ 2source record 2559
Dude it took me being an adult to understand why my mom never wanted one growing up 😂 I don’t think I’ll ever get a dog , maybe when I’m old or something♥ 2source record 2659
43 and never owned a dog and have zero desire. Im suprised at how many dog owners there actually are considering its like a child. Now cats on the other hand... ill be that old cat lady.♥ 1source record 2673
I stick to watching cute dog moments on Instagram. I simply can’t give dogs the level of care they deserve.♥ 1source record 2685
Concur. I grew up with dogs, love dogs, but have never owned one in my adult life. Having to schedule my life around walking the dog so it can poop outside is just a nonstarter for me.♥ 1source record 2694
I'm with you on this. I love dogs, but owning them is a nightmare. And I absolutely refuse to ever pick up dog shit again.♥ 1source record 2699
Sometimes I feel bad about myself because I don't want to have a dog. I like dogs just fine, just like OP, but I do think they're a major pain in the ass. Like, the cuteness and loyalty and affection just doesn't outweigh the downsides for me. I've lived with multiple dogs over the years and it's just not my thing.♥ 1source record 2707
Im with you. Dogs are sweet but in general I find they detract from my life more than they add. The worse part is you don't even have to own a dog to have them negatively impact your life.♥ 1source record 2781
I love dogs more than I can say but I hear you!! And the older I get the less I want to take of ANYONE OR ANYTHING♥ 1source record 2804
I kind of agree. I'm too erratic, in the sense I hyperfocus on things and get distracted from a responsibility like caring for a pet too easily. I won't have pets of my own because I don't have the right kind of responsibility, that would be a recipe for neglect. I can vibe with all the critters outside, though.♥ 1source record 2824
My wife keeps pushing for a dog and I keep saying no. I know too many people who had dogs, loved the dog, and straight up told me they would never get a dog again because of how much work it entails.♥ 1source record 2869
I have literally zero interest in getting a dog. You couldn't pay me to own one.♥ 1source record 2876
So many comments already, and I really really love dogs. But you described perfectly why I’ve yet to care for one in adulthood. My dream is to care for a Great Dane someday and ohhh man, the shits will be next level. Grew up in the country and my parents had about a half acre of land. Somehow those dogs were great at usually doing their business in the way back of the yard. Usually♥ 1source record 2933
i love the shit out of dogs, love them love them love them. But I cannot to save my life care for one because I know I wont be able to give them the life they deserve. I'm a lazy piece of shit who loves staying at home. That's why i have 4 cats. lol♥ 1source record 2950
I would love to have a dog, but I'm divorced and have a 1.5 hour commute to the office (and then 1.5 hours back) just so I could live 5 minutes from my kid and he can come over whenever he wants, so I don't have a dog. I wouldn't have the proper amount of time for it on the daily and, yeah, there'd be clean ups and frustrations I'd rather not have, as well as additional expenses I don't currently have. Suffice to say, I don't have a dog and I haven't got any regrets about that.♥ 1source record 2958
I absolutely adore dogs and cats. I absolutely will never own a pet ever again. The worry whey they get sick. The puke and the shit you have to clean up. The hair everywhere, no matter how often you vacuum. The astronomical cost of vet care. No thanks.♥ 1source record 2979
I was lucky to have a dog in my childhood (rottweiler), also had cats. 30 years have passed and I still don’t want a dog anymore 🤣 That was a good experience though.♥ 1source record 2992
This is exactly why I don’t have one almost every family member of mine has one except me I see the struggle and I’m like yeah I’m not ready for that I also have two kids at home I already have to deal with and I honestly feel like a dog is worse bc you constantly always have to care for them as for a child they grow and get to a point they can do things on their own.. I would consider a family dog in the future once kids are older but not right now I know I would neglect it and I don’t want that when I do and If I do ever get a dog I want to get it when I can actually give it my full attention and care.♥ 1source record 3008
I love dogs. Grew up around them. Would literally hang out with the farm dogs all day as a child. Love spending time and playing with my friend’s dogs. Particularly love a good large dog that you can pat like a wooden barrel. Good dog. They’re also really emotionally readable. You can intuit pretty easily what a dog is thinking. But there are many reasons I choose not to own one. Dogs are a lot. They cost a lot. They take a lot of time and emotional energy. And frankly, I never want to have to experience the sensation of picking up literal shit with a plastic bag ever again. That’s a big factor for me. Decided to get a cat instead. Orders of magnitude less work in almost every way. Far more independent. Easier to clean up after. Cheaper in both food and vet contexts. Basically just like having a little goblin living in your house. Sometimes you open a closet and it’s just there, staring at you. Sometimes it eats wallpaper. Mostly it’s asleep in some corner of your house you’re not even aware exists. A dog is almost like having another person in your house in comparison. Farts included.♥ 1source record 3012
I dont have a dog for the same reason I dont want kids. Freedom and money. I enjoy having an abundance of both at all times.♥ 1source record 3038
I grew up with a minimum of 5 dogs in our family because my father was a gamekeeper, they were work dogs first but also pets. They lived outside in what I would call a dog hotel that was built for them specifically, heated inside with outdoor areas. From a young age I was tasked with cleaning them out, feeding them, walking them, it was a *chore*. This may have been a part of why I would never have a dog as a pet, but after owning many animals and living with other people's dogs I would still never own one. We currently have 4 cats in the house and I would sooner get 4 more than have a dog because the upkeep is worlds apart. People are astounded that I don't like dogs, although I wouldn't say I hate dogs themselves, I just hate everything that comes with owning a dog. Same reason I have no children.♥ 1source record 3082
I’ve never had a pet that lasted from adoption to death. My wife and I stopped even pretending.♥ 1source record 3107
I enjoy seeing animals in the wild. This summer I've seen bears, foxes, eagles, minks, osprey and a bunch of other critters living their lives where they are meant to be. Pets are just weird to me, unless you live on a farm or have a dog sled or something I see no need. Just more responsibility and they make it hard to go on vacation.♥ 1source record 3109
I really don't think you need to take a dog to the vet if it eats a slug brother. But, yeah - I don't have one, because I can't be bothered taking it for a walk before work♥ 1source record 3113
I could never do a dog, fr. I cannot have my life revolve around an animals bathroom needs. I just can’t. This is why I do cats for myself, and enjoy other peoples dogs when I pet sit.♥ 1source record 3143
Owning a dog is a lifestyle choice. I love dogs but that’s not the kind of lifestyle I’d like to live right now. All my friends that own dogs are always rushing from place to place, counting the hours they’re away from home so they don’t leave their dogs alone for too long. It’s quite limiting. For a lot of people, it’s worth it for the love and companionship of a dog. It’s not worth it to me. I love staying out of the house as long as I want and not having to rush home and spend the evening walking and entertaining a dog.♥ 1source record 3145
I had dogs all throughout childhood. I remember sometime in my teens our dog passed away and we didn't have a dog for a year or 2. Then was I was about 16 or so my dad came to me and said we're getting a dog (that they picked out and didn't tell me or include me on). And that we'll get it if I agree to clean up after it in the yard. I thought about it for a second and then said 'nah I'm good I don't want a dog'. It's crazy after not having one for a year you realize how much better it is. They got the dog anyway but I didn't have to help take care of it. Ever since then I've kind of hated dogs. Not their personality (like you said there's a lot of good dogs out there). But it's the shedding, the jumping, the drooling, the clinginess, the barking, the maintenance, etc etc. No thanks. I told my husband early on that I didn't like dogs (his family always had them growing up too). He accepted it initially because we started out in an apartment. And then he got used to not having one and hates them too. We have kids. I'd rather focus my attention on taking care of them.♥ 1source record 3169
My heart yearns for a dog, but I know I cannot handle taking care of a dog. Huge difference that many people are ignorant too. They think emotion = justified reason and put no thought into it. Then off to the shelter they go :(♥ 1source record 3204
I'd never ever have a dog, it would be unfair to the dog too as I just wouldn't have the patience for them.♥ 1source record 3222
I fucking love dogs but life is defo simpler without one.♥ 1source record 3226
I absolutely love dogs. My best friend growing up was our dog. I’m an adult now and I don’t think I’ll ever own a dog myself. Just too much work.♥ 1source record 3228
I love dogs, which is why I’ll never own one.♥ 1source record 3230
I admire animals but would never want one in my home. Prefer to only deal with my poop, thanks.♥ 1source record 3250
Ive had so many dogs my entire life growing up to the point of being tired of taking care of them. they require so damn much. its like having a toddler that cant learn or communicate.♥ 1source record 3273
I grew up on a farm with one or max two dogs at a time. They stayed outside and had lots of free range to roam, play with each other and the cats, do their business wherever they wanted, and even then I thought they were a bit much to deal with. I liked them all right, but saw the amount of work and responsibility they took, and made it a difficult thing to even be away for a couple of days. And we had some really sad accidents where we think a neighbor maliciously left out antifreeze in an attempt to kill another problematic neighborhood dog and ours got into it (she just had puppies and they all died immediately, and then she died a day or two later), as well as other randomly disappearing. My wife on the other hand has never had a dog in the family, never had to care for one, never had to make travel arrangements, never had to clean up after them, never had to watch one die on the porch,, never had to bury one... Guess which one of us wants one as adults...♥ 1source record 3281
My ex got a boxer puppy and he was an awesome little dude. To this day i watch boxer reels and smile. That said, I'll never want the responsibility of owning a dog♥ 1source record 3291
I'm happy I know people who have dogs and are capable of taking on something like that without abusing or neglecting it. But I could not do that. I can take care of myself, a cat, and one other person at most.♥ 1source record 3339
Most people who don't think owning a dog can be frustrating are people who either have never owned one or don't take proper care of their dog. I love all animals and have owned more dogs than anyone should ever own in their lifetime but will never have one again purely because it is so much work and I know I won't put in the effort they deserve♥ 1source record 3342
Owning any animals is hard, but dogs are definitely one of the most demanding ones. I’m personally waiting to be pet free, had a cat shoved on me and it’s 16 years old. With my luck it will live another 9 years.♥ 1source record 3387
When I was a kid I wanted a dog so badly!!! but my parents knew what I know now - they'd be taking care of it. All. The. Time. At least cats let you leave for the day.♥ 1source record 3393
I had a dog growing up and loved him, but this is exactly why I don't think I'll ever own one again.♥ 1source record 3425
I’m definitely anti pet ownership. No thanks!♥ 1source record 3428
I love pets in general, but I can't get one and give them what they deserve.♥ 1source record 3438
This is why I could never own a dog. I just don’t feel that the benefits are that plentiful compared to the drawbacks. Also - don’t let your dog shit in your yard, for goodness sake, that’s so disgusting.♥ 1source record 3478
I grew up in a house where there were 2-5 dogs at all times. I will never own a dog.♥ 1source record 3516
Yup, I will probably never own a dog. So much work! I have other things I want to spend my time and money on.♥ 1source record 3525
I do not like dogs either, especially now that I have a house and kids... and I have two.♥ 1source record 3532
I’ve had pets since 1995 and my last died two years ago. “Are you going to get another??” Everyone asks. No…not yet. I’m sincerely enjoying my lack of responsibility at the moment. I’m not ready to take that on again!♥ 1source record 3554
Nah, I 100% agree with you! I got a cat when I was like 11 or 12 who lived for a good 20+ years. She was my best friend, but I absolutely know I will never be getting another pet. I don't even think I'll be getting any house plants. There's absolutely no one else in the world for whom I'd go through all of that again. Vet care is exorbitantly expensive, making sure to get the right food and good litter is just another added expense, making sure she was cared for if I went away, cleaning up after her every day. And my cat was chill!! she was easy to take care of, rarely ever had to go to the vet! Insanely healthy old lady!! I can't imagine getting a pet and having them turn out to be medically compex.♥ 1source record 3564
Learned this lesson when my dad in his infinite wisdom decided at 10 I needed to learn responsibility and got us a German Shepherd. I had to to all the responsibility stuff while he got to enjoy having a dog around. It taught me that I didn't want to ever own a dog.♥ 1source record 3598
As an industrious creative sort who likes writing and building a lot, I have never considered getting one, assuming it would just distract me from what I truly love.♥ 1source record 3631
I agree. It's really hard sometimes being responsible for another living thing, not to mention the expense of it all. I absolutely adore my pets but I don't think I'd get more after they're gone.♥ 1source record 3635
This is the reason I wont get a dog until I am retired, they take up time and effort like a kid would. I love my cat, she goes to the washroom on her own in the litter box and covers it up and eats from the automatic feeder and fountain. I can leave her at the house alone for two days if I wanted. She cleans herself and seems to know my boundaries when I am busy because I respect her boundaries when she is not in the mood to cuddle. I also trained my cat to fetch, she gets 3 hours outdoor time from spring to fall and comes back and waits by he door. One advice I can give for your dog or any pets is health insurance. I pay $35/m for the insurance, and so far they have covered 80% of the cost for my cat’s hurt tail ($600 with x-rays), when she couldn’t poop ($400 with x ray), diagnosis of allergy ($200) in the last 1 year alone.♥ 1source record 3640
Yeah I've never been a pet person, don't see the appeal. If I had to I'd get a cat, but even then why would I do that to myself?♥ 1source record 3672
I think for this reason I'm probably going to hold out until near retirement to get a dog. Also, I don't grieve easily.♥ 1source record 3681
I grew up with dogs and none of the responsibilities. Now that I'm an adult I occasionally will miss having a dog but then I think about poop, pee, vomit, vet bills, time, etc and it's easy for me to laugh off that thought. No thank you I'll give my friends pets extra love from me instead.♥ 1source record 3696
YES. I will never own a dog for a few reasons but the amount of work and money.♥ 1source record 3697
Yeah they're nice animals but personally I don't want to own one.♥ 1source record 3750
100% Ive lived alone for 15 years, cant tell you how many times people have asked me why I dont have a dog. Your post is exactly why and vet bills.♥ 1source record 3756
I love dogs and cats but believe owning an animal is too high an opportunity cost… It’s also fucking gross. They’re disgusting even when clean.♥ 1source record 3818
I love dogs, and I’ve always wanted one. But I’m on dialysis & am tired all the time. When my aunt (kindly, not meanly) asked why don’t I have a pet dog, I told her “I want to give any animal I have all the love & attention it deserves. Unfortunately I can’t give it all the love & attention it needs now. Maybe once I get better after my transplant” and she agreed♥ 1source record 3860
I have friends with cats and dogs… pretty much every interaction confirms I will never ever get one. Diarrhea, insane vet bills, hair everywhere, chewed up furniture, poop et al, knocking over kids to the point of harm. Those scratchy excited jumps. Nope nope nope♥ 1source record 3886
As a person who would love to have dogs… I think about this everyday. I don’t have dogs for the same reasons I don’t have kids 😭 but I want a Catahoula so bad♥ 1source record 3937
Thank you for listing all the reasons I'm not a pet owner♥ 1source record 3966
I never understood why dogs are the most popular pets. They bark all the time, it can get costly and what you above stated. There is nothing good about them unless you are scared of being alone and feel protected by a dog. It’s not that I hate dogs. I don’t mind some of them, some can be unbearable though. But I would never want to own one. It always seemed absurd to me. A barking machine that sheds (not all, but a lot of breeds) makes a mess, shits all over your yard, creates a chore of cleaning up after like picking up shit and is costly. People are fkin crazy.♥ 1source record 3969
I had dogs growing up.....love them they are great animals but I agree with your hesitations towards the general care of a dog. Wait till you are on vacation and have to get a sitter. If something is going to go wrong, that is when you should express a crazy scenario to take place lol. I love the cuddles it is very soothing. Due to my sever depressive episodes a dog is not a good fit for my life and would be selfish to put all that work on my spouse. We have a cat and boy oh boy do I love cats as an adult. Had one growing up as well. I like their independence and the love they give....when they want to.♥ 1source record 3970
Lol, growing up with dogs is exactly the reason I have not and will likely never have one as an adult! Far too much work for me.♥ 1source record 4033
“I’m not here to complain about dogs but dogs suck in almost every way “ hahaha just pullin your dick. Personally I don’t like any animals. They’re too needy and I admittedly, selfishly enjoy my peace too much.♥ 1source record 4040
I love dogs but I would NEVER own one, my parents have 5 and I grew up around dogs my whole life but I hate the hair, the mess, the licking, the dog hair, the responsibility, the vet bills, the massive insurance costs, the heart ache. Totally agree with this post, please think long and hard before getting a dog!!♥ 1source record 4091
It is an unpopular opinion but I agree 100%. My experience with dogs is iffy. I grew up with cats so as a kid I was never used to how energetic dogs were and how they don’t really respect your personal space. My childhood friend got a golden retriever at one point, and those teenage puppy years are something else. She ended up growing into a sweet old dog but it took years to get there. I had a college friend who had a heeler mut that was absolutely insufferably the worst dog I ever met. I hated going to her house because this dog was so aggressive with me every time. I tried bringing treats to get her to chill but it didn’t work, to the point I just let the friendship fizzle out because I never wanted to go over to my friends place. I’ve also house sat people with dogs several times who had great pups. But for me, I’ll never have a dog.♥ 1source record 4093
To a degree, I do like dogs, but pets are such a hassle♥ 1source record 4115
These comments are a great reality check for why I don’t think I’ll be getting another dog.♥ 1source record 4185
I hear you, hounds can be very difficult too since they are bred for working. Once my current pets pass I will be taking a break from caretaking.♥ 1source record 4190
I actively will go out of my way to never own a dog, seems like far more effort than it's worth in my eyes♥ 1source record 4201
This is why I don't have a dog!♥ 1source record 4202
Grew up with multiple dogs in my house always 3+. Then we had puppies. The litter was 5. After dealing with small puppies as much as I love dogs I said I will never own one. Boarding it when you leave, the maintenance, and if it's a young dog/puppy it's times ten because as much as they are cute and lovable they are idiots and will eat anything. Turned me into a cat person. Not say my cat isn't a total idiot but it's definitely smarter than most dogs, doesn't eat everything it sees and I can leave it for my 8hr shift at work, don't have to worry about anything, I come home and it loves me. And it's quiet, and clean.♥ 1source record 4276
My biggest takeaway from owning a dog was that I never want to do it again… it’s so much work and responsibility! It’s 100% not worth it to me. When I was single I would immediately swipe no on anyone that had dogs lol.♥ 1source record 4284
Sounds like my last dog. As much as I love dogs, I don’t have the bandwidth or energy to take care of another one. Maybe when I retire & my kids are grown. But they’re a lot of work & very expensive these days. It doesn’t make you a bad person if you know you don’t have it in you to be a dog owner.♥ 1source record 4309
I love dogs. I don't think I want to own one.♥ 1source record 4313
I grew up with dogs so I sort of never new how not to have one. Now living with a child with special needs I would not have one, because it would be so unhygienic and because they need so much attention. So I understand, it’s a big responsibility.♥ 1source record 4329
Sure does. I prefer no pets.♥ 1source record 4389
Yeah. We will not be doing animals again once ours pass away. We take care of them, absolutely. But we won’t be doing it again.♥ 1source record 4395
Eugh, this is unfortunately why even though my husband and i would love a dog, we realised that we really don't want the responsibility. We also work full time at similar hours and travel internationally on average twice a year, it wouldn't be fair to leave them alone that often, but I don't want to give up the spontaneity and freedom in our lives that not having kids already grants us. Pets are hard work when you look after them properly, and I would never get one if I wasn't going to fully commit to proper care. A friend of mine recently dog-sitted for their family member, and whilst she was leaning heavily on not having kids she said it solidified her decision because she couldn't imagine having to look after even the dog full time.♥ 1source record 4469
As much as I'd love to own a dog, I'm really glad I get to hear enough horror stories from you guys to let me know it's a really bad idea♥ 1source record 4474
Yeah I grew up with dogs in my family and I love dogs but I'll never own one myself, I can't handle the responsibilities and it wouldn't be fair to the dog.♥ 1source record 4477
Yeah. Pets are a definite no no for us.♥ 1source record 4500
Definitely an unpopular opinion and I agree. For me, I dislike dogs which is an even more unpopular opinion. I wouldn't live with a dog♥ 0source record 4511
Yep. I've never wanted a dog even though I am sure there are many benefits. I don't want to be personally responsible for a loud, smelly toddler that shits outside and potentially bites people. But they sure are cute and fun.♥ 0source record 4512
Yea I could NEVER 😂 pictures of cute dogs are cool but that’s as much interaction as I ever like to have with one 😅♥ 1source record 4560
Never really liked dogs and visiting people who have them always make my beliefs stronger. They are just so *much*♥ 1source record 4601
I thought about getting a dog after my ex and I separated. But after thinking about it I am definitely not in a place to be able to care for a dog. I barely take care of myself anymore. I don't want have a yard so I'd be going for walks multiple times a day and hoping it doesn't shit in the house while I'm at work. I love dogs, but for now I'll love dogs from a distance.♥ 1source record 4620
I’ve never had one and can tell they’re a lot of work! I love animals but I’m not willing to look after one.♥ 1source record 4627
It's not for everyone, that's for sure. I know myself and I know as much as I would love to have a dog, having grown up with at least two in my parents' house until I moved out, I just wouldn't have the patience to give it the proper attention it deserves.♥ 1source record 4631
Yep, sounds like a living nightmare and all the reasons why I’ll never own one lol♥ 1source record 4648
Could not agree more. I have had many dogs in my life and I finally realized I am just not a dog person at all about 5 years ago. I love dogs but I definitely don’t love living with them.♥ 1source record 4671
ive lived with dogs my whole life, like BIG dogs and i completely agree. i love every dog my family has had, but once im on my own.... never again...♥ 1source record 4692
I've always had dogs in my life but at 50 I'm taking a short break from pets. Love not having that responsibility for awhile. I can travel andvstay out late.♥ 1source record 4759
Thanks for reaffirming why I never want a damn dog 😭♥ 1source record 4769
Yeah I don't take it personally like people assume. It's just not how I would choose to live my life, and it's more so I don't have major pets cause I travel so much tbh. I would love a dog and grew up with family dogs when I lived with my parents. But I love travel more. And think it's sad they don't live super long and would be sad when they died tbh. So I must avoid the heartache for myself.♥ 3source record 5214
This right here. Example why not get a dog, folks. Too much damn maintenance. Time better spent tending a garden, maybe even getting a boat 😂♥ 1source record 5263

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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: A toddler that never grows up

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Why readers chose it: 63 records using one metaphor, and the argument inside the card is about which way it cuts. The dominant version is that a dog is a toddler that never ages out, quoted at ten to fifteen years and at twenty by one commenter. The disagreements are precise: parents pointing out that a dog can be left alone for eight hours and a baby cannot, and that nobody is prosecuted over a dog; and non-parents pointing out that the toddler eventually manages its own toilet. A smaller group reaches for other comparisons — a live-in special-needs dependant, a developmentally delayed child — and this is where the corpus's language gets least careful.

What readers reported: It's toddler-lite, but also, THEY NEVER STOP BEING A TODDLER.

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It's toddler-lite. Like right when they can walk, but still put random stuff in their mouths. I love my dog. But I hate being a dog owner. Never again

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We had a baby and we had a puppy. The puppy was house broken and stopped crying in the night within a few months. Can't say the same about the baby. There's a reason people want a dog instead of a child. They're less responsibility and emotional investment.

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Its like having to care for three year old that stays that stage for yearsuntil suddenly they're old and eventually you get your heart broken.

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Dogs are like kids without the perks of it being an actual person you can do human stuff with. Not for me, more power to ya if you enjoy it, lol.

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Dog ownership is essentially baby-lite.

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Yes they are like children. We do not say that just for shts and giggles lmao

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Dogs are like kids man. They require full attention and training. Anyone who says being a dog parent isn’t like being a real parent in some sense it kind of is because you can’t leave them alone in some aspect and you’re constantly on your toes. It does have some parallels and actually probably the closest thing. I hope it all works out for all of yall.

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I've heard it described as having a 3-year-old that never grows up.♥ 9source record 76
The kids grow out of it. The dogs are permanently toddlers♥ 5source record 201
Dog ownership is essentially baby-lite.♥ 582source record 245
It's toddler-lite. Like right when they can walk, but still put random stuff in their mouths. I love my dog. But I hate being a dog owner. Never again♥ 344source record 246
It's toddler-lite, but also, THEY NEVER STOP BEING A TODDLER.♥ 149source record 247
10-15 years of having a toddler♥ 82source record 248
![gif](giphy|ep78UZy5FVbfN6mhCU) I have a toddler and no dog. I love her with all my heart but I’m in the trenches. I. can. Not. Imagine. 10 years of a toddler♥ 31source record 249
Yeah I compare dogs to toddlers and cats more to teens. Dogs are needy, annoying, messy, and loud. Cats try to pretend they’re too cool for you but want to hang out constantly and in theory can take care of themselves Both are dependents at the end of the day, one just feels a bit more capable♥ 25source record 253
I have a toddler. The main joy I have is watching her grow and learn. I can't imagine investing so much work into a perma-toddler.♥ 11source record 254
Yeah its truly eerily similar. I raised toddlers first. Then got my first dog as an adult. They really are the same in so many ways.♥ 5source record 256
Yes exactly this. They are toddlers with four legs and 100x’s stronger 😵‍💫I’ve raised a kid and a few puppies and I tell you at least the kid grows out of it. My dog is almost ten and she’s still a menace 💀♥ 4source record 257
It’s baby-lite, but for up to 20 years.♥ 112source record 260
It's eternal baby. At least with a baby you get a toddler after a few years and then a teen, and then a while damn human. A dog will need you to shit for the rest of its life. A baby at least only like 3-6 years.♥ 5source record 271
Having a dog is like having a baby for 10+ years pretty much♥ 68source record 378
I always liked having a dog until I had children. Having a dog is like having a toddler without any of the joy of watching it learn and grow. It just stays entirely dependent on you forever. No thanks.♥ 15source record 436
Having a bulldog is like having a 3 year old toddler for 12 years. Stubborn, not too bright, kinda gross around the face with a rash 80% of the time but loves their person like there’s nobody else in the world.♥ 2source record 776
Best way I ever saw it put: Having a dog is like having a toddler. Having a cat is like having a chill roommate.♥ 1source record 986
My friend has always said having a dog is like taking care of a toddler that never grows up♥ 1source record 990
Or baby forever. At least my kid grows up.♥ 2source record 1509
I was told that a dog is like a toddler, and a cat is more like a teenager♥ 1source record 1531
Forever being... 10-16 years.♥ 1source record 1655
Always remember that dogs have the intelligence and awareness of a toddler. You are annoyed with a toddler♥ 19source record 1977
Stuck with a toddler for 10+ years, always worried, always double checking, always paranoid they will hurt themselves. Sounds pretty annoying.♥ 12source record 1978
Yup... owning a dog is like having perpetual 2-3 yr old. owning a cat is like having a perpetual 13 yr old.♥ 3source record 2017
I maintain. Best dog is a dead dog. 🤣 No seriously, I can't do dogs. They are toddlers that never grow up.♥ 2source record 2053
Yes they are like children. We do not say that just for shts and giggles lmao♥ 2source record 2324
Having a dog since it is a puppy is a speed run of end to end care of a live-in special needs person. They will need constant care, how much care is a direct output of how much effort you put into them early but sometimes it just doesn't matter, and then, at the end of their life, it will be just you to ensure they are comfortable as they wont be able to. And then they're gone. But they sure do give you unconditional love fully throughout their journey that's difficult to replace and that's what makes having a dog so special.♥ 1source record 2332
You make really good points. My family has had dogs as pets for quite a while now. The best way I can describe it is it’s like having a furry toddler for a decade or more, depending on the breed.♥ 1source record 2336
I feel like having a dog is like having a toddler with no manners who will never grow up.♥ 1source record 2460
A dog is essentially a perpetual 2 year old with less stakes.♥ 2source record 2465
Its like having to care for three year old that stays that stage for yearsuntil suddenly they're old and eventually you get your heart broken.♥ 1source record 2572
Nawh, its a forever 2yo.♥ 1source record 2615
Gotta remember dogs are basically big toddlers , And also dogs are only as smart as their owners♥ 1source record 2751
It's essentially like adopting a perpetual 2 year old.♥ 1source record 2792
Having a dog is just like having a toddler- 24/7, cannot look away♥ 1source record 2858
Yes a dog is essentially a toddler that never grows up. As a childfree person I don't see it as much different than having a kid. If you care about them that is, and not just keep them confined to a small fenced area in your yard.♥ 1source record 2907
Dogs are just like human babies and/or toddlers. Lots of love and cuteness but you need a babysitter or you can't go to work. There us more but you get the idea.♥ 1source record 2939
Owning a dog is like having a toddler that never progresses past 16 months...♥ 1source record 2971
It's basically like having naked toddlers with sharp teeth. I absolutely adore my boys and they give me joy and a purpose, but I can see how if you're not an animal person/don't attach and imprint on them easily, it wouldn't be fun. Personally I always have at least 1 pet, I would be terribly alone without them♥ 1source record 2975
Someone once told me owning a dog is like taking care of a 3 year old for life. Owning a cat is like living with a 60 year old for life.♥ 1source record 2982
My wife got a dog. It's like a having a two-year old for like 10-15 years.♥ 2source record 3153
It's like one step below having a literal child. I never understand why people are so eager to get one.♥ 1source record 3233
Its like having a kid that stop growing up at 4 and never learns to talk♥ 1source record 3279
They are toddlers that never grow up. Now you know. In 15 years you can say no to another one.♥ 1source record 3395
I equate dogs to a 3-4 year old child. Some can be older like 6ish but not commonly. So your pretty much adopting a toddler that is never going to get older.♥ 1source record 3620
It’s like having a child who doesn’t get past age 3.♥ 1source record 3694
Some people just arent cut out to own dogs. They are literally like raising a toddler for 12 years. Thats why soo many dogs are in shelters, the owners cant handle the reaponsibility.♥ 1source record 3730
Yes it does, it's like having a baby which constantly needs your attention for 10 years.♥ 1source record 3809
Dogs are like kids without the perks of it being an actual person you can do human stuff with. Not for me, more power to ya if you enjoy it, lol.♥ 1source record 3971
Dogs are like eternal toddlers on top of everything he said. Love dogs, but I really would need a dog nanny because I just wanna play, have fun, give treats and not do the rest of the overwhelming amount of work they require.♥ 1source record 4049
I love my golden with my whole heart, but yeah. It’s like having a toddler most days.♥ 1source record 4106
Dogs are basically children. They can’t survive without you. 🤣♥ 1source record 4138
dogs are like having a potty trained 20 month old kid but for 12 or so years.♥ 1source record 4253
Owning a dog is like taking care of a special needs child without the reality that it’s a human being and not a dog.♥ 1source record 4262
Well a dog is like a baby human, just a bit less vulnerable to death.♥ 1source record 4378
That makes a lot of sense, and I totally get that you don't actually "hate" dogs. But fr, owning a dog is basically adopting a furry toddler you have to keep an eye on 24/7. If u aren't ready for that level of constant, everyday care, having a pet will drain you dry.♥ 1source record 4502
Agree. Too much responsibility and for too long. It’s like having a toddler who never grows up.♥ 1source record 4536
I think of dogs as perpetual toddlers whereas cats are perpetual teenagers♥ 1source record 4598
We have a NAID (basically a husky) who’s the same age as as my toddlers and it’s literally like having a third toddler.♥ 1source record 4603
Yup... owning a dog is like having perpetual 2-3 yr old. owning a cat is like having a perpetual 13 yr old.♥ 1source record 4613
Dog shit in the yard is people problem. It doesn't take much to pick it up and dispose properly to keep yard nice and shitless. The other stuff - valid totally. Dogs are like developmentally delayed children, not aware of their strength, and not easy to communicate with. It's harder to have a dog on day to day basis than to have a healthy child, totally.♥ 1source record 4790
Idk where people get the idea dogs are easy. I was always told dogs are like having a toddler that never grows up. You just didn't know what you were getting into.♥ 1source record 4856
Dogs are like kids man. They require full attention and training. Anyone who says being a dog parent isn’t like being a real parent in some sense it kind of is because you can’t leave them alone in some aspect and you’re constantly on your toes. It does have some parallels and actually probably the closest thing. I hope it all works out for all of yall.♥ 0source record 5433

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Why readers chose it: 46 records with actual protocols in them. The most detailed is the reactivity work: mark the dog the instant its ears go up, use high-value treats reserved only for the sight of another dog, cue its name, and turn away when it goes over threshold — with the candid admission that nothing works once it has. Others name the method: a touch command used as the base for everything else, a clicker, a board-and-train at six months, a certified veterinary behaviourist. What makes the card usable rather than promotional is that it carries its own failures — a dog that will not take A5 wagyu once it has seen another dog, and $3,000 of training that left the dog still clingy, still counter-surfing and still barking at everything.

What readers reported: I trained our reactive dog to look at me any time another dog came near us by using treats. She went from trying to lunge at passing dogs to making the positive association that “other dogs = opportunities for snack”. Being very food motivated, she wouldn’t take her eyes off me until the treat was in her mouth. And by the time I stopped and got the treat out of my bag to give to her, the other dog would be long gone and a distant memory.

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I saw a woman and her dog on a very tiny traffic island in the middle of an extremely busy main road. Another guy with a dog joined them, and her dog lost its shit, and pulled her into the traffic. Luckily she wasnt hit, but people should also consider a dogs adult size when they buy one, and if they can physically control it

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Clearly you have only had dogs that aren't stubborn and neurotic.

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My neighbor does that with her yorkies. So whenever I pet sit i send her pics of the dogs poop lol She also adopted a dog that was severely abused, unfortunately 2 months later his body gave in to the previous abuse and lost control of his body . We found out he had 3 fractures in his bones. for those 4 months we were hands on with him, he was a very reactive dog and made impressive progress! with the right research, patience, habit building, and a lot of positive reinforcement its shows you how smart dogs actually are and capable they are too learn. But the reality is I have seen a lot of pet owners treat their pets as... animals. You are that pets world. You are all they know. You are their responsibility . they rely on you for everything. I feel people underestimate the responsibility of owning pets. My dog is 12 years old. We are so attached to one another. When my bf was looking for a place for us to move in to for the first time, he automatically included my dog in the equation.Because he knew that she is my baby and my responsibility. And he treats her with so much love and care. Now we have a cat of 3 years ! It can get frustrating though, I am always aware of the pets routines, they tend to change every so often. There was a time when my doggo woke up at 4 am to have a potty break. I am so attuned to her that i wake up from the pitter patter of her feet, if I dont wake up, she will start being vocal and if me or my bf still for some reason dont wake up, only then will she do her business in the house. We know what are pets want and what they ask for and they know to ask. Its just years of adjusting and communicating with your pets. Not knowing how to train your pets can lead you to reward their bad behaviors without realizing it. like, if they bark, people pick of their dogs, to the dog being picked up is a reward instead of discipline If i could get another chance to raise my dog ,I would ! No regrets! she is the most constant thing in my life and we bring each other so much love and comfort, I dread her final days...Only reason I wouldnt get another dog is cause it wont be her. Maybe in the future.

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The treat only works if you give it before they hit the loose their shit threshold. You have to time it just enough for it to be effectively reduce negative feelings about an object. Too soon it doesn’t work. Too late is simply too late.

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I trained our reactive dog to look at me any time another dog came near us by using treats. She went from trying to lunge at passing dogs to making the positive association that “other dogs = opportunities for snack”. Being very food motivated, she wouldn’t take her eyes off me until the treat was in her mouth. And by the time I stopped and got the treat out of my bag to give to her, the other dog would be long gone and a distant memory.

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Check out the kikopup YouTube channel! She has amaaaaazing vids about training, including around them not eating random shit off the floor, them learning when an activity is not for them and them learning when to settle. But yes having a dog is hard work 😂 i LOOOOOVE my dog more than anything and he 1000% made my life better and I never knew I was capable of love this deep before I met him but if we didn’t have this incredible bond for sure i would find it really hard, looking after other people’s dogs is much harder work!

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Agreed. The fact that you got to" leave it " working is really a huge win. Most owners don't get to that level even. Dogs are scavengers by nature. It's hard to remove something so engrained in their DNA.

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I agree so much. You never get the dog you want, you have to create them with kind and consistent training. I put in a TON of time training and carefully socializing my dogs when they are young (and continue when they are older just not at the same intensity) and they are the best dogs to be around. Calm, confident, well behaved. But I also start with the BEST raw material I can find - meaning I search out reputable preservation breeders who fully health test before breeding, research pedigree to help breed away from genetic issues that cant be tested for, breed for temperament as well and start the puppies off right with Puppy Culture/AVI Dog/ENS/etc. Match temperament tested puppies to puppy buyers…like there is a ton that goes into getting a dog for me. It’s never a sour of the moment “aww hes so cute lets get him” thing. ALL puppies are cute, even ones with debilitating health and temperament issues♥ 4source record 81
I trained our reactive dog to look at me any time another dog came near us by using treats. She went from trying to lunge at passing dogs to making the positive association that “other dogs = opportunities for snack”. Being very food motivated, she wouldn’t take her eyes off me until the treat was in her mouth. And by the time I stopped and got the treat out of my bag to give to her, the other dog would be long gone and a distant memory.♥ 113source record 106
Also- use really good, special treats for this- something extra special she only gets when she sees another dog. It helps speed up the connection between "sees a dog" and treats.♥ 3source record 110
Some simple sensitivity training might help. A bag of high value rewards (the best treats) and constant praise in the presence of other dogs. Once she notices a strange dog, call her name to get her attention and give her a treat while telling her she's a good girl. This gets repeated every ten or so seconds. Just enough time for her to notice the stranger, look back at you, get a reassuring treat and good girl. I've seen it work wonders with other dogs so just thought I'd suggest it ❤♥ 11source record 111
A lot of dogs need taught to chill out, it is breed dependent whether they do it naturally. There are videos on YouTube that can show you techniques for teaching calmness. I've had a lab x German shepherd and now have a working line lab, I had to train both of them to settle down between walks but it didn't take too long, they both turned into high speed idiots outdoors and couch potatoes at home. I have a feeling terriers have more restless energy than bigger dogs though and it's probably tougher to teach calmness to two at a time, sorry!♥ 4source record 208
Honestly most of the problems go away with training yourself to be a better dog owner. It takes practice. I didn't have everything down till my 3rd dog. But i learned from each experience. Most important is the dog walk. I have a huge back yard. But I walk him daily 30 minutes morning and evening for a total of one hour . It's our bonding time. No poop or pee in the home or back yard ever. Also training them early to not eat street food is the hardest part. This avoids all the runny diarrhea and harder to control bowel movements on their part. But you have to start early and follow strict training guide lines Preventing unwanted behaviour is infinitely esier than removing it onces it's established . Yes it is work responsibility and money. But the mental health benefits plus the physical health benefits from walking an extra hour a day are severely udderstated .♥ 2source record 871
This. Too many people think that training is a one and done deal and not ongoing reinforcement of those behaviors and boundaries.♥ 2source record 912
100% true. I have a GSD and a corgi, both high energy smart herding breeds. They're fantastic dogs. But we put in the work when they were young. We crate trained, socialized with dogs and people, desensitized baths and nail trims, continually work on commands. They're 3 and 7, and couldn't ask for better dogs♥ 1source record 922
This is what everyone and their grandmother says is the solution, but that requires a dog that is actually interested in you or the treat. Ours will not give a single fuck about anything else than the other dog. I can waft A5 Wagyu in front of him and he will not give 2 shits.♥ 3source record 933
Good point - training is a great way to bond with the dog and can really help with some of the frustrations. For example: \- You can train him to poop only in a specific place in the yard \- Teaching them to consistently sit or lie down and stay is super helpful. Like when you’re playing with your kid, you can get the dog to lie down and just watch (really, you can) \- fun games your kid can do with them as he gets older. Things like hide and seek (with either the kid hiding or you hide treats or a toy) or if the dog likes to fetch, you can teach the dog to give you the ball or stick back, then sit and wait, then you throw the ball and release the dog. Once the dog has it down really well with you, teach the kid how to do it, bingo, you’ve now created an activity that will entertain both the dog and the kiddo while you sit in a chair and chill out! \- teaching them to come to you when you need them to is also so helpful in a lot of ways.♥ 2source record 951
Have you heard of tattle training? Works really well on dog reactive dogs, I recommend canine_consilience and her tecnique on Instagram. Her tecnique webinar is great.♥ 2source record 962
I’ll check her out later, thanks! Based on a quick google search though, this is basically what we do. It’s definitely the thing that works best. She’s made a ton of progress, and does really well when I see the dog first and am able to cue her and warn her. We’re still working on dogs that she sees first or ones that take us by surprise.♥ 1source record 963
What worked for us is going to a large park where we knew people would be walking dogs. We'd keep our distance and as soon as our dog would see another dog, we'd instantly say his name and give him a treat. Each time he'd look at the other dog we'd distract him again with a treat. Essentially we sought out encounters with other dogs to expose our dog and teach him that strange dogs=treats. Gradually we started walking closer to other dogs until now he can handle being across the street from another dog pretty well. He still barks if taken by surprise by a dog coming around a corner, but he's way better than he used to be.♥ 2source record 970
Its work but it can be trained out. We took our DDR Shepard to a trainer in north carolina named Alicia and he's *much* better in public now. We recently took him to a dog friendly, packed venue and he was near perfect♥ 1source record 999
Agreed. The fact that you got to" leave it " working is really a huge win. Most owners don't get to that level even. Dogs are scavengers by nature. It's hard to remove something so engrained in their DNA.♥ 1source record 1006
Oh wow. I wish I had thought of this. I'm going to try this for my dog. She's not reactive, but she is terrified of strangers and this would be way more helpful than her panic barking at them.♥ 1source record 1012
I've tried that, my dog is very food motivated any other time, but when she sees another dog on our walks she loses all interest in treats.♥ 1source record 1013
> You can't explain anything to them, and they never grow up. The dog is not at fault. You can absolutely explain things to them, but you have to do it in a way that makes logical sense to them. First, feed them food and treats at consistent times. Reserve the words "good god" and "bad dog" for when she does things you like or do not like, and then again when you feed and pet her. If she has been a bad dog, say "bad dog" immediately to the behavior and then when she comes to for her normal treat time say "bad dog" again. Dont give her pets or a treat. Eventually she will connect that "bad dog" is a bad thing because she'll remember her belly aching from not getting the treat. When you correct her behavior in the future she'll immediately respond to find the correct behavior. Say good dog when she does what you want every time she does it and you'll have a happy obedient dog.♥ 3source record 1023
It is very simple to change a dog's behavior. It just takes knowledge and patience. And treats. Your comment sounds like someone who has never trained a dog before. They absolutely do not show anything close to the same behavior throughout their lives even without training. Dogs have stages of maturity and behavior. And you absolutely can explain almost anything they could need to know to them. Dogs can learn over 1000 words, if that is not enough for you to communicate with them then that is not the dog's problem. Not to mention the many other forms of communication. Ironically, you show the exact problem with dogs. That is, people don't understand how they work!♥ 5source record 1071
I was worried about that too. That the treat will be interpreted as barking like crazy=good. But when they're that disregulated, they aren't making those sort of connections. They think there is deadly peril, so a thoughtful consideration of treat correlation isn't happening. But it is important to get the timing right. The INSTANT they begin to perk up, like RIGHT when their ears raise, you gotta be on them with the treats to break the cycle. That's why it's helpful to actively seek out other dogs for exposure. Chances are you'll see the dog first since your dog will be sniffing trees or whatever else, so you can absolutely be ready to start hitting them with treats as soon as they see them.♥ 1source record 1107
It involved a shock collar and a second dog that was highly trained. Positive reinforcement is also used, but for major aggression correction the e-collar is used because its super quick and puts the dogs attention back onto you and away from whoever / whatever they're showing aggression too. It also included leash work too. We spent a couple days with her at the start and end of the month that she had him for training♥ 1source record 1108
Oof. That’s tough. He’s got trauma now too. I engaged a certified veterinary behaviorist trainer. It did help a lot. Unfortunately she was my service dog, so better is not good enough.♥ 1source record 1114
It makes life SO SO hard. Training has helped! I found someone who specialized in reactive dogs.♥ 1source record 1248
My neighbor does that with her yorkies. So whenever I pet sit i send her pics of the dogs poop lol She also adopted a dog that was severely abused, unfortunately 2 months later his body gave in to the previous abuse and lost control of his body . We found out he had 3 fractures in his bones. for those 4 months we were hands on with him, he was a very reactive dog and made impressive progress! with the right research, patience, habit building, and a lot of positive reinforcement its shows you how smart dogs actually are and capable they are too learn. But the reality is I have seen a lot of pet owners treat their pets as... animals. You are that pets world. You are all they know. You are their responsibility . they rely on you for everything. I feel people underestimate the responsibility of owning pets. My dog is 12 years old. We are so attached to one another. When my bf was looking for a place for us to move in to for the first time, he automatically included my dog in the equation.Because he knew that she is my baby and my responsibility. And he treats her with so much love and care. Now we have a cat of 3 years ! It can get frustrating though, I am always aware of the pets routines, they tend to change every so often. There was a time when my doggo woke up at 4 am to have a potty break. I am so attuned to her that i wake up from the pitter patter of her feet, if I dont wake up, she will start being vocal and if me or my bf still for some reason dont wake up, only then will she do her business in the house. We know what are pets want and what they ask for and they know to ask. Its just years of adjusting and communicating with your pets. Not knowing how to train your pets can lead you to reward their bad behaviors without realizing it. like, if they bark, people pick of their dogs, to the dog being picked up is a reward instead of discipline If i could get another chance to raise my dog ,I would ! No regrets! she is the most constant thing in my life and we bring each other so much love and comfort, I dread her final days...Only reason I wouldnt get another dog is cause it wont be her. Maybe in the future.♥ 2source record 1691
I agree that dogs are a lot of work in the initial stages. When you first get them, you have to house train them, set routines and manage separation anxiety. I think it was after 2 years, I was comfortable with my dogs(as in, we reached understanding of each other). 2 years because they were suddenly afraid of different things after 8 months and then also had a teenage phase. They are mutts so I didn't have much breed concerns. I think I would do it all over again. If you truly enjoy giving, and got patience, it's worth it for having a lifelong companion. I know my dogs poop once or twice a day. I've seen their pattern, I know even what time they poop. I can pick it right away so it's never a hassle for me, especially since one time is always on a walk. I know their habits, what time they eat, what time they want to play(which btw is also what you establish, dogs can also learn your schedule). If you start playing either your dog at 6 am everyday...don't be mad your dog wants to play at 6 am! If you've set bedtime at 9:30 pm, again don't be mad if they want to go to bed at 9:30 pm. If you are not a routine oriented person, don't get a dog. I think it's even that simple. If you cannot set a consistent schedule with minimal variation, then a dog isn't for you. I was a very messy schedule person and it was really getting me sad because I felt like I couldn't get my shit together. Dogs were a great motivator for fixing that lol. I guess the only thing I regret is making their walk time 6-7 pm everyday(depending on time saving). I feel like I can't have much of a social life after work and limit myself to a deadline to return on weekends. But it's fine, I find other ways that I can(discord, weekend daytime hangouts, etc)♥ 2source record 1693
another thing, a lot of folks do not understand how much training goes into teaching your dogs manners/safety. i took me two years for my dog to be properly trained and socialized since she was a rescued stray, so she had a lot of anxiety and wasn’t confident in herself. it took a lot of trial and error to see what worked for her and what didn’t but the reward was worth it and she’s become more calm and well mannered. now, i just gotta figure out how to get her to calm down while me, my husband, and his dog are walking together 😭.♥ 2source record 1774
Positive reinforcement, (with neutral reinforcement and negative reinforcement where necessary). I started with training a touch command, using that you can train like 90% of the other commands by guiding them with the touch command. When they do something you like you mark it with something (i use a clicker) and then you give them a treat. Its also important to not hold the treats while training or else your dog will only listen when you are holding treats (i learned that the hard way and had to untrain it). Instead keep a bag on you with treats or keep them in your pocket. Start with high value as they are really motivating (i used turkey dogs as turkey is relativelg healthy low sodium and all of that and doesnt have most of the common allergens) once your dog is able to listen with high value you start mixing in low value like training treats and kibble. Once you have commands learned you start doing pop quizzes. Once or twice a day you just ask your dog to do something randomly. If they do it they get the highest value treat if they dont. Then you pretend like nothing happened. Tbh thats good for things like sit, stay, down, etc. But for reactivity i would recommend getting a trainer to work with. My dog is reactive (she gets excited and wants to go meet other dogs, but tends to start freaking out and scream). She used to lunge after cars, bunnies, cats, people, etc and after a lotnof work she can now walk past almost all of those with no problem. She just struggles with other dogs. You also have to be aware that training is a forever thing. You dont have to constantly rework every single thing youve done but you do need to have refreshers every once in a while. If you dont your dog will start to slip into old habits or wont listen as well.♥ 5source record 1779
Owning a dog is a lot of work. Training should be part of the deal. I had a dog for 14 years. When he was 3 years old, I had him tested (I did the training) and we became a therapy dog team. We worked together for 10 years in hospitals, camps, airports. He was a pug mix. I want to say he was an "easy" dog, but I put a LOT of work into all of it. I adopted a new dog and I basically realized that I suck at all of this: dog owning, dog training. Why? Because he's a different dog, a different personality, a different breed, and my grief meant my head wasn't into training. Also, he has twice as much energy as my last dog and he is a little anxious. I could not connect with him at all. I ended up hiring a trainer and things are a lot better now. But it's still WORK. I do think walking your dog is important, not just letting him outside in the backyard to shit -- long, tiring walks that help with socialization, energy level, etc.♥ 3source record 1951
This is good stuff. My dog is a huge amount of work but she's part of the family. It's very eye opening being an owner rather than a kid in a house with parents doing all this stuff. One thing I will say is getting the best care is important, training, supplements etc make a huge difference. You can absolutely address things like being clingy by building the dogs confidence, simple stuff but sounds like it might help. Also, if you're not doing it already adding some dog specific finger pellets to food every day helps with poo issues♥ 1source record 2432
There are three commands that every owner should lock down, or you're going to have a bad time: * Stay. * Leave it. * Touch/come (recall) Dog joining in with 2yo is a "stay" issue. Dog's probably too old now, but for everyone else, you have that first year to turn those three commands into holy writ for the dog. Those three commands will save their lives.♥ 1source record 2504
I think it's important to note that if you put in the effort up front with training, particularly around separation anxiety, mental stimulation and obedience it makes the overall experience feel much smoother/easier. Still a lot of good points, it is a big responsibility and does add all these extra "bits" into your daily life, and it can be tiresome at times!♥ 1source record 2800
We put 3k into training and the dog is still clingy af, counter surfs, and barks at everything. Sometimes training doesn't help. 😂♥ 1source record 3198
I love owning a dog but it’s not easy. I really love bonding & training with them. I actually wish more people were aware of your concerns BEFORE getting one because dogs are not all a walk in the park. My current one is mixed with various intelligent working breeds & I must’ve put 100s of hours into training & socializing him at only 7mo old now, and any less I think he’d be complete mayhem. There’s some breeds that are a bit easier & reputable breeders should be used for them. Rescuing is amazing and what I did but can of course come with harder dogs to train unfortunately.♥ 1source record 3513
I agree, to an extent my dad gave me his american bulldog cuz he live alone and couldn't take care and give her the attention she needed, my god when she was a baby she chewed anything wooden in the house loose floor tiles, table legs, you name it, whenever i played with her she would bite really hard so whenever she did i'd grab her snout and hold her mouth shut for a couple seconds i would also kinda shove my hand side ways into her mouth against the back of her jaw so she could naw at it and if she did it to hard i'd grab her snout again, i'm not sure if that helped but she's never bitten hard enough to hurt ever since when i play with her she has also never bitten anyone else that plays with her like friends and other family, shes not spayed so at times she does play a little more aggressively when shes on her period, shes a fiend when shes other dogs i just have to hold her by the harness and let them pass she just wants to go sniff the other dog but she like charges at them to do so, and i'd rather not scare the other dog there owner, but all in all it is a hassle but i've been living with dogs my entire 26 years on this planets so im more then accustomed to how much responsibility and time they take up♥ 1source record 3793
Check out the kikopup YouTube channel! She has amaaaaazing vids about training, including around them not eating random shit off the floor, them learning when an activity is not for them and them learning when to settle. But yes having a dog is hard work 😂 i LOOOOOVE my dog more than anything and he 1000% made my life better and I never knew I was capable of love this deep before I met him but if we didn’t have this incredible bond for sure i would find it really hard, looking after other people’s dogs is much harder work!♥ 1source record 4571
Everything you said can easily be fixed with training. I taught my dogs "back" for when they get too close, they'll back up until I call them to "come snuggle" which is another command. They know "leave it" which teaches them to leave anything alone I don't want them to eat or interact with. For the poop, I found having bags attached to the leash makes it way less of a hassle to clean up after them. You just clean up the poo and throw it away. If it's a fenced in yard, you can get a poop scooper and clean it every couple days or even every day to be thorough. I hope some of this helps♥ 1source record 4762
I have 2 dogs both Siberian huskies one I rescuedroughly 13 years ago the best dog I've ever met I have him off leashed trained and was. Full fledge service dog until the retired. But that took hours of training and a lot of work he's an amazing dog my rock through hard times I wouldn't trade him for all the money in the world. He still plays fetch with me and is healthy as an ox I will say when he was younger we would exercise for 4 hours a day mon that's what suggested for huskies when they are young he also had constant mental stimulation from training and just everyday activities. It takes dedication to have a well trained and obedient dog. Most people never understand this and that's why so many young adult dogs end up in shelters.♥ 1source record 4825
I have a 4 year old corgi. They are smart as heck so definitely need mental exercise as well as physical. I will probably never get another breed. He was a nightmare until we sent him to a board and train at 6 months old. Now most people are like "what did you do to your dog, i have never met a corgi who listens so well". Also important to biy from a breeder and not a puppy mill♥ 1source record 4944
If they’re treat motivated in general, it may be they’re too stressed to eat if a dog is near. It’s not easy but you have to be able to catch when they first see another dog, but aren’t too anxious to eat. Grisha Stewart’s Behavioral Adjustment Training (BAT) explains this in much more depth if you’re interested.♥ 1source record 4988
"Eyes on me" - but it doesn't always work. Honestly, we mostly utilize the U-turn. If he's past his reaction threshold, nothing I say or offer will get him to not lunge at the other dog. He's still just a baby and we're working on it. But he weighs over 100lbs already so we need to get it under control.♥ 1source record 4991
It works with thunder too. Boom. Treat. Boom. Treat. I’ve had much better luck with thunder than other dogs though. Because I cannot control what other dogs and their owners are doing outside … we unexpectedly end up being too close to each other and my dog is over threshold♥ 1source record 4992
I’ve heard that prong collars seem to be really effective, but I don’t want to use that on my dog♥ 1source record 4993
I bring a cheese stick in my pocket.♥ 1source record 4994
Thank you for your response. A lot of the training videos I’ve seen use prong collars, which I don’t want to do. It’s tough having a reactive dog! But I love him and he’s the light of my life. I will keep trying with the training.♥ 1source record 5001
The treat only works if you give it before they hit the loose their shit threshold. You have to time it just enough for it to be effectively reduce negative feelings about an object. Too soon it doesn’t work. Too late is simply too late.♥ 1source record 5027
Only if the dog has interest in treats. I’ve got a hunting breed that is not interested in food at all when outside. All the lovely smells! There is never a good time for her to get a treat when facing other dogs. She got reactive from a confrontation with an unleashed dog. Classic.♥ 2source record 5028

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Anxiety medication for the dog10 index entriesThe specific drugs commenters name, with what each owner says it did and did not fix.
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Anxiety medication for the dog

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Situation: Medicating a dog for reactivity, separation anxiety or storm panic

Why readers chose it: 10 records naming specific drugs and what each one did. Fluoxetine is the one most often credited, including by an owner whose dog previously barked at a moving dot four blocks away; the same owners are candid that it reduced the anxiety without removing the reactivity. Others name gabapentin alongside it, clomicalm with behavioural work, and trazodone for storms — and one owner says trazodone is the only thing that touches it and still is not enough. One commenter supplies the timing detail the rest imply: two to three months to full effect, with appetite loss and worse behaviour first. The card's most useful record is the one noting that no trainer or vet they saw ever raised medication, answered by somebody whose trainers were actively against it.

What readers reported: My dog is on Prozac/Gabapentin as well. It has made a difference for him. Be aware that it really doesn’t reach its ultimate effectiveness until 2 to 3 months later. In fact, in the beginning, it curbs their appetite and the behavior may get worse for a bit. My dog used to be extremely reactive to any noise, people, dogs, TV shows. Now, he isn’t bothered by fireworks, loud noises, traffic on the road, people… he still gets a little nervous seeing other dogs, but is food motivated and looks to me to give him a treat. I started using his kibbles instead, because the treat distraction was really getting out of control. If a person/dog seemingly appears out of nowhere, he still barks, but will stop right away, once I evaluated the perceived threat and say, “No barks!” I also don’t give a treat when he does bark without a good reason.

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I’m lmao at the idea of Freddy showing up and making it rain before he starts chasing you down

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I trained our reactive dog to look at me any time another dog came near us by using treats. She went from trying to lunge at passing dogs to making the positive association that “other dogs = opportunities for snack”. Being very food motivated, she wouldn’t take her eyes off me until the treat was in her mouth. And by the time I stopped and got the treat out of my bag to give to her, the other dog would be long gone and a distant memory.

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You may already be doing this, but Prozac worked wonders for our cranky weiner dog. Literally if any other living creature existed in the same square mile, our dog would get so damn anxious he would bark his freaking head off at a moving dot 4 blocks away. Now his ears will perk at a dog across the street but he'll move on if I say his name. Treat bombing when the dog is stressed has helped a ton as well. Our trainer put it this way: It's normal to get nervous when Freddy Krueger comes in your house, but you'll learn to live with it if he throws hundred dollar bills at you when he comes.

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My wife had two golden prior to me meeting her. They are now 11. Every time it storms (we live in Fl) my anxiety goes through the roof. We have a furbo camera and when I’m at work I just know that they are freaking out. One of them pees and poops in the house if it’s a storm with thunder and lightning and NOTHING I do helps. He’s prescribed trazadone and that is the only thing that even affects him in the slightest. But then, when my mother in law watched him they gave him too much trazadone and he had diahrea and now they refuse to watch him. I love them, but my wife and I will never go through this again. Dogs with anxiety are extremely difficult to deal with. My job is stressful enough I don’t want to come home to a dog that has torn through a door and jumped on the bed just to relieve himself.

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I’ve seen several comments now where people mentioned antidepressants and now I wonder because none of the trainers or vets I saw offered that as an option.

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You may already be doing this, but Prozac worked wonders for our cranky weiner dog. Literally if any other living creature existed in the same square mile, our dog would get so damn anxious he would bark his freaking head off at a moving dot 4 blocks away. Now his ears will perk at a dog across the street but he'll move on if I say his name. Treat bombing when the dog is stressed has helped a ton as well. Our trainer put it this way: It's normal to get nervous when Freddy Krueger comes in your house, but you'll learn to live with it if he throws hundred dollar bills at you when he comes.♥ 405source record 100
Thank you for the suggestion (genuinely). She is on Prozac and it does make a huge difference in her anxiety, but not enough to eliminate her reactivity. She had a fair amount of anxiety before being attacked (she’s a rescue and I’m certain experienced abuse), but was at least well socialized with other dogs. I’ve talked to her vet about some additional meds or alternatives, but we’ve (vet and I) decided Prozac is her best bet for right now. The treat bombing I may give a shot. She’s not super food/treat motivated, but it can’t hurt to try.♥ 36source record 109
Same thing happened to us. And Prozac saved us too♥ 2source record 965
My dog is on Prozac/Gabapentin as well. It has made a difference for him. Be aware that it really doesn’t reach its ultimate effectiveness until 2 to 3 months later. In fact, in the beginning, it curbs their appetite and the behavior may get worse for a bit. My dog used to be extremely reactive to any noise, people, dogs, TV shows. Now, he isn’t bothered by fireworks, loud noises, traffic on the road, people… he still gets a little nervous seeing other dogs, but is food motivated and looks to me to give him a treat. I started using his kibbles instead, because the treat distraction was really getting out of control. If a person/dog seemingly appears out of nowhere, he still barks, but will stop right away, once I evaluated the perceived threat and say, “No barks!” I also don’t give a treat when he does bark without a good reason.♥ 1source record 1010
And then they blame you for not “socializing” your dog enough. My Yorkie was attacked by a wild turkey trying to protect her brood; she chased him for about a quarter mile down the road. He was 6 months old at that time. He was understandably leery of any animal bigger than him since. Prozac made all the difference for him.♥ 2source record 1069
Yeah, I have mine on Clomicalm, which helps. And we did behavioral training, which also helped. But we still have to do this whole desensitization routine that takes a month to meet a new person and he’s just never gonna be comfortable with other dogs ever again.♥ 2source record 1133
My wife had two golden prior to me meeting her. They are now 11. Every time it storms (we live in Fl) my anxiety goes through the roof. We have a furbo camera and when I’m at work I just know that they are freaking out. One of them pees and poops in the house if it’s a storm with thunder and lightning and NOTHING I do helps. He’s prescribed trazadone and that is the only thing that even affects him in the slightest. But then, when my mother in law watched him they gave him too much trazadone and he had diahrea and now they refuse to watch him. I love them, but my wife and I will never go through this again. Dogs with anxiety are extremely difficult to deal with. My job is stressful enough I don’t want to come home to a dog that has torn through a door and jumped on the bed just to relieve himself.♥ 1source record 3820
Prozac and trazadone dog here! Also a rescue, also abused (she had three cracked ribs when she was caught, the breaks outlined the toe of a boot). She’s reactive to feet and needs to know you’re going to touch her.♥ 1source record 4980
I’ve seen several comments now where people mentioned antidepressants and now I wonder because none of the trainers or vets I saw offered that as an option.♥ 0source record 5440
Some trainers are against it. The trainers I hired a long time ago were skeptical about the use of medicine, so I kept thinking it must have been a "training" problem. Until my parents traumatized our dog so much, that we HAD to go seek medical advice from a veterinary behaviourist. Mind you, the pills are just an aid to the training. They help the dog feel less anxious and fearful so he can actually listen to you. I regret not doing it sooner, it really did change our lives and, mostly, his.♥ 2source record 5441

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Daycare, walkers, sitters and yard services23 index entriesPaying somebody else to absorb the schedule, with the prices these commenters paid for it.
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Daycare, walkers, sitters and yard services

23 source records

Situation: Buying back the parts of the schedule you cannot cover

Why readers chose it: 23 records about paying somebody else to do it. The prices are stated: $45 a week for a yard cleaned once a week, $20 a week for the same job elsewhere, and daycare used two days a week explicitly to buy the owner a break. A scoop service is recommended independently by several commenters who describe it as one of the best purchases they made. The most specific advice in the card is about boarding a reactive dog: several report that facilities offering solo play and separate yards exist but do not advertise it, and that an overnight trial while still in town is how they found out whether it would work.

What readers reported: I have 3, we have someone clean the yard once a week for $45. They entertain each other. I will say that these are likely my last dogs. My youngest child is 12, my youngest dog is 4. In 12 or so years, when the last one passes, we're done. Now, talk about getting hurt. In June my youngest dog caught a hook on the edge of the patio and tore all the skin off her right side. She had to have 2 surgeries and the book was $4500 so I understand your sentiment.

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We live with my in-laws and they wouldn’t be ok with that. No, they are not capable of doing anything beyond reinforcing bad behavior and coddling him when he has an accident inside (because they wouldn’t let him out). My problems are bigger than the dog, I know

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> I can’t board them because she’s a reactive dog As someone with an extremely reactive dog, professional trainer said top 5 worst dog out of 100s .... i would call around boarding facilities with large areas ...i was so scared to leave my dog with anyone for similar concerns, but they worked with me (we did overnight trial while i was in town and worked from there) it changed my life for me, a good boarding facility can handle a reactive dog, and my dog has come around to LOVE them as if they were family unfortunately, it's not always cheapest option

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We lucked out finding a boarding facility that accepts reactive dogs. The owner is fantastic. They do small group play for some dogs but reactive dogs get solo play with staff. But before I had a reactive dog (who was fine before she was attacked by an off leash dog), I could not begin to understand the hoops you jump through for your dog. Everything takes extra planning. Despite it all, she’s the best and I love her so much. I just wish I could tell her that we are always going to keep her safe and she doesn’t need to stress.

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So I work from home most of the time and my pets clingyness can get overwhelming sometimes so we've started doing two days of daycare each week so they can socialize with others, exercise AND give me a little break lol

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I just let my gardener deal with the poo and don't go walking around back there.. its hilarious to me how much poo he mows lol. (Yes I'm terrible). Couldn't love my Aussies more though they're a gift from the gods except when they puke/poo on the carpet

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We lucked out finding a boarding facility that accepts reactive dogs. The owner is fantastic. They do small group play for some dogs but reactive dogs get solo play with staff. But before I had a reactive dog (who was fine before she was attacked by an off leash dog), I could not begin to understand the hoops you jump through for your dog. Everything takes extra planning. Despite it all, she’s the best and I love her so much. I just wish I could tell her that we are always going to keep her safe and she doesn’t need to stress.♥ 5source record 118
Find a local pet sitter or see if someone will house sit and pet sit at the same time.♥ 1source record 572
I have a pet sitter stay at my house. My dogs love her so much. She also walks them from time to time. I could never board them.♥ 1source record 573
> I can’t board them because she’s a reactive dog As someone with an extremely reactive dog, professional trainer said top 5 worst dog out of 100s .... i would call around boarding facilities with large areas ...i was so scared to leave my dog with anyone for similar concerns, but they worked with me (we did overnight trial while i was in town and worked from there) it changed my life for me, a good boarding facility can handle a reactive dog, and my dog has come around to LOVE them as if they were family unfortunately, it's not always cheapest option♥ 2source record 960
There are boarding places that take reactive dogs and will give them solo care without putting them in daycare with other dogs, FYI. It’s not always advertised, so it’s worth asking the boarding places around you if they offer. It is more expensive because you’re paying for walks and solo play, but I found a great place after my previously very social dog became reactive due to a poorly managed daycare.♥ 2source record 961
I have a reactive dog too and have only found one place that I can board her. They have different fenced yard areas to separate the dogs so they all can get 5x yard sessions every day. Too bad the guys wife got cancer and they sold. The new owners kinda suck :(♥ 1source record 995
Call around. Near me there is a boarding kennel literally built for reactive dogs.♥ 1source record 996
The place I board my dog will take “problem” dogs and give them solo play time for an extra charge, might be an option near you♥ 1source record 998
After the big melt is the ONE time a year I actually pay someone to pick up the poo♥ 1source record 1529
I can relate to this as I have my two rescues. Fortunately, they go to a dog daycare that offers boarding. So for instance, say I’m running late from an evening obligation or something, they can just be boarded and I can pick them up the next morning. I know it’s a privilege depending on where you live and what options are available.♥ 2source record 1758
You didnt consider that dogs… shit? Prior to getting one..? Hire a scoop service♥ 3source record 1836
There are services that can clean the backyard poop for you♥ 2source record 2082
I thought you were going to bring up neverending dogwalking responsibilities, but you didn't even touch it. I grew up with a dog and maybe that's why I think this portrayal does not sound so bad, but then again my parents currently have a beagle who is on Prozac and can't be by herself even for a moment so has to go to doggy day care whenever my parents want to do anything as a result.♥ 1source record 2515
I just let my gardener deal with the poo and don't go walking around back there.. its hilarious to me how much poo he mows lol. (Yes I'm terrible). Couldn't love my Aussies more though they're a gift from the gods except when they puke/poo on the carpet♥ 1source record 2808
There was a time, in a much better economy, when we paid a pooper scooper company to come pick up after our dogs!! They’d even deodorize the patio!! Gosh how I miss feeling “suburban riche”😩 But add me to the mix of people recommending better training for your sweet girl. Hopefully, this can include getting her accustomed to going when she gets her walks instead of random yard bombs!!♥ 1source record 2862
I'm sorry. Dogs really are a ton of work. Sounds like you might be having some breed specific issues here btw. Not all dog breeds are created equal. Of course every dog is unique but there are traits that you can learn about when choosing the right dog for you. Also, hire a pooper scooper company. They are one of the very best investments i ever made when i had dogs. They only come once a week usually but it's so nice to have help.♥ 1source record 2878
I have 3, we have someone clean the yard once a week for $45. They entertain each other. I will say that these are likely my last dogs. My youngest child is 12, my youngest dog is 4. In 12 or so years, when the last one passes, we're done. Now, talk about getting hurt. In June my youngest dog caught a hook on the edge of the patio and tore all the skin off her right side. She had to have 2 surgeries and the book was $4500 so I understand your sentiment.♥ 1source record 3276
Feed the dog higher quality food so that it all actually gets digested and used by the body instead of just being shit out because it's filler. Then the cleaning the dog shit part won't be near as bad and you do know you can pay somebody $20 a week to come clean your backyard of the dog shit. Anything that that dog doesn't know is because you didn't teach it it's just that simple so you can't complain because it reflects directly back on to you♥ 1source record 3830
So I work from home most of the time and my pets clingyness can get overwhelming sometimes so we've started doing two days of daycare each week so they can socialize with others, exercise AND give me a little break lol♥ 1source record 3997
Seems like very real honest complaints. I’d fence a little area off for her and have her shit and piss there. Then, pay a lawn company to pick it up whenever they come.♥ 1source record 4110
Just fyi there are services that come clean dog shit out of your yard for you..I was surprised to learn this onr myself. Someone did I think an AMA about a month back or so saying this company their build picking up dog shit from yards gets them 250k revenue a month... Anyway Google for something like that, 1 problem solved right ? :)♥ 1source record 4226
I just started paying for a poop scooping service to come clean up after my dog once a week. So far, no complaints. My dog leaves massive piles behind and its great to just have someone else deal with it. They even leave my dog a little treat behind afterwards.♥ 1source record 4462
Sounds like paying someone for dog shit cleaning service would likely change your life May be worth the 40 or so bucks a week♥ 1source record 4866

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Choosing a lazy, small or senior dog on purpose109 index entriesThe most practical answer in the thread: pick a dog whose needs you can already meet, and the breeds people name for it.
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Choosing a lazy, small or senior dog on purpose

109 source recordsDiscussed

Situation: Reducing the burden by choosing a dog with smaller needs rather than trying harder

Why readers chose it: 109 records recommending a lower-need dog instead of more owner effort. The breeds named repeatedly are greyhounds and whippets — described by several ex-racing owners as sprinters that sleep the rest of the day on two short walks — plus pugs, shih tzus, bichons, cavaliers, French and English bulldogs, Boston terriers, beagle mixes, giant breeds and livestock guardians. The mechanical arguments are consistent: a small dog produces small waste, can be picked up out of danger, and costs less to feed. The card also carries its own caveats from inside — bulldogs need daily wrinkle and ear care, frenchies are needy rather than low-effort, and sighthounds have a prey drive that rules out a house with a cat.

What readers reported: That’s why I only get lazy breeds. I’m happy with a dog that has maybe 4 hours of buzz each day to interact and play and prefers to spend the rest of their time lounging around.

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I went the opposite way, but for the same reason. My Blue Staffy is a ball of muscle and teeth but is not at all aggressive to people or dogs. They are love sponges, more concerned with getting pets and treats and getting to run around at the dog park than with what any other dog might be posturing about. I kind of think (talking out my ass here) it is because he is so confident in his own strength that he dosent overly care about threats from other dogs.

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Shockingly, I have a lazy Husky, that doesn't bark, howl, or scream. I think she's broken 😂 the only time I hear her "scream" is when she yawns in the morning. She's clever af, the only dog I've had that revognizes mw through a window, the other thinks I'm a stranger and barks at me 🙄. I think the longest we've played fetch is 20 mins before she's like meh, I'd rather lay down. She's nosey, she loves sniff walks and looking at people, and her personality is literally like an old lady who watches people through the curtains. We have a deck and she likes to plonk herself on the steps and people watch over the wall/fence, so I sit with her and people watch too and she's happy as can be. I really lucked out rescuing her. My other dog, a poodle mix is fucking bat shit. I love and resent her. She's super obedient and 100% listens, but everything is done at 100 miles an hour, no in between. 😅

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Dogs are a lot of work for sure. I think they are ideal pets for bigger families and one of the parents doesn't work or works part time. They thrive in big fenced in yards. I intentionally adopted an old and small dog, so he would be easier for me to take care of by myself. I'm sure eventually the vet bills will become difficult, but for now he is the perfect dog for me. That being said, I understand how this isn't for everyone.

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I was looking for this one! I have an 8.5 y/o racer who needs at most 30 minutes of walking 2x a day. Aside from that she naps until it’s time for after dinner pets or staring at us. Unfortunately, we’re currently in limbo with potential osteosarcoma, which is a concern with long-boned/giant breeds

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Dogs are a lot of work for sure. I think they are ideal pets for bigger families and one of the parents doesn't work or works part time. They thrive in big fenced in yards. I intentionally adopted an old and small dog, so he would be easier for me to take care of by myself. I'm sure eventually the vet bills will become difficult, but for now he is the perfect dog for me. That being said, I understand how this isn't for everyone.

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That’s why I only get lazy breeds. I’m happy with a dog that has maybe 4 hours of buzz each day to interact and play and prefers to spend the rest of their time lounging around.

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This is exactly why I got a Shih Tzu. Both my wife and I are disabled and it’s great that I can satisfy her with three 2/10’s of a mile walk every day. This current one is high energy too. Our last Shih Tzu lived just sitting around. He was great.

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I mean a lot of that depends on your living situation and dog breed/individual. I have a small toy breed dog that only needs one walk a day to satisfy her energy requirements, and a fenced in backyard so all I need to do is crack the door open for her when she needs to go to the bathroom. Then 2-3 times a week I go out with my chompy yard scooper thing to pick up poop. It’s really not much more work than a cat, which I’ve also owned in the past.

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Greyhounds are the best. Low shedding, super chill, don't bark, sleep most of the day. Just good buddies♥ 4source record 87
Yeah this is huge. I’m convinced 90% of people who want a dog would be happier with a cat, they’re just so much easier. If you really want a dog but are weary of the responsibility, there are still plenty of former racing greyhounds that need homes too. They retire at 3yrs and they’re bred to be easily kennel trained, get along with other animals, minimal behavior issues, and can get their daily exercise extremely quickly so they can get back to their first love, sleeping.♥ 3source record 88
That’s why I only get lazy breeds. I’m happy with a dog that has maybe 4 hours of buzz each day to interact and play and prefers to spend the rest of their time lounging around.♥ 235source record 156
I adopted a senior pug for just this reason. Potty trained? Lazy af? Sleeps and farts all day long? You betcha♥ 145source record 157
I fucking love pugs. Happy, cute, Useless little blobs of snoring fat. Can’t be bothered to go for a walk. More than happy to do jack shit all day, and then earn a treat for doing absolutely nothing other than existing. My kind of dog♥ 5source record 158
I have an American Bulldog that's just furniture at this point.♥ 47source record 160
I have a senior Shih Tzu (13 yrs old now!) but he’s honestly been chill and lazy since he was a baby. Minimal exercise needed - he tires fast and he’s happy to sleep and just cuddle up most of the day.♥ 19source record 162
I have a 13 year old shih tzu too! Cute as a button and lazy as hell. They are cats of the dog world in that sense. Just wants to be attached to my hip all the time.♥ 13source record 163
Most giant breeds are super lazy♥ 17source record 165
I had a friend who had Scottish deer hounds (looked like Irish wolf hounds). She was a pretty small lady so it made these enormous dogs look even bigger! They were extremely intimidating looking and she always felt completely safe, and she said that they were absolute couch potatoes!♥ 5source record 166
My sister’s Great Dane is literally an enormous couch potato and a total wuss♥ 6source record 167
I had a Weiner dog (dachshund) that was hella lazy. Once a day when he was younger he'd get the "insane eyes" that dogs get and wanna play fetch for 30min-hour straight. But mostly he liked baking in the sun, laying in our laps/anywhere, and hated walks. Absolutely hated walks. Also, the poos were on the small side and we trained him to do it in the side yard which was all rocks and they dried out really quick (AZ). He hated other dogs though, was alright with cats and people.♥ 6source record 168
I have a whippet. All of the fun of having a dog that wants to run and play fetch in the yard and go for a walk sometimes, but they also sleep for 22 hours a day, don't shed, rarely bark, and are very clean.♥ 10source record 169
Here to second whippets! My girl is so lazy and I love her. She's a great apartment dog and we get to take naps and be couch potatoes together.♥ 5source record 170
Greyhounds, lol. They're big couch potatoes. Exercise the shit out of them for a bit every day, and they're content to chill the rest of the time. Super affectionate dogs, too!♥ 3source record 171
Pugs. All pugs do is sleep, eat, bark a little bit, maybe get the zoomies for a few minutes, then go back to sleeping♥ 3source record 172
LOVE a lazy dog! I am sure I’ll get downvoted for mentioning the French Bulldog (and yes there are very poorly bred ones but that is true for many breeds). But my well bred, healthy 25 lb Frenchie is perfect for my lazy lifestyle. My husband and the other dogs have been up for hours he is still snoozing beside me. I WFH he snoozes beside/ on top of me all day. He gets fun walkies whenever he wants (my husband has to constantly exercise our Boxer) but mostly he chooses to stay with me. We do an hour of toys when he wants. He poops like once a day, sleeps, and cuddles. He is clingy af but that isn’t a problem for me, they were bred for companionship and they do that very well. We call it a soul contract.♥ 22source record 173
Greyhounds rarely bark, and they don't particularly smell, probably because they don't have oily coats.♥ 15source record 192
Aww, I love yorkie's, the one I had growing up was a lazy dog but she always wanted to be in my space to the point if I tried to move her she'd snap at me lol. Now I have a Maltese/Shih Tzu mix who is a literal lap dog, she wants for nothing other than to sit in your lap and get pets til she falls asleep. Sometimes she gets the zoomies but that lasts less than 15mins before she's tuckered out.♥ 6source record 204
I used to feel this way, but then I got two working livestock guardian dogs. Almost all of the mundane problems of pet ownership disappear, while most of the benefits remain. LGDs are independent, tough, and don't need exercise or walks or to be let outside since they're always outside. They only come inside during emergencies, such as tornado warnings, so the house doesn't need extra cleaning. I don't stress about them - in fact, they reduce my stress. Every time I see them out there, I know my chickens and goats are safer. And they love it. They're much happier than a pet stuck inside by itself while their owner is at work. They are still expensive, though.♥ 6source record 292
I have usually got dogs that are at least a year old. I don't really like the puppy stage and being already toilet trained is a huge advantage.♥ 5source record 423
I'm the same. I have a standard poodle that was the easiest dog to train, and still is. Not once has he been destructive. Best dog I've ever owned. He's so in tuned to our behavior too.♥ 2source record 697
Yep! I never thought in a million years I'd of owned a poodle... Now I can't imagine my life without him. Easiest dog ever. Just wants to please his parents.♥ 2source record 698
I have a poodle mix (rescued ) and I know what you mean! She was trained with ease. My original plan was to buy a Mini poodle from an ethical breeder but I ended up buying her for $100 from a guy that wasn't taking good care of her 🥲 Poodles are one of my favorite breeds, absolutely love when they come in to get groomed!♥ 3source record 699
Honestly I didn’t realize how easy I had it with my whippet until I had to take care of a friends dog. My whippet will sleep all day, go to toilet by her self through the flap door. Make no noise and occasionally beg for treats. Doesnt need grooming, never smells and has the softest fur . Friends dog needs to be taken out every few hours for pee, gets stinky real quick, starts whinging in the night, humps the bed, pisses on the floor, barks for no reason, needs grooming every few months. It’s like two wildly different experiences for the same animal. So I get OPs frustration.♥ 1source record 718
Why I love greyhounds, people think they need insane levels of exercise, but they just need a quick sprint here and there, they'll pick a soft spot and sleep for 20 hours a day so make great apartment dogs.♥ 2source record 880
All of this, I have owned bichon frise dogs exclusively since I was a child. I’m on my third one. I like how chill they are, they are super attached, they don’t shed, easy to pick up if they get tired walking, generally happy, takes teeny tiny poops. They are the perfect lap dog. I don’t really like most big dogs, they’re too rambunctious for me. Their poops are huge. I can watch them and I love them because all doggos are good doggos but I get tired of it after a few days. Bichons and the like are my preferred dog. My friends though? They would hate the grooming schedule and the cost, they hate that she doesn’t really play much and prefers napping/cuddling over activity. That she can’t walk super far. It really comes down to personality.♥ 2source record 896
Greyhounds lol♥ 15source record 1198
Whipets are the sweetest dogs♥ 7source record 1199
Legit. Our greyhound gets two 15 minute strolls per day, and the rest of the time he’s dozing on the sofa or bed, requesting bites of cheese and finding new ways to organise his lanky limbs. It was really important to us to get a dog whose exercise needs we could actually meet. And greyhounds are such sweethearts. He melts hearts constantly.♥ 2source record 1203
Cavalier King Charles spaniels are the ultimate lazy dog. I love mine.♥ 6source record 1206
My beagles only ever wanted to be in the room with you, or on the couch lying next to you. They didn’t demand active engagement and entertainment. That’s the kind of companionship I want.♥ 2source record 1208
I’m convinced that I will only ever have beagle mixes for the rest of my life lmao both my pups are part beagle and they’re literally so sweet and lazy.♥ 2source record 1209
I was looking for this one! I have an 8.5 y/o racer who needs at most 30 minutes of walking 2x a day. Aside from that she naps until it’s time for after dinner pets or staring at us. Unfortunately, we’re currently in limbo with potential osteosarcoma, which is a concern with long-boned/giant breeds♥ 3source record 1215
Boston Terrier. Once you get past the puppy stage you have a wonderful potato.♥ 9source record 1222
My Bostons are the same. They are down for whatever and always up for a run/walk/hike/ride/creek, but they don’t absolutely need to be moving. Perfectly happy to be a potato or a running mate.♥ 5source record 1225
Beagle mixes are honestly pretty great. I’ve never had a full on beagle cause I’ve heard they tend to just scream lol but I’ve got two mixes and they’re the sweetest laziest dogs♥ 2source record 1230
Same. Currently sitting on the couch with my two frenchies. They are 5 months and 18 months and so chill. Life is good over here♥ 2source record 1233
Guard breeds are so fucking easy. They're borderline inanimate objects, lmfao. My Akita mix is the laziest fucking dog I've ever met, and also an absolutely phenomenal guard dog. And guard breeds aren't prone to barking. They aren't alert dogs, so usually when they bark, it's because the police are trying to shoot someone in your damn driveway or something suss as fuck is going on.♥ 1source record 1270
I’ve got a boxer mix. Dude just hangs around on the couch for hours. Gets excited and wants a walk and the right back to the couch♥ 1source record 1272
English bulldog after the age of 2-3 total couch potatoes that have short spurts of spaz energy and then back to sleep lol we’ve had several. But they are work in other ways. I spend about 30mins a day do doggy spa stuff like cleaning wrinkles, ears, tail pocket, paws, nose butter, wrinkle paste. But it’s worth it. Also lazy are pugs♥ 1source record 1273
pitties are large velvet potato seals that occasionally get the zoomies when u make them but mostly they want to cuddle and nap.♥ 1source record 1274
Shih-Tzus. Mine sleep for like 16 hours a day, refuse to walk in the rain/heat/slush, are fine with a couple of 15 minute walks a day when it’s nice out - but they can also handle a hike. They’re snuggly, and contrary to popular belief they can be trained, ours do tricks and can listen really well. Ours don’t bark. I adore them. Easiest dogs ever. Oh and they take tiny tiny poops.♥ 1source record 1275
Greyhounds. Just sleep all day.♥ 1source record 1276
A lot of older dogs are! I have a senior chihuahua mix and he sleeps like 60% of the time. He does like attention and can be needy when he’s up and about, but he’s content to chill in his bed most of the time.♥ 1source record 1277
My Leonberger is pretty lazy. Training is a lot of work and we do get about 10-12,000 steps a day in walks. But he does not need to run around the yard or play fetch or tug or anything like that. He's perfectly happy with a morning sniff walk, a midday walk, a long walk after dinner and a potty walk before bed. Mostly sleeps or chews on a marrow bone or yak chew when he's not on walkies! Enjoys a few puzzles, his squeaky egg toy, and a lick mat, but he's very undemanding. Loves winter & snow.♥ 1source record 1279
I have now a 11 6year old cavalier pomeranian mix. her cavi side is strong though and she’s a real snoozer. From about 4/5yo all she really loved was chilling and playing at home. she sleeps 16 hrs a day from like 8/9. and even as a pup it was pretty low energy. poms can be highly strung tho so we got kinda lucky with her temperament♥ 1source record 1280
greyhounds♥ 1source record 1281
Greyhounds and whippets are very lazy. You’d think they’d be full of energy with the speeds they can run, but all they need is a couple of short bursts of activity a day and then they’ll sleep the rest of the time. You just need to have access to a flat open space where they can have a little sprint.♥ 1source record 1282
I know it sounds like a hyper dog, but greyhounds are mostly really lazy. They sleep all the time. They just need a daft half hour every day, but other than that, it’s difficult to get them out of bed. There are ofc individual exceptions, like in all dog breeds, but they’re mostly lazy.♥ 1source record 1283
I have a hound mix that I adopted for his sweet temperament. He’s the perfect mix of willing to hike a mountain or spoon you in bed all day while your sick- your pick. He really just cares about the love part.♥ 1source record 1285
English and French bulldogs♥ 1source record 1286
Pekingese! Mine was lazy and apparently they are mostly notoriously lazy.♥ 1source record 1287
Pugs are the best once they settle down. So sweet.♥ 1source record 1288
Pugs and bulldogs♥ 1source record 1290
czech vlcaks they don't bark (they do have other vocalizations) and are described as "dogs with the personalities of cats"♥ 2source record 1350
If you get a low-energy dog, you don’t need to walk them THAT much. And you can leave them in the kennel when you travel. The vet clinic I work at does boarding, so I board my dog at work when my husband and I go somewhere. My dog loves it because my work is all women and he loves women.♥ 2source record 1511
Pugs♥ 3source record 1711
I had a 100lb Akita mix in an apartment. Single laziest breed ever, he is a phenomenal apartment dog. Some breeds are incredibly well suited for sedintaty lifestyles. Guard breeds are at the top of the list. They just lay around and look at shit all day. Slow metabolism too, so they don't each much (and don't shit much) despite being huge.♥ 1source record 1714
Honestly one of the best reasons for adopting. A dog with an existing personality and history (And maybe some training) is much more of a 'known quantity'.♥ 3source record 1877
I was looking for a rescue dog, but then the one shelter got a litter of super mutt puppies in from Mexico, so I picked one. Im glad I did as he grew up into an awesome dog, but in the future I don’t think I’ll rescue another puppy. It’s so much more work than an adult dog.♥ 2source record 1878
All totally valid criticisms of dog ownership. My two cents would be, not all dogs are the same. I mean that in so many ways. We have Yorkies, both about 4 pounds each. It’s just not the same experience as a dog owner with a husky for example. Dogs are generalized so much but they are so different. I would never do a dog bigger than 10 pounds, they take so much more effort. Our Yorkies sleep in our laps as me and my wife work from home. They aren’t even needy about it. If we don’t want them there, they go chill on a pillow until needed. Because of their small size, they travel with us. Our first has his backpack that I wear that he rides in, so he can look over my shoulder as we go. The poop situation isn’t really an issue since we don’t use our grass. We have a large paved patio, that’s for the humans, the grass is a toilet, I only step out there to mow it and I’m fine with that. I think most importantly, I agree there are cons, but the pros of their companionship far out weigh them.♥ 2source record 2004
I like small dogs. I have a yorkie, 8 lbs. I got her as a puppy so was able to socialize her and shes well behaved, even if she makes a mess its very small, its easy to get her well exercised, she's travel sized, and she doesnt shed. If a big dog is around, i just scoop her up and shes safe. The poop issue might be a food problem BTW The main downside for me is the time commitment and the fact that most places dont allow dogs, so I can't take her with me to a lot of places I dont like big dogs personally and they really amplify the downsides. People say small dogs are yappy but I hear big dogs yap as much or more than little ones and really it is a training issue, not a dog size issue.♥ 2source record 2033
Maybe do your research before getting a dog ? It’s like having a kid. Don’t do it if you’re not prepared to take care of them. Or adopt lazy breeds. I have a greyhound and she sleeps all day, she’s clean/doesn’t smell, no slobber, no needing to play, no demands. Honestly the best dog breed if you’re in Australia and wanting a low maintenance pet!♥ 2source record 2252
And everyone shits on chihuahuas hahaha the dog that sleeps 20 hours a day LITERALLY. I have to beg them to play.♥ 1source record 2357
Smaller breeds are the best honestly, Beagles, Corgies, Shiba Inus, etc.♥ 1source record 2452
Depends on the dog. My girl is a breeze. She's independent and sleeps most of the day, small non-smelly poops that are easy to pick up because of her raw food diet, calm, quiet, low energy needs. Almost like different breeds were bred for different traits and you should do research to find the right one for you before getting a dog.♥ 2source record 2473
There is a breed of dog that will sleep 16 hours a day and get fed up of stimulation in about half an hour. The downside is it has the durability of Papier-mâché but you can't have everything♥ 1source record 2520
This is why you get a lazy old mutt who can digest anti-freeze from the shelter and not an inbred puppy who has a seizure upon seeing a grape from a breeder♥ 2source record 2566
You should have gotten a small dog♥ 1source record 2608
This is why greyhounds are the best dogs to have. That or a cat.♥ 1source record 2691
This is why little dogs are the best! You still have to be on top of training (no excessive barking, no cat chasing, poops outside only, etc.), but then everything associated is also small - small amount of food, small poops, fits in bed/car/couch easily, can be picked up if needed, easier to bathe, etc.♥ 1source record 2784
Breed is important as well! I personally prefer lazy breeds, where one decent walk a day is enough to pretty much put them on the couch for the rest of day. As opposed to certain breeds which will still need 30-60 minutes of mental stimulation, and another 30-60 minutes of physical stimulation after♥ 1source record 2841
I have a very small dog (under 8 lbs) and it's honestly pretty chill. She doesn't bark, she's super nice and just wants to hang out all the time. Do you have to clean up poop? Yeah, but that's whatever. I love my little girl and I take her everywhere.♥ 1source record 2860
“Big dog, big poops.” That’s why I own small dogs, much easier to take care of. Easier to bond with. Much less imposing. A piece of me will die when my favorite dog dies someday, she truly means the world to me, she makes me smile to myself almost everyday.♥ 2source record 2897
i think smaller are more managable♥ 1source record 2943
A dog is a commitment. Yes they have their challenges, but it's on you to take them on. It sounds like you may have bit off more than you can chew. An older dog from a shelter would have probably been more your speed.♥ 1source record 3121
The breed matters as well as the temperament and intelligence of the dog. Owning retired sled dogs has been amazing for me. They’re already mellowed out and trained to listen.♥ 1source record 3132
This is all relatable. A different diet may make the shit easy to pick up. Some breeds are not needy. My Great Pyrenees is less needy than a cat, and that is huge for me, that's why I love the breed. I don't wanna play fetch, neither does she. We just like cuddling and looking deep into each other's eyes sometimes. She's into that, I'm into that, it's a good balance.♥ 1source record 3184
Dogs are a lot of work for sure. I think they are ideal pets for bigger families and one of the parents doesn't work or works part time. They thrive in big fenced in yards. I intentionally adopted an old and small dog, so he would be easier for me to take care of by myself. I'm sure eventually the vet bills will become difficult, but for now he is the perfect dog for me. That being said, I understand how this isn't for everyone.♥ 1source record 3275
Buddy you gotta get a yorkie or something those turds are like cheetos♥ 1source record 3337
That’s why I got a small low maintenance dog and I trained her and made sure she had a schedule. She’s a breeze to deal with. Animals just need consistency and routine and love.♥ 1source record 3374
Everything you said here is absolutely true. A dog is a lot of work if it’s not neglected though I view it as just one more part of life I have to deal with. The happiness our dogs have brought my daughters is well worth it. I would suggest maybe a small dog next time. They are way easier. We have a 9 year old German Shepherd/Rottweiler and a 6 year old Corgi/Chihuaha.♥ 1source record 3429
Here's a little trick. Do a search of local animal shelters by dog size. You'll see dozens of big dogs, a few medium sized dogs, and almost no little dogs. As soon as a little dog comes up for adoption it's almost instantly gone. We got our Norwich within an hour of it being posted and therewere calls coming in for him the whole time we were there at the shelter. Just get a small dog and save the headache.♥ 1source record 3552
Wrong dog for your needs, she's too big. Small to medium size dogs poop largely when you walk them, are picky eaters, and while clingy, are small enough for it to not be so annoying.♥ 1source record 3664
This is why I like having a small (albeit trained and well behaved) dog tbh. They are the easiest dogs to take care of and often lack the irritations larger dogs come with- getting in the way, giant gross poops, slobber, eating habits, overpowering, pulling, filth and smell, hours of exercise as a minimum. She's clingy but she's so small its pleasant to have her around and she doesn't require much from me other than having me around. She's less expensive to feed too. I still take her out though because I adore her. It's like having a cat almost.♥ 1source record 3682
Ahhh you see, the secret is small dog = small poop 💩 People love big dogs but small dogs are where it’s at 🤭 (very biased opinion though)♥ 1source record 3799
I got a cavoodle & instead of having a daily walking requirement, she has a daily physical contact requirement. Skip a walk? That’s fine, she’s happy to snooze on the couch all day. Need to crate her for a day coz of an emergency? Better prepare for a second skin when she’s released 😂♥ 1source record 3817
I have owned both big and small dogs and currently have two little yorkies. They are great and i love them to death but they are also super annoying sometimes, gotta be constantly groomed which they hate and make difficult, eating is always a struggle and all that. Thats just life, sometimes you will have the energy and it wont be an issue and sometimes it will cost you f’s you do not have to give and feel bad. The dog will never turn and abandon you tho, so dont do it them♥ 1source record 3988
It's really the kind of dog you get. Some are needy and full of energy that needs to be burned off. Some are chill. Our family dog was a 150lb Mastiff. Very laid back, liked to nap a lot and just lay around. Was big enough that no other dogs really tried to fuck with him. Our family always felt safe with him around.♥ 1source record 4032
We are on our second rat terrier since the year 2000. (There was a 4-year break between them. Current one is 8 and still chases her tail). For a dog, they're relatively low maintenance and live longer. Turds are the size of a small handful tootsie rolls. They snuggle with you on the couch and there's still room left over. They get the zoomies and need a nice-sized yard for sure. Their acrobatic nature is extremely entertaining to me. You'd better love playing tug-of-war with the cutest growls you've ever heard, and she gives my 53-year-old arm a run for its money during these. She has button ears instead of the bat satellite ears you often see with RT's which is EXTREMELY cute, and we insist on having a full uncut tail when we get our small dogs. We bought her as a puppy for $100 from an Amishman right out of his barn. I think there's a little min-pin in the DNA. The Amish love them for their barn vermin-killing expertise. Indeed, our ground squirrel problem was quickly a non-problem.♥ 1source record 4045
Male pure bred Bichon is the way for homely wife and kids.♥ 1source record 4199
It depends on the breed. I have a Tibetan Spaniel and he is super low maintenance. Barky if he hears something weird but it's like, an alert bark not a nagging bark. I stay home all the time so he's always with me, I agree it's a hassle if you have to go out of town. There are dog kennels for that. Bigger dogs can be annoying yeah but this little guy is pretty small. I don't really his poop in the backyard, with its size it should just disintegrate instead of being a mess.♥ 1source record 4333
Sounds like everyone on this thread needs a Bernese Mountain Dog 🖤♥ 1source record 4421
I love dogs and had them in my life more than not. But I know what breeds and personalities work for my lifestyle and energy. My Minpin is 18+ now, he's trained and my best friend. But after him I will take a break again before another dog. And like I found him I will have an older dog. Dogs aren't for everyone to own no matter how much you love them. It can suck, be frustrating, expensive. It can be a beautiful relationship full of memories. But it is a relationship with the good and the bad. I don't think it's an unpopular opinion just a reality everyone needs to consider. It's so much more than I think I will get a puppy.♥ 1source record 4619
This is exactly why I got a Shih Tzu. Both my wife and I are disabled and it’s great that I can satisfy her with three 2/10’s of a mile walk every day. This current one is high energy too. Our last Shih Tzu lived just sitting around. He was great.♥ 1source record 4952
After two years of madness most Labradors settle down to lazy middle age. Still lots of energy for walking and play, but when things quieten down, off to sleep!♥ 1source record 4975
Most of the bull and mastiff breeds are fairly chill. Personally I think English Bull Terriers are the best breed, but they are stubborn, so not the best for everyone perhaps. They're pretty lazy, but like cats they have zoomies a couple of times a day, and you just have to live with that. They're built like tanks and their zoomies can be a little destructive. Not the best dogs to have cabinets of ornaments around because at one time or another they'll undoubtedly come flying into the room and use that cabinet to reduce their speed. They're natural clowns though, and they form very solid bonds with family members. A very loyal and loving breed though, and the personality traits and peculiarities run through all the bloodlines. There are no entirely sane EBTs, but it's impossible to be sad with one around.♥ 1source record 4977
Greyhounds! 45 mph couch potatoes. They have their quirks, and can be cat-like, but many love to sleep all day.♥ 1source record 4978
I have a 8 months Shih Tzu can’t agree more. Lazy and cute little goof ball. Love her♥ 1source record 4985
Labs are not lazy but we got ours from a breeder looking to make a family dog vs a hunting dog so they made a lazy lab. He's down for any activity but he gets tired quickly which is fine by me.♥ 1source record 5025
Yeah my parents always had beagle mixes and they were the cuddliest most chill dogs.♥ 1source record 5037
I have two frenchies! Take my experience with a grain of salt because I am one of many many experiences. They can be really chill but they’re more like little toddlers and need a lot of undivided attention. They don’t need much exercise and happy with throwing the ball around inside and then a 30 minute walk at night. They were really hard to potty train but puppy pads have been a life saver for me. It’s like a 5 year old still wearing pull-ups but they’re not peeing all over the house! They are both waaaaaay clingy and want to cuddle all day so, if that’s up your alley, that’s a good breed for it. Health-wise, they’re prone to having a lot of issues but thankfully I haven’t had any health issues with them besides the odd ear infection. Delaying their spay for a few years has helped a lot with that in my opinion. If you live anywhere hot or in the south, I wouldn’t recommend. They don’t do well with the heat at all, but mine do just fine in cold weather as long as they’re covered. Pros: insanely cute, funny and easy to groom Cons: Actual terrorists♥ 1source record 5050
Oh wow I have only had boy Frenchies, the first guy was average to housebreak but my current guy only took 3 weeks (we had an older dog to show him the ropes). The undivided attention is real though, he wants us to just look lovingly into each other’s eyes while he lays on my belly and I pet him.♥ 1source record 5053
Yeah he was a great, almost 0 maintenance dog. Just wanted to chill and laze around all day. He would sleep with you in your bed if you wanted or on the couch, greatest snuggle buddy ever. Miss that little guy.♥ 1source record 5056
Don't know why you mentioned them being marathon running, whippets are never going to run a marathon. They're built for short bursts of speed and no stamina. Puppies will have normal puppy energy but that's true for all breeds. They mellow out 99 times out of 100 after a year or two when they become full adults, your cousin probably just got unlucky, but proper training and good exercise goes most of the way. My whippet pup is curled up on the beanbag next to me, she had a good run in the park yesterday for an hour and she won't wake up today except to wander around and stretch. Love the breed♥ 1source record 5061
I mean a lot of that depends on your living situation and dog breed/individual. I have a small toy breed dog that only needs one walk a day to satisfy her energy requirements, and a fenced in backyard so all I need to do is crack the door open for her when she needs to go to the bathroom. Then 2-3 times a week I go out with my chompy yard scooper thing to pick up poop. It’s really not much more work than a cat, which I’ve also owned in the past.♥ 0source record 5129
Should have bought a lap dog . Like a pug. Those guys are hilarious. So much fun!♥ 0source record 5377
Sounds like owning THAT dog fucking sucks. Get any mix of pug and you get an easy going dog that you can walk a few times a day and cleanup after then when you know they're doing business and can be safely left alone in the house while at work without fear of anything getting damaged or pottied on. I wouldn't ever want a bigger dog because they require so much more training to ensure they'resafe around other and would need much longer and more frequent walks if I'm taking good care of them. Also certain breeds just need/want more attention. TLDR; different breeds act differently, you really want to spend a little time researching before just blind purchasing a dog as the requirements and results will vary.♥ 0source record 5432

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Situation: Choosing a dog by what it was bred to do rather than by how it looks

Why readers chose it: 173 records, the most repeated advice in the corpus, and it is argued at breed level rather than in the abstract. The claim is that people choose by appearance, or by a film, an influencer or a status association, and then meet the job the dog was built for. Huskies, malinois, border collies, corgis, Australian shepherds and hounds are named over and over — usually by their own owners. A dog trainer, a vet, a groomer, a shelter volunteer and the adult child of two veterinarians all appear here saying the same thing. The clearest positive case is the commenter who worked through breed, budget and schedule before adopting a three-legged Staffordshire mix and reports seven straightforward years.

What readers reported: People need to also pay attention to the behavior of different breeds, rather than just the appearance. I've seen too many people adopt a dog they liked the look of, only to later realize that they have behaviors that don't match their own.

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This is the thing, it seems most people get a dog, without planning, without considering breed type, without considering its a living being with needs. I understand where most of the comments here come from and they are just venting , but dang was it sort of deppressing. Your comment was the only that wasnt "cant wait till my dog dies, never again" thank you.

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I researched and got an Italian greyhound because I needed a quiet apartment dog. He was great when I lived in a city apartment, but I hate him now that I live in a house in the countryside (got married and moved to husband's house). He barks all the time, tries to chase scooters and cars (we have a wall around our property, but he still tries), steals trash (he can open the trash cans), and pees everywhere (got bad during my pregnancy, and never got better). He's the dog that has made me - a lifelong dog lover - decide that I never again want to have another dog.

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This Exactly. Had a Maltipoo for ten years and she was my soul dog. Now I have a Blue Nose Pitbull girl who is very sweet, but their Behaviors are ASTRONOMICALLY different. Consider Before You Buy/Adopt. I'll be real, the pitbull is a brat and causes trouble for attention. My other dog would just beg for the attention without causing trouble. Both are annoying, but one is damaging/costing you extra money. (Ex. Pitbull ruined the hardwood floor by peeing on it at night even though she gets taken out before bed. Won't be in her cage anymore without trying to escape and injuring herself so I just stopped putting her in it at night, hence her peeing all over the floor whenever she wants. It used to be her safe space but once she got a bit older her attitude totally changed. Rips the couch trying to get comfy so she is only allowed on the love seat now, which I fear will also get ripped.) Those are just a few My Maltipoo acted the same her entire life, and I loved it. Her personality lastest until the last three days of her life, only because she was so weak. I have seen the Pitbull's change throughout her life and she just became more and more bratty. Maybe someone can enlighten me on what I'm doing wrong this time around to have this happen so often with her bratty behavior and the accidents in the house. She goes outside to go potty, then just does it in the house "for attention" then will come running to me as if to say "look what I just did" My Maltipoo was so obedient in the potty department so I'm wondering what I've done wrong.

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I actually plan on getting one next year! They are little dogs with big dog energy! They *can* be quite loud (some of the ones that come in never make a peep) Fair warning though, they do have a high prey drive and they love to dig! They can also be a little stubborn to train. I'd suggest reading all you can on the breed, watch videos and see if that is something you can handle, be honest with yourself so you can make the best decision! If you do decide to get one please look into finding an ethical breeder as Doxie's are prone to IVDD. Or if you'd prefer to adopt look into doxie shelters. Wish you the best of luck in finding a furry friend to fit your lifestyle ❤️

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I love dogs, I'm a dog groomer, but I own two cats. Have no plans of getting a dog in the near future and there is a TON of breeds and mixes I would never get. People really need to look into the personality traits of the dog they're looking into over looks. Terriers are not for me, aside from possibly a boston terrier. Herding breeds are out, any kind of hunting dog aside from a water retriever is out, I'd consider a great pyrenees depending on the amount of space I have available. Huskies, German Shepherds, and Malinois are no gos. Basically I'd be down for a big stupid lab, big stupid poodle, possibly one of the scenthounds or a greyhound, or an akita. I like pomeranians too, but my partner wants a larger dog.

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People need to also pay attention to the behavior of different breeds, rather than just the appearance. I've seen too many people adopt a dog they liked the look of, only to later realize that they have behaviors that don't match their own.

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I was surprised that so many people don't know that Corgis are working dogs; herders, no less. They were literally meant to run across fields all day, corralling *cattle*. They have incredible endurance and energy that needs to be let out. We have a Corgi/Aussie, and we never had behavioral issues like barking or destructiveness because he has a day job keeping a herd of horses in check. Whenever he's home, he's too busy sleeping like a baby.

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Hounds aren’t an easy breed, try like.. a fish next time.

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People need to also pay attention to the behavior of different breeds, rather than just the appearance. I've seen too many people adopt a dog they liked the look of, only to later realize that they have behaviors that don't match their own.♥ 1,359source record 33
Corgis, Border Collies, and Australian Shepherds, some of the most high energy dogs you will ever find. Thery were all bred for herding cattle. Peoepl definitiely need to understand this before owning one.♥ 30source record 51
This exactly, I put in a lot of research to know what i needed to do for my corgi well before I got one and reading comments like this honestly scared me but i have very few negative things to ever say about him. At 2 years old we are still training a few times a week, exercise everyday and play mental games. You have to know what you're getting yourself into or it can be bad and you can't let the cuteness fool you.♥ 10source record 57
Yeah, definitely sounds like that corgi's been running the household for years. Edit: I know I am not stern enough for dogs that don't actively want to please, so I stick to pet-line retrievers and dogs known to have biddable personalities.♥ 5source record 60
Oh for sure! There are so many breeds I love but I know my limitations. Wish more people thought like this instead of thinking "dog cute, me want" then end up getting a dog they are not even remotely prepared to own.♥ 4source record 61
Everyone I know seems to get a collie too and I'm like "nooooooo" every time. 9-5 working people need to stay away from hardcore working breeds.♥ 5source record 65
Our son and daughter in law are just now figuring out the difference between Labs. Apparently, there is a big difference in energy level lol. I’m allergic, I can’t have a dog but wish everyone well because they are wonderful.♥ 88source record 73
One thing you can do if you want a shelter dog is really pay attention to how that dog acts when you go to see them. My shelter chin-pin mix came up to the cage, licked my hand, and was demur and sweet. When we took her to the get acquainted room she ignored the dogs lunging and barking at her. The people there described her as sweet. In the get acquainted room she snuggled in my wife’s lap and came over to me when called. Well guess who’s a sweet angel and has been for the 12 years we’ve owned her? We didn’t have a specific breed in kind but a dog that’s sweet at the shelter has a good chance of being sweet at home. Best dog I’ve ever had.♥ 4source record 82
YOURSELF. DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF. I trusted my mother because she has years of experience with dogs, she had me buy from her friend after saying she'd done tonnes of research then revealed a year in she never actually bothered looking into behavior stuff until then. She laughed at the fact he is the polar opposite of what I needed/wanted in a dog at that moment. I do love him, he's my special guy but I nearly stuck my boot in her face when she started laughing about it. Total dick move, I'll never trust her about anything again.♥ 21source record 84
My husband wants a husky. He has only ever had a guinea pig and now my cats. I said no, very firmly. He thinks I'm mean and overreacting.♥ 5source record 85
This x 1000. I’m a vet and so many people bring misery upon themselves by not getting the right dog breed for then. There’s only a very few breeds I would consider owning myself because I want very particular things when it comes to a dog.♥ 5source record 91
There are so many breeds great for apartment living and she got a Doberman 💀 crazy work.♥ 76source record 340
I never had a dog until my 40’s. My partner had a dog that lived a very long, very happy life. We researched breeds and their temperaments and took a good long look at our budget, our schedules, and expectations. We adopted a rescue dog—a small Staffordshire mix missing a limb. In the seven years we’ve had him, he’s been easy to train, affectionate, well-behaved, and happy. We pick up after him, take him to the vet when needed, and make him feel at ease around people and when home alone. He doesn’t eat anything that he isn’t handed directly or poured into his bowl (he occasionally will try to nibble on grass). Planning and patience go a long way with pet ownership.♥ 47source record 363
This is the thing, it seems most people get a dog, without planning, without considering breed type, without considering its a living being with needs. I understand where most of the comments here come from and they are just venting , but dang was it sort of deppressing. Your comment was the only that wasnt "cant wait till my dog dies, never again" thank you.♥ 20source record 364
Too many people adopt a dog because it’s cute or a status symbol or looks bad ass or is the same breed as a popular tv/book/comic/movie character. It’s just not a decision based on reality, it’s based on some fantasy. I became a decent dog owner when I understood that most of the pain in the ass behavior was just anxiety. Most dogs aren’t being “bad” for no reason; pet ownership becomes more manageable when you take into account that this is a living creature that depends on you, not a fashion or lifestyle accessory. You have to be disciplined and train yourself to read your dog’s cues and be consistent. Sadly, a lot of people can’t even do this with other people and aren’t willing to put in the effort for a dog.♥ 17source record 365
Some of it seems to be the breed of dog too. I used to have my friend's poodle from time-to-time. Oh boy! Was he clingy. I loved him to bits but you could see his heartbreak if you worked or didn't play with him when he was expecting it. When we got our own dog, I explicitly said I wanted a dog who was independent and intelligent. Also, two dogs! The intelligence helps with training. You can train off a lot of things when horrible things eventually happen like another dog attacks, or they poop in the wrong place or get friendly with the wrong people. A smart dog can be trained into other habits but some less intelligent breeds stay reactive.♥ 4source record 439
I actually plan on getting one next year! They are little dogs with big dog energy! They *can* be quite loud (some of the ones that come in never make a peep) Fair warning though, they do have a high prey drive and they love to dig! They can also be a little stubborn to train. I'd suggest reading all you can on the breed, watch videos and see if that is something you can handle, be honest with yourself so you can make the best decision! If you do decide to get one please look into finding an ethical breeder as Doxie's are prone to IVDD. Or if you'd prefer to adopt look into doxie shelters. Wish you the best of luck in finding a furry friend to fit your lifestyle ❤️♥ 2source record 669
coming in late to say, Dachshunds have the softest ears and are incredibly sweet. However, they are not the easiest dog: \- many of them pee in the house. I don't know if they can be trained out of it; I've just read complaints about it. \- they are incredibly fucking stubborn. Dachshunds are stubborn because they were bred to fight badgers in the badgers' underground dens. I mean, if you're a dachsund, your job is busting into the house of something bigger than you, that has teeth like a dinosaur, and that has a name that means "relentless" ("He badgered me nonstop"). And you're busting in through a little tunnel, which means it will be hard to turn around to escape. Any dachshund that wasn't stubborn, died. So you aren't going to go easily against hundreds of years of breeding. I'm not saying "Don't get a Dachshund" -- I'm saying to read up on breed characteristics so you know which would drive you out of your mind and which you'd like. For example, I would be terrible at taking care of a Belgian Malinois. They are freaking smart and amazingly brave, but they require constant stimulation and daily high-speed runs of miles and miles. I am disabled, so no. Whereas, I would be awesome at taking care of a rescued Greyhound. Surprisingly, they are couch potatoes. Plus, if they are rescued, they've come from racing tracks and don't know the basics of being a dog like what it's like to be loved, or how to walk on slick floors. I have almost infinite patience with teaching the basics.♥ 2source record 670
Thank you for your comprehensive response. I have read about their characteristics, and will definitely think hard before making the decision down the line. Part of the reason I am thinking of building just a bungalow is because of them. A colleague has a delightful mini schnauzer. I am very fond of her (fond of them both), and it looks like a bit easier breed, but after reading about their characteristics amd considering it, I just have an almost irrational response of smiling when I see one. I know that is not a good enough reason to have one. But being an overthinker and researching ad infinitum, I am wondering whether I would regret not going for the breed I have wanted for years and "settling" for something else. Like you, I also know that I wouldn't be a good match for many breeds I like, such as Jack Russel Terrier, because I wouldn't be able to consistently match their high energy. I will definitely read more about the issue with peeing at home.♥ 2source record 671
Work dogs. Never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, get a work dog unless you have real farm work for them. Nothing pissed me off more than urban people getting working dogs. Those dogs miss a massive step in their early years to train, and it is almost impossible to retrain them. It's abuse honestly♥ 2source record 680
“Lemme adopt this cute ahhh instagrammable dog here” without researching that this dog was bred to run five thousand circles around sheep all day every day.♥ 2source record 681
It really depends on what kind of lifestyle you have, and what care you’re prepared to give. Do you want/can you handle a large dog, or would you enjoy a small companion? How much grooming are you willing to do, and training/enrichment? Can you handle barking? A well bred show line Labrador is a pretty safe option, but even they can be energetic and need engagement. Greyhounds are a great option, if you can handle a large dog, as they tend to like to have one full on sprint/zoomie session and relax the rest of the day.♥ 4source record 741
Very well said! I've been up to my elbows in dog hair so I haven't had a moment to respond. I don't like recommending breeds in general because every person's lifestyle is different but these are two low grooming maintenance breeds that do very well with first timers♥ 3source record 742
Dont forget all the morons who buy Maligators and then act shocked when it destroys their condo after 16 hours alone......♥ 1source record 746
Ugh the Mali trend going on lately is so irritating! Those dogs are mouthier cracked out versions of GSDs and most people can't even handle a GSD. They can be such good dogs in the right hands but absolute nightmares when they don't have their needs met.♥ 2source record 747
This is very specific, so take it what you will. I know people like to shit on getting dogs from breeders and only want to get shelter dogs (I'm not saying this is you). It's sounds like you did a lot of work with yours and it worked out well. But if you get a puppy you AND can actually train them, and give them what they need from the get go, things go much better. I was nervous about getting a corg puppy, because I lived in a small apartment and read a bunch up on it with the destructive energy and barking, etc. so I was very hesitant, but then I saw a puppy I fell in love with her when I saw her. Corgis that are trained from an early age will super listen! They're hearding dogs, you can train them to move around by whistles. Super super smart. First thing I did was train her not to bark/bite. Ein never barked, and I could say her name and double snap my fingers and she'd heel behind me. Last thing, you don't need to worry about getting another corgi, you've got like at least 60 in shedding, so you're golden for like the rest of your life. \*you're 100% right on the poo♥ 2source record 771
I was surprised that so many people don't know that Corgis are working dogs; herders, no less. They were literally meant to run across fields all day, corralling *cattle*. They have incredible endurance and energy that needs to be let out. We have a Corgi/Aussie, and we never had behavioral issues like barking or destructiveness because he has a day job keeping a herd of horses in check. Whenever he's home, he's too busy sleeping like a baby.♥ 2source record 773
People forget that corgis are a herding breed too and then get shitty when their herding breed dog attempts to herd them (or their kids).♥ 1source record 781
Not color, use. Show dogs are lazy. Working lines are very energetic. Its almost 2 different breeds at this point. A working lab will never be competitive in conformation, and a show winner will never be a great gun dog.♥ 1source record 784
My brother's Corgi is so cute, and I love him. I would never want a Corgi for myself it just wouldn't work for me. I'm well suited for my Papillon and vice versa, and I did a lot of research to figure that out. I did what you did as a teenager with a JRT. I loved him and he was a great, but it's not an ideal match and I wouldn't get another one (in spite of them being very endearing to me even still.) He taught me the importance of thorough research before getting a pet.♥ 1source record 788
The best example of this is huskies though. There a reason so many huskies are in shelters. They have to be taken care of more then a small child sometimes. An they have an attitude on top of that. I would not suggest anyone get a husky unless they live a very active at home lifestyle. An you wanna talk about barking/howling... u cant shut a husky up.♥ 1source record 790
They're herding dogs. If you don't want a herding dog, don't get a corgi. Active minds and ALL the borking.♥ 1source record 800
Another breed that people get because its cute is Shiba inu's. Yes they are adorable but are also one of the most stubborn and hard to train breeds out there. They are incredibly intelligent but won't listen to you unless you put in hours of effort.♥ 1source record 805
People see that corgis are short and assume that means they were bred to be cute lapdogs and are therefore chill. They don't know/realize that actually they're a herding breed with all the associated energy and intelligence necessary for that. Corgis were bred to be short so the cattle would miss them when they kicked.♥ 1source record 823
I had to desperately talk an apartment dweller out of a corgi because I KNOW her schedule and she would not be walking that dog regularly. She went with a yorkie that barks constantly. Dog doesnt get walked regularly, poops indoors most of the time, and was quickly shuffled off to doggy daycare because she's "too hard to handle" despite her being home. I grew up with a farm corgi, I cant imagine her in an apartment. Even having acres to roam didnt seem to be enough for her sometimes. Anyway all that to say I agree with you. I couldnt believe she had yes men gassing her up that it was a good idea.♥ 1source record 829
Malinois are another great example. People see them in movies or out working with the military/ cops. They don’t realize that this is a working breed and needs a job. For them to be as disciplined and as amazing as they are it requires work. Most people can’t handle the work that is required for this breed. We love ours she’s a rescue after being tossed from a vehicle. Shes Mal/Dutchie/GSD and i swore I was done with dogs but the idea of leaving her to be rescued by some novice owner was not an option for me. So the clock starts all over again. My last dog was a mini poodle who I had for 19 years, but he was likely 21yrs old according to my vet. I lost him 3 months before I rescued our girl. My sister said your last dog sends you your next dog. I cannot understand why my old man muggle would send me a maligator but I’m thankful he did. Shes been the bestest girl.♥ 1source record 830
I have a purebred Pembroke Welsh Corgi. Many times, the people who get these dogs don’t do research and therefore wonder why the dog has behavioral problems. I did extensive research before getting my girl, and she’s the most well behaved dog I’ve had, I get compliments on her behavior all the time - because I fulfill her breed specific needs. People don’t understand this breed needs extensive (and I mean EXTENSIVE) exercise, mental stimulation, consistent training and discipline, breed specific play outlets (flirt pole, herding ball, etc.) and a job to do. If you don’t do these things, you’re going to end up with a stumpy nightmare. No such thing as a bad dog, just a bad owner. I really hate seeing corgi’s, along with Belgian Malinois, Cane Corso’s, amongst others, getting popular like they have been.♥ 1source record 835
Yeah, last time I got one I asked about breeds. I think I thought about a Husky and people were all “do you want to play with it 24/7?” I ended up with a black lab mix because I had just owned a purebred black lab for 14 years. Zero surprises except somehow I think he is part Husky because he freaking howls.♥ 5source record 841
Almost half of US hkuseholds own a dog, and i hardly see any at yhe most popular dog spot in my area. I really wish people qould think twice and realize the commitment it takes♥ 3source record 847
This is so true. I kind of always thought the breed descriptions were nonsense until having 3 boxers (over a span of many years). They absolutely fit their description.♥ 3source record 852
Breed makes a huge difference my first dog (by that I mean not a family dog, one I picked for me, because we always had dogs in the house) was a JRT I got as a teenager. It wasn't a good choice though I loved him and vice versa. He lived to be 18, we had adventures, but it wasn't an easy fit. My current puppy is a papillon, much better fit. Breed temperaments and standards really do give you a good idea. Also this breeder interviewed me to see if I was a good match for the puppy I was interested in specifically. I wasn't able to just pick him because he was cute and have him. This also made things more workable.♥ 3source record 853
This is #1 IMO! I have a friend that keeps getting husky’s because she thinks they are beautiful dogs (which they are), but don’t have a lifestyle that matches with the dog. So the dog is always running off and not listening. She thinks the dog is dumb and naughty, but in reality she’s the problem. That breed wants to run and work, not sit around the house all day.♥ 3source record 854
I knew a girl that worked a 9-5, lived in a small apartment, got an australian cattle dog and barely walked it. Kept it in a crate most of the time. And she wondered why the dog was nuts.♥ 3source record 857
My husband really wanted a German Shepherd. I have some health issues that make being active difficult, and makes me easily injured. I told him we can't because I cannot exercise it properly. I had labs growing up, and knew what a big dog needs and I could no longer provide it. He has a physical job and is too tired when he gets home to dedicate the time to exercising a large dog. My sister rescued a German shepherd, and it had even more energy than any lab we had as kids. It dislocated my knee when we met it. The exact reason why I did not want one. We have a cockapoo. We can play fetch with her inside, she can't really injure me. Short walks with inside fetch is enough exercise. Easier to train because she is too small to get in a lot of trouble. Like getting on counters. The breed is also normally easy to train because she wants our approval so badly. Being mixed, she has fewer health problems than her parent breeds. Her biggest issue is she's extremely social. She doesn't do well left alone, she won't eat or drink, she could get in the trash if motivated enough. Sometimes we leave and she'll cry and scratch the door. We will bring her to my parents then and being with their pets makes her happy. We did research before we got her. She's perfect for us. Best of all, she barely barks. She "talks" but she doesn't bark unless there is a reason. Everyone loves her because she is sweet, doesn't need leashed when not in public, and is quiet.♥ 3source record 861
People will buy Australian shepherds, put them in a 1 bd apartment and wonder why their dog is so hyperactive. Your dog is meant to herd sheep and you think it’s about to just chill in your house all day and be OK?♥ 3source record 863
Yessssss! I did so much research before we adopted, and he's great! As lazy as advertised!♥ 3source record 865
I mean if you receive this advice in advance and take heed of other peoples’ experiences, you totally can. I certainly did♥ 1source record 867
As with most commitments in life, it pays to do some research beforehand.♥ 2source record 868
I dont think this is even an unpopular opinion. I am an absolute Dog nut. I waited until I was 28 and in a stable relationship to get a dog. That still ended up being challenging. I advise most of my friends against getting one. They’re a huge and expensive commitment.♥ 2source record 876
We got lucky, our dog is anxious and likes to be left alone. High energy but low energy inside. Just like us. But we went through a specific adoption agency for jindos/Korean dogs so we knew what we were getting into.♥ 2source record 879
Yeeah you're correct. My family fell for the Husky propaganda. He was a really good boy and I wouldn't have changed anything about it, but damn it was a LOT of work raising that dog.♥ 2source record 881
Spot on. My friend is veterinarian and said people should choose dogs that match their own personality. For example, had a couple with beagle that were living in small apartment and preferred being home bodies and taking their dog out only twice for a short walk. That breed needs so much more outdoor time.♥ 2source record 882
I think of this everytime I see someone with a husky puppy. I’ve had advanced breeders tell me how difficult they are to properly train.♥ 2source record 883
Yeah I can attest to that. One of my sons brought home a mini Aussie and one brought home a French bulldog. The differences in the amount of special attention each of those dogs require is amazing. The mini Aussie needs you to constantly give her something to do. She wants to learn new things and have tasks. She wants to run and to work. We have a small orange ball and she wants to boop the ball up into the air to me all the time. So here she is in the living room at night booping the ball back to me playing catch basically and there’s the Frenchie just sitting, staring at the wall. Lol all he wants is loves and cuddles. He is the quiet nurturer and protector of smaller animals. She is just, well, she’s insane. Lol there’s no other way to put it.♥ 2source record 884
Shew, huskies are a good example of this. My husky is pretty chill for her breed but they are A LOT. I have to work with her on obedience (haha yeah right) constantly. It confoundes me that people get these dogs, don't exercise or train and then go all Pikachu face when they chew through the damn wall or destroy the couch.♥ 2source record 885
Yes! I have a mini poodle mix who is just the loveliest cuddly guy and has been my best friend for 15 years. Then I got a collie lab mix… he’s so sweet and objectively I love him but oh my god what a nightmare. This dog needs a farm with acres (seriously) and a job to be able to fully meet his needs otherwise he’s anxious, high energy and destructive.♥ 2source record 886
My buddy has a hound. I'll never get a hound ever. If I get a it's a livestock guardian like a /r/greatpyrenees or a jack of all trades like a Labrador♥ 2source record 887
I have friends who are very sedentary and decided to get a husky. That's going about as well as you'd expect. Gee, I wonder why the dog is destructive in the house. Could it be because you haven't taken him for a walk in six months?♥ 2source record 888
Border Collies are the worst for this: so beautiful, so smart - but they DEMAND a lifestyle that most people just don't have. If they don't have a hard job to do they're unhappy pups. Still beautiful though.♥ 2source record 890
This is why, as the owner of three huskies and a malamute, I tell people to never ever ever *ever* get a husky. Obviously I love the breed or I wouldn't keep doing this to myself, but too many people are smitten by their good looks and don't consider their more challenging traits. Shelters are filled with huskies for a reason. So if I list off all the cons and headaches and horror stories to prospective owners and they still want to be roommates with a husky, then I am happy to help them find the right match.♥ 2source record 891
As the adult child of two veterinarians, I have met so many people over my life who adopt high energy/high mental stimulation needs breeds like border collies, shepherds, malinois, huskies, etc and then give them a miserable life by shutting them inside the house or in a crate for 12 hours a day and wonder why their dogs have severe behavioral issues. It makes me wanna commit felonies.♥ 2source record 894
The dog conversation between my family and I was a lot of them going "cute puppy!!!" and me replying with "give me a dumb 1 year old dog at the youngest." We had, obviously, a more in-depth verdict of this conversation for years. It took a long time for my youngest to understand that huskies are a bad lifestyle match for our household. My husband, finally, staying hearing when I discussed what temperament we would need (he wanted for an excitable, in your face puppy - I said no). The dog we ended up with is smart enough to train easily, typically very calm, happy to play when anyone engages him, and chill enough that my oldest kid and a friend's kid, who both normally fear dogs, are happy to hang out with him. My husband feels like OP, and almost wishes we didn't have dog, still loves him, just feels overwhelmed. My youngest was disappointed at first (because he wasn't her dream fluffy pup) but now loves him constantly. And I have added just as much responsibility to my life as I was willing to take on. Knowing yourself and your lifestyle first is so important before adding any animal to it.♥ 2source record 901
So true My best friend has a fox terrier without doing too much research and he has absolutely drained her 😂 But she is very responsible and a good mom♥ 2source record 902
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE HUSKY OWNERS IN THE BACK PLEASE. THEY REALLY NEED TO FUCKING HEAR IT. IM LOOKING AT YOU HUSKY OWNERS WHO LIVE IN GEORGIA WITH 100+ DEGREE SUMMERS.♥ 2source record 904
Good start, but also know that dogs can "shut down" in the shelter atmosphere, so that quiet, calm, mildly anxious dog you picked out at the shelter might secretly be an agent of chaos once they decompress. 🙃♥ 2source record 911
This is the number 1 most important thing right here. The number of people who own Mali's as an example, and cant understand why the thing keeps destroying everything when they leave it alone for 16 hours in a 900sq ft condo. Like, try googling the breed first you idiots....♥ 1source record 919
I get side-eyes when I tell people I bought my dog from a breeder but I have ADHD, likely autism, other mental health issues, I needed to know EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF DOG I WAS GETTING. I love that there are people who are capable of dealing with the unpredictability that comes with rescuing an unknown-breed dog but not everyone is — and I don't think enough people are aware enough about *breed differences* to have that kind of foresight, either. I got a labrador because I have experience with labs. I know they are biddable. I know they can be trained. I know that I am capable of putting in the amount of work that labradors need. The other 1/4th "YMMV" part, I'll cross if and when I get there. I loooove dobermans, they're so gorgeous. Huskies are gorgeous. Shepherds are gorgeous. Akita Inus are gorgeous. I would fucking die if I owned any of those dogs.♥ 1source record 926
> Personally own an amazing well trained shiba that every person who interacts with her think she represents Shibas and want one. Lord have mercy on those that don't realize the work I put in the first two years to achieve that. I have a Shiba Inu mix (and that mix contains JRT and GSD). I love the boy dearly, but holy cow, he's opinionated and a lot of work to train. He's gotten better since he turned a year old, but he wears me out♥ 1source record 928
Yeah we rescued a 2 year old and she's sweet but my god I wouldn't advise anyone to get one unless you have good experience. High intelligence and high emotion, so they'll learn fast but that also means they learn how to manipulate fast♥ 5source record 940
"Doodle" is not a breed. A Labradoodle is an incredibly different dog to a cockapoo, but both are doodles (labrador retriever/poodle vs cocker spaniel/poodle). And either way, responsible breeders of purebred dogs aren't selling their puppies to doodle breeders, so doodles also come from inferior lines that are more likely to have health problems. There are lots of *actual* breeds that are good for first time owners. Doodles aren't one of them.♥ 5source record 942
I more or less agree! I think all the mindless doodle trashing is kinda pointless as they’re obviously here to stay. I’d rather see more focus on educating puppy buyers on how to select the right breed for their lifestyle what to look for in a good breeder.♥ 3source record 946
Yup. My family always had dogs. So when I bought my house I wanted a companion, I got an alaskian malamute. She is a low energy one so I got pretty lucky, but its still a challenge and if someone never had a dog before it would be a nightmare. I volunteered at the local animal shelter during college and the amount of dogs who were abandoned because people bought a dog based off looks and then realized that they require attention and activity not sitting on the couch all day long. Looking at you husky owners.♥ 1source record 988
I think the answer is right there in your comment - his behavior is pretty typical of dogs separated to warly from their mothers and littermates. [link removed]♥ 6source record 1078
People thinking of shelter dogs should especially consider this. I almost always get shelter dogs and can just say: its an incredibly mixed bag. Sometimes you get a perfectly socialized trainable dog and other times you get a dog with spay incontinence because they spayed it at 4 months and severe anxiety because it grew up with 25 dogs barking and whining the whole time. Its not always easy to tell what you got either if you go for ones under a year old. I know youtube shorts makes it seem like you can train anything out of a dog, and maybe someone can but your probably not that guy if you've never owned a dog. It can be incredibly tough.♥ 1source record 1138
Greyhounds & whippets will launch themselves at your cat too 😩 'cause they have really high prey drives for smaller floofs♥ 6source record 1201
Yeah, he wouldn't care, he'd jump them first and traumatize them for life lmao. I've had 2 greyhound/lurcher type mixes previously, first was adopted who spent first 6 months of his puppy life in kennels and had insane prey drive and was an absolute nightmare to train. Second was a greyhound, saluki, collie cross I made sure to socialise from a young age, but was such a sweetie to everything and everyone, even my pet rats.♥ 3source record 1202
so many people suited for a lurcher but people don’t like how they look, would rather have a high energy husky or belgian malanois …♥ 1source record 1264
Look into Maremma Sheepdogs. They look like a Pyrenees, are a little smaller and much more agreeable to work with. Cute AF pure white dogs, think a English Cream Retriever but larger. Not a beginner breed though.♥ 1source record 1271
Dogs are so different depends on the breed and character. I also always had cats, and I got my first dog after years of research. I picked the breed that is smart, trainable, not aggressive, not hyperactive, doesn't shed and smell. It requires special grooming (trimming) 2/3 times per year because only this would help her lose excessive dead fur. It great with cats and kids (i have 2 of each)♥ 3source record 1305
I have to keep reminding my grandpa that the shih tzu/poodle mix my Nana adopted is constantly wanting attention and lap time because he was literally bred to be a companion/lapdog and his whole purpose in life is to be loved and close to his people, lol. I know he doesn't want such a clingy dog, but my Nana loves him. You really do have to account for how needy a dog can be or they can be overwhelming for sure.♥ 2source record 1327
You can also get puppies from experienced breeders that are almost fully potty trained and do complete nights from the get go. No matter the human breeder experience, you’re sleep deprived and changing diapers for months.♥ 2source record 1502
People forget that dogs were largely bred with purpose. Very few dogs were meant to be lazy pets, because a small percentage in the population could afford them. Dogs are hard-wired to have a job, be very good at that job, and not get tired. People now get herding breeds and hounds and hunting dogs and leave them in the yard all day. They get angry when their husky wants six walks. We made them this way! They need to get their energy out daily. If you want a lazy breed, get a dog meant to sleep and watch. If you want one that never barks, get a cat.♥ 1source record 1535
Stafforshire mixes are the best, I have 3 in my family and all have been easy and super sweet dogs with out being in your face, our dog is super easy to care for, able to go pretty much anywhere with us, we made sure to get pet insurance which has helped tremendously with the cost♥ 3source record 1671
This! We went to a dog adoption event and got the puppy with the relaxed temperment. We had a toddler and knew we needed a pup that would roll with the chaos. The breed didn't really matter as much as his current disposition. He's unshakable with everything except falling tupperware (that'll send all 4 paws frantically scrambling across the kitchen linoleum). He's been the sweetest, most chill, best boy. Training goes a long way too.♥ 3source record 1673
Most people get the wrong breed of dog because they go based off trends and looks alone. Some breeds require way less care, stimulation, and training but for whatever reason, lazy owners tend to avoid those and insist on going for working breeds.♥ 2source record 1854
nuh uh i saw this shepomskydoodle on facebook marketplace and I WANT ITTT cause its ADORABLE!! what do you mean it sheds \*and\* needs professional grooming and it's an anxious mess and needs hours of exercise? I just wanted an instagrammable doggie >:((( The average fucking dog owner... \^ It's infuriating how little research people put into getting a LIVING BEING.♥ 2source record 1867
Exactly. I have a standard poodle and he's exactly the right fit for my lifestyle. He's got the exact right amount of energy and exercise requirements (he will want to be outside for an hour or two and then sleeps most of the day next to me lol) and his grooming requirements are something I love doing. I like that I don't have to vacuum after him daily and that he's easily trainable and extremely intelligent.♥ 2source record 1869
They got a hound mix and then are surprised it has a lot of energy. Like, yeah, of course she does! That’s the thing she was specifically bred for.♥ 1source record 1897
100% It’s the same people who get corgis cause they’re cute and wonder why they nip. They were bred for herding - specifically to nip and be low enough to the ground that they didn’t get kicked 😂♥ 1source record 1898
>Also, you should research breeds of dogs and find one that has a demeanor that matches your lifestyle. This combined with lack of training are the biggest problems. People gets dogs based on trendiness or off appearance, not what actually fits their lifestyle. Be honest with yourself, you're probably not actually going to give that husky (etc) three hours of activity a day. Also people treating small dogs like stuffed animals instead of dogs.♥ 1source record 1904
Your dog eating random things is likely due to the fact that it’s a hound mix, they’re kind of known for doing stuff like that. Same with the whole not letting you play with your kid without knocking them over thing.. As someone who’s done pet sitting for over a decade now I started as a dog lover and have now seen and dealt with so many dogs that I’m pessimistic I’ll meet my perfect dog my own dog was very, very close to perfect, excellent demeanor and highly i ntelligent, but his only problem for me was he had an aloof personality, not a cuddler 🥲♥ 2source record 2120
Don’t get a dumb breed. Start there♥ 2source record 2165
I love dogs, I'm a dog groomer, but I own two cats. Have no plans of getting a dog in the near future and there is a TON of breeds and mixes I would never get. People really need to look into the personality traits of the dog they're looking into over looks. Terriers are not for me, aside from possibly a boston terrier. Herding breeds are out, any kind of hunting dog aside from a water retriever is out, I'd consider a great pyrenees depending on the amount of space I have available. Huskies, German Shepherds, and Malinois are no gos. Basically I'd be down for a big stupid lab, big stupid poodle, possibly one of the scenthounds or a greyhound, or an akita. I like pomeranians too, but my partner wants a larger dog.♥ 2source record 2221
Also- as an Aussie mom I can confidently say- don’t ever get an Australian Shepherd. Clingiest, highest energy, smartest/ lovable pos you’ll ever meet. I’m on my second one and hooked but you would hate it. There’s a reason we call them “Aussholes”.♥ 2source record 2255
Dogs are a lot of responsibility and are certainly not for everyone. I have two Husky mixes under two and they’re lucky they’re so darn cute because they are so much work.♥ 1source record 2408
get a middle age dog most likely from the pound that can best fit into your situation. If you live in a apartment under no circumstances get a big or even medium size dog. If your single and are never home dont get a dog at all. If you have a active outdoor lifestyle like running, going to the lake getting a dog would be great. Don't get a puppy if no one will be home all day until after 5,:00. If you dont have a fenced in yard and the dog will be home all day by itself think twice no matter what type of dog it is. If you live on a farm pretty much any dog(s) will do great. Remember above all else you have to spend time with and involve the dog in your life otherwise you are both gonna be miserable♥ 1source record 2416
There might be some truth to this but i think you just need to find the dog that suits your preferences and lifestyle♥ 1source record 2426
I adopted my first dog in my early 20s. Amazing dog, so sweet, paid out the ass in vet bills a few times but the companionship and reason to build a home life/ground myself/not work 3 jobs just to fill my time was so worth it. When I was gearing up for the second about 5 years later, I explicitly remember a friend telling me “one dog is great, 2 is TOO MANY.” I don’t regret getting #2. My older dog is now far less anxious, mostly due to never truly being home alone. But he was sooooo right lol. Might as well have gone from 1 to 40.♥ 1source record 2482
Going for a hound as your first dog was an insane idea. Lol. Did they research breeds at all? They're energetic, and needy, and will eat everything. It does sound like your dog's diet is off. Our Beagle uses the bathroom in the same area, as did our previous Beagle. Cleaning it up is a non-issue. If it's constantly running it across the yard....diet issue. Though i'm a bit confused why it needed the vet after eating a slug? Dogs eat insects all the time.♥ 1source record 2496
I feel like people get dogs with absolutely no idea what they’re doing. They choose dogs for the way they look, not the way the breed behaves. They don’t understand the amount of work that goes into dogs, and they usually slack off when it comes to training maintenance. Then you get the “he’s friendly” people who have absolutely no awareness of the way their/their dog’s behavior affects other people and animals. Let alone the number of people who haven’t studied how dogs brains work then are shocked by behaviors that don’t make sense by human standards. Don’t even get me started about the amount of off leash dog people who have barely trained dogs. I live in a very dog friendly area, in fact it’s not even illegal to have a dog off leash in most areas that aren’t specifically listed as on-leash areas. I have done probably 500 hours of training a year for the last 4 years, my dog can be off leash, I’m confident there will never be an issue. But that’s after 2,000 hours of training, and maybe .0001 percent of people even scratch that amount of time spent training. As a 25 year old who has a dog and has literally never lived in a home without one (except for literally 6 months when I first moved out) it’s sad to see.♥ 1source record 2506
As another first time dog owner who also ended up with a hound mix, they are definitely not for first time dog owners. I got lucky though, my dog was always lazy, but she really came into her laziness in the past year or so. Also she thinks everything that's furry and has 4 legs is another dog that she has to play with.♥ 1source record 2508
Some breeds are FAR better at being fanily pets. Yorkies, Weiner (Daschunds) and Huskies are difficult dogs that take a lot of work. Not great for kids Golden/Labrador retriever, bemese are better. Pack oriented and bred to listen. These dogs are the chill ones that let your kid crawl all over them. They are ok with being last fiddle. Collies and German Shepard's and the like are bred to listen, but we need to work. If you don't work them, they get anxious, too much built up energy.♥ 1source record 2596
Sounds like you didn't do enough research before getting a dog, especially on breeds and their temperaments. Not to say owning a dog is easy, but most of the things you mention could be made easier or solved entirely if you had gotten a different breed. (Also just pick up the shit when it happens if you don't want to step on it later? Seems like common sense to me.)♥ 1source record 2619
I love animals and always had dogs growing up. But after visiting my aunt, who has a 2 yr old chocolate lab, I am realizing that I might be more of a cat person after all. Dogs can be great, but a lot of your life really has to revolve around them. They have to be taken out at certain times, trained, etc. It's just a lot. And my aunts dog has had zero training. You literally cannot leave anything around or he will chew it. Took my flip flops off, went to the bathroom to pee, and he's sitting there chomping away on my shoe. (Not his fault, obviously, but she has money and zero excuse to not have her dog trained by now).♥ 1source record 2625
Note to future dog owners, when viewing puppies dont pick the one that is clambering up your leg, pick the quiet one in the corner thats just chilling and doesnt care if you take them or not 😂♥ 2source record 2643
I will say, going from never having a dog to going to a hound dog is like never having played a video game and starting on difficult mode. If it helps, if the dog is being clingy to you then it has either chosen you as its trusted person or at least someone he trusts. For the poops we just pick it up as we go, no poop gets left.♥ 1source record 2679
Dogs were originally domesticated as functional members of the house. They were used for hunting, defending, and herding. They were largely allowed to free range and occupy themselves. Dogs now primarily don't have a function other than companionship, but they're still very high energy and high intelligence. They need something to occupy them. If there's nothing else around, it's you. They also need a lot of space - like an acre really isn't even enough. Dogs in apartments is borderline animal abuse.♥ 1source record 2680
My wife found a puppy that appeared to be abandoned. After taking it to the vet and verifying it didn’t have a chip or any link to an owner, she brought it home and surprised me with our very first dog. Ever. With neither of us having any experience owning one. She brought home a border collie. The learning curve we went through, and the lifestyle changes we had to make were both rough as hell. I felt so many of the same things you did, and especially the despair of “how am I going to meet this dog’s insane need for exercise and mental stimulation?” It took a while, but we eventually figured out enough to give her enough mental and physical stimulation to at least keep her happy most days, and content on the rest. She’s our best little puppers and I love her, but her workload has turned me off of owning a dog, and I don’t think we’ll get one after her… As long as I can resist my daughters’ pleas for another one, lol.♥ 1source record 2716
Did you do like zero research before getting a dog? Let alone a hound mix? Like I’m glad you’re taking responsibility, but maybe in the future do better research before making such a commitment.♥ 1source record 2789
We adopted a our great pyranees from a family member. We wanted a dog at one point, but weren't actively looking at the time. She's the sweetest girl ever, but boy does she have her issues. She's afraid of her own shadow and was very obviously not socialized very well. Everyone wants to pet her, and she just wants to run away whenever anyone approaches her (luckily she's not aggressive and just hides behind us). She has same-sex aggression, so if we try to socialize her with other dogs, it has to be a male or else she'll snap at the dog. She barks at every little sound and movement. We live on a pretty busy street, so we have to keep our blinds closed so she can't see people walking by. Which sucks because a big selling point on our house was the big front windows. (The family member conveniently forgot to mention how bad her barking was) We had to build a privacy fence because she would bark incessantly at the neighbors whenever they are in their back yard. Then the hair. Don't even get me started on the hair. She needs constant brushing and regular grooming appointments and we're still drowning in her fur. We don't even notice the cat shedding anymore because of the hair. And all in all, it's still not as bad as what I see other people with hyper active, destructive dogs have to deal with. At least all in all, she's very well behaved and calm when not in the aforementioned situations. She walks well, she's crate trained, she listens (when she wants to), she isn't destructive, and she doesn't need more than a short walk and running around for a few minutes for excercise before she wants to go take a nap. Love the dog, but after her, we're probably not going to get another dog anytime soon.♥ 1source record 2793
Get a breed that fits your need. If you have small kids get a chill breed that likes kids. So many people get a dog because it looks cute or cool and then the dog pays the price when it can't live up to the human's expectations. A lot of those dogs end up dead or having to be rehomed.♥ 1source record 2822
A lot of people get dogs dont teach commands give the dog no training they cant control the dog or worse, they get a pet from A shelter and most shelters lie about the breed and about the temperament so they can get unsuspecting people to take these terrible pets . My husband was taken advantage of of by a shelter that lied about the dog . People need to think long and hard and be able to pay for training .♥ 1source record 2833
As others have said, it can heavily depend on the breed and training. I grew up with standard poodles (60lbs) and they were fantastic dogs, easy to train, good with kids, adapted well to our energy level, lots of grooming needs and some stomach issues though. Still a lot of work. I don’t have one now because of my 12 hr work days (not fair to a dog) and every time I watched my brother’s dog, who was decently well behaved, I was reminded how much work it was. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth it, they can provide great companionship, it’s just not for me right now. It’s wild how similar my thoughts on children are to this (obviously minus the “breeding”). I grew up doing a lot of the caregiving for my 4 younger siblings. Kids are so much work and stress and money. They also need training/teaching. When I hang out with friends who have kids or with my nephews, let’s just say I’m glad I’m an aunt and it’s just for short stints. 😅♥ 1source record 2918
The key is the **hound** mix. That largely explains most of your complaints. Hounds tend to be sweet and clingy and love people and they tend to be some of the dumbest of any of the dog breeds. This can make them oblivious to many things other dogs would pick up on easily. It can make them more difficult to train. Don’t get me wrong, any dog is a big responsibility. Change the breed, change the dog’s attributes, and you change HOW the responsibility manifests itself but you don’t get rid of the responsibility. HOWEVER, that said, I can’t do hounds. They really are sweet dogs but they are frustratingly, INFURIATINGLY stupid.♥ 1source record 2920
Dogs were never meant to be kept as pets, but as workers. Our society has normalized keeping a highly active and intelligent animal inside 24/7 to their own detriment.♥ 1source record 3026
Seems like a lot of this is due to the breed. I have a hound mix and she's...exhausting to say the least. Sweet but dumb as a brick, really doesn't care about anything except smells, very selective listening. I also have a doberman that I raised from a puppy that is a super easy dog now. Simple to train, crazy owner focused, learns rules and doesn't test them (much). Although the landmines the dobie lays in the backyard are giant.♥ 1source record 3111
Know thy breed—and know what it was bred to do. Bloodsport genetics don’t disappear because the subject makes people uncomfortable.♥ 1source record 3201
Yes, dogs are not as easy to care for as people think and some are very difficult. It is never a good idea (as a side note) to gift someone an animal either. A lot of times those animals end up going to a shelter.♥ 1source record 3206
Nah! Having the ***right dog or cat for you*** is absolutely awesome! Respectfully, my dude, y’all screwed up – big time! 🐾 Y’all chose the exact wrong breed – wrong entire group – of dog for your situation! Seriously, did y’all do no research beforehand whatsoever?!?! 🐾 Y’all went out and got yourselves a fricking **hound dog**, for some insane reason… even though you don’t take it hunting… you don’t have a massive fenced-in yard with tons of hunting toys… and you don’t live way out in the country with several fenced-in wooded acres, where a hound dog could track and chase rabbits and squirrels, etc! 🐾 You should’ve gotten a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, or similar! They’re calm, quiet, patient 15lb lap dogs that get along great with little kids and the elderly… and they have no problem using puppy pads instead of messing up your yard!♥ 1source record 3234
Too many people choose dogs because they have seen them in cute pictures or videos. Only to realize how much work goes into training them.♥ 1source record 3375
I own multiple Australian shepherds. They keep me busy. I have a friend who is lazy with animals and she decided to get one. I told her I thought a different breed would match her personality better. The dog became aggressive and she dumped him at the pet shelter. People are concerned more about looks than personalities.♥ 1source record 3436
While there are common challenges to all, different breeds can present very different challenges and behaviors, and often families fail to do the research to find a breed which matches the "fit" of the family. I've had dogs all my life. It's absolutely a ton of work. But like children, if you really love and want them it becomes a labour of love.♥ 1source record 3465
Living with another creature can be really hard and frustrating but owning an untrained dog that doesn’t suit you especially sucks…. you can train a dog to poop in one area of the yard get an older rescue so you know the personality and habits and activity level don’t annoy you have a relationship with your people such that they don’t get a dog that doesn’t suit you but yeah it’s another living thing with free will and basic bio needs that don’t stop; all those needs cost in money, time, scheduling, and effort… and when you are ill or have any kind of injury it is tough! I won’t get another dog until I can get two to keep each other company, am not traveling or working, and can really kick [account] and let them be DOGS.♥ 1source record 3508
You got a hound dog. Thats part of the problem. Hunting dog (hound dog fits here). Not typically good choices for house dogs with a yard. Hunting dogs are bred for coat - temperament - field use. They typically are able to think independently or as part of a pack. Stubborn and energetic. I used to have to run my gwp 2 hours a day or he would tear up the house. Labs are interesting as well. American varieties better have a big yard where the English varieties make great family dogs. And the list goes on Herding dogs. I w had Great Pyrenees and miniature Aussies. Great animals. Follow commands. Loyal. Watchful. When I had these my kids were all less the. 7.5-10. I forget. I never had to watch my kids. I did but the dogs would keep such a close eye on them and not let them get near anything dangerous. Smart and easy to train. But don’t swear off dogs. Understand the breed and characteristics and then evaluate individual dogs. Training is the hardest part. But the more time you put into training the less time you deal with the issues. I trained both my dog and kids that when he goes out to clean up the pool when it happens. And also if your dog is really pooping that much you need to look into his diet. A lot of people buy the cheap dog food. The problem is most are filled with corn filler that gives no nutrition to the dog and creates gi issues. I switched to a brand (I don’t recommend on Reddit but if you want to know just message me) that was more expensive but I fed less and my dogs coat and form is so much better now . Also I’m not understanding why a vet visit for eating a slug. Trust me they will eat a lot worst and you don’t have to worry. They eat everything.♥ 1source record 3510
Hounds are a massive pain. I say sitting next to my sleeping beagle cross. She’s shameless and will eat anything and I’ve had to take her to the vet multiple times for eating chocolate she found in the park. She’s the sweetest bestest baby but my god I should have researched more thoroughly before picking her. I tell my fiance don’t let me get another especially not a puppy. They are a lot of work. It’s good work mainly but it sucks in winter having to take her out even when it’s wet and cold because we don’t have a garden. And she’s lucky I have a good job it was over 1K the other day at the vet for her teeth to be cleaned and other things. They are not cheap. But I don’t mind that she takes up a decent hunk of my time and is my biggest expense after my mortgage. She’s worth it. I don’t know what spell they cast over you but she’s got me.♥ 1source record 3514
having dogs is a lot of work and i honestly don’t think many people should get a dog unless they’re ready to do the extensive research to take care of them. i know my dog inside and out so our routine is set in stone. taking care of her is actually the easiest part because of how much research i did for her breed. there are breeds that are lazy and preferred to be left alone if you do reconsider getting a dog i would look into breeds like that.♥ 1source record 3533
I got a dog in college and bought my girlfriend (my now wife a dog) at that time. We now have two kids and two dogs. I wish I did not have dogs. One is a Basenji and he's an absolute pain in the ass. never ever get a Basenji. They banned me from the subreddit for telling the truth♥ 1source record 3561
Not to be preachy but for anyone thinking about it, this is why you really need to look into the breed you want and their needs before getting a dog. The dog I always wanted growing up was a malamute but after doing my research I just simply wouldnt be able to give them what they need to be happy so it'll never happen, thinking otherwise just wouldnt be fair on us or them. You also want to enjoy them as well, they should be your little pal, so they have to be a good fit. We have two shihtzus and they are the absolute best fit for our family, my wifes allergic to most breeds and with two kids we are quite busy but we still get to walk them twice a day and make sure they're happy, loved and well looked after.♥ 1source record 3592
Biggest thing is if you get a mutt or a pure breed. Unlike cats where just picking one off the street will work out just fine, dogs are more complicated. The amount of dogs I have seen be absolutely disgusting were always mutts. Whereas the dogs that smelled fairly fine, weren’t disgusting, and actually had some brains to them? Yeah they were pure breeds. I have and owned 2 poodles, both of them were absolutely the best dogs hands down and not only that but smart. You know a dog is smart when they’re too smart for their own good and beat u at ur game. So what to take from this is if you want a good dog get a pure breed humanely and if you just like dogs go adopt one at a kennel. And that cats > dogs over any day.♥ 1source record 3701
Your opinion is valid but sometimes you just need a dog to fit your lifestyle, i love being outside and have a husky mix, it works out. I cant handle velcro dogs and my dog is perfect because we chill together then she goes off and wants to be alone♥ 1source record 3754
Most dogs have the intelligence of maybe a 3 year old child at best. You gotta be careful which breed you choose. A lot of the more popular breeds are dumb as fuck. I'd go with a golden retriever or an australian shepherd. They're pretty smart and aware.♥ 1source record 3862
I grew up with dogs, and it was a life goal to have my own, but had to wait a long time until I was in a situation where I could. At 45 I was home-working, had a house with a secure garden. Married, no kids. Spent time researching the right breed for us. I grew up with terriers, who were great around the house, by did they ever have a chip on their shoulder when they met other dogs! I love working breeds (collies, spaniels, labs). After some discussion with various breeders and long-time owners we went for a labrador. Actually 2...one from a puppy, and a second when the opportunity was offered to pick up a failed working dog at a year old. The first 18 months was \_hard work\_. A complete re-schedule of our lives. Puppy classes, training, walking. And just when you think it's all coming together, they hit 8-10 months old, and turn into dickheads, and you're starting again from scratch. 5 years in, and I don't regret it, but there are still lots of commitments. You don't want to leave them alone for too long, holiday care costs. Fortunately they are both pretty healthy, so vet bills have been minimal (both were from good breeding stock, and we had access to all parent health records, eye tests, DNA tests, hip and elbow scores). We've moved to a bigger house, and we absolutely considered the dogs when moving, so garden size and access to countryside was a must. We still do training sessions, mostly around dog manners, as the idiots can't grasp the concept that they are 25kg of energy each, and not everyone can handle that. I see a lot of people with (basically) untrained dogs (no recall, no control), and that really looks like hard work. The grind we did for the first couple of years has paid off now. I'm not sure I could handle a house without them. On the rare occasions they are away (normally just before or after a holiday) the house feels very quiet and empty. They've been great for home-working, forcing a routine that gets me out the house. I'm dreading when they get towards end of life. I know how heart-breaking it can be, and my wife has not had dogs before, so that will be hard as well. That's a long way in the future tough (hopefully).♥ 1source record 3875
Not only a dog, but a hound dog too!!! 😂 I grew up with dogs and was main caretaker/trainer, so I was very confident in my abilities! The first dog I got when I was 19 is a treeing walker coonhound/bloodhound mix and omfg she is the most stubborn mouthy diva of a dog I have ever known. I thought I was so prepared and I was DEAD wrong lmao! She is 7 now and since getting married, my husband and I also got a Plott hound/black mouth curr mix—ANOTHER hound lmfao. I couldn’t see it any other way though and would love to add a beagle or another type of hound, they’re so sweet even if they are a handful. Walking dogs every day isn’t for everyone-it does help with energy and bonding and is really good for them!-but we’ve always lived in apartments so we’ve had to take them around the block to go potty and it’s second nature to pick up poop right after it happens now and they’re on a great schedule. We actually just got an exercise pen for our plotthound, he can be a bit destructive and crazy with his zoomies. I’d recommend putting your girl in one of those with some treats whenever you wanna play chase with just your toddler! Can be a safe space for her (and keep toddler safe!) and give her a place to go if she ever gets overstimulated from your kid too!♥ 1source record 3879
Different breeds do not have some of these problems. This is why some people pick specific dog breeds for life.♥ 1source record 3924
I feel this is my SOUL and I did extensive research before I got my portie. But man oh man, I wouldn’t get this breed again lol. But I would choose my Lola in every lifetime - if that makes sense lol♥ 1source record 3928
Did you not do any research at all before getting this dog?♥ 1source record 4003
You don’t have dog problems. You have hound problems. They’re different.♥ 1source record 4076
I love dogs. Have had multiple dogs in my life but there are definitely some that I don’t like. We had a beagle who was a recycler and would puke it all up in the house. Apparently that was a common thing with that breed. Future dog owners - do your research before getting the dog. Also, mutts for the win. Usually don’t have near the issues of purebreds.♥ 1source record 4094
You sure that's not just the hound? I love my two, and our beagle is the best dog ever. But we are dog sitting for a Bassett and holy hell, the SLOBBER 😭 I love dogs & have always had them around. That being said, there are definitely breeds I'd never choose. Basset hounds, collies, & aussies are all on that list. I'm also paying someone else to train our next one♥ 1source record 4103
I think you just got the wrong dog! There are some breads that are way more intelligent than that dog!♥ 1source record 4239
"my wife and her grandma got a hound mix" Yeah... I would never get a hound mix.♥ 1source record 4241
I have an Aussie and she's the best. They have lots of energy and need to be exercised daily. It's a herding dog. But they do get really attached to their person.♥ 1source record 4295
Dogs are made to be outside, with room to roam, and have a job to do. My family has aussies we use to to herd our goats and sheep. They are outside and working most of the day. They have plenty of room to run and we let them. They love it, are intelligent, and listen well. Now stick any dog (particularly a working breed) in a house for 18 hours a day or more, and its no wonder they have issues. Combine that with the vast majority of dog owners not training their dogs at all past going outside to potty. Speaking of potty, having a small dog you have to let out every hour is just awful. And dont get me started on being around pugs, or the little yappin chinese water torture dogs. Owning a dog sucks. Unless you have a purpose for them, its just loading more chores on yourself. Dogs deserve more than what most people give them. Inmates get more recreation and outside time than some dogs.♥ 1source record 4331
That's a hound dog for you... my dad has a beagle and she is the reason I choose to have a dog free home..♥ 1source record 4360
A lot of owners get the wrong breed for their lifestyle. If you are 93 years old or work 80 hrs a week out of the house, perhaps a malinois is not for you. It sounds like the dog needs its diet adjusted and idk why a vet needed to intervene when the dog ate a slug..?♥ 1source record 4372
Some people just aren't cut out for dog ownership and it happens WAY to often to where they get a dog without researching the breed, neglect doing as in depth training as they would like, or not figure out the actual requirements for that particular dog. Then the owner end up SEVERELY regretting it and it puts them off owning a dog forever and this sounds like the situation here along with a good stint of Laziness and lack of responsibility. Most Hounds for one is a high energy working(hunting) dog and will quickly take to training when young. If limitations was set for where to use the bathroom when they was being trained they would stay in that limit. They are designed around 3 things track, chase, and retrieve. So yeah if you're running after your son the dog is going to go "oh, get the boy" and since it's a little big to retrieve a toddler stopping them is the next best option.♥ 1source record 4415
I also am going to add that having your first experience be a hound is pretty demoralizing. Their breed makeup is super demanding as a whole.♥ 1source record 4454
My husband and I always say that if you get the wrong dog then it could absolutely ruin your life. Every dog should come with a trial run to see if it fits your life. That would make it so much easier! If you get the right dog, though, it's the best thing in the entire world. Most people will say it's all about training, etc. It's not, though. Every dog has a personality and you can't just train it out. That's why your personality needs to meld with your dog's personality or it is not going to be a match made in heaven. Everyone has made it so taboo to talk about. God forbid if you need to rehome a dog because it doesn't work out. People act like you're rehoming your own child, even though it makes everyone involved much happier.♥ 1source record 4517
As a dog trainer, I've had an obsession with dogs my entire life. But, because I rambled, here's a tldr: I would not be able to live with regular pet people's dogs I train 😅😂 One thing I've learned is breed matters. Rescues, especially puppies, are a huge shot in the dark. I love rescuing, don't get me wrong, but I prefer to shop responsibly right now for my lifestyle. I try to explain how important breed and/or temperament is when picking out a dog, but many come to me after the problems start. For poop in the yard, that's something where I don't have an issue with. I am outside with my dogs and have a poop scooper, and pick up right after they've done the deed. I'm also out there training, playing fetch (mixing obedience into fetch), and focusing on mental and physical enrichment before heading to class. I have high drive dogs that need constant attention. And I truly enjoy it. But I've been training dogs for 15 years, and have owned dogs for 14. I'm 29. I have also lived on a facility and did an internship for a year training high drive dogs in protection sport. And I want to go to college for neuroscience to study dog training and communication at a scientific level. My friend enjoys to see dogs interact with each other in groups, while I hate that (too chaotic for me), and I prefer to see how dogs interact with owners during obedience, work, and regular everyday activities. My dogs had a planner for the activities they had to go through for the first 2 years of their life, so that my life would be easier once they were 3, lol. And it works. Vet visits, bath time, nail trims, downtown events, thunderstorms, fireworks, etc, are so easy peasy. I'm the one flinching at loud thunder and fireworks when it catches me off guard, and all my dog wants is to play ball, or hide and seek. But also, I do need to dedicate 2 hours minimum to training and physical exercise. Which, again, isn't a big deal. Other people's dogs with bad habits that cause more stress than good to the human is where I would definitely struggle if I had to live with it. I enjoy my dogs, no one else's, but I dedicated a lot of time to be able to enjoy my dogs, and for them to enjoy life in general.♥ 1source record 4521
Yeah, hounds will eat ANYTHING and EVERYTHING and they will run away chasing a scent. They aren't the easiest dog for first time dog owners. I've had a few beagles and I loved them so so much but other dogs I've had have been easier to train and don't actively try to eat themselves to death everyday.♥ 1source record 4537
Avoid buying a breed known for being stupid, or aggressive. That’s pretty helpful from the start.♥ 1source record 4580
Owning the right dog for you doesn’t suck. It seems like this dog is a mismatch for your expectations. There are breeds that are naturally more chill, breeds that are naturally more active, breeds that are clingy and breeds that are slightly more aloof. Individual personalities come into play, for sure, but if you’re thinking of dogs as one thing then that’s where you already went wrong. Training and handling also play an enormous role, but breed tendencies are probably even more important than that. I have two dogs and they are very, very different. I raised them the same but they have breed tendencies that dictate how they responded to my training. One is very chill, likes to be nearby but not in my space, can’t be bothered to do much more than acknowledge my existence with occasional eye contact and a little tail wag, does what he’s told most of the time, doesn’t steal food…just a certified Good Boy and the easiest dog ever. My other one is a greed goblin, a professional personal space invader, with zero impulse control and zero chill. They are different breeds and both act in harmony with their expected temperaments. I love them both, but the space invader is actually my preferred experience owning a dog. She is hilariously out of pocket and it’s very entertaining, and I love how attached and attuned to every twitch of my toenails she is. Which is why it’s important to know what you want before you acquire a dog.♥ 1source record 4641
Wellll, it's because she a a hound dog. You e basically tried to assimilate a living breathing hunting machine♥ 1source record 4646
I was always surprised they kinda just say here you go and give you a dog from the shelter lol Just check your id, pay the fee, get a goodie bag, adios. No like follow up or booklet or training guide or telling you about their personality or what to expect. Idk what I was expecting. Anyway I know what you mean responsibility and time wise, I walk my dog 4 times a day. 10,000 steps…. But, worth it. I wasn’t prepared for how fast and strong i would love. Dont get me wrong he’s handful but thats what makes him him.♥ 1source record 4782
I'm sure others have mentioned this here but two things come into play here that just makes things more stressful. The first is the breed. Larger breeds like a hound have far more energy, and often times larger dogs require more "maintenance." The second being training. If you don't put in the time to train your dog, you are going to have a bad time. I love dogs, but I absolutely can't stand some of my friends dogs who clearly just spoil and let their dogs get away with anything they want. The constant jumping, barking, and one not even being properly housetrained...♥ 1source record 4796
This is why it is important to \-have realistic expectations of bringing an animal into your family \-find the right dog breed for your lifestyle(if it’s none, that is ok ) \-find an ethical breeder who fully health tests and proves their dogs as well as proper puppy raising \-train and enrich the dog, early and often♥ 1source record 4803
Honestly, if I wasn’t raised with them, I couldn’t imagine what it’d be like getting a dog for the first time at 26 year old. Let alone a hound or hound mix. I was raised with and continue to have working coonhounds. I wouldn’t have it any other way, but i also wouldn’t recommend them to someone who’s not experienced with dogs.♥ 1source record 4824
She said it in a way that honestly didn't click for us until later when our lab proved to be a little stubborn with certain behaviours. But, I understand what she did both from an ethical/moral perspective (best home for the dog) and from a business woman's perspective (it's bad for business to have dogs returned or eventually sent to a shelter b/c an owner can't handle that dog). I would have done the same thing as a breeder, I would have saved the most rambunctious dogs for the most experienced owners and I would have been honest, but low sold the fact they were getting the biggest "handful" from the litter.♥ 1source record 4897
This! My dog did the exact same thing and was super sweet when I petted her at the shelter. Took her home and she is the sweetest dog I’ve ever been around!♥ 1source record 4917
Yeah, we didn't know what the mix was until after we adopted him. His mom was a purebred Shiba that got out and the owner dumped the pups as early as the rescue would take them. I fell for the cute fluffy baby and then found myself with 50lbs of Energizer Doggy. I thought we were good at training dogs because we have an obedient corgi, but Oso is a whole different challenge 😅♥ 1source record 4926
Yep. 💯. Or how about people that buy Samoyeds and Malamutes that live in AZ. Really??? Plus, a dog is not an impulsive buy. "Oh I saw it on TV and now I have to have it!". Uh no. Sit down and research everything there is to know about a dog that might fit the way you live. If you don't do this, you don't deserve a dog.♥ 1source record 4931
Oh my coworker has one that comes to work with us everyday, We lovingly call her a "Tiny terror". She is a sneaky little thing when she is up to no good. Terriers in general are stubborn little things and I wouldn't recommend them to most people LOL. Aww poor dog, makes me wonder why have a dog at all at that point.♥ 1source record 4932
100% believe they are not a beginner dog. They take a lot of work due to how intelligent and hardheaded they can be. Throw in bursts of energy due to being a herding breed, and you can get a very temperamental destructive dog. No offense but it does not sound like you bf has the time or knowledge to correct the behaviors of that dog.♥ 1source record 4935
When i rescued her they told me she was a doodle and flat coated retriever mix which she looks almost identical to a flat coated retriever. Later decided to do a dna panel to find out that she is mostly lab, great pyr, and heeler. She has the size of a lab, but the coat and attitude of a great pyr (pyr paw and all, if I dont rub her enough she starts swingin).♥ 2source record 4941
Some of the best working dogs on the planet, some of the worst family pets for people who have no clue about the breed. It's infuriating to see people be so stupid with the animals, and then blame the animal because they are dumb. ugh.♥ 1source record 4954
In my experience village mutts are the best dogs ever, smart, healthy and fiercely loyal. I would never get a purebreed dog again. If I compare my previous purebreed German Shorthaired Pointer with my border collie + something mix now, they are an universe apart. Pointer had health problems all the time, destroyed many things at home, ran away for half a day few times a week, killed neighbour's chickens... well at least she wasn't aggressive towards humans I guess. My border mix is a total opposite, never destroyed a thing, never ran away - I can leave her outside for hours without supervison and I am sure, she won't leave the property.♥ 1source record 5002
LGDs like their independence. They sometimes just do not make good house dogs. Wonderful creatures when they have an outside job to do. Sorry you went through that♥ 1source record 5072
But you have the right breed for the lifestyle. Owning a herding breed when you live in an apartment in a city is a different ballgame. Your dogs are a perfect match for your lifestyle and what you got going on♥ 1source record 5100
I mean… it’s really not that bad if you get a breed that matches your personality. Unfortunately I see a lot of people get dogs just for their looks without doing any research on the breed’s needs and disposition. My dogs are easy as hell, low maintenance, don’t bark, and don’t smell.♥ 1source record 5308
I’ve been around/caring for dogs for around 20 years (I’m only 26). My family has two Havanese at the moment, one is 14 the other is 3. They’re quite small but they will get extremely depressed and start crying if you don’t interact with them while they’re awake for more than hour. This may sound counterintuitive but if you’re planning on getting a dog that’s a couple weeks old, consider getting two of similar age, even better if they’re siblings. They’ll be a lot more well behaved around other dogs, they’ll be less lonely, provide comfort to each other and take off a little of the burden of constant attention from yourself. I dread the day that my older one passes away because despite the age difference, they’re really bonded to each other and I know the little one will be heartbroken.♥ 1source record 5309
That is horrible advice. Littermate syndrome.♥ 1source record 5310
I think most people struggle because they dont bother to choose the breed that suits their lifestyle. So they are couch lovers but get a husky and then get all upset that the dog tears the house up. I got dogs that like a 20 minute walk and 5 minutes to zoom around the yard, then sleep the rest of the day. they sleep more then my two cats do. LOL♥ 1source record 5315
Hounds aren’t an easy breed, try like.. a fish next time.♥ -1source record 5397

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What readers reported: Had a Golden Retriever for 10 years. After he died 6 years ago, life became sooo much easier. (He was a great family dog). Now my family dog-sits for our friends and family regularly. It's a killer life hack... Enjoy the dog(s)for 3 to 10 days! Give em back! No need for a decade + of inconvenient responsibility!

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My in-laws have a big dog that...lacks restraint. When they go out of town, they have my 85 year old grandmother in law take the dog to her house. This dog is difficult to walk as she pulls the leash and often climbs on people. My wife and I end up staying at my GIL's, but it's really inconvenient and a big ask. I 100% disagree with having my life revolve around an animal.

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I love dogs as long as they're not my own. Never again

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Yep. I just watched my neighbor’s puppy for a few hours and, while she was lovely and I had fun, I was reminded why dogs are not for me. Happy to be the fun auntie 🤣

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Hard agree. I tell people I love dogs.. for other people. Not for me. I love them and then give them back.

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See? And this is why as a general lover or liker of pets, I simply make friends who already have the pets. Same with kids tbh. I can play and frolic all I want with your chickens, but then I get to go home and don't have to worry about it!

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Being a dog uncle/aunt is the sweet spot. You get all the cute tail wags, but the moment its time to clean up muddy paw prints or hunt for hidden landmines in the yard, you get to hand them back! I own cats and they might act like arrogant landlords, but at least they quietly use a box and dont require 24/7 high energy supervision

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I love dogs. I’m a pet sitter. I would never own one.

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My neighbour has a collie which is great for me as sometimes I get to play with a collie but never have to look after a collie♥ 5source record 66
It is always a good thing to know if you can meet a pet or child's needs. If you can't meet their needs, but would still like to spend some time with them, find a friend and offer to be a sitter for nights out or something. Highly recommend.♥ 4source record 69
Yep. I just watched my neighbor’s puppy for a few hours and, while she was lovely and I had fun, I was reminded why dogs are not for me. Happy to be the fun auntie 🤣♥ 4source record 70
See? And this is why as a general lover or liker of pets, I simply make friends who already have the pets. Same with kids tbh. I can play and frolic all I want with your chickens, but then I get to go home and don't have to worry about it!♥ 950source record 209
I love love LOVE dogs! Other people’s dogs.♥ 4source record 223
I tell people the truth: I like other people’s dogs.♥ 85source record 298
A bunch of my friends have dogs and I've always loved dogs so I've looked after them all a bunch of times. I love them but completely agree with OP. I have them for like 2-7 days usually and by the end of day 3 I'm so done with them. Having to plan your entire day around them. Bad enough that you can't go out and do certain things because of them but sometimes you also can't just have a rest. "It'd be nice to sit down and watch some TV right now but I have to take the dog for another walk. And even though I live near 3 or 4 nice parks, I've been to all of them like 5 times each in the past 5 days and I have to spend another hour of my day to go AGAIN, whilst it's grey, slightly rainy and windy outside."♥ 4source record 299
Had a Golden Retriever for 10 years. After he died 6 years ago, life became sooo much easier. (He was a great family dog). Now my family dog-sits for our friends and family regularly. It's a killer life hack... Enjoy the dog(s)for 3 to 10 days! Give em back! No need for a decade + of inconvenient responsibility!♥ 220source record 302
Honestly I love that. I’d happily have a dog for a week! Any longer and I’m out 😂♥ 6source record 307
[link removed] It tends to be quite a bit longer than a week, but it's not a lifetime responsibility.♥ 5source record 308
Most pets are much more fun to play with and then not have any actual responsibility for, yeah♥ 31source record 359
Basically everything is perfect if you can benefit from them but not have to deal with the shitty stuff. That’s why I’ll never own a boat again but I’m more than willing to go on someone else’s boat (that they have to maintain).♥ 24source record 360
Dogs are fun when they’re somebody else’s. Cats are fun when they’re yours.♥ 82source record 385
I grew up with dogs and I will always love dogs. That being said, I know myself well enough to know that I never want to live with a dog again. I think I would love to dogsit in other people's homes. Not my own.♥ 7source record 405
I love dogs but I will never own a dog. I pet sit for my friend and that’s it. It’s like being on baby duty 24/7 - except human babies eventually get potty trained.♥ 5source record 441
And this is why I love on other people’s pets, but will never EVER have my own 😂♥ 1source record 982
Yeah. I like to call myself the permanent aunt. I will watch your kids and dog but I am glad to return them. Dogs are indeed very needy, also depends on breed. I work with a client and she has lots of well loved dogs. My goodness the barking at everything. The poop everywhere. Fur everywhere. Never having anything nice cause the dog knocks it over and breaks it. They are constant toddlers. Don't get me started on cats. I like them but could never own one. I shall stick to guinea pigs.♥ 1source record 985
Omg shrimp! That sounds fascinating! And yeah, I'll even help a friend take care of a pet or clean up after them. Doing it like once, ever is no big deal. Having it as a daily responsibility might break me.♥ 1source record 1297
Exactly this. I have many friends with dogs and actually am a nanny of a family who owns a dog so I do, in a sense, have some part time dog care under my belt. And even THAT is too much for me. Passively taking care of that dog during my workday is five times more work than my two cats combined.♥ 2source record 1322
Yep, much more easy to be a cats aunt or uncle, enjoy petting and playing with them, and then once they start doing something you don't wanna deal with it's not your problem♥ 2source record 1325
I’m down with opp. (Other peoples pets)♥ 2source record 1329
Same. I just spent two weeks visiting my friends in Japan and all of them have cats. I got to hang out with like 9 different cats over a span of two weeks and then come back to my cat-hair free apartment. The hair doesn't actually bother me but it bothers my allergies.♥ 2source record 1331
That's why I always say being the cool uncle beats being a dad♥ 2source record 1332
You might look into fostering. It’s very low commitment and it makes a massive difference for the individual dogs and the shelter system as a whole♥ 2source record 1410
Same! I have a cat, and I enjoy my grand dog.♥ 3source record 1435
Hahaha I love dogs but this is the way indeed. My brother and mum both have a dog. Going on holiday? Sure I'll dogsit, have a great week and then give them back and enjoy my new found feeeddom again.♥ 3source record 1477
This is the way, especially for people without kids. I've been an aunt since I was 8. Grew up watching kids and babysitting. Decided not to have any of my own. Once I got to an age and neighborhood without many kids, I started pet sitting instead of babysitting. I can get a cuddle fix, do some exercise for a week, love on the pets and then turn them back over to their owners like a proper pet-auntie. Now I have my own and I miss that freedom. He's a great dog and has fit into my life wonderfully, but it's still hard.♥ 3source record 1480
For real! My sister has two good size dogs and one is still sort of a puppy so she's a constant presence. I go home to my 3 cats and can feel like they're not even there. It's lovely.♥ 2source record 1508
Not the same but I foster animals pretty regularly, some lasted over 2 months. I loved them so much get sad when they go away, but am immediately grateful afterwards at the freedom it gives you to not have an animal to take care of. Then a couple weeks later I get another one and the cycle continues.♥ 5source record 1518
I’d love to do this. I hate all my friends’ stupid dogs.♥ 1source record 1548
i looked after my cousins dog for a few days. she’s lovely but it really confirmed to me that i never want to own a dog.♥ 1source record 1642
As I often tell people, "I love kids and dogs, as long as they belong to someone else."♥ 3source record 1958
Ugh thank you for your post! I don't own any dogs but I had dog walked/ animal sat for a bit while unemployed. Mostly family and the occasional family friend but I was gonna do Rover until I realized that ppl really don't train their dogs lol (family and family friends are one thing but one stranger with a crazy dog yea no thanks) but also I realized I'm not fond of the clinginess especially My aunt and uncle's dog super sweet but omg will follow me around the house it would drive me nuts!! I know dogs are pack animals blah blah but I'm just going to the bathroom pls! Tmi but there was one night I ate something that did not agree with me and was getting up to go to the bathroom several times...dog went with me each time like nooo ToT But back to the lack of training. I'm sorry but if you're gonna have a dog at the VERY least leash train them!! All the dogs I walked except for 2 would pull on the leash. My hand/wrist/ legs would hurt bc I'm being tugged. Anyways I'm employed so no more dog walking or pet sitting for me~♥ 2source record 2009
I’m with you, my guy. Fuck having dogs. They are really cool as long as they live in other places.♥ 3source record 2016
This is why I’m a dog sitter and not a dog owner haha. I LOVEE them, but don’t have it in me to own one. Hopefully in the future Also, why aren’t you picking up after your dog? At least every few days..♥ 2source record 2034
The best dog is someone else's♥ 2source record 2124
Yupp I absolutely love dogs… Other people’s dogs. If I had major acreage I would get a couple dogs, but urban dog lifestyle ain’t for me. You didn’t even mention dealing with logistics every time you go out of town, or dog hair/smell all in the house♥ 2source record 2138
I love other people's pools, other people's boats, and other people's dogs.♥ 2source record 2140
I just hang out with my moms dog and cats. I never want to own one myself because I don't want the responsibility, same with kids. I'm good.♥ 2source record 2144
Yeah dogs, boats, pools I love experiencing them, when someone else owns them.♥ 2source record 2146
Thought I was the only one. I love dogs to death and even volunteer at a shelter. But I don’t want to take one home. I love hanging out with other people’s dogs and then going home. It’s just too much work than I’m willing to commit to right now in my life. Maybe one day♥ 2source record 2168
I dogsat for my friends giant dog a few weeks ago and it solidified my decision to not have a dog, especially a big one. I came out of it with bruises and scrapes and exhaustion. She was very sweet but she jumped on me constantly, whined LOUDLY when left alone for more than a few minutes, ate any ol' random thing off the ground that would fit in her mouth, and walked me when I tried to walk her. I know that a lot of those issues are on my friend for not training her properly, but again that solidified in my mind that I cannot handle a dog. I do not have the patience to train something that big and volatile, and I know it's a big time commitment. I love my three cats that chill and purr and cuddle softly and occasionally hawk up a hairball.♥ 2source record 2216
As a cat person who had to dog sit my friends dog for a week, I was PISSED when I found out the dog will start barking at 5 am to wake me up, and then having to walk it outside in the freezing weather and slightly raining. I had to keep leaving events early and reject plans because I had to feed and take the dog to the bathroom or else he’d chew up the furniture. Safe to say I’ve never dog sat after that. I was very relieved to go back home to my cats♥ 2source record 2238
I love playing with my neighbor's dogs. And then I go home. :)♥ 1source record 2349
I learned that I love other people's dogs, but I am just not the kind of person to take care of a dog.♥ 1source record 2439
We had dogs when our kids were growing up. And it's great to do so in order for kids to learn about responsibility and caring for other living things. But they died shortly before our youngest graduated highschool. I was looking forward to an empty nest and taking time to focus on myself for the first time in 25 yrs, Then my friend begged me to foster a dog for two weeks, we still have a fenced backyard and doggie doors for big dogs from our previous dog days. The potential owner was having surgery and needed some recovery time before he could take her. I told my friend that I really really didn't want a dog...two weeks was it. Two weeks came and went. The potential owner fell through. We tried one other rehome buy she fought with the other dogs and came back to me full of fleas and scratched up face after 4 days. My friend stopped trying to find a new home after that failure. It's been 3 years. Kids are off in college and living elsewhere. It's mostly me at home....with a big ole, sweetheart that follows me everywhere (I'll never get to pee alone again apparently), prevents me from having people over (she gets very anxious), has to be taken in consideration if I want to get someone to do the yard (a job I'm willing to pay for in 100 degree summers), has to be taken in consideration if I want to get away for the weekend (or longer, lord forbid), has left scratch marks on my leather furniture (not from intentionally clawing or being destructive, just from putting her paws up for pets or to give me the ball to throw), all of the ball throwing, I will never know what it is like to come home a chill after a long day because must play ball for the rest of the evening, plus I have a huge dog bed in the living room again. She is a sweetheart and well treated but, I didn't want another dog......and here I am. So....yeah OP, I get it.♥ 1source record 2455
I never had a dog growing up but always wanted one but when I was 15 I dogsat a 1 year old puggle for a week and gained a whole new appreciation for my cats lol never wanted a dog since. Love them to bits but I don't think I'm built for dog life lol♥ 1source record 2503
It's ok not wanting a dog, unless you abandon it. People should babysit dogs for a while before owning one, then they will know what to expect. Tip: dogs can be trained, with routine, so they don't poop/pee everywhere.♥ 1source record 2512
The only dogs I ever liked were the ones my parents took care of and paid for, and the ones I get to say goodbye to after visiting their owners lol. I fucking hate being responsible for a dog (or any pet for that matter). Even dog sitting fucking sucks. Dogs are very sweet and cute in those moments where you're in the mood but all they do, really, is weigh you down. You can't go away whenever you want because the dog needs someone to take care of it. Your schedule is locked down because the dog needs to be fed and watered and walked at fixed intervals. And worst of all is that when you are somehow involved with a dog, you also seemingly have to manage the delicate sensibilities of everyone around you who has an opinion on dog-care. You can't make 'em sleep outside, because that offends the MIL. You can't keep them on a leash for the whole walk because that hurts the idiot neighbour's feelings. You can't feed them cold food because your SIL thinks they prefer it warmed. You can't chase them off when they annoy you, because that upsets the household. You can't discipline them when they're naughty, because your wife thinks "their just a poor little animal!".♥ 1source record 2513
I absolutely love living with a Roomate that has pets. They move freely through our home. It’s all the fun none of the responsibilities. I love animals but I’ll never have a pet.♥ 1source record 2633
Dogs, pools, boats....better when they're owned by somebody else♥ 2source record 2638
I loved the two dogs we've had but by God is it freeing to not have one. It's much better to just borrow my neighbours dog when I feel like taking a walk or they need help.♥ 1source record 2687
Yup I agree,dogs are neeeedy.I love dogs but only when they are other people's dogs.♥ 1source record 2753
Love dogs as long as I'm not taking care of them. I've dog sat for a few friends or family before and I cannot take the insane energy. Little dogs are better cuz they can't body slam you at least♥ 1source record 2763
Yeah not just dogs pets in general suck, they are kinda cute as long as I don’t own them or have to deal with them 😭♥ 1source record 2892
We thought about getting a dog, but neither of use ever owned one. So, we signed up to foster a dog. I was so excited! We got the sweetest dog and I hated every second of the dog being there. It threw me back into the PPD zone immediately. I had to call the rescue after 24 hours and say we couldn’t do it anymore. We have a kid too and they were not into it letter. But now we know! And that dog got adopted a couple weeks later by a family that will love her so much!♥ 1source record 2932
Might be unpopular but I share the same sentiment. However, I LOVE other people's dogs.♥ 1source record 2968
I sympathize, and I’m glad you’re venting anonymously rather than demanding your wife get rid of the dog or trying to give the dog away. Both those things happen *way* too often, and are why I tell as many people as possible to foster first, or start with cats! Have you talked to a vet about the pooping trouble? If the dog is young enough to want to join in on human playtime, she shouldn’t be having trouble. The vet should be able to suggest a food change that makes your life much easier. (You also can train a dog to go in certain places or at certain times. Carry training treats, and where she goes where you want say “good potty” and give her a treat.) Also sounds like the pup needs some more training. I’ve had good results training our dogs with [these methods]([link removed] “[Leave it]([link removed] especially, is a game-changer because it teaches dogs self-control. It’s something you can do sitting down with the dog (important for me b/c I’m mostly blind), so your son might be able to take part. That might reinforce that he’s a person, not a toy.♥ 1source record 3035
I pet sit as a side gig for my extended network and I'm honestly shocked at what people with dogs expect from a deeply discounted assist who is contorting themselves already in order to stay in their house. Not only do I need to bring an entire household's worth of food cuz I'm not going to eat theirs, but they expect the dog to be walked half an hour before work and at least an hour after, and ideally for 20 minutes during lunch time. Girl, I don't work remotely!!!! You're asking for two hours of walking a day for like $50???♥ 1source record 3052
I have to agree, I love dogs at other people’s houses, I love dogs that say hello in the park when I go for a walk, I love pictures of dogs, I’m happy to hear about other people’s dog. But I dont want a dog.♥ 1source record 3059
I loved having a dog growing up, it was so fun and amazing.....and then as an adult I lived with a dog for the first time.....it is the worst lmao. Never got my own but now my roomies have 2, I love them to pieces but I also don't have to do anything but love them haha!♥ 1source record 3089
An aunt babysat my kids for a few hours for two days. They have a new boxer puppy. At the end, I asked them if spending time with the puppy made them want one. They all said "NO! Too much work! She's never calm!" The puppy completely wore all three kids out😂♥ 1source record 3096
I love visiting friends and relatives that have dogs. Dogs are the best. I will happily ignore everyone at a party to play with the dog instead. At home I have a cat.♥ 1source record 3147
I would highly recommend fostering before owning. It's a little bit like a test run, and if the dog doesn't fit in with your lifestyle, you can return it and literally get another one to try out. I know that's not necessarily the point of fostering, but it's still a beneficial act for all parties. Plus, you can wind up getting a dog that fits like I did. She's not clingy, has the perfect energy level, is quiet in my apt, and isn't expensive. Think of it a little like dating. Why would you commit to a long-term mate at a moment's notice? Take a little time with them before permanently keeping them in your life.♥ 1source record 3172
Other people's pets are the best pets.♥ 1source record 3185
I get this 110%. We had dogs growing up, but I was never responsible for them. I love having friends with dogs. Dogs are cute and fun to be around, but I like that I get to leave them. Now, I do love having a cat, but I think they are vastly different animals.♥ 1source record 3288
im so glad i tried out a dog for a week by helping take care of my friends dog. after a week i got sick of it, fetching is nothing crazy its cool for maybe 10 minutes. this was the same for me and my brother at the time.♥ 1source record 3290
Best dogs are the ones you don’t have to take home with you.♥ 1source record 3318
I had a dog when I was growing up, but stuck to cats all of my adult life. Dogs are great but they can be a lot, so I'm very content to hang out with my friends' dogs. We are having a very miserable, hot summer this year and I don't envy the dog owners that have to be out in it.♥ 1source record 3329
This is so real. I used to pet sit when I was in college, and while I love dogs... I will never own one. I've met so many dog "supremists" who turn their nose up when I say I have two cats. They say "I could never have an animal that shits in a box inside my house." Okay, and I could never have an animal that drops C4 bombs in the yard, have to go on walks, rain or shine... Don't even get me started on winter storms. It's just a preference. Plus, my cats are very loving but tend to do their own thing. We play and cuddle but they're mostly independent. Every dog I've interacted with is like velco and very overstimulating.♥ 1source record 3351
I like to pet other peoples dog. For all other pet ownership purposes I have a cat♥ 1source record 3416
I'm more of a cat person but I dog-sat for a friend for about 5 days a few weeks ago. Exhausting experience. Having to take the dog 3-4 times a day out for walks so she can shit and not get bored... Also, the clinginess. Cats are so much better. Would not agree to own a dog myself.♥ 1source record 3477
Just look after someone else's dog for a week or two before you get your own, we looked after an older dog for a week and it wasn't hard at all, just feed him, take him for walks and pick up the poop.♥ 1source record 3495
I believe the best way to have a pet in the house is when it’s 100% someone else’s responsibility. Ideally not a partner because responsibilities often become shared in a relationship. My roommate has a cat. I get to pet and play with her with none of the effort it takes to keeping a living creature alive. Sometimes I have to feed her but that’s usually the extent of it. All the benefit, none of the work or financial responsibility. It does help that this cat is strangely well behaved and doesn’t cause much mayhem.♥ 1source record 3549
That’s why I just rent dogs.♥ 1source record 3570
What’s funny with me and dogs is that I like dogs that I know personally. Like dogs my aunt owned. They were pretty chill. Saw em once a month. Cool. You know like how you may like people personally? That’s me and dogs. I met a few cool dogs in my life. Most I could do without. I am maximally indifferent to dogs anywhere else. Like I see people freak out around dogs and want to run up and hug it and scream and cry like they never seen a dog before. I’m so awkward because I always have to fake like I care that a dog is around. “Oh hey buddy” like I give a shit. It’s even worse if I go to someone’s house and they have a dog and it won’t leave you the fuck alone and the owner is like “don’t worry he’ll stop soon” or the dreaded “don’t worry it won’t bite”. Owning a dog? In this economy? Never.♥ 1source record 3608
I once took care of my sister's dog for two weeks while she was away. It was exhausting: he's so damn clingy. After that experience I adopted a cat. No regrets! I know I'm not missing out♥ 1source record 3611
I love my sisters dog, thats my sweet potato girl! But LORD do I love telling her to go to her mother, the fact I can get puppy kisses and then give her back is AMAZING.♥ 1source record 3622
A friend got a dog and I sat it one night while they were putting the kid to bed, that took a good 30 minutes. That's all the time I needed to understand that I am not a dog person. The puppy was cute as hell but the constant biting and gnawing on things, gnawing on me, trying to shit on the carpet several times while refusing to shit outside. I have a daughter who's 11 now, a real princess. The work you have to put in with a dog is seemingly the same as a baby, so if you can't imagine taking care of a baby who's never mentally getting older than a toddler, a dog is not for you. This is something I have learned in my late 30s. I have a 10-year-old cat who's just the best of both worlds. Affectionate and independent at the same time so I can leave the house one day and come back the next without any problems, and she won't rip the house to shreds or eat my cables and what not. Dogs are fine creatures when they grow up but you still need a lot of time for them, and you can never leave them behind.♥ 1source record 3679
My one-liner for decades has been: I love other people's dogs!♥ 1source record 3698
I’ve watched friends be practically held captive by this dog’s whims—I’ll forever be a cat person and have taught my kids dogs are too much responsibility so they don’t ask about getting one. Luckily they love the cat.♥ 1source record 3719
I like dogs from afar. I’m a cool dog aunt. But I love my home being clean, and dogs are generally kind of gross lol. I am weird about outside germs, so I know I’d tweak if I had a dog. Which is why I just love on other peoples’ dogs instead!♥ 1source record 3752
Thanks for sharing your experience... My 2 teen daughters asked us for a dog for some time and we were about to adopt one. My mother-in-law (retired) needed someone to mind her dog for 2 weeks while she was travelling, we though it would be a good test... The dog is not too high, a long-type with short paws - a kind of black sea lion.. a male pretty sweet, we were confident things would turn smoothly... but no. As lots of you mentioned, having to go out x times a day and wait until the dog poops is nothing but fun. The dog was used to be with someone 24/7 next to him and we saw on the in-house monitor he was crazy all day while we were at work. He kept barking all day - we had to apologize to our neighbours. The dog kept on climbing on our white couch, we tried to cover it and put chairs to avoid him from climbing, but nothing worked. We regularly found poop in the rooms when we forgot to close doors... Once my daughter came back from school and found he stupidly locked himself in the toilets - a tiny cabinet without windows. Of course he panicked and couldn't drink while he was there. We were all so afraid something bad could have happened to him. The toilets' paint was all scratched, there was dog hair spattered everywhere on the walls, the ceiling... We decided not to have a dog. It might be nice when you can spend time with him bit a dog alone all day will feel very sad.♥ 1source record 3977
I love dogs sooooo much and I want everyone else to get dogs so I can have dogs in my life and I 100% do not want my own dogs. I minded a dog for someone recently and between the walks, the poop bags, the feeding, the entertaining - it's such a chore, it takes over your life.♥ 1source record 4007
Yeah, I was a dog person in theory, also having never grown up with one. When I got married, my husband’s cat came along to stay with us, and she is fairly anti social and hissed at me a lot in the early days. Last week, we dog sat for the in laws, and between the German Shepard and the Silver Lab, we never had a minute of peace. Instantly cured of wanting a dog, I am team cat all the way now. Will never complain about my husband’s cat’s behavior again♥ 1source record 4055
That's why I started my Rover account. We love dogs so much, but we don't want to commit to owning one. Now, we get to experience what it's like to have a dog, and every single time we are so happy this isn't long-term haha We are content with our cats that require less attention and are more independent compared to dogs. The play, feeding, and litter box cleaning time can't compare to how much time you need to spend on dogs on a daily basis. Nonetheless, I love all dogs haha♥ 1source record 4065
I love dogs as long as they're not my own. Never again♥ 1source record 4133
I adore other people's dogs. Every so often I think how great it would be to have one, then I go on adoption sites, dream a little, and at some point realize I'm better off admiring from afar. Thank you OP for being real.♥ 0source record 4173
Love dogs. Other people's dogs.♥ 1source record 4180
Hard agree. I tell people I love dogs.. for other people. Not for me. I love them and then give them back.♥ 1source record 4193
Despite the responsibility, I love the process of HAVING an animal. But I don’t think I’ll ever adopt/own an animal again. Fostering only. The worst thing they do is the dying. It’s kind of disrespectful, really. I spent so much time caring for you and getting attached and you’re just gonna die? It’s much better when I foster them and they go on to their homes and I get to pretend they live happily ever after forever and maybe from time to time remember that crazy lady who fed them medicine and steak♥ 1source record 4209
I love other peoples' dogs.♥ 1source record 4211
Alternatively before buying a dog maybe go foster one or even a few. Great way to see what a breed is like before committing and you can always foster fail if you find the right fit♥ 1source record 4217
I LOVE DOGS! but I never want to own one lol♥ 1source record 4221
I live dogs... to visit .. not own! It's exhausting!♥ 1source record 4225
This was me. I never got to have a dog growing up. Had all kinds of other pets, but my dad didn’t like dogs. When he passed, my mum tried to cheer me up by getting me a dog. I loved that dog, but it was exhausting. When it comes to dogs, I think of myself like a childless uncle. I love them and spoil them, but I’m happy they go home with someone else.♥ 1source record 4296
Other people’s pets are great. Get to pet and play with them and then leave. The vet, food, boarding bills are ridiculous. They destroy your property. Smell up the house. Leave fur everywhere. One day the stupid thing will die and break your heart.♥ 1source record 4363
Dude I get it! I've worked in animal care for a decade. I don't have a dog and won't until I'm ready. I might not ever be. I get to take care of everyone else's and that's more than enough for me :)♥ 1source record 4393
Being a dog uncle/aunt is the sweet spot. You get all the cute tail wags, but the moment its time to clean up muddy paw prints or hunt for hidden landmines in the yard, you get to hand them back! I own cats and they might act like arrogant landlords, but at least they quietly use a box and dont require 24/7 high energy supervision♥ 1source record 4417
The best dog is someone else's dog I get to hang out with for a little bit.♥ 1source record 4468
My dog passed, then my brother got a dog. It’s way better being a dog uncle than a dog owner.♥ 1source record 4577
My friend is on a business trip for seven days and her ex isn’t around to watch their dog. So I’m watching him. He’s a good dog but my life is turned around!♥ 1source record 4709
Yup, I do like dogs. I've grown up with dogs in the house since I was a kid. I love playing with my brother's catahoula or my other brother's German husky mix, and taking them on walks when we're hangin' out. That being said, I don't ever want one of my own. They get annoying AF after a while 😂.♥ 1source record 4713
Dog sitting a puppy right now. Every morning so far I wake up to find it covered in shit. Have to spend the first part of my day bathing it and cleaning up the mess. This thing poops like seven times a day and pees twice as much. She chews anything she can get in her mouth. She won't stop licking me. She's adorable but also a great reminder that I do not want a dog of my own.♥ 1source record 4722
I love dogs. I will always stop and cuddle a dog when an owner ok's it. I make cute faces and gurgle silly noises at them. I do NOT enjoy living with dogs.♥ 1source record 4857
I mean to each their own, whatever floats your boat! The point is, leave the busy work to the parents and have fun when you want. Then go home to peace ☺️♥ 3source record 5091
Lol dude, same. I’ve always said I’m a dog guy but I’d prefer it not be *my* dog, I just want the fun part. We have cats and they’re a lot less work♥ 1source record 5249
I'm with you there. Love dogs, love other peoples dogs more specifically, would never have one of my own. They are just too much on the daily♥ 1source record 5255
This thread never ends! Lol! I had a Sheltie for thirteen years. Best dog ever. That was fourteen years ago she passed. Haven’t had a dog since. My kids have dogs, I occasionally go dog sit for. I’m always glad to go home..to no dog.♥ 1source record 5327
I love dogs. I’m a pet sitter. I would never own one.♥ 0source record 5343

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Why readers chose it: 45 records offering something concrete rather than advice. The yard fixes are the most repeated: a fenced or gravelled toilet run, artificial turf, a long line, a mat laid over a patch of grass before snow, and a long-handled jaw-type scoop so nobody has to bend. The walk fixes are a waist-worn bungee jogging leash that one mastiff owner says instantly ended pulling, a muzzle for a dog that eats things off the ground, and keeping a dedicated pair of rubber boots by the back door. Two are about visibility rather than effort: pumpkin turning stools bright orange so they can be found in grass, and a treadmill for zoomies. The rest are deterrents people started carrying after an off-leash incident — a collapsible baton, pepper gel, bear spray, and a can of compressed air a trainer supplied.

What readers reported: I know there are a lot of downsides, but when you lose them you forget all the annoying parts of keeping them. For the yard cleanup I do have some advice, I also had a walk and pooper. Firstly diet additions like a scoop of puréed pumpkin helped immensely, not only from a digestive standpoint but the poops were now bright orange, much easier to see in the yard. I kept a pair of rubber boots at the back door for poo patrol, easy to hose off and I don't care about them. I also kept a shovel and a bag ready in an inconspicuous spot, it's much easier to step into the boots and scoop in under 3 minutes than find the trail later.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I hate it so much. My husband and I carry pepper gel in the bag we take to walk the dog. I would do anything to prevent my dog from getting attacked. We have a baby now and we either all take a walk or only the dog goes. I don’t think I could keep everyone safe if I had both out on my own. My dog is also extremely leash reactive, but it’s barrier frustration. He just wants to greet the other dog. We’ve worked on it a lot with a behaviorist, but people don’t realize how dangerous it is to let their dog off leash. My dog will sometimes redirect his frustration back at the person holding his leash if he can’t get to the other dog and they get too close. He’s never broken skin, but he’s bitten me and my husband in these situations. He’s a good dog and we do our best to give him space. We walk him in open areas, we avoid crowds, we walk at off times, we have strategies. I have yelled at people to leash their dog all over (trails, parks, in the neighborhood). I know I sound annoying, but I’m just trying to protect my dog. Gonna suck if their dog gets sprayed for coming at us.

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So not to be weird but like it's not always like that. My dog only poops when I'm walking him on leash, making it really easy to scoop his poop. If you struggle bending down, get a poop scoop. It'll change your life. Dogs are also hardier than you'd think. I worked vet med for years and we saw dogs with severe issues bounce back with no problem. One of the DVM's dogs once stole an entire plate of brownies and didn't even get diarrhea. We had a decrepit Yorkie who didn't have a bottom jaw but he didn't even notice. We had several dogs with broken legs continue to walk on the broken leg. If you need to, you can crate your dog while you play with your kid. Or put her in a different room or something. Quite honestly it's not that different from having a toddler

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I hate it so much. My husband and I carry pepper gel in the bag we take to walk the dog. I would do anything to prevent my dog from getting attacked. We have a baby now and we either all take a walk or only the dog goes. I don’t think I could keep everyone safe if I had both out on my own. My dog is also extremely leash reactive, but it’s barrier frustration. He just wants to greet the other dog. We’ve worked on it a lot with a behaviorist, but people don’t realize how dangerous it is to let their dog off leash. My dog will sometimes redirect his frustration back at the person holding his leash if he can’t get to the other dog and they get too close. He’s never broken skin, but he’s bitten me and my husband in these situations. He’s a good dog and we do our best to give him space. We walk him in open areas, we avoid crowds, we walk at off times, we have strategies. I have yelled at people to leash their dog all over (trails, parks, in the neighborhood). I know I sound annoying, but I’m just trying to protect my dog. Gonna suck if their dog gets sprayed for coming at us.

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I started carrying a collapsible baton because there were so many off leash pitbulls in my old neighborhood. Once I pulled it out and expanded it was the only time the owners would call their dogs back and it was often the surprise/noise from the baton that scared the dog off. Everyone's right, it's the owners not the dog. I hate pitbull owners.

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I carry Halt. Our neighbor weighs probably 120 and walk a Rottweiler that’s close to his weight. I’ve walked outside multiple times to this dog lunging at me and pulling him 4’ before he regains control. I WILL NOT let my dog be injured by an irresponsible pet owners decisions. I’ll spray the dog AND then if I have to.

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Yeah they are a ton of work. Buy rubber boots for the back yard. Take it on a walk. It helps them chill. The worst is coming. They only live a few years and then drop dead. It sucks out your soul and you just wish the poop was still in the back yard

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I started carrying a collapsible baton because there were so many off leash pitbulls in my old neighborhood. Once I pulled it out and expanded it was the only time the owners would call their dogs back and it was often the surprise/noise from the baton that scared the dog off. Everyone's right, it's the owners not the dog. I hate pitbull owners.♥ 57source record 141
Highly recommend this for anyone who walks a dog. My husband has one that is basically what police carry and I take it to/from our car when I’m out at night just in case (we have wild dogs and other things out here).♥ 9source record 142
My trainer I used to try and correct the reactivity gave me cans of air for future incidents. It’s like a mace type bottle but just shoots air. Haven’t had the occasion to use it yet but have pulled it out a few times.♥ 5source record 143
Pomeranians are the same. Best thing I did for myself when he was still young was teach him how to run on my treadmill. When the zoomies started, on to the treadmill he went.♥ 1source record 826
Slow feeder bowls and canned pumpkin are a game changer♥ 1source record 981
You can also fence off a part of a yard and train the dog to go in there. Pea gravel works wonders.♥ 1source record 983
If you don't have a big dog you need to be able to protect your dog. Bring a baton, dog spray, bring something to handle other people's dogs. My Ridgeback is 32 inches at the shoulder and 115 LBs. An off-leash pit bull tried to get aggressive and learned a quick lesson. My last dog was a 60 LB GSP that was for bird hunting. I always carried something with me to protect him because he would not be able to handle himself. It is your job to protect your dog. If some stranger beat up your 7 year old and you just stood there, he would be scared as well. Your Chihuahua isn't going to trust you in public if you couldn't defend him from some dickheads Rottweiler.♥ 2source record 1063
I hate it so much. My husband and I carry pepper gel in the bag we take to walk the dog. I would do anything to prevent my dog from getting attacked. We have a baby now and we either all take a walk or only the dog goes. I don’t think I could keep everyone safe if I had both out on my own. My dog is also extremely leash reactive, but it’s barrier frustration. He just wants to greet the other dog. We’ve worked on it a lot with a behaviorist, but people don’t realize how dangerous it is to let their dog off leash. My dog will sometimes redirect his frustration back at the person holding his leash if he can’t get to the other dog and they get too close. He’s never broken skin, but he’s bitten me and my husband in these situations. He’s a good dog and we do our best to give him space. We walk him in open areas, we avoid crowds, we walk at off times, we have strategies. I have yelled at people to leash their dog all over (trails, parks, in the neighborhood). I know I sound annoying, but I’m just trying to protect my dog. Gonna suck if their dog gets sprayed for coming at us.♥ 2source record 1072
I also carry pepper gel when I walk my dog in public. She’s extremely reactive to dogs so if one was off leash and approached us without me being able to intervene in some way, they would immediately get in a fight. It sucks. This post is about how much of a responsibility dogs are, but gosh having a reactive dog is so much harder..♥ 2source record 1073
Dude I've kicked off leash dogs that ran at me and my apbts and I'll do it every time. I'm not putting me or my dogs in that situation, I also carry dog spray for strays. Should be a requirement tbh.♥ 1source record 1120
and possibly get mad at you for defending your dog. There was a video like this... idiots off leash dog attacks and rabid brain damaged owner attacks the person dedending his dog responsible dog owners gotta carry bear spray for other dogs and rabid owners. but yes it is exhausting. dont get a dog if you're mental cant handle taking care of it♥ 1source record 1126
I carry Halt. Our neighbor weighs probably 120 and walk a Rottweiler that’s close to his weight. I’ve walked outside multiple times to this dog lunging at me and pulling him 4’ before he regains control. I WILL NOT let my dog be injured by an irresponsible pet owners decisions. I’ll spray the dog AND then if I have to.♥ 1source record 1180
i have a mastiff and a bad back so i got a jogging leash that goes around your waist and has a bungee affect to the leash and instantly my giant puller dog was a perfect angel.♥ 1source record 1723
COVID killed my girl's social skills, subsequent environmental changes caused her to be reactive, and I became disabled during lockdown. Getting a big ol' fenced in back yard for her was a game changer for us both, and she's more active than I've been able to give her in a long time. We're both livin' the dream now. :D It's a complex issue. Personally, I'd recommend walks with your dog every day that the weather permits, no matter the breed. Personally, I can't follow that advice, mostly for safety reasons, but also mobility reasons. I could walk a yappy little terrier no problem, but not my reactive 50 pound shepherd.♥ 1source record 1729
As someone who has a dog (a husky at that, extremely clingy, social, and stubborn), 100% you should be able to go out without your dog. We just put him in his crate and make it nice and dark for him, and as long as we’re back in a reasonable time frame there’s no problem. And there’s dog boarding, daycare, and babysitting services if you ever need to be out the whole day or on trips without a dog. This seems more like your friend doesn’t want to put in the effort to go places without his dog.♥ 10source record 1751
Let me tell you, a fenced in yard is such a game changer. These guys get to go outside and play by themselves OR we throw the ball for them forever. They're loving life. Btw, check out sniffspot if you're looking for a place to take them that's fenced in. It saved us when we lived in an apartment - we still use it too!♥ 1source record 1912
So not to be weird but like it's not always like that. My dog only poops when I'm walking him on leash, making it really easy to scoop his poop. If you struggle bending down, get a poop scoop. It'll change your life. Dogs are also hardier than you'd think. I worked vet med for years and we saw dogs with severe issues bounce back with no problem. One of the DVM's dogs once stole an entire plate of brownies and didn't even get diarrhea. We had a decrepit Yorkie who didn't have a bottom jaw but he didn't even notice. We had several dogs with broken legs continue to walk on the broken leg. If you need to, you can crate your dog while you play with your kid. Or put her in a different room or something. Quite honestly it's not that different from having a toddler♥ 1source record 2417
If you can: make a dog run for your backyard. It helps a ton with the whole poo everywhere thing!♥ 1source record 2501
Is the dog crate trained? My 70 pound lab Bear sometimes has to go in the crate so his 5 pound cavalier king charles spaniel brother can get the zoomies without getting trampled. Also some dogs are smarter than others, I currently have the gamut of too smart, average dog, and real cute but super dumb. They bring more consistent joy to my life than any other single source so the sacrifices are worth it to me.♥ 1source record 2928
I have multiple dogs and have learned a few tricks to make existing with their fluids/solids more tolerable. I only own waterproof shoes and boots. If I need to be wearing formal shoes I keep them in my car and only wear them away from home. Nitrile gloves are a godsend. I buy the big Costco packs. Poop rakes work wonders for getting pooters out of grass. They make dog shampoos that work well with only the water from the bottle, and don’t require rinsing. I buy cheap towels by the dozen and packs of washcloths—paper towels just aren’t made for dealing with dog messes.♥ 1source record 2947
Get you a snuffle blanket for the dog. Hounds love to find stuff... You can hide treats in the folds of the blanket, and 15mins of sniffing out the treats is the equivalent of 1 hour of exercise. And since it likes to eat anything, you can hide some veggies in it too (my rescue was fed human food regularly, so he likes whatever comes out of the fridge: baby carrots, cucumber, etc) Give it to the dog when you and your son are playing, or if it's being clingy (most likely also loving all your smells).♥ 1source record 2967
Years ago some friends of mine got a new puppy and then promptly had to leave town for a week due to a family emergency. So they left the pup with me. Just as a blizzard rolled in. Needless to say putting a pup who wasn't a foot tall yet out into 14 inches of snow for bathroom breaks wasn't going to go well. In an effort to not freeze or just plain lose the pup until Spring, I improvised. I filled a wading pool with wood shavings and just put her in it and let her do her thing. This is where I stumbled backwards into an under-appreciated part of K9 nature. They like to go to the bathroom in the same areas. That's what all the sniffing beforehand is about, locating their scent markers from their prior "leavings". Translation, if there is a dedicated area for bathroom business they will get with the program given enough time. To this day, every dog that couple owns has been taught to use a specific area filled with wood shavings for relieving themselves. The scent of the wood also helps them make the association. Hound breeds are very sweet, but they are also bred for sports and hunting which makes their physical and emotional characteristics a little awkward in a fully domestic setting. They will catch on though, with time and guidance.♥ 1source record 3149
If you hadn’t said you didn’t grow up with dogs, I would’ve been able to guess as much by the end of the post. Try getting some dog puzzles if you haven’t. Dogs need mental stimulation as well as exercise. Walks and fetch in the back yard will help, but they’re not always enough. Especially for breeds like hounds, terriers, and others that are high-energy and need a “job.” Hounds have been used for hunting, historically, so anything that gets them using their nose (for scent hounds especially) will help wear down their energy. They make dog puzzles you can buy, but snuffle mats, or even just keeping her in the kitchen or something while you hide treats in the living room and then letting her go search for them will work. You sound like you have pretty busy lives, but if you grab a bag (we use old Walmart bags, but you can buy designated bags if you want) and go out in the yard with the dog, you can pick up the piles as they happen, and your yard won’t be covered in dog shit. I have a Longhaired Standard Dachshund who has some lasting nerve damage from IVDD so she also has to travel around the yard to be able to get it all out. Going out with her and my parents’ dog (a Miniature Dachshund), which we do anyway in case of predators like hawks, Bobcats, coyotes, owls, etc., keeps the yard so much cleaner than waiting for it to be covered in turds and then trying to find them after the fact. And as a side note, if you weren’t aware, this advice comes from direct experience with hounds, as Dachshunds are scent hounds with high prey drives and a lot of energy.♥ 1source record 3280
Wear rubber boots for picking up poop if youre stepping in it.♥ 1source record 3368
Get a crate aka dog cage. Put dog in the cage♥ 1source record 3458
I definitely only enjoy dogs because of the nostalgia. If I'd not grown up with them, I probably wouldn't like them much. I'd say as an owner of three dogs, there's a lot of tricks and proactive management to preventing a lot of that. Couple tips, if you care and didn't just wanna vent: Baby gates are for the dog too, just as a word of advice. You wanna play chase? Dog goes in another room. Poop everywhere? You could leash your dog on a tie out or let them out in a smaller fenced off area. Dog eats stuff, leave it command and reward. Dog is too clingy? Place command and reward or distraction.♥ 1source record 3471
Designate an old pair of shoes as “poop shoes” which you wear while doing yard work. Leave them outside when done.♥ 1source record 3502
Get a pooper scooper, get tasty hard treats they can chew on for an hour, have a place they can go chill on their own for a bit, and remember it’s ok to be selfish sometimes. And by that I don’t mean any sort of neglect, but every dog owner seems to think you have to be the perfect dog owner 24/7 in spite of your own mental health or u should be in prison♥ 1source record 3572
I was living in a friends apartment for a week to look for the animals while they are on vacation. Their dog is strong, big and has energy. When i would go out with him, i did a long walk with interval sprints, so he gets out all his energy. After that he slept and chilled a lot. That way i did some sport and had a lot of time for myself♥ 1source record 3586
Yeah they are a ton of work. Buy rubber boots for the back yard. Take it on a walk. It helps them chill. The worst is coming. They only live a few years and then drop dead. It sucks out your soul and you just wish the poop was still in the back yard♥ 0source record 3745
Trick for the poop. Get a box of disposable gloves. When you take the dog out just grab the poop with the glove on and flip it inside out. It feels gross but it's better than stepping in shit.♥ 1source record 3806
I got the coolest thing called the PooPail for my dogs' 💩. Game changer! I just pick up 💩 every time I see it. Takes 10 seconds.♥ 1source record 3816
Leave the dog in the house when you're outside playing with the kid. The dog will get over it. Mine want to come outside with me while I'm relaxing and sometimes I just leave them in because I don't want to watch them. They forget they've been slighted in about 3 minutes and go to sleep.♥ 1source record 3881
Found some iron gate posts at Lowe’s once that just stake into the ground, they work great to section off an area for this! Also an outdoor exercise pen works great too, we just got a 36” tall one for sale at PetSmart was originally 90 got it for 50!♥ 1source record 4223
They have mesh doggy face masks to stop dogs from eating stuff off floor when outside btw♥ 1source record 4311
Yeah. Pets are a whole load of hassle. You've really gotta know what you're getting into. Something's that might help: Get a pooper scooper/ grabber. Then you can pick up poop without getting too close to it. If she's running frantically while you're playing with your boy, see about taking her for an extra walk beforehand, tire her out enough she doesn't have the energy to play. (This will probably be a lot of work every time you want to play though) And maybe try train her to lay in a dog bed when you want a little space, I'm not entirely sure how but I imagine it's doable. Dogs very much depend on the breed as well. Some take a lot more effort then others.♥ 1source record 4482
They make a thing called a thunder shirt. It's vest thing that helps with anxiety. I dont remember the brand that I got but it was also slightly weighted. Mine would get anxious if I left the house. So I would put it on him when I left and that seemed to help quite a bit.♥ 1source record 4557
I know there are a lot of downsides, but when you lose them you forget all the annoying parts of keeping them. For the yard cleanup I do have some advice, I also had a walk and pooper. Firstly diet additions like a scoop of puréed pumpkin helped immensely, not only from a digestive standpoint but the poops were now bright orange, much easier to see in the yard. I kept a pair of rubber boots at the back door for poo patrol, easy to hose off and I don't care about them. I also kept a shovel and a bag ready in an inconspicuous spot, it's much easier to step into the boots and scoop in under 3 minutes than find the trail later.♥ 1source record 4626
We just toss the mammal in violation of the chill into a bedroom for a bit so we can play without being acosted.♥ 1source record 4810
I didn't expect you actually giving me some tips. Thank you so much for your time! I will try to convince my brother to get these toys. They have a 'trainer'. Unfortunaly the trainer is the friend who advised them this breed plus the puppy (they got it from a farmer who used the doggy parents as working dogs) and they go to his 'class' every month. He can sit, shake paw and that's about it. I will have him for a day next week. I'm a really big hiking fan but I want to give him some mental challenges as well while I have him.♥ 1source record 4923
Also have a malinois, highly highly recommend the flirt pole. It gasses her and is her absolute most cherished possession.♥ 1source record 4924
This is why my Rottie had a shock collar. Not because I couldn't hold him or because he didn't listen, he was very well behaved. But because in the off chance that he would try to overpower me or someone else it was there just in case. Never had to use it but twice when training him(still was never close to the highest setting), after that the beeping noise it would make would be enough to instantly make him stop doing whatever he was trying to so. But rotties are big and I'm not a small woman but still I never wanted to be the reason that my dog did something and I wasn't able to stop him.♥ 1source record 4990
Learn to groom your dog yourself or just keep em shaved. That's my plan if I ever decide the grooming is too much for me if I get a mini poodle♥ 0source record 5125
Dog door works very well.♥ 1source record 5219
I have two boys who shed constantly. A robot vacuum has done wonders to help keep it under control♥ 1source record 5256

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The other side of the argument1,653 records · 13 sub-topicsThe thread's own rebuttal, kept beside the answers it disputes rather than filed away as a separate topic. 1653 records.
This is the deal, and everyone signed it161 index entriesNot a denial that dogs are hard work. An argument that the work was the known price of the thing.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: This is the deal, and everyone signed it

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This is the deal, and everyone signed it

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Situation: Accepting that the work is real and arguing that it was knowable

Why readers chose it: 161 records that concede the work and dispute the conclusion. The argument is not that dogs are easy: several of the loudest records here are from owners saying dogs are enormous work, that most people should not have one, and that they say so to their friends. What they reject is surprise — that the walks, the waste, the cost and the tie to the house were all knowable before the dog arrived. A professional pet-sitter and a dog trainer both argue it from inside the job. The concession the card makes more than once is the one that matters: that the work being foreseeable does not make it any smaller.

What readers reported: That’s kind of op’s point. Dogs are a lot of work, including (and especially) training them. That’s not easy for many people. So that’s definitely part of what he’s talking about.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I’ve never once stepped on my own dogs shit. Because I pick it up like a responsible dog owner. Even in my own yard. Because I understand my dog needs to go to the bathroom outside and I don’t want to step on it when I go outside. My dog also doesn’t try to eat everything in existence, because it’s trained. And at the end of the day I love when my dog is clingy to me because it makes me feel good and it’s a good dog. Kudos to OP for an unpopular opinion, but in my opinion it’s unpopular because OP is a shitty dog owner and didn’t have the mental maturity to understand what the actual responsibility of owning a dog is.

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Untrained dogs are exhausting. Been reading this thread and there are way too many people making it sound like being needy and destructive is acceptable behavior for a dog.

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Its true. Its why I hate it when people close to me who are in financial distress get a dog on a whim. Then they either end up rehoming or stop caring and letting them die naturally. I dont have a dog because im not financially responsible enough and I effing love dogs

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I’m unfortunately going to have to agree. I love them, but that shit is HARD, man.

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*gets dog* *is confused why dog is being a dog*

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Dogs are a huge responsibility. We are empty nesters and miss having a dog, but we love to travel. I also don’t want the extra cleaning that comes with dog ownership right now. Your post is great because it points out reality. Dogs are a ton of work. They also give you unconditional love and being happiness if you’re willing to do the work.

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Did a dog write this? Dogs are exhausting and I’m sure anyone who isn’t completely on board with them is getting downvoted in this post.

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Change the sentence 6Turn it into a game 6Attach it to an existing routine 5Use movement as the switch 3Create a default 2

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you can have a dog and still travel…. no trophy awarded♥ 5source record 116
Yeah it's insane to me people will lower their quality of life for a dog. The dog should not rule your life, it's supposed to be enhancing.♥ 5source record 117
I love dogs. Never had a dog. But...what did you expect, honestly.♥ 10source record 414
The idea of dogs is great. The reality is far less so.♥ 21source record 465
*gets dog* *is confused why dog is being a dog*♥ 31source record 468
\> Pay attention people and think long and hard before you get a dog Is that the kind of things you can think long and hard in order to know what it's like? Of course, if you are poor as fuck with no free time, then absolutely don't get a dog. But if you make some money, have comfortable savings, and like a dog, can you really just think it through?♥ 2source record 866
Ehm?... if you didnt plan for this when getting a dog? what the fuck are you doing with your life? just running on autopilot? never thinking ahead? just reacting to circumstances and never creating your own? the fuck? It is genuinely baffling to me how someone can invite a living creature into their household and then act shocked when it actually requires time and attention.♥ 5source record 1515
I'm a certified annoying-level dog lover and I agree with OP 110%. Half of my life is my dogs, but I love them and I love caring for them. But it is a lot of work that most people don't realize they are signing up for. "Dog owner" is part of a lifestyle choice.♥ 3source record 1588
Again, not everyone has to like dogs.♥ 8source record 1598
That’s kind of op’s point. Dogs are a lot of work, including (and especially) training them. That’s not easy for many people. So that’s definitely part of what he’s talking about.♥ 21source record 1624
It’s just effort level. Not everyone wants to put in the effort to own a dog. Especially OP, who never wanted the dog in the first place it sounds like. Sounds like you enjoy that effort to take care of a dog, but not everyone does. I don’t think it’s about being responsable.♥ 9source record 1756
some dogs can't be left home alone at all dogs bark dogs need someone to fill their bowls some dogs have separation anxiety not saying that makes them comparable to babies, but they ARE a lot of work♥ 6source record 1770
People surprised that taking care of a living being means being responsible♥ 2source record 1783
Never having these thoughts while owning a dog is more insane to me lol♥ 1source record 1831
I mean, you factor that in when deciding whether to get a dog in the first place.♥ 3source record 1841
I have a dog that I love very much but I tell everyone to not get a dog unless 1. they are happy being home most of the time or 2. they are rich and can afford dog walkers and sitter on a regular basis (plus all other vet bills). It should not be an unpopular opinion, its just sad because there's so many dogs that need homes but not enough people capable of caring for them♥ 3source record 1928
Takeaway: People who don’t want a dog shouldn’t get a dog.♥ 3source record 1956
It's a lot of work people should know♥ 2source record 2006
A dog is a light responsibility compared to other adult responsibilities.♥ 2source record 2007
it is a commitment like nothing else. you have to be a little bit delusional to have a dog. I say this as a 4th generation dog parent♥ 2source record 2046
You can love dogs with all your heart, but if you aren't equipped to care for one, then the best option for everyone involved is to not have one.♥ 2source record 2055
Getting a dog is like having a child - do NOT do it, unless you love them & understand fully the responsibilities of having one! I love all dogs, and whatever my Papillion needs to keep him healthy & happy, he gets. I have nothing but admiration & respect for those who don't decide it's worth the expense & responsibility.♥ 1source record 2100
I have 3 of them. It is a PITA. They bring a ton of joy but yes- it’s a huge responsibility. People don’t realize that they are a lot of work.♥ 2source record 2135
Recognizing that you’re not cut out to be a pet owner puts you ahead of most. I respect that.♥ 2source record 2143
It’s so hard at times and people need to know this! So many people got dogs during the plandemic and have been devastatingly neglected! It’s heartbreaking! Unless you have lots of spare time, prepared to walk at least an hour a day, afford decent quality food and time to spend with your pup, please do not even think about it!! It’s hard work and expensive.♥ 2source record 2172
I have three dogs and I’m a consummate dog person, but I totally appreciate this view. I view it as the same as being married, having friends, or owning a house or car; you put the maintenance work in if you want the benefits. Sounds like the cost/benefits aren’t in your favor.♥ 2source record 2205
100% correct!!! i feel like people romanticize dog ownership so much now days it has influenced so many irresponsible pet owners to adopt or buy dogs. it makes me sad because most dogs need a LOT of TLC that they don't get because people don't often have the time or resources. i have a friend who is such a good dog owner but i could never do what he does in regards to pet care. anytime they go for a walk the dog has to have its paws wiped down and cleaned before reentering the home, there's all sorts or rules, schedules, and routines that can't be interrupted. i have routines with my cats but it's a cat and they sleep for 18 hours a day so my routine with them is super minimal. i truly think daily walks would kill me. i typically go for daily walks but i would hate to be forced to do it multiple times a day and in bad weather. there are days i just want to rot at home and not leave the house.♥ 2source record 2215
Dog licenses should be a thing everywhere. Not only does it force people to be more responsible dog owners. If people have to go through the process of understanding ownership in the process of getting a license, then owners who can't cope with dogs may change their mind before taking on the responsibility.♥ 2source record 2219
I told my wife I felt the exact same way whether it’s dogs, cats or kids. They all take an enormous amount of attention and should be cared for carefully. No way would we get a dog without a clear eyed understanding that the animal takes priority. It didn’t ask for us, but we have a duty to make sure it doesn’t suffer more than normal.♥ 2source record 2228
If by fucking sucks, you mean takes a lot responsibility then yes. I feel this is a popular opinion considering they show this on every sitcom family gets a dog episode♥ 2source record 2235
But that is the point. It sucks to OWN because it's hard to handle it.♥ 3source record 2259
>What animal's shit do you not have to clean up? Those aren't the only two options. This is about having a dog or not. It's not about having a dog vs. having other pets. Some people don't need a pet. Getting a pet is just signing up for labor (which you might enjoy but that doesn't make it not labor) if you have a full life maybe you don't want more things to do. Just like some people love to have a garden and enjoy the fresh vegetables, and some people don't want to do the work which is perfectly ok.♥ 2source record 2269
More like not every person in the world is suited to have a dog. Many people are already too busy trying to take care of themselves before even considering taking care of another living thing.♥ 3source record 2273
Imagine an animal doing things that animals do.♥ 1source record 2285
Most parts of the world dogs are outdoor animals. Here in the west they turned into indoor animals the last 100 yrs or so, will the picking up dog shit.♥ 1source record 2289
Pets are definitely not for everyone. Better to recognise that you would not be a good pet owner and not get one. As much as I love my dogs, there are times where they really do test my patience because they're having a bad day, or I'm having a bad day, or we're both having a bad day. They are still absolutely worth the effort to me, and a big factor to facilitating being able to care for them is understanding *why* they behave the way they do.♥ 2source record 2298
Grew up with dogs my whole life. Raised a dog as a college student until I had to put him down after over a decade. Took a break for 1 year and tried to be friends with neighborhood cat. Realized I am a dog person. Got another puppy, dedicated most of my time and resources and had zero regrets. Raising a dog is a privilege, it should be reserved to those who have the TIME and MONEY.♥ 2source record 2299
Pets are for life. I had everything. Fish. Dogs. Cats. Even had chickens for a few years! Humans are easier to look after! Hahaha! I haven't had any since youth because thd responsibility is insane. Two sides of one coin. I grew up with pets so know how much nurturing and caring they need and cant provide that time as an adult so dont have them. But I had the perspective. You didn't. At least you know. It wasn't ever easy for anyone even though it seems it.♥ 1source record 2424
I don't think people realize that owning a dog is essentially like having a child. It's a huge commitment.♥ 1source record 2430
I've had dogs most of my life. When I was young mostly my family had dogs (and I hated the responsibility). Then I spent about a decade alone - up until my mid 30s - doing whatever a 20-30 year old is supposed to do (party, experiment, study, fail etc). Then I got a dog. The reason was stupid, I got him to impress a girl. However I didn't do it blindly. Knowing what it entailed I entered this relationship (with the dog, not the girl, the girl was not impressed enough) with a full understanding of the responsibility and the challenges. I got a Malamute. I lived in an apartment building, in a 2 bedroom apartment (owned it thank god or probably I would've been kicked out). The puppy shit and pissed everywhere for the first few months (as normal), especially since I was working 9-14 hours a day. I used to "allow" my colleagues (usually women who just wanted to "play with the cute puppy") to go to my apartment walk him during their lunch hour. He howled for hours straight, got constant complaints and even threats. He chewed up stuff - shoes, furniture (he ripped apart 3 couches in 8 months) and finally walls. He rolled in shit and dead things. He hated baths and especially when he got big it was a nightmare to bathe him. He ate weird shit until I trained it out of him. Did I hate having him during that period? Yes, for brief periods. But he also incentivized me to take better control and care of my life. Every day, no matter sun, rain, freezing etc - wake up at 5:30-max 6 AM. 2 hours in the park, training and playing with him, socializing him with other dogs. It didn't matter if I was sick, hungover, didn't feel like it, or just got back from the club the dog came first. Got home from 9-14 hours at work? Dog gets walked and played with another 2-4 hours in the park. Dog woke me up at 2 AM begging? Go out in pajamas and walk him until he did whatever he needed to do. It changed my life completely. I became more disciplined, organized, stricter with myself. Healthier too, by far. I ended up socializing with all the other dog walkers and have made a lot of friends and acquaintances like that. Met my wife like that (we now have 2 big dogs). My dog has been my best friend for the past 15 years. He is old now, slow, suffering various health issues. He will probably pass away in 1-2 years. My "duty" is now to make sure he is as comfortable and happy as possible in his physically reduced state. Yes it takes work and there are minor inconveniences. But I wouldn't change anything and my life would've been a lot poorer without him.♥ 1source record 2435
i mean yeah it’s like owning a child you are bound to them for life and will have to take care about them for life it’s a HUGE responsibility and you will have to make some sacrifices♥ 1source record 2443
I will never understand people that get a pet and then are surprised at the amount of work and responsibility. It's a living creature that requires care. Yes, you have to pick up it's poop. Yes, they have illnesses and issues, just like people. Yes, they need attention and exercise. I know what sub I'm in but I do not understand how there is a disconnect between "pets are a lot of responsibility" and actually understanding that the responsibility isn't just a word - it's a long list of things to need to do and worry about. The same people will have kids and be flabbergasted that it's work.♥ 1source record 2450
I guess it depends on the context of your life / country / city / mentality / expectations / lifestyle / etc, you are describing the negatives for a very specific dog behaving in very specific ways in a very specific family and household circumstances, it's not generic in any way. if I understand correctly you are describing basically an intruder in your lifestyle that forced you to make unwanted changes and adjust to it, so there's no surprise there that you dislike this.♥ 1source record 2458
It isn’t for everyone 🤷🏻‍♀️ and there’s no shame in admitting that♥ 1source record 2550
I love dogs, but yeah, they are a ton of work. I’ve never understood people who just get a dog on a whim. Cats are generally a lot easier, but the responsibility still shouldn’t be underestimated.♥ 1source record 2575
Having a dog involves a lot of time, attention and some effort especially when they re a pup. So your adult dog is chill and educated. So no owning a dog does not suck, it just means that you have to litterally change your life and adapt so you can live with a healthy dog (mentally and physically). And its true most people don't want to let so much space in their life for their dog so it turns out a nightmare. But when you want to understand them, and make yourself understood, when you try to communicate and it works, its just the most amazing relationship imo. I have a 9yo lady and just got a second one, 3months old pup. And we're happy as fuck :)♥ 1source record 2579
It’s best to come to this conclusion before you get a dog lol♥ 2source record 2642
So, I just bought a boat. Turns out that's pretty polarizing, too. You get the "bust out another thousand" and "two best days of boat ownership are the day you buy it and the day you sell it" and "it's better to have a friend with a boat" comments from every direction... But why don't people have the same reaction about getting a dog? It can be more work and practically a monthly car payment to keep alive? On the other hand, similar to boats, if you educate yourself and have a little discipline, it keeps the surprises to a minimum. Regardless, I think it should be more acceptable to call out all the negatives to dog ownership to someone's face like we think it's ok to do for boats. Might help prevent bad dog parents. Weird analogy, I know 🙃♥ 2source record 2650
Yeah it’s so much responsibility and if you don’t keep it up your shouldn’t get the dog♥ 2source record 2653
as a life long dog owner and lover I really wish more people would realize how serious the responsibility angle is and how expensive they can be before they got a dog. OP's only complaining about 1/1000th of it. it's really disheartening to see how many people don't care for their dogs with the level of care that they should. **for some perspective to those considering getting a dog** \- 80-90% of my time every day, including getting up in the middle of the night *every night* to check on them, has been spent caring for two elderly dogs over the past 10 years. every single plan we make to do things also involves the dogs. there is no 'free' time, ever. our life is built around them. also, we've easily spent **$80k** on vet bills over those years. if you can't handle the above **AND be 1000% thrilled to be doing it** you should reconsider getting a dog.♥ 1source record 2697
Alot of folks my age started getting dogs out of loneliness and honestly, it didn't help because now all of their time was spent away from people caring for the hound. However, if you are looking for a great companion that demands a lot of your time and attention, then get a dog. If you don't have that time, or you do a lot of non-dog activities ... Maybe reconsider. Most dogs also do well when they have a job like alarm, herding, protection, and what not. Historically they served a purpose in the pack and if they don't have a purpose, then that when the energy misplacement causes friction. If your partner is staying at home then it makes for good company if properly trained. Now cats are way easier after potty training is adjusted. They do well in the home and rest a lot most of the day and also make great companions. I'd recommend a cat for anyone to start. Dogs can get out of hand quick of you aren't ready to raise it right♥ 2source record 2728
Owning a dog is awesome but you absolutely have to put in the work and the expense♥ 1source record 2748
any pet is a big resposibilities, learned it by owning hamster♥ 1source record 2752
In this life you get what you put into it. Theres 25% work&$ to get 150% of dog love. Or you can sit in a dark room and watch TV. Whatever floats your boat.♥ 1source record 2761
I’m a dog person, have been since I was born. I have made an entire life and career around dogs. And I will say, IT IS a Fu€k ton of WORK and responsibility! And money.♥ 1source record 2795
owning a dog is NOT for the weak you have that right lol. had rescue dogs growing up my whole life! my parents thought it would teach us discipline. yeah... i adooooore animals but i learned real quick the commitment it takes to have a pet.♥ 1source record 2810
All my friends with dogs told me how great it was before I got one. Then I got one and they told me how terrible the first few years are. I was so mad. It really does get better though. I am a cat person with a dog.♥ 1source record 2829
One of my completely unrealistic ideals for society would be to make dog ownership a LOT harder to achieve. Like having to meet certain conditions/requirements before adoption, or having to study for a license, or something... It won't ever happen but it would eliminate a lot of problems for the dogs and the owners. Unprepared owners who will neglect the dog's social and exercise needs will be cut waaay down, which will in turn create less socially stunted, untrained, aggressive dogs, which will make society in general a lot safer. No more worrying about whether the off leash dog in the neighbor's yard is aggressive. No more hoarder situations. It just makes sense to me to make dog ownership a huge privilege that you must earn.♥ 1source record 2834
Y'all redditors here are weird. I truly don't mind the responsibility of having a dog personally. If you do, there is no rule that you should have a dog.♥ 1source record 2850
People got pets during the pandemic and I always cringed. You’re doing it now cause you have free time. That animal will outlive the pandemic. What then?♥ 1source record 2865
I agree. I love my puppy. He's 5mo. I did my research. I had dogs growing up. It's completely different when you're the one taking care of them.♥ 1source record 2874
I think a good dog person will argue that it IS a lot of work, and a lot of responsibility, but that its more than worth it.♥ 1source record 2919
Dogs are are PITA for sure. You have to train all their natural behaviors out of them to make them tolerable.♥ 1source record 2944
The hill I will die on is that people just should not have dogs or cats or whatever in their house/appartment, and that is coming from someone who in the past had 5 cats and helped out people by taking care of their dogs, rabbits etc.♥ 1source record 2988
Always having dogs I always thought I liked having dogs until I spent a lot of time NOT having a dog. The amount of effort they take is kind've wild actually. If Stockholm Syndrome was real I'd say that's what most people actually have with dogs.♥ 1source record 2991
It’s basically like having a small child, tbh. If you’re this unhappy being a dog owner, DON’T GET ANOTHER DOG!! I have friends who constantly complain but yet get another dog when one’s gone. 🤦🏼‍♀️♥ 1source record 3112
Some people can't handle it. For others, they bring so much joy. People are different.♥ 1source record 3127
Yeah that is what having a dog is♥ 1source record 3181
I petsit full time as my job. I’m literally ALWAYS with at least one dog and I love them so much! I have a VERY short list of breeds I would be open to having as my own and I will make training the main thing I’m focusing on in my *life* when I do get one, because the wrong breed and/or lack of training can majorly impact your quality of life. Having a dog is no joke and in my opinion, most people shouldn’t have one 🤷🏻‍♀️ good on you for knowing you wouldn’t want to have a dog on your own—I wish more people were that self aware♥ 1source record 3191
My dog was dropped off when he was around 6 months old in my very rural area. I had grown up with dogs, and I love dogs, but I was not in a place where I felt I could care for a dog. I didn't even have enough money to feed myself consistently at the time, let alone a dog too. I posted his picture everywhere, sent it out to animal accounts and shelters near me to post as well to find the owner. Obviously, owner never came forward. That dog became my reason to live after a very short time. Obviously a ton of responsibility, and my big guy weighs around 120 pounds (not overweight he's just massive) so trust me I get it. Had him completely on my own for the first 3-4 years I had him, now my fiance and I share in those responsibilities. To me, it's more than worth it. I can't imagine my life any other way.♥ 1source record 3195
The funny thing is, I’m a dog owner/lover who plans to have them for as long as I’m capable, but I completely 100% understand where you are coming from. They are massive investments, in every possible way. This should be a lesson for everybody to 100% make sure you want to own a dog before getting one, this includes thinking about 10+ years down the line when they are “hopefully” still with you. While I’m here I’ll vent about my current dog related frustration: my 5 year old Sheltie/Lab mix will not use the bathroom on a leash (has always had a fenced in yard), and is not a fan of other dogs (not outright aggressive, just minds her own business but does not like being approached). I’m currently looking to relocate for work and will need to move into an apartment, which isn’t great considering her “quirks”. I basically need a place that has a fenced in dog area in premises, but then also need to luck into getting her some alone time 2-3x a day in there♥ 1source record 3218
some of these behaviors are dog specific, but yeah generally you're still correct. it's a lot of fkn work and not something to be taken lightly. i personally really enjoy the responsibility but it's not for everyone♥ 1source record 3363
How nice that we all have different opinions lol :) I absolutely love having a dog, enjoying her company every single day is what keeps me going, including walks and picking up her poop. All other issues can be worked on, if they bother you. But yea, ofc, owning a dog isn’t for everyone! :) Dogs are basically children stuck in time. They are less work than that, but not that much less, they are a lot, and a big responsibility.♥ 1source record 3401
I strongly believe way too many people own dogs. Not everyone needs a dog! Most people are not dog people. And that's okay!♥ 1source record 3402
I think there are probably three groups of people when it comes to dogs: people who don’t particularly like dogs, people who like the *idea* of having a dog, and people who genuinely love the reality of living with one. I'm in the last group and have 5 dogs (live rural). And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being in any of those groups. They need your time, attention, patience, money and care even on the days when you’re exhausted, they very well won't be. Sometimes people get a dog because they want companionship, or because they think it will be wonderful for their children to grow up with one and then discover reality. I do think it’s worth being honest with yourself, though. If you’ve reached the point where you feel trapped by your dog, constantly stressed by them, or resentful about the things you have to give up because of them, dogs are incredibly perceptive and can pick up on our emotions, and based on your post, your dog is picking it up. My own brother is actually a good example. He genuinely thought he was a dog person because we'd grown up with dogs. But after a year of having one, he realized that the reality of having a dog was just too much with a small kid. Travelling became difficult for them too. He made the difficult decision to let us take her (we already have 4 dogs so just made it 5). She now has an absolutely magic life with us, and my brother and his family are happier he felt quite guilty handing her over, nobody was the villain. Sometimes you can love an animal and still know that you're not the person who can give them the life they deserve.♥ 1source record 3473
Some people just aren't dog people, and thats OK. Don't get a dog. For dog people, the benefit of having a dog outweighs all the negative aspects you mentioned.♥ 1source record 3494
As someone that’s had dogs growing up my whole life. They are a ton of work. They have personalities too. They need a ton of training and effort. But at least for me, it’s been worth it. Picking up dog poo and all.♥ 1source record 3543
If you aren’t willing to sacrifice and change your lifestyle, please do not get a dog. They are not for everyone. I wouldn’t trade the companionship, shithead deterrent, and overall joy for anything. My dogs are part of the family.♥ 1source record 3575
The reality is some see animals (even kids) as cute accessories or toys and leap into with no foreknowledge of what it takes to be a good caregiver. It’s hard and there is alot of personal inconvenience, sacrifice and LOTS of sleepless nights to get it right.♥ 2source record 3577
This opinion is only "unpopular" in the US. I've lived in 3 countries. It's only in the US where some people act like not having dogs or being indifferent to them is weird. I don't "hate" dogs. I just don't see the need to own them. I don't think they should be made the center of civilization.♥ 2source record 3580
Owning a dog is fucking awesome. People just dont do their due diligence to understand it's essentially caring for a child for ~15 years if you're lucky that you also have to learn to manage appropriately. Kinda sounds like your real problems are.. easily trainable.♥ 1source record 3615
Great share! You are so right . If only people realized this before owning a dog or two or three….. for years and years they will have them and those responsibilities.♥ 1source record 3619
Yes, it's very much like having children. Don't do it unless you're ready for many years of responsibility and commitment. It certainly helps to have others in the house being part of the responsibility chain.♥ 1source record 3668
Nice unpopular opinion. I disagree personally, but this is why it’s always important to know what you’re getting into before you buy/own a pet♥ 1source record 3670
Yup. It ain’t easy. First time ownership is a big wake up call. Poop pickup is a daily thing for me because it’s just not manageable otherwise. They do chill out as they age typically but yeah man. Major lifestyle change. IMO rewarding as hell tho. But I hear ya♥ 1source record 3690
I’m unfortunately going to have to agree. I love them, but that shit is HARD, man.♥ 1source record 3704
Dont get a dog if you dont have the time and energy and money to put into it.♥ 1source record 3717
Dogs are awesome. Takes some work tho♥ 1source record 3718
Owning a dog isn’t for everyone, and I’m glad people can be honest with themselves on the matter. Being a bad pet owner helps no one. But personally, until I am no longer capable, I will always want to be a dog owner. They bring so much joy to our day to day lives and the things required to maintain their care seem minuscule in comparison. But also I am: 1. A natural care giver all around 2. Grew up with large breed dogs so I am familiar with proper training, behavior, and animal care 3. An all around animal lover People find joy and meaning from different aspects of their lives which is understandable. Caring for my animals will always be one of those things for me though.♥ 1source record 3813
Dogs are a huge responsibility. We are empty nesters and miss having a dog, but we love to travel. I also don’t want the extra cleaning that comes with dog ownership right now. Your post is great because it points out reality. Dogs are a ton of work. They also give you unconditional love and being happiness if you’re willing to do the work.♥ 1source record 3832
Living creatures take work, a lot of work♥ 1source record 3837
Like having children, too many people get dogs without thinking through the life changes required♥ 1source record 3843
People not thinking decisions through properly before following through on them are the problem here.♥ 1source record 3853
THANK YOU!!! I have nothing against dogs. I really don't. It would be insane for anyone to feel any particular way about an animal. But it baffles me how they're the standard pet, when they're arguably the one that requires the most effort to keep. I'd say out of every dog owner, only about 1 every 10 does everything they need to do to make sure their dog is happy, healthy and isn't a burden on the rest of society. The rest have unclean, unhappy, unhealthy, untrained, badly behaved dogs. This isn't to shame you, OP. Getting a dog is ridiculously easy and enticing to most people, because they're fun to have around, they're great for companionship and it's easy to find food for them, collars, beds, etc. But, like every living being that coexists with a person, including other people, they require EFFORT. A lot of effort. More than most other pets, including "exotics" like tarantulas or snakes. I hope for the days dogs are only adopted by people who REALLY know what they're getting into and are fully prepared and willing to compromise parts of their lives for the wellbeing of their dog.♥ 1source record 3856
So i think the real thing is Responsibility is work, and for the most part all work sucks... Not only that like you, mostpeople under estimate how much work dog ownership actually is... I love my dogs, but the number of people I know in my life who I have completely lost respect for after they gave up pets because they didn't understand that its an endless amount of work, which is why people compare them to babies... but also its an endless amount of joy which is why its worthwhile for people who don't mind the work.♥ 1source record 3871
There’s absolutely zero sound reason for the average person in 2026 to own any kind of pet unless it’s livestock and they live on a homestead or sth. Seriously. Pets- especially for modern life city dwellers- are overrated. (I love my cat but I’d never get another one unless I live on a farm)♥ 1source record 3877
Ah these days after being a long time dog owner there is just more interesting stuff to be doing, should be more controls around breeding/owning/neutering to discourage it abd forcing people to really really commit to it♥ 1source record 3901
Just pets in general really. You have to give up a lot of your life to care for pets. This is why people compare it to having a child.♥ 1source record 3927
Yeah dogs aren't for everyone and some people should not own dogs. People really need to consider what they want out of a pet before they get one. But you are probably gonna be cleaning up poop no matter which pet you get.♥ 1source record 3945
No offense but owning and giving proper care to a dog is like have a very special needs kid. Of your a social Bitterly and like to come and go as you please A dog is not going to be a good fit.♥ 1source record 3955
hot take: it’s really not that bad if you know what you’re getting yourself into.♥ 1source record 3994
I love having a dog, but I always actively discourage other people from getting one because I really don't believe most people are responsible enough or lead the right lifestyle for having one. My entire life revolves around my dog's schedule, and personally I'm cool with that, but most people wouldn't be. And that's fine! But then I tell them they shouldn't get a dog and they're so confused because I love my dog SO much. Of course, I also did my research and am an excellent dog trainer, so she is also an absolute angel and doesn't have any fussy health issues. She is one of the best-behaved dogs most people have seen. So many people who say they aren't dog people love her because she's such a sweetheart. What they don't see is the hundreds of hours of rigorous training it took over the course of four years to get here. You gotta really love training dogs to get these results lol, which I do. And based on the behavior of other dogs I see, most people don't.♥ 1source record 4014
Having a dog is not plug and play. Requieres discipline, time, focus, attention, love, consistency, and ultimate…. Massive patience. Ohhh and $$$. My little boy was a massive pain in the rear for two whole years, now he is the sweetest boy. Love him forever.♥ 1source record 4018
I wouldn’t be without a dog. But it’s not for everyone.♥ 1source record 4037
This is super valid. I have always had dogs my entirely life. I have 3 right now. I can’t even remember the last time I only had one dog, let alone zero. I love dogs. So much. But holy shit so I tell people not to get dogs. Which is always met with either hostility or surprise, depending on the person. But it’s true. It’s a lot of work if you want to do it well and correctly. You’re stewarding a whole ass life. That life is your responsibility. Food, medical care, training, love, engagement, socialization etc. and it doubles as they age when they need more medical care. I recently went through this with a friend of mine. She LOVES my dogs. Sometimes i think she comes over just for them. She really wanted a dog and ive spent years telling her that what she sees in my house wont be indicative of what she will get. I have super trained dogs. German shepherds and a random mutt. I absolutely do not recommend GSDs for first time owners. It’s a lot. They are wonderful dogs but holy shit. The shedding management is a full time job by itself. Ive always been extremely honest about how difficult they can be if you dont know what youre doing. What does she do? Adopts one. It’s a nightmare. Within three days the poor girl is back at the shelter. And its like. What did i say bro. Its not just the breed its the whole general dog package. Its WORK. A lot of responsibility. Theyre not just lawn ornaments. Im so exhausted with kids and dogs lmfao and i love them so much but once my three furry idiots are gone of old age im taking a pet ownership break. Two of them are very old now and im not ready to let them go. And thats a whole other conversation 😭♥ 1source record 4053
I’ve had dogs most of my life (including now). It takes work to have dogs. I wouldn’t give it up for a second but it’s not for everyone.♥ 1source record 4105
My personal theory is the best times to own a dog are when you're under 18, and when you're over 60.♥ 1source record 4149
I love and respect dogs, and also will never have one of my own as an adult. No thanks. They are an incredible amount of responsibility and investment of energy, and I actually think the generally agreed upon standards of canine care are lacking. Most of the people I’ve known who feel like caring for a dog is “easy” are, unbeknownst to themselves, not very good dog owners. I think I only have the energy in this lifetime to put that kid of devoted effort into one living being, and to be honest, I’m going to save that energy for a future human child, lol.♥ 1source record 4206
Very important post. There are so many dog owners out there who don’t understand the responsibility it takes to raise an animal, let alone potentially large, loud, and dangerous ones.♥ 1source record 4213
I raised and trained dogs for years. For hunting, drug and bomb detection. When I finally decided to give it up (after getting married, 2 kids and a dairy goat farm), the extra time I had was INSANE. I worked them every day, bathed, watered, fed, exercised, played with, socialized..... it is a 24/7 life. Now that I am free of it? The only dog I would probably ever own is a livestock guardian dog for my goats/chickens, and/or a protection dog. Both would require training, but I am not doing the pet thing again..... ever. Just so much goes into it. And now, sometimes other peoples very UNTRAINED dogs annoy the \*\*(\*#[account][account] of me. Like please, just some manners would be nice. They don't have to be what I had/raised. But at least don't jump on me in a dress or cover me in unwelcome kisses. Ugh. Edited to say - OP - hopefully your dog isn't a poop eater. My ex-sister in laws little mutts eat shit. And they get in your face and BREATHE/pant. And it turns my freaking stomach.♥ 1source record 4244
Hahaha! This is truly great. As a pro pet care giver these are a lot of my client base 😂. I book house sittings a year in advance. I mean some of it is just bad luck. There is also resource guarding, fear of children, dog aggression, regular destructive of property, habitual rolling in shit and dead things. WHINING! Oh my god the constant whining-jumping-mouthiness. Inappropriate and incessant barking (I’m taking to you Labradors). Eliminating in the house even will open access to the yard. I have a client that gets so anxious he shits his crate almost daily and then digs into the bed to cover it resulting in a crate, wall and dog caked with dried poo (100 pound dog if you’d like to imagine the amount of poo) thankfully I don’t see him everyday. Humping, some can’t stop-won’t stop! Doing your homework can help. Amateur Husky owners, you poor people. Why would you get a Husky as your first ever dog? Or a Malinois? They do have dog breed traits and neediness charts on the internet, study that before you bring home that Jack Russel or Australian Shepard! Bulldogs, don’t do it! Know your breeds, that terrier mix is not going to behave like your calm and cuddly dearly departed pit-mix. DO NOT get a puppy whilst pregnant, just no.♥ 1source record 4249
I love dogs but its like having to take care of a commitable crazy relative and you gotta pay their bills too. :) Fighting the urge to get another though..♥ 1source record 4289
I think having a dog as a retired old person is fine. You dont travel, you can stay home, take the walks you both need, get some company and routine to daily life. But as a younger person that still works it is kind of a huge inconvenience. You can travel, you cant do spontaneous stuff and the costs keep adding up.♥ 1source record 4317
"Just managing the dog properly" is a lot of hard work, and that's OP's point. Hard work sucks.♥ 5source record 4349
It’s like having another child in some ways. It’s demanding and will get in the way of what you want to do at times. And it isn’t cheap. It’s not for everyone and if you can’t genuinely commit to it just pet other people’s dogs.♥ 1source record 4355
As a die hard dog lover through and through, you're 100% right♥ 1source record 4371
Owning an animal is easy But being a good pet owner is hard♥ 1source record 4400
I think the dog worship of late has caused many people who would not have otherwise entertained the idea, to jump right in. I’ve had some great dogs in my life, and enjoyed them. This new trend of everyone has to have a dog thing, is keeping me from getting another one. I also have retired and travel a bit so that’s another issue all together. Dogs have become like tattoos; the cool kids have them.♥ 1source record 4411
I genuinely think most people shouldn’t own dogs. It breaks my heart thinking of all the dogs left alone while people go off to work, or being discarded when they decide to have a baby. They’re a lot of work it’s like having a toddler. If I didn’t have flexible work hours and family to help with mine I wouldn’t dream of getting one. I love him to bits though, only for him I’d never bother going for walks The amount of poor dogs stuck in shelters because people keep buying from breeders and or surrendering the dog they should have thought more about buying♥ 1source record 4425
As much as I disagree with you, this perspective is totally fair. If someone isn’t interested in the responsibility and not fun aspects of pet ownership, they shouldn’t own a pet then. At least you have self awareness!♥ 1source record 4461
I love my dog and would not want to live without her, but it is a lot of time, dedication, and work.♥ 1source record 4475
The idea of owning a dog, is often better than owning a dog…♥ 1source record 4480
I'm a dog owner, but I wish more people would be this brutally honest about the downsides to having a dog so that others can see it before they get one. In the case of some breeds, it's like having a child in the sense you need to have eyes in the back of your head if they're trained not to just eat anything they find or not. My late cocker spaniel was trained to leave things she found on the pavement, but that still didn't stop her running into a field and eating a poisonous mushroom. The vet bills for that one were gimungous (note: that's not why she passed away, that was old age).♥ 1source record 4516
Dogs aren't for everyone 🤷‍♂️ Nothing wrong with that. We have three Belgian Malinois and they are batshit crazy (in an awesome way, lol). Definitely requires work and isn't for everyone. We have friends who have 6 horses and I'm like oh hell no, that's too much work!! Lol.♥ 1source record 4529
It just comes down to some people not being dog or animal people. Not that it’s bad, just think hard before you get a pet. It’s the reason many end up back at shelters.♥ 1source record 4534
I absolutely adore dogs, but all of this is SO valid! They can definitely be a lot of hard work, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting to take that on.♥ 1source record 4548
I have a dog. I love my dog. I entirely agree with everything you wrote in here. Dogs themselves, pretty cool. Owning a dog is an ass load of work both expected and unexpected.♥ 1source record 4553
Its true. Its why I hate it when people close to me who are in financial distress get a dog on a whim. Then they either end up rehoming or stop caring and letting them die naturally. I dont have a dog because im not financially responsible enough and I effing love dogs♥ 1source record 4554
Most people in this thread shouldn’t be dog owners, including the OP. Research the shit out of it before committing, plan well, and execute even better.♥ 0source record 4592
People should realize that owning a pet, any pet (unless it's a rock), will mean you have to deal with poop. Animals = poop, shit, doodoo and kaka. Sometimes it will be nice and drama free, and sometimes you step in it in the dark, slide 2 meters and fall, while launching half of the patty in to the wall.♥ 1source record 4605
Dogs are good for people who are home mostly♥ 1source record 4609
Yea its fucking hard. Worth it but fucking tedious.♥ 1source record 4621
Honestly I think this is the wise opinion, not necessarily unpopular. Or, the people this opinion would be unpopular with are probably those who are not very good with animals and keep them like furniture. . . Truth is, a pet like a dog or cat or rabbit is much closer to a 15 year commitment to a four legged toddler than it is a buddy you just hang out with. And we love toddlers, but they like to destroy all our shit and make giant messes and scare us to death and we can't leave the house for too long and we gotta find people to watch them etc etc. Some people are too passive about owning animals. It's more like an "item" than a responsibility. I'm glad you've come around to realizing how much of a big deal it is. It means you don't neglect them.♥ 1source record 4629
This is why I always warn people against getting a dog. Most people don’t understand how much time and money go into a dog. So many dogs are neglected and the excuse is “it’s better than the dog shelter”. Agree to disagree. Also, adding that hounds are A LOT of work. They often require agility training. They’re working dogs. Super loving but a lot of work.♥ 1source record 4633
I don’t understand how people think a dog or any pet for that matter doesn’t require a lot of responsibility 😩♥ 1source record 4696
Dogs are wonderful and a huge responsibility. Kinda like having children, except they never grow up and move out. They just become elderly children. Their short lifespans mean they fill your heart and grow it and then break it. Owning a dog should not be a casual decision. You're probably gonna travel less and get very familiar with whatever is within walking distance of your home. But if you can handle it, owning a dog can be the one of best things in life.♥ 1source record 4697
As someone who loves my dog and tollerates all the bad about it, this is all so true.♥ 1source record 4699
That’s why I always say owning dogs are for people whose work is training dogs or retired people w no hobbies. Dogs are not for people with normal life styles♥ 1source record 4729
Dogs are a 10-15 year commitment. It’s not a hobby.♥ 1source record 4783
ITT: A lot of people who should have never owned dogs in the first place. If your life is that drastically changed by getting a dog you were never ready for one in the first place.♥ 1source record 4794
Dogs are a huge responsibility. We have a border collie. He doesn’t poop in the yard because he goes on multiple walks a day. He’s spoiled and gets human grade food and we are home a lot so he gets a ton of attention, but still wants more. Our lives revolve around the dog. He’s a very good boy because he gets so much attention, but he’s a ton of work. I think that too many people have dogs and most people are too busy for them. I love my dog so much, but wouldn’t recommend a working dog for most people.♥ 1source record 4808
I used to get a lot of flack here a few years ago because I said that dogs are too much responsibility for the VAST majority of people. especially if you live in an apartment in a city. They require such levels of attention for their development mentally, socially and physically that any family that has work and school just can't provide. and most people who DO own dogs treat it as a statement piece for their home or a substitute for a personality, instead of a living creature that coexists with you.♥ 1source record 4850
Imo this is must read for all new pet owners, especially those who think pets can be gifts.♥ 1source record 4851
I love my dog but yes, owning one requires patience, training and knowing they can be gross.♥ 1source record 4865
I appreciate this unpopular opinion and your insight. I've seen people romanticize owning a dog and then give them away when things don't work out. Dogs were in my life the moment I was born, so it's difficult to live without one. A lot of people do not understand the level of care. Getting a dog is bringing a member of the family into a home and both parties (dog and human) need to adapt. That's why owners train and clean up after their dogs and have routines to keep their household balanced. I choose having a dog over children because it's all I know and I love it. I adopt middle aged dogs because they are already potty trained (lol) and need homes. They do come with risks of hidden medical and behavioral issues, but I never regret it.♥ 1source record 4869
If you really respect your dog's right to a joyful, fulfilling life, then it'll be a lot of work to care for him/her. I find it rewarding, but it is a lot of work.♥ 1source record 4872
I’m glad you find it easy. Unfortunately not everyone does.♥ 1source record 5180
I put scare quotes around difficult because it means very different things to different people. For instance, I enjoy walks. I would take them without my dogs, however they make enjoy it more. So not a difficulty. I'll allow they are generally more expensive, but I wouldn't call them more difficult myself.♥ 1source record 5182
If your dog owning on easy mode then you don’t even understand the world that I’m living in. If you walks are the difficulty, it’s like people who say it’s really easy to raise kids. Yeah, if you’re not parenting.♥ 1source record 5183
Did a dog write this? Dogs are exhausting and I’m sure anyone who isn’t completely on board with them is getting downvoted in this post.♥ -1source record 5186
This thread is the reality of dog ownership, at least from the perspective of someone who doesn’t own a dog but knows many people with them There’s one dog in my life out of like 30 that pass the vibe check. Missus brown lab is goated♥ 1source record 5189
Train the dog to not shit? Or train the dog not to want attention? Or train the dog to not eat slugs? Please inform us of how one accomplishes all of this?♥ 1source record 5251
Random stuff, yes. You expect an animal, that has centuries worth of predatory instincts, to see moving prey and not act?♥ 1source record 5253
They're issues regardless of dog. Every dog needs to be tended to. Every dog needs its shit picked up. Every dog has a smell to it, even if you personally are nose blind. Every dog needs hours of training minimum to be even moderately well behaved. Idk why dog owners act like this shit disappears by being a "good owner". It's still a shit load of work.♥ 3source record 5275
OP isn't shocked, and if you think he is then you didn't read the post. He's just annoyed at having to take care of an annoying animal that he didn't want in the first place.♥ 1source record 5277
If the problem is the owner, then OP is correct - it's hard work to get the desired outcome and the journey along the way sucks.♥ 1source record 5289
It's true. Owning a dog is a lot of damn work and responsibility and its costly. Don't do it unless you understand this and are willing to commit to a dog's schedule and needs for then next 15 years or so. I repeat, DON'T DO IT if these things scare you because it will be worse than you can imagine. Also, unless you are a responsible breeder, get your dogs spayed or neutered.♥ 1source record 5303
This was good to read. Considering a dog. Always owned cats and they’re so hands off. But still, my last cat had a lot of issues towards the end so I know how expensive vets can be, and the loss of an animal being so hard to move on from. Having had a kid, I’m seeing that they’re really like children. Doing things you don’t want to do, in exchange for having a companion. Never really having a day off. Lots to think about and research.♥ 1source record 5306
Not everyone needs to have a dog. Most people should probably love dogs from afar.♥ 1source record 5335
I love this post, and wish every person wanting a dog would read it To be clear, I am a 100% dog person. My dog is special needs and requires a Ton of work. NOT an easy dog to own. However I love him second only to my daughter and wife, and would never give him up. But, the point of your post, and what i wish every single person understood, is that being a dog parent is A Lot of work and responsibility. They are not stuffed animals. They have massive amounts of need and you Should NOT get one unless you are prepared.♥ 0source record 5378
Having dogs is like having disabled children. They can’t care for themselves and they’re so innocent… It’s a big investment and it’s not for everyone. This is why people need to think it through before they get a dog. Not a bad take. Just stick with your decision and be good to her. Your freedoms will return again one day and you will miss the time you had with her, even though it’s a chore at times.♥ 0source record 5381

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Why readers chose it: 172 records of what the dog returned, and the notable thing is who writes them: many are the same commenters who have just finished itemising the costs. The reported benefits are specific rather than sentimental — structure and a reason to leave the house during depression, weight lost because of the walks, a socially unarguable excuse to go home, a sense of safety living alone, and in several records a dog that detected a serious illness before a doctor did. More than one commenter states plainly that the dog is why they are still alive. The card carries its own dissent too: that the security benefit is overstated and a camera does the job better.

What readers reported: It rules and sucks. I loved my dog her whole life. She made my life better in a million ways. On the daily she forced me to have responsibility and structure I wouldn't have otherwise. Got me moving when I was depressed and always had love for me. She was also the push I needed to move out of my parents house (they replaced the carpet and she kept slipping all the time) which made me step up to full time employment and promotions. In a ridiculous set of dominoes, that got me a job with education benefits and let me get my bachelor's degree. She also cost me so much money. That same responsibility while living alone made me structure my days around her always. Apartment hunting with a dog thats more than 30 pounds is impossible. Maybe it was an excuse not to be a social or the albatross around my social life's neck. Either way, it did suck to have to go home after work every day or not be able to plan an impromptu weekend. Lastly, in my 20s I wanted to try living totally car-free but I never committed to it because of my dog. Her medical issues and passing are some of the most heartbreaking things in my life and also I'm not in a hurry to get another dog.

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I always had dogs. I grew up with them. I love dogs. But my last dog was my literal best buddy. He was found beaten and malnourished in Los Angeles Chinatown. He was very sketchy but just needed love. He was on death row as unsaveable. At the same time, I was going through a maddening mental breakdown. Lost my Dad, my identity, my life purpose... I decided I would take on this dog. Over the course of years I helped him become the kindest and most gentle soul one could imagine. He was my shadow. And he was always by my side, always. He slept under my desk while I worked everyday, sat by my side during meals, even walked beside me while I mowed the lawn... This dog was my buddy. Then he developed a heart condition. Within 36 hours he went from fine to needing my help crossing over... Holding him in my arms while they gave him that shot, and watching him fade out, fucking broke me... I dont know if I can have another dog... not because I dont want one, but it wouldn't be fair to the new dog to never have that kind of bond with it...

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Tbh. Ive often hated having go stop what im doing and walk tbe dog. But Rain or shine ive never Regretted walking the dog. I was often dissapointed i had to leave whatever fun i was doing go go home and make sure tbe dog was ok. Ive never been happier walking in that door and seeing his tail wag. Ive often been frustrated i had to plan travel around my dog. Ive never as excited as bringing them on a trip. Negative emotions are normal and natural but loving is looking at the good not the bad

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Owning a dog and positively interacting with it releases a person's happy hormones and helps to relieve stress. Bonding with your dog will add more love to your life. Taking care of a dog adds routine and structure to your daily life. Walking your dog in the neighborhood is a way to meet other neighbors who walk their dogs. Dogs can be a wonderful addition to your life in so many ways .The other side of the coin is that they can be expensive (we spent $12k fixing torn ligaments in both of our dog's hind legs )and when they get old you'll become a live-in nurse to an ailing pet. Worst of all, when it's time for them to go, your heart will be broken. We lost our dog after 14 years this winter and it was a heartache , but also a relief. I understand your complaints and recommend you commit to doing your best to make your dog's life a good life. You'll never regret doing the right thing and you'll earn a lot of points with your family.

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This is exactly it. Used my dog as an "I'm over this, I wanna go home" excuse so many times.

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Reading this post made me immediately go play with my dog because he's the best.

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Agree the responsibilities can become overwhelming at times, but I view it as an honor to care for such a pure, life-loving, trusting creature. I know when he’s gone, I’m going to wish I can pick up his 3-poops again that he does on our walks. (Every time). The financial aspect of the “what ifs” can get me really stressed out, but I have pet insurance and fingers crossed I never have to use it.

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My father's dog wouldn't let spot on his arm alone. Mom asked dermatologist to look at it. He said it was nothing. Dog kept at it so next visit mom insisted they biopsy it. Yup, was bad but dog caught it. Happy for you and your wife. That had to be scary. Yay dogs♥ 10source record 8
Dude bopped it with his nose for a week under my wife's desk. Then literally began low level growling at it. The funny thing is this. He has always behave incredibly strangely about once or twice a year or so where he will randomly growl at folks for literally no reason and no connection we can think of. EXCEPT - the people we know that he has embarrassed us by growling at ALL had or lived with someone who had cancer. Our working theory now is that the dog f'n hates cancer. We feel it is a solid theory.♥ 6source record 9
What a good boy!!! I have heard a similar story from a coworker whose rescue dog alerted her to her breast cancer! Dogs are the best !!!🩷🌺♥ 4source record 12
Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing totally depends on your lifestyle, it's incompatible with a lot of people's lives but very compatible with others. Also really depends on the dog's breed and personality. I love having a dog, it's so good for my mental health. I got my first 10 years ago, lost him last year and got another straight after. It does put some limits on what I can do but I don't ever want to live without a dog so I plan my life around being able to have one. But I know lots of people who got a dog and really shouldn't have, it's not for everyone. From my own perspective I don't think it's much different than planning your life around human family. My friends that got married and had kids aren't as free as we all were in our 20s, if we want to do anything together it has to be planned in advance. But I do get that people are usually more willing to deal with that kind of limitation/inconvenience for humans than pets.♥ 5source record 284
Same, my dog has one eye and seizures but even with that I still consider him an easy boy. His seizures are managed with meds that only cost $15/mo and his eye hasn't crippled him at all. Granted, he only weighs like 8 pounds and that's what makes a huge difference. But I love him and understand him as a living being with an individual personality and separate needs. He lights up my life and fills my heart with love. Picking up his poop in the yard is 100% worth it.♥ 5source record 366
This is exactly it. Used my dog as an "I'm over this, I wanna go home" excuse so many times.♥ 28source record 373
I always had dogs. I grew up with them. I love dogs. But my last dog was my literal best buddy. He was found beaten and malnourished in Los Angeles Chinatown. He was very sketchy but just needed love. He was on death row as unsaveable. At the same time, I was going through a maddening mental breakdown. Lost my Dad, my identity, my life purpose... I decided I would take on this dog. Over the course of years I helped him become the kindest and most gentle soul one could imagine. He was my shadow. And he was always by my side, always. He slept under my desk while I worked everyday, sat by my side during meals, even walked beside me while I mowed the lawn... This dog was my buddy. Then he developed a heart condition. Within 36 hours he went from fine to needing my help crossing over... Holding him in my arms while they gave him that shot, and watching him fade out, fucking broke me... I dont know if I can have another dog... not because I dont want one, but it wouldn't be fair to the new dog to never have that kind of bond with it...♥ 25source record 384
Apparently they detect hormone changes, it's really interesting. Cats are also capable of this so I assume it's common among mammals with specifically sensitive noses.♥ 2source record 511
What is even more bizarre is it is 100% true. I would not have believed this if I read it online. And the part where he starts growling at the spot - literally sounds like fiction. But as I type this, one sits next to me with her leg propped above her heart to keep swelling/inflammation down while it heals, and the other is lying asleep on the kitchen floor tiles while using his frisbee as a pillow. Bizarre little world.♥ 2source record 512
I used to work in the vet industry years ago in my 20s and I heard owners more than once say their dog pointed out a serious illness or cancer ….. it’s wild !!!! So glad it was addressed and she’s recovering !♥ 2source record 513
I'll be honest. I wouldn't entirely believe an account like this on the internet. Except, it actually happened to us. My wife said she felt like a whack-a-doodle making a doctor's appointment to check a spot the dog was growling at. She was embarrassed saying the words to her doc, lol.♥ 2source record 514
I probably wouldn’t be alive if I didn’t have my dogs♥ 2source record 1439
I thought so too, until about 2 weeks ago. I lost my soul dog in a long decline in June 2025. I also have another dog that still was grieving his death, they were really bonded. Having new life is such a joy (don't get me wrong, the work is there) but my soul dog definitely sent me an angel. I still miss him everyday but the new pup is amazing and my other dog loves him.♥ 2source record 1450
Once they’re gone, you’ll miss taking care of them♥ 1source record 1455
the mind has a way of only remembering the good and blocking out the bad♥ 2source record 1456
Tbh. Ive often hated having go stop what im doing and walk tbe dog. But Rain or shine ive never Regretted walking the dog. I was often dissapointed i had to leave whatever fun i was doing go go home and make sure tbe dog was ok. Ive never been happier walking in that door and seeing his tail wag. Ive often been frustrated i had to plan travel around my dog. Ive never as excited as bringing them on a trip. Negative emotions are normal and natural but loving is looking at the good not the bad♥ 3source record 1483
As a black cat of a person I love it. My energy drains quickly in public spaces especially with a lot of people. “Want to go a drink after work?” “Oh, sorry —I have to let out my 4 dogs. I don’t want a huge mess to clean up when I get home!” (They rarely have accidents, if ever. Even for long periods). “Heyyyyyy supevisor. I know the office mandated 4 days in office, but when my husband travels the dogs are alone most of the day which causes chaos (it usually does not) It would be better if I could WFH those days.” Oh sure, there are days I want to slap them all! But they love me more than anything. And honestly, these days… I’ll pick an animal over a human 9 times out of 10. Especially living in the US.♥ 2source record 1521
But worth it♥ 1source record 1544
This is true. I got my dog with no real experience other than dogs I had when I was a kid. I’m thankful my dog forces me to go out and move my body more. It is a pain though that while she’s potty trained, if I’m gonna be gone for a few hours I have to take her out on a short bathroom trip and I live in an apartment. I can’t just fill a backyard with shit 😂 I have a few friends with dogs and they don’t understand why it’s harder for me to watch their dogs. They just open the back door for them and don’t walk them. I have to wrangle all the dogs and have them fumble over each other multiple times a day. It’s a lot of responsibility, but I wouldn’t trade it for anything! With her nine years. Definitely not for everyone though.♥ 2source record 1610
I personally like how much work dogs require, it gives me more structure to my life. If most people got out and walked a few miles a day for example they'd feel a lot lot better. Most of the actual work isn't that bad besides the walking tbh, just got to feed them and clean up their shit♥ 7source record 1678
Same here! I also enjoy the walking tbh♥ 2source record 1679
Single woman living alone, a perceived scary dog makes sense.♥ 5source record 1695
What is irrational about this “fear”? As a single woman who has lived alone in an apartment building, trust me, there are very rational things you’d like to be protected from.♥ 3source record 1698
The odds of the dog preventing something bad from happening are extremely low. Hence irrational.♥ 3source record 1699
But the work is a feature, not an annoyance. It gives structure to your life. The walks especially, if more people got outside and walked in nature for a few miles a day they'd be a lot, lot happier and have more energy♥ 1source record 1736
TBH I'd often rather spend time _with_ my dog than do a bunch of other things. So I kinda don't put much effort into going places without my dog, but that's a conscious choice.♥ 2source record 1752
I think Reddit is just miserable all throughout. Take care of your dogs and you’ll be rewarded with one of the most unique and loving bonds you can have with something while you’re here. My dog is such a sweet companion and friend and I’m thankful I get to spend time with him daily. Especially after work. It’s like the entire day melts as soon as he greets me at the door.♥ 2source record 1800
30% of the time I "have to go let the dogs out" it's because I want to leave.♥ 2source record 1801
To be fair, that’s an excuse I use anytime I just want to go home lol♥ 1source record 1815
Sometimes I use my dog to get out of social gatherings 🤫 come stay at the in laws cabin? Sorry, can't, dog!♥ 1source record 1817
Tbh as an introvert, having the excuse of having a dog to go home and care for is the best thing ever.♥ 1source record 1822
“Have to go home to feed the dog” is the excuse I use when I want to leave. Lmao.♥ 1source record 1823
I'm antisocial. Well, I enjoy going home when I want to go home. Having to go home to my dog is a great "excuse" to leave the party when my social battery is drained.... and nobody can argue against it 😈 I never told my friends this secret..♥ 1source record 1824
me and my bf's go to excuse to leave family functions is that we have to feed the dog lol♥ 1source record 1827
I thought I was losing my mind at the comments thank you. Like, I get how it can be frustrating owning a dog if it's naughty, but I've literally never once regretted adopting my dog. Being a more responsible person has literally made my life better too, not worse. They force you to care about something bigger than yourself. And walking daily also is very good for your health♥ 1source record 1829
This one is truly unpopular for me. I can’t imagine my life without my dogs. I feel much calmer when they’re around, and they bring me joy every day. I don’t like extended vacations because I miss them too much.♥ 2source record 2122
I don’t know I feel the opposite. But I can also acknowledge that it’s not for everybody. I absolutely love my dog and he brings me a lot of joy. But it’s definitely a lifestyle. I mean, we do a lot of parks and play and training so it’s definitely something that I kind of curated my life around and I think the difference is that.♥ 2source record 2130
Lol! I just got done spending over 2 hours giving both my dogs a peroxide and then normal baths (they needed multiple) after they got skunked! One was within 8 inches of the source! Ugh. Trust me, I was asking myself why the hell I do this. But, for me, the positives outweigh the negatives. They are medicine for my traumatized soul. So, yeah, there's vet bills, mandatory walks when i might not be feeling it, general maintenance cost. But for me, the positives outweigh these negatives. Also, ALL dogs are better than most people!! So, I kinda feel like we owe them. Dogs are DEFINITELY not for everyone!!! And a bad match can make existence pain for everyone involved.♥ 2source record 2134
I can't image life without at least 1 (ok 2) dogs in it. Yeah they are expensive. Vacations are always at least $100 more per day because I have my house sitter. But having those crazies in my life is worth it. They make me laugh. They give me something to do when I'm bored. They keep me warm. And I can't get that loving look anywhere else. Oh to find a man that looks at me the way my dogs do.♥ 2source record 2137
See im the opposite, i had always wanted a dog and my parents never allowed it. I was not the best at taking care of myself, i gained weight and couldnt really be bothered with exercise. Right up until i got a dog , i told myself "im going to show my parents that ive always been able to do it" and i trained the best effing dog in the world. Sitting at the side of the road, an hour walk in the morning, 20 minutes at lunch time and then whatever i fancied at night (usually around 30-40 minutes but sometimes we just played in the local park for ages ) i got a 2nd dog 4 years ago and she is a whole different animal but i really lucked out on my first boy and i loved every second of living with him. God damn i loved that dog so much, hes been dead 2 years now and i still find it difficult talking about him .♥ 2source record 2142
I have a rescue pitty. He was 3 days away from being put down in shelter. He was bred to fight, and when he lost, his throat was cut and thrown out in the Texas summer. He survived,for months before dog catcher. When I got him, I was afraid..we were. What I can say now, is that he is absolutely the thing I love most in this world. It's like he understands we saved him. Yes they are a pain in the ass, but when you have a deep connection with this domesticed wolf..there's no other person, or animal in this world , that loves like my dog. A survivor. He teaches me a lot about life and it's a privilege to share this time with him. One more thing- I don't suggest ever having children per your post. They are much more disappointing usually♥ 2source record 2177
Getting my dog is the best decision I’ve ever made. I’d never own a cat again though.♥ 2source record 2230
**THEY WORKED AND PROTECTED US FOR FREE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS.** **WE STARTED SLAVING FOR POLLUTION AND PROCESSED FOOD, CAPITALISM, FORCED THEM INDOORS AND TOOK THEIR Little JOBS!** **We're the problem and we're ruining the earth.** **They are magical creatures that can literally learn ANY SKILL YOU NEED THEM TO!** **-Bomb detection** **-Avalanche Rescue** **-Boar Hunting** **-Seizure detection** **-Pulling wheelchairs** **-Rescuing drowning people** **-Going INTO COMBAT for our dumb wars** **-Detecting Mustard Gas in the trenches (RIP Sergeant Stubby** **-Hunting Lions** **-Guarding Property** **-Herding Cattle** **On and on and on...** **WE ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THEM.** **We** **have used and** **abuse them** **and all they ever do is show up every day to still try to help with the cognitive capacity of** **a two year-old** **child.**** ** **I would pay $1 million for their little spirit time and again in this lifetime because far too many people get a lot more money for doing way** **way way** **less.** **And oh by the way the same logic can be used on having regular human children****.** **End of rant****.**♥ 2source record 2249
A dog has no benefit they’re just there doing shit just have kids instead. Studies show even for security, cameras are better than dogs. Well it’s too bad humans bred them out to be compliant slaves so people say, “we can’t let them go in the wild they’ll die”, go figure.♥ 2source record 2250
I grew up with dogs, I can't imagine not having at least one around the house♥ 2source record 2253
I love dogs so so much. It is worth it to go through all that because dogs are wonderful companions. I have my kitty, though and she is a great pet.♥ 5source record 2256
Dogs aren't for everyone and thats okay. Dogs are a joy but they are also furry toddlers forever. Think of it like that. Shes part of the family. One day shes gonna slow down and not want to do much. I bet your kid loves her though because she's a playmate.. Just focus on all the positives 🩷♥ 10source record 2294
I adopted a severely abused husky when he was only a month old. I did everything I could including trainers and a certified dog psychiatrist. At 10 years old he's still has problems and has cost me a fortune in money and more importantly time. I would do it again with this husky in a heartbeat. The bond is unlike any other. It sucks but its also one of the best things in life.♥ 2source record 2297
Dogs are a lot of work, but it’s so worth it!♥ 2source record 2308
Owning a dog and positively interacting with it releases a person's happy hormones and helps to relieve stress. Bonding with your dog will add more love to your life. Taking care of a dog adds routine and structure to your daily life. Walking your dog in the neighborhood is a way to meet other neighbors who walk their dogs. Dogs can be a wonderful addition to your life in so many ways .The other side of the coin is that they can be expensive (we spent $12k fixing torn ligaments in both of our dog's hind legs )and when they get old you'll become a live-in nurse to an ailing pet. Worst of all, when it's time for them to go, your heart will be broken. We lost our dog after 14 years this winter and it was a heartache , but also a relief. I understand your complaints and recommend you commit to doing your best to make your dog's life a good life. You'll never regret doing the right thing and you'll earn a lot of points with your family.♥ 2source record 2399
I will never live without a dog. they aren't called "man's best friend" for no reason. They're incredible. Solid unpopular opinion OP♥ 1source record 2420
I got 3 and I’m a single living bachelor. Worth every heartache and inconvenience of plans♥ 1source record 2521
This is way more popular of an opinion that it seems. I have two dogs and love them both so much. They’re my actual best friends and I love being able to use them as an excuse to have to leave somewhere because they need me. It will be devastating when they go to doggy heaven but there is no greater joy in life than sharing it with a dog for me.♥ 1source record 2522
The love that my dog has brought to our household is priceless in my opinion. Vacations are a challenge, even having people over is a challenge (because our dog is overly friendly and won’t let people alone). But she’s such a fucking sweetheart, and she’s been a saint to our daughter from the day she was born. Absolute gem of a soul.♥ 2source record 2560
I’ve always had dogs and can’t imagine my life without them. I’d rather have dogs than kids. I don’t trust anyone that doesn’t like dogs.♥ 1source record 2587
My girl died a few years ago but having her with me for an entire 11 years was a complete honour and privilege. I've been blessed several times over with knowing some of the very best humanity has to offer but my dog is easily one of the most profound and beautiful relationships I've ever had.♥ 1source record 2617
Get that poor pups digestion checked-poor darling likely needs different food asap. Good on you for recognizing you're not a dog guy. I grew up with dogs and when I got old enough, got a German Shepherd, who was my best friend. Yep, cleaned up poop all over the yard, yep, vet bills, yep, no spacial awareness and definitely all up in my business but I wouldn't trade my time with him for anything. So for me, the poop and bills and constant need for attention were normal things I had grown to adjust. Never though, did I see any dogs as an inconvenience. Maybe you're more of a plant guy? ;) Rest In Peace Sheriff Dogman, I love you!! It's alright to not enjoy a dog someone else is raising that you have to care for but owning a dog def does not suck <3♥ 1source record 2620
I've had dogs literally my whole life, primary responsible for 33 years. And let me tell you, you don't ever get to like picking up dog shit 😆 Life without a dog in it is completely unappealing to me, so it's worth picking up dog shit and paying vet bills. 😁♥ 2source record 2651
This is the most awful opinion I have ever upvoted for being unpopular. Dogs are a lot of effort. The reward is so much greater.♥ 1source record 2684
They are heaps of work and expensive. But the days when I just want to give up, she gives me hope. I prefer dogs to most people.♥ 1source record 2689
All these negative comments and I am just sitting here waiting to get home to my dogs. Have there been issues? Yes. Do I love them and would (and have) done anything for them. Damn right. I like to think that every dog you let into your life teaches you new lessons and provides immense joy and connection. I cannot ever see my life empty of dogs.♥ 1source record 2715
I’ve had four dogs as an adult. They are an absolute pain in the ass, but they have always been my besties.♥ 1source record 2738
I love taking care of my dog. I really enjoy picking up her poop from the pavement and brushing her and letting her lead me where she wants to go on walks. But I like babies so I’m happy to have a permababy.♥ 1source record 2743
I agree that I probably wouldn't enjoy having a dog just to have a dog. But taking my dog on long off leash hikes is what I live for!♥ 1source record 2757
I'm probably crazy but I love how much care my dog requires. Everything I see about dogs that people complain about I just absolutely love and will do happily in a heartbeat. I probably just got really lucky with the dog I got, but even as a kid and growing up I felt this way.♥ 1source record 2758
Ya it's a pain in the ass but once the dog is gone you might find that you miss having a dog♥ 1source record 2773
I appreciate OP’s honesty and awareness. All pets are not for everyone. That said, my wife and I have had some absolutely phenomenal dogs that I can’t imagine how lame my life would’ve been without them.♥ 1source record 2791
I’ll agree we rescued a 5 month old border collie back in June and its thrown a wrench in our day to day but seeing that dogs happy ass chasing and playing with the boys in the yard makes it worth it♥ 1source record 2831
I’m the opposite. I love the work involved with owning dogs and I really can’t imagine a life where i’m not with a dog♥ 1source record 2855
I know the feeling I have 5 dogs and it is huge responsibility, but I do love them so it makes up for it♥ 1source record 2877
Yes its a real life commitment having a dog. I love it and wouldn't have it any other way♥ 1source record 2886
Reading this post made me immediately go play with my dog because he's the best.♥ 2source record 2898
I hear you. My dog is the worst. That said I would never trade him for anything. He’s laying on me right now after I stepped in his pee and cleaned up his poop multiple times today. I love him more than anything.♥ 1source record 2900
But have you ever owned a good dog? They better your life in many ways♥ 1source record 2957
Na. I have two dogs that I love more than my family. They would follow me into hell itself. Best decision ever♥ 1source record 2969
This is the goddamn truth, man, spread the word. Having said that, I love my dog and would fucking die for him. Six months into us being paw-rents, I started writing a book about how fucked up it is being a dog owner. Then life got in the way. Maybe I should revisit.♥ 1source record 3004
It rules and sucks. I loved my dog her whole life. She made my life better in a million ways. On the daily she forced me to have responsibility and structure I wouldn't have otherwise. Got me moving when I was depressed and always had love for me. She was also the push I needed to move out of my parents house (they replaced the carpet and she kept slipping all the time) which made me step up to full time employment and promotions. In a ridiculous set of dominoes, that got me a job with education benefits and let me get my bachelor's degree. She also cost me so much money. That same responsibility while living alone made me structure my days around her always. Apartment hunting with a dog thats more than 30 pounds is impossible. Maybe it was an excuse not to be a social or the albatross around my social life's neck. Either way, it did suck to have to go home after work every day or not be able to plan an impromptu weekend. Lastly, in my 20s I wanted to try living totally car-free but I never committed to it because of my dog. Her medical issues and passing are some of the most heartbreaking things in my life and also I'm not in a hurry to get another dog.♥ 1source record 3033
Yeah, my dog is annoying. But I walk 1 mile every morning, and I’m not sure if I would without a dog. Maybe when I no longer have one I’ll walk a faster mile.♥ 1source record 3061
I love my dog more than 99% of the people in my life but she is indeed a pain in the arse.♥ 1source record 3063
they’re the biggest pain in the ass and hassle in your life. then they die and it’s one of the most devastating things. but overall worth it♥ 1source record 3069
It drives me crazy when people suggest getting a dog to scare off intruders as if it's not a huge responsibility and a lot of work to properly take care of a dog. Sure pet people get the benefit of a little home security, but unless you really want a pet don't ever get one for any "practical" reason.♥ 1source record 3116
This is a good realization to have, and in no way does it reflect badly on you. It's a fact that a dog, no matter if it's microscopically sized, will gladly, happily, GLEEFULLY throw its damn self into the teeth of the most horrific thing imaginable, trading its own life for yours, without even blinking. For some of us, again no judgement, that's worth a thousand pairs of new kicks getting stained, or the thousands in vet bills to pull a hundred feet of goddam dental floss out of some guts. My only regret is that I'm now too old and arthritic to give a dog the life they deserve. But I get along fine doing that for my five cats.♥ 1source record 3141
Lmao. The shit is real yes. I have two Cane Corso's and they poop for real lol. My male also walks around the grass to make sure there is a poop everywhere lol. The clingyness check . But what i get back from those two, there is no amount of shit that will make me not want them. They are the best. They keep me sane they do ❤️❤️❤️♥ 1source record 3144
I got my dog when I was in college. I had to decline opportunities of exchange programs in other countries because of her. Now that I’m financially stable I can afford pet sitters, but broke college student me could hardly ever travel because of the dog. And yet, I would have done everything again. This dog saved my life in ways that medications or therapy never did. I can confidently say that I would not be here if I hadn’t got a dog my first year of college. Dogs require structure, routine, and lots of patience, and thats what saved me from the lowest of the low. No matter how suicidal and depressed I got, I still had to walk the damn dog twice a day. One of the times I tried to kill myself I made so many arrangements for her that my neighbor got suspicious and did a welfare check on me, saving my life. The second time I tried to die I almost immediately regretted it because she was the only thing in my mind, I knew no one would treat her better than me, I was scared she wouldn’t understand what happened. I called an ambulance for myself and lived. That was my last attempt and I promised her that I would never try it again. She’s still a pain in the ass though. I do not recommend dogs, they are huge emotional and financial toll.♥ 1source record 3221
I don’t want anyone to get a dog who isn’t going to accept the bad, the inconvenient, the cost, the fur and the smell of it all. What you get in return-if you’re smart enough to grasp it-is love and joy and happiness. The downsides are worth it.♥ 1source record 3238
I love my boy, I have sacrificed plenty of hours of a fun life to make sure he could poop and pee, but I would absolutely do it again in a heartbeat. The joy I get from seeing him wag his tail just because he can see me, the silly songs I sing to him, the fact that he meets me at the top of steps to give me kisses, watching him gallop around despite the fact he has an auto-immune disease and we could lose him any day now. I would never trade him for all that could have been and I would never trade my next dog for all that could be.♥ 1source record 3254
You’re not wrong. But I still love them. They are the closest thing to a cure to loneliness in my opinion.♥ 1source record 3261
My dogs my best mate. Couldn't imagine life without him.♥ 1source record 3302
boooooo booooooo! No, I agree with some points some days… Hate walking when I’m tired after a long day and drag myself out of the house. And don’t get me started on the endless snifffests. But then I look at my insane shepherd husky think how cool it is that humans over thousands of years coexisted with wolves and now this beast is asleep on my bed. All the money and annoyance that goes with dog ownership is worth the companionship for me.♥ 1source record 3314
I had a 3 legged dog, lost his leg 6 months old, got run over. Passed away in my living room 13 years later. Best friend I ever had. Picked his shit up every day, least I could do. Vet bills in the thousands, ruined holiday plans but would have him back in a heartbeat. Jake the tripod rip♥ 1source record 3316
My dog is always a disturbance, I regularly get annoyed. Then when I come home and it’s not there, for various reasons. The house feels so empty and I get the feeling that someone in the family is missing♥ 1source record 3336
Everything you say is true but it’s worth it 😊♥ 1source record 3386
Sometimes it's hard to have a dog, but I've had Labrador Retrievers for 35 or so years. I can't imagine not having one. They've been hunting, traveling, and general companions and it's been completely worth it. One was a hippie dog that loved cannabis and beer, the next was a teetotaler, and the latest is in between. One stood in the middle of a highway defending his downed mate while cars whizzed by him (shitty neighbors let them out one night while I was working and she survived), and one ran a bear out of my camp. All of them made my life better.♥ 1source record 3412
Dogs are rad and I love mine more than anything, shit and all.♥ 1source record 3417
Reading this thread I realised that I have an easy dog, and that - the walks, the time limits actually are things that work in my favour and keep my life in a very much needed structure. Of course at times it’s difficult but I would be worse off if she wasn’t around.♥ 1source record 3420
Well yeah it sucks, but you have to really be into it to make it worth it. Do I like waking up early? No. Do I like having to walk as a part of my first task upon waking up and getting home? No. Do I love spending thousands of dollars a year on random stuff, food, vet, toys, etc? No. Do I love being barked at and don't really understand why? No. But do I look at my dog and feel my heart flutter like he's my actual child? You bet the fuck I do. I imagine it's very similar in a lot of ways to having a kid. But I prefer not to have kids and chose pets instead. At least the reason I don't go on extravagant vacations isn't because I'm trying to save for some person's college that may disappoint me in the future because of the decisions they make lol♥ 1source record 3449
I've always been more of a cat person. We got a dog last year and it's the first time I've had one since childhood. I forgot that there's so much care you need to do for a dog compared to cats that just exist peacefully in your home. It took a bit to get used to her, but now I can't imagine life without her. The daily walks have been good for me.♥ 1source record 3453
I adore my pets and have many but in generally there is no easy pet. It’s almost like caring for a child, you feed them, you comfort them, you take them out to play, they need the doctor and to have their poop cleaned. I can’t count how many times I’ve been throw up on, knocked over, scratched, etc. a lot of carrying for pets is hard and not. However just like children, when you love them you do it anyway and it doesn’t damper your affection towards them. Some of your dog’s behavior can definitely be worked on to make cohabitation easier but bonding is a huge factor. Even the most perfect dog take a lot of effort so if you aren’t emotionally invested the process is way more stressful♥ 1source record 3457
There are definitely negatives to owning a dog. But to me, the positives far outweigh them. When I went a year between dogs, my life felt really empty. I enjoy the lifestyle of it... And i obviously enjoy having a little creature that I love at home. Imo the worst part of pet ownership is when they're sick. Most of your problems could be solved with more training, picking a different breed or managing a condition differently. But i understand it's not for everyone and I respect the self awareness and bravery to say this♥ 1source record 3479
As someone who has had four legged friends his entire life I am amazed at dog owners behavior I see my entire life. I currently have three dogs that I have rescued one from a crack house and one from the street that flagged me down in an intersection and my oldest 19 years old was from the pound and head over 100 ticks on him I had to pull off. It's not easy but it's very rewarding if you are up for the task.♥ 1source record 3503
Do you ever take the dog on runs? Your back yard area doesn’t have to be full of shit. Dog owning is definitely a huge commitment and becomes a lifestyle to do it “right”, though. I personally love owning a high energy dog because it forces me to go on daily hikes when id rather be lazy. Kept me in shape and we went almost everywhere together♥ 1source record 3505
I can't agree. Lol my dude is 18..and I'm terrified of losing him. He has been a literal joy to be with. When he was little he was insane. But as he grew up he became very chill. I'm going to be absolutely devastated when that day comes. You know what does suck owning a home. I'm constantly fixing shit and dealing with shit. Its exhausting.♥ 1source record 3520
i always thought this about dogs. i am terribly afraid of them as one of my cats was attacked as a kitten. i never wanted them because they're so much higher maintenance than cats. well, this year, a german shepard/husky mix found her way to me and she completely changed my life. she is easy to love in every way- in all the ways her previous people thought she was 'too much.' she is older and fully trained so that takes a lot off my plate and i would never get a puppy, but i just wonder how people grow to hate their dogs. that's really sad to me.♥ 1source record 3538
Yes, it does. But it's also totally awesome♥ 1source record 3550
I’d agree with you there’s a lot that sucks about owning a dog, a lot, but my dog who has since passed, literally saved my life. I now have 2x GSD who drive me f\*\*\* nuts, but they keep me active & keep me company♥ 1source record 3557
For me all that bullshit is 1000% worth it. My dogs make my life better every.single.day. They put a smile on my face, give me a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Give me a reason to sing, laugh. The unconditional love they give that a human (or dare I say) cat cannot provide is so special. A bad day at work? Whose smiling to see you. Theres no arguments, drama.. I'd rather clean some dog shit after work than get in an argument with a family member, or clean up after another human who doesn't appreciate it. 😉♥ 1source record 3571
Very true, however a dog is the best thing you can ever get♥ 1source record 3585
No, it slaps. Source: I have sickly pets and it’s still worthwhile.♥ 1source record 3597
Having a dog makes us understand what care and responsibility is. Apart from a million other things. OP is just through a phase.♥ 1source record 3624
I no longer have mine... and life has gotten quiet. But she was great... yes there were times I had to leave early from events... and there were times I chose to leave early and used her as my exit visa. But you are right they are dependent on us but they give so much more than they take. And you always see something until it is no longer there.♥ 1source record 3708
Its all worth it for a best friend who loves you unconditionally♥ 1source record 3722
I love my dog with all my heart and soul. Yes, he is a lot of work but I have come to terms with it and enjoy every moment with him. Having my own personal dog really opened my eyes to having a child someday. It has prepared me for this next journey in my life.♥ 1source record 3766
It really speaks to how much we value the companionship of dogs, when objectively most everything else is a downside. Aside from working dogs of course.♥ 1source record 3888
Yeah it can be hard work, but i wouldnt trade it for anything. I trained my pup to fit into my everyday life, and she’s an angel. Never lounges at other dogs, she doesnt even care about other dogs or people for that matter, she’s great offleash and on the leash i barely notice she’s there. Almost never pulls. She truly is my bestfriend, and i love hiking with her. My life has gotten so much better since i got her♥ 1source record 3925
Im reading this right as my dog comes over to cuddle unprompted. They absolutely can suck sometimes and right after we got her my husband and I went through a period I now call post puppy depression where we absolutely regretted her. But now? She fills us with joy and laughter when though some days are rough and its hard to take care of her. Pet insurance has helped my stress levels go down. And once we learned how much training helps them be better dogs and honestly more chill life started getting easier!♥ 1source record 3930
The amount of love and companionship I got from my dog completely eclipsed any of the responsibilities of taking care of her. It sounds like you're not really bonded with your dog, and so yea, at that point it probably just does feel like a lot of work and not a lot of reward.♥ 1source record 3948
yes, they are, though our first was not a choice, our neighbour’s mum’s dog had a litter and we were offered one. Initially, I was against him because I wanted a bigger dog. Minis don’t realise they’re small dogs do they! I was quite taken aback by this post and comments…..that’s why I commented. Being a dog guardian was the best, not having one by my side, is, well, I don’t feel complete.♥ 1source record 3963
Yeah definitely an unpopular opinion. I love my dog and don't mind the inconvenience for what I get in return.♥ 1source record 4001
It's worth it.♥ 1source record 4020
I just got a puppy and a lot of this resonates. It’s all worth it when I bring him on my bed at the end of the day to sleep with me for a bit. I think my dad never liked dogs too much, but I know he absolutely adores how our dog treats the grandkids and how our previous dogs treated me and the siblings♥ 1source record 4023
Yep. They aren’t for some people and that’s okay. My dogs a big, clingy, messy, loud, pooping, and expensive but I wouldn’t have it any other way.♥ 1source record 4038
I have 3 dogs - a 6 year old black lab mix, a 2 year old blue heeler & an 8 month old chocolate lab mix. There are definitely moments where I get frustrated with them, but I love owning them and think I will always be a dog owner. That being said, I’m getting married in April and me and my fiancé do want to start trying for a baby right away, so my only worry is adding children into the mix! I love them so much though I wouldn’t have it any other way!♥ 1source record 4057
Not negating what you say in any way as I agree, it can be extra, but you will miss her sorely when she's gone. My mum had two labs, I'd get pissed off with them at times. They were mums pride though so you just go to the next room. I miss them so much now, it's the energy, that specific derpiness that is them. Wish you and your family well and I hope she learns to be the dog you need rn while you have the little one running about 💯🙏✌️♥ 1source record 4066
I think people who don’t want to be responsible for another being probably just shouldn’t have dogs, or any pets for that matter. Like yeah sometimes it’s a little annoying and overstimulating but I would choose this every day over not having an animal companion. Plus I actually enjoy taking care of them. I love it when I take my dog out for a walk because it gives us a chance to bond and I hope I’m able to make my dude feel loved and cared for. Or I love it when I refill my cats’ food bowl and they come running because it’s such a privilege to be able to provide for them and see them excited. And on the topic of attention, I’ve fully accepted that I’m my dog’s body pillow any time we’re in bed. And yeah, it’s annoying sometimes bc he’s huge and takes up way more room that he should but it’s also kinda my favorite moment of the day and I get sad when I have to get out of bed and cease the snuggles. So yeah if you’re not into all of this, every day, I think pet ownership just isn’t for you.♥ 1source record 4082
Damn. I love my dog and would do all the puppy years again for her. She has a really sensitive tummy so there have been some really looooong nights (including the last 2 nights 🫩 and she’s an almost 5yr golden retriever) but I find the unconditional love so worth it. Humans truly do not deserve dogs - and I think I lucked out in the good doggo lottery.♥ 1source record 4104
I can't relate, my dogs are the best part of my life. But appreciate when other people have enough awareness to know when it isn't for them.♥ 1source record 4139
Definitely a hot take. To me dogs are the best creation ever besides humans. Nothing is perfect, but they are close. There’s nothing tangible on this Earth that will ever love you as purely as a dog.♥ 1source record 4165
It's not for everyone. I love my girl and would do it again in a heartbeat. It's love that comes with work.♥ 1source record 4299
I lost my girl 2 weeks ago suddenly. I would give my life to have just 1 day with her. She was family. We take them for granted but their unconditional love and the bond they form with you will never be felt again. They love you on your best days and love you the same on your worst. Cherish your time with them. Take them out even if you’re tired. Make time for them. They’re only here for a short while but they will be one of the best chapters of your life. You need to put time into them like you do your family. Some people shouldn’t own dogs or any animals let alone have kids. Always pick up after your dog the moment they go. You can teach them not to eat random things off the ground. You can also teach them to be gentle, not to chase, to walk without a leash and so on. They get smarter as they age.♥ 1source record 4319
it really depends on your lifestyle and that is 100% okay. Like my dog gets to come to work with me and I walk her around the neighborhood and just bag and go. Like she is a little bit of an anchor but just takes more planning for trips/weekends. I love her though and she has given SO much to my life any downsides are 100% outweighed♥ 1source record 4375
I watched a video on how looking into a dog's eyes can have the same affect to them and to you that you'd have when you look into a new born babies eyes. Can't remember the chemical in the brain but yeah. It's a pretty popular YouTube video I'm sure you'd find if you search "why we love dogs" or something That's kinda the affect I get when I look at my boy. It's genuine love. We cuddle and hug it out all the time. He's a 60kg rottweiler. He's a gentle giant at home and to any guests. He's a goof ball and I love him. There's of course maintenance involved in looking after a dog and getting them to a mature age can be annoying but it's worth it if you wair it out. My boy chewed walls, baseboard, stairs, dug holes, chewed clothes, chewed shoes... but then stopped as he became an adult. Now he's my bestie. Plus he's a guardian. And that's priceless. I can go for a week on a work trip and know my wife is safe at home because she's got a 60kg powerhouse protecting her. And on walks she's equally safe. That just makes me love him even more. He protects those I care about. Dogs are mans best friend and I love them all.♥ 1source record 4383
My dog is definitely a handful, but I wouldn't trade her for anything. Waking up and seeing this snoozing pile of happiness makes it all worth♥ 1source record 4391
Hard work in the beginning, but at around the 6 or 7 year mark, you start to feel like you wouldnt have it any other way♥ 1source record 4412
I always had a dog at home, ever since I was a kid. Grew up, got married and my own kids. I always resisted getting a dog, but not because of hte responsibility / work, but because of the bond they form with you and the family. Until one day I caved in. We got this semi-stray mongrel's puppy. We had her for 15 years, responsibilities etc, but the love and care she gave back to us all especially to the kids growing up was priceless. She passed unecpectedly last November. A very sad day for us. We grieved and decided that we won't get another dog. All was well until last Wednesday when a guy had to put up his dog for adoption because of issues with the landlord, so here we go again with a super silly fluffy and clumsy excuse of a dog. A dog in the home will change you.♥ 1source record 4457
Dogs are A LOT of work. Work that I willing put in because if it wasn’t for them I wouldn’t be here.♥ 1source record 4463
Not everyone is meant to be a dog parent. I love every minute of being a dog mom. I’m on vacation rn and I miss him sooo much.♥ 1source record 4520
My Belgian Malinois has been the biggest blessing in my life. I’ve been single for most of his 9 year life, and yes, it’s hard, yes it’s a lot of responsibility, you can’t travel when you want to, but what an incredible thing to have an animal who is loyal, fun, athletic. He keeps me in good shape, he knows when I’ve had a bad day, is always there for me. We don’t deserve dogs. 🐕❤️♥ 1source record 4562
It’s a way of life for sure. But I think the reward is worth it.♥ 1source record 4638
The attachment to dogs doesn’t just come from the cinematic moments and cuddles, it’s also the time, effort, energy and everything else in between invested in caring for them. It starts to occupy a portion of your life that’s hard to acknowledge till they are no longer there and you feel that absence they filled. The hard walks in unforgiving weather, late night pukes or diarrhea clean ups etc become distant memories compared to the good moments with them.♥ 1source record 4663
Dogs can be a pain in the arse and very stressful but when they are gone you'll miss all of those inconveniences and just want them to greet you at the door like youve been gone for years and look up at you with that unconditional love like you are the best thing in their life just one more time.♥ 2source record 4668
It’s a lot of work! I’ve been waiting for the right conditions to get a dog. My kid is getting older, I’m going to move in with a partner who already has a dog…and we’re gonna get a second one! I’m so excited! I’ve waited YEARS for this!♥ 1source record 4679
Eh I don't mind it. Builds discipline and responsibility.♥ 1source record 4710
I have two kids and two dogs and enjoy the responsibility♥ 1source record 4744
I grew up with, and was pretty much raised by dogs... I literally can not imagine my life without a dog by my side... Dogs are better than most people imo...♥ 0source record 4748
Dogs don't lie. Don't won't steal from you. They won't pretend to be your friend and talk shit behind your back. Dogs only want one thing, and it is love.♥ 1source record 4750
I hear ya. I have two big dogs and having to feed, walk, groom, clean up after, and maintain their health can be overwhelming at times but the unconditional love that i get from them is well worth the trade offs. Im gonna be devastated when they’re gone despite the many freedoms that I’ll have once that happens. I hope it never happens.♥ 1source record 4761
My dog is 2 I love him but he’s it forever ♾️ my soul dog indeed. I get your pain♥ 1source record 4787
It sucked but the love that he gave me for 12 years was well worth the time and money sacrifice. Sometimes I would get mad then I would have to slow down and remind myself that he is just a dog and he doesn’t have the longest life here. I tried to give him the best world I could and I have no regrets. I still miss him and the memories I made. I had a purebred Labrador. He was healthy one moment and it was all taken in such a short period of time. Enjoy it while you can. Idk if I’ll get another dog anytime soon but I miss the. Companionship♥ 1source record 4813
I would literally die for my dog. This is an excellent post for this sub.♥ 1source record 4821
Here is the thing... I looked it up, and it already is a thing. It is already happening. And, what is funny is he has weirdly growled at folks over the years - our only lab of 3 who have ever growled at anyone who wasn't first aggressive with us. When we tried to link up the behaviour with those growled at we couldn't figure it out - until we realized the folks we personally knew that he growled at each had freaking cancer! Now, it could be a coincidence and I would have laughed it off 2 months ago - but now????♥ 1source record 4891
Yup. They know your scent, and they know when you scent changes in a way they are not used to. When you have cancer, you release volatile organic compounds (VOCs). If the relative concentrations are off in a dramatic and new way, dogs will respond. For a high one, look into a dog's olfactory system in the brain. It occupies much of the same space in the brain as a human's visual system. They smell with the same richness and texture as a human see's the world. They basically "see" smells (not really, but from a neuroscience perspective, you are using very, very similar hardware).♥ 1source record 4901
I'm just grateful she pushed thru the understandable but actually totally unwarranted embarrassment & went to see the doc about it! I definitely understand the inclination to write these types of anecdotes online as bs, but this phenomenon is well documented across a surprisingly wide range of dog breeds "diagnosing" all sorts of different medical conditions in their loved ones. Anyone who has had a dog in their life has inevitably watched them do some unbelievably stupid shit at one point or another so it can be hard to imagine they could actually detect cancerous cells developing in our bodies... But I'm glad your wife trusted your dog's instincts & hope anyone else who finds themselves in a similar situation makes an appt with their Dr as well! 🐕♥ 1source record 4909
No need for negativity. The dog was the signal without which my wife would likely be 3-6 month out from dying. The Canadian healthcare system was the organization that saw to it my wife was seen and treated IMMEDIATELY (contrary to what certain media organization peddle in other countries to discredit universal healthcare). Finally, medical science, researchers, oncologists and dermatologists are responsible for doing the work that led to my wife's treatment and outcome. Everybody is a cog in a big wheel. Nobody does anything themselves.♥ 3source record 4913
And despite this, when she was caught in a cage trap, she was licking her rescuers’ fingers through the cage bars. She will jump onto the bed and snuggle as close as she can as the little spoon. We don’t deserve dogs, but I’m grateful we have them.♥ 1source record 4982
Tbf [not saying this is the case with your friend] I have an incredible, tight-knit chosen family who I am ride or die for, but occasionally I'm in/get in a mood, or I'm not feeling like doing xyz with them so I'll use the "gotta get back to the dog" card lol - I wouldn't be surprised if they know that's the case though and just understand that's the signal my battery is low.♥ 1source record 5178
Im just (kinda) messing with you. My girlfriend and I are crazy dog people. We do dog shows and sports, so we always have between 4-6 dogs. And it definitely goes both ways. We miss out on some stuff because of the dogs like longer vacations and spontaneous road trips, but we always have an excuse to bail on stuff we dont want to do either lol. Of course you know your friend better than some idiot on reddit, but ill bet over the last 20 years, your friend has used his dog as an excuse to bail on something he didn't want to do at least once or twice.♥ 1source record 5207
I’ve used that line MANY times as an excuse to go home early from a social event 🫣♥ 1source record 5212
I know what you mean for sure - we've 'missed out' on TONS of stuff over the 35 years we've had dogs, but 95% of the time I'm very happy to do it.♥ 1source record 5213
I had a friend recently tell me they think that I should be spending more evenings doing what I want, rather than spending time with my dog. They didn't understand that spending time with my little dude is my ideal way to spend my time. He's brought me so much happiness and peace.♥ 1source record 5224
Yeah this is the comment I’m here for. I’m not missing out, because where I want to be is with my dog.♥ 1source record 5225
Your source is trust me bro. This is one of many of my sources. [link removed]♥ 1source record 5228
That source is irrelevant. You said she wanted the dog because she lives alone. In an apartment. Implying she wants the dog to protect her while she’s at home. In an apartment. Please show me stats on how many single woman suffer something a dog could prevent while at home. In an apartment.♥ 2source record 5229
Owning a dog is one of the happiest experiences in my life. You do need to take care of them and regularly show them love. But the downside is easily worth it. Unless you don't have time for affection or to take care of them.♥ 1source record 5328
My dog saved my life from scary/sketchy individuals several times when I was traveling alone or once when someone attempted to break in to my home.♥ 0source record 5340
You don't always do it for you, you do it for them. So many hundreds of millions of dogs suffer as street dogs, abandoned dogs, abused/tortured dogs. Give them a good home, and you've done one of the most rewarding things you can in life.♥ 0source record 5386
Agree the responsibilities can become overwhelming at times, but I view it as an honor to care for such a pure, life-loving, trusting creature. I know when he’s gone, I’m going to wish I can pick up his 3-poops again that he does on our walks. (Every time). The financial aspect of the “what ifs” can get me really stressed out, but I have pet insurance and fingers crossed I never have to use it.♥ -1source record 5405
Yeah this is a thread full of extroverted people here. 😂 My dream day is taking a walk with my golden retriever somewhere beautiful and then going home and watching a movie with him. Half of these comments are people who cannot understand that not everyone wants to go to a ton of social events and parties lol♥ 0source record 5442
You can google on your own, bro. The source I gave is an academic scholarly publication. Having a dog is a deterrent for criminals. My point is proven.♥ 0source record 5449
Your source has nothing to do with living alone in an apartment so no, your point isn’t proven. Animal abuse is a weird hill to die on, but you do you.♥ 0source record 5450
There are, on average, 90 people killed by dog attacks in the United States ANNUALLY. There are currently 500,000 active medical service dogs helping save humans, every single day. More people die in car crashes PER DAY than by dog attacks per year in the US. So maybe hold your fucking tongue and go do some research.♥ 5source record 5452
And the number of people, including innocent children, killed or maimed by other people will never be surpassed by the number of people killed or maimed by dogs. In fact, more people are probably helped by guide dogs, police dogs, rescue dogs etc than are hurt by dogs of all persuasions. Your arguments are bad and you should feel bad♥ 5source record 5453
What is wrong with you? I'm not even a dog person but you seem to like, hate them? The benefits of service dogs are well known. In the event that someone is having a blood sugar crash, the dog is trained to alert the owner, help them get on the floor so they don't fall and hurt themselves, and then fetch them the supplies they need like sugars, a bottle of water, their cell phone. Show me on the doll where they hurt you, lol.♥ 3source record 5469

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Why readers chose it: 107 records giving the same instruction, and it is the most upvoted single piece of advice in the corpus. The method is uniform: go out with the dog, watch, bag it immediately, keep bags by the door. Several supply reasons that make it more than a scold — the dog will eat it if you leave it, it burns the grass, it is an E. coli hazard where a child plays, and the neighbours can smell it. The rebuttal the card receives twice is worth keeping alongside it: that not everybody is home to follow a dog out every time it goes, and that a dog with a door to the yard is not being supervised event by event.

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>I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. Take your dog on backyard walks, on a leash. Let her poop, treat her, then practice heels and sits for 15 minutes. Clean up the poop. What it costs: 15 minutes What it gains: Clean backyard better relationship with your dog. >Then there’s the clingyness. She’s sweet and does really cute stuff, but some days she just will not leave me alone. My two-year-old and I love to play chase, and she has cleaned him out multiple times trying to join in. Luckily, my boy is built bigger than most kids his age and just laughs it off, but this dog physically does not understand how to chill the fuck out when the playing doesn't involve her. You have to teach dogs how to play the way you want them to play. Dogs are genetically built to look to humans for social cues. They are going to do what you want, it gives them more pleasure than eating and sex. It's up to you as a responsible dog owner to figure out how to communicate with your dog. Yelling at them will not solve the problem. Getting frustrated is going to make your issues worse, because your dog knows you are irritated during the play, but it doesn't know why. It's doing what you are doing, so it's doing the right thing. That annoyance on your part confuses the dog and sends it mixed signals. That builds anxiety and will (not might, WILL) manifest in other behavior, like increased reactivity or food aggression. You need to learn how to dog dude.

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I’ve had dogs for over 15 years and have never had a trail of shit in my yard because I pick it up right after they go, it’s not that hard. Also, if your dog has a hard time pooping than it might have a medical issue to which you are ignoring. This is a living being for gods sakes. Give them some pumpkin and if that doesn’t work then take them to the vet. Also, the dog’s bad behavior is a direct reflection on you with lack of training and attentiveness. Not here for this take and I hope your dog is loved by someone else in your household because you sound like a complete asshole.

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If you pick up the dog’s waste after they use the bathroom then you won’t step on it. If the dog is having a hard time pooping then you need to adjust their diet.

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It 's easy to point out the difficult parts of owning a dog, but the positive qualities more than make up for it. I'd say if you are stepping in dog waste outside your dog is actually well trained and you need to do a better job of cleaning up your property. Part of the reason owners want a dog is because they show unconditional love. if you find a dog to clingy I think the problem is with your ability to express empathy. The good thing about your opinion is that you realize that you shouldn't be responsible for owning a pet. it's better to acknowledge this now than after you get a dog and later give it up.

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You’re just irresponsible. A) pick up the shit when the dog shits. Then you won’t step on it. B) my dog has never, ever, ever, tried to eat off of my plate. Because she’s trained. Train the fucking dog instead of embarrassing yourself.

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If you pick up the dog’s waste after they use the bathroom then you won’t step on it. If the dog is having a hard time pooping then you need to adjust their diet.♥ 1,483source record 322
Ngl man i’ve owned dogs my whole life so maybe it’s something more natural, but you just don’t sound like a dog person or someone responsible enough to have a dog. For example, you don’t have to worry about stepping on dog shit in my yard because I clean it.♥ 130source record 387
Nobody tell bro that they can watch the dog go shit & then pick it up, instead of just leaving it to fester in the grass. Probably too much “work” though♥ 8source record 418
Not picking up your dogs shit is a clear indicator of being a bad owner. That has nothing to do with the dogs behavior.♥ 24source record 450
Can't step on it if you pick it up right away , which OP does not seem to do, like ever. And if the dog is shitting in the backyard all the time then it sounds like that dog barely gets walked either♥ 11source record 451
Maybe.. pick up the dog shit?♥ 15source record 466
Yikes... Honestly it sounds like you didn't get the right dog breed for you. At least, I'm glad my dog can be chill, doesn't eat anything he sees,and doesn't have digestive upset like this. Also if the poop is that bad, might be a good idea to be present with your dog outside so you can pick it up as soon as you notice it's there.♥ 5source record 475
Yes and no. If you let your dog run wild in the back yard and shit everywhere that kinda on you.♥ 2source record 873
There is this. And it’s a little mind blowing to read the end of the initial post and have the poster mention having a child. Like, tell us without telling us you didn’t enjoy diaper duty. Nobody does, it’s part of caring for another life. Walking over dog shit in the yard? Perhaps somebody in the house should consider not just letting the dog run loose in the yard unsupervised to relieve herself. My wife and I bought a house and fenced the yard into a smaller sub yard for the dog. But we still go out with her and clean up with a bag and we took her on a walk. And she’s a chihuahua mix so the squatty death march poop trail is always part of the experience. And yeah, they are clingy. Animal scientists have said they have the emotional intelligence of toddlers to very young children, so they are clinging. Honestly, OP are you telling me your kid never caused any of these problems? Now look. I grew up with dogs (but my parents paid the bills of course), and my first pet was a stray cat I took in at 33 years of age and had for 14 years. She was easy and inexpensive. My wife wanted a dog. We got one. We also spent between 7 and 9 thousand dollars in year one between adoption fees, general vet bills, supplies and two instances of our little dummy trying to prove non-food items CAN be fooded. My dad laughed and reminded me that he said it was a level of expensive I had not considered because dogs excel at injuring themselves and making bad decision. So I get it. And I get it wasn’t your dog, but still.♥ 1source record 1546
Same way people deal with changing babies nappies. You ... just accept it as a responsibility and get on with it. It's not exactly a nice job, and never will be, but ...♥ 3source record 1595
I mean my dog has a doggy door and free access to poop when he pleases. Not everyone is available 24/7 to pick up their dogs shit the second they go. What a ridiculous comment.♥ 4source record 1619
Right so much complaining, my dog had a routine, I know when is poop pick up time, those are responsibilities of owning a dog. Etc…♥ 1source record 1812
Dog popping in the backyard isn’t even a problem. This owner just sucks.♥ 2source record 1881
It’s not really much different than changing a baby diaper. You perform caregiving services for those you love even when it’s kinda gross. I love my dogs and I respect my neighbors so I pick up the poop. It grosses me out the whole time, I’m not immune, I just do it because it needs doing. Valid that you don’t want to do it, totally fine, just saying it’s not that we feel differently about the poop. Poop is still gross even if you love the little drooling snuggle goblin producing it.♥ 1source record 1903
I’m curious why it was such a problem that the dog ate a slug. And how would the vet “fix it?” No vet is going to perform surgery to remove a slug. Also, picking up after your dog saves you the random poop in the backyard. If their poop is really that runny, something about their food needs to be changed. But overall, yeah I think you just don’t like dogs.♥ 2source record 2037
There's a very simple solution to problems 1 & 2... Don't let them free roam outside...♥ 2source record 2068
first: ya, taking on the responsibility of an animal isn’t easy. you don’t get to build an incredible bond and feel the unwavering love without being a parent. second: you sound incredibly immature and that instead of problem solving, just throw up your hands and give up. dog poop in the yard? pick it up. consistent diarrhea? clearly a diet issue. go to the vet too much energy? go to the park, take long walks. eats everything? let them. they’ll be okay for the most part. also, a little training goes a long way here. it honestly just sounds like you’re not an animal person. that’s okay. but I adopted a chihuahua daschound mix my junior year of college. 12 years later we’re still here and it was literally the best decision ive ever made in my life. he’s been here thru low lows and high highs. thru huge life changes and breakups — always here for me.♥ 2source record 2078
Yeah you're supposed to pick the dog shit up, not just go outside and stand all over it.♥ 2source record 2079
Start picking up the poo daily...no more unexpected dog bombs.♥ 2source record 2178
You should pick up immediately after your dog goes. It’s your house and you deserve to step in crap if you let it sit out there. With that said, I’m not a fan of dogs. I don’t have any trauma associated with them or anything. I just think they’re ugly compared to cats. Probably why I am a cat person. 😂♥ 3source record 2180
Have you considered not letting you dog shit in your garden♥ 1source record 2202
The first two issues are easily rectified. First. Pick up as soon as they go. Second. Eating anything and everything. That's why training is important. Clingy. That can also be attention seeking and needs more stimulation. Plus point. It doesn't sound like a high energy high drive working dog like a GSD or Mali otherwise you'd likely pull your hair out as they need a hell of a lot of time and work. Dogs are family and the time, effort and work is nothing compared to what you get in return.♥ 2source record 2245
You don’t have to worry about shit in your yard if you pick it up♥ 1source record 2335
His issue isn't he's gotta pick up poops it's the nature of the poops. You aren't reading something here. Or missing something. And his other issue is himself not picking them up so he can't walk in his own backyard. I've had multiple dogs, I walk barefoot never had an issue.♥ 2source record 2371
This really is just a manifesto on how lazy you are . Have you put in any effort on changing a diet to figure out what’s going on. I clean up after my dogs .♥ 7source record 2394
Hmmmm…your wife and MIL should be picking up the dog poop in the backyard as soon as it drops and not letting it bask in the sun. It’s kinda weird how the backyard is a land mine of poop! It prevents the dog from stepping on it and tracking it into the house, it prevents YOU from stepping on them and tracking them around on your shoe and also, your son may play in the backyard?♥ 1source record 2409
Gonna be completely honest here, I’ve never had a negative experience with my own dogs. Mine have all been well trained and do not pee or poop in the yard at all as I’ve trained them not to. Stepping in your dog’s shit is a sign of laziness lol it takes 10 seconds to pick it up and throw it away. Either clean up immediately or walk the dog instead. I’ve never ever had a dog that eats random shit off the ground but either way that is generally a training issue. I have owned dozens of pets and dogs are the easiest ones to care for but I know some people just can’t handle even small amounts of responsibility when it comes to animals. Your wife and her grandma suck at training dogs and it needs a better diet.♥ 1source record 2419
I’ve had dogs for over 15 years and have never had a trail of shit in my yard because I pick it up right after they go, it’s not that hard. Also, if your dog has a hard time pooping than it might have a medical issue to which you are ignoring. This is a living being for gods sakes. Give them some pumpkin and if that doesn’t work then take them to the vet. Also, the dog’s bad behavior is a direct reflection on you with lack of training and attentiveness. Not here for this take and I hope your dog is loved by someone else in your household because you sound like a complete asshole.♥ 1source record 2436
Here’s an idea..what if you cleaned up the dog’s shit? Like, when the dog shits you simply clean it up? And if you clean it up right afterwards it never becomes a big deal because it doesn’t accumulate unless you let it! And that pesky dog ruining your game of chase with your son? Maybe play a game with your son that doesn’t trigger the dog into doing exactly what it was bred to do?♥ 1source record 2445
So... you know you can pick up the poop, right?♥ 1source record 2449
It sounds like the humans are not doing their job (twice daily pick up of poop) and th dog may not be a good fit for your particular family. A soul dog is an unparalleled joy. Literally unparalleled. Not a burden, just an ocean of love and a joy. And then their the similarly massive grief when they die, so.♥ 2source record 2562
Its hard if the owner is shitty. Pick up the dog shit!♥ 1source record 2576
>**"First off, the shitting. My god. I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. I’ve stepped on dog shit more times than I can count. On top of that, she has a hard time pooping, so instead of one spot, she leaves a whole trail of shit across the grass. Finding it all requires a full scan of the entire yard, or I’m guaranteed to get gross poop on my shoes. And if I miss it one time and it rains? Holy hell, I’m stuck cleaning up a disgusting pool of pure gross."** You have no clue WTF you're doing. This is not a complicated issue that you seem to be making out of it. (1) Pay attention to where the dog shits. Then clean it up; either immediately or over a few sessions. If you are constantly stepping in dog shit, that's sort of your problem not your dog's. Learn to not step in dog shit. I've owned dogs for years and years and don't ever step in dog shit. (2) If your dog is having difficulty pooping, this is due to WTF you are feeding it. The kibble or canned food or whatever you are feeding your dog does not contain enough fiber. Add soe cooked green beans or spinach or something to your dog's food. OR find another dog food. OR find a supplement that helps with health issues. You can also add things like plain greek yogurt, as it might not be a direct lack of fiber issue and more of a gut health problem. >(3) Do some research about nutrition, it's not complicated to take 5 minutes and google this stuff instead of crying on Reddit about how you hate dogs. You sound more like you don't like having pets in general than you sound like you are trying to resolve whatever problems you are having. >**"Secondly, they are fragile as fuck and have zero self-awareness. This dog will approach and try to eat anything, no matter how dodgy it looks. She literally ate a damn slug off the patio, and my wife and her grandma had to pay out the ass at the vet to fix it."** This sounds like you haven't worked with and trained your dog to not eat random stupid "shit". My dog walks off leash and stays with me, and rarely eats things like spilled or dropped food, because I've taught it to leave that sort of thing alone. Real simple to add a command anytime your dog looks like it's about to eat something then redirect its attention. Do this enough times and the dog will leave whatever it is alone on command instead of having to be physically redirected. You do ned to started by hvaing them on leash while doing this, and redirecting their attention by gently pulling them away from wtf ever it is that has their attention. >**"Then there’s the clingyness. She’s sweet and does really cute stuff, but some days she just will not leave me alone. My two-year-old and I love to play chase, and she has cleaned him out multiple times trying to join in. Luckily, my boy is built bigger than most kids his age and just laughs it off, but this dog physically does not understand how to chill the fuck out when the playing doesn't involve her."** Again, this is not the dog's fault; THIS IS ON YOU!! You can put the dog in a crate or separate the dog out into a separate space, or IDK .. Train your dog better. But just having a free for all means that the dog is part of the gorup/family and will always join in when the other members of their group are doing something that looks fun and enjoyable. AGAIN THIS SOUNDS LIKE you simply don't want a dog, and haven;t bothered to learn about something you brought into your life. There is a difference between "owning a dog" as if you own a couch and jus expecting the dog to do dog things over in the corner and beig a dog peson or dog family and integrating the dog into the group. You don;t seem to be interested in this, and really neither does your wife or her grandma. You really should take a weekend and think through and decide if you really wnat to put in the effort to better train your dog and integrate it better into your family OR go find a home for the dog thaqt will do that for the dog instead of you all. >**"EDIT: love the conversation and great insight from everyone! Just to be clear, the dog isnt neglected. My wife and her grandmother put a lot of effort into taking care of her, going on walks, vet visits and such. I’m just saying when that responsibility falls on me it sucks. I would never do it by myself."** I never got neglect from your earlier commentary, I read you have your family has a lack of education about ownig a dog and what work and effort needs to be put into having a well integrated dog. Go edcuate yourselves better, speak iwth your vet about the dog's diet. Engage in better training, yes dogs can be trained at any age, you or whoever just have to put in the work and effort instead of thinking that having a dog is something that can be put on autopilot. IDK if this is your family, but seriously some folks just don't need to ever own dogs (or pets).♥ 1source record 2609
If you go out with them and pick up their poo, you never have a gross lawn. That’s what I do, it isn’t hard and it allows you to monitor the health of your pet. Based off your story it doesn’t seem like you even like your dog if you get annoyed that it follows you around. Personally my dog is my everything and her bringing me toys while I’m literally on the toilet brings me joy. Her wanting to be near me always is special to me. All dogs don’t eat random stuff off the ground too. Mine would never. Won’t even drink out of a public water bowl.♥ 1source record 2629
fair complaints for the most part but you know you can (and probably should) clean up the poop in the yard lol♥ 2source record 2644
A person with any sense would only step on poop IN THEIR OWN DAMN YARD one time. Yeah, it doesn't magically disappear, it requires removel. If you step on it a second time its because you are an idiot.♥ 2source record 2662
Clean up the shit lol. This shouldn’t hard. scoop or pick it up daily. Your dogs diet sucks if she’s dragging her butt and has a hard time/straining . She needs better food and hydration. Train your dog. Go to training classes. Learn commands so the dog doesn’t eat stuff or drops it and also heals, sits, lays etc. esp is there is a toddler in the house my god. Run your dog without your kid it get the energy out. Is the kid in the backyard with all this shit? This is absurd. You’re gonna have it for a while so just do it correctly.♥ 4source record 2668
You know you can pick the dog poo up right? Just take a bag out with you each time and it doesn't build up. And if you don't like picking up dog poo think long and hard before having a baby♥ 1source record 2683
I’ve had dogs for the last 30 years and I think I’ve stepped in shit twice in my life and never in my own yard. Have you considered cleaning the yard?♥ 1source record 2686
Maybe try picking up your dog’s shit? Hope this helps♥ 1source record 2825
Credentialed trainer here. The good news is, these are all extremely normal and easily fixable behaviors. You’re going through the puppy blues, and this will pass with age and basic training. Don’t like stepping in poop? Pick it up after your dog goes, even if it’s annoying. Keep a roll of poop bags on your porch. It doesn’t have to be any more annoying than any other simple yard chore, and it makes a big difference. Second, no one that was remotely familiar with dogs would suggest bringing a hound mix into a home with an old woman and a toddler. It actually sounds like your dog is doing very well, given it’s age and environment. Next, look into muzzle training. It’s very straight forward. “Grazing” is common in hound breeds, but if they’re happy roaming in a cage muzzle, they can spend way more time alone in their yard, which they love. Clinginess in also comment with the breed (at least with specific people). When we turned wolves into hound dogs, the purpose was for them to travel away from us, either to retrieve or lead us to prey. They dogs we chose for breeding were particular enough to their person, that they would follow their insane scent abilities to food, and then bring that food back to their human. So the bad news is your dog was born with certain intrinsic drive. The good news is they are food motivated, and easy to train once you understand their breed and personality.♥ 1source record 2880
You gotta pick up the shit. It doesn’t just magically de spawn.♥ 1source record 2937
The first complaint blows my mind. You mean OP would rather walk in shit and complain about it than just fucking pick up the dog crap in his yard? Lol♥ 1source record 3074
If you pick up the poop after she's done, you don't have to worry about stepping in it♥ 1source record 3120
Novel concept don’t let your dog shit in your yard without immediately picking it up. Tbh most of these things are just having a dog. It just seems like you’re not a dog person, and that’s okay. Nothing you said here was groundbreaking or misunderstood by any person who has/had a dog.♥ 1source record 3170
\- pick up the dog poop outside or pay for pooper scoopers \- get your dog exercise so it’s tired and doesn’t need constant attention \- dogs love chase, play chase with your son without the dog around? \- change the dogs food and make sure not to give it people food Since you didn’t adopt the dog, you could ask the grandma to pay for these things or your wife…♥ 1source record 3236
Training puppies is hard, as for the poop in backyard I suggest picking it up lol then you won't step in it......pretty simple.♥ 1source record 3237
I mean my dogs hold their poops for walks cause they know their getting one so there barely any poop in the yard, and if they do use the yard i just watch them and insta pick it up so yard stays clean, skill issue on ur part tbh maybe walk the dog....♥ 1source record 3248
>I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. Take your dog on backyard walks, on a leash. Let her poop, treat her, then practice heels and sits for 15 minutes. Clean up the poop. What it costs: 15 minutes What it gains: Clean backyard better relationship with your dog. >Then there’s the clingyness. She’s sweet and does really cute stuff, but some days she just will not leave me alone. My two-year-old and I love to play chase, and she has cleaned him out multiple times trying to join in. Luckily, my boy is built bigger than most kids his age and just laughs it off, but this dog physically does not understand how to chill the fuck out when the playing doesn't involve her. You have to teach dogs how to play the way you want them to play. Dogs are genetically built to look to humans for social cues. They are going to do what you want, it gives them more pleasure than eating and sex. It's up to you as a responsible dog owner to figure out how to communicate with your dog. Yelling at them will not solve the problem. Getting frustrated is going to make your issues worse, because your dog knows you are irritated during the play, but it doesn't know why. It's doing what you are doing, so it's doing the right thing. That annoyance on your part confuses the dog and sends it mixed signals. That builds anxiety and will (not might, WILL) manifest in other behavior, like increased reactivity or food aggression. You need to learn how to dog dude.♥ 1source record 3258
1. clean up your back yard. i know this is a tough one. 2. its a dog, not an adult human being.. you have a toddler.. so you must know what this is like already 3. my dog loves me too much? sounds like its not getting enough exercise i think you arent a dog person, which is fine. owning a dog isnt easy. no one should have told you this.♥ 1source record 3283
These are all husbandry/training issues. You should pick up dog shit after every time it goes, I’ve never had a dog that was dumb enough to eat slugs but that sounds like perhaps a boredom/stimulation issue, and you should train them with some kind of awareness of their physical body. 2/3 of these are 100% just the result of people not putting in the time for basic stuff, but the slug thing is honestly hilarious.♥ 1source record 3311
So you dont pick up the dog poop in your back yard? Ewww♥ 1source record 3423
#1. Pick up your dogs poop with a pooper scooper. #2. Train your dog.♥ 1source record 3485
Why is your yard covered in shit? Do you not pick up the poo? Also sounds like the poor dog needs a better diet. Dogs are like having a toddler that never grows up. They’re a HUGE responsibility. It makes me sad how many people get them not realizing how much work they require only for them to get taken to the shelter or they get neglected. I have two of them. I wouldn’t trade it for the world. I don’t resent them one bit. Because that would be silly, since I’m the adult, and I’m the one who chose them.♥ 1source record 3534
Your dog is trained like shit. Not picking up after it is someone's laziness. Don't let it shit randomly everywhere in the yard. You can teach it to poop on walks, or if you must have an area it can go to the bathroom on it's own make a dog run and you won't have a yard full of landmines.♥ 1source record 3607
Maybe scoop the poop in your yard? Just maybe?♥ 1source record 3653
For you maybe. My dog shit in the pad and I wash her ass right after. She does shit in the carpet too, but vacuum carpet rinse that shit out.♥ 1source record 3684
That's part of having a dog. You need to clean up where the dog uses the yard for potty. Don't have kids please.♥ 1source record 3689
1 and 2 sound a bit like a problem of your own family's making lol. If you simply let the dog out unattended, then yes. They will shit and you won't know where the landmines in the yard are. I just go out with my dog and have bags ready. That way I can immediately pick it up after they're done and I don't have to worry about stepping in shit. Then there's eating random items. If you leave the dog outside unattended, then yeah. They will eat things and get sick. Clinginess is dependent on person. I like my dog to be my shadow but I recognize some people hate that. The silence and emptiness my previous dog left when he passed was too much for me. I think the biggest thing that sucks about dog ownership would be the cost and heartbreak when they pass one day. Everything else, I am willing to accept.♥ 1source record 3711
Your first problem can be solved by going out with the dog and picking up after it. Ya know, like most people do to keep their yard from filling with poop. Most people only leave it in rare cases when they are too busy to step out for 5 minutes. Your second issue can be solved with proper training. You can train your dog so they don't eat anything until you give them the "eat" command. Your third issue is the same as your second issue. If you train the dog to "stop" and "sit" then you can prevent this issue♥ 1source record 3738
Steps in dog shit repeatedly. Doesn’t clean up after the dog. Dog’s the problem.♥ 1source record 3740
Pick your dogs shit up dude lol♥ 1source record 3757
Your edit specifically did not say that they pick up poop, and I find that curious♥ 1source record 3782
Sounds like the breed and your approach to caring for the dog. My dog is 11 years old. I make effort to pick up his poop 'Everyday', if it rains, wait for it to dry and pick it up. It seems you make it hard for yourself.♥ 1source record 3815
Omg I have to pick up dog shit to prevent stepping on it or feed her a normal diet so she doesn’t get diarrhea? Ffs♥ 1source record 3848
"My dog shits too much" is crazy. Did you think it was going to go in the toilet or somethin??♥ 1source record 3866
It's also not like poop is super hard to spot either, unless it's snow or super tall grass.♥ 1source record 3867
You’re just irresponsible. A) pick up the shit when the dog shits. Then you won’t step on it. B) my dog has never, ever, ever, tried to eat off of my plate. Because she’s trained. Train the fucking dog instead of embarrassing yourself.♥ -6source record 3907
If you exercise your dog, train it, and actually pick up after it, none of this is an issue. It's actually laughable how you thought you could get an animal and get by doing nothing except feeding it and letting it outside.♥ 1source record 3920
I love that the first issue you listed is just your own laziness. You let your dog shit freely in the backyard without watching her and are surprised that it magically doesn’t pick itself up. Take your dog out, spend time with your dog, and then pick up da poops as they come home slice♥ 1source record 3944
I’m not going to argue there aren’t downsides to owning a dog. My dog can be extremely frustrating and they definitely require a lot of attention. But you can literally just pick up the dog shit and you won’t have to worry about stepping in it and all of your other complaints are just a lack of training.♥ 1source record 3949
So a big concern is you don’t take care of your yard and walk in poop? Gross dude. Take care of your stuff. It takes like 2 minutes a day to pick up after your dog♥ 1source record 3987
Sounds like your unpopular opinion is actually "I prefer to leave dog shit in my backyard instead of picking it up right away"♥ 1source record 4000
My brother in Christ, pick up the poop (with poo bags) and throw it away♥ 1source record 4019
news flash - you’re supposed to pick up your dogs poop so you don’t step on it ….♥ 1source record 4025
You can pick up the poopies immediately when she lays em down and that solves your poop prob♥ 1source record 4030
It kinda sounds like you’re not a great dog owner. First of all you need to pick your dogs shit up in your backyard, they have a tool where you don’t even need to bend over. And your dog loves you and can sense you don’t really want her, they have emotions just like us and no one wants to be homeless. The best thing to do is find a good home for her because most animal owners love their dogs too much to ever go online and start bitching so much. I feel more sorry for your dog than you.♥ 1source record 4041
Why is there dog poop in the backyard? When the dog poops, owner is supposed to pick it up, right?♥ 1source record 4155
being a shitry dog owner who owns a dog sucks. Having a dog and being a good owner is the best thing. raising my pup was the best 12 years of my life and the lost fuffiling. cant wait to do it again. like imagine your family did this crazy thing. Pick up ur dogs shit. Maybe tske it for a walk so it doesn't shit in the backyard.♥ 1source record 4163
Jeez, just pick up right after the dog when it shits,. Don't let it just roam and crap wherever and whenever. Not that complicated.♥ -3source record 4178
The shitting is a you problem. Pick up the poop daily.♥ 1source record 4182
Pretty easy solutions to every issue here.. Instead of free range shitting, install a temporary fence area in the back yard where the dog is allowed to shit. Put a soft muzzle on the dog if eating unwanted things is truly an issue. Leave the dog in the house when you and your kid are chasing eachother. You are welcome♥ 1source record 4233
It 's easy to point out the difficult parts of owning a dog, but the positive qualities more than make up for it. I'd say if you are stepping in dog waste outside your dog is actually well trained and you need to do a better job of cleaning up your property. Part of the reason owners want a dog is because they show unconditional love. if you find a dog to clingy I think the problem is with your ability to express empathy. The good thing about your opinion is that you realize that you shouldn't be responsible for owning a pet. it's better to acknowledge this now than after you get a dog and later give it up.♥ 1source record 4257
1. pick up the poop every day or two. Then you won't have to worry about stepping in it. 2. this is what houndy type dogs are like, not all dogs.♥ 1source record 4282
Very much agreed. So many of these issues could be avoided by just managing the dog appropriately. I work with dogs and often sit dogs at my home. It's so easy to just clean up after they go potty, I've never been unable to walk barefoot in my own yard. A lot of this behavioral stuff is also breed specific but could absolutely be motivated by proper management and training.♥ -3source record 4348
I am sorry but this just screams that you are a questionable dog owner. You dont pick up the poop right after she/he poops, then complain you step in it. You say your dog poops weird, but have you considered changing their diet or maybe taking he/she to a vet? These comments are equally as disappointing. Some people are truly not meant to be dog owners and it seriously shows.♥ 1source record 4359
As someone who has had and bred dogs my whole life, heres my take Firstly: youre supposed to wait while the dog shits and pick it up not just let it outside to roam around on its own and do its business. Be reaponsible for your dog. Is it just outside unsupervised all the time? Cos thats bad dog ownership. Secondly: regarding eating dangerous stuff, sounds like you have either a puppy or a particularly stupid breed of dog, or just teeribly trained.. Same goes for the not being able to poop properly - sounds like an overbred breed or inbreeding to me. Adult dogs of proper breeding and trained well dont really go around eating random shit for no reason. Thirdly: on being clingy and not knowing his strength - well dogs can be clingy i guess but a well trained dog will leave you alone when told to and a properly raised dog shouldnt be too needy or have seperation anxiety. And they generally know to be gentle with little ones. Sounds like you and your wife and her grandmother just bought a random dog without looking into its history or training and now you are surprised that it takes effort and work to train a dog? Even if a dog has been raised properly you still need to reinforce the training. I guess thats what you were saying about being naive about it. Its true, a dog is a huge step up responsibility wise from a fish or a hamster, or even a cat. Having a dog and being a responsible dog owner and training it properly is, i would say, not too far of a step down from actual parenting. In the sense that you have to shape this creature into a 'good' dog or person, and that is a constant responsibilty that you never really can have a break from. Its not just making sure it has food water and walks. So many people who get dogs dont understand this. Id say that 95% of dog owners ive ever met dont train their dog properly♥ 1source record 4473
Wild I just pick up the dog poop and tell my dog don't eat that and she doesn't. Tbh I feel like you should be able to leave a steak within reach, tell your dog to leave it, and be able to walk away.♥ 1source record 4498
As a non dog owner with a lot of dog owning friends - the dog follows the behaviors of the human in a way humans don’t want to admit. That dog is not getting enough play if it loses it when someone else plays, or it needs to be taught how to play with kids safely. The poop should be picked up by humans immediately - or created a smaller space just for poops with a smaller gate and train the dog to poop in the smaller area. Keeps the rest of your yard clean. Neglected this dog is not, but maybe not getting the type of attention and stimulation it needs might be more accurate. Well stimulated dogs don’t freak out when others play unless they are a breed that needs constant movement and play. No two dogs are alike, but breeds matter. Look up what your breed or breed mix needs. You also should look into pet insurance because those vet visits for surprise eats get paid for. One visit reimbursement covered my annual premium. Dogs are a lot of work and can require the attention of raising a child.♥ 1source record 4518
I mean...you could just pick up the dog shit instead of letting it accumulate to the point of stepping in it. Or, ya know, walk the dog and pick it up right then. As far as dogs being fragile idk...my dogs have eaten a lot worse than a slug and been totally fine. Also done a lot of dumb shit that would.habe landed a person (especially a child) in the ER and also been fine. Worst thing is finding someone to babysit if you wanna go on vacation. Assuming you don't have family that like dogs.♥ 1source record 4586
Brother you are supposed to clean up the dog shit as it happens. Yard or no yard, what the fuck are you doing.♥ 1source record 4617
First problem - you caused it, pick up after your dog. If you're scared of dog poop in the yard, pick up after it. Second problem - if you keep an eye on a dog, which you should as a base responsibility, it won't eat shit it shouldn't eat. Seems like the majority of the big problems you have with dogs is as a result of the owners not being responsible. Amazing how you seem to hate the responsibility of owning dogs while not even doing the bare minimum responsibility. Imagine how much you'd hate it if you actually were a responsible owner.♥ 1source record 4636
Bruh just sounds entitled. Dog is creature that is dependent on you. It's just like your toddler before he could take care of himself more. Just pick up after the dog when they go every time and you have no yard issue. Dogs are actually generally hardy and as long as you are paying attention to them they won't have many issues and the issues you are describing would be fixed with training the dog. My dog I've rescued and raised when she was a puppy is wicked smart, she loves people and thrives off attention and follows me everywhere because I'm her caretaker and favorite person. She only knows me in this world and I'm her comfort, so the next time you are getting annoyed at the dog try to think about the dogs point of view. You are a stable presence in their life in a world they don't completely understand, they depend on you and love you unconditionally. I am glad you have people to take care of the dog because I wouldn't trust you to take care of the poor thing on your own.♥ 1source record 4704
Why aren't you picking up the poop every time she goes? What about your two year old? How does he go outside to play if there's poop everywhere?♥ 1source record 4705
Dude whoever lets the dog into the yard to shit needs to watch her, and immediately scoop the poop up into a bin. They make scoopers for this so you don't even have to bend over. Also you should train the dog not to wipe out your 2yr old. Teach her not to beg or steal food. This sounds more like you guys are slacking in a few ways.♥ 1source record 4721
1) I clean up after my dog so that no one steps in it. And no one else has to see it or smell it. Leaving it as landmines in the back yard is some absolutely low life behaviour. 2) dogs can be trained. Yours wasn’t. Untrained dogs are nearly as bad as shitty people. This is really the best person in your life? That’s rough, buddy♥ 1source record 4725
The poop part is an easy fix. Pick up after the dog. It’s disgusting not to.♥ 1source record 4728
Pick up the poo. That problem is solved.♥ 1source record 4768
1. Don't have kids 2. Why don't you pick the shit up after they go? I couldn't fathom having a yard and just not keeping it shit free For real though, has your dog had anything formal training? >Just to be clear, the dog isnt neglected. My wife and her grandmother put a lot of effort into taking care of her, going on walks, vet visits and such. I’m just saying when that responsibility falls on me it sucks. I would never do it by myself. You kinda sound lazy honestly.♥ 1source record 4781
I’ve never once stepped on my own dogs shit. Because I pick it up like a responsible dog owner. Even in my own yard. Because I understand my dog needs to go to the bathroom outside and I don’t want to step on it when I go outside. My dog also doesn’t try to eat everything in existence, because it’s trained. And at the end of the day I love when my dog is clingy to me because it makes me feel good and it’s a good dog. Kudos to OP for an unpopular opinion, but in my opinion it’s unpopular because OP is a shitty dog owner and didn’t have the mental maturity to understand what the actual responsibility of owning a dog is.♥ 24source record 5191
Yeah lol i can agree dog ownership isn’t for everyone. It absolutely is work, you’re taking care of a living thing that can’t do it on its own. OP is just lazy and/or selfish at the core. Oh no, you have to pick up after your dog? Why the hell did you get a dog then? Lol Companionship aside, having a dog forces you to actually do something selflessly. Do I like cleaning a poopy puppy? No lol but she’s a sweetheart and doesn’t know better. God forbid I put myself aside to give a living thing a good life♥ 1source record 5217
You can hire an in-home, positive force, free trainer, that can help tremendously with any behaviors that you would like to help her with. And as far as her shitting, if you clean it up as she goes, there won’t be poop all over your yard to step in. If she does have trouble going though you might want to find out if she has a food allergy or maybe a gallbladder issue of some sort dogs are a lifetime commitment. I’m glad that you understand that and that you and your family are caring for this dog.♥ 1source record 5246
I know right. It’s not on the dog for being a dog. It’s just untrained and with an oblivious owner. Like if there’s poop in the back yard. You’re supposed to clean it up and it won’t be an issue♥ 1source record 5330
>I’ve stepped on dog shit more times than I can count.' This is user error. If you don't want shit all over your backyard, don't let your dog shit all over your backyard.♥ -1source record 5344
Do people really not look where they are walking. I mean u know u have a dog, and its still too much to use ur eyes while walking in the grass?♥ -1source record 5402
A dog might not be for you and that's ok. I personally love all their silliness and clinginess. I clean the poop right away so I don't step in it and yeah one likes to eat anything and everything in my yard too but I just hover over him and have taught him "leave it". To me their love and affection is worth the labor. But really they sleep most of the time and the total time I spend on them per day is probably only an hour a day.♥ -1source record 5406
You’re supposed to pickup the poop instead of leaving in the yard to be stepped on 🤦🏻‍♀️. Yes dogs are a lot of work. But less work than my kids so there’s that.♥ 0source record 5434

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Situation: Rereading the mess complaint as an exercise complaint

Why readers chose it: 66 records reframing the whole problem. The claim underneath is factual rather than moral: that a dog given the choice prefers not to soil its own territory, so a yard full of waste indicates a dog that is not being walked enough. Several supply their own counts as evidence — two walks a day named repeatedly as the bare minimum, three, or two of an hour each — and several outside the United States say the yard-as-toilet arrangement is culturally unfamiliar to them. The strongest version in the card holds that keeping a dog in a yard without walking it is neglect, and one commenter says it is illegal where they live.

What readers reported: She wouldn't have to shit in the yard if you took her for a walk.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I find it so interesting that this isn't the norm? I know AI can be wrong, but whenever I tell it I walk my dog 4 times a day, 3 short 15-20 minute walks and one long 45 minutes-1 hour walk a day (1.5 hours to 2 hours in total a day), it says that's a lot and to be careful it's not too much for him. Like what? I thought this was normal (we don't have a yard and where I live people usually don't let their dogs poop in their yards anyway). My dog is 12 kg and a moderately active breed. 11 months old.

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See multiple people here whose dogs shit in the yard and that's such a foreign concept to me. I grew up with dogs, my parents have always had dogs. They did *not* shit in the yard, nor pee in the yard. They were taught it's part of the house and it's a no-go zone for pee and poop. At old age their previous dog started leeing in the yard. Trip to the vet, boy had kidney issues (which he unfortunately did not survive). Now, obviously my parents did most of the care but as u got older I did get more involved. Hell I've also washed poop off their butts and once even an ear as the dog was running, tripped, and planted his entire face in a turd. :') longhaired dogs too with floppy ears, so it got all up in there. But honestly if I had the time and was home enough, I'd have gotten a dog in a heartbeat. I loved taking care of the dogs at my parents' place and going on walks with them. Honestly the biggest decision would be what dog to get. On the one had a corgi is adorable, a golden retriever very sweet and somewhat big. But then... Well. I live in a city as a woman alone. An intimidating dog trained to bits would've been wonderful too. :) I got two wonderful cats now tho that I also love to bits. I lived on my own for two years without pets and felt like I was going insane. Just... Coming home to an empty house... Nah man. Growing up with dogs did help me in ways though. I knew the amount of care involved before I got a pet, so I knew what I was signing up for. Also one of my cats is terrified of the vet and will try to murder everyone in the room. He surprised us the first time. Second time I warned the vet, dropped the cat out of his carrier and wrapped him in a towel before he knew what was happening. Like, I managed to control a 25kg dog who wanted to maul the vet, I am not going to let a 5kg cat get the better of me. :')

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I’m thinking the grandmother is likely both feeding the dog table scraps and also is just letting the dog out to shit. She may not have the mobility to actually walk the dog by herself during the day if other people aren’t home.

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real and honest? OP simply admit he never takes his dog outside of the yard, then rants about the poop and bad digestion and about the dog being a hassle. OP needs be ashamed. Very weird subreddit this is.

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They have this great new invention for backyard poop. It’s called walking your dog.

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I’m thinking the grandmother is likely both feeding the dog table scraps and also is just letting the dog out to shit. She may not have the mobility to actually walk the dog by herself during the day if other people aren’t home.♥ 74source record 323
Yup sounds like the dog isn't getting walked properly and doesn't have a regular diet. Would probably explain why it gets so hyped about playing too.♥ 59source record 324
real and honest? OP simply admit he never takes his dog outside of the yard, then rants about the poop and bad digestion and about the dog being a hassle. OP needs be ashamed. Very weird subreddit this is.♥ 1source record 992
2 walks a day is not a lot?! 😭 that’s like, the minimum amount a dog should be walked wtf♥ 2source record 1390
Above someone complained they had to walk a dog 2 times a day. I’m like, that’s the bare minimum and you’re complaining?♥ 7source record 1569
Every one should have enough time for 2x 15-30 minutes to walk every day. If more Americans actually put down the chips and soda and took a few light walks a day we wouldnt be so damn fat.♥ 3source record 1765
Mfers should be going on walks anyways. People act like light exercise and seeing the sunlight will kill them. Walking is good for you if you are reading this sentence right now - go out for a walk sometime today.♥ 1source record 1828
Seriously I get the cost part for some people but it shouldn’t be a bad thing to get up and take a few walks during the day.♥ 1source record 1911
Lol this guy aint dogging right. I had to stop reading after the shitpocolypse in OPs own back yard. Its why most of us walk them 😅♥ 3source record 1957
Wait, so there are people that don't do poop walks with their dog daily, at least twice, and don't train the dog manners any manners?♥ 2source record 2077
lol.. poor you and poor training. My dog never shit in the backyard. If you walk morning, afternoon, and evening then there should be no issue. Fragility - well it’s a dog.♥ 2source record 2087
She wouldn't have to shit in the yard if you took her for a walk.♥ 9source record 2110
Our dog only basically poops on walks… kind of has to walk it out of himself usually. Maybe taking more walks would help you and your dog?♥ 1source record 2188
Imagine , if you guys would WALK the dog OUTSIDE, on a LEASH, … then may be, your garden would remain , I don’t know, poop free ?? ( just an idea mate )♥ 1source record 2195
In my experience dogs really prefer pooping on walks and are hesitant to do it in the backyard unless they have no other choice. Is she walked regularly?♥ 1source record 2277
Honestly you're a terrible dog owner. Complaining that your yard is full of shit. You're supposed to **walk the dog**. **Several times a day.** All of the things you are describing are text-book behavioural issues because of irresponsible dog-owners, who did zero training, with a cooped up and understimulated dog.♥ 2source record 2304
Poop fix - take her out on physical walks to tire her out and have her do her crazy poops not on your lawn. It's not good for a dogs main form of being outside to just be letting the dog out. Also, crazy poops aren't normal and could be resolved with diet modifications/special kibble. Clinginess is part nature part nurture. Training as a puppy could've helped curtail some of it. Ditto with respecting boundaries, ie. learning place, leave it, recall, and just in general not bowling a kid over. Some things are baked into a dog and can't be changed, but a lot of bad habits stem from improper training when they're young. Not trying to rag on you, but it's important to recognize these things so you're better prepared in case you ever get another dog in the future.♥ 1source record 2346
The problem is you are a household full of lazy dog owners. Treat the back yard like part of your home. Put a leash on your dog and take it for a walk maybe??? You want to do the bare minimum and just open a door a couple times a day??? Find a good home for the dog and chase your son, until he realizes he gets the bare minimum too...♥ 1source record 2347
First things first, I never have to step in shit in my yard because I walk my dog a couple of times a day. Does he not go on those walks or the walks not consistent? Some of your other complaints sound like a lack of basic training. I agree with the person who says you don’t sound like a dog person, but I guess you didn’t have a choice since your wife and grandma got him.♥ 1source record 2411
Why not acrually take the dog on proper walks then, instead of letting it poop in the garden? And the rest is training. Teach them the word no, place, stay, whatever.♥ 1source record 2412
If your dog poops into your own garden, it is neglected. You can tell yourself something else, but no dog wants to poop into his own garden. You should walk it two to three times a day minimum.♥ 1source record 2418
Dogs don't naturally poop in their own environment. Maybe walk the dog more often instead of just letting him air in the backyard. My dog has crapped in the yard about 3 times, and always for a reason (ill, or stressed). It also sounds like you skipped the training part. Having a dog is bad if you don't take proper care of it.♥ 1source record 2440
Be grateful you have a yard and that your complaint is finding dog poop instead of stepping in it, because taking the dog out when you'd rather get kicked in the groin because you don't feel like going out is really tough! (Not mi case, I had dogs because I have Patio and and all outings were for fun Otherwise I probably wouldn't have had it)♥ 2source record 2639
Stop being lazy and walk your dog outside when it needs to pee/poop that solves alteast 1 problem for getting poop in your backyard.♥ 2source record 2646
Why do you allow your dog to shit in your garden? And why did you not teach them not to eat random stuff? Most of your complaints are just the result of not being a good dog owner ngl. Had multiple dogs and none ever did any of those things and all did what I said perfectly.♥ 2source record 2661
>First off, the shitting... There is a SUPER simple way to avoid this. Just ask people take their dogs for walks instead of just YOLOing them in the yard. >This dog will approach and try to eat anything, no matter how dodgy it looks Good news, there is another SUPER simple way to avoid this. Just ask people who train thier dogs with, "leave it," "drop it," "no," or "wait" > some days she just will not leave me alone... Another one with a simple solution! Just ask people who give their dogs enrichment and engagement. This entire post/comment section reads more like, "being a grown up sucks" more than it does anything to do with dogs.♥ 1source record 2794
Walking the dog insted of leaving it to shit in your yard would be a good first step(intended)♥ 1source record 2799
I'd recommend walking your dog more if you don't like her shitting in the grass, tbh. Hounds especially need to smell a lot, they prefer to poop not in their own space if they have a choice♥ 1source record 2826
What I don’t get is that dogs actually dont shit in their own territory. My dog would never ever shit into our garden. Do you even take your dog on walks or do you just let him out into the garden? And when dogs dont know how to chill it’s cause you didn’t teach them. Or maybe they don’t get proper exercise 🫠♥ 1source record 2905
Wild that this post didnt even comment on the worst aspects af dog ownership, namely 4 walks a day NO MATTER WHAT Oh wait he just let the poor thing into the yard...♥ 1source record 2908
Sounds like most of those problems could be solved by walking her an hour a day. Which should be the case for every dog.♥ 1source record 2923
Take your dog on a walk so it poops on the sidewalk, pick it up with a bag, backyard clean. Also, considering the dog is just let outside, I can imagine it’s not taken on many trips or places to get it’s energy out. Often with dogs like this, they need exercise and to go out and see things, similar to children. They are animals after all, and animals generally require a lot of care. Cats do too, while many people write off cats as being loners who need no attention, that simple just isn't true. Dogs require walks, attention, play time, enrichment, etc. Well-trained and older dogs also don’t act like this as often, so saying “owning a dog sucks” could just be because of the dog. My last dog was great, chilled out, took it on lots of fun walks, didnt attack or eat things, but when I was raising two husky puppies, I wanted to kill myself. Same as children, some are pains in the ass and some are great♥ 1source record 2953
> First off, the shitting. My god. I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. Just walk the dog? My dog is allowed in the yard when we're there and he never* shits in it. Why? Because we walk him twice a day, an hour each time. We end our walk in the garden, and he's only outside when we are too. Yes, it's a responsibility. *Happened a about 3 times in his 6 years on this world.♥ 1source record 2974
You're supposed to take the dog on several walks every day. It requires mental stimulation, it requires exercise, it needs to sniff and experience new scents and impressions and they always prefer to poop during walks, not where it lives. It's a dog, not a lawn ornament.♥ 1source record 2976
One thing i don’t quite get why use your own garden as a dog toilet? If I don’t have much time we make a quick round in the neighborhood. If it’s emergency and I can‘t leave I open garden door and my dog usually pees there. He doesn’t want to make number 2 there because he knows it’s his playground. It must be real emergency that he does it. Other than that - yeah, having a dog is demanding and can be expensive and requires extra planning in many areas of live.♥ 1source record 3223
You can solve all the issues you mentioned just by walking the dog sufficiently so it doesn’t have to shit in the yard, training him to not eat anything without your approval (one of the easiest tricks to learn) and bench training him so that he doesn’t butt in during playtime.♥ 1source record 3278
I dog that doesnt have a medical condition and goes to REAL walks throu the day (and not the 5 Min walks around 100 meters off the house). Would not shit on their garden, they would pee on it at most (because it is already packed with their scent/odor).♥ 1source record 3340
You’re supposed to walk the dog but just let them shit lol.♥ 1source record 3459
To address the poop issue, walk the dog for twenty minutes both morning and evening so she can do her business. Bring poop bags (our dog never poops in our yard). Otherwise, she just needs training. Our dog was a wild, feral thing found under a trailer. She bit me and my son when we first adopted her. Now, years later, she's a sweet, well behaved companion. If she is looking to be petted and I am busy, I hold my hand up to her and she gets the message and goes a few feet away and lies down. You have to put some time and effort into it, but it's well worth it. It is definitely a commitment and most people don't realize that... they think it's all fun and cuddles.♥ 1source record 3548
I stopped reading at shit in the backyard.. don’t let dogs sit in your own garden ffs♥ 1source record 3648
Walk your freaking dog, she needs to be stimulated. Imagine your whole world would be your house and your backyard. Also teach hear to take a dump when it's time for walking and ffs pick it up after.♥ 1source record 3780
Lol you know you can just… walk your dog right… instead of having him shit in your yard😂 secondly, if he always has issues pooping you should see a vet and change his diet; that is NOT normal. If you always had diarrhoea, wouldn’t you go see a doctor too??? Also, you clearly have zero responsibility over your dog. Just TRAIN your dog. It’s not that hard to train them to not eat crap (literally). It takes some time and effort but if you train something with every meal that is two 5-10 training sessions a day. If you don’t even have time for 10-20 minutes a day of training then you should not have a dog in the first place. First off, INVOLVE YOUR DOG IN PLAY, it is insane that you have a dog and then treat him like a display; he is a loving creature who also loves playing, use that to your benefit. Dogs are clingy because they are under-stimulated. Take him for a proper walk once a day where he can sniff and use his brain which will calm him down. And TEACH HIM WHAT TO DO when you want to play catch with just your kid. Again, just train him. A few minutes a day fixes your entire issue in no time. Teach him ‘place’ command (or just close the door if you are outside) and make sure he knows to stay on his place. There are countless video tutorials online on how to do this, but in short you teach your dog ‘place’ and ‘stay’ and then start adding in distractions like throwing a ball or having your kid run and making sure the dog can’t chase. BUT, your dog NEEDS to chase something. It’s not only in their DNA, it will also make them happy and calm. Just like a kid, they cannot sit still all day and be expected to behave properly. They need an outlet for their energy, and since your dog is doing no sniff work and no exercise, of course he is going to have pent up energy and want to play with you. Imagine going to a park with your kid and sitting him on a bench while other kids are running around and playing games, but your kid just has to sit and watch. You clearly do not love your dog or you would actually involve your dog in activities instead of punishing him for wanting to participate.♥ 1source record 3903
Who let's their dog shit in their yard lol. Go walk the dog 3 times, it's part of having a dog.♥ 1source record 3959
You can pick up the yard. My yard is clean because I walk my dog. I just pick up each poop as we go. And as for the dog eating random things, that's a training issue. A lot of dog owners aren't even aware that they can be trained, but they can. It just takes time and consistency. You don't have to, but the tradeoff is unwanted behavior. So, up to you.♥ 1source record 3967
Our dogs pretty much never shat in the yard, piss, yes but never shit. If you move them enough they shouldnt do that. An animal wants to eat random stuff they have no idea about, literally crazy, who would have ever thought. Animal actually starts to like you as you pretty much kidnapped them from their family and you now are pretty much the only thing they have, yea fuck them for wanting to be with you, almost like they are living breathing creatures or something, i just wanted a big woofy walking toy, why do i have to deal with real life?♥ 1source record 4056
The value my dog adds to my life is worth any and all extra responsibilities. :) If you took your dog out on actual walks, you might avoid all the dog shit in your yard and might chill your dog out a bit. It’s a HOUND.♥ 1source record 4084
And now imagine not being an American and actually taking your dog for long walks and spending time with it in the house instead of just keeping it locked up in a backyard followed by locked up in a crate♥ 1source record 4228
I feed my dog and take it for a walk straight away and pick up the poop and pop in bin. The dog has therefore had a feed, a poop and exercise therefore stimulation. He then is more relaxed and just sits next to me until dinner time where we repeat the process of eat, walk and poop. In my opinion it’s rather easy and I also enjoy the walk. We see ducks, birds and other kids and dogs at the river and parks.♥ 1source record 4238
If you walked your dog instead of just putting it out in the yard you wouldn't have a yard full of poop, and you and the dog would get more exercise.♥ 1source record 4245
If you walked your dog regularly and picked up the poop as it happens you would solve your dog shit backyard problem AND your overly excited/rough housing dog problem.♥ 1source record 4342
Take your dog for walks. Gets both of you exercise and you won’t have to clean up your backyard.♥ 1source record 4467
Take your dog out and don’t let it shit in your yard♥ 1source record 4492
See multiple people here whose dogs shit in the yard and that's such a foreign concept to me. I grew up with dogs, my parents have always had dogs. They did *not* shit in the yard, nor pee in the yard. They were taught it's part of the house and it's a no-go zone for pee and poop. At old age their previous dog started leeing in the yard. Trip to the vet, boy had kidney issues (which he unfortunately did not survive). Now, obviously my parents did most of the care but as u got older I did get more involved. Hell I've also washed poop off their butts and once even an ear as the dog was running, tripped, and planted his entire face in a turd. :') longhaired dogs too with floppy ears, so it got all up in there. But honestly if I had the time and was home enough, I'd have gotten a dog in a heartbeat. I loved taking care of the dogs at my parents' place and going on walks with them. Honestly the biggest decision would be what dog to get. On the one had a corgi is adorable, a golden retriever very sweet and somewhat big. But then... Well. I live in a city as a woman alone. An intimidating dog trained to bits would've been wonderful too. :) I got two wonderful cats now tho that I also love to bits. I lived on my own for two years without pets and felt like I was going insane. Just... Coming home to an empty house... Nah man. Growing up with dogs did help me in ways though. I knew the amount of care involved before I got a pet, so I knew what I was signing up for. Also one of my cats is terrified of the vet and will try to murder everyone in the room. He surprised us the first time. Second time I warned the vet, dropped the cat out of his carrier and wrapped him in a towel before he knew what was happening. Like, I managed to control a 25kg dog who wanted to maul the vet, I am not going to let a 5kg cat get the better of me. :')♥ 1source record 4499
1) walk your dog 2) it’s really fine they have different stomachs than humans 3) ya♥ 1source record 4530
They have this great new invention for backyard poop. It’s called walking your dog.♥ 1source record 4565
LOL damn a lot of bad owners here. It is definitely a lot of responsibility but if you DO NOT. come up with a good routine then you will definitely suck with your dog that sucks. I walk my dog OUTSIDE. Not in the yard. Walk or jog(so I get my exercise in too) in the morning, then again midd day then again at night time. Feed morning and then evening. DURING puppy times is the most crucial part, this is where you need to establish routine, commands and control behaviors and figure out dietary needs. My dog has a very sensitive stomach. This is also wheee you should train how to leave them be. The first 8 months was hard but now our dog is 1.5 years old and we barely have to do anything. We walk her as a routine, we can leave her for 10 hours without anxiety etc. Its all about TRAINING and yes its continuous and strenuous and it will suck. But all of that is temporary. Owning a dog means taking responsibility and taking responsibility means training it the way you want your life to live. Be a bad owner, then have a bad dog. That is all. Sucks to suck.♥ 1source record 4727
Maybe you guys should try actually walking the dog maybe it won’t have to shit in your backyard so much♥ 1source record 4743
Why not just walk the dog so it doesnt have to shit all over the yard?♥ 1source record 4854
Your dog wouldn't poop in the yard if you took it for 2 walks per day.♥ 1source record 4861
Tbh, these issues wouldn't be the case if you put the time and effort into training, especially as the dog grows up. Regarding being worried about stepping into your yard- why don't you try establishing a routine where you walk the dog first this in the morning and at regular intervals for toileting, then you can just pick up as needed, rather than leaving the dog to just hang about in the yard all the time and do the toilet whenever it wants? It sounds like this dog is left to its own devices a lot of the time without walks or structured routine.♥ 1source record 4875
Tbh if your dog is regularly shitting in the garden. Just take it out for more walks. But I do get where you're coming from. I personally would hate that responsibility too. I'd only get a dog myself when I've settled down doing shit and become a bit more sedentary. But it's their dog and you should tell them to take it on more walks or at least pick the shit up in the yard. Dog shit is no joke. Especially with kids my friend... Get a tiny bit in your eye and it can blind you permanently.♥ 1source record 4877
Many many people. I walk my dogs a lot and see/hear tons of dogs in houses and behind fences but I only see a handful regularly being walked.♥ 1source record 5163
dogs don't care about the space they spend time sleeping in. Walk your dog, exercise your dog, train your dog. Unless you have a dog with behavioral issues or health issues that would justify living in a single house, saying a dog shouldn't live in an apartment only proves you underexercize and underfulfill your dog. That's lazy dog ownership.♥ 1source record 5209
First off, you should be walking your dog twice a day and not simply opening the door to the backyard so the dog can relieve itself. Second, eating miscellaneous items from the floor does not make a dog fragile? In all honest you just seem unprepared, and I’m scared for the day you may be responsible for raising another person and not merely a pet.♥ 1source record 5248
To keep a dog only in a yard and don’t walk it is in fact animal abuse and forbidden in my country♥ 2source record 5265
It may be anecdotal evidence but I know a lot die owners that never walk their dog cause they keep it in the yard. It’s a well known problem since my childhood and op never mentioned someone walks the dog. There’s thousands of dog owners like that so I assume that he isn’t one of the 0,01% who still walk their dog. So my assumption is based on what I saw with my own eyes and what the general consensus is around this topic. I love dogs more then anything else, I don’t made anything up, it’s called extrapolating you know♥ 2source record 5288

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That is not a normal poop: change the food36 index entriesA medical reading of the original post, and the long disagreement underneath it about what a dog should be fed.
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That is not a normal poop: change the food

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Why readers chose it: 36 records rereading the complaint as a diet or health question. The claim is that a healthy dog on the right food produces firm, easily collected stools once or twice a day, and that trailing, straining or chronic looseness points at an allergy, a sensitivity or something a vet should see. A vet receptionist and several owners of dogs with confirmed sensitivities argue it. The dispute underneath is not settled: one commenter's claim that better food means less waste is contradicted immediately and at length by another arguing that low output is not a health marker, with WSAVA guidelines cited on one side and raw feeding on the other.

What readers reported: Like other people said, training and getting her checked out at the vet should solve most of these problems. Dogs should be producing solid poops that are easy to pick up and dry out pretty quickly. They can also be trained to go in the same spot every time. Your dog shouldn’t be straining so hard to poop. Dogs can also be taught to chill out and not be clingy. Commands like “leave it” “stay” and “settle” are very helpful. My dog can be needy, but she also knows how to entertain herself. Training does take time and effort, but it’s worth it for a less-irritating dog. I’d say the worst thing about dog ownership is never being able to be gone for more than eight hours without arranging for care. Traveling also always has an additional expense, since you need to board them or find a sitter. If I could bring my dog with me everywhere, life would be much easier. But alas, I am not a British aristocrat or Paris Hilton

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The higher the quality of food, the less poop. I feed Nutro Natural Choice and my dog poops very little. Also, you should research breeds of dogs and find one that has a demeanor that matches your lifestyle.

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It is all dogs. You just think "not my dog" because thats what everyone thinks. And it may be true for you. But 99% of dogs are poorly trained or not trained at all. Its a huge problem.

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Taking care of a dog is like taking care of a human. If you have nasty poops, get meds like a probiotic. Be responsible and pick up the poop. It's not easy and not for everyone, just like having children. Not for me.

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This isn’t all dogs - at all. You should also change her diet.

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Taking care of a dog is like taking care of a human. If you have nasty poops, get meds like a probiotic. Be responsible and pick up the poop. It's not easy and not for everyone, just like having children. Not for me.

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Sounds like you need to change the food. It’s not normal for a dog to poop and travel. Sounds like ya’ll need to clean up your yard. Disgusting & unsanitary to leave the poop laying everywhere.

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Their dog is clearly also sick but they are not taking her to the vet... Like what the hell are you doing??♥ 5source record 397
This isn’t all dogs - at all. You should also change her diet.♥ 295source record 406
i mean…that’s kind of the case with any pet. it’s not too crazy hard to just notice the poops and notice when their behavior changes.♥ 2source record 1692
Felt the same. If OP was talking about puppies, I'd agree. But dogs are fine. And regarding the poop, if you fix the diet, the poop is solid and you can pick up easily. It's not like the dog poops in house, it signals when it wants to go and you can simply go after the dog at that moment and see where it shits and pick it up. Don't know what's so hard about that. If there's behavioral issues, you can pay to get the dog trained. It costs money but it is good for both of you.♥ 9source record 1769
The dog is also clearly sick but nobody in that house is addressing it♥ 5source record 1837
Yeah I was like slug? I think they're taking the dog to the vet too much unless it was a specific type of poisonous slug or something?!? Maybe the wife and grandma are babying the dog too much 🤔♥ 2source record 2002
As a vet receptionist, sounds like you really need to take your dog to the vet for her bowel issues. As a dog owner, it sounds like the family overall doesn’t spend enough time playing with or training her♥ 2source record 2062
These are all "you" problems. That dog is suffering because of you. Give it probiotics, change its diet to good food, take it on actual walks and bring poop bags. There, your poop problems are solved. See how you blame the dog for your lack of responsibility? Edit: You need to set boundaries; your dog's behavior is learned. Read some books, watch some Caesar Milan. All of the tools and education you need are readily available. Edit: you're probably right and have every right to say that you shouldn't or don't want or don't like owning a dog. You have to be honest and ask yourself "would the dog be happier with someone else" or "is this best for this dog" and yourself/your family. Put your and your family's feelings aside. Do what's best for that dog. Neither you nor the dog should be unhealthy or unhappy.♥ 11source record 2112
I'm sorry, sounds like you have a high maintenance dog and a tiny back yard. Perhaps you should follow the dog instead of just letting it out if it's such a problem. I would really suggest changing the dogs diet. My dog eats a slug I wish it good luck.♥ 2source record 2217
The worst dog is far better than a child. Yall trippin in this thread. Fix the diet because it sounds like you are feeding the dog sub par food, pick up the poop when the dog is done doing it business. Provide and love the animal you chose to house, protect, and care for. Also, you might have gotten the wrong breed of dog for your lifestyle, and that’s a you problem for not doing proper research.♥ 2source record 2229
Huh I think the popping thing may be his diet - you may want to look into that. After the puppy stage, my dog calmed way down, lays on the couch most days. And of course I don’t step in dog crap - I take my dog for walks everyday and that’s when he goes to the bathroom. Look, there are legitimate reasons not to like or have a dog but you just seem like someone who has no idea how to train a dog, or honestly probably shouldn’t have a dog. And that’s fine. Not everyone should but damn nah most dogs I’ve had haven’t been anything like what you’ve written above.♥ 2source record 2554
Damn I know you just want to complain but it sounds like you're running into some issues that you could just easily solve with a little bit more attention. Better diet means less troublesome poops, cleaning up your yard immediately when she poops or what I do is just take my dog on walks everyday so she poops out away from the house. But you also have a child and a new wife and a mother-in-law and that's a lot of fucking responsibility So I don't blame you for having the dog on the back burner.♥ 1source record 2610
Sounds like poor training and poor diet. If your dog is struggling to defecate, they are not getting enough fiber. Whatever dog food you’re feeding, you need to change it or start adding more fibrous food to it. Dogs are like humans and need a balanced diet. As for the clinginess, some breeds are more clingy than others. But some dogs can become clingy when you don’t set BOUNDARIES. Teaching them to be okay by themselves is a must. This isn’t an “unpopular” opinion, it’s just an ignorant one. Dogs aren’t for everybody. But they aren’t an animal you just get and expect zero research and preparation on your end.♥ 1source record 2672
Train the dog? Work to correct the dietary issues and get her anal glads expressed? Walk the dog regularly instead of just letting her out to shit? Idk man like most of your complaints are on you/on the folks owning the dog.♥ 1source record 2675
Poop problems sound like a dietary issue. And yeah, dogs need to be monitored, they dumber than children and kids are pretty fucking stupid. Think of a dog as a practice child, because it will never get smarter and it will always need to be watched, but it will love you unconditionally and that makes all the hassle worth it.♥ 1source record 2677
Sounds like your dog needs more fiber and better training♥ 1source record 2747
Although I understand and agree that owning a dog isn‘t only fun and games, the things you mentioned don‘t apply to most dogs and can be solved if treated correctly. Weird poop/consistency - sounds like digestion problems. Those can be dealt with. Different food might be better for your dog or maybe she‘s allergic to something. With the right food the poop will be solid and easy to clean up. Eating everything - legit problem. Might be solved with training but maybe not. Getting the dog used to a muzzle might help, otherwise I feel you and know what it‘s like! Sorry about that. Clingy behavior - training is the key. Some dogs are harder to train than others, but I cannot believe how many people just assume they don‘t have to train theirs. In my opinion dog training should be obligatory.♥ 1source record 2993
Like other people said, training and getting her checked out at the vet should solve most of these problems. Dogs should be producing solid poops that are easy to pick up and dry out pretty quickly. They can also be trained to go in the same spot every time. Your dog shouldn’t be straining so hard to poop. Dogs can also be taught to chill out and not be clingy. Commands like “leave it” “stay” and “settle” are very helpful. My dog can be needy, but she also knows how to entertain herself. Training does take time and effort, but it’s worth it for a less-irritating dog. I’d say the worst thing about dog ownership is never being able to be gone for more than eight hours without arranging for care. Traveling also always has an additional expense, since you need to board them or find a sitter. If I could bring my dog with me everywhere, life would be much easier. But alas, I am not a British aristocrat or Paris Hilton♥ 1source record 3068
Dogs suck when you don't train properly. Train your dog and you won't have the mentioned problems, and buy better/different food, include fish oil or whatever probiotics to fix the poop trail. Dogs aren't toys, and they're not people and can't be reasoned with.♥ 1source record 3142
There is a massive lack of training here. You have an untrained dog. That's your guy's fault. The shitting thing is you're feeding your dog either human food that isn't agreeing with her body, or she's allergic to the food you're giving her. Could be poultry, grain, whatever I have no fuckin clue what you feed your dog. Or it's a lack of fiber. Y'all got a dog and then learned literally not a damn thing about having a dog or what a dog needs. Or what kind of dog you were getting. My unpopular opinion is that people should have to take a training course and get certified to own a dog. You guys shouldn't have a dog.♥ 1source record 3166
Okay, absolutely sounds like you do not like dogs and di not care to love them. Dogs in their backyard or anywhere will look to poop "out of the way". Your dog has a digestive problem and you need to do research! Dogs serve us! The dog is there already, so do your adult best to live with him! I have 2 Dogs, one extremely expensive to groom, but would rather not do for myself every 6 weeks but gor my Coco!! Travel with them is expensive, but great road trippers!♥ 1source record 3213
Feed your dog good food and it’s not going to pick any trash off the floor♥ 1source record 3319
Why is your dog shitting in the backyard in the first place? If she has a hard taking doing her business maybe inform yourself about her diet.♥ 1source record 3663
This seems like a lack of information more than anything. Better diet will fix the poo, and picking it up will fix it being all over the yard. Also training dogs is very widely used and relatively easy most of the time. Furthermore, look into what to expect with different breeds, some are energy incarnate♥ 1source record 3946
Most of these sound like a lack of training, an unbalanced diet, and a lack of personal ethic on whoever takes care of the dog. 1. Clean up after the dog when it shits, dont just leave it out there 2. If your dog has weird poops, thats extremely not normal. Talk to a vet about this, double check what food you feed them, re-assess the dogs diet and water. 3. Your dog needs proper training to stop doing stuff you dont like. People train dogs to do all sorts of stuff, you *can* do it.♥ 1source record 3957
Holy shit dude maybe look up what you should be feeding your dog and maybe get some training? It's not a robot thats programmed it's a living being that needs guidance and training. Also just pick your dogs shit up after it poops. Don't let it just pile up, I swear to God that dog is smarter than you.♥ 1source record 4013
Sounds like you need to change the food. It’s not normal for a dog to poop and travel. Sounds like ya’ll need to clean up your yard. Disgusting & unsanitary to leave the poop laying everywhere.♥ 1source record 4137
Taking care of a dog is like taking care of a human. If you have nasty poops, get meds like a probiotic. Be responsible and pick up the poop. It's not easy and not for everyone, just like having children. Not for me.♥ 1source record 4160
But why would your dog sh!t on your house? is it because of her diet or inadequate training? if it's the former what does she eat on a daily basis? if the latter do train her more often♥ 1source record 4212
None of this surprised me and I think it’s all quite overblown. In short: 1 - shitting issues likely due to diet, change it 2 - yeah it’s like having a child, you have to watch them as they each random stuff. Train the dog to return to you when you call them 3 - do proper training If that overweighs the love and joy a dog brings then you probably shouldn’t have one.♥ 1source record 4227
Put some effort into her like training and obedience and shell get it, and if she has trouble pooping it’s her diet, Im assuming you dont know anything about dogfood or would put the effort into learning♥ 1source record 4332
Not discounting your experience, but worth asking your wife/MIL to look into a better diet for the dog and to *regularly* clean up the shit (can’t be safe for your kid playing outside). Training and boundaries can help with clingyness but it will take work and everyone will need to stick to it; heck I taught my dog a ‘f\*ck off’ command which means if her essential needs are met (food, water, potty) she can’t bother me — and it works. We have a lot of friends who love our dog which means if I’m not well I can ask someone to take her out at the drop of a hat or watch her for a week which really relieves the added stress of boarding her or decision making. As an aside, some people just aren’t dog people and that’s ok. But at least work out the diet and regular maintenance / boundaries to alleviate the common stressors.♥ 1source record 4471
This comes down to 2 things and your experience and your dog’s would be way better 1. Training 2. Feed your dog real food - dogs have like 60% less poop when you don’t feed them garbage (which is basically all dog “food”) . Sounds like your dog is struggling which is sad. Please help them. Imagine if all you were given to eat was the same fast food meal for years on end every single meal. it’s going to be a problem.♥ 1source record 4582
Work on some positive reinforcement training and change her diet. She can't help herself like you can.♥ 1source record 4599
I get where you’re coming from but a lot of these things sound like controllables as an owner. Isn’t shitting right ? Attempt to change her food Shit all over the garden ? Pick it up immediately after Wants to be involved playing? Shock. Put her in a separate room while you play with your son but make sure she gets plenty of her own play time too♥ 1source record 4642
All of these things you’ve mentioned can be managed to not be such big problems. Pick up the poop when she poops. If it’s persistent or frequent diarrhea, see the vet, something is wrong. Muzzle train, and put it on when she’s outdoors, so she can’t eat random stuff. This is a normal and reasonable use of a muzzle. Work on commands for “off,” “place,” and “settle.” Lots of dogs need to be *taught* how to relax. Consistency with this stuff will dramatically change your life for the long run.♥ 1source record 4867

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Please don't get a cat either! Far too many people think you just have to give them food and clean the toilet. Yeah of course you have to do that, that's the bare minimum. You should play at least once a day, they need entertainment and love, too. And of course they can get sick, too. Older cats for example can become incontinent and some owners just take them to the shelter because of that. It doesn't matter what pet you have, it is a living beeing and you are responsible for their wellbeing. Don't commit to it if you just want something cute on demand.

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My bf has a 4 yr old corgi which they adopted just last year after her previous owner migrated. She changed my mind about corgis, I absolutely hate the breed now and do not find them cute AT ALL. She rips everything apart, eats her shit, pisses everywhere, sheds like craaazy and doesn’t like getting groomed, gets mad at her american bully brother for no reason, and does not listen to any command at all. I have a feeling it’s because she was a kennel dog with the previous owner, which I am very very sad and angry about. Now she really won’t listen, and does not even want to go out on walks. She barks at everything too. My grandma on the other hand, has a male corgi, whose only issue is his temper with other male dogs. Other corgis I’ve come across in the vet are also loud and aggressive. I really would not recommend them.

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Every complaint you have just reinforces one thing thoroughly. You have no idea how to train a dog. Dogs only freely shit in yards if you let them. Dogs only eat whatever they want if you let them. Dogs only hit you with nonstop clinginess and aggressive play if you let them. All of these inconveniences can be rectified but you clearly have no idea how to do it, which is to be expected because you don't have any experience or training. So it's fair. But man, it's crazy to me how many people willingly bring an animal into their homes and then just expect it to *be* the way they want. That doesn't work with children either btw...you sort of have to educate them and teach them lessons otherwise they'll tear your house apart and shit everywhere too.

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This is a really long way to say 'i didn't bother to train my dog and i hate it now'

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Sounds like a "your corgi" problem not a corgi problem. Mine listens but it required training from a pro with constant reinforcement. I didn't know anything aboit corgis but my wife wanted one. I will probably get corgis for rest of my life now. We bought from a good breeder...I think most corgis unfortunately come from puppy mills so they didn't have a shot from birth.

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This is so real and honest. Pay attention people and think long and hard before you get a dog. Also, OP you need to look up training methods and eating and digestion etc. You can be proactive and eliminate some frustration

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You sound like a poor pack leader. With domestic dogs they are nonviolent because they see their owner as their pack leader, which in the wild is really just the dog that leads their clan.

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This is so real and honest. Pay attention people and think long and hard before you get a dog. Also, OP you need to look up training methods and eating and digestion etc. You can be proactive and eliminate some frustration♥ 5,418source record 32
Tbf that's more than likely due to your friend's bad training or lack of. That breed requires a stern hand and plenty of exercise/ mental stimulation otherwise they turn into demons. I work with dogs professionally and that is a breed I would never own. Corgis, Huskies, GSD etc are breeds that people love but are nightmares when untrained and aren't properly exercised. ETA: I really wish average people would avoid working breeds, they always seem to fail their dog at the most basic level.♥ 123source record 56
100% on them. I have a GSD and a corgi, and outside of the shedding (this hot summer has been rough) this is literally none of my experience. The corgi can be stubborn at times, but I know how to get her to do what I want. She only barks if someone knocks on the door, and stops when I tell her to. I've desensitized her to baths and nail trims from a puppy so none of that is ever an issue. My GSD is literally the sweetest boy. Never really barks unless he hears other dogs outside. Loves everyone. Listens fantastic. He has some anxiety around vets but we properly medicated him so he's a ton better about it. Both of them are crate trained so that isn't even an issue. But like you said, it's required work. I work from home and my wife runs an online business so we can properly exercise and stimulate them, we are able to continue training daily because we're around. It'd probably be a lot different if they were cooped up and kennelled 8+ hours a day.♥ 10source record 58
That sounds excessively bad, like all the familiar Corgi traits/problems I've seen, but magnified by a lot. It sounds like more could have been done early to work on it (and still can.)♥ 9source record 62
My corgi sleepin next to me. She a good girl just a little anxious. She listens 50% of the time, and 100% of the time when I have a snack.♥ 10source record 63
Honestly sounds like either your friend didn't really train their incredibly intelligent working breed dog, or that specific dog is a nutcase (always happens). A corgi is bred to herd livestock, especially cattle — the fact that three people have to corral *the dog* is bonkers.♥ 4source record 64
my parents have two goldens that they let grow into crazy energetic balls of dog and they complain that they don't know how to control them. they keep getting dogs and same thing happens each time. they can't seem to understand that they are the common denominator in this problem.♥ 38source record 77
Can you please come talk to my brother who adopted a malinois+border collie mix as his first dog because 'a dog needs to be a dog'. He gets 2, 10 min walks a day. The pup is totally out of control (understandable), no recall, pulls your arm out of your socket on leash and he didn't teach his kids (5 and 7) not to hang on his neck and tease him so that bodes well for the future. Frustrating.♥ 10source record 78
Yeah this all just screams to me that ops wife is a terrible dog owner. If it’s having loose stools for an extended period then it needs a diet change. If poop is all over the yard maybe she should pick it up. If the dog is really clingy or knocking people over the maybe she should work on training. It’s all just kind of a sad story about a neglected dog♥ 6source record 94
Dogs barking can be breed specific, but it’s more likely indicative of training (or lack there of).♥ 15source record 184
One of my Yorkies barks at door knocking and wildlife around the house. She doesn’t bark for no reason like a lot of Yorkies. My other Yorkie only barks at you when she wants to play.♥ 4source record 185
this lol so many dramatic mf’s in here, that have never trained their dogs, apparently.♥ 4source record 251
Notice how they didn't once say anything about how they trained the dog.♥ 7source record 395
The vast majority of people dont even understand dog training exists. Change my mind♥ 9source record 396
Just train your damn dogs. My dog is trained to go to the bathroom in a specific section of the back yard. Never had to worry about walking barefoot in the back yard. My girl is also trained to not eat stuff off the floor. Hasnt stopped her from occasionally getting to stuff, but it happens extremely rarely. And for the clinginess, you just need to train the basic control commands. I can tell my dog to leave the room and she will. Dogs are only bad when you dont give them the tools to succeed and if you cant do that then you probably shouldnt own a dog.♥ 22source record 404
and they need proper training - shitty owners = shitty dogs most people think they're stuffed animals and learn the hard way that they need care♥ 14source record 416
It's kinda telling you made no mention of actual training.♥ 21source record 417
I'm gonna be real with you OP dogs essentially require you to utilize your parenting skills. A lot of the problems you have sound like you didn't train the dog properly. I never let my dogs openly do their business in my yard and I trained them to interact with people appropriately. Over time dogs trained right become very dependable. I don't know how old you got that dog mid but a dogs require upfront care to become easy later on. Sounds like you may want a cat, they require near 0 responsibility in comparison and act essentially as a roommate. I never found the work of caring for a dog all that hard but then again hard means different things for different people I suppose.♥ 19source record 433
I think you need to train your dog and change its diet lol Dogs fucking rule and this is actually and unpopular opinion so kudos.♥ 71source record 457
You know you can train dogs right? It's super easy to train a dog to shit in the exact same place, or not chew on random stuff.♥ 39source record 464
Tbh it sounds like you just literally didn't train your dog at all. If your dog is having that much of an issue going poop there is undoubtedly a medical issue that needs to be addressed. I take my dog on walks often so she will poop politely off to the side somewhere along our walk. If she goes in the backyard she has and area that she prefers and I pick it up right away or at least by the next day. Youll never find more than 2 piles of poop in my yard. The dog eating everything, again you didn't train it. One of the first things you should teach a dog is "leave it" thats means food as well as anything you dont want your dog to eat. Since she was a puppy I have her do tricks before releasing her to eat her food. This naturally reinforces that she looks to me for permission to eat anything. Sure if I left her alone with a chicken or steak she might go eat it but honestly it's more likely she would come find me and then lead me back to it so I'll tell her its ok. The clingyness, you should have crate trained as well as done exercises for when you leave the house to reduce separation anxiety. Lolol my dog is a perfect angel and my biggest issue with her is finding someone I trust to watch her if I go on vacation 😂♥ 5source record 478
Yes, I 💯 agree on the training. The Corgi trained its owner and is currently the pack leader. If you have no experience training a dog and don't want to learn, don't get a dog... ESPECIALLY a Corgi :)♥ 6source record 674
My corgi does none of these things-I trained her from the day she came home. People think they are cute little dogs-in reality they are herding dogs with short legs.♥ 2source record 675
corgis are just being corgis, but yes, as a pet they are a lot work and need firm owners. My dog is 'best friends' with two corgis. One of them comes over to play in my yard and very quietly 'owns' everything and his owner does not notice: the lawn, the water bowl, the treats, etc. My dog is looking at me like, "Are you seeing this shit?" With the owners permission, I became more stern with her (generally, a finger poke in his neck/side when he's being a dick, an obvious and close eye on everything he does) -- and now she greets me like I am the best person ever and behaves a LITTLE better. She is still a force to be reckoned with.♥ 2source record 678
I just hate how people can't be bothered to read up on dog training and behaviour. And just chalk up issues to being breed specific: My dog barks to much or has non stop energy? No there isn't any thing in the fucking world I could do about that! That's just a god given, unredeemable part of the breed. Absolutely you can, learn how to chill the fuck out yourself first and then teach your dog. People treat people who properly train their dogs like they have some sort of dictator complex. In reality having a well behaved dog is just better for everyone. Especially for the dog. People also told me I'm being to strict with my dog, but recently someone told me: If every dog would behave like her, everyone would want one.♥ 2source record 682
I decided to train my great pyr mix and she has pretty good recall and listens 90% of the time. Pretty decent for such a stubborn breed lol♥ 2source record 684
They’re working dogs and one of the smartest breeds that exists… they are excellent listeners and very well behaved with even a little bit of training…..♥ 1source record 797
Sounds like a "your corgi" problem not a corgi problem. Mine listens but it required training from a pro with constant reinforcement. I didn't know anything aboit corgis but my wife wanted one. I will probably get corgis for rest of my life now. We bought from a good breeder...I think most corgis unfortunately come from puppy mills so they didn't have a shot from birth.♥ 1source record 831
Corgis that haven't been trained. I have 4. They absolutely listen. They don't come out of the womb like that, but they listen. Barking is one of more difficult ones with them, but barking and running is what they were bred for. The biggest thing with barking is that these are HERDING dogs. They short, but they're athletic as fuck and can run for ages. Just like retrievers, these dogs need serious exercise every day. Not a walk, RUNNING. Allllll of their intense behaviors calm way the fuck down when they can burn that energy. Biggest issue with people getting dogs that they need to be aware of is the kind of energy level that the breed they're getting is going to have. It's not really just the breed, it is almost always down to the energy level and anxiety of the dog. The anxiety is heavily determined by how much exercise they get, and high energy working breeds need a high energy exercise and a lot of it, otherwise all of that pent-up energy comes out through bad behavior, anxiety, barking, difficulty socializing, fighting with other dogs , and a myriad of other things. People need to understand that when you get a dog you're not just getting cat, you're getting an animal that was meant to be a companion, and many of them were bred for JOBS. Intelligent breeds NEED stimulation or they will MAKE stimulation for themselves.♥ 1source record 832
That is definitely reflective of poor training and discipline. Dogs are a hierarchical animal. If you dont show them you're in charge, they will assume they are. This is the point where it will all start going wrong.♥ 1source record 837
The dog is a representation of their owner. I have a corgi, and he’s an angel. He does not bark (because we told him no as a puppy). He sheds (he can’t help that) but I do proper grooming protocol to keep him happy. Yeah, he’s stubborn, but he’s also incredibly sweet, curious, intelligent, and loves being around people. Maybe we lucked out with him, or maybe people need to realize that if their dog sucks, it’s kinda their own fault.♥ 1source record 838
I agree with the comments saying this is due to your friend and a lack of training. I have two corgis and they are the smartest, most well behaved dogs I have ever owned. They definitely do have attitudes often and love to talk back, but they listen. Now the shedding…that’s a real problem with corgis.♥ 1source record 839
My dog is a rescue and is a mix of some of the most difficult breeds (blue heeler and great pyr). Ive been able to train out most of the breed specific traits. She used to lunge at cars on walks and she no longer does that. She has pretty great recall for a dog that had two breeds that are notorious for being stubborn. I still probably would never really trust her off leash but ive never had a problem getting her to come back. Ive always heard that nature loads the gun and environment pulls the trigger. Most breed specific traits you can train out or you can solve it by controlling their environment.♥ 2source record 898
Not even two years for some dogs, you can have a good dog after 8 months and then you are just dealing with adolescent stuff for the most part and energy. Dogs love rules and routine and pick them up very quickly. Especially if you have older dogs who model the behavior. Dogs like being dogs, they are not people, which is where we tend to fail them training wise.♥ 2source record 905
Get a book on training bully breeds. Sounds like you’ve allowed the behavior for so long it now the normal for the animal. I trained pitties for over ten years. They were by far the easiest when it came to being housebroken. How long are you caging this animal in one sitting ? What do you do when she pees on the floor? This dog trained you not the other way around. Maybe you just don’t have the time to give the attention this breed needs to have a healthy relationship. Have you tried taken her to a professional trainer ? Have you read a book ? What steps have you taken ?♥ 4source record 916
Tbh ive always heard that nature loads the gun and environment pulls rhe trigger. It really doesnt matter how the dog is bred or what traits they have, you can successfully train any dog as long as you are giving them the environment they need to succeed (I trained a great pyranese to recall, and great pyranese are stubborn af)♥ 1source record 923
Like all these problems would go away if they just exercised the high energy dog properly, trained it right, crate trained, and got it on a better diet. If a dog is having trouble pooping, it's not getting the right diet and needs more fiber. Probably getting too many scraps of human food.♥ 2source record 953
Yes. I’m not sure how old OP’s dog is or what the dogs background is, but sometimes these things get better with time and a little bit of basic command and reactivity training. My dogs are rescues and the first year I’ve had similar hardships because they are still needing to feel safe, but it gets better after that. On the poop side… can’t OP just clean it up when the dog poops? That seems like an easy fix.♥ 2source record 955
There are breeds that can't bark. Also the breeds that do bark (most of them) do not bark randomly for no reason or at home etc. unless they have some issues.♥ 4source record 1318
It can be harsh on the other side of you aren't prepared. But the majority of this can be filtered out with good training and discipline. Frankly, being afraid to walk in your yard of shit says more about you than the dog. If you don't want to deal with that stuff, or creating by a structured environmental that fits you, a dog is def not a fun responsibility to tack on.♥ 2source record 1326
I’d be happy too if only people would train them (dogs AND kids).♥ 2source record 1345
Whether a dog barks a lot depends mostly on their breed and the individual personality of the dog. I've owned dogs my entire life, and I've had dogs that could give someone ear damage with how loud and often they barked, and then I've had other dogs who were very silent. Also dogs are not supposed to smell bad. If the dog smells bad, it's either time for them to get a bath or they have something medically wrong with them. Dogs have a smell, but it shouldn't be a bad smell.♥ 2source record 1354
Depends on the dog. I have two toddlers and a dog. My dog got a basic petco training and wants to please me, hes a breeze. My mil paid a trainer thousands and didnt implement anything (lets be real, its training the humans) it didnt happen. Now theyre living with two of the worst dogs to exist, absolute nightmare for the rest of their lives. My inlaws dont even see it. Theyve always had bad dogs. Coming home to my little posse of toddlers and dogs is actually a vacation from their nightmare♥ 3source record 1399
If your dog is still a menace at ten i would guess thats mostly on you honestly. They need structure amd consistency and at ten years old you have trained for that behavior.♥ 2source record 1451
She needs to work on the separation anxiety - dogs [barring any extreme circumstance] are completely capable of being home alone a few hours. Just today mine hung out at home for the morning-mid afternoon napping and playing with his toys while I was out at catching some waves. She's complaining about a problem she created for herself tbh.♥ 6source record 1475
Oh yes, I completely agree with you. It a ''her" problem that she has created and because of this, she has caused her dog to become anxious too, which is sad.♥ 3source record 1476
But it doesn't though... Two 30 minute walks fill up the bowl at the same time. Done. Personally we brushed our family dogs fur and teeth everyday but that is by no means required.♥ 2source record 1579
1. 10-12 hours 2. Family and friends 3. Generic annual checkups don't run thousands of dollars.♥ 2source record 1581
It’s definitely a ton of work if you want to be a good owner. Dog ownership isn’t for people who have a problem with the work that comes with it. But these specific issues are not universal because some people mind the dog’s diet and pick up their dog shit.♥ 3source record 1603
I mean that’s just badly trained dogs though. A well trained dog is chill as fuck and really low effort besides walking and grooming, but really the walks are just as much for me as they are him. Mine won’t even touch his own dinner until I say. I can even have a shower and he will wait lol. If I drop his treats in front of him he will make eye contact and wait for the release word to take it - and that’s without even telling him to wait. Sounds like your parents were just shitty dog owners and gave you a bad impression of dog ownership.♥ 8source record 1620
Gimme a break. 99% of people dont train their dogs. So "just badly trained dogs" is almost every dog.♥ 47source record 1621
Agreed. And why is that? Because training your dog takes a lot of time and effort. And some dogs don’t take to it as well, either. So the “just” in there is just months or years of concerted effort.♥ 27source record 1622
That’s still on them though? If you want to have a good experience with dog ownership you have to be prepared to train them. It would be like having a baby and never potty training or schooling them, then complaining that they are stupid and shit everywhere. To be fair though a lot of people adopt adult dogs and aren’t responsible for whatever previous issues/trauma they had.♥ 11source record 1623
I was just talking about my own experience with my own dogs mate. But I’m a responsible owner. And fwiw I come across many well behaved dogs on our walks♥ 5source record 1625
Exactly. UNTRAINED dogs.♥ 4source record 1626
All dogs are trainable; some require different approaches to training. The problem lies with the owner not wanting to be consistent and putting in the work. Our dogs tend to go in the same general areas unless there is a disruption in the space.♥ 1source record 1704
Yeah Op just doesn’t wanna train his animal♥ 1source record 1713
Idk, there is no ‘training is hard’ mentioned in the post. Just complaints about symptoms of an untrained dog. But again I don’t know how young they got it.♥ 1source record 1740
It really isn't that much work though, it's just getting them to do a trick or wait etc every time you give them a treat. It's like a few minutes a day♥ 1source record 1741
They have to bring their dog because they never put in the work. You train your dog to guard the fucking house; it's that fucking simple. Motherfucker be watching that door like a drug fiend watching his friend load the needle. Also, for this to not be a nuisance to your neighbors, you need to train them to not react to every sound so they're not barking at the door over nothing. You want them to react on visual cues.♥ 1source record 1753
The part about the dog not understanding how to play with the toddler really got to me. Like, no shit. A puppy is not going to intuit gentle play. You have to teach them.♥ 3source record 1764
They can be a lot of work, but the majority of dogs can and are left home alone while their humans are working or in school. Unless a dog has a barking issue where they bark a lot (not common), it isn’t comparable to a baby regularly crying. You fill their bowl - that’s it - which takes seconds, you don’t have to hand feed them like you do a baby. My current dog has separation anxiety, which makes him more difficult, but still not on the same level at all as having a baby. My prior dogs comfortably stayed home all day while I was at work, I took them out 2-3 times per day, play with them a bit, and the rest of the time we were mainly just hanging out and cuddling together. It got difficult when my prior dog got old and had health issues, but that was in the last months of his life. Most dogs are not that high maintenance, and are a fraction of the work and attention that a baby requires.♥ 4source record 1771
Definitely most dog complaints are made by people who weren't prepared or knowledgeable on training. Totally fair of OP to complain when it wasn't really their decision and didn't own a dog ever before that. No shade there.♥ 3source record 1780
Right, so much complaining from these so called “pet lovers” they say they love dogs but then complain of the hard work. I know most people baby their dogs and don’t train them that’s whet they become so needy etc….♥ 5source record 1793
Yeah man and that’s 100% on the owners. Unfortunately I have known needy dogs and there have been dogs (not mine) that I’ve absolutely disliked. But that isn’t on the dog, that’s on the owners. I have a Golden rn that’s not trained super well because he’s deaf so it makes some things harder but he understands sign language and is overall such a sweet good boy because I put the effort into training him because owning a dog requires such.♥ 1source record 1808
Yeah, almost everything he listed was a training and consistency issue. Can't even tell you how many people will tell me about their 'dumb dog' and once I see the situation IRL, the Dog has secured control over the entire home on his/her terms. And then within an hour or less I'll have the dog walking politely on a leash and listening to my commands off leash. I had a friend telling me how stupid his dog is, and then he described how the dog successfully breaks out of his cage by manipulating the latch. I had to walk him back through what he just described to me to see if a puzzle solving dog who manipulates human made tools is really 'stupid' or if maybe he just has a training and respect issue happening between him and his dog.♥ 1source record 1819
I can point to a room and my dog will go there.♥ 1source record 1821
To be fair, all the things op doesn’t like about the dog are a result of neglecting to train it and manage their own living space properly. Can you truly complain about problems that are your fault? Op isn’t even the owner of the dog so it’s not their fault but it definitely is their wife’s fault lmao.♥ 8source record 1840
Idk in my case the reality is also great. Dogs are awesome if you train them right♥ 4source record 1851
I agree with you. Shitty training = shitty dog = shitty owner. They are animals at the end of the day you have to train them to behave and learn the things you want them to do. If you can’t do that maybe get a gold fish next time♥ 2source record 1853
It is all dogs. You just think "not my dog" because thats what everyone thinks. And it may be true for you. But 99% of dogs are poorly trained or not trained at all. Its a huge problem.♥ 11source record 1880
A poorly trained dog is a human issue not a dog issue.♥ 23source record 1882
Right? Is the dog going to train itself? lmao♥ 8source record 1883
In general I would agree with this sentiment, but objectively, most of the things OP complained about are not inherent to dog ownership, they’re inherent to poor handling. It’s maybe not his fault if he wasn’t the one raising the dog, but it’s also not the dogs’ fault. In more capable hands those things wouldn’t be an issue. And since he already has the dogs, he should maybe try to solve them instead of being resentful.♥ 1source record 1902
That idea that having a “perfect little angel” of a dog is a luck thing is a big part of the problem. It’s not luck. It’s work. Starting from the choice of a breed, the breeder, the puppy classes and the consistency afterwards. You could be unlucky and have issues out of your control. But that’s not the case for most problematic dogs.♥ 1source record 1905
To an extent though. I mean you shouldn't really be doing that if you've been at work all day already, and even when you do go out it shouldn't really be more than 6 hours♥ 1source record 1909
Yeah man things are kinda different dog to dog. Like one diet may be different than other dogs. Further training might help. I kinda lucked out and idk your situation but she might need more actual walks rather than just sending her outside. I guess its not for everyone lol 🤷🏽♥ 2source record 1995
Train your dog. Clean it's shit. Feed them on a schedule so they shit at the same time every day. Time their second walk accordingly. No shit in your garden. Train the dog to not eat things unless you give them permission. That's the minimum expected of you. Train them to be gentle when they play. If they aren't gentle, don't let them play. Jesus christ. If you aren't capable of responsibly owning a dog, don't get a dog.♥ 7source record 2032
OP just doesn’t know how to train a dog. Wild.♥ 2source record 2063
Pet ownership is supposed to be a joy, not a chore. Good dogs are well trained and don’t need to be managed much. You are never forced to get pets and anyone acting like they have to keep a dog that makes their life miserable is weird.♥ 3source record 2094
Owning a dog is easy. Really feels like you are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Dogs shit, buy a shovel and clean your yard, that's a well known and understood part of having a dog. Dogs are curious but also trainable. Teach her to not pick things up or bite at things without your permission. There's many YouTube videos on this if you need help. Yes just even old dogs can learn new tricks. Dogs are high energy but again TRAIN your dog. A dog can easily be taught to stop when playing. If you dog keeps playing after you want them to stop it's because they have never been trained not to do that. None of this is new, special or unknown. Honestly man you got to take some responsibility here. All your complaints boil down to you thought dogs came preprogrammed to be well trained, and now that you're learning you have to train them suddenly being a dog owner sucks.♥ 2source record 2127
you gotta train your dog bro♥ 2source record 2129
Sounds like you need to train the dog♥ 2source record 2131
Hey OP a lot of that could be helped with some training and boundaries - you can train your dog to respect your personal space and not be rough with the kiddo. You might need to hire a pro for a bit. The dog poop - when I didn’t want to deal with finding my dogs poop in a yard I just restrict his access to the yard and he only poops when I’m walking him. I do think a lot of this is chaos you could potentially get a handle on♥ 2source record 2155
A huge tip, make sure they get their needed mental stimulation too. Dogs are like toddlers, if all you let them do is sit around and watch you watch tv, they’ll go nuts when something mundane happens (like someone walking up the street). Don’t get me wrong there are some dogs that just bark a lot - but anecdotally all those people I’ve met complaining about it all have dogs that go unwalked, unplayed with, and underestimated. Pets and kisses aren’t enough and I wish more people realized that.♥ 2source record 2156
Proper training will avoid like 90% of the problems dog owners complain about♥ 2source record 2169
This honestly sounds like a skill issue. Take your dog walks and have them poop on walks, proper training would have them not shitting in your garden. Again, they shouldnt eat stuff unless theyre told its okay, training. Dogs are pack animals, they are clingy. Did you not know this before you got one?? Just lock the dog inside whilst youre playing with the kid until he gets older. I honestly dont see the big deal. You feed em, you walk em, you bathe them every now and then… if you put the work in training them when they were young then the rest is easy♥ 2source record 2208
So you don't pickup your dogs shit, and you didn't train them at all is what I'm getting out of this.♥ 2source record 2247
All of these are solved with training (which is not hard) and breed. There are plenty of dog breeds that don’t shed everywhere and several of them are very common. Short haired dogs all smell and shed. Walking shouldn’t really be a chore but there are lazy ass people in this world that can’t touch grass for 15 minutes lol.♥ 5source record 2266
The dog is not trained. Read a book and teach the dog. Once they know how to act, you don't have to watch them constantly. They have to respect ppl's space and things. And make some frkn rules. The dog is NOT to shit in the yard; it must be walked and poop must be scooped. Granted, it's not easy. But take the time and it pays off. Once you trust them, it makes everything so much easier.♥ 1source record 2283
The key is to train your dog to do and act exactly as you want, which is 100% possible♥ 1source record 2339
It is. But of all the animals to own, dogs are by far the easiest to train and have them do what you find acceptable is this not true?♥ 1source record 2367
I think this stuff is all par for the course with Dog ownership. Yes you have to train them if you want some control. If they are trained you'll have commands to stop them from eating random stuff while on walks, sit, stay, come, drop, leave it, NO, etc. All really important if you want to protect them. Yes you have to let them out, give them a yard they can't just run away from, and clean up after them. That last one is the prime reason all parents don't want to let their kid get a dog. They have the talk about responsibility, how kid will be be responsible for feeding and cleaning up, and training their dog. Most parents know, 6 yr old Jimmy is way to distracted to clean up the dog poop in the yard on the regular For me I had two dogs the last 16 years. It was a lot of poop but my wife and I split that duty so, we did it once a week, no matter what. If you don't want to step in it, clean it up twice a week. Make a chore for your kids. Vet Bills; The older they get the more you go to the vet. Some people don't bother beyond shots and when something is really wrong. Shit ain't cheap if you really want to take care of the dog's health. If you want to avoid some expensive visits, brush your dogs teeth daily. All the dogs we've owned started having teeth pulled around year 8, never failed, even though we tried to brush and clean them regularly. Get their anal glands expressed. If you take your dog to a groomer they may offer that, otherwise learn to do it yourself or the vet can do it as well. If your dog is dragging their ass on the carpet, excessively licking their butt, yeah you need to get their anal glands expressed, have fun. Walks, exercise your dog daily. If you need an hour a day, your dog needs it to. Don't over feed, fat dog = more issues = move vet visits = more money spent. For the most part, yes Pet ownership is expensive. Proper pet care over their lifetime is more expensive and time consuming. I don't think it sucks though. The companionship and love you receive from a dog is hard to find in life.♥ 2source record 2382
That’s because kids manhandle dogs. It makes sense that a dog wouldn’t want to be grabbed badly by a young child.♥ 4source record 2405
No offense, but sounds more like you thought dogs were going to understand how to behave by themselves. This us why you educate the dog as soon as possible. You teach them ONE POOPING/PEEING SPOT, you teach them not to eat anyrhing, you teach them how to behave. I've got no issues with mine, because I "train them" since they're puppies.♥ 1source record 2413
It sounds like your dog is a good girl and very loved but maybe not terribly well trained?♥ 1source record 2415
Every single point you brought up is a lack of training issue. People get dogs without knowing how to raise a dog and then complain their dogs don't behave how they want. Pick up a book or watch some YouTube. Dogs are loving animals and they want to please you, teach them how you want them to act. This applies to the pooping in the backyard, knocking over your kid and the rest.♥ 1source record 2425
Those are just problems with this dog (1) and poor training (2 and 3)♥ 1source record 2428
A lot of these issues resolve themselves with boundaries and training. Owning a dog is not the problem, letting your dog own you is.♥ 1source record 2434
A lot that is specific to your dog's personality, also don't be afraid to put your foot down with your dog!♥ 1source record 2484
> First off, the shitting. My god. I have never been more scared in my life of walking into my own backyard. I’ve stepped on dog shit more times than I can count. On top of that, she has a hard time pooping, so instead of one spot, she leaves a whole trail of shit across the grass. Okay so that dog doesn't seem houseclean because that would also include your own backyard, a properly raised dog doesn't just shit anywhere they want, they keep it for the walks, exceptions exist ofc e.g. when the dog got diarreah or similar stomach problems from the food. But usually you should be able to always notice when the dog takes a shit and normally they get trained to take that dump during walks. Can still be gross tho especially if their diet leads to more fluid poop than solid ones, my brother feeds his dog human food all the time, a chicken, a bit of beef, all seasoned and while he "licks off" the seasoning beforehand that just isn't enough so I regularly have to pick up a "line" of poop instead of some solid turd... As for the rest of the post, yeah seems that dog didn't enjoy much education at all, most dog breeds are similar to toddlers meaning they need structure and conditioning, how old is that dog? If you're interested maybe you can still start educating the dog now, start by going for a walk every day at the exact same times, come up with a signal before each walk if the dog doesn't have one already and read up on how to properly raise a dog. Other than that it really depends on the breed, there's breeds that require you to put them trough extensive training every day otherwise they get too bored, e.g. Viszlas require some hide and fetch games that involve running distances, my friend will take her Viszla to the woods, will hide one of her toys there, walk a kilometer or so and then tell the dog to go grab the toy, then she waits. Doesn't really take that long for the dog to return because they can easily reach 60 km/h, it's amazing seeing a Viszla speed up. But otherwise a Viszla will sleep a lot throughout the day so aside from the training (which takes around 1-2 or slightly more hours) they're not that exhausting imo, they sleep around 8-12 hours a day. So if you're interested read up on the breed of the dog and checkout some training material, how much sleep they require *(might need to create a place for them to 'escape')*, what nutrition they should get and create scheduled walks, "a lot of effor into taking care of her" sounds nice but doesn't mean it's right if the method of care is wrong and given how you describe the poop, seems like the nutrition is wrong too. Other than that, see this is a preparation for when you decide to have a child, it'll be more exhausting than having a dog.♥ 1source record 2495
Most of these complaints is just not being a good owner lmao. All of those are fixable problems with training and feeding the dog the right food♥ 1source record 2526
I got my first dog around a year ago and I agree that it's life-changing. Not sure if I would ever get a second one. However, most of the things you are talking about could easily be addressed through training and a consistent schedule. She's clingy and "does not understand how to chill the fuck out"? Well, maybe teach her how to settle? Take her out to poop?♥ 1source record 2528
You're not wired to be a dog owner, and that's ok. Part of being a responsible dog owner is training your dog, and almost no one takes the time to do that. I don't know what those stats are, but it's *very* rare that I see someone out loose leash walking their dog by their side, where their dog doesn't freak out at every little distraction. If you train your dog, dog ownership is easy.♥ 1source record 2540
I 24M have raised a goldendoodle by myself since he was 7 weeks old. The first 3 months are a nightmare but with the right training and patience and help it really isn’t that bad. Hes a year and 6 months now and he’s a fantastic dog because of the training and research I did.♥ 1source record 2551
There’s so many uneducated comments who are complaining about simple fixable issues. I’m not going to reply to all of them but damn seek a professional trainer. The average person doesn’t know anything about dogs, and “dog lovers” often think they know more than they do and avoid taking advice. Your lives would all be easier if you find a trainer and learn more about dog behavior♥ 2source record 2563
sounds like you need to train your dog better.♥ 1source record 2584
I don’t own a dog so I might be awfully wrong, but I feel like these things could be solved with some training, maybe ?♥ 1source record 2632
You sound like a poor pack leader. With domestic dogs they are nonviolent because they see their owner as their pack leader, which in the wild is really just the dog that leads their clan.♥ 2source record 2664
I mean this just sounds like standard dog things that can happen. You’re just not accustomed to it from a young age like many dog owners are. It’s usually encouraged that a first time dog owner do thorough research on breeds, temperament and training so they can get a good idea of what they feel is reasonable to handle. But you sort of got thrown into the fire which is why it may feel overwhelming. I highly recommend **Zak George** on YouTube to get a better understanding and feel more at ease as a dog owner.♥ 3source record 2669
She sounds poorly trained with stomach issues that aren't taken care of.♥ 1source record 2692
Since training dogs for 9 years, yeah I agree lol♥ 1source record 2706
So you didn’t train your dog♥ 1source record 2711
Train your dog and pick up their shit, enjoy the conditional love♥ 1source record 2778
everything(but the dog poo) has to do with training. More enrichment and she'll stop eating slugs and and her bouncing off the walls♥ 1source record 2811
As someone who trains and walks my dog, honestly don’t have to deal with any of this. If you can’t put her in a “stay” while you and your boy play, or stop her from eating something she’s not supposed to, that’s on you♥ 1source record 2846
Summary OP, "I got a dog that I didn't know how to care for, what responsibilities it entailed, and I don't know how to train. My lack of understanding of what it takes to care for a dog is the dogs fault."♥ 1source record 2872
Sounds to me like all of these issues can be fixed with training. And by picking up the dog poop with a bag as soon as she goes. I don’t know what breed you have, but that has a pretty big part to play in behaviors, and if you don’t do any training those behaviors just run wild. I have 3 dogs of my own, and it’s just me and my dogs. I have a husky/Australian shepherd mix, a standard poodle, and a Belgian malinois. I didn’t do any type of extreme training with them, simply rewarded behaviors I like. My dogs are extremely well behaved, almost to the point where being around other people’s dogs is hard because mine are so good.♥ 1source record 2910
Honestly I doubt I'll make a difference in the sea of comments but I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Apologies for the long comment too. I have personally had 5 dogs so far during my life. 3 of which have been solely my responsibility (one point had two at once) and I still have my current one. As others have stated, training is definitely key to this but you will need to power through this. If you genuinely are struggling to juggle between work, home life (including your family), and just life in general, then looking to get good quality professional help is definitely an option, but only if that is affordable. There's absolutely no shame in getting extra help, especially with the things you have stated as it will not be easy and will take months to train them. It took me years since it was just me and I had no money for extra help and was a bit naive to assume I could do it with no problems. The saying "it takes a village to raise a child" can absolutely apply to some dogs. Now I have mostly had it relatively easy myself but have had to have all but one and my current one put to sleep due to health issues or one case of false report of a biting while aggressive (which was actually self defence to being kicked). Oh the wonders of life. My current one is by far the worst one I have ever had behaviour wise. I rescued her from an abusive household and it literally took years to undo a lot of the damages they did to her. Most of which was due to the mental abuse and physical violence of her previous owners (mostly the male partner slamming things and stabbing her with cutlery and physical attacks too) and unfortunately a family friend who I had to give an ultimatum too a few years ago whom was temporarily taking care of her whilst I was looking for a home after I had to leave my then current home discovered the cutlery issue by accident when she dropped a fork. She decided it was a good idea to use it whenever she "misbehaved" aka, didn't listen to her shouting and frustration at her. (We are also no longer speaking) It then took almost a year after that to undo the set back that she instilled into my dog again. She is in her senior years now but despite the rough first few years she is actually very good. She is now obviously a bit more clingy in her senior years but that is natural. I know it's going to be a long journey for you but if you can get that training in it is absolutely worth it and for your dog in particular, it's absolutely necessary for their health and your health, including your family. If you read this or not, I genuinely hope the best for you and your family and hopefully the training goes well.♥ 1source record 2911
You know you are supposed to train youe dog to behave the way you want right?♥ 1source record 2912
Wow. Dogs are pack animals and very social creatures with high EQ. If you don't want a shadow, don't get a dog, and reconsider having a family because kids are the same way. Having a dog is like having a 3-year-old for a long time; some breeds are instinctively intelligent, while others are more cerebral. Saw both with my two dogs. Dogs can actually be trained to do a lot. My grandfather trained his dog to poop in only one area of the yard. We trained our dogs not to consume anything without being given a specific command. At most, they just pointed us to things they wanted to show us instead of bringing them.♥ 1source record 2925
Yes to all of that, but the part of the dog eating stuff or being clingy. That stuff can be trained pretty good. Takes some time, but you can pretty much get every dog to only eat what you allow him, no expectations even when he's unsupervised. Being alone and not being allowed to join in play are also things and boundaries you can teach a dog. Don't get me wrong I don't expect people to take the time and do this kind of training, but I can highly recommend it, to make your dogs life a whole lot easier. I've heard they are as capable as a 6y/o in some cases, so you certainly benefit from good 'parenting'.♥ 1source record 2940
The whole story sounds like you have not trained with the dog and do not walk with her. A dog needs training so you understand each other,the dog gets socialized and learns a lot of things. You get to know your dog. I spend a year with all my dogs training roughly once a week.♥ 1source record 2949
Dogs are people too, but different breeds have different traits and tempraments. They're all different, but can learn how to behave. If your dog is misbehaving, I blame the parents.♥ 1source record 2994
I wouldnt want one/the responsability either. But this just sounds like that dog isnt trained at all.♥ 1source record 2995
I'm not saying having a dog is easy but it's a lot easier if you give the dog training. Although training is a big time investment. Comparing my experience with my family dog vs my dog it's night and day. My family dog had separation anxiety, would tear up the house, eat our food, shit on the table, bark at ppl, antisocial, bolt out the door any chance he had, etc. My experience with my dog that I got around 8 weeks from the pound was way better after I had him trained but it still is work and kinda expensive. If I go out of town and have no coverage the I have to pay for boarding or someone to watch him. I probably won't get another dog anytime soon after my dog passes. Love him but with 3 kids it doesn't make anything easier.♥ 1source record 3018
Owning a dog sucks if you don’t train it and let it shit wherever it wants in your backyard. FTFY.♥ 1source record 3034
some folks here get it. Dogs are living sentient creatures with understanding and emotions. Like anything else, they take a careful hand to set them straight. We are on our 3rd Husky. ALL DOGS CAN BE TRAINED. Every one has been the sweetest most loyal dog and lived out their lives to the fullest. Our last one, had something similar happen, had been attacked several times. Twice it was a bloodbath, most of it mine for getting in the middle of it. Yeah, it altered his behavior. He trusted no other dog at that point, unless it was a smaller one. Another big dog? it was on. But to be honest. It is my opinion that was caused mostly by us and OUR fear of what another encounter could be. Dogs feed on and will react on that. Our current husky has continued the tradition of being sweet, nuts and well adjusted. Yeah, they can be a lot of work, but for some of us, I would rather that work than any other. Oh and to speak to the "baby lite" comments. Um absofuckinglutely not. Not even close. Babies are helpless (I have raised 3), dogs are not. Children have language and understanding, guess what? So do dogs... Learn how to communicate with them. Do what someone else mentioned, look at breeds and lifestyle BEFORE you get a dog. Down here in south Florida, dogs are a damn handbag accessory. 😖😖😖 sorry, rant over.♥ 1source record 3049
Owning a dog is amazing. Stop being lazy and walk your dog and pick up its shit. Invest time while they are young in to training and you will have an amazing dog for its life. It's not dog ownership that sucks, it's sucky owners♥ 1source record 3055
you're getting mad at a dog seeing a child run and wanting to participate in the chasing? you're getting mad at a dog... for being a dog♥ 1source record 3071
Everything OP said about dogs is true, but also easily fixable. Just requires some smarts and a little effort. Dogs are cool and love you more than anything.♥ 1source record 3090
Yeah it’s not exactly a secret that dogs require training. You can train dogs out of clinginess and eating things off the ground. They aren’t cats.♥ 1source record 3106
Thank you for the honesty OP, owning a dog is certainly more responsibility than most people realize. That being said, I highly suggest you look into training the dog, or having it trained. Both you dog and your family will be happier and more comfortable with each other.♥ 1source record 3118
All that's missing is proper training when they're young♥ 1source record 3139
You know you can train your dog‘s behaviour though ?♥ 1source record 3176
A lot of that is just training. Clingy dogs weren’t taught to self settle and be okay entertaining themselves or being alone. Poop everywhere is the owners fault. Get a scooper, watch them poop and get it after they poop. The real drag to dogs is the first 2 years especially the puppy phase. That’s when you create the good habits and it’s hard to do that. If you get through thst then it gets a lot easier.♥ 1source record 3182
almost all of these complaints have pretty easy solutions♥ 1source record 3219
In my mind if I think about the play scenario with the kid, it’s like if you had a step daughter and got annoyed they also wanted to play when you 2 were playing. Especially if it’s their favourite game. What dog doesn’t love playing chase?♥ 1source record 3229
The thing people forget is dogs need to be trained. It sounds like your dog is not trained well…. They are significantly less work when you put in that work. But it’s work, regardless.♥ 1source record 3256
Can't get a rembrant by throwing paint at a canvas. Train the dog. There's no such thing as a shit dog just shit owners.♥ 1source record 3257
You need to man up buddy. Dogs are a huge responsibility but will pay you back a thousand fold with endless love and loyalty. Get a routine going and maybe some dog training to help set much needed boundaries that need to be patiently taught. You'll get there, will just take a bit of time.♥ 1source record 3270
training, you need to train your loveable idiot to sit/stay instead of cleaning out your son during play. I've a greyhound, my girl grey would try to knock you down if you run around the yard with her, coz she thinks you're the idiot and are super slow. For a skinny long dog when she hip checks you, its like getting hit by a tank. But yes dogs are abit of work.♥ 1source record 3274
Sounds like….typical dog behavior♥ 1source record 3285
Have you tried training the dog? Might help.♥ 1source record 3300
When we choose dogs, it is important to look at personality and energy level of the dog so they can fit into our lives. How and where the dog poops and pees is due to training. In 20 years, our medium mongrel has pooped twice in the house and peed a dozen times, most of the time in the bathroom drain where he was trained to pee. I take him out for walks to poop and pee outside at the park.♥ 1source record 3321
so.. complete lack of training and you think its the dogs fault? Its like saying that you can't stand how young people behave but yet - allow your own kid to be a feral street scumbag. .♥ 1source record 3332
This is an undertrained dog. My dog is incredible - and hear you on the pooping but after living in the city for a long time where I picked up every poop off the sidewalk - we bought a 10 acre property with a lot of woodland and it’s a dream to only deal with stuff in the immediate vicinity of the house.♥ 1source record 3371
Yeah for sure an unpopular opinion. Most people would just train their dog…♥ 1source record 3394
You haven’t properly trained your dog. That’s the crux of it.♥ 1source record 3399
You can train your dog not to poop in the garden quite easily, both of mine know they aren’t allowed to go there! Watch a couple of YouTube vids, it really isn’t that much works.♥ 1source record 3400
That is an untrained dog with a poor diet. Dogs are basically young children.♥ 2source record 3407
Training ✨✨✨♥ 1source record 3418
I get it. My parents had so many pets growing up. My mom was a cat lover. So much shit and food and mess.That said, its a responsibility like anything else that you didn't choose. I felt very much the same when it wasn't my choice. I got a dog for the first time in my life and so much of it comes down to the breed, the kind of food, and the amount of excercise they get. Sounds like your grandmas dog isn't getting the amount of exercise that the breed requires. Hounds are very active dogs. To be frank, they are hunting dogs. They require activity, walks and lots of play. More than anyone thinks. I think its a case of wrong breed, wrong home. I'm sorry you're dealing with that.♥ 1source record 3427
You can train most of that, FYI. Takes work but it’s worth it. The lack of spatial awareness maybe not, but that’s highly breed dependent. Lots of folks avoid your lab/golden/bullies especially because they have no need or awareness of personal space (and like to eat everything).♥ 1source record 3439
Good luck trying to get a dog to not play chase. That's like throwing a ball and expecting them to ignore it. The yard would go better if you stayed out with her, she would probably love you more for it too. Dogs love to do their favorite things with their favorite human.♥ 1source record 3445
90% of this can be remedied with behavioral training. I firmly believe that if people think they want a dog but aren’t immediately going to get really into training, they should get a cat.♥ 1source record 3456
Ok as someone who is in their mid 30s and has always owned multiple dogs I think this sounds like an untrained dog. A trained dog is not this much of an issue, they know their boundaries and they know where to go to the toilet. I’ve never had this issue with trails or pools of dog poo, that’s wild. I’ve also owned a cat and the litter box was WAY worse than picking up dog poo after they go with a doggy bag. If your dog is having runny poo you need to change their diet, change to food for sensitive tummies. Their poos should be solid and easy to clean up.♥ 1source record 3509
Puppies are almost universally difficult but a good, well behaved dog that listens to you is priceless.♥ 1source record 3582
From a dogs point of view, you guys are the pack. There is no "I can't be involved." Concept wouldn't exist to them by my reckoning♥ 1source record 3583
So aside from the poop, it sounds like you have an untrained dog. Yeah, that isn't as fun as a trained, well adjusted pup. The chasing during tag? Use a crate or teach how to stay. The trying to eat things? Again, training to not eat anything unless told to. So yeah, owning a dog without putting in the work to properly train them will lead to a less pleasant experience.♥ 1source record 3610
The majority of this post reads less like "dogs are inherently an absurd responsibility" and more like "my dog has never been taught boundaries or managed consistently." And "my wife and her grandmother put a lot of effort into taking care of her" isn't necessarily the same thing as training her. You can walk a dog every day, feed it perfectly, take it to every vet appointment, and still have a completely untrained dog. Eating random stuff, barging into play, knocking over your kid, refusing to settle, and constantly demanding involvement are all things you train boundaries and impulse control around. Walking her and taking her to the vet is responsible ownership, but it isn't the same thing as training. You're just not communicating to your dog properly.♥ 1source record 3625
You know that you can train dogs to act how you want them to act, right? It's kind of the biggest selling point of dogs as a pet, that you actually have a degree of control over their behaviour unlike most other pets. If you just aren't sure how, feel free to reach out and I can happily give you step by step instructions for each behavioural issue. Some dogs are tougher than others, but all dogs can be trained.♥ 1source record 3634
These are trainable behaviours, you realize?♥ 1source record 3645
Im sure youre a great father. However, everything you just described is trainable. These are all literally things you will have to teach your son. Youre actively complaining about the responsibility of a living creature after having created a living creature. That is terrifying to think about for your child. Edit: The idea that these basic (besides the pooping, but literally just watch the dog when you let it out to poop?) things to teach are a nuisance is definitely wild. I can understand a lot of the other things being a nuisance when it comes to dogs but this is just pure owner laziness.♥ 1source record 3651
None of those issues seem like an inherent dog issue and more of a training or lack of issue. I’ve had dogs my entire life and don’t suffer from this, because of training. It’s like having a child, giving them no discipline, direction, or guidance, and then complaining how much of a nightmare they are. Dogs are much easier to train than kids but dog ownership and the responsibility of training a dog to act how you want them to isn’t for everyone.♥ 1source record 3658
Jsut cuz someone “takes care” doesn’t mean they know how to train the dog, discipline it, etc. I’m sorry your experience of dogs and lack of ability to train it has led to this. It ain’t the dogs fault..♥ 1source record 3675
you need to fucking train her, what to do and what not.♥ 1source record 3677
Every complaint you have just reinforces one thing thoroughly. You have no idea how to train a dog. Dogs only freely shit in yards if you let them. Dogs only eat whatever they want if you let them. Dogs only hit you with nonstop clinginess and aggressive play if you let them. All of these inconveniences can be rectified but you clearly have no idea how to do it, which is to be expected because you don't have any experience or training. So it's fair. But man, it's crazy to me how many people willingly bring an animal into their homes and then just expect it to *be* the way they want. That doesn't work with children either btw...you sort of have to educate them and teach them lessons otherwise they'll tear your house apart and shit everywhere too.♥ 0source record 3744
All dogs are great and good training goes a long way. It’s not a breed specific thing. You wouldn’t raise a child and not take them to school lol♥ 4source record 3749
Tell me you didn't train the dog at all withouttelli g me you didn't train the dog at all. Digs aren't fish, robot vacuums or cats. They have upkeep and will 100% be a menace to yourselves and neighbors if left to figure out things on their own.♥ 1source record 3751
Sounds like YOU didn't do the research and did not train your dog properly.♥ 1source record 3763
All the things you mentioned can be changed with training, you can train your dog to not poop in a yard, to stay in one place and not move. And change poor dogs diet 😭 Sorry but I think you are just expecting dog to know how to behave without any work with it.♥ 1source record 3794
You have a kid yeah? When you had her I assume she…would shit her pants constantly…and be fragile as fuck…and eat anything that she could put in her mouth….and cost you “out the ass” at the doctors…was probably pretty clingy also… How did you fix those traits in your daughter? Prob the same approach for the dog… my attitude above is meant as a joke… but seriously I don’t think they have to be a huge responsibility, but they do have to be well trained and have expectations set early on. I own a dog related business and see all kinds of dogs. The “best ones” are the ones that had the tough love put in early and now know how to behave. still have fun, go mad and enjoy life…but behave My dog (girl, 1.5 years old) is never on lead, she stays close and only need to say her name once and she will come back. I tell her to not eat something she won’t eat it. She poos in the same spot most of the time. She is absolutely fucking beautiful 😂🙈 and i love her more than i knew was possible 😭 4 weeks of training when we got her; and now i have this perfect dog that requires no work at all..!♥ 1source record 3811
Most of these things can be fixed, but YOU have to work at it. A dog wants to please.♥ 1source record 3812
Yes, I am extremely biased because our goldens are both pure angels. But much like children, good/poor behavior in dogs is directly related to the owners.♥ 1source record 3833
YESSSSS!!!! If you're not going to properly train them and take care of them, it's best not to have them (kinda like kids 😁).♥ 1source record 3851
So you didn't train them, you didn't teach them to be calm when playing, you don't clean up their messes. Then when it became an issue you decided to just blame the dog and act like your neglectful ownership is just the fault of all dogs. You don't get to ignore training and act like they're supposed to be a perfect angel without it.♥ 1source record 3854
Owning an untrained dog sucks*♥ 1source record 3855
All that’s trainable♥ 1source record 3876
You’re not wrong but everything you mentioned as challenges are things that need to be actively dealt with and then they go away. You got another child not a dog. Until they are like 3-4 (with training and some work) then they become more of the dog you are used to.♥ 1source record 3934
Hound dogs smell everything and eat a lot of non foods. Lol. Train to poop in a certain place, use a leash in ur backyard. Train train training. Good luck, I hear ya!!♥ 1source record 3952
Sounds like the dog was either not trained, or trained poorly. Our goldendoodle has never had human food before. Before kids we’d eat steaks off the ottoman leaning against the couch and she showed zero interest. We both leave the room and that steak might as well be a wall. “Buying” pet affection with treats and food is certainly a decision. It’s not life or death, but it does set up guidelines that will be paid for later. Also the shitting randomly in the yard. I get it’s an inherited dog but you could have restricted the dog to a corner for the first few weeks to make sure all potty time occurs there. Attention? That’s just dogs being a part of the family. They too are social creatures. Let them live and experience fun with you and your child, because once they’re gone it’s a big hole.♥ 1source record 4022
no because if your roommate shat on the floor or never used a toilet it would be unacceptable i get we hold humans to a different standard but maybe our pets need to adapt and grow with us♥ -1source record 4085
Translation: i have made no attempt to train my dog but then take no responsibility when it doesn't behave how I want.♥ 1source record 4096
I feel like training would help. My dog uses one area as a bathroom. Teaching stay or go home would help with playing w your kid and unwanted cuddling.♥ 1source record 4097
Reading posts like this really breaks my mind. Like the most basic training and yard maintenance would avoid these issues. The love and family provided by a dog is so worth whatever inconveniences there are. This most might as well say why have human babies when you need to change diapers and deal with temper tantrums. I don’t know, love???♥ 1source record 4099
Sounds like a lack of training tbh. You can train the dog to be chill when playing with your kid. You can train the dog to poop and pee in certain areas of the house. There’s always a way to teach your dog especially if they’re food motivated.♥ 1source record 4126
Most of this is training. I've owned dogs for the last 9 years and they have been the best of my life.♥ 1source record 4150
A lot of this sounds like training and behavioral intervention might help - it won’t fix how you feel but may lessen the blow♥ 1source record 4156
People think owning a dog is easy and is just give him/her food and take on walks and that’s it. Until they realize they are not born smart and understanding of what we want for them, and you have to use your time to teach them and watch out for them to not eat something because they don’t know. It’s same as a baby, you wouldn’t let your baby eat little toys on the floor and then blame it on a baby.♥ 1source record 4188
Oh my god, if only this was all preventable. "I hate owning a dog because I've gone about it in a dumb way and made it really hard on myself" Literally all of this is fixable with proper management and training. Jesus.♥ 1source record 4189
This is a description of a consequences of not investing enough time and effort on training and raising a dog. The problem is most people are getting "cute fluffy toys" and not taking any responsibility, or underestimating the importance of training. We have a 3y.o. golden, well behaved, fully trained and just lowest maintenance boy you could wish for♥ 1source record 4196
A lot of this things can be taken care of with training. Like the bathroom stuff - I’ve never been afraid of stepping in dog shit in my backyard, nor have I ever stepped in it in my backyard. She goes to the bathroom when I ask her to, then I pick it up, and there aren’t any surprises sitting around in my yard. Feeding them appropriate foods, being consistent with what and when they eat, and creating a schedule for the bathroom. Same with being clingy, the way you respond to it can make them more or less clingy. Now, dogs are a lot of effort, and a lot of time, to take care of the way they deserve. That’s for sure. At the same time, a lot of things people find exhausting about having dogs are things that are modifiable if they train them appropriately.♥ 1source record 4218
It's called training♥ 1source record 4224
40 year dog owner here: Train. Your. Dog. You can train dogs to do (or not do) pretty much anything. * Teach them to poop in a designated area. Mine shits in a 10x10 zone out behind the shed. It's easy af to clean up because of it (he is also a walking pooper, lol) . * Teach them not to willy nilly eat shit off the ground. "Leave it" is your friend. * Give them crate / separation time. Each day the dog gets some solo time. If they whine or bark, ignore them. Don't acknowledge it at all. Do this enough and over time it will reduce clinginess and anxiety. Dogs are absurdly easy to train. You haven't trained out some behaviors that are some of the more common ones people train around. So, do that. Owning a dog can ve very little work. What you do or don't train them to do is what makes or breaks how much work you're going to deal with.♥ 1source record 4237
If you’re playing with the kid then you’re also playing with the dog, no 2 ways about it, the dog should be looked at like your child, yes they are annoying at times but they’re also there happy to see you when you come home from work♥ 1source record 4242
This all just Sounds Like nobody Actually educated her. And i don't mean the crate training, e-collar bullshit. It's so sad the knowledge just starts spreading how dogs can bei properly raised. I feel you, man, been there.♥ 1source record 4263
Your dog needs training btw, dogs can learn boundaries around eating things or playing too rough, but it requires a professional as the way dogs learn is different than humans and breed specific. to the dog, jumping on a playmate or eating something that moves is normal, but also, they’re conditioned through thousands of years of evolution to follow the behavior patterns that their handler reinforces. The problem is we think of reinforcing in human terms such as getting angry and yelling at the dog when they upset us, and saying praising when they make us happy. This is confusing because the dog doesn’t know how to generate the right reaction from you and ends up going off instinct. There’s no way for a dog to intrinsically know the play doesn’t involve them or that a child isn’t a littermate. The best advice I can give in a Reddit comment is to reinforce when the dog is performing the behaviors you want, for example, give a treat and command sit/stay when you want to play with just your son, play calmly(dogs respond to our energy, if we’re wild, they get wild), when the dog starts to move, stop playing, reinforce sit/stay, and give a treat upon compliance. You’ll be shocked how quickly the dog gets with the program and that they’ll probably seem more relaxed knowing what’s expected of them. Other advice is to give regular walks and watch videos on how to do it properly, human should be leading/going through doors first, no pulling, no stopping unless the human stops first. The walk is the best way to tire them out and reinforce who’s in charge. Also boundaries around meal time, no begging or feeding dog at the table, they eat from their bowl and that’s it. Doing this will condition the dog to know what’s “right” and chill them out as they mature.♥ 1source record 4265
Sounds like their dog is untrained and under stimulated. Dogs like boundaries. Dogs energy needs to be drained both physically and mentally. Well trained dogs are awesome. Untrained dogs are a nightmare.♥ 1source record 4270
It sounds like they haven’t trained the dog :/ sorry this fell onto you, op. Having a pet isn’t just having them and paying for them. It’s teaching them and giving them tasks they thrive in. They’re like hyperactive kids. I know this shouldn’t be your job alone and having other people can make it impossible, but this is a real sit down and decide how to go forward conversation that requires follow through like your toddler would. It’s not just on you. Or at least it shouldn’t be.♥ 1source record 4274
Sure, if you neglect teaching house training and let the dog pee/poop inside.♥ 1source record 4340
Lol this should be renamed "Having an untrained dog sucks." Everything you listed is trainable. Don't get me wrong there a days where l having a dog just sucks, but really my dude, if you are planing on keeping puppers long term, train it. It will make your life easier.♥ 1source record 4341
You're expecting a DOG to act like a CHILD. Don't get any more dogs.♥ 1source record 4344
I'm not a dog person, but my girlfriend has one and he is trained. She asked me to take care of him for 16 days and he was great. She did show me how to qork with him and that helped a lot. That being said, I'd take a bullet for him. If you can afford a great trainer, do it. If not, don't get a dog. That's my take on this.♥ 1source record 4365
then train your dog♥ 1source record 4394
All of these problems are your fault. Train your dog.♥ 1source record 4401
As me and my girlfriend like to say when our cats are being annoying, "you can always get a rock and put an end to it." Which means you either put up or shut up. Having animals is like having kids. You learn to love them no matter what they do. It's just part of the agreement. Otherwise, get rid of them. Maybe it wouldn't shit so weird if you fed it better food. Maybe leave the dog inside or elsewhere or tied up when you're playing with your kid?♥ 1source record 4418
This is a really long way to say 'i didn't bother to train my dog and i hate it now'♥ 1source record 4484
I wouldn’t blame dogs. A lot of this sounds like lack of training. My dog doesn’t eat shit she’s not supposed to. She poops when we walk her. The clingyness is probably anxiety. Maybe if someone fed her better food and walked her and trained her none of this would happen. When dogs have things that are upsetting their owners, it’s often the owners fault. Talk about a lack of self awareness.♥ 1source record 4497
You have to train your dog. It sounds like you haven’t trained it♥ 1source record 4501
Then why get a dog to begin with ? You know they’re hard work especially when they’re puppies. And yes the owner has a lot to do with how the dog acts when it’s grown. I trained my lab at a very young age. By 6 months she was already potty trained and knew tons of commands. She’s now 5 years old and has never had an accident in the house and is well-behaved around kids and other dogs. Sounds like op didn’t think it hard enough about what it takes to raise a well behaved/trained dog♥ 0source record 4503
I think you misread my point! Having owned dogs myself, I completely agree with you that training and prep are everything. I was just pointing out that OP jumped into it without realizing the massive effort required, which is why they ended up overwhelmed.♥ 1source record 4504
Asides the shitting, this is literally just you not training your dog.♥ 1source record 4505
Train the dog and calm down♥ -5source record 4509
\#1: Training is everything. I’ve got four right now that come when called, know about 30 tricks apiece, literally get in line to eat, and all stop dead in their tracks when told to. \#2: Pick up the turds as soon as they go. You won’t have any issues of worrying where to step. Can’t do anything about diarrhea besides get them on a better diet. \#3: A lot of dogs are definitely like toddlers who try to put everything in their mouths. I have one who is basically was just like yours and tried to eat everything. I curbed it entirely by walking with her everywhere outside and stopping her when she tried to eat stuff. Doesn’t do it anymore. \#4: Having a pet is a massive commitment. You’re basically adopting a family member. If you don’t want to devote the time to having one, don’t get one. \#5: Dogs need stimulation just like people. If you aren’t spending at least an hour a day playing with them / walks, you probably shouldn’t have one.♥ 1source record 4515
You can train a dog how to behave. If you don't they will develop their own habits.♥ 1source record 4542
I hear you. But most of your complaints are training issues. My shelter up doesn’t poop everywhere or mow people down. He does require walks and love. He enjoys sitting near me but not with me, like a cat. Dog personalities are a range.♥ 1source record 4546
So you got a dog, didn't train it, don't feed it properly, don't clean up after it, and are complaining it isn't working out... I don't think the dog is the issue. I think the owner sucks.♥ 1source record 4549
also the rest of your post is just not liking the dog being dog. our dog also loves to join whenever she can when we’re playing and she’s just included and it’s fun. literally the best memories. she eats a lot of weird things too so we just think beforehand, like with a toddler. but I’m pretty sure who does the thinking about your kids in your marriage… yeah just don’t get another dog.♥ 1source record 4573
So...owning a dog doesn't suck. Owning a neglected, UNTRAINED dog sucks.♥ 1source record 4575
Yes it does suck sometimes, but they are just like children, need good nutrition, exercise and mental stimulation. Basically you gotta empty their tank every day and they will behave well (mostly). Your dog can't always figure out what you want on a whim, you have to actively train them to do what you want when you want it. And the training really sucks sometimes. As a dog owner IMO the positives way outweigh the negatives, but that's just me, we don't have to agree.♥ 1source record 4596
There's neglect and there's not knowing how to raise a dog properly. Sounds like it's more of the latter for you. First problem is it's actually more difficult to have 1 dog than 2. Just like having 1 child is harder than 2. Outside of it being more expensive, they help occupy each others time and help exhaust each other mentally which is 90% of where behavior issues happen. The poop thing wouldn't be an issue if you picked up the poop when the dog poops each time instead of just letting poop pile up out of laziness. You don't poop in your toilet and not flush for a week do you? Everything else you described is literally because you have a pack animal and only one of them, so you and your family are her pack and she needs to interact. My suggestion at a minimum, get her puzzles. A good session with a puzzle is about equivalent to a walk mentally, not physically. If she has a ton of energy and you can't walk her enough. Get her a treadmill. Or you know, get her another dog even though it sounds counter intuitive. Behavior is only bad behavior if you're lazy and not willing to put in the work, just like with children♥ 1source record 4608
An untrained dog does suck. So few people understand that the minute you take home the dog (or puppy) you must begin training. I am not talking the crazy training where he becomes a tactical dog but the dog understanding his role. Proper trainjng uocronr will keep the dog from resource guarding (usually), begging excessively for food, barking at the door/strangers, etc. the potty training and the obedience begins on day 1. Look up videos online or youtube. Dogs are pack animals and you are now his pack. If there is not a leader he will assume he is and that is a nightmare. And a dog is never too old to be trained, but consistency is king.♥ 1source record 4691
Train your dog properly and it won’t go after anything you drop. Also train it to immediately drop whatever is in its mouth when you give a command. Its good you won’t get another dog, you sound irresponsible as an owner.♥ 1source record 4703
Train your dog you idiot and all of that behaviour can be trained out, and pick up it's shit, don't just leave it in your garden.♥ 1source record 4739
It sounds like you just don't know how to communicate with your dog. Crate train them and then tell them to go to their bed if you don't want to play with them and your kid at the same time. If you don't want to play with your dog at all then that is a serious lapse of thinking on your part to get a dog you don't want to play with. If they are eating things they shouldn't then catch them long before they find anything. They sniff around looking for food. Tell them to stop and go lay down. Basically, learn how to pick up poop (it takes 5-15 seconds even if they like to poop in a trail!) and give simple commands. But you probably should not own another dog if you cannot learn how to train these simple behavioral changes.♥ 1source record 4779
This sounds more like a lack of training and issues with the diet. Ive had a few dogs in the past and while the beginning does feel like taking care of a suicidal drunk, once you train them and learn their habits it gets much easier. Take your time to teach them when to go to the restroom by reinforcing good behavior. Take them on regular walks and when do poop during the walks give them a treat or pet/scratch them. Definitely teach them about boundaries and when its ok to play and not. Ive seen too many owners always baby all their dogs actions which makes them believe everything they do is OK. Our dogs would never jump on people after we trained them. They knew when it was OK to play and have fun and when its not. Not saying they were always perfect but its all about reinforcing the behaviors you want. Also, look at the breed. Not every dog will be the same, for example, a buddy of mine has a husky/malamute mix. He/his family run with that dog like 5 or 6 miles or hours of playtime. If he doesn't then the he becomes a nightmare at home. If you want a calm dog that occasionally enjoys playtime there are smaller breeds that might be more up your alley♥ 1source record 4793
I swear to god most people do not even consider training their dogs. It is fucking insane. I have 20 years of dog experience never once did they poop in the yard♥ 1source record 4844
These issues feel solvable, it just seems like you don’t want to work on solving them. While I agree with owning dogs is a huge undertaking that people tend to underestimate, I don’t think it fucking sucks. I have a rescue that has a bunch of issues: VERY leash reactive, chronic GI issues, TPLO surgery, incredibly lazy but needs serious weight management due to her size and food motivation. I would still never trade her for anything in the world and would love to own another. She is so sweet and polite. She doesn’t go for food she’s not allowed to even though food is her world. To treat her GI issues, she’s on steroids, which skyrocketed her appetite, yet she still maintains her politeness around food to the ability that she can. My point being they try to be sweet with the proper discipline and boundaries. Dogs are wonderful and only people who understand that should own one♥ 1source record 4858
Yeah it sucks but it sucks cause you are a good owner who cares. Well, some dogs are just crackheads with 4 legs and fur. The best you can do there is REAL training. People think taking their dogs to two sessions at petco will magically solve all their dog’s problems. Nah, it takes time, A LOT of time and attention.♥ 1source record 4882
I'm always pro listening: You don't have to know everything about an animal but you do need to listen and observe to see what you can do better you know....They can't speak English so you need to try to speak a language you both understand. Accidents happen but you can learn from them. My brother just screams at tthe dog.♥ 1source record 4925
Cones down to training them 🩷♥ 1source record 4933
I wish all it took was a week long petco class to have a decent toddler. It's really not hard. Walk the puppy 30 mins after it eats or drinks - MAX. Basic obedience 10 mins a day.♥ 1source record 5070
Y’all need to get better breeds of dogs and learn how to train them. It is absolutely nothing even close to parenthood.♥ 0source record 5073
Untrained dogs are exhausting. Been reading this thread and there are way too many people making it sound like being needy and destructive is acceptable behavior for a dog.♥ 10source record 5187
yeah I have dogs and I trained them to use the pee pads (on command) + walking them outside so to me that's a great combo. they are clingy but I can just ignore(?) them lol I don't need to feed them attention all the time but I also feel loved when they are clingy. I give them bath once a week so they don't stink since I hate dogs with greasy hair. I mean I chose this life and I'm happy with it. I can understand people who didnt choose to take care of a dog but life get in the way like OP situation. albeit some people here sound like they are not mentally equipped to own a dog. I would never say I feel relieved when my dogs died. edit: I crate-trained my dogs when they were little puppies so the clinginess is bearable. that took 3 months. terrible times when they were pups but worth it♥ 10source record 5192
I've had dogs for 10 years now. The only time either of my dogs pissed or shit indoors was when I was potty training the puppy, or the one time my old man dog (who at the time was very young) got into something that upset his stomach, which was our fault for leaving it within grabbing reach. Well-trained dogs don't eliminate in the house.♥ 1source record 5194
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. I currently have two rescue dogs and over the years. I fostered over a dozen at different points. Usually patience and good training can obviate those potty-issues. They reinforced the dog’s instinct that they shouldn’t sully their “dens.” Of course, puppies can’t hold their bladder is long, and adult/senior dogs could have contributing medical issues that make it so they can’t make it outside in time. In brief, one of my dogs absolutely hates the rain with the passion of 1000 suns. I just began rewarding her every time she goes out in the rain, now she doesn’t mind it as much. No accidents to report, except for one when she was a four month old puppy.♥ 3source record 5195
I'm being downvoted by bad or lazy dog owners. I suspect either they leave the dogs alone for 10+ hours at a time or simply ignore the dogs cues to take them outside. Do I get frustrated when I'm in the middle of something and my dog is whining at the door? Yes. Do I let him out anyway? Also yes. My 4 year old dog we got as a puppy, and he was the absolute worst potty training experience of my life. He was easily a year and a half before we finally got him to stop having accidents, because he refused to pee on walks for some reason, and is a highly play-driven dog so all day long he would signal to go out back but because he wanted to play, not because he had to pee. It took a TON of dedication to get him to understand how to pee on walks and how to signal to us that he wanted to go out to use the bathroom vs con us into playtime, but since he figured out the rules, he's had 0 accidents. There's lots of reasons that dogs are a ton of work. But once they've been potty trained, having them go in the house is definitely not one of them.♥ 2source record 5196
I've also had my dog for 10 years, and the only accidents she's ever had indoors have been due to illness and honestly they were still all somewhat our fault... and it's happened twice. She used to have a submissive peeing issue but we managed it and it hasn't been a problem for like 7 years. When it was a problem, after the first six months, it was extremely rare. Well-trained dogs aren't just going to the bathroom wherever.♥ 2source record 5198
I mean...the 3 dogs I've had have never pissed or shit indoors outside of potty training, even if it's raining or snowing or doing anything outside they're not happy with. Maybe if I left them alone for an extended period of time, but once a dog is potty trained the vast majority of them will not eliminate in their home.♥ 1source record 5199
Sounds like you dont know how to adequately train your dog, youre letting it train you♥ 4source record 5222
Part of this can be improved if you act differently A lot of these behaviors would annoy the shit out of me too and if your dog is too clingy, you need to find an activity that exhausts her, and just get thru it and she will be fine. Like annoying clingyness can be practically solved, just depends on how mental the dog is hah. And not that it's a bad thing that needs to be solved, just like you can do what they want and THEN make a clean break to get back to work and they will start to get it♥ 1source record 5242
Training a dog how to settle and to not eat random stuff off the ground are among the first few things that will be taught in almost every beginners puppy class.♥ 1source record 5252
You can absolutely teach a dog not to hunt after animals. Also, snails are hardly "moving prey".♥ 1source record 5254
You literally explained all the reasons you hate them but if you put in minimum effort none of those things are issues♥ 1source record 5274
So a lot of this is true, but a lot of it is also simply "you need to train your dog" They are smooth brained animals intentionally made to be that way through domestication. Their survival instincts are mostly gone, but they still have the tools they just don't use them. They're super strong, they have serious teeth, heads harder than granite(idk how but it's true), and no idea how to survive anymore. That's why they attach to and love their owners so damn much, because we keep them alive and safe, and they can't really do it themselves anymore Now, all that being said, all these animals want is to make you happy and to get food. If you show them that doing a certain thing makes you happy and they get some treats, they will begin connecting the dots and thinking "when I sit/stay/lay down/fetch/return when called I get treats and pets" and that becomes their trained behavior Yeah dogs love playing it's hard to get them to not want to join in, but houses have rooms and doors, you can use them Also clean up the dog shit before your yard becomes a landmine, it's only ever a landmine when there's days or weeks of shit laying around and that's disgusting. SOCIALIZE YOUR DOG. THE MORE THEY ARE AROUND OTHER DOGS THE MORE THEY KNOW THE RIGHT WAY TO BE A DOG LIKE BEING STATIONARY WHEN TAKING A SHIT, LIFTING THEIR LEG TO PEE, etc. This post is basically "I didn't realize this was so much work, and I'm also just not doing any of the work and complaining about it instead"♥ 1source record 5312
A lot of your complaints sound like ignorance on your end. They’re hard as they’re a living thing u need to take care of, but u should probably consult with a trainer, behaviourist and vet for behavioural issues and diet. A lot of ppl get dogs, but can’t afford to own one and so they neglect professional help.♥ -1source record 5345
All behaviors of a textbook untrained dog. No offense.♥ -2source record 5356
Wrong owner, wrong breed and no patience. Not the dogs fault. And I have a a husky and German Shepherd and they are easy because I'm not a shit owner or however you want to call it.♥ 1source record 5360
Questo non è un problema del cane, ma è un problema del padrone per me quasi sempre perché i cani se si prendono vanno addomesticati addestrati e non esiste che mi riempie il prato non esiste che fa tutte quelle cose. Io devo lasciare mangiare dove mi pare, ma non lo deve toccare, almeno per me è questo prendere un cane, non pensare che sia una cosa♥ 0source record 5376
This is not a dog problem. It's a management and training problem.♥ -4source record 5396
All of these are self made problems. Feed the dog a steady diet, pick up the droppings instead of leaving it all sitting around for a week, train them to not eat anything they see, take them for walks to wear them out. It is the same things you do with kids. Feed them a healthy diet, potty train them, teach them what they need to know and how to act, and bring them somewhere to play like the park. Bad parents have the same complaints when they neglect their kids. Kids still needing diapers in kindergarten. Kids getting obese young and eating stuff off the ground. Kids being annoyingly hyper at home and breaking stuff. All of these problems with kids and pets exist because they were neglected at a young age, and now the neglecting are complaining the neglected are annoying.♥ -1source record 5401
Bro what😭 dogs literally can’t sweat lmao. Also most dogs don’t drool and if they are trained to go outside which is very easy to do they don’t pee in house. I’ve had 3 dogs and the only one too pee in the house was a small one after she turned like 16 and had dementia lol.♥ 1source record 5415

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The whole household has to agree, or none of it sticks10 index entriesThe narrow version of the training argument, aimed at houses with more than one adult in them.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: The whole household has to agree, or none of it sticks

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The whole household has to agree, or none of it sticks

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Situation: Training a dog in a house where the other adults are undoing it

Why readers chose it: 10 records making a narrower and more testable version of the training argument: that consistency across every adult in the house is what decides whether any of it holds, and that one person feeding scraps or letting the dog out unwatched undoes the rest. Several address the original poster's household directly and suggest the ten-year-old be handed the toilet schedule and the clean-up. It is the smallest card in the corpus, and it maps almost exactly onto one of the largest — the one where the dog belongs to somebody else in the same house.

What readers reported: It's not only his dog. Unless the other two co-operate, he can train the dog every single day for years and nothing will set in because they don't follow suit.

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AND make her clean up if there are accidents. That’ll get her into the habit of taking the dog out real quick

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Well siblings, in laws, aunts, uncles and cousins are sometimes just different. I can't decide if they get a dog or not or if they listen to me, but I still have their dogs sometimes especially if you are a caregiver. Dont know why thats so difficult to understand.

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This sounds like bad training though. All of these examples can be solved with consistent training (meaning that EVERYONE in the household must follow the rules). Usually dogs don't poop or pee in what they consider their "den" and that extends to the garden as well. So you can train the dog not to poop across the yard at all, or build a sandbox and teach her to poop there and only there. (You can tell when a dog is about to poop: I recommend keeping the dog on the leash even inside the house, so you can immediately take her outside or in the sandbox). She is clingy because her behavior was reinforced. Ignore her and take control of when and how much attention she receives. Whenever she asks for cuddles, either ignore her completely (no touching, no looking at her and not even scolding), or tell her to go to her bed or kennel and pet her there only. This will also teach her that her bed/kennel is the most awesome space in the house and it can become a calming space in case of storms or instances where she can be frightened. And lastly, you should teach her to wear a basket muzzle so she won't eat random stuff, teach her "leave it" command (you can watch YouTube videos about it). Eating random objects can be a soothing and rewarding activity, that's why she should wear a muzzle so she doesn't keep rewarding herself. All in all, dogs are like kids: you either love having them or not. Unfortunately mine was attacked by unleashed dogs and traumatized by kids who threw firecrackers at him, and I had to work hard to get him where he is now. And I would do it all again, because I loved every step of being a "dog parent".

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Maybe try parenting your daughter? Set times that she needs to take puppy out to potty. She's 10 and needs guidance. Help her build responsibility.

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A lot of your problems with owning a dog comes down to training your dog. As a dog owner of multiple breeds from growing up and as an adult now, training your dog and yourself is a lot of work and I don’t blame you for making that statement. Definitely everyone in the household needs to learn to pick up the dog shit everytime and not allow it to get to the point where there’s just shit everywhere. Keep working at training your dog to have boundaries and train them to understand what no means. I’m sure you already have your hands full with life but if you can incorporate some training with your dog it will be worth it in the long run!

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“Hey, don’t feed the dog table food. It causes them to have upset stomach.” If you can’t agree on that as a family, then you’re dysfunctional and shouldn’t have pets or kids lmao

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It's not only his dog. Unless the other two co-operate, he can train the dog every single day for years and nothing will set in because they don't follow suit.♥ 4source record 96
Maybe try parenting your daughter? Set times that she needs to take puppy out to potty. She's 10 and needs guidance. Help her build responsibility.♥ 28source record 455
AND make her clean up if there are accidents. That’ll get her into the habit of taking the dog out real quick♥ 16source record 456
More like, wife and grandma need to pick up the slack and train and learn about feeding and cleaning up shit and whatnot.♥ 2source record 958
Sounds like the time youre putting towards the dog isnt the issue. If your daughter is 10 and cant take care of basic responsibilities without being distracted by a phone addiction, then that definitley is making things worse. Its straight up sad. Seems a bit unfair to be resentful when youre the one who raises her.♥ 4source record 1874
This sounds like bad training though. All of these examples can be solved with consistent training (meaning that EVERYONE in the household must follow the rules). Usually dogs don't poop or pee in what they consider their "den" and that extends to the garden as well. So you can train the dog not to poop across the yard at all, or build a sandbox and teach her to poop there and only there. (You can tell when a dog is about to poop: I recommend keeping the dog on the leash even inside the house, so you can immediately take her outside or in the sandbox). She is clingy because her behavior was reinforced. Ignore her and take control of when and how much attention she receives. Whenever she asks for cuddles, either ignore her completely (no touching, no looking at her and not even scolding), or tell her to go to her bed or kennel and pet her there only. This will also teach her that her bed/kennel is the most awesome space in the house and it can become a calming space in case of storms or instances where she can be frightened. And lastly, you should teach her to wear a basket muzzle so she won't eat random stuff, teach her "leave it" command (you can watch YouTube videos about it). Eating random objects can be a soothing and rewarding activity, that's why she should wear a muzzle so she doesn't keep rewarding herself. All in all, dogs are like kids: you either love having them or not. Unfortunately mine was attacked by unleashed dogs and traumatized by kids who threw firecrackers at him, and I had to work hard to get him where he is now. And I would do it all again, because I loved every step of being a "dog parent".♥ 2source record 2300
Agreed plus OP can still help with trying to get his MIL and wife to change the dogs diet and help them out by picking up dog shit.♥ 4source record 2374
A lot of your problems with owning a dog comes down to training your dog. As a dog owner of multiple breeds from growing up and as an adult now, training your dog and yourself is a lot of work and I don’t blame you for making that statement. Definitely everyone in the household needs to learn to pick up the dog shit everytime and not allow it to get to the point where there’s just shit everywhere. Keep working at training your dog to have boundaries and train them to understand what no means. I’m sure you already have your hands full with life but if you can incorporate some training with your dog it will be worth it in the long run!♥ 1source record 4834
Idk what you’re yapping on about but its not difficult to communicate with your family or other people responsible for the dog and laying down some ground rules. Literally the most basic thing to owning a living creature ever.♥ 1source record 5426
“Hey, don’t feed the dog table food. It causes them to have upset stomach.” If you can’t agree on that as a family, then you’re dysfunctional and shouldn’t have pets or kids lmao♥ 0source record 5428

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Most people should not have a dog112 index entriesThe counter-argument that ends up on the same side as the complaint it set out to answer.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Most people should not have a dog

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Most people should not have a dog

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Why readers chose it: 112 records arguing that the modal dog owner is bad at it: dogs crated for twelve to sixteen hours, never walked, never groomed, bought as an accessory or during the pandemic and given up afterwards. Vets, groomers, shelter volunteers, a professional pet-sitter and several trainers make the case, and several of them supply first-hand examples from inside other people's houses. The overlap a few commenters notice out loud is the uncomfortable part: that 'most people should not have a dog' and 'owning a dog is more than most people can carry' are the same observation with the blame moved.

What readers reported: That’s the secret that nobody wants to say out loud. Most people are not good dog owners. Most are okay to bad dog owners.

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Please don't encourage her to get ANY animal. Full stop.

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Definitely not coming at you personally OP, but I don’t really understand people that get animals and then complain about it being hard work. You’re bringing something into your household and life that will be completely dependent on you for care and your responsibility to train. Same goes for the people that get pets, rehome them because it’s hard work, and then get more. When you adopt a dog (or any animal) you don’t just sign up for the cute puppy stage, you sign up for the senior years when the dog has accidents in the house, barks more because they’re starting to get old and confused, expensive medical bills, having to help them get around more. It’s like having a kid, you won’t get the cute baby stage forever (which obviously is also extremely hard work). You sign up for at the very least 18 years, sometimes longer or especially if you have a child with some sort of disability. It also kind of breaks my heart when I see people complaining about how hard it is to take care of senior dogs 🥺 while I understand entirely and it’s not false that it’s hard work (I have a 17 year old dog), they just deserve so much more. I may be biased because I lost my senior boy a few months ago and my heart has been broken ever since. I’d do anything to go back to the days where I was covered in his fur, smelling like a wet dog, and cleaning up his poop lol

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Yeah not really shade to the op and more frustration about repeatedly seeing people get dogs without realizing that they arent just born knowing how to behave. Dogs are a lot of work and unfortunately there are a lot if people out there who just dont wanna put in the work.

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My corgi is awesome. Unfortunately people who get dogs because of cuteness or because their favorite influencer has one also generally are people not equipped with the knowledge to train their dogs appropriately l.

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Everything mentioned is caused by human error. Who expects to "play chance with a toddler" and get mad because the poor dog won't "chill the fuck out" because it "doesn't involve her" holy shit some humans man i swear. I have heard more intelligent things having a conversation with a box of rocks. Thank goodness you dont have that dog by yourself op

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Not the dogs fault

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That’s the secret that nobody wants to say out loud. Most people are not good dog owners. Most are okay to bad dog owners.♥ 71source record 286
No kidding. People are awful dog owners in general♥ 19source record 287
Shitty owners that try to treat them like cats and don't train them for fuck all either. There was an incident severe enough I heard about up the road I think the dog even had to be put down by the county. Ive been attacked once myself by this shitheel dog that ran straight out of this unfenced property right into our shit. First thing I started doing with our newest a year ago is breaking bad habits and training so she is generally polite and compliant.♥ 11source record 288
People don't like to admit they're selfish so they get a dog and then they mistreat it. Not through abuse, just through neglect. People think cats are easier, but they're just doing the same with a different animal and creating excuses. EVERY PET REQUIRES ATTENTION.♥ 7source record 291
Some people aren't meant to be pet owners.♥ 154source record 386
Hounds are hard. Dogs are not for everyone. You have to have your shit together. Too many dogs are abused because people are useless.♥ 10source record 403
I was ready to agree. My rescue pup is a beautiful hurricane….and then I read the post…Sounds like the dog has a bad owner♥ 143source record 448
Yeah, my friend is someone of a Corgi herself. So she's definitely not doing what good dog owners do.♥ 1source record 748
Oh that's easy. Just train your dog to use pee pads so you don't have to come home, then insist on dragging the $&[account] mutt everywhere anyway, whether it's into a pet free Lowes or to your daughter's house so you can tell her "make sure your cats don't scratch my poor little dog." It came out more like "hey guys, aim for his eyes and he'll leave you alone." At around 4 years, she finally realized her neurotic dog doesn't bark at all when he's home alone. At 5 years, she finally started letting him out instead of using pee pads. I'm still waiting for the call that he ran off because she's too lazy to leash him just to pee. I told her to get a cat. Apparently cats don't make you feel needed enough.♥ 6source record 778
I told her to get a cat before she got the dog, because the only thing she has been consistent about was changing pee pads daily (and because when I said it, I could've taken on a cat if something went wrong. Thankfully she has 2 people lined up for her dog). But agreed.♥ 3source record 779
My corgi is awesome. Unfortunately people who get dogs because of cuteness or because their favorite influencer has one also generally are people not equipped with the knowledge to train their dogs appropriately l.♥ 1source record 801
Nobody "forgot to tell" the "normal" person - the "normal" person made the decision to not use the device in their pocket that has basically the entirety of human knowledge on it to find out what owning a dog involves.♥ 1source record 875
Same with my parents! I always said that their special talent was taking a perfectly fine dog and “stupiding it up.”♥ 2source record 914
That's the problem, no one is proactive♥ 2source record 957
Our rescue was kept in a too-small of a cage for long periods of time (purebred rez dog). She didn't stop sitting that way for at least a month. I dont think people understand that when you get a dog, you are getting a *companion* that needs you to be around. If you can't be around: get a cat, or accept maybe you can't take care of an animal right now. Youll be happy to know we don't own any cages at all, and she has a nice big property to sniff about now.♥ 2source record 1487
It cost nothing to learn how to groom your own dog..... lmao you are literally stressing over a problem that incompetence has created. Look up how to groom x dog, watch videos, buy the gear, groom once a week for an hour or so, and you're good to go. If money is such an issue, you could even monetize this by starting a side hustle and grooming other incompetent owners dogs.♥ 3source record 1498
DING DING DING OP would rather blame a dog for the consequences of the actions (or lack thereof) of the adults in the household♥ 12source record 1577
Getting a dog when you do 12 hour shifts is just a poor decision on your part though. Shouldn't of got a dog if it doesn't fit your lifestyle.♥ 2source record 1583
Shit dogs are pretty much exclusively the product of shit owners or the selection of a poor match of breed to lifestyle. I.e. overweight city goer getting a sheep dog or something♥ 4source record 1585
The fact that he says “my wife and her grandmother got a hound mix together” would lead me to believe he never wanted a dog and that he doesn’t even consider it his pet, let alone a loved member of the family. Of course dogs are a pain in the ass if you don’t really like them.♥ 2source record 1586
Yeah. This whole thread is sort of just variations on “I’m a bad pet owner”. It’s odd.♥ 7source record 1604
It's crazy how every single "problem" the op mentioned is fixable by actually taking care and paying attention to the responsibility they chose to have♥ 7source record 1617
I get that it was OP's wife and her mother's decision to get the dog. But it's pretty annoying to hear him and others here talk about their dog as if it's a burden. A pet is a living creature, not some accessory, that can have behavioural and health problems. It's a similar deal to having children.♥ 2source record 1775
I had to scroll wayyyy too far here to find a reasonable response. Also major red flag that OP keeps referring to it as his wife and her grandma’s dog, and even that the wife and grandma had to spend a lot at the vet. Makes it sound like OP is doing a lot of complaining and not helping out (financially or otherwise) with the dog in their household.♥ 2source record 1802
Right you "housesat" which is stepping in for a brief moment and playing owner. If a parent abused, mistreated, or neglected their child and it had severe behavioral problems, "babysitting" would be a nightmare. It would be foolish to think that this is what the experience of having your own child would be like. If you have no hand in training it why would you expect it to behave in a way that works well with you?♥ 2source record 1806
Seriously. It's like people in this thread are discovering... responsibility? Like complaining that you have to maintain your car, but leaving out the part where it is one of the best travel tools at your disposal. Dogs have been the best companions for thousands of years. I feel like picking up some poop and going on walks is such a small price to pay for that kind of friendship.♥ 1source record 1832
Ok but a lot of the time it is♥ 6source record 1852
I agree, that seems to be the most reasonable outcome here. I would highly suspect there's a mass of people who don't really care what they buy because they view dogs as property.♥ 2source record 1866
then the title should be "OWNING a dog as a negligent owner fucking sucks"♥ 8source record 1886
TLDR: person discovers responsibility♥ 11source record 1914
Neither of you took proper care of your aging dogs then. They should not be greasy and you can absolutely fix this. It smells because it's a lot of yeast and other bacteria growing on their skin that nobody was fixing. If they were perpetually greasy and smelly you were neglecting them.♥ 2source record 1931
America is suffering from a dog addiction. People who grew up with dogs are largely incapable of living without one, judging from their behavior. I say that because they will own one even if they work 10 hours a day and live in a tiny apartment. No consideration for the dog's QOL, just their own need for comfort.♥ 3source record 1974
I think you might be bad at owning dogs♥ 15source record 1976
Yeah the dog is being neglected. That type of dog needs a lot of stimuli, long walks with training and treats. It shouldn’t just be shitting all over the yard with dhiarrea like forreal what the fuck is wrong with with people♥ 9source record 2031
I think there are many common misconceptions to ownership of all sorts of things in this world, I personally think its super gross people have their dogs and cats in their bed for instance, but my pet peeves aside. Most of these are self inflicted issues caused by the romanticism of pet ownership and the lack of proper training. The dog poop, you can train them to go in certain areas and not being able to go in the same spot is a sign of your not feeding them the correct food for them, so maybe its good quality, but avocados and myself aren't a great mix for instance. Standing in poop often just means no one is paying attention to what your dog is actually doing and you make it sound like the other 2 in the equation don't pull their weight, especially since they wanted it in the first place. The other stuff like eating anything, barging around and what you classify as clinginess are all super common traits of any dog but are also a matter of training, you either do it or you don't.♥ 2source record 2044
I forgot to close, the main issue is that people misunderstand the time commitments and the need to train dogs properly and then think it sucks and that these issues are just what the issues of dog ownership are, they aren't. Modern life for a lot of people is too busy to then commit to hours of training animals, which is unfortunately why so many end up neglected, abused or rehomed, because people don't think, they romanticise♥ 1source record 2045
You clearly don't love your dog. Why did you even agree to get one? Why don't people research and be honest with themselves when making major decisions like this? Dogs need love, compassion, patience, training and consistent reinforcement. You are the problem, not the dog.♥ 2source record 2067
It is amazing to me how many people get a dog because it sounds like a fun thing to do without putting even a small amount of thought into "Hey, this is a sentient being with a lot of needs and emotions that is entirely dependent on my care and love." Of course they are a lot of work. Of course they need a lot of love. They are emotional beings. Its shocking to see so many people in this thread who signed up for that act like they are bamboozled by the work it takes to properly care for a creature that was bred to be dependent on humans and has basic needs that you are signing up to take care of, physically, mentally, and emotionally.♥ 1source record 2104
Ignoring the flags that you're just a terrible pet owner, it never ceases to amaze me that people can be aware of what dogs are, and not realise getting one is having a practice child. They're not lizards or fish they're highly complex social mammals that need constant attention. How is this a shock ?!♥ 9source record 2111
Dogs are fantastic. Dog owners….meh. It’s 50/50.♥ 2source record 2126
If owning a dog sucks, you may currently be more reactive, not prosctive. If you plan to have children one day, this is the lesson that dog can teach you.♥ 2source record 2248
Simple, don’t own a dog if you’re not able to handle it. It’s a you and not a dog problem♥ 13source record 2257
The problem is not the dog...♥ 9source record 2260
Hey...not all people are good people. At least now you know... and uh...i think it goes without saying...never have kids. If you can't handle an animal that's trainable at 16 weeks (the earliest you should be getting a puppy)...you'll never stand a chance with something that needs total support for years. and uh...not to play psychologist but "my wife and her grandma got a dog"...no ecumenial "we" in a marriage? the issue is obviously they got the dog either against your wishes or without your knowledge and rather than direct your displeasure to them you're here...angry at a small animal you have complete sovereign over...proving my first point. Cheers!♥ 2source record 2276
So it’s not even your dog? You’re just listing all the problems you see with no pride or love for the dog itself. You could create nearly the exact same list about children. When it’s somebody else’s kid, the list makes sense. When it’s your kid, the list doesn’t matter.♥ 2source record 2307
A few words when it comes to some dog owners. I've been inside more people's homes then i can count. Poor people who own pets are the worst. Your house is falling apart you can't afford maintenance in your home and you have a dog or cat but mostly dogs shit everywhere in the yard and basement plus your house smells like dog or cat ammonia. Fucking irresponsible people owning pets. I too suffer from an old dog at home who shits and steps in it and my lazy grown stepdaughter cant even wipe her own ass leaves the dog alone for hours before half ass cleaning after him. Im just waiting for the dog to die so i can clean and disinfect his sleeping area and get his smell out of my house. I'm speaking my truth.♥ 2source record 2318
And people buy puppies as a prop and then realize taking care of another life requires effort♥ 1source record 2355
Not the dogs fault♥ -5source record 2372
not op's fault either♥ 12source record 2373
Yeah exactly, titles should be “Owning a dog sucks when you neglect them in your back yard all day”♥ 3source record 2396
The hardest part of dog ownership is being a shit owner.♥ 6source record 2475
Lol DID YOU THINK THAT THEY USE TOILETS What the fuck dude, spend 5 minutes doing research next time♥ 6source record 2480
You being an irresponsible dog handler is not the fault of the dog btw!♥ 2source record 2481
Speak truth OP, 90% of dog owners don't know how to or want to care for dogs properly. Due to the centuries of inbreeding most dog breeds require 24 hour care and people aren't aware of that fact.♥ 1source record 2498
Pretty popular take among lazy and undisciplined people actually. Not to say there aren't a lot of dog owners with shitty dogs because those owners don't have enough of a sense of discipline to train their pet.♥ 2source record 2561
I like this opinion and I agree with it. A lot of people get puppies just thinking about the cuteness and then they get lazy/neglectful when it comes to all the work it takes to raise a good dog. They are part of the problem, not you.♥ 2source record 2564
I firmly believe dogs are a reflection of their owners.♥ 1source record 2578
Amen. I'm right with you there. Dog owners are also 60% of the time dogsgit too. Half of NYC wants a dog but doesn't want to care for it♥ 1source record 2586
Dogs aren't your thing and that's just fine. But my suggestion is stop getting dogs after this one. Raising a dog in a situation where one person really doesn't like them really compounds any problems a dog might have.♥ 5source record 2636
I'm convinced most "dog people" don't like having dogs as much as they like saying they have dogs. Known too many who are happy just leaving them in kennels all day until it's time to parade them to friends and family.♥ 1source record 2682
The worst part is watching people clearly neglect and abuse their dogs because they just wanted something to post on social media. I’d wager most People suck at pet ownership. Very few actually handle them well♥ 1source record 2744
Far too many people get a dog without realizing how much responsibility it is. I used to really love dogs, but during the pandemic EVERYONE got a dog but did not do any training. So now most dogs are barky reactive assholes and their owners take any complaints as a personal attack.♥ 1source record 2762
I feel this, and will go one step further. Most dog owners are not actually good dog owners. The number of people I know who have dogs and do not bathe or have them groomed even semi-regularly is absurd. Similarly, if someone is considering a dog, make sure you are comfortable cleaning up poop, and even the occasional puke or pee. The amount of random dog shit I find when walking about public, communal areas in a smaller city is also insane♥ 1source record 2856
You let two people make a clearly non researched / uniformed choice when picking the breed and now you think it's the dogs fault for it's stupidity and health issues? Humans did that to dogs.♥ 1source record 2902
Dog owners like you suck. You don't train your dog, don't crate train, don't clean up after it, and don't play with a high energy working breed dog to the point she's becoming disruptive. Every dog problem always comes back to owners who don't want to take the time to actually care for the dog properly.♥ 1source record 2946
I know so many dog owners that should not be. Many people are neglectful to their animals and leave them in cages, never groom or walk them, its terrible. The shitting, ya it sucks for the rest of us too. People let their dogs shit on the fucking sidewalk and leave it there. And there will be a poop bag and trash can 5 feet away.... Do not even mention the shedding. Animals make your home dirty as fuck. I will never own or agree to own an animal, other than a fish.♥ 1source record 3094
All I'm hearing is that you're 1) a bad owner 2) not cut out for responsibility Yes dogs can be frustrating but they benefit from actually training them. And I have a golden retriever with a braincell she shares with a pigeon so I appreciate how dumb they can be.♥ 1source record 3163
Maybe do some research first. Owning a dog doesn’t suck, you’re just not a great owner.♥ 1source record 3211
NGL it kinda sounds like you didn't train the dog much at all, and you let it shit in your yard and don't clean up after it.. idk what you were expecting but pets are not dolls. At least you recognize you should never own another dog♥ 1source record 3333
Geez, if you don’t like dogs, don’t get one. Yes, they take work, patience, there’s hair, but if you don’t think the love you get back is worth it, why torture yourself! What a stupid post. “There’s shit everywhere.” Clean it up — daily if need be. Change the dogs diet if the pool is unruly. Cheap dog food is already shitty. You also have to pick the correct breed. We had a goldendoodle and hair wasn’t a problem. We’ve now got a hound - lots of problems but he’s a lovable guy. We had a lab and he was a super good dog, but he was big, hairy, and he pooped.have some common sense when choosing or not choosing to have a pet. I’m surprised when people post things like this.♥ 1source record 3347
Love most dogs but totally agree, and all the little things aside: I can't stand overly coddling dog owners, (like when it's bad enough to detriment the dog.) Little vent here: I have a good buddy that always gets unruly breeds and then babies the fuck out of them so they're the worst behaved animals ever. Like if they've done something wrong he'll be scolding them at the same time he's petting them and calling them cute, there's no way for the dog to ever get clear right and wrong signals from him. Can't even have him over without his dog, who needs constant supervision, pissing in the corner or vying for his attention constantly, often intentionally getting into trouble so he'll like cheerfully scold her. Only way he can get some control is with a shock collar, (almost never gets used) which we all disapprove of. And he's just forcefully oblivious to all of this, no matter how many times we try and nudge him towards *not* being a horrible owner via over-coddling. Dude's far from the worst dog owner but god damn being around him when he has a dog with him *is* the absolute worst.♥ 1source record 3518
I mean, it sounds like if you put a second of thought into it you would have been vastly more prepared..♥ 1source record 3584
Theres no bad dogs only bad owners♥ 1source record 3595
Too me it sounds like your wife and grandma had no idea what kind of dog they were getting and you all sound like a family that really shouldn’t own an animal.♥ 1source record 3692
I think a lot of people in reality rationalize neglecting their dogs♥ 1source record 3705
100%. I feel like I see unprepared dog owners all over these days. People with huge dogs in downtown condos, or high need dogs that need anxiety meds because they can't do what their genes require. Sad stuff.♥ 1source record 3771
I had some evil fucking roomates who had a failing relationship so they got a puppy even though they both worked full time. The entire day the would feed it melatonin treats and keep him in a kennel for 20 hours a day to shit and piss in the kennel. Genuinely some of the most evil shit I had seen. Sophie and Aaron if you read this you are awful.♥ 1source record 3779
It's you buddy..no doubt, you are this poor dog's problem. Expecting a dog to respond almost as a human isn't anymore sensible than the dog expecting you to act like a dog. the difference is though that you have more capacity to at least try and understand..it's hard to raise a dog, and much harder still as a young man to raise both a young child and a young dog simultaneously. At least you're coming onto Reddit and maybe looking for alternatives, help, or maybe it's simply others to agree with you? If you can, and I'm not joking here,,try to picture yourself as the pup, an animal with much less capacity to understand than a human, and an animal that has the overriding instincts as a pack animal. Either way, good luck, it IS a lot to handle but if you choose to opt for the discipline to handle these things in the best way you can I promise this will benefit you,the dog, your kids, and anyone that gets to know you over time..♥ 1source record 3798
ive had similar thoughts. ive seen so many dogs who spend their lives in a house or yard and only get out to poop or take a 5-10 min walk. i always wondered if the dog is even happy living like that. Dogs need purpose, they want to interact with their owners or other dogs. The modern life and work schedule make that almost impossible.♥ 1source record 3805
its not the dog’s fault that you did no research about what breed would suit your lifestyle and personality you sound like one of the idiots that get a husky because they look cool♥ 1source record 3868
Bad dogs have bad owners♥ 1source record 3872
Everything mentioned is caused by human error. Who expects to "play chance with a toddler" and get mad because the poor dog won't "chill the fuck out" because it "doesn't involve her" holy shit some humans man i swear. I have heard more intelligent things having a conversation with a box of rocks. Thank goodness you dont have that dog by yourself op♥ 1source record 4077
Sure did. None of this stuff is ground breaking or unexpected.♥ 2source record 4080
You can’t just like dogs, you should love dogs if you are considering getting one. Dogs are part of the family and deserve to be treated like it. Anything less is just neglect.♥ 1source record 4090
Definitely not coming at you personally OP, but I don’t really understand people that get animals and then complain about it being hard work. You’re bringing something into your household and life that will be completely dependent on you for care and your responsibility to train. Same goes for the people that get pets, rehome them because it’s hard work, and then get more. When you adopt a dog (or any animal) you don’t just sign up for the cute puppy stage, you sign up for the senior years when the dog has accidents in the house, barks more because they’re starting to get old and confused, expensive medical bills, having to help them get around more. It’s like having a kid, you won’t get the cute baby stage forever (which obviously is also extremely hard work). You sign up for at the very least 18 years, sometimes longer or especially if you have a child with some sort of disability. It also kind of breaks my heart when I see people complaining about how hard it is to take care of senior dogs 🥺 while I understand entirely and it’s not false that it’s hard work (I have a 17 year old dog), they just deserve so much more. I may be biased because I lost my senior boy a few months ago and my heart has been broken ever since. I’d do anything to go back to the days where I was covered in his fur, smelling like a wet dog, and cleaning up his poop lol♥ 1source record 4192
Honestly one of the worst parts is thinking about how there are people who have dogs/pets and ARENT willing to give the best care they can. It's so easy to neglect them bc of the amount of care they actually require♥ 1source record 4234
Nah, this is just the owner♥ 24source record 4346
After working with dogs for the last 15 years I can confidently say most dogs are fucking annoying and stupid and useless. I’m so burned out from dealing with them.♥ 1source record 4399
People get dogs and think their a simple possession no their work and not for selfish people with no time are patience get a fucking cat dude♥ 1source record 4533
I get that this post for sure fits this sub but there is something very odd about the correlation between redditors and posting threads/comments about hating dogs. There are far too many people who get dogs and should never own any animal in general for that matter. Dogs are amazing animals with the right amount of obedience training and love can be great family members who are loyal, but you absolutely have to put the effort in. If you half ass the obedience training (don't research how to do it right or work with a professional) and you don't love\care for the animal...what do you expect? Yes, if you don't bathe your dog it will smell (just like a person would), if you don't pick up the dog poop...yes you might step in it. A lot of the complaints in this thread are due to lack of common sense and pure laziness...don't get a dog if you can't put in the effort.♥ 1source record 4616
Merci pour ton honnêteté. En gros, si tu n’aime pas les chiens, ne pas prendre de chien. Pour toi autant que pour le chien. Ce sont des êtres sociaux et sensibles qui ressentent quand ils ne sont pas désirés et qui en souffrent.♥ 1source record 4653
The vast majority of people have absolutely no reason to own a dog, not to mention how completely irresponsible and shitty owners they are.♥ 1source record 4669
I agree and I've definitely felt this way a long time, especially as I got older and saw friends getting dogs they couldn't train or take care of properlly...like it is a 24/7 responsibility and I don't want that right now. My friend is constantly on the brink of survival but when she's stressed she just wants pets like a lot of dogs and cats so she'll get a dog or cat on Facebook marketplace then her like will go to shit and she'll have to give up the pet. I'm like girl, what part of you thinks adding more responsibility is a good idea? Then she'll just say, "well having a dog will make me happier, so I'll be more motivated to get up and do things." Girl, what ?♥ 1source record 4738
I feel the same. Iv seen few dogs that were actually super well behaved and actually a joy to be around all the time and those were always owners who really knew what they were doing with training and what not. One of my buddies dogs jumps all over everybody literally non stop, eats peoples shoes, is just pure chaos and usually just getting yelled at for its whole existence lol. My buddy with that dog seems perpetually exhausted by it.♥ 1source record 4746
Why take the dog to a vet for eating a slug? You're right though they are a huge chore. Don't stress to much about vet bills and all that. Yeah people should be able to pay for that stuff but the alternative is the dog goes to a shelter or is put down♥ 1source record 4805
Dogs are also very social creatures, like us. Imagine you live in a house with a cool roommates, no internet, no phone, can't leave the house, they decide when and where you shit, and they let you into the yard for an hour a day. That's literally prison. Now imagine they leave for nine hours and you are in solitary confinement for that whole time, five days a week. People find it very cute how excited their dogs are for them to get home, and assume their dog "chills" while they're gone, but all the dogs I've had clearly need young child amounts of enrichment, socialization, and activity. I can't imagine the torture it would be to have nothing to do and nobody to be around for most of my life.♥ 1source record 4860
Yeah, this is just flat out abuse. Jack's need a lot of exercise! Poor doggies.♥ 1source record 4930
I know someone who is a hoarder who keeps 4 rescue border collies in her disgusting house, only let's them outside in her small concrete backyard to shit, never picks it up and takes them for one walk around a dog park once a night but only if the weather isn't bad. 2 of them are never allowed off leash at the dog park because she says they are badly behaved. They go late at night because they can't be around other dogs. She does not worm or flea them because she thinks they don't need it because they aren't around other dogs. She never gives them baths. I tried talking to her but she just screamed at me 'don't tell me what to do'. I have nothing to do with her anymore as I can't bear to see the way she treats her animals. Im not a dog person mainly because of the work (am Siamese cat girl) but even i know border collies are working dogs and need a massive amount of exercise and stimulation to be healthy and happy♥ 1source record 4946
If you don't like dogs don't get one. If you do like dogs you don't need $200k/year to own one.♥ 1source record 5116
Yeah not really shade to the op and more frustration about repeatedly seeing people get dogs without realizing that they arent just born knowing how to behave. Dogs are a lot of work and unfortunately there are a lot if people out there who just dont wanna put in the work.♥ 1source record 5175
Far too many people treat dogs like accessories, that's why.♥ 8source record 5190
They are barely owners. They feed it and let it out back to shit. They don't exercise it (so it's hyperactive) and likely don't feed it the proper food (weird shits). If the OP and there family actually attempted at putting in the smallest amount of effort I might agree with you.♥ 1source record 5205
Thank you lol there's no reason to live in chaos and then blame the animal.♥ 1source record 5267
Than op shouldn’t have a dog, it’s a living being. You had no choice to be born, the dog had no choice to be born. Give it to someone who understands the needs and values it’s life and doesn’t treat it like an object♥ -2source record 5283
I have dogs my own and I’m convinced that you only should have one if you really understand that they are living beings, doesn’t matter if it was ops choice, the dog is still not handled properly and lives a cruel live. OP still contributes to the dogs misery and it would be your mothers roommates fault too if they don’t help you and just let it happen♥ 3source record 5286
How is the dog in misery? How is it living a cruel life? I see above that you say the OP doesn't walk the dog but the OP never said the dog doesn't get walked so that's just something that you made up♥ 4source record 5287
Typical ignorant response. No, I actually love animals. Had a dog. Had a cat. Parakeets. Cockatiels. Fish. Bearded dragon. How ironic that Dog owners claim to be “ animal lovers”. While at the same time, they crate them for hours on end. Leave them alone barking in their houses or apartments all day. Suffering from separation anxiety. And now, since they can’t part with them for more than a few minutes, they dragged them into all sorts of people only spaces (loud bars, restaurants, stores, etc.). The new entitled dog culture has imposed their dogs on everyone else without any care except to satisfy their selfish needs. So, no, it’s not the dogs/animals i have issues with. The owners on the other hand…♥ 0source record 5292
I agree with you 100%. The dog and cat were basically thrown at me way back when my daughter was young. We all know how that story goes. Having those animals basically turned me into a slave. It was a hard lesson learned for some years. Which is why I haven’t had a pet in over 20 years. My distain for dog owners only developed after Covid. It seems that there was an extreme trend to buy an adopt a dog. Now they are everywhere in every place imaginable. Not to mention all the feces and urine puddles on the sidewalks. And the worst part is that door owners find this perfectly acceptable. All of this has been normalized without any concern or consideration for others. Hope that helps understand where I’m coming from.♥ 2source record 5294
theres never bad dogs, just bad owners♥ 1source record 5305
Then you probably put in effort for your kid, and not for the dog because you don't like it. I say this because most of what you describe is due to the owner, not the dog.♥ 1source record 5338
Dogs don’t suck, crappy owners do!♥ -1source record 5399
Have had tough dogs and still love them, but I also put a lot of thought into getting a dog. A lot of people in this thread seem like they got a dog just because its a fun sounding thing to do without putting even a small amount of thought into "Hey, this is a sentient being with a lot of needs and emotions that is entirely dependent on my care and love." Of course they are a lot of work. Of course they need a lot of love. They are emotional beings. Its shocking to see so many people in this thread who signed up for that act like they are bamboozled by the work it takes to properly care for a creature that was bred to be dependent on humans and has basic needs that you are signing up to take care of, physically, mentally, and emotionally.♥ 2source record 5418

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Why readers chose it: 155 records comparing the two, with parents on both sides. The case for children being harder is specific: a baby cannot be left alone at all, a dog does not wake you at intervals all night, and nobody is prosecuted for leaving a dog for eight hours. The case the other way is equally specific: the baby stage ends and the dog stage does not, children eventually manage their own toileting, and a child can be taken places a dog cannot. Several parents of both say the puppy phase was harder than the newborn phase. Nobody resolves it, and most of both sides end up agreeing the comparison is about duration rather than intensity.

What readers reported: Completely different things, I wouldn't call it a fair comparison. A dog is a fully functional creature that can generally fend for itself. Left alone for 8 hours it may become bored, depressed, or destructive. A baby cannot protect itself in any way, shape, or form. They could roll over and suffocate on a blanket because they don't have sufficient use of their body yet. A baby left alone for 8hrs has a non-negotiable chance of being seriously injured or dead.

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I disagree, I love my two year old but to each their own!

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Yeah I don't know how many people upvoting this regularly interact or have babies lol. I'm in agreement that owning a dog sucks, I have one myself and whilst I love her I rushed in far too quick as a fresh-out-of-home 18 year old and had no idea what I was really getting myself into, 4 of my cats are genuinely easier to deal with than she's coming up to 6 years old and she's a good girl, but dogs are so much extra work. I babysit my infant cousins sometimes and I love them but holy shit, the dogs like a saint in comparison, I never have them for longer than 6 hours at a time and everytime I hand them back it's like another little reassurance that i've made the right choice staying child free lol. One of them at the minute has broken 3 of his mum and dad's televisions since the start of 2026, and these are high up on the wall tvs, Fuck. That.

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We had a baby and we had a puppy. The puppy was house broken and stopped crying in the night within a few months. Can't say the same about the baby. There's a reason people want a dog instead of a child. They're less responsibility and emotional investment.

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I'm with you OP on this 😂 I have 4 kids, they've out smarted the dog by miles , even the toddler is a doddle compared , they can clean themselves, help with chores ,they know not to jump all over the sofa when wet and muddy, for most parts they can go to the toilet on their own and pee and poop in the toilet, can entetain themselves, aren't clingy AF, and go for walks without them eating random 💩 on the floor,running off or needing to be on a leash. The kids are way better than our dog imo 😂, she (the dog) is an adorable goofball we love her dearly but I would choose to birth quadruples over having another dog. Never again 😂😅

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Same reason people dont want kids. A lot of responsibility.

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i'll still take a dog over kids any day.

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Well, never have kids. They’re worse

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I've had a lot of people tell me the exact same words about their children.♥ 26source record 200
The reason we have dogs is that they are far, far less work than children! We've owned two chihuahuas - one got very old, the other is still with us. They have been extremely low maintenance and are very chill. The future is pretty terrifying. I wake up at night a lot; my wife does, usually at other times than I am. The dog is there for us.♥ 4source record 222
It's not even close to the same. Lol. Toddler is 10X harder.♥ 12source record 250
In my mind I'd rather just have a toddler. At least my baby doesn't give me literal asthma attacks. And they eventually learn how to shit in the toilet.♥ 6source record 252
But human babies and toddlers won’t kill you. And the diapers make the clean up a bit easier lol♥ 16source record 261
You can leave your baby for 8 hours as well. You shouldn't, but you can♥ 71source record 263
Completely different things, I wouldn't call it a fair comparison. A dog is a fully functional creature that can generally fend for itself. Left alone for 8 hours it may become bored, depressed, or destructive. A baby cannot protect itself in any way, shape, or form. They could roll over and suffocate on a blanket because they don't have sufficient use of their body yet. A baby left alone for 8hrs has a non-negotiable chance of being seriously injured or dead.♥ 47source record 264
Right! And if a coworker told me that their dog is home alone the whole workday I wouldn't really bat an eye. If somebody said their baby was home alone all day I'd call the cops.♥ 22source record 265
If anything goes wrong with the baby, then you go to jail. for a dog.... maybe not.♥ 13source record 266
Raising kids are hardly comparable imo. Very different experiences. Much more involved in raising humans. Sometimes it goes in for decades even when they are adults. The emotional aspect never ends.♥ 4source record 268
Baby stage is much much shorter than a dog’s life.♥ 26source record 269
A friend of mine trained both her dogs from puppies and has two kids and maintains that having a kid is easier♥ 6source record 270
Idk. I have two kids, 18 and 12, and I still don't feel ready for a dog. Most kids, for example, eventually get to a point where their bowel movements are no longer your problem. It only takes a few years, too. My 12 year old gets herself up and makes her own breakfast.♥ 4source record 272
But having kids sucks for other reasons. Both are great, family is great, but that doesn't mean it's all rainbows and butterflies. Cats. Cats on the other hand are like 90% great 10% suck.♥ 68source record 327
At various times my cats have been harder than my kids and vice versa. But in both cases, those mostly referred to the first one to two years of life and then they calm down entirely. While puppies are certainly harder, the hardness does not totally disappear after two years the way it does with a cat. The only other analogously difficult animal I’ve owned who’s given me half the trouble of a dog is a horse. For reference, I’m a dog trainer. I do not think they should be such popular pets. We created a world they tend not to acclimate to especially since so many folks think they know how to own them properly, and don’t.♥ 23source record 328
Same reason people dont want kids. A lot of responsibility.♥ 87source record 351
Lol, doggies problems have a limit. Kids don't, haha. Ask me how I know.♥ 35source record 354
No it isn’t. You can’t leave a baby home alone all day. My dog does not cry. He can feed himself. I don’t have to put him to sleep, he just goes to sleep and stays in bed all night, etc.♥ 33source record 379
As someone who severely suffered through the newborn stage and also has owned many dogs, it’s absolutely not the same.♥ 16source record 380
Yeah I don't know how many people upvoting this regularly interact or have babies lol. I'm in agreement that owning a dog sucks, I have one myself and whilst I love her I rushed in far too quick as a fresh-out-of-home 18 year old and had no idea what I was really getting myself into, 4 of my cats are genuinely easier to deal with than she's coming up to 6 years old and she's a good girl, but dogs are so much extra work. I babysit my infant cousins sometimes and I love them but holy shit, the dogs like a saint in comparison, I never have them for longer than 6 hours at a time and everytime I hand them back it's like another little reassurance that i've made the right choice staying child free lol. One of them at the minute has broken 3 of his mum and dad's televisions since the start of 2026, and these are high up on the wall tvs, Fuck. That.♥ 8source record 381
THANK you. The amount of people that have never had a baby, making this moronic comparison, is staggering.♥ 6source record 382
I have never had a baby, but I know lots of people who have, and this comparison is unhinged to me. Having a baby nearly destroyed my brother, and he didn't have birth or nurse it. My dog has been super easy and barely changed my life.♥ 5source record 383
More people need to think this way about having kids.♥ 2source record 877
I remember having my sibling's three kids over and the next day when I returned them I was absolutely exhausted.♥ 3source record 1292
I love going to my sister's and playing with my nieces and nephews but I could never deal with them, except maybe the chill 12yo, for more than a day or 2♥ 3source record 1301
It’s no different than having kids tbh♥ 1source record 1365
Short term with kids is fine. Like taking nieces and nephews to a theme park. Yay! Going through parent/teacher days, dating, medical, bad friends, wrecked cars, no thank you very much.♥ 2source record 1376
Yes, at least babies grow up and you can assign chores to them. They can make their own food and poop on their own.♥ 2source record 1419
Yeah I don’t have kids but I work in pediatric emergency and kids are definitely harder lmao♥ 2source record 1431
This is how I feel about human children.♥ 2source record 1436
Yep. I actively encourage my friends to keep making babies. I think kids are adorable, but I don't have much interesting in giving birth (sooo scary) or raising any (soooo much work) lol. But I will support projects that benefit kids and parents. We are contributing to the balance of things.♥ 3source record 1437
That’s exactly what I’ve always said. At least kids can learn to take themselves to the bathroom, and fix food at a certain age. Having a dog is a huge responsibility. I always said, it’s a a lifestyle!♥ 2source record 1441
This is something I don’t understand about dog owners who don’t like kids. Like, they have signed up for 7-10 years of the hardest years! Kids get older and learn to do things on their own, dogs won’t.♥ 1source record 1458
I love having a dog and find it pretty easy and rewarding. I will never have a baby because it looks like an inescapable hell. My dog is quiet, sleeps through the night (and most of the day), shits in the woods where I never have to touch it, and can stay home alone for hours. A baby shits itself constantly and communicates via screaming at any hour. I have watched many people raise kids, I have seen it destroy their mental health, supplant their identity, and take a heavy toll on their bodies, not to mention finances. I also don't have to educate my dog or worry about how he will find employment and happiness in a dying world once I'm gone.♥ 3source record 1479
Yes also babies grow up and slowly but surely learn to do things themselves. With dogs it's the same old shit daily from the beginning to the end. It's sure is easier as long as it's comparable but not nearly as rewarding as there is not much evolution along the way. Honestly, I think dogs are great as many things, except the main reason why people have them: having a surrogate child/friend by exploiting their pack instinct.♥ 7source record 1499
>slightly easier A dog is 10 times easier than a baby. There is no comparison. Anyone who thinks they're similar is not a parent.♥ 7source record 1500
Eh, I’d say the first 2-3 months of raising my newborn puppy was harder in some ways than the first 6-8 months of my newborn daughter. At least the sleepless nights raising my daughter could be spent sitting in my recliner or bed. But the sleepless nights raising my puppy were spent stepping in and cleaning up constant piss, taking him out for 3 AM walks, chasing him away from the couch/table/shoes/anything else he wanted to destroy, and trying to no avail to stop the barking from waking the neighbors. Luckily its a way shorter newborn process than a baby, and there are some ways where the baby is harder too, but all in all, I’d rather do 2 months of the newborn baby over 2 months of the newborn puppy After those first 2-3 months though im with you 100% that raising a child is a million times harder♥ 7source record 1501
I have three kids. I will tell everyone I know that my dog was and continues to be my most difficult child♥ 2source record 1516
The only people who think this are people who don’t have children \- signed person who used to think this before having children♥ 2source record 1522
And it’s funny seeing them list the reasons why they don’t want kids and they decide to get a dog instead e.g my sister.♥ 6source record 1523
You don't have to give birth to and have your body destroyed by a dog. You're missing that one crucial bit. And you can put it down once you're through, without getting arrested :)♥ 2source record 1524
When I was getting a dog a friend started a speil about how much responsibility they took, then stopped realizing I had children already. A dogs easy at that point.♥ 1source record 1534
Worse tbh. Got friends with kids and others with dogs. Teh ones with kids can eventually start bringing their kids out, and at some point won't even wnt to spend time with their parents. Teh ones with dogs are going to eternally having to get home at a certain time or hire a dog sitter. Even have to leave events to take their dogs for a walk and check on them otherwise they chew up the place or get depressed. AND dogs just seem to have large health bills way more often than kids.♥ 1source record 1541
Is this a joke? Do you have children? I *cannot* fathom you saying yes... Dogs are a BREEZE in comparison.♥ 1source record 1547
Raising either is difficult, but I’d much rather raise kids of my own than a dog.♥ 1source record 1549
Exactly this. And like kids are a handful but eventually they grow up. By their teens they DON'T want to spend time with their parents and the parents are free to go out again. And ideally if you raise a kid well, educate them eventually they grow into decent people that will be around for oyu in old age. With dogs you just get pet bills to sustain a life that's probably gonna last 20 years.♥ 2source record 1555
Same I can’t imagine having an infant then toddler then young child then young adult I had to raise and prepare for the world. Never ending. Dogs are messy and needy but that’s about it.♥ 1source record 1645
I have a 9 year old dog and a 3 year old kid. Very much think baby light is more than fair. There’s the bare minimum of your life needing to revolve around a dogs needs. Food, bathroom and not having the ability to leave for longer periods of time. Obviously a kid can’t be left at all really (until they’re a bit older which I’m not close to lol), but if you have a dog you can’t just leave them to go crash someplace else over night without coverage. Then there’s other factors like training, needing to figure out a plan for the dog for vacations based on lodging, worrying about medical issues that pop up. My life with a dog is way closer to having a kid than a life without a dog. My cats or my fish I wouldn’t even think of saying that. Obviously there’s some complexity, but I can leave them both for a week on vacation with someone occasionally coming over to do litter (I have automated feeds and water for the cats) or feed the fish. I personally think having a dog is great practice for having a kid to teach you the basics, especially if it’s just you taking care of the dog. If you can’t handle the training aspect of a dog, responsibility of feeding them and letting them out, then you might want to think harder on if you can do that on hard mode with a kid.♥ 1source record 1651
...except dogs can be moderately self-sufficient in general, and it's stupid to pretend otherwise. They can walk, they can understand basic commands and cues from a few months of age or less, they won't slam their soft heads into hard surfaces at a moment's notice, yadda yadda.♥ 3source record 1701
I'm not trying to argue. I just think kids are a mich bigger commitment.♥ 1source record 1734
Which is crazy. The best part of a dog vs. kids is you don’t need a babysitter and can just leave your house!♥ 9source record 1750
I can bring my dog to outside patio and he just chills and happy to get pets where my friends are always running after their kids or dealing with tantrums, I feel like having a dog that is not a puppy is vastly easier than a child unless the dog is very reactive or something♥ 3source record 1766
We had a baby and we had a puppy. The puppy was house broken and stopped crying in the night within a few months. Can't say the same about the baby. There's a reason people want a dog instead of a child. They're less responsibility and emotional investment.♥ 2source record 1782
Yea, it is not the same at all. The only thing that's the same is that both depend on daily care from us to survive, but in vastly different ways. Speaking generally, the kinds of attention and care they each need are not even similar.♥ 2source record 1786
Not to mention being sore from labour or your back hurting from carrying the baby/ toddler around. And don't get me started on breastfeeding. And all your hormones being wacko. I just got a puppy and I have a 3.5 year old boy and excuse me the puppy has been so easy 😆 like my kid almost killed me from exhaustion. I was so afraid the pup was going to be like my baby...err not even close.♥ 2source record 1787
I disagree 🤣 so much. I had a horrible pregnancy, labor and postpartum. I thought I was gonna die of exhaustion. My whole body was wacko and hurt so much. I was like hyper vigilant of my kid. Mother nature took control of me. You know mama bear yeah that is me. holly. Anyways, I got a pup now and I was a bit afraid after my experience with my kid. It is the easiest ride ever. My body doesn't hurt plus. My mind is calm plus. It is so easy lol. I guess it depends on temperament. I did research and made sure to get something chill♥ 2source record 1863
Yet kids age out of it instead of being 100% dependent on you to make sure they shit where they need to for up to 17 years. Not to mention it’s a human child… not a dog…♥ 1source record 1910
Blown away the dog is harder than the child. Different strokes I suppose♥ 3source record 1938
This. I like dogs. I respect dogs. But I canNOT have a dog. For me…they are harder than having kids. For many reasons. And I just can’t do it. My cats and daughter are enough. MAYBE when everyone is out of the house and I have no responsibilities. But probably not.♥ 3source record 1970
Get a kid. They eventually learn to stop shitting in the yard♥ 2source record 2047
You think dogs are bad? Wait til you have children♥ 2source record 2050
Not as bad as owning a kid♥ 2source record 2054
As a guy with a golden retriever but no kids yet, I’m kind of surprised to hear you say that about your dog but not your 2 year old kid lol. I figured raising a kid is like having a dog on steroids? Idk I never had these thoughts with my dog except when she was in the puppy phase♥ 2source record 2121
Wait until you have kids 😵‍💫♥ 2source record 2141
If you think this makes having a dog hard, probably don’t have kids. They are way messier and harder.♥ 2source record 2176
Still better than children. Our dog is never going to need a ride to soccer practice, or need some fancy clothes for prom, or develop a rebellious attitude out of nowhere, or break the law and need to be bailed out of jail, etc The worst thing the pup can put us through is picking up her poop during the daily walks.♥ 2source record 2184
Try having a kid. They are at least 10 times harder than a dog♥ 2source record 2251
Dude, wait until you hear about 'children.' You're never gonna believe it!♥ 2source record 2303
Keep in mind all of these points apply to children as well.♥ 2source record 2327
If you think having a dog is too much responsability, please don't have children.♥ 1source record 2343
If you can’t handle a dog, you in no way should have children. 🙄♥ 1source record 2362
Imagine the people that have this thought AFTER having kids♥ 2source record 2387
Never become a parent. You'd hate it♥ 2source record 2400
Nah. I have a son. I love him. Hes the best. Much different than owning a dog.♥ 4source record 2401
Yes but dogs over kids any day of the week♥ 1source record 2414
Def not for everyone. Its like having a kid♥ 1source record 2429
Odd, that's EXACTLY how I feel about kids,...thank you no! Dogs, I adore...♥ 1source record 2441
You should definitely never have kids. Dogs are way easier♥ 2source record 2558
The complaint about dog shit from someone who has a kid is so funny to me. I would way rather pick up dog shit the ground than have to clean shit off a squirmy baby♥ 1source record 2567
I will say this is someone who has a child. They're less work. Once you hit 3 or 4, they figured out the toilet for the most part. They go to school for the majority of the day they learn how to make their own food eventually. Also , they have their own friends and they don't wanna be around you , 24/7♥ 2source record 2666
I would not suggest you have children if the dog is too much for you.♥ 1source record 2788
Don't have kids. Responsibility of a dog X100.♥ 1source record 2806
This is how I feel about kids. Except, you're with that kid your WHOLE LIFE. If your kid has any issues? They are literally with you. Now my dog? She's the light of my life. I don't mind going home to walk her. I want to spend my time with her. Sometimes I use her as an excuse to go home early b/c I want to leave. Do I worry about her if there's a storm or something and she's scared? Yup! Is she expensive? Yup! Do I cook all of her food and that takes a whole day every other month? Sure does. She goes to daycare every day while I'm at work, has all the medical care she needs, only stays with my mom or my ex if I travel and she's not coming with me. I will be lucky to get 15 years with her, I am going to make sure every day of that girl's life is perfect as possible. That being said, dogs are not for everyone! Pets in general aren't for everyone. If you're not going to make their life the best ever, don't get one. Treat them like family or don't have one. They are incredibly complex creatures.♥ 1source record 2875
They are not even remotely the same thing. I grew up with dogs and have two children but absolutely would never have a dog as an adult. For one, I can communicate with my children and they understand what I'm saying. If they mess up, they can process why I might be upset with them and internalize it to not do it again. Secondly, I can take my children into public without worrying about them attacking or being attacked by another child just for existing. My kids also don't slobber, lick, nor stick their noses on others crotches. Third, I can leave my kids with grandparents to have a weekend away with my wife. If I had a dog, I have to take them with me, or find someone to care for them, which is much more of a burden. Dogs aren't kids.♥ 1source record 2894
I strongly recommend you do not have children cause if you think a dog is bad just know it can get a million times worse.♥ 1source record 2986
People freak out whenever someone says "Having a dog is just like having a child." Yet almost all the top comments here - and OP's statement - would look right at home in a thread about having a very young child. Except for the pooping in the yard part; I have seen firsthand the results indoors of baby crawling around inside the house with a diaper leaking liquid poo, and it ain't pretty. Then there's this: >This dog will approach and try to eat anything, no matter how dodgy it looks I can still close my eyes and vividly picture my horror as, while on a beachfront vacation, my toddler scooped up a handful of sand and stuffed it in their mouth.♥ 1source record 3021
There comes a time in every adult's life where having a child is basically the same amount of work as adopting a dog. Just have the kid, it's more rewarding.♥ 1source record 3039
I DO agree with some of OPs statements about dog ownership. I think also Kids can be self-unaware, clingy, self-centered, messy, expensive, and put ANYTHING in their mouths. Certain stages of growth definitely suck! I hated puberty😏 My dog LOVES everyone he knows, kids especially. I consider him a blessing. He can piss me off, but so can my wife, my best friend, my kids… The love that flows both ways, I love my dog and he loves me, is worth the negative aspects of the relationship.♥ 1source record 3077
yeah having a child is literally just a small step above having a dog for me and id prefer the kid because at least it would be able to talk to me and make money at some point lol♥ 3source record 3083
Just wait until you have kids!!♥ 1source record 3087
Yet people want kids but when I say kids are like dogs that require more attention, I’m the bad guy.♥ 1source record 3088
Dont have kids then.... this guy is in for a rude awakening♥ 1source record 3162
Yeah, dogs kinda suck. Kids rock though. But having a dog often delays when people start having kids, which sucks cuz dogs kinda suck, but kids rock.♥ 1source record 3214
Just wait until you have kids… it’s like having a dog magnified by 10♥ 1source record 3255
It's pretty ironic saying this when you have a kid. Kids are waaaay more responsibility, way more expensive and way more exhausting. Partner and I will not have kids unless we magically become rich somehow. Dogs are a walk in the park. You can pay someone to pick up the dog poop if it's a real problem for you. We've seen the horrors of having children from friends, dogs don't come close. I'll take stepping in dog poop outside any day. Human faeces/pee/frothy stale milk vomit on my couch? on my Bed? In my car? Not a chance... you brave, strong individuals can deal with that.♥ 1source record 3259
If you think a dog is hard just wait for kids lmao they are even worse♥ 1source record 3277
I feel the same way about children. I have none of those but happily have had up to three dogs at a given time.♥ 1source record 3282
Wait until you have kids♥ 1source record 3313
This is how I see rising kids are like♥ 1source record 3334
I have a dog and a (now grown) kid, and the dog is much worse hands down.♥ 1source record 3335
And for any prospective parents out thinking of having children, change the word from dog to kid and the post is exactly the same situation, having a dog is literally like having a young child♥ 1source record 3414
You haven't raised a puppy who needs to house train. Owning a pet is still easier than raising a human babies though. I guess you wont want to be a father.♥ 1source record 3489
I wonder if you said the same thing when your kid was an infant. Cleaning up poop, fragile with zero self awareness, constantly needing attention, eating things that shouldn't be eaten, only enjoying the cute moments.♥ 1source record 3499
It's normal, same thing with babies. If you didn't grow up around them (like me) you're like yeah theyre cute but they shit so much, and it's way worse than dogs. People with big families probably l changed a thousand diapers a day, you really do tend to stop paying attention to that part and focusing more on how incredibly cute the baby is. My family is super duper small, there's only 5 of us kids and we're in or nearing our thirties. I'm the oldest and I still get hounded for babies, but Ive always been uncomfortable around them (them being fragile scares me). My brothers wife had their first kid and I'm just over the moon, he is amazingly precious. Can't wait to take him out and get him in trouble lol. Mom STILL demands a baby from me and I staunchly tell her no. If it happens accidently I'll be much less scared since my nephew was born, but I would never ever be able to do it myself.♥ 1source record 3526
This is why I don’t want kids. Same reasons you think owning a dog sucks.♥ 1source record 3536
Yup. Getting dogs was one of the things that helped seal the deal against having kids. I'm just not interested in caregiving.♥ 1source record 3541
Well, if he is complaining about the clinging behavior of a dog, he should ask his wife about how clingy babies are, because he clearly doesn't know lol. If you've raised a literal human baby, idk how a dog can be such a chore. I've raised animals my whole life, and I love it, it is work, but holy shit its nothing compared to caring for a baby or even an old person who can't take care of themselves. Dogs are CAKE compared to humans.♥ 1source record 3576
I have 5 dogs. It’s not that hard. But if you think dogs are hard, then maybe reconsider having children. Because they’re probably equally as difficult and hard to keep safe. Both are highly trainable/raisable, but a dog stays in the role of a pet whereas a kid grows up to enter society. So raising kids is slightly more important and can grow up to be amazing people or awful human beings (maybe even a killer or something). Just some insight.♥ 1source record 3603
How in the world is taking care of a 2 year old easier than a dog?♥ 1source record 3647
Yeah, dogs and humans are different. You're really close to getting my point (: Humans are exponentially more difficult to care for than a dog, with a much longer period of commitment. One of the required traits of caregivers: patience. If this person (self-admittedly) lacks the patience or temperment to care for a dog, one can assume he doesn't have the INCREASED patience required to raise a human child.♥ 1source record 3666
Way easier than having kids though lol I have 5 dogs and although they’re a lot of work the goods far outweigh the bads for me. I’m an animal lover, but I do not think everyone is suited to care for an animal.♥ 1source record 3807
A dog is training for a kid♥ 1source record 3821
Man having a dog is almost like having a kid, just on a smaller scale, they are cute but I dont have the discipline to keep a damn tank clean so I can't even get a fish♥ 1source record 3822
Not gonna lie, I just had a baby and I still don’t want to own a dog because it seems like such an annoyance. At least the child eventually grows up. The dog doesn’t.♥ 1source record 3838
Truly the dog is more of a hassle than the toddler♥ 1source record 3972
I disagree, I love my two year old but to each their own!♥ 1source record 3973
Wait until this guy finds out about kids♥ 1source record 3990
You’re complaining about responsibility. You’re explaining the nuisances and responsibilities owning a dog yet you have a 2 year child which is alarming because that’s more of a responsibility.♥ 1source record 4011
Dogs are absolutely work and you make some choices when you have them. As a rabid dog enthuasist since I was seven, as I'm now in my 40s I'm looking to cut back (I have 7) as they pass away and move away from my dog lifestyle (showing and eventing and occasionaly breeding a rare breed I've had for twenty years). Of course they are easier then kids. I remind my co-workers, when they point out my dogs, that when I put them in a cage people tell me I am reasonable and praise me.♥ 1source record 4058
Dude you have a child xD dog is nothing compared to a child♥ 1source record 4059
To be honest I love animals a lot, but outside my home… I always wanted a dog but after 30, when I could have one I changed my mind 🤪I used to have cats at home-3. but my parents were doing everything… that’s why it was cool, but now when it’s only me and my husband I would rather have 1-2 kids, seriously, at least you know what for all these sacrifices.♥ 1source record 4063
That’s what being responsible for another living organism requires. Wait until you have kids.♥ 1source record 4071
My dogs have been less work than my kids.♥ 1source record 4112
Replace "(owning) a dog" with "(having) a child". All your points still hold. ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)♥ 1source record 4129
My mom said she would rather adopt a kid than raise a pet.♥ 1source record 4140
I’d rather have a dog over a kid any day.♥ 0source record 4174
The same responsibility as a child.♥ 1source record 4183
i guess it’s true but as a child free person i think having a dog sucks about as much as having a kid sucks… diaper blow outs, biting, teenage angst lol♥ 1source record 4216
Dogs are easy af. Wait until you have kids.♥ 1source record 4219
Not even a problem. I love my son. I love teaching him and being with him.♥ 1source record 4327
There's so much similarity between how having a dog is portrayed vs the actual requirements of being a decent pet owner, and how having children is portrayed vs the actual requirements of raising kids. I'm firmly in the "The benefit far exceeds the costs" on both but my got the amount of time's I've seen the complete rearraigning of your life hand waved away for both of these. I don't trust people who say either is easy, I just think they're kinda shitty at it. I'm sure there's an exception out there somewhere but every person I've ever met who's life didn't change with getting a pet or having a kid was the most self centered human I'd ever met.♥ 1source record 4361
All the disadvantages of having a kid, few of the advantages.♥ 1source record 4419
Sounds like having a child. I have the same complaints 😂♥ 1source record 4451
I like other people's dogs. I'd rather have another child, because that's what dogs basically are, another dependant. I'd love another child enough to warrant the commitment, not a dog.♥ 1source record 4488
You could say almost the same thing about children. Pets are like training wheels before you have kids.♥ 1source record 4541
It’s practice for kids!♥ 0source record 4590
I have 5 dogs. It really isn't that hard. If you think having 1 dog is hard..maybe think before you have kids.♥ 1source record 4625
I'm with you OP on this 😂 I have 4 kids, they've out smarted the dog by miles , even the toddler is a doddle compared , they can clean themselves, help with chores ,they know not to jump all over the sofa when wet and muddy, for most parts they can go to the toilet on their own and pee and poop in the toilet, can entetain themselves, aren't clingy AF, and go for walks without them eating random 💩 on the floor,running off or needing to be on a leash. The kids are way better than our dog imo 😂, she (the dog) is an adorable goofball we love her dearly but I would choose to birth quadruples over having another dog. Never again 😂😅♥ 1source record 4632
Id rather have a dog than a child. Having kids sucks.♥ 1source record 4652
Honest to God raising a baby/toddler/ kid is easier than a puppy/ dog♥ 1source record 4654
I agree. I’ve watched and listened to my friends closely and have decided that dogs are actually harder than kids. I guess because kids you can bring them with you and not worry about being tied to the house so much. Dogs severely limit your travel and daily habits. Also, kids start to wipe themselves after 4 years and dogs need their poop dealt with on the regular. You have to really really really appreciate the dog for it to be worth it.♥ 1source record 4694
Lmao says the guy with the two year old human that probably has all the same qualities but is harder to train. It’s not for everyone, dude. Not everyone is equipped to be a dog parent, or a human parent for that matter. If you don’t have the capacity to maintain both then don’t…♥ 1source record 4706
i'll still take a dog over kids any day.♥ 1source record 4837
I've had a dog, I'd rather have another child than a pet 🤷‍♀️♥ 0source record 4839
This sounds exactly why 90% of people who have kids do not realise what it really entails and do such a bad job because they were not prepared for the sacrifices and work it takes to raise a child. Dogs are like the easy version and people still find it a challenge.♥ 1source record 4878
Except you can leave it home alone for hours at a time, and no one really looks down on you for putting it in a cage♥ 1source record 5046
Came here to say this... you can leave them alone much more easily than a toddler. And they don't talk back (mostly haha)♥ 1source record 5047
I’m a 34 year old single guy with several pets and lots of nieces and nephews. There is no comparison on how easy it is to raise an animal. The first 3/4 months of a 8 week old puppy is pretty equal to a 1 year old child, maybe the first week is like a newborn, but after that the dog mostly just sleeps and wants to play a few times a day. The potential gain on having a child is so much higher than an animal though haha. My pup is not taking care of me in 30 years.♥ 1source record 5048
\+ it loses fur all the time and does other disgusting things and can do more damage too. I preferd my girl as toddler but she's at the chill age of 5 now.♥ 1source record 5063
I have two toddlers and a frenchie. At least the dog wants to listen and please me.♥ 1source record 5064
Well at least kids grow up, and you can communicate with them.♥ 1source record 5090
Not when it comes to being potty trained which is what this conversation is about.♥ 1source record 5179
Eventually they entertain the children tho♥ 1source record 5278
Children and dogs aren't in the same universe as far as caregiving goes.♥ 1source record 5403
Well, never have kids. They’re worse♥ -1source record 5404

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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Get a cat instead, and the differences people named

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Situation: Choosing a pet whose needs fit a working week

Why readers chose it: 236 records that name an actual difference rather than just naming a cat. The differences given are mechanical and consistent: a litter tray removes the walk and the schedule, a cat can be left for a weekend with food, water and a clean box, a cat sitter costs less than a dog sitter, and a cat does not need lifelong training. Many are ex-dog owners describing the switch and the relief, including a dog groomer, an animal control officer and somebody who spent fifteen years specialising in dogs in rescue and veterinary medicine. The honest ones qualify it: one commenter's medically complex cat costs a fortune and is still described as easier. A smaller group name rabbits, reptiles, birds, hamsters or a turtle for the same reasons.

What readers reported: The lack of rigid schedule makes it so much easier. It’s cheaper and easier to get a cat sitter than a dog sitter, even if you pay them extra to stay and play with the cat. You don’t have to take them outside in rain, heat, and freezing weather. They don’t need training (which is a lifelong process for dogs, if you’re a responsible dog owner. You need to keep consistently reinforcing rules for the dog’s whole life). And a number of other reasons. I love my dog and my cat, and I agree that cats require much more time and effort than most people give them, but holy hell cats are still so much easier.

Limit: Everything in this card is a personal report from an anonymous commenter, including the costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims. None of it is verified, several of these claims are contradicted elsewhere in the same thread, and nothing here is veterinary, behavioural or financial advice.

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I really don't think that is good advice on cat caretaking. You may have had an extremely independent/ non attached cat, but cats are not as hands-off as people like to think. Especially single cats require mental and physical stimulation and I would not recommend to anyone, or do so myself in good conscience, leave my cat alone for three! days.

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Nope, you just sit next to it in your home

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Same, had dogs forced on me by my parents and I'm never again taking one for a piss walk in the rain. All dogs we ever had were properly trained, but still... Its so much work... I have two cats now.

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I always wanted a dog growing up but my parents wouldn’t allow it. Years later when I moved in with my first long-term boyfriend, he convinced me to get a cat because “dogs sucked”. We ended up with 2. I loved them both dearly but still longed for a dog. When we broke up, I took my boy kitty with me. Unfortunately, he only lived to 7 due to kidney disease. Anyway, my next long-term bf (now husband) grew up with and loved dogs so after we moved in together, I finally got my dog… She was the sweetest, most loving, and loyal dog but turns out dogs are way more work than I ever imagined. Especially when they get older and start falling apart. She was a pretty big dog, about 85lbs, so when she decided she was done with her walk (often mid-walk), it was a nightmare trying to get her back in the house. I felt so bad because it wasn’t her fault- she was old with bad hips and arthritis but she needed to at least get some exercise and she also needed to poop. We lost her to cancer about a year ago. I was so heartbroken but also relieved that the daily struggle to care for an elderly dog was over. It used to piss me off that my ex hated dogs so much but honestly, he was kinda right - they do kind of suck in ways I didn’t expect. So then my husband and I got a cat recently and honestly, after now having both - cats are far superior pets. The best part is that you don’t have to basically hold their hand every time they have to poop and pee. They just do their business when they need to. My dog didn’t want to even do her business in the privacy of our backyard without me watching and that’s just too much for me lol ETA: also, dogs eat poop.

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I felt the same when I got a rabbit. Properly looking after one, as in not just throwing it in a cage, is so difficult. Rabbit proof the whole house, hide all cables, say goodbye to your pristine wooden furniture, everything will always kind of smell, the amount of dust from the hay, the little poops everywhere (which were actually the easiest part). Also, so clingy but also really bitchy. I loved her to bits. But after she passed away, I just said never again.

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Dogs are great. But they're not a potted plant. They need a lot of care and attention and unfortunately many owners don't even do the bare minimum. I've had cats all my life. I love cats, I think they're great. Cats are very hands off. You bring s cat into the home, you both size each other up, you get into each other's rhythm and then that's it, just refill their food and water and scoop the poop and that's it. Leaving home? They'll just chill. Going on vacation? They can easily last 2-3 days or more depending on how many litter boxes you have. You can have a friend just drop by every 2 days to top off the food and water and scoop the poop and they're fine. The most responsibility I had with my cat was when my old boy got diagnosed with diabetes. For 4 years, every single day, 6am and 6pm we had to give him his insulin and feed him. Sure some outings had to be declined or delayed to not miss his shot but that's it. He got another good 4 years thanks to that and I was glad to do it for him. A few years ago I moved in with my girlfriend and she has a dog. I love this dog, I think she's great, but oh my god it's like having an eternal toddler all the time. Pissing and pooping all day, just insane amounts. She goes out and steps on a thorn, off to the emergency clinic. She's at home, she jumps off the couch and throws out her back, off to the clinic again. She can't stay alone at home. She's trying to kill the poor foster kitten we rescued. Our whole lives are structured around this dog and her endless needs. And we have it good compared to others, because there's a lot of stuff she doesn't do that many dogs do like eating stuff that will kill them or ruining furniture etc. I love animals I really do. I've had a bunch of cats, fostered dozens of puppies and kittens, saved baby birds and turtles and even a lizard one time. But honestly if this dog wasn't here when I got here I would have never opted for one.

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Yup same. My parents had dogs growing up. We got a cat that attached to me my senior year of high school and I had him for 15 years until he unfortunately passed due to kidney disease. He was tough at the end, but in no way was he more difficult than a dog. Plus no barking. An animal who’s default volume is yell is just stressful

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I grew up with dogs all my life. When I moved out on my own, I swore to never own a dog ever again in my life, for these and many other reasons. Got a cat instead and she is SO much easier to take care of.

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I share your sentiments exactly. I love dogs too and often mind my parents' Alaskan Malamute but I couldn't have a dog of my own. Just too much responsibility. I understand why people get cats instead as they're more independent and less needy than dogs. I really like cats too so will probably get one soon.

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Yup, you don't have to deal with any of this shit with cats.

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Yeah, I love dogs but they are almost like having another kid. We have cats and they are much less dependent, generally speaking, but now that they're getting older, they require much more attention. We used to be able to leave for 3-4 days and they would be fine. Now it's a day, tops.♥ 74source record 74
I got a second cat for the first to play with. It was a trap. I then had two cats that wanted my undivided attention. I could never own a dog. They’re 10x the emotional work of a cat. That and they smell so bad all the time.♥ 377source record 174
This. People always make fun of owning a CAT like you will be the cat's slave. Sorry but the dog needs 50x more attention and work than a cat. You need to entertain it, walk it 3x a day, pick up its poop everywhere, clean it, educate it,... The cat will just spend its whole day outside by its own and come back in the evening to cuddle with you. It cleans itself and shits in a box. And the cat smells good.♥ 5source record 206
I grew up with dogs all my life. When I moved out on my own, I swore to never own a dog ever again in my life, for these and many other reasons. Got a cat instead and she is SO much easier to take care of.♥ 509source record 309
People will swear they hate cats because of one cat their friend’s grandmother’s neighbor’s boss had when they were a kid that didn’t like to be picked up by a random kid and tried scratching them. Meanwhile they do 80% of what dogs can, are smarter, cleaner, and are 3x easier to take care of♥ 150source record 314
Same, had dogs forced on me by my parents and I'm never again taking one for a piss walk in the rain. All dogs we ever had were properly trained, but still... Its so much work... I have two cats now.♥ 4source record 318
Yup same. My parents had dogs growing up. We got a cat that attached to me my senior year of high school and I had him for 15 years until he unfortunately passed due to kidney disease. He was tough at the end, but in no way was he more difficult than a dog. Plus no barking. An animal who’s default volume is yell is just stressful♥ 3source record 319
Yep! I grew up with a dog, but as an adult I’ll only have cats. Cats are for people who want a roommate. Dogs are for people who want a dopey toddler running around. They can be so sweet, but so much work. I’ll take furry emo roommates over that any day.♥ 4source record 320
This is why cats are superior. They’re pretty chill, poop and pee in the same spot, and give you the space you need while also being able to show affection. Plus I don’t need to drop what I’m doing to take it out on a walk 3 times a day no matter the weather. I have friends who are child free that have 2 dogs and I tell them all the time that having dogs is like having toddlers that never grow up.♥ 9source record 415
Dogs are great. But they're not a potted plant. They need a lot of care and attention and unfortunately many owners don't even do the bare minimum. I've had cats all my life. I love cats, I think they're great. Cats are very hands off. You bring s cat into the home, you both size each other up, you get into each other's rhythm and then that's it, just refill their food and water and scoop the poop and that's it. Leaving home? They'll just chill. Going on vacation? They can easily last 2-3 days or more depending on how many litter boxes you have. You can have a friend just drop by every 2 days to top off the food and water and scoop the poop and they're fine. The most responsibility I had with my cat was when my old boy got diagnosed with diabetes. For 4 years, every single day, 6am and 6pm we had to give him his insulin and feed him. Sure some outings had to be declined or delayed to not miss his shot but that's it. He got another good 4 years thanks to that and I was glad to do it for him. A few years ago I moved in with my girlfriend and she has a dog. I love this dog, I think she's great, but oh my god it's like having an eternal toddler all the time. Pissing and pooping all day, just insane amounts. She goes out and steps on a thorn, off to the emergency clinic. She's at home, she jumps off the couch and throws out her back, off to the clinic again. She can't stay alone at home. She's trying to kill the poor foster kitten we rescued. Our whole lives are structured around this dog and her endless needs. And we have it good compared to others, because there's a lot of stuff she doesn't do that many dogs do like eating stuff that will kill them or ruining furniture etc. I love animals I really do. I've had a bunch of cats, fostered dozens of puppies and kittens, saved baby birds and turtles and even a lizard one time. But honestly if this dog wasn't here when I got here I would have never opted for one.♥ 35source record 425
Owning a dog isn't for everyone. I love dogs to the point that I speak with strangers dogs before I say anything to them... But no, I have cats. I would just feel too guilty constantly for letting a dog down Also, if you have a working dog they shouldn't be pooping in the yard anyway -- a hound mix needs multiple solid walks a day (which further supports your point)♥ 6source record 443
100% it sucks. Grew up with dogs. The training, mandatory exercise, damage to floors, outdoor areas and walls, picking up their waste, urine damage to grass, the prospect of your dog attacking a human, they stink (even with regular bathing), dealing with other people’s untrained dogs… I’ve only had cats since I moved out of the family home and my life is bliss. Cats are so ridiculously clean, litter training is a breeze, they do their own thing and they smell good. I love dogs, but they’re a pain to own.♥ 5source record 446
My husband and I both grew up with dogs but crossed over to the feline side as adults. Cats are awesome, and clinginess in a cat is much easier to manage. Like, sometimes they sit on your lap and request you to pet them, but when you’re done, you just remove them♥ 5source record 447
had a cat, and i got the lottery one. Now own a dog (thanks to my GF). Seriously, a dog is 10 times worse than a lottery cat. Even travelling is more easy with a cat (which, at least on my experience, people tend to think the oposite). Also if its a well behaved cat is much easier to take care off with basic knowledge. But yeah you have a point, i never had a "bad" cat but it might be a pain aswell.♥ 3source record 597
Even better, get an inside cat. All of OPs complaints are now no longer relevant - the poop is in the litterbox, the slugs and other hazards are outside and cats tend not to be clingy (one of mine is though because she loves me, yes she does).♥ 7source record 842
Sounds like you need a cat in your life, reduce that active time to 20 minutes 😂♥ 1source record 1265
I’d just get a cat - lazy, chill, can load up food and water and leave it alone for any trips, don’t have to pick up its shit♥ 1source record 1267
I have three dogs and sometimes I'd trade them for cats cause you can leave them to fend for themselves over a night or two. My dogs are useless without human intervention♥ 2source record 1342
My cat is just as emotionally needy as my dog, except my dog couldn't sit on my keyboard when I'm working, but I don't have to drag myself out the house for him 3x a day.♥ 1source record 1370
I just have guinea pigs. Way easier than dogs and cats. Plus their poo does wonders for my garden. I am very happy to not have the responsibility for dogs, kids or cats. The piggies are just enough for me.♥ 2source record 1413
Aw! Nineteen is really a long time!❤️ I have two cats too, and while they are a responsibility of course, it’s not like a dog. They can go to the litter box when I’m not around, and are a lot more independent. We can leave them longer stretches of time, and they comfortably have everything they need.♥ 3source record 1445
We couldn't believe he lived so long tbh. It was crazy. And he really did not start slowing down and really showing his age until he was about 17. And yes, I agree the independence is what makes it easier for me. Cleaning litterboxes isn't a walk in the park but I can do it at my convenience rather than at set intervals every day that have to be specifically spaced out. Vacation planning is so much easier. And cats love differently. My older fellow was CLINGY and super ultra lovey and he adored me, but he wasn't like the dog where literally every waking moment of his life was centered on me. And my current 3 are all ex ferals so they're all fairly aloof, though sweet (and 2 are lawless and evil because they are kittens and kittens are of the devil lol. RIP to 3 houseplants and their hand painted pots, a rubberized kitchen mat, 4 chargers, my carpal tunnel wrist sleeves, several cardboard boxes, and 2 pairs of shower gloves - so far)♥ 2source record 1446
I have had cats for most of my life, and have added two redbone dogs to the mix. I love them both with all my heart and I wouldn't trade them for anything, but through owning them, I realized I am more of a cat person. 😅 My cats are like teenagers and my dogs are like toddlers. I can trust my cats to take care of themselves if they have food, water, and a litterbox. I cannot say the same for my dogs at all 🫠♥ 1source record 1452
I also had cats when I was younger but always wanted a dog. Finally got a shepherd mix at nearly 30. Gave her a good full life for around 12 years. She was so sweet but a huge handful in her elder years. Then I got a cat again after 13 years of not having one… I used to firmly sit on the fence and say “I’m just a lover of all animals” instead of picking a side but now I can confidently say I’m absolutely more of a cat person lol You hit the nail on the head with your analogy - dogs really are like toddlers and cats are like teenagers. Frankly, I prefer my pets to do their business without needing to hold their hand every time 😅♥ 2source record 1453
Yeah get a cat. Cats a easy.♥ 2source record 1505
This is essentially why I don't have dogs. Love them, love to play with them, but they're just too needy. I don't want a best friend sniffing up my ass every chance they get. That's why cats are my favorite. And my cats often act more like dogs, too.♥ 1source record 1540
I grew up with dogs but I will never own a dog. They are so much work and my word do they smell. Lol. I am a crazy cat lady. I love my cats :)♥ 21source record 1565
YES!! I've had both cats and dogs, and I'll take my cats any day! They allow for freedom, if I want to leave the house all day, or even spend a weekend away, the cat will be fine. I can leave extra food and water around, etc. They still require a decent amount of work, but it's so much more manageable than a dog. And honestly, my cat is super affectionate, he sits on my lap every night, unprompted, and just chills with me, I love him,♥ 3source record 1590
I've always had dogs, and I love them, but in recent years I've found myself liking cats more. They're not always in your business, just scoop their poo once a day and feed them, give them things to climb on and they're happy.♥ 3source record 1591
Cats are great, you don’t need to do much at all really. Keep them fed & they’ll take care of themselves, that’s why old ladies have them♥ 3source record 1593
The moment you discover at 21yo what living with a pet should be, small, silent , doesn't smell, self cleaning, does his stuff always in the designated spot, I can go anywhere for weeks and my sis comes once a day to fill up and clean. I'm at my 3rd cat now and I loved them all.♥ 2source record 1607
![gif](giphy|k1nQG140kYnqXHb9ix) Cats feed and poop them selves!♥ 2source record 1609
I do play with my cat daily. I dont have to take her to a park and play fetch to tire her out, just dangle her stringy toy around the couch and bed and she has fun. I dont have to take her on walks multiple times a day just so she can use the bathroom, she just goes in the litter box whenever she feels like it and I just scoop it all into a bag at the end of the day. You’ve probably never owned a cat if you think they’re just as much work as a dog. They are definitely less work.♥ 42source record 1631
The lack of rigid schedule makes it so much easier. It’s cheaper and easier to get a cat sitter than a dog sitter, even if you pay them extra to stay and play with the cat. You don’t have to take them outside in rain, heat, and freezing weather. They don’t need training (which is a lifelong process for dogs, if you’re a responsible dog owner. You need to keep consistently reinforcing rules for the dog’s whole life). And a number of other reasons. I love my dog and my cat, and I agree that cats require much more time and effort than most people give them, but holy hell cats are still so much easier.♥ 13source record 1632
This is just not true. A cat will be just fine if you leave Friday evening and come home Sunday afternoon. The dog would be dead (or the house is destroyed at the very least). Maybe it’s not ideal for the cat, but it’s at least doable. The responsibilities are not even close imo and I’ve owned both♥ 25source record 1633
Thats what I did. I always loved dogs and always had them growing up. 12 hour shifts at work made it impractical. I thought it wrong to keep a dog penned up that long so I got a cat. Love it. Can leave her at home as long as I need to. She poops in a box. Is clean. Friendly and a great companion. Not all cats are like mine but enough are. In the modern world, cats are much more practical.♥ 1source record 1643
I agree that comparing dogs and cats as if you're hoping to reach the same point doesn't make sense. It's like comparing a Porsche and a dump truck or something, then complaining the dump truck isn't fast enough, or the Porsche can't fit my gravel load. Well no shit. I like other people's dogs, but I also like cleanliness, peace and quiet, free time and money, daily flexibility, and traveling often. I'm biased, but my 2 cats are a pretty perfect blend of social and independent. They greet me when I get home, their food bowl is always left out, and my kitty litter brand is remarkably effective. I was a step-dad to a mostly good kid for 8 years. In many ways, he was easier than my gf's Doberman, especially as a pre-teen. Even just taking him with me for the day was easier without the can't go inside this restaurant/can't leave him in a hot car issue (to say nothing of finding the kid's company to be more engaging and interesting).♥ 3source record 1670
Cats on average are less demanding. I mean, the general recommendation is to play with them for half an hour a day. But whose cat usually agrees to play for that long? They get bored of us after 10 minutes and then walk away or stop playing. 😂😂 i walk my cat on a leash and after we go round the block she leads us back inside, etc. They're just typically never like dogs who need hours of play, to be walked and ran every day. Multiple times etc.♥ 1source record 1712
I have a medically needy cat - multiple medications each day for several different health conditions, prescription food, sees multiple different specialists several times a year, don’t even want to say how much I’ve spent on him over the years - and he is still a million times easier than a regular dog. I think the main difference is scooping a litter box daily, and even medications twice a day, doesn’t make your life revolve around a strict schedule. Dog people are always trying to plan around potty breaks. Go somewhere after work? Nah, gotta let the dog out. But cat people can make it! The other main difference is training/mental stimulation. Cats are generally content if you play with them for like 5 minutes a day and then they can just sit on your lap on the couch and get purr or sleep by you on the bed and be happy. Dogs need to play fetch, go on a walk, and receive training to be happy - and that’s an average house dog. If you have a working breed their energy and training requirements can be almost a second full time job to keep them from losing their minds. So, just because your friend is a shit cat owner doesn’t mean cats are high maintenance.♥ 6source record 1796
I’m very on top of my 2 cats’ hygiene, litter box, and food management, and as someone who considers herself generally lazy, i wouldn’t say the routine is a hassle at all. I have an auto food dispenser that measures exactly how much they can have, I scoop the litter box at least daily (3 mins tops), trim their nails/ hair maybe every 2-3 weeks. That’s all the work I can think of.♥ 3source record 1797
I think that person you mentioned is only talking about when they travel leaving their cats at home. Which is also normal if you have a food dispenser set and it dispenses a normal amount of food for the cats. In my personal experience as well, cats have been considerably less demanding and more independent than expected. I've been a person who has had dogs since I was born, I never imagined that I would love cats more but here I am. I honestly don't see myself adopting any dogs after my first experience with cats.♥ 2source record 1798
Cats will always be the superior pet. I threw my kitten in the litter box and he SELF TRAINED himself in 30 seconds. :,) cost me NOTHING. Also so low maintenance and chill. Dogs are too much.♥ 2source record 1860
It is true because in comparison to caring for a dog as I said requires very little. How do I know? Cause ived also had to care for cats myself. Cats don't need to be walked daily, are not as important to train, and don't require as much direct social interaction to remain cared for. They essentially come to you when they want it. Yes I'm aware that owners who have cats tend to neglate them. Which to me, those people who can't handle minimal responsibility for even a cat is an overall reflection of their terrible personalities to begin with.♥ 1source record 1876
Yeah it's not that easy true but it's definitely less work than a dog♥ 2source record 1890
I've always wanted a dog, but couldn't justify it due to cost, house size, work hours, etc... Partner wanted cats, I'm wasn't ever very fond of cats, considering myself a dog person. But, after getting 2 cats, and pet sitting my inlaws dog, I can confidently say I am not a dog person, I deffo prefer cats. They smell better (for the most part), are less hassle, and don't bark and growl at someone walking up the stairwell.♥ 10source record 1933
This is why I have lizards. I've had dogs my whole life and they're great, but I work wway too much and the kids out umber my wife and I now. Enter the lizards. No walking, no training, just a tank that I get to change around every few months. Some lizards are cool with being handled, some want to be left alone. But they're great to watch and interact with, on their terms. Go get a lizard.♥ 3source record 1940
My wife and I have owned a pet care business for over a decade. We have a cat for a reason.♥ 3source record 1952
Cats solve most of these problems. Plus they can be left alone for a couple of days with an automatic feeder/water♥ 4source record 1986
Can I suggest a cat? They shit in a litter box, so you won’t have to worry about stepping on it. Unless you forget where your litter box is and don’t look down much when walking. Cats have better self awareness and are agile. They don’t tend to eat random shit from my knowledge. Also they aren’t as clingy. Sometimes, they’ll even tell you to fuck off for being clingy.♥ 7source record 1988
I would never own a dog because I’m not picking up their poop everyday of my life and they are way to needy. Better to just get a cat .♥ 14source record 1990
I have a cat and a dog and the cat is way less work. Cat's are easier♥ 6source record 1992
That’s why I have a cat. Love dogs but they’re just too much work♥ 2source record 1998
A cat is the closest thing to the best cost/benefit pet♥ 3source record 2019
Every time I fall in love with a dog, my husband reminds me why we have a cat. We don’t want this type of responsibility. The cat fits our lifestyle, and we fit the cat’s lifestyle. Been going on 14 years with my sweet kitty, with the biggest challenge being he likes to attack the vet. Gotta drug him. This thread is helping me get over the mini husky I saw this morning.♥ 3source record 2021
This is why I’m a cat person. Dogs are fun to play with but you have to put so much into them just to get them to behave. To get them to give you space and just chill by you when you’re relaxing. This is default mode on a cat.♥ 5source record 2025
My coworker wanted a pet and wasn't able to choose between a dog and a cat. I asked her if she wants a baby or a roommate. She said roommate, so I said cat.♥ 2source record 2064
Yeah I love dogs but too much responsibility. The barking the pooping 🙉 have peace with my two little cats:♥ 1source record 2101
Sure, but they are so much less of a pain in the ass. I set up an automatic feeder and waterer for my cats and change the litter box once a week. A dog has to be taken outside to shit multiple times a day. The cats also don't bark or lose their minds every time somebody comes near or even into my apartment. one of my cats is 14 years old and all he ever wants is affection. The other one is 4 years old and he still likes to play♥ 1source record 2107
Haha ya, that's why its best to have a dog growing up, less responsibility for yourself so you can fully commit to your dog. A pet as an adult is the reason why I got a cat instead of another dog.♥ 2source record 2115
You've just listed about a dozen of the many, many reasons I'm a cat person. You guys should have gotten a cat. You're a cat person.♥ 2source record 2157
Try owning a cat, much easier. 😄♥ 2source record 2171
No lies detected. I think dogs are adorable, wonderful beings and we humans do not deserve them. I also don't want to own one, too much work. It's like owning a toddler for 15 years. Next time get a cat, way more chill. If you get them young enough you can even leash train them if you still want an animal you can take on walks.♥ 2source record 2183
I used to swear I was a dog person because I only grew up with them. I still love all animals and pets, but after our 14 year old family dog died, I had realized how much work it was to take care of him. Since I've almost always had a dog around growing up, I still yearned for a pet and a companion. I decided to adopt a cat this time, and it definitely worked out better because she's way less maintenance lol♥ 1source record 2194
Agreed. Dogs are SO much work. I have rabbits. They need space (they free roam in my house), but they can be litter trained, they don’t smell bad or need baths, their litter is easy to clean. Their poop is small and dry, they don’t vomit or have explosive diarrhea. They don’t need to be walked. They don’t make noise Dogs are cute when they’re not mine or licking me but they’re way too much work♥ 2source record 2207
This shit is what did it for me. Cleaning up after a cat is a breeze. No dogs in my future♥ 2source record 2220
I appreciate people who share their experiences on dogs. I really wanted a dog but after doing research and seeing posts like this, I realized that it would be too much for me so I got a cat instead, who bonded with me as a kitten and is the perfect companion when I have time but is totally fine when I have to leave him alone. I've heard some dog owners lament the fact that with a cat you have a box of shit in your house, but I have the litter box hidden and I don't see it as that different from having a container of garbage in your kitchen.♥ 2source record 2223
I always tell young girls to get a dog if you want a baby so u can get practice I have cats. They are roommates. Super easy.♥ 2source record 2226
I think it’s an unpopular opinion, so I’ll upvote you, but I 100% agree. Cats are so much easier. You do get the stink eye when you move them off you, but then you may get several hours of being ignored.♥ 2source record 2261
GET. A. CAT. Cat owner here, the difference is night and day, cats can be very clingy and playful when they’re young, but once they become adults, they basically just sit on the couch or a blanket all day and never bother you♥ 1source record 2281
I've been around dogs my entire life, it had always been a dream of mine to have a dog as part of my future plans as well. Recently we took one stray kitten that was abandoned by its mother, both of them were eating food in our house and hanging out to avoid the harsh sun(and other cats) so we just took in the kitten. We got her a litter box, she instantly went right up in it and used it perfectly. She has puked a few times(across many months) from eating stuff outside while she roams and even that is very easily cleaned. The only grievance we have with her rn is that she is in heat and she begs to go out at late hours, which she did not do before. We're already adjusting to that and she is up to be spayed soon so we expect that to be an issue no longer. Another tiny kitten just showed up at our doorstep and walked into our house. I took that kitten into my bedroom and took care of it all by myself since my mother was pre-occupied with our older kitten who prefers her company. Initially for a week or so I had to give her some antibiotics with a syringe and one more syrup, clean up her messes since she was very scared and had stomach pain often... but after she recovered from the minor issues she had, she has been a joy to be around. She has grown to be much more affectionate than I expected, follows me around and stays by my side as much as she can while also letting me lose her(keep her occupied with something else as I go do my work or run errands) if I want to. Maybe it's because they sleep most of the day or that they are generally laid back and chill, but cats just seem like my kinda pets. Especially in contrast to high energy, very loud and high maintenance dogs which I now see my friends struggling with. Since our experience has been stellar and honestly very fulfilling, we took in another tiny kitten who was abandoned by his mother nearby gladly and we're working towards making sure he grows up healthy and comfortably. I cannot imagine myself adopting or raising a dog after this experience. I've realised dogs don't fit my temperament and the commitment seems not so far removed from having babies imo(well at least babies grow up?).♥ 1source record 2286
Grew up with dogs my whole life. Australian shepherds too, so just about the most dog a dog can get. This is why we have cats now. All the fun of a dog, but a little space in between, even with 3.♥ 2source record 2311
Cats are easier and cheaper to maintain, when at home and when hiring a sitter for going on vacation♥ 2source record 2313
Try a cat next time.♥ 2source record 2316
I keep hamsters as an older adult for this reason, although the one dog I had as a younger adult was the love of my life and more like a cat than a dog. I'll never have another dog for reasons like those OP mentions. Perfect dog lightning can't possibly strike twice.♥ 1source record 2344
This is why I’m team cat. I’ve never had a dog in my entire life, I love them, but I would never have a dog after hearing stories like this and from my friends about how much effort it is. Cats are the perfect mix of clingy and aloof.♥ 1source record 2345
Agreed - And all THIS is why I am a Cat 🐈, Fish 🐟, & Gecko 🦎person. 4 Cats, 5 Fishtanks, 2 Geckos and not even CLOSE to the work, misery & stress of ONE DOG. And yes, I HAVE had dogs on 2 occasions as someone else I lived with wanted one. In both cases the dogs were happily rehomed to a much better home with people who for whatever reason were dog people.♥ 1source record 2421
I would consider myself to be a cat person. I have no problem acknowledging that dogs deserve the title “man’s best friend”. Dogs can be trained to do all sorts of extremely helpful jobs that would be impossible to train a cat to do. I also acknowledge that dogs usually have a much stronger emotional bond with their owners than cats do. I love playing with other people’s dogs and have done plenty of dog pet sitting over the years. The thing that makes me uneasy about owning a dog is the sheer intensity of dog ownership. From people I know who own dogs it seems to be an all consuming aspect of their lives. I went to visit my brother and his girlfriend a few months ago and we were severely limited on what activities we could do outside the house because she didn’t feel comfortable leaving her dog at home by itself. I have owned a cat, and it was a much more chill experience by far. I had no problem leaving my cat at home alone for a couple of days at a time, for example.♥ 2source record 2470
Dogs are great companions but they take so much effort. That's why I've had cats most of my adult life. Not as smart but equally affectionate and much more independent.♥ 1source record 2483
I've had two dogs in my life, and loved them both dearly their entire lives til they passed away. I like other people's dogs too, but I will likely never have another. I am very much so a cat person, and will always have a cat though. A cat just fits me better, and I love having them around.♥ 1source record 2487
That’s why I got a puppy cat (ragdoll). All the friendliness and silliness of a dog without the fuss.♥ 1source record 2493
Get a cat. Way less maintenance♥ 1source record 2497
I agree. It's cats forever for me. I can't deal with the clinginess and I hate cleaning up poop (which I still have to do for the cat, but that's more bearable to me because it isn't fresh).♥ 1source record 2514
Yes and this is why cats are better lol. Mostly chill & independent animals. There are exceptions though.♥ 1source record 2543
This is why I’m a cat person. They’re way less work in general and I know I don’t have the time or energy to properly care for a dog.♥ 1source record 2548
I think what you wanted was a cat. Poops in only one place, independent af, suspicious of most things, will hunt dodge items and bring them back vs eating them. Still expensive at the vet, but cheaper than a dog overall. Sleeps most of the day. (will stomp on your face at 3am, or will sit by your head and guard you from nightmares) But yeah.♥ 2source record 2647
This tracks. I've never owned a dog because I saw how much work they are while growing up. I much prefer cats. Currently, I only have my son's fish tank to take care of while he is college. I want to get guinea pigs but hate the hassle of getting pet sitters. I am lazy.♥ 2source record 2652
Cats are so underrated in my opinion. They do all the fun stuff a dog does - snuggle you when watching a movie, play (my cats play fetch better than my dog), etc but they are so much less needy. If Im gone for a day I just leave extra food and water. Rainy day? Who cares my cats use a litter box inside and never have to inform me of when they need to poop whereas I have to be an active participant in all my dog’s toileting (taking her out, cleaning it up, etc). I have to get my dog groomed, my cats take care of that themselves. I had to train my puppy not to eat other dog’s poop, remove shoes from her vicinity…my cats look at her like shes a suicidal idiot they are embarrassed to be associated with. I LOVE my dog and Im glad I have her but the work and responsibility is really at a level Im not sure non-dog owners realize.♥ 1source record 2695
This is why my pets are plants.♥ 1source record 2698
I've got six cats and it's less responsibility and easier to go out of town for me than it is for my friends with one dog. I love dogs, but I would never even consider having one of my own.♥ 1source record 2700
I love dogs, but agreed, owning one sucks. Its funny because I used to think of myself as a dog person, until I owned a cat. Dogs are so cool, they can be so smart and useful. As for ease of care, and just wanting a fluffy cuddle buddy cats are where its at♥ 1source record 2720
Cat better. Honestly though, I like dogs but the maintenance is too much. Cats have like half the work, and you are clingy to them never the other way around. ![gif](giphy|MoETJ6WQUrqmi9lQJW)♥ 1source record 2722
Yep. Going from dog owner to cat owner was such a relief, even when my cats are inside only, cleaning a litter box is childplay compared to keeping the whole yard clean, since my dog wouldn't like pooping on walks (lol)♥ 1source record 2726
Get a cat. They willing ignore you.♥ 0source record 2730
I politely disagree. They aren’t exhausting like a dog. I have owned both and cats are more Independent. Unless you think OP is just a bad pet owner?♥ 4source record 2735
Love dogs but too much work for me. I have two cats. You can fill the bowl up and leave for a couple days and they’ll be ok.♥ 1source record 2740
I never grew up with a dog so the very first thing I did when I got my own place was get a dog. He was a good boy and I loved him but boy, did I see why my mom wouldn’t have a dog! Now, I have 2 cats and don’t think I’ll ever go back to a dog despite how fun and sweet they are.♥ 1source record 2749
I hear you. I don't hate dogs, but there's a reason I prefer cats over dogs. Cats are loyal, unlike what people say. They will follow you around and all that, but the thing with a cat is they also need alone time. Cats can also take care of themselves for the most part. Yeah, they need food, but for the most part, give them a big bowl of water and a big bowl of food. Have a litter box and you're good to go. You can't just leave dogs and go out of town. Cats you can. While a cat will get lonely and sometimes they get into a depression when you leave, most of the time they figure it out. Unless your willing to be a full time dog dad or mom. Don't get a dog cause dogs need attention. Or mabey get a dog that fits your family. If you dont have a back yard dont get a husky.♥ 1source record 2770
for real, dogs are awesome but thanks to my GF, now I love cats, I will never go back to owning a dog, I'm a cat supremacy now♥ 1source record 2782
Cats are lowkey the wave. Dogs are cute…… but annoying and needy LOL♥ 1source record 2812
When I first adopted my cat, she changed my whole perspective on having dogs. I loved my doggies too, but this time, I’m waiting to have EVERYTHING set & ready for whenever I get my rott. I WILL have a Rottweiler, I swear on that !!!!!♥ 1source record 2844
This is why cats are supreme. Owning a dog sounds like a bloody nightmare. Annoying as hell for any busy adult who didn’t grow up with a dog.♥ 1source record 2882
I had dogs as a kid. I watched them get old, sick, and die. Once they were gone it’s like a switch flipped in my brain and made me dislike dogs. Anyways I have a turtle now and it’s nice bc she is completely quiet, not clingy (wants nothing to do with me), and I can leave her alone for a week with her auto feeder rather than getting a kennel.♥ 1source record 2938
Why you go ez mode and get a cat if you really want a pet.♥ 1source record 2941
I love dogs but they are far too dependent. I have a beautiful cat who I am in love with and he is a big responsibility, but it’s more fun. He’s able to go to the bathroom without me, he doesn’t make a lot of noise, and just in general I think the relationship between humans and cats are very special. As long as dogs are *very* well trained, I don’t mind being around them but there are far too many people who fail to train and care for their dogs.♥ 1source record 2963
Owning (er, being owned by) my rescue cat has been a breeze by comparison. She’s good company. I enjoy dogs but I appreciate being able to give them back to their owners after a visit.♥ 1source record 2964
Yeah, it’s the clingyness I don’t like (that’s what many people love..)I’m a cat man. A cat has its own life. After zoning out into bliss for an hour, on your lap, a cat says, “Wow, thanks man, but I see a patch of sunlight with my name on it.” Dogs are full time about you. As a matter of taste, I prefer the independence of a cat.♥ 2source record 2985
Yup, I always felt dogs need too much from us humans. I am therefor a cat person. My Mimi will sit in her nappy spot for several hours and either i come to her for short snuggles or she comes to me. She's super territorial so a second cat in the relatively small appartment will not work well. She owns the hallway already and no other cat dares to enter the hallway lol♥ 1source record 2987
Dogs are similar to owning parrots, smart enough to do something dumb, always have to watch them, and both require high maintenance and training. It's like having a perpetual 2 year old lol. I've owned both and worked with dogs for 5 years too. It's why I get kitties, much less maintenance when busy imo.♥ 1source record 2996
I love dogs and will pet and play with every one I can that I encounter. But I'll never own one. Way too high maintenance. I'll take my lazy ass cats to match my lazy ass vibes.♥ 1source record 3000
cat is much much easier to maintain and they have far better boundary than dogs. And cat also has great self cleaning capabilities♥ 1source record 3003
That’s why I won’t own one. Cat superiority. They shit in a box and in my experience the attention they need/want is short lived.♥ 1source record 3005
You would be better off with a cat, and maybe not that. Good thing the wife and grandmother are around. Hey, some people just arent dog people, and thats fine. At least you are honest about it.♥ 1source record 3006
IMO after owning dogs most my life I'd say if your not ready to be around your dog basically 24/7 get a cat.♥ 1source record 3023
Sounds like you needed a cat they're not high maintenance♥ 1source record 3046
I love other peoples dogs but prefer my cat. He is chill and with auto litter box my only job is to fund him, pet him, brush him and cuddle him.♥ 1source record 3050
Cats, I love dogs too, but unless they are potty trained and small, there is just no hope for me to really own one. Dogs also require a lot of space to move around and play. If you don’t have it, it also adds to their personality.♥ 1source record 3066
I have 2 KitKats and they are the absolute best 🥰 So goofy & cuddly, don’t need to walk them or police their peeing & pooping. Kitty health insurance is much more affordable & better coverage. I love dogs, but am 💯 a cat person. A few years ago I had myself convinced I wanted a dog, and in hindsight I’m so glad I never actually took action on that urge! 😅♥ 2source record 3081
I love dogs. But the reasons you state are why I have cats. Yes, people complain about them shitting inside the house but it is in a box that is scooped daily. Dog owners usually are picking up shit in their hand with the thinnest layer of plastic because the environment or whatever.♥ 1source record 3084
I'm a cat person for sure, had a few family dogs but ya I think a dog is a pet for certain types of people/personalities. They're a lot of work, and pee pee time can screw up your sleep schedule.♥ 1source record 3091
Growing up I loved both dogs and cats and figured I would always have both. Now that I’m older I’ve started to realize that I’m not really a dog person anymore and have become a complete cat person. There’s nothing a cat can’t give me that a dog can. They’re friendly but not overbearing. They’re lower maintenance so I don’t have to worry about walking them or entertaining them. Oh yeah, and it was easy to teach them to not scratch up my furniture whereas a dog will immediately get into shit the moment you leave them unsupervised. I have occasionally watched my friend’s terrier when he’s out of town and it’s like having a psychotic toddler tearing through my house. The dog is cute but I sigh in relief once he comes to pick her up. I currently have a small dog who is now old and I thought to myself, once she passes why would I get another dog when I could just get another cat instead?♥ 1source record 3110
Having a dog is like having a special-needs child who is never going to grow up. Some people enjoy that level of responsibility, but not me. This is literally why I have cats. Admittedly, they're sociopaths, but they can take care of themselves. If I want to go somewhere for a day or two, I put out extra food and water, and clean litter, and I'm on my way. Can't do that with a dog.♥ 1source record 3124
Dogs are sweet but yep, I never want one. They smell, the hair, they’re constantly around…nope. My kid has a hamster and I spoil the fuck out it, it’s very cute and easy.♥ 1source record 3128
Get a cat - instinct to bury their poop, generally more aloof and standoffish though you may get one that is clingy♥ 1source record 3133
If it's any consolation, you are a good dog owner. You feel frustrated but never considered agression or abandonment. You are a good person. But get a cat next time (and keep it indoor please).♥ 1source record 3174
Its true. Love dogs, but my god they need alot. Cats on the other hand are perfect. They're basically born looking for a litter box, they are self cleaning, in my experience they dont really get sick, and they mostly nap and look for treats.♥ 1source record 3193
Exactly why i have a cat lol. A good dog owner has to put in work I am not willing to put in♥ 1source record 3202
These are some of the exact reasons I am a cat person and will always be one. I love dogs but I'd never want to own one myself.♥ 1source record 3212
My wife's dog was exceptionally sweet and well behaved. Just a fantastic little dog. Wasn't a yapper either. But after her dog passed, she decided no more dogs. She doesn't like the heat or the cold and not having to walk a dog in those conditions or rain/snow was a huge factor. She'd never really been around cats until we got together and she's decided cats are so much easier. No need to walk them, they have no desire to go anywhere in the car, they shit in a box that we clean daily, they eat less so food is less expensive. Potential vet bills are probably a toss up between cats and dogs. We both like dogs but we'll like other people's dogs.♥ 1source record 3215
Had the best dog growing up- border collie german shepherd mix. Intelligent, loving, well behaved, protective when necesary but friendly with everyone. I know I'm not alone but there ain't no damn way I would ever be able to find a diamond like that even if I trained the dog exactly like my father had. Cat lady here and while cats have their cons they are much easier imo to take care of and raise.♥ 1source record 3253
Man, I have a cat and was thinking “I’m going to get a dog now…” and then I thought about all of the additional responsibilities that come along with a dog, so now I have two cats.♥ 1source record 3269
Thats why I've always loved cats as pets. Had them both amd cats are, in my opinion, less of a responsibility and more independent♥ 1source record 3289
I dated a woman who was partially blind and had a guide dog. Even dealing with that dog who had tens of thousands of dollars of training was exhausting. Never could’ve handled it if it hadn’t had the training. This is why I’m a cat person.♥ 1source record 3297
This is EXACTLY why im a cat man. Love dogs, theyre cute creatures. But having an animal with some level of independence is great♥ 1source record 3309
Yeah, that's why I will never own a dog. I don't mind dogs but I don't want to take care of a toddler for at most 18 years. They cost more then my own children, they need bathing, walking 4-5x a day, the dog smell is gross, the whole anal gland thing... I could go on. I'll forever be a cat person.♥ 1source record 3312
My guy, you need a cat. Much more independent, poop in the same easy to clean spot, and generally pretty intelligent about keeping themselves alive.♥ 1source record 3364
This is why I have 2 cats. Not 1 cat. Not a dog. 2 cats. Husband and I have left for multiple days (I think 4 was the max) and you know what we had to do with the cats? Nothing. I set up extra food bowls and water bowls and left the tv on and curtains open. We have video cameras and a treat dispenser with a camera attached. So we could constantly see them. We foolishly asked our neighbors to go over. They did. But the cats instantly hid. So the neighbors going over was a fruitless cause. We already have childproof locks on our stove so they can’t accidentally turn the stove on. Our windows don’t open (high rise apartment). When they get bored they just play with each other like they do when we’re here. It’s great. I do have to scoop litter daily but I don’t have to walk my cats in the snow or rain. Though I’m pretty sure Bart would love both.♥ 1source record 3373
This is why I have 3 cats. 4 month old, 2 year old, and a 9 year old. Still substantially less work than 1 dog.♥ 1source record 3383
This is why I absolutely love dogs, but I'll never ever have one. The clinging, the high maintenance, the intrusion, managing bodily functions. I've had multiple cats and they were all so much less work. Cats can be clingy and need attention and care too, of course, but for the most part they're like little roommates. They want to hang out sometimes but most of the time they do their own thing.♥ 1source record 3403
I never had a dog but my SO is quite keen, the only thing holding us back is the responsibility. We have two cats and even though they are our responsibility, it is more akin to a needy roommate than a child in terms of care.♥ 1source record 3415
I have 2 cats and they are awesome. Although the one of them doesn’t stfu and wakes me up at 3:30am with her meowing. Regardless of this I wouldn’t have it any other way. Could never own a dog and have to walk it and pickup their shit on the street. I was walking an elderly sick ladies dog 2 summers ago and walking a dog is so stressful. That dog’s owner passed away and I pray he’s in a good home now. Sweet little thing he was.♥ 1source record 3432
Agreed. Dogs are expensive and so much work. They are extremely needy, they’re dirty, messy.. I grew up with a dog but now I’ll only ever have a cat, if any pets.♥ 1source record 3433
Yeah. And they demand like 5 times more than a cat I think.♥ 1source record 3434
I think A LOT of dog owners would do better with a cat but they just like the idea of a dog better. Few people have enough extra time, energy, and attention to give a dog, so you have endless streams of unhappy pups trying their best in an undersized living space with insufficient exercise and crazy anxiety. Find a friendly cat at the shelter, get an automatic litter box and automatic food/water dish, and you're good to go. Get one that doesn't have long fur and it's even simpler. All the cuddles and playing of a pet, none of the yard full of dog shit and endless anxiety barking and 3 am walks in the snow and expensive boarding on vacation and blah blah.♥ 1source record 3450
I grew up around dogs and owned one up until my 30s. Then i got a cat. That’s when i realized i wasn’t actually a dog person 🤣i am definitely a cat person. They clean themselves♥ 1source record 3451
That's why I prefer cats. I've had a cat for most of my life with zero issues. Dogs are just too much for me. I like that if I want to have a lazy day, my cat is more than fine with cuddling up next to me and chilling. Dogs will probably be yapping and jumping to be let outside 😭 Also the fact that anything can set a dog off. Especially other dogs, just sounds like a nightmare. And the fact that one day they can just suddenly get aggressive for no reason.... No thanks♥ 1source record 3455
Get a cat. They are so much easier.♥ 1source record 3463
Meanwhile you can literally put out food, water, and a liter box and leave a perfectly calm cat for a long weekend lol♥ 1source record 3484
Yeah, I prefer cats and reptiles. So much more chill and easier to care for 😌♥ 1source record 3497
I was a dog guy till I married my wife and she moved in with her cat. My God cats are so easy compared to dogs. It's so nice not having to clean the poop out of the yard and do walks in the rain. Best part is we can easily go away on vacations compared to when I had dogs♥ 1source record 3521
" First off, the shitting." Was all i needed to read. 😆 nice with my cat and their litterbox♥ 1source record 3539
I own over 25 reptiles (snakes, lizards, frogs, ect.) and people are always so flabbergasted by how much work and responsibility that must be and they are shocked when i tell them all my reptiles together are less expensive and demanding than my one single derpy maltipoo.♥ 1source record 3547
It’s also that you can’t leave them as easily as you can leave, say, cats. With cats you can just have someone stop in to feed them and scoop litter boxes. With dogs, no way. I enjoy other people’s dogs, but would never have my own.♥ 1source record 3560
Not a dog but a couple i know adopted a cat awhile ago, lil shit racked up literally thousands in vet bills in its first year, some weird allergies shit that remove 98% of its diet and can only eat very specific brand, which is also hella expensive, like 3x normal iirc and the nearest, only special vet is like 300 miles away. They love it to bits tho, hell even i love it, very affectionate cat, but holy damn. Thankfully they kinda got it sorted out so it doesnt cost as much nowadays but damn...♥ 1source record 3589
Cat Easy life♥ 1source record 3600
Dogs can be great, but cats are criminally underrated. Only annoying part is changing the box, but they have automatic litter boxes now/easier ways to scoop nowadays♥ 1source record 3602
Wife and I really wanted a dog. We sat down and prevented any impulse acquisition. We look at how many holidays we take each year, we looked at how many days each holiday takes us abroad on average. We looked at cost of insurance, space needs, walking needs. We over analysed everything. We settled for a cat instead. We add, on average, 150 of the finest, hardest earned british pounds to each holiday for cat needs coverage. A couple of friends, instead, didn't think about it much and got a do, shiba inu. He bit through their expensive kitchen table, clawed most of the furniture. Furthermore they add an average of 400-500 gbp to each holiday for the dog to be taken care of. 4 holidays a year and you spent enough extra on "keep the dog alive while we are away" to have a 5th holiday. Plus have to replace the furniture. We got a cat instead, owning a cat sucks way less.♥ 1source record 3613
Yup. I don’t like getting pummeled walking in the door, or dealing with shit. Although- I do LOVE having a furry, loving family member, so, I’m a cat guy.♥ 1source record 3621
I love this conversation! My husband and I grew up with dogs and live in the Midwest and the societal pressure to get a dog is weirdly cult like. Instead we have cats. We adore them and we really appreciate how much easier they are to care for than dogs.♥ 1source record 3646
That’s why my mom gave me the family dog when I graduated college to care for to teach me the responsibilities and burdens of children. I did my best with him but overall couldn’t keep him around (wasn’t my fault had issues with a misunderstanding about dogs allowed with my housemates). But man was it a burden and expensive. Later when I decided I wanted another pet, I got a cat. I love cats too grew up with them but definitely lot less responsibility for the current lifestyle I have.♥ 1source record 3649
Yup 10000% a cat person here for all those reasons and more. #1 being the dog smell I can’t do it and #2 the barking is too much for me. #3 absolutely dog poop no way. Cat Box is gross but at least I don’t have to worry about stepping on it♥ 1source record 3656
I like the idea of owning a dog but I know I’ll actually hate it, I’ll stick with my cat, he’s just enough of a brat for me♥ 1source record 3726
Get a cat instead, as long as they have a safe outside area and you give them a bit of play and attention they'll live alongside you and not demand your undivided attention (unless you get an annoyingly social and vocal pure breed like a Devon Rex, Siamese, Abyssinian, or Bengal). I grew up with dogs my whole life, love them to bits, but some days I want to go out for 8-10hrs and not have to worry about a pets needs (food, toilet, walks). I've owned 3 cats now and they do their own thing, still come over for snuggles, play fetch, learn tricks, and then sit nearby while you get on with your life. Smaller, cheaper, less stress, less insurance, less bother. If you want a pet that still has personality, social awareness and interacts with you, then this cats address all your negatives with dogs.♥ 1source record 3878
Come join the cat club… they shed a fuck ton and like to claw shit and throw up hairballs… but much more chill and use litter boxes.♥ 1source record 3882
Yeah, I got a cat instead. She is basically like a dog in many ways but without the down sides. She loves to play chase and fetch, is incredibly affectionate. Constantly entertaining us. But also happy to do her own thing most of the time. Always shits in the box we provide her, and always covers it after to reduce any smell. Even when we go on holidays with her, we take out a portable box, put some kitty litter on it, and she’s like “yep, got it, I’ll shit there for the week”. No barking, no walks, can leave her in the house when we’re gone and not worry. It is insane the difference. My friends who are not into kids have dogs instead. To me they seem the same, if not more work than a kid.♥ 1source record 3919
You may be a cat person instead. I don’t think dogs sucks. However, they are more needy than cats in the sense that you do need to take them out to poop, go on walks, play, and everything else you listed. My cats are older so they don’t need to play as much. They only need a clean litter box. They don’t like being pet as much as my other cat who just passed away.♥ 1source record 3929
Yep. Dogs suck. Snakes are pretty awesome though. They don’t care about you, aren’t noisy, need almost nothing and don’t pee or poop everywhere.♥ 1source record 3941
I'm an Animal Control Officer. I love dogs and obviously work with them every single day. My only pets are cats.♥ 1source record 3950
That’s why you get a cat. Preferably a Burmese. Then you basically have a dog that is a cat♥ 1source record 3974
Yeah I know… after owning a dog for 12 years and cat for 3… cats are much easier. I love my dog so damn much, and it’ll kill me when its his time to go. However, I don’t think I will have another dog♥ 1source record 3978
And this is why I remind myself that I'm very happy with my cat, whenever I get an inkling that a dog could be fun. They're fun at my friend's houses. Not mine. Y'all enjoy, though!♥ 1source record 4005
Cats! Cats piss and shit by themselves in their own box and cover it up, they usually aren't clingy deciding themselves if and when they want contact or affection, and they don't constantly try to kill themselves by swallowing anything they come across.♥ 1source record 4012
I felt this way once my dog died. I had dogs the first 42 years of life and wanted out after him. I got 2 Siberian cats that are super sweet and doglike a year ago and I couldn’t be happier. And I make sure not to have weird smelly poop by feeding raw. Cat club is the best club.♥ 1source record 4050
No lies detected. I think dogs are adorable, wonderful beings and we humans do not deserve them. I also don't want to own one, too much work. It's like owning a toddler for 15 years. Next time get a cat, way more chill. If you get them young enough you can even leash train them if you still want an animal you can take on walks.♥ 1source record 4083
Thats why you just get a cat lol. Will love you on their terms, not yours. Not super clingy but not cold and distant. Understands how to shit properly, hell you can even train them to use a human toilet. Whats not to love.♥ 1source record 4108
This is why a medium to high quality cat is superior than a dirty dog that is untrained♥ 1source record 4109
As a former cat owner and now a dog owner, ugh... yeah... Cat shits/pisses in a robotic self cleaning box in a closet or bathroom, you change and throw out with the trash regularly. A dog requires a fenced in yard or the constant attention you would give a 1year old in diapers, for 10 to 20 years! The cat rides the roomba, the dog destroys it on sight. The cat can be picked up and chucked across the room run back and get excited asking to do it again. A dog feels like you'll break its rips if you hold it wrong. Even more so than a human baby. A dog smells sorta like dog. A cat smells like clean laundry. You put the dog in the crate nightly to protect everyone including itself. You put the cat in the crate only for transport. An upset dog will hospitalize you, an upset cat is an annoyance fixed with a bandaid. Love from a dog will require you shower from the fluids. Love from a cat requires a lint brush. A dog loves you into being a better more active and social person. A cat parents you aggressively to learn to love yourself. Both will love you and outcomes are what you put into them, but honestly to God one takes 10x energy and money.♥ 1source record 4127
I always wanted a dog growing up but my parents wouldn’t allow it. Years later when I moved in with my first long-term boyfriend, he convinced me to get a cat because “dogs sucked”. We ended up with 2. I loved them both dearly but still longed for a dog. When we broke up, I took my boy kitty with me. Unfortunately, he only lived to 7 due to kidney disease. Anyway, my next long-term bf (now husband) grew up with and loved dogs so after we moved in together, I finally got my dog… She was the sweetest, most loving, and loyal dog but turns out dogs are way more work than I ever imagined. Especially when they get older and start falling apart. She was a pretty big dog, about 85lbs, so when she decided she was done with her walk (often mid-walk), it was a nightmare trying to get her back in the house. I felt so bad because it wasn’t her fault- she was old with bad hips and arthritis but she needed to at least get some exercise and she also needed to poop. We lost her to cancer about a year ago. I was so heartbroken but also relieved that the daily struggle to care for an elderly dog was over. It used to piss me off that my ex hated dogs so much but honestly, he was kinda right - they do kind of suck in ways I didn’t expect. So then my husband and I got a cat recently and honestly, after now having both - cats are far superior pets. The best part is that you don’t have to basically hold their hand every time they have to poop and pee. They just do their business when they need to. My dog didn’t want to even do her business in the privacy of our backyard without me watching and that’s just too much for me lol ETA: also, dogs eat poop.♥ 1source record 4134
And this is why I love cats. Feed them and pet them, responsibility done. Provided they are outdoor cats or else you have to make sure they have constant stimulation♥ 1source record 4145
I have a cat. Dude is chilling and sleeping all day. Barely wants attention. It's also a responsibility of course so don't have one if you don't want to but it's very different from a dog♥ 1source record 4146
I couldn't agree more with this post. Had a husky/shepherd mix growing up, and she was a lovely dog, but the daily care requirements were admittedely a lot. This post summarizes many thoughts I've also had about dog ownership. Sincerely, Me...with my 5 cats...lol♥ 0source record 4176
I love dogs. I had 4 of them at the same time when I was growing up. I have owned zero dogs as an adult. I have 3 cats right now. Cats are SO MUCH EASIER.♥ 1source record 4254
I've loved and owned dogs my entire life and spent years grooming and training them, and it's coming from a place of love when I say that most pet dog owners would probably be a lot happier with a cat.♥ 1source record 4278
From a person who had both dogs and cats, cats are easier.♥ 1source record 4287
This is why we got a cat. Girlfriend wanted a dog as well as a cat but I can't deal with extra needy, she's already enough :)♥ 1source record 4300
I love dogs, but wouldnt want to own one. We have cats and that's just easier♥ 1source record 4301
And this is why I have a cat. I do love dogs, but I know the responsibility and how pricey they can be. I figured if I ever decide to get one again, it’ll have to be after I retire. I’m not home often. Even then, who knows 🤷‍♀️ probably just going to have a cat or 2 for the rest of my life.♥ 1source record 4312
Yup, you don't have to deal with any of this shit with cats.♥ -3source record 4335
I love that my pet poops in a box. Cats are the easiest pets I’ve ever owned♥ 1source record 4382
I always say owning a dog is like having a toddler for 10+ years. I've had many dogs and cats in my lifetime and I'm firmly a cat-girlie because they are so low maintenance. I will never have a dog again.♥ 1source record 4446
i had dogs growing up and adored them, but now that i’m an adult and have cats i will never go back. so many of my friends are so restricted by dog ownership and have to center their dog so much. my only gripe is you can’t really take most cats with you so you sometimes feel guilty, but they’re happy at home for someone to drop in and hang w them when we’re gone.♥ 1source record 4452
Should’ve got a cat. They’re chill like stoner housemates.♥ 1source record 4472
I loved my dog as a kid. I am never getting a dog as an adult, and especially not by myself. My cats are needy enough without having to walk them twice a day, every day.♥ 1source record 4478
That’s why I went and got cats…. Which comes with its own headaches. But a they’re a bit more independent and less shit to clean up♥ 1source record 4479
I spent the majority of my life as a dog person, always owning at least one. I specialized in dogs for 15 years of my career in rescue and vet med. Then I took a break after euthanizing my soul dog for a few years as well as took a position which offered me a major promotion but forced me to start learning more about cats and specializing in them. I started to realize the amount of freedom I suddenly had. I missed my Larry like a limb, but I didn't have to worry about rushing home from work to let him out. I didn't have to budget in an hour walk twice a day. I no longer needed to think of ways to exercise his body and mind, which often required my direct involvement. I could go away for a weekend without having to find someone willing to stay at my house. At work I started to learn that cats are far more complex and interesting animals than I had ever given them credit for. Their trust and eventually love harder to earn. Their enrichment and exercise needs are just as much as dogs, but could be done with less direct involvement. They need less training, and less active attention. They have all the same needs and rewards as dogs, but they can often be met with much less well work. A dog needs to be exercised, mentally and physically, daily in order to be left alone during a normal 8 hour work shift. Or at least should be, a mentally and physically tired dog is a happy dog. Are there exceptions to this rule, of course, but 90% of the behavioral issues i have seen over a 20 year career are a direct result of bored dogs with too much energy. A cat on the other hand can be mentally stimulated by independent enrichment such as puzzle feeders, scent stimulus such as cinnamon in a paper bag, hiding treats or toys around the house while you're gone or interactive toys. All of which can be done quickly and given as enrichment without you being present. Cat's exercise needs are much different as well. They still need exercise, but again unlike a dog you don't have to be directly involved. A dog needs walks, runs, games of fetch, swimming, and other activities you have to do with them. A cat on the other hand can get plenty of physical activity from interactive toys (ones that move around, triggering hunting behavior and causing the cat to chase and pounce), cat trees or various climbing equipment (that gives them the chance to climb, stretch, scratch and even run), all things you don't need to be actively doing WITH them, or not even around at all. These things will take care of 95% of their physical and mental needs, meaning you only need to supplement a small amount of your own time seeing to these needs by playing fetch (yes, lots of cats enjoy playing fetch), wand toys, laser pointers (always ensure you end with your cat "catching" the light, this is easily accomplishment by ending the session by pointing the light on a piece of food or a toy the cat can catch. Otherwise, it can cause obsessive tendencies and frustration from never getting the reward of catching the prey. Sometimes causing severe stress and behavioral problems.), or even wrestling with you. Cats often do best in pairs, and with a playmate the need for you to devote time to exercise and mental stimulation is even less. Meaning the time you spend with your cat is more focused on affection and companionship than dogs who quite frankly take more work before you can focus on those things. Cats need some training (scratching in appropriate surfaces, not climbing on things you don't want them on, leash training if you want and can actually be trained to do tricks) but generally speaking you don't need to teach them manners, housebreak (cats are born using a litter box as it's their natural instinct to bury their waste) or basic obedience like you do a dog. Socialization is not as vital for cats as it is for dogs either, beyond with family members obviously and being comfortable visiting the veterinarian as most cats don't socialize with the greater world to the same extent as dogs. You don't have to take them outside multiple times a day (being outside is the most dangerous thing for a domestic cat, even if you think they only stay in your yard and always come home. Cars, other animals, diseases, injuries, and sadly people cause most of the injuries and illnesses we see in cats at the clinic. Not to mention the environmental catastrophe that domestic cats cause on local wildlife. Even a well fed cat will hunt and they have been the direct cause of a few other animals being endangered or even extinct. I promise that you can EASILY exercise and enrich your cat safely in your home with very little time, money and effort. There's no humane reason to ever let them outside without a leash or in an enclosure if you really must let them outside). I became a crazy cat lady, who while still adore dogs, found that cats fulfilled my need for companionship with a fraction of the work. They generally speaking are just as loyal, affectionate and smart as dogs. Veterinary bills tend to be lower due to needing fewer vaccines (generally speaking just 3, FVRCP, FeLV which is optional if your cat never goes outside or interacts with unknown cats, and Rabies. The FVRCP and Rabies have both been approved to become 3 year vaccines as well, although you still need to bring them for an annual exam not only to ensure they're healthy but also to keep the doctor/patient relationship active in case of injury or illness), can have fewer health issues (yes, males often get bladder stones or urinary blockages which can be fatal. They also prone to kidney disease, but often not until the senior years. Diabetes and other diseases we commonly see are often weight related and can easily be avoided by ensuring your cat gets some form of exercise daily and meal feeding instead of free feeding), and prevenatives are cheaper (indoor only cats still need flea, tick and heartworm prevention as they can easily travel into your home in various ways, as well as dewormed at least 3 times a year for the same reason. My NexGard Combo cost me $30 a month and does all that by applying the drops once a month). I can easily spend a weekend away and just have someone stop by to feed, water and scoop the litter box. Which is much easier to find someone willing to do. All their waste goes in a box instead of all over the yard. Overall I have found that cats, while still complex creatures who need daily care and energy, need a fraction of what dogs do. Meaning the time you spend with them is quality affection and companionship. It's a myth that cats aren't as affectionate as dogs, my cat is often MORE affectionate and wants to spend more time with me than even my soul dog who traveled everywhere with me. It comes from the fact that cats make you earn their trust and affection usually instead of freely giving it as dogs often do. That's one of the reasons I find rescuing adult cats so rewarding, but if you are looking for an easier bond, get a kitten. Just be aware that a baby is going to need 10x the work as an adult until they grow up. It's often recommended to adopt 2 kittens at the same time. This way they have a playmate who helps dramatically with the exercise and mental stimulation needs until they level off with maturity. All this is a long winded way of agreeing with you, but offering an alternative to others that feel the way we do but still crave the companionship.♥ 1source record 4483
Get a cat. Much , much easier♥ 1source record 4486
I'm so good with peoples dogs and love their energy, but will never have my own. I can't stand how yappy they can be and judge people who do not put in the time and effort to train them. My cats are the best and are great mousers. It always feels co dependant, cant say the same for dogs♥ 1source record 4526
agree. Had a dog growing up and have no desire to have one as an adult. Wife and I like to travel and our cats dont seem to mind but our friend with 2 large dogs basically has toddlers.♥ 1source record 4527
I felt the same when I got a rabbit. Properly looking after one, as in not just throwing it in a cage, is so difficult. Rabbit proof the whole house, hide all cables, say goodbye to your pristine wooden furniture, everything will always kind of smell, the amount of dust from the hay, the little poops everywhere (which were actually the easiest part). Also, so clingy but also really bitchy. I loved her to bits. But after she passed away, I just said never again.♥ 1source record 4528
This is why I prefer cats. Dogs are adorable and amazing creatures. But I’m not about that energy. It’s like living with a drunk toddler.♥ 1source record 4569
This is why I own cats. I'm not cut out for dog ownership. There's a reason why I don't have any children.♥ 1source record 4610
This is why cats are superior. They shit in the same spot every time that's easy to clean. Most of the time they leave you the fuck alone. I've never been at a friend's and said "sorry, gotta go home so my cat doesn't shit on the floor." Gonna be gone for a few days? Fill up a bigger bowl for food and water. Half the time it's like you don't even have a pet.♥ 1source record 4612
That’s why I have cats lol even 3 of them aren’t as stressful as one dog♥ 1source record 4649
I grew up with dogs. And have had dogs of my own for the last 17 years. I got a cat 8 months ago and then another cat a few months after that. I have realized I am a cat person. I still love my dogs, but good lord, they're big, loud, annoying, barf a lot, etc. My cats don't bother me at all.♥ 1source record 4655
I share your sentiments exactly. I love dogs too and often mind my parents' Alaskan Malamute but I couldn't have a dog of my own. Just too much responsibility. I understand why people get cats instead as they're more independent and less needy than dogs. I really like cats too so will probably get one soon.♥ 1source record 4667
This is why I own 4 cats and no dogs. The worst issue is my boy who poops his fluffy pantaloons every so often, but at least I can shave his fur and he’ll clean himself.♥ 1source record 4678
Honestly, you may prefer a cat in the future. They can be clingy, but there are hours where they just go off to nap by themselves. It feels more like a companion to me than a dog does. I love dogs, from a distance. I love interacting with them when they are not my pet. But i grew up with them and will never have one again.♥ 1source record 4681
This is true for most pets , i raised birds (chicken, budgies and yellow vented bulbuls ) and while they wete cute , feeding them and cleaning the cages required alot of time and effort , eventually i sold them off♥ 1source record 4702
Get a cat. Solves all the issues you mention.♥ 1source record 4712
Had dogs all my life. My last dog is still my phone’s lock screen and she passed back in 2019. Got my first ever cat in 2023, don’t think I can ever go back to getting a dog. She cuddles in bed with me, has to be within 3ft of me, greets me at the door when I get home from work, and ran for help when I suffered a patellar dislocation while I was up on a ladder. All things I’d expect a dog to do, except that she doesn’t need to go on walks and only needs company to eat, so I can go on vacation as long as my buddy is available to stop by every day after work (my place is on the way to his home) and sit with her watching tv for an hour or two. Even my leopard gecko can go up to two months without my direct involvement thanks to the setup i put together♥ 1source record 4723
Get a cat. They shit in a box and sleep all day.♥ 1source record 4724
This is why i have INDOOR cats. Little gems love to cuddle make very little noise easy to look after just scoop litter and feed they do their own thing most of the time. Also its much easier to get people to come stay and look after them while I’m away.♥ 1source record 4736
I'm not a dog person. They are too damn needy. Give me a, holier than thou, cat any day.♥ 1source record 4745
Get a cat…. They poop in a box.♥ 1source record 4774
I love other people's dogs, but I'll stick to cat ownership. They practically care for themselves as long as I keep the litter, food, and water stocked abd give them attention when they want it.♥ 1source record 4775
Cats are indifferent to the other parties feelings, they get affection on their schedule♥ 1source record 4777
This is why I have cats. Easier to take a vacation as well, easier to have someone take care of cats. I like dogs. But I like YOUR dogs. I like to pat them and then have someone else take care of them. But OP, yer doomed bud, the dog people are a cult and they are going to destroy you.♥ 1source record 4784
Cats ftw. They shit in a box and you never open up the news and read about how someone got mauled to death by the dangerous breed family cat♥ 1source record 4809
I was a dog guy for over 40 years, now I love my easy breezy snuggly cats.♥ 1source record 4833
I’m a dog groomer and from owning my own plus working with them everyday, i realized how much more of a cat person I am. My dog is a small breed who only has short bursts of energy but she still is needy as hell. I find myself guilty at how i don’t want to deal with her sometimes. My cat? He rarely irritates me.♥ 1source record 4863
I have cats. Cats are great. They don’t bark, they’re affectionate but not clingy, they poop in a box, they don’t care when you leave the house, don’t drool on you, don’t scrabble across the floor with their claws… I really like dogs but I’ve never gotten one because good lord they seem like so much work.♥ 1source record 4967
Then you watch people get parrots which aren’t domesticated, even more dependent, and live at least 20 to 30 years (even small birds live long unless you end up killing them) I love birds, but I don’t see myself ever owning a parrot♥ 1source record 5040
I agree with this! I love my cat, and she’s very easy.♥ 6source record 5075
Cool. We like what we like. I’d rather do those activities with a person and chill out with a cat. I also feel like their personalities are more nuanced, and they’re much more independent.♥ 2source record 5077
I agree, dogs do help spark social interactions and it’s generally much easier to take them places. However, some cats are just as sociable and adventurous! I have a ragdoll that is more dog-like than my dog ever was lol he even plays fetch! People geek out when they see him. Our dog was cute but not ragdoll cute. No one ever randomly shouted “your dog is gorgeous!” Lol. We take him out on a leash with his backpack carrier. He loves exploring and meeting new people - even loves dogs!♥ 1source record 5078
I don’t have to go outside every time my cat has to poop♥ 1source record 5080
Maybe for some people but after years of having to take my dog for walks and pick up her poop several times a day, scooping a litter box twice a day is easy AF Lol also, scooping is way less gross than feeling the warmth of a fresh dog turd through the doggie bag 😝♥ 1source record 5082
After my dog died, we got a cat. I didn’t realize I was a cat person until now. So much chill and I love the quiet. Easier to take care of too. I’ve got all sorts of robots to help.♥ 2source record 5085
Exactly how I feel with mine, i've one dog and four cats and the one dog genuinely is more work than all four of the cats. She's six years old now and I love her, but goddamn I got her as soon as I moved out as a naive 18 year old having no idea how much work goes into them, i'll be sticking with cats once she's gone as much as I dread the day.♥ 1source record 5092
Nah man. Grew up with dogs and now have 3 cats, I feel like I get 90% of the affection of dogs but without them being too clingy. Litter boxes are not hard or bad to clean, had 3 cats in a 2 bed apartment and never had issues with smells. Way easier to go away for a weekend too, idk I’m sold. My mom was anti cat growing up and im blown away with how wrong she was♥ 9source record 5135
Yeah I completely understand anyone who just says dogs aren’t for me. I also can’t really relate to people who say cats are better for the sole reason that you basically can treat them like the raccoon that lives in your backyard and call it a pet.♥ 10source record 5193
Honestly, I've had my fair share of expirience with both. I really can't agree with you. I find the work a cat puts up way more exhausting and unrewarding. I have found that both pretty much take the same amount of effort. Just that cats are really unapolagetic and unthankful. With a dog you have to cooperate. It is thankful, tries it's best to protect you and loves you. For cats you are just a slave and a sugardaddy.♥ 0source record 5240
None are superior or inferior, in fact.one could argue of the many things dogs do and cats don't. You could have your house broken into, and your cat will litteraly watch you get killed)♥ 1source record 5259
They entertain themselves, They don’t require walks, They also tend to regulate their social interactions. They groom themselves, very independent creatures, but I’m not saying they aren’t unaffectionate- they are. Just when they want it.♥ 4source record 5320
Okay but cats absolutely need play, stimulation, affection, and proper care. But needing those things doesn’t make them as dependent on humans as dogs are. Independence means they can meet more of their basic needs without direct human involvement.♥ 7source record 5322
Cool, I’m not here to argue with you over cat care. If you don’t think OP should have a pet- okay. That’s your opinion. I respect that. However- Nobody is saying cats don’t need attention. The argument is that cats are *more independent than dogs*. A dog typically needs its human to facilitate bathroom breaks, exercise, walks, training, and often more frequent social interaction. A cat can independently use its litter box, groom itself, exercise, explore, sleep, and occupy itself. That’s what people mean by “more independent.”♥ 7source record 5324
Could not agree more. If you own a dog and care for them properly it’s the equivalent of having a child…well a child that you can legally lock up in a cage. But you get my drift. Our dog passed away a couple years ago and I’m officially a cat person from here on out.♥ 0source record 5384

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Situation: Doing everything correctly and getting a difficult dog anyway

Why readers chose it: 143 records pushing back on the training argument from inside dog ownership. The claim is that temperament is not fully trainable: littermates raised identically turn out differently, service-dog candidates wash out, and several commenters describe doing everything asked of them and getting a hard dog regardless. The evidence offered is comparative — the same owner, the same house, the same methods, two very different dogs — and it comes as often from people whose dog turned out easy as from people whose dog did not. One commenter reaches for the formulation that nature loads the gun and environment pulls the trigger; another simply says the people who insist behaviour is entirely the owner's doing have not met enough dogs.

What readers reported: As a dog owner, I agree with the statement but none of the reasons. Most of this is on you. My first dog had psychological issues stemming from prior abuse, and was very much "hard mode" in every way. My second dog is much easier, but due to his breed he's really hard to train and stubborn in ways I've yet to fully crack. Dogs are great but can be very hard, it's true.

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Oh my coworker has one that comes to work with us everyday, We lovingly call her a "Tiny terror". She is a sneaky little thing when she is up to no good. Terriers in general are stubborn little things and I wouldn't recommend them to most people LOL. Aww poor dog, makes me wonder why have a dog at all at that point.

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Shockingly, I have a lazy Husky, that doesn't bark, howl, or scream. I think she's broken 😂 the only time I hear her "scream" is when she yawns in the morning. She's clever af, the only dog I've had that revognizes mw through a window, the other thinks I'm a stranger and barks at me 🙄. I think the longest we've played fetch is 20 mins before she's like meh, I'd rather lay down. She's nosey, she loves sniff walks and looking at people, and her personality is literally like an old lady who watches people through the curtains. We have a deck and she likes to plonk herself on the steps and people watch over the wall/fence, so I sit with her and people watch too and she's happy as can be. I really lucked out rescuing her. My other dog, a poodle mix is fucking bat shit. I love and resent her. She's super obedient and 100% listens, but everything is done at 100 miles an hour, no in between. 😅

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My Yorkie is actually very chill and lovely. She know how to be by herself, she understands when to stop. She's collected, never broke anything, doesn't jump, doesn't bark for attention. I'm sure I won the doggy lottery!

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I have one perfect dog. Easy as all hell for the last 15 years. Then I have the most annoying heathen of a dog that I got two years after and is now 13. Some days I really, really don’t like that damn thing. I love him. But I don’t like him. Then my parents got a puppy and made him look like an angel. That dog is fucking insane and almost ruined me for wanting another when I watched her for a few weeks while they went on a cruise.

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Dogs are like people. Some you really love, some you hate. Unfortunately it’s possible to get one you hate without it reflecting on having a dog in general. I love my dog and it does literally none of the things you describe….lol

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Not gonna lie, it's hard to become a dog person because even if you got the same breed it's gonna be a different personality. In 2021 I adopted my first dog, I cried so hard the firsts 3 months because it was hard as fuck, then I started enjoying it, principally of the shitting thing a pee thing. I enjoyed that dog so much sadly he passed this march. Months Later a cousin gift me the same breed dog, because he knows how I fracking love the first one, but this dog is completely different, it doesn't work the same technics I need to use on my first one. It's like having a different (boy/girl)friend you are so used to it, so when you breakup and meet a new person it become so rare at the beginning. Now multiple that feeling X10, Because you have a another dog after the last because the last literally died and it become a part of your routine. I love dogs but yeah I feel you so hard with your words so much man. The only one thing I suggest to be more tolerable is training, bath training and limits training, every dog can be trainable but you need to be more patient with that little criature

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To piggy back... and every dog has their own personality. We can help influence this when theyre pups, but ultimately, it's there. Same reason some service dog trainees don't make the cut.

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My dog is nothing like that. She’s a fat lazy English lab, but easily trained. She sleeps most of the day, she shits in the woods and not in the yard. She listens perfectly. She lays in the yard completely unattended and won’t go in the street even if her favorite neighbors/dog come by…she waits for them to come into our yard. She’s not clingy, in fact she doesn’t really like to snuggle at all. She’s great with kids, never barks (unless I’m the one playing with her and getting her all riled up) and you can walk up to her and take food right out of her mouth without consequence. The breed is a huge factor to start with (and of course each individual animal’s personality within the breed) but even more so it boils down to the amount of time the owner spends working with it, and HOW they attempt to train it.

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Nah, this is just your dog.

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To piggy back... and every dog has their own personality. We can help influence this when theyre pups, but ultimately, it's there. Same reason some service dog trainees don't make the cut.♥ 75source record 67
This!! I can’t stand people who genuinely believe any animals behavior is 100% on the owner. Animals have minds of their own too and sometimes certain traits or behaviors trump any amount of training you do. People love to act entitled as if they are perfect at owning pets. Chill out.♥ 4source record 71
Dogs are like people, you could adopt another one that is the exact same breed mix and you'll have a totally different result. I've had dogs my whole life and like you always did a lot of research and pre-planning with \*great\* results. I'd tell anyone who'd listen that they too could have a dog that's easy to train, well behaved, and happy with the right preperation. When people had trouble with their dogs I'd think "they probably didn't research the breed" or "they're not putting enough time in training". Six years ago I adopted a dog that absolutely humbled me, haha. He was reactive right out of the gate and had zero threshold - he'd see a dot blocks away and absolutely lose it. I spent thousands on training and had two trainers back out and refund me because they genuinely didn't know how to help him. The others said there's nothing I could possibly do to "fix" him at this point. I tried behaviorists and medicine, cried more days than I'd like to think about.♥ 5source record 367
As a dog owner, I agree with the statement but none of the reasons. Most of this is on you. My first dog had psychological issues stemming from prior abuse, and was very much "hard mode" in every way. My second dog is much easier, but due to his breed he's really hard to train and stubborn in ways I've yet to fully crack. Dogs are great but can be very hard, it's true.♥ 13source record 437
Each dog is different but you do you man, no shame, it is exhausting to care for another being!♥ 6source record 442
Or that their idea of "well trained" is the only one thats real.♥ 6source record 452
It’s definitely not for everyone and some dogs are far more difficult than others. I currently have the easiest dog I’ve ever owned, truly an angel that behaves so well and is so stress free. I don’t think I’ll get another pet after her though bc I don’t think it could measure up.♥ 4source record 476
I was quite disappointed bc I wanted a high energy dog which is part of why I got a corgi. My god she’s so lazy. Finished poopin? The walk is done. At the dog park? Just goes to the humans and sits to get pets. Ahhh♥ 3source record 667
I have a pair of two year old corgis, and they are both chill cuddle bugs. One is so chill that we constantly joke that he would be a great dog for an elderly person living in an old folks home. They prefer to be couch potatoes but will get the zoomies occasionally. Also the exception, but we also expect our dogs to acclimate to our lifestyle and chill rather than us adapt to them.♥ 2source record 689
What's you opinion on jack russells? I own two that I have meticulously trained and exercise regularly and they are still little troublemakers. I regularly see people who own jacks that have no business owning them. A neighbor, for example, who quite literally doesn't leave the house and that poor dog only goes out to use the restroom. I can only imagine what it does to his house.♥ 1source record 744
Just want to add a different perspective, I had a corgi for 12 years and she was the sweetest, most well behaved dog you could ask for. And this is after we took her in at 8 months old after (probably) being at least slightly abused/neglected. She was incredibly skittish. She basically didn’t understand what affection was. Didn’t want to be pet or anything. And yes it was hard work, but we turned her around and she became the most loving, obedient dog a person could ask for. You are definitely right about the shedding, though. That shit was crazy.♥ 2source record 768
I have a Bernese Mountain dog and she's not like that. She's affectionate, but definitely not clingy. Best dog I've ever had.♥ 2source record 769
I learned this the hard way with my Dalmatian. I heard they could be anxious without proper socialization, so I did everything I could. We went to puppy classes, introduced him to our friends and family, I had a frigging list of situations you should expose a puppy to to acclimate them to life. I'm sure our socialization helped but he's still such a nervous creature. I love him but if I ever get another dog it will be a golden retriever.♥ 2source record 777
The internet's perception of them is pretty exaggerated a lot of the time though. There are definitely ones like that but out of all the huskies I've cared for (2 of my own, 6 fosters) only a couple really had all that energy. Most were happy to chill around the house and nap until dog park time at which point they were excited to run around and wrestle for an hour, then they were happy to come home and eat and do some more napping. Sometimes they'd do some short wrestling matches in the yard during the day too but they weren't constantly demanding to be on the go all day every day.♥ 1source record 792
The shedding yes, otherwise none of that is true for mine. I must have a unicorn lol♥ 1source record 794
I think it depends on the corgi, my boy doesn't bark a whole lot he does bark but not to excess it's usually to tell me there is something out back, I won't say he listens ALL the time (usually eating the cats food) but it is something we are working on he does listen really well. I rarely have to clean out his pants unless he has diarrhea but I will do a little wet wipe bath just for sanitary reasons. On the other hand I've heard if your first corgi is an angel your second one will be demon spawn..... I'm a little scared of getting a second one 😬♥ 1source record 795
My fiance and I took in her sister's corgi mix (long story). She's a sweet and loving girl, but people also forget that corgis are a working breed, and she was mixed with a second working breed, so she has tons of energy. Personally, I like it. It gets me out of the house and walking more, unless it's raining.♥ 1source record 796
You're right, overall. But I will point out that individual dogs can vary. We adopted our corgi as an adult and he came very well-trained. He basically never barked. And we called his hind end the transporter because the floof covered it visually and poop just kind of magically appeared and never got stuck. He was also very calm. But the shedding. Oh, the shedding. So yes, look at what the breed is like overall and be prepared for that, especially if you're adopting a puppy. But dogs are individuals and you might get lucky.♥ 1source record 798
I have had many Corgis and while most of the time they are great dogs, many owners still seem to have a weird Stockholm syndrome towards their Corgis. It's not forbidden to aknowledge they have some pretty difficult traits that a first dog owner might not be ready to handle.♥ 1source record 808
they can listen! theyre just stubborn as hell and if they think they can outsmart you...well they aint got a reason to listen LMAO♥ 1source record 810
Tbh, all of the points you listed are very subjective. My boy is 3 years old and I've had him since 8 weeks. He listens very well (I taught him very young that me pointing at the ground and saying "here" meant "you get the f over here" and it works very well), doesn't shed a ton if he's regularly bathed / brushed, has only ever gotten poop stuck 1 time (he gets his bread box hair trimmed every few months), and only ever barks maybe a woof every week or so. Most all of that is due to me training him. I agree most corgis can exhibit all of those traits thst you mentioned, but typically not with proper training / care.♥ 1source record 816
My best fostering experiences have been corgis, they are spoiled, yes, because of the royal breed temperament, but I’ve found they listen a hell of a lot better than most smaller breeds when they decide they respect you (which I also frequently subject myself to anyway bc how could I ever say no to a demonic chihuahua)♥ 1source record 817
I currently own 4. Besides the constant shedding its not so bad. I have 4 acres totally fenced in the country. Rabbits love the field. A tired corgi is a happy, well behaved corgi. Ditto for the additional border collies that I own.♥ 1source record 819
We have a rare corgi that *does* listen; it took a lot of training and treats. But she's recently decided that things on my nightstand are chew toys if she's bored, and she's a bully to our other dog sometimes. Win some, lose some, I suppose I have a friend at work that saw her puppy pictures and declared that he wanted one too, and I had to talk him out of it because neither he nor his family has the time or energy to deal with corgi shenanigans♥ 1source record 824
This is so odd to read. My Corgi is such a good listener.♥ 1source record 825
Interesting, my niece has a corgi on my family’s 6 acre ranch in Texas. She is the most chill awesome little pup. That said, she runs the whole ranch is constantly on the run keeping all the other dogs and animals in check. I’ve never known a more well behaved, obedient corgi. I think they truly deserve to be on the range to get the best out of them.♥ 1source record 836
agreed!!! i have a what you'd call natural peking (the breed pekings were derived from) and she's so easy i don't leave the house without her when appropriate♥ 3source record 849
Yeah it sounds like OP doesn’t like this particular dog. Hounds are boisterous and energetic, they’re not the most aware or gentle. They would probably love a quiet dog with gentle manners and better training.♥ 2source record 895
Yeah. I had a husky while living in an apartment. Sure I walk a mile in the morning and did a two mile run after work, AND hiked on weekends but that’s what I wanted. The arctic breeds are very cat like and non clingy, at least she was. And you don’t have to tolerate the dumb husky behavior either lol♥ 1source record 925
I've had multiple dogs for decades. Presently on my 3rd cockapoo (very sweet, trained, friendly as hell) along with 2 disabled rescues. One a front leg amputee w/cerebral hyperplasia who can't walk & rides in a box on wheels---and the other rescue is an epileptic. They go to dog parks, beaches, music festivals, and local bars. I like jam bands + good IPA. I'm sorry you don't vibe with us because of that darn cockapoo...... 🐕♥ 2source record 949
Clearly you have only had dogs that aren't stubborn and neurotic.♥ 4source record 1024
Yeah you’ve never had a chocolate lab♥ 1source record 1025
Not so true! My parents adopted one when I was a baby and she never calmed down. They passed her along to my dog obsessed granny where she remained a crackhead into her old age.♥ 6source record 1223
What the hell? The only Boston I knew was an absolute menace of energy his entire life. I'd recommend a Rottweiler, sweet, smart as hell and happy on a couch.♥ 5source record 1224
Shockingly, I have a lazy Husky, that doesn't bark, howl, or scream. I think she's broken 😂 the only time I hear her "scream" is when she yawns in the morning. She's clever af, the only dog I've had that revognizes mw through a window, the other thinks I'm a stranger and barks at me 🙄. I think the longest we've played fetch is 20 mins before she's like meh, I'd rather lay down. She's nosey, she loves sniff walks and looking at people, and her personality is literally like an old lady who watches people through the curtains. We have a deck and she likes to plonk herself on the steps and people watch over the wall/fence, so I sit with her and people watch too and she's happy as can be. I really lucked out rescuing her. My other dog, a poodle mix is fucking bat shit. I love and resent her. She's super obedient and 100% listens, but everything is done at 100 miles an hour, no in between. 😅♥ 1source record 1268
I went the opposite way, but for the same reason. My Blue Staffy is a ball of muscle and teeth but is not at all aggressive to people or dogs. They are love sponges, more concerned with getting pets and treats and getting to run around at the dog park than with what any other dog might be posturing about. I kind of think (talking out my ass here) it is because he is so confident in his own strength that he dosent overly care about threats from other dogs.♥ 1source record 1269
Probably not the right breed but for some humor my husky is very lazy. Between my parents growing up we had three huskies before this one and this one is the only husky I’ve met who is so lazy, he will walk around outside anytime he goes out and will play fight our other dog, but otherwise he just lays around all day 😂 he’s a derp lol♥ 1source record 1278
Depends on the breed, some dogs are independent and 90% of time dont want your attention only time they need it is for walks♥ 3source record 1304
Man, I would love if my dog is a lil bit more clingy. Sure, she accepts hugs and lets me pet her, but just for a lil time. Then she would go away.♥ 2source record 1323
> Sure, she accepts hugs and lets me pet her, but just for a lil time. Our first dog, a real mutt, had a great temperament. Cuddly, not needy, not loud, loved to play, also loved to chill out by himself. Our second dog, a King Shepherd, was like what you describe when it came to physical attention. He wasn't cuddly at all, he liked to be pet but would walk away after a bit. His way of asking for a pet was shoving his face between your legs so you could scratch his ears, but after about a minute he'd walk away. But he was also a Shepherd, which my parents probably shouldn't have adopted but his previous owner had to give him up, so he was also insane out play since he probably wasn't getting enough stimulation.♥ 4source record 1324
My Yorkie is actually very chill and lovely. She know how to be by herself, she understands when to stop. She's collected, never broke anything, doesn't jump, doesn't bark for attention. I'm sure I won the doggy lottery!♥ 1source record 1366
This is definitely a breed and house style issue mostly.♥ 3source record 1667
Some dogs, depends on the breed. Mine has no smell because of her breed♥ 1source record 1721
My dog is basically a cat in many ways.♥ 1source record 1739
Same with kids. Know people who have a perfect angel for #1 and think they are better parents, but then #2 comes and all of a sudden it's nature Not nurture.♥ 4source record 1850
Meh. I’ve trained a lot of dogs. I intelligence does help training but reactivity is more about temperament or trauma than intellect. My smarter dog is more high strung by nature. My sweet slightly dumb one is very chill by nature. That matters more IMO♥ 2source record 1861
Being responsible for the life of an animal is hard work and a ton of responsibility that many many many people take for granted. Buuuut, every now and again you strike gold by finding a dog that fits into your life perfectly. It is rare and it’s still a lot of responsibility but sometimes people find their soul dogs. For example, my parents gave me a Chinese Crested Hairless dog named Kipper who lived his whole life tucked into my shirt with his little head popping out the top. I am the person who loves cuddly clingy dogs and he lived his whole life on me or next to me. He was very chill and was easy to take care of. When he died it left a huge hole in my life. Still hurts to think about now 6 years after his death.♥ 2source record 1996
Wrong kinda dog. Our follows us, listens, is easy. Why people don't believe in good breeds for themselves is beyond me.♥ 1source record 2099
As the owner of a number of dogs, some who have lived to 15 and 17 years old, let me assure you, the specific dog you have makes a HUGE impact on your overall feeling about dogs. We had two dogs for many years that were honestly not great. Hard to deal with. Couldn’t bring them anywhere. Refused to fully potty train. For a LONG time. Then they both eventually passed. We waited a couple years and then ended up with the absolute sweetest, smartest, most incredible dog anyone could want. She’s not even our “dog” she’s another person in the family. She goes everywhere with us, is great with people, etc etc. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong but, a truly Good Dog will dramatically change your opinion♥ 1source record 2328
Some dogs yes.♥ 1source record 2334
What i have learned by having 5+ dogs in the house almost all my life is that they all have different personalities and you cannot rely on the breed to determine that personality. My best dog ever was a Chihuahua pomeranian mix. Two breeds considered to be shitheads by most people and when I would tell people her breed, they would all assume she was an asshole. She was the sweetest and smartest dog I have ever met. She made people that hated dogs love her. We have had dogs that are extremely shy and cautious. Ones that are extremely outgoing. Ones that love to play and others that don't. Some get excited and run around throwing toys as their food is made, others stand quietly between your legs with their chin resting on the cabinet as you make the food. I also want to add that behaviors can absolutely be trained out of a dog. Had one that killed a few of our ducks. Some corrective action and training later and she is allowed to be out with the chickens with no supervision. We recently got a few young rabbits, she can be left in the same room as them with no supervision and has no interest in them. Please never give up on your animals, they are smarter than you think. TLDR: Getting a dog is like having a kid in the sense that you don't know what exactly their personality will be. You can try your best to judge it as you pick them out, but you will always be surprised by a few things. The best part though is that you get to collaborate and help shape their personality.♥ 1source record 2338
This was an entertaining read for me because I agree with the sentiment (I have been saying for years that I will never get another dog), but my dog has none of the issues you describe... He comes with a whole myriad of other issues! Lol. I'm not sure if I've ever stepped in shit in my backyard, but I do hate the cleanup of any that gets rained/snowed on. My dog is a lone wolf- hates to cuddle, only likes pets from a distance (our MO is for my to lay on the couch and lightly stroke his neck with my fingertips while he sits 2 feet away). He has anxiety and reactivity so I can't take him anywhere. We're constantly training, he has to wear a muzzle in public. I have to be careful about having guests over. I have to be cautious about who watches him. Walks are super stressful. I've paid thousands to trainers and behaviorists. I travel so much less, my social life is worse, my bank account is affected. None of this was obvious when I got him and I don't think I'd ever take the risk of getting another dog like this.♥ 1source record 2544
Lmao. I have a 120 lb dog that is nothing like this. Challenging in different ways, but 2 year olds literally ride around on her. This isn't me disagreeing with you, just laughing at how different experiences are. I did not come into this thinking of the problems you have.♥ 1source record 2589
so many types of dog and so many personalites of each one, its ok if you got a stinker for your current timeline, there are others that would be perfecto!♥ 1source record 2616
Damn this thread just made me realise how lucky I am with my 1 year old mini dachshund. I’ve always thought she was extraordinarily good for her age. But she’s the most polite gentle being ever. Doesn’t want to bother anyone. Does as she’s told with no fuss. She’s only small so she’s not boisterous. The only thing is that she is a picky eater. But that’s not really much of an issue. She is like a little shadow, but I don’t mind that, if I don’t see her around I’m looking for her anyway lol♥ 1source record 2765
Sounds like you have the wrong kind of dog for your lifestyle, but I do understand where everyone is coming from. My dog is chill but at the end of the day still another chore, luckily he's a chore that I am happy to do♥ 1source record 2769
I'm gonna be honest, even as someone that doesn't love dogs (currently have one due to GF) I think your dog specifically sucks more ass than the average dog. The poop thing is unusual, not all dogs are dumb as a box of rocks, and our dog is perfectly fine vibing on her own. It sounds like she might need probiotics or something, or a change in diet unless she has a medical condition.♥ 1source record 2837
I have one perfect dog. Easy as all hell for the last 15 years. Then I have the most annoying heathen of a dog that I got two years after and is now 13. Some days I really, really don’t like that damn thing. I love him. But I don’t like him. Then my parents got a puppy and made him look like an angel. That dog is fucking insane and almost ruined me for wanting another when I watched her for a few weeks while they went on a cruise.♥ 1source record 2838
Your complaints are 100% valid and these are defintely things people should think about when getting a pet, it's not all cuddles and fetch. I have lab that loves chase but would never run into a small child, she is gentle, aware and the most easy going animal ever. She is super well behaved to the point where she pees on command. I also have a little dog that is basically a menance on everyone and everything it comes in contact with. She uses the other dog as a step or a landing point and craps in the neighbors yard even though we have 3 acres of our own. She willfully ignores us every chance she gets...Menance. Good luck w/ your dog. Best I can recommend about the poop is either leash it or section a portion of the backyard off and don't let it out until it poops.♥ 1source record 2843
IDK man it kinda sounds like owning your specific dog sucks. I'm not going to say my dogs never cause problems but 99.9% of the time they make my life so much better and I'm lucky to have them both.♥ 1source record 2849
Dogs are like people. Some you really love, some you hate. Unfortunately it’s possible to get one you hate without it reflecting on having a dog in general. I love my dog and it does literally none of the things you describe….lol♥ 1source record 2861
Not gonna lie, it's hard to become a dog person because even if you got the same breed it's gonna be a different personality. In 2021 I adopted my first dog, I cried so hard the firsts 3 months because it was hard as fuck, then I started enjoying it, principally of the shitting thing a pee thing. I enjoyed that dog so much sadly he passed this march. Months Later a cousin gift me the same breed dog, because he knows how I fracking love the first one, but this dog is completely different, it doesn't work the same technics I need to use on my first one. It's like having a different (boy/girl)friend you are so used to it, so when you breakup and meet a new person it become so rare at the beginning. Now multiple that feeling X10, Because you have a another dog after the last because the last literally died and it become a part of your routine. I love dogs but yeah I feel you so hard with your words so much man. The only one thing I suggest to be more tolerable is training, bath training and limits training, every dog can be trainable but you need to be more patient with that little criature♥ 1source record 2881
I was ready to get defensive but you basically described my pos dogs too. It’s like their favorite flavor is poison.♥ 1source record 2888
I have a pitbull and she is awesome. I've had labs and all kinds of dogs, but she has the best nose of any of them, and she is really smart, she loves to just lounge around, she has never pooped in the house once. Sometimes you just get a really great dog!♥ 1source record 2909
I get it. We had 2 cats before my son was born, then when he was 3yo we got our puppy. Shes a lab retriever/heeler mix. It was A LOT, we always owned small dogs when I was a kid. She turned 5 this year and this has been the best year yet with her (son is now 8 and we have an almost 3yo daughter now). I know the kids adore having her and the pets, I think it’s good for their childhood. Plus teaches them how to treat and understand animals. Oh also we have 2 fair goldfish that are like 3 years old now 😭😭 we love her so much and I’m glad we have her, but I told my husband once all the animals pass away (hopefully just from old age🤞🏼) that I do not want anymore. The kids will be out of high school/just about out and I just want to take care of myself and us at that point lol. I’m exhausted. The only pet I’d consider is another cat, and probably an older one just to give it the best years that they has left.♥ 1source record 2955
Sounds like the dog might be young since it eats everything, haha. My SIL dog ate everyyything in sight. There was a sharp plastic finger nail tip on the floor and she snatched it up and got it completely lodged into her gums. Luckily she was fine but dang that dog was fast and we had to keep the floors spotless because of that. Shes older now and doesnt eat random things anymore.♥ 1source record 2970
No two dogs are alike either. I grew up on a farm and we had dogs that stayed outside, slept in a shed, and were low maintenance. I just kinda assumed that's how dogs in general were. Later in life I learned that experience might be the exception rather than the rule.♥ 1source record 3028
OP- all of these things are issues with your *specific* dog situation. Just like roommates, every dog/human relationship is different and unique. Do not allow the complications and hassles of this specific dog to entirely sour you on dog ownership! Every one of these challenges can be addressed or avoided, given time and thought. I hope someday in the future you have a sweet, gentle dog with really good common sense and a desire to only shit in one corner of the yard (or on walks- which your kid will be handling most of the time). It's all a matter of careful forethought, planning and training. Living with *someone else's dog* is very different from living with your own dog.♥ 1source record 3054
It GREATLY depends on the dog, the breed and their age. My Kelpie is a phenomenal dog. Great personality, goes pee and poop the same couple of spots outside, doesn’t get into anything, just chills. My wife’s dogs are awful. They’re friendly and a lot of fun, but the German Shepherd, regardless of how much work you give it and play, will demolish things. Shes four so I’d have assumed it would have grown out of it. And the other one regardless of how much I’ve tried has zero concept of shitting outside.♥ 1source record 3062
I fucking love my dog. Like absolutely LOVE him. He's going on 11 now in a few months. My daughter is 7. She loves to play chase. My dog has NEVER grasped the concept that not every chase game needs to involve him, or means that either of us are in danger. He has definitely interrupted a few chase games over the years getting too worked up. I completely feel this point haha.♥ 1source record 3101
A lot of behavior does depend on the breed. I had a Chow basically potty trained herself and only would poo 💩 in one area. Also would never jump on furniture or eat any crazy stuff or rip stuff up. The breed matters.♥ 1source record 3105
Honestly it sounds like you got stuck with a dog that has some issues. Not necessarily a bad dog per se, but has some problems that turn you off to having dogs. I get it. I had a dog once that would run away the second he got off the leash, my wife found him wandering the streets as a puppy and I guess he never got over having that freedom or something but it sucked. My other dog that I had for 13 years was the best, he was smart, he listened to whatever I said, he got along with dogs and cats alike, me wouldn’t eat weird shit off the ground, food yea, slugs no. Very low maintenance and I was very sad when he died. That’s the one reason I haven’t gotten another dog since he passed. It’s really painful when they go.♥ 1source record 3156
Your hound is wild because your family life is wild (you have a kid.) My hound sleeps all day because we are lazy and have no kid running around. Dogs sort of adopt their home environment's temperament. Especially hounds. Theyre not all that energetic a breed.♥ 1source record 3188
I got super lucky, my hound mix is ridiculously chill and does none of those things.♥ 1source record 3192
Not all dogs are the same. Generalising ownership is like saying all people are shit. You've got a dog that doesn't suit your lifestyle - more fool you. You should've got a shih-tzu 👍♥ 1source record 3225
My dog is nothing like that. She’s a fat lazy English lab, but easily trained. She sleeps most of the day, she shits in the woods and not in the yard. She listens perfectly. She lays in the yard completely unattended and won’t go in the street even if her favorite neighbors/dog come by…she waits for them to come into our yard. She’s not clingy, in fact she doesn’t really like to snuggle at all. She’s great with kids, never barks (unless I’m the one playing with her and getting her all riled up) and you can walk up to her and take food right out of her mouth without consequence. The breed is a huge factor to start with (and of course each individual animal’s personality within the breed) but even more so it boils down to the amount of time the owner spends working with it, and HOW they attempt to train it.♥ 2source record 3241
Have two 80-pounders, a super smart and quiet shepherd mix. She’s 10 now; my wife’s dog who was nearly 2 years old when I met her. We’ve grown a lot together and she’s super easy. 4 years ago we bought a house and that came with my mother-in-law who needed a place to stay and my brother-in-law’s dog, a pitbull/lab mix we wanted to keep in the family. He’s a crazy dude, love him but he’s a ton of work. Lot of energy, wasn’t trained well, discipline with just calming him down and showing him stability has been a long journey. Walking him around the block is a fight, took a couple years for his fence aggression to wane (we’re surrounded by yappy ass dogs), and he’s nearly 8 now so we think he’s settled down for good now. It’s so much responsibility. I love them, but I didn’t even have to go through the puppy stage with these two… not sure I’d want to do that. Try not picking up after these doggos for a couple of days. My little yard becomes a minefield quick. Godspeed! Dogs are the best. Edit: typos/phrasing♥ 1source record 3242
Sounds like the breed too though.♥ 1source record 3245
None of this tracks with my dog ownership experience. If you said geting skunked or the occasional raccoon encounter turned violent or other dogs messing with yours I’d get it. A dog that can’t even shit right? Yeah that’s your lottery pick right there.♥ 1source record 3341
Might just be the dog. Mine is low maintenance. Take her to the vet once a year for the basic meds, let her play in the yard, go for walks a few times a day. She's a terrier mix.♥ 1source record 3352
dogs are equally like humans, some just suck. Maybe if you had a dog that actually fit your personality, and was potty trained your experience will go a little bit smoother. It can be hard meshing with someone else's dog♥ 1source record 3358
This is pretty on-point. My husband loves my dogs (3) but will b\*tch and complain every time they pee on the floor, shit on the concrete, or throw up on the bed. I mean, how rude right? But he does tolerate the multiple dogs coming in and out of our home as I am a foster for a local rescue. 🥹 On the hound subject-does she stink like a hound? Howl? 😊♥ 1source record 3380
Dogs aren’t for everyone. Also, your singular experience with a (seemingly poorly trained and socialized) dog isn’t indicative of all dogs by any stretch. There are many lower maintenance dogs. You just experienced a tough one♥ 0source record 3411
For what it’s worth, it gets easier. They learn over time. And have less energy to run around and act crazy as well♥ 1source record 3467
Not all dogs are the same. I had a dog that loved to go running with me, played fetch the stick, but if I wasn't in the mood, he'd relax on the couch. Never demanded that someone play with him, never stole food or even inhaled his food. Was shy but not unfriendly. Never had accidents in the house. I miss him a lot.♥ 1source record 3481
My dog has a host of other issues (anxiety that she's on meds for, fear reactivity towards dogs, scared of machinery) but funnily enough, she's fine with these specific issues. She only uses the bathroom in a few specific spots in the yard, is fine doing her own thing, and doesn't always feel the need to join in. She does have no concept of physical space or that she's capable of hurting you, though. One time she tried to "shake hands" when my face was right there and ended up scratching me 😭♥ 1source record 3529
Our dog doesn’t go to the toilet in the outside area, only one walks. Wants cuddles but also wants his own space and sleeps in his kennel when he feels like it. Would never clean up any of our kids because he is a chihuahua 😂 If you get the right dog for your family and get them in a good routine, you’re golden.♥ 1source record 3588
Some dogs are awesome, some are exhausting. Good training, picking the right breed for your lifestyle and a bit of luck. My coonhound sleeps 99% of the day. Either on the back porch or on the couch. Barely notice he’s here sometimes haha. But a fun dude to snuggle on the couch after a long day or get him riled up in the backyard.♥ 1source record 3593
I love dogs, but most dogs I’ve met I would not want to be responsible for. My dog is extremely easy, but I lucked out with him, he’s a rescue and he’s just kind of perfect. He doesn’t bark, doesn’t shed, doesn’t destroy furniture, and sleeps most of the time. His only flaws are that he can be quite needy and he’s very food-obsessed. And every dog is harder to care for than a cat because they can’t be litterbox trained.♥ 1source record 3699
Yeah... I got REALLY lucky with my dog and it was utter chance. Shits only in the woods, doesn't run away no matter where we go, is super independent, doesn't eat or chew what I don't want him to, good off leash and on, only barks to alert us to a visitor, doesn't run up to people .. I could go on. The failings he does have are easy to manage. I wanted a second for a while, but I realized after getting to know and babysitting my friends dogs that I might not be the "dog person" I thought I was. They're mostly much higher maintenance and I have a unicorn. And that's fine. I still love dogs, from a distance. I'll still snuggle my friends dogs when they come over to play. There just won't be any more other than mine living in my house. Just cats :)♥ 1source record 3728
You just don't like dogs homie. Don't worry, I get it, I don't either. But I acknowledge that I don't like dogs, so I'm infinitely less willing to put up with their bullshit. Like the clinginess is a feature for most people. I hate it, but I'm aware that that's not a common feeling.♥ 0source record 3742
One of ours literally sits his 70 lb ass on my lap when we're watching tv, and I wouldn't have it any other way. OP should get a cat if the slightest bit of affection irritates them.♥ 1source record 3748
Dogs' personalities can be so different they're almost like different species. Some are insanely clingy and needy, while others are aloof with "self-respect" and prefer to engage on their terms. It wasn't until I adopted a Labrador after owning one of those aloof and independent breeds that I realized just *how* different.♥ 1source record 3753
Not all dogs are hard! I have had hard dogs and easy dogs. It’s difficult to discern which is which upon adoption. My malamute Rottie mix is absolutely perfect… purposely avoids stepping in poop or liquids on walks, has decent digestion/poops (I feed cooked meat and a rehydrated greens mixture), is independent but playful for a short while in the evenings, GREAT and gentle with children, and doesn’t mark in the house. He was harder from 1-4 years old but he’s now 14 and the last 10 years he’s been the best dog that ever existed. OP, there are some things you can do to avoid the issues you’re having - it’s like anything, more work up front for long term benefits. Changing the diet to real food means more meal prep and cook time vs kibble, but will likely mean solid poops only once or twice a day. Personally we don’t have a yard so the only times he poops, were out on a walk and I pick it up immediately and throw it away, so we have no poop issues back at home or where we would walk. The eating random shit is a training thing, as is being more gentle with kids but that takes discipline and consistency so I understand if life is too busy to bother with it. But yeah, I feel ya. I just found a puppy maltipoo about 2 months ago and he has needed a full bath at least 4 times because a poop got stuck to his butt and he freaked out and sat on it instead of letting me get it for him. Little turd. Thankfully he’s cute. Lol.♥ 1source record 3808
.....My cat is currently draped over my arm half asleep with her head against my hand purring away... she doesn't even care that my hand keeps nudging her while I type.♥ 1source record 3834
I feel so bad for people that have these experiences but I don’t argue it. But a well bred medium size dog that you take the time to train it is the most fun ever♥ 1source record 3874
I thought a cat would be better, but my partner rescued a kitten literally off the streets a few months ago and Im convinced the little dude is just trying to commit sewercide every day♥ 1source record 3898
I feel like this about my cat, I would never have got him if I knew how much of a ball ache he would be.♥ 1source record 3932
I’m not saying dogs are super easy, you have responsibilities to them, but all your complaints are specific to YOUR dog. Unfair to say ALL dogs are like this. I’ve had several over the years. Some easy some hard.♥ 1source record 3943
Laughs in Akita. Imagine a dog that refuses to poop within a half mile radius of the house. At least you never have to worry about stepping on poop in your yard. Having a fenced in yard is a luxury in itself. But also they are probably old. Hard to be compassionate for a dog you haven't raised.♥ 1source record 3986
My dog is an amputee and she chooses violence at any point. Your dog is a saint.♥ 1source record 3995
You’re experiences are valid but I mostve gotten so lucky with my dog. Cockapoo mix, used to be so energetic but now mostly spends her day sleeping. She pees in her pee pad or when I take her out. I have no issues traveling without her. She’s relatively healthy.♥ 1source record 4009
Big dogs that are trained are the only way. Basically humans with fur. True hommies♥ 1source record 4052
I’d not want a dog either if that was my experience, but I’ve had dogs my whole life none of which were like the one you’re talking about.♥ 1source record 4092
It also depends on the dog and their age. Our last dog we had for 14 years, he was 1 years old when we adopted/rescued him. He was a chow/sptiz mix. The first 6 or so months took a lot to get him taught to chill a bit and also boundary training him (and he had a few accidents in house, but for the most part was fine). After that he was mostly chill other then super hyper bouts when people came over. After he passed we waited a year or so before we actually found a cute puppy on the shelter website. We adopted him and well he is blue heeler, and that dog is crazy, but he is starting to settle now since he is about 9 months old, still a ball of energy that does not know how much of a brute he is.♥ 1source record 4100
Once dogs hit about 5 they’re pretty self sufficient in my experience♥ 1source record 4101
It’s the little things that get ya both ways, I have learned, but I assume everyone has gone through the ugly periods. My guy is like 2.5 now, but from months 5-12, I swear I was ready for Homeward Bound 3 at any point. I still deal with his sensitivity, but he’s a good dog and is lying at my feet as we speak. I can understand the pain of any owner, though. Positive vibes to everyone!♥ 1source record 4194
Also having never owned a dog but spent a lot of time taking care of my girlfriend's dog (who I love more than words can describe), I think the mindset you have towards it is common among people who didn't grow up with one. People who've always had that responsibility or at least been constantly made aware of it don't really have a reason to get too frustrated with it,.it's just what they're used to.♥ 1source record 4207
When I saw my current dog on the adoption site, I knew I had to live with that sweet face. And I could tell she's majority Australian cattle dog, and they're smart AF, right? I've had a couple in the past. But this girl. She's dumb as a rock. 🤣🤣 But she's the bestest sweetest girl, and I love her. Even her vapid stare. Three years and she still doesn't know the word "treat," even though she gets treats every day. She's funny.♥ 1source record 4251
I think youre just not a animal person not that you dont like them but having one may just not be for you, the clingyness is bc dogs are still pack animals and they see us as leaders without us they dont eat or have a safe place to sleep so to them we are their EVERYTHING which is why their loyalty knows no bounds and why we call them mans bestfriend and sadly they deserve to live much longer than they do so while the things you listed are annoying remember that dog loves you UNCONDITIONALLY!♥ 1source record 4255
It also depends on the dog. My dog for example, hard shits, all over the yard but easy cleanup. It's not bad at all. She's clumsy but knows when she fucks up. She's so gentle with kids but accidentally fucks me up every now and again. Bonus though, she's killed 2 rats in the yard by accident just playing with them. I do think she's part cat sometimes. I do also wish she was small, she's a 60 lb lab who wishes she was a lap dog.♥ 1source record 4269
It's such a mixed bag, just like humans. My dog is nigh bomb proof. Got him from a farm, random mutt. Fireworks? Lightning? Hail? No drama. Balloons not so cool, apparently. Eats anything, shits clean, every vet appointment ends with a treat and a "Welp, see ya next year.". My friend also got a random mutt, who is considerably less robust and bomb proof. My other friend gets purebred toy dogs that disintegrate when exposed to oxygen and cost $5,000 per minute they exist. Like a new room mate, if you can do a trial run for a couple weeks to be sure first, it's always gonna work out better. You never know what kinda crazy quirks the dog is gonna have.♥ 1source record 4280
*Some dogs are like this. Some of it is training.♥ 1source record 4281
I have cats but whenever someone says they did something dumb I say “well his brain is only the size of a lime”. Basically the same with many dogs. Smart dogs are problematic in their own way.♥ 1source record 4315
Nah, this is just your dog.♥ -13source record 4345
I get that and as someone whose entire job is taking pet care off of people's plate I agree. Dogs are a lot of work. But a different breed could also be a lot easier for them. I care for so many different people's dogs and often look forward to them being off my plate because my dog is so low maintenance, it's nice to be back to just caring for him. He fits into my life and schedule so well he's basically no work.♥ 0source record 4350
I can understand everything you are saying, especially as a new dog owner. I became one around 5ish years ago. With that being said a lot of this has to do with just training early on, and if you don't train its really up to luck on how your dog will grow up/end up. I personally got SUPER lucky with my Australian Shepherd, I barely trained him and just treated him like a little brother honestly. Somehow he just ended up being the chillest/most respectful dude ever, things that most people have to spend months training he just kind of picked up on his own. Again I got extremely lucky or I would be writing a post like this every day lol. Anyways try small steps to see if you can help make your day easier, even if its as simple as having her sit on walks♥ 1source record 4354
If it helps any, every animal have thier individual habits, likes, and dislikes. Breed also plays a roll in behavior and training. Anyway, not all dogs are like what you have described here, but all dogs take alot of effort in training if you want certian behaviors and habits.♥ 1source record 4430
Feel like you just have a mismatched dog. I'm all for rescues, but honestly getting a puppy and training them out of the gate (I'm talking 8 weeks old puppy not a 6 month "rescue" that comes from the dog rescue mafia that just encourage crap breeding to make money) absolves almost all of these problems. My dog shits where she's supposed to, doesn't eat weird stuff (though honestly eating a slug is whatever, she's a dog, let her poop it out), and is great with kids. Her only flaw is she doesn't like to play with other dogs. She's fine with them being around just annoyed when they want to play. She just wants to chill. 10 years old and minimal vet bills, literally just the routine stuff. The only thing I can say is finding her care when we leave on vacation. We just tag team with another family and trade off mostly. Maybe we just got lucky. The caveat though is my parents and grandparents were dog breeders for field dogs, so a lot of the training is hardwired for me. TLDR: dogs are like kids except you can lock them in a kennel. If you have parenting skills it's an easier version of a child and less of an investment. Also, the training phase compared to a kid is light years shorter♥ 1source record 4434
Yeah, my first dog was awesome (with some foibles I could have done without). He loved to snuggle. If you weren’t in the mood to engage, no big deal, he’d just trot over to his bed and chill. Losing him was the only time I can remember sobbing as an adult. Fast forward a year and a half, and we’re ready to get another dog. She is… so annoying. Oh, you’re not interested in playing? No problem, I’ll just stare at you and keep asking you! Oh, you thought the baseline benefit of having a dog was going on walks? Fuck that! We’re gonna stop every 15 feet so I can sniff absolutely nothing for at least 45 seconds so this counts as basically no exercise for you, and as soon as I’ve taken a dump, I’m dragging your ass home. Snuggling? Bah! If you let me up on the couch I’m either gonna curl up on the opposite side of it, or, if I’m close to you, I’m just gonna lick you *constantly* until you get sick of it! I feel a little bad, but I really don’t like her much at all♥ 1source record 4438
I'm sorry the OP has so many issues. When I got my rescue he picked one spot to do his business so much so I built a whole doggy pad set up for him. Getting him too go in the shade when it's 120 is a chore lol tiny brag but all the dog no training on my part♥ 1source record 4522
It sounds like this particular dog is not for you. And there's no denying that dogs are a big commitment. I have a very good dog who only poops in 2 corners of the yard, and doesn't eat random things he's not supposed to. He is a Very Good Boy but still takes commitment for me to bathe him, trim his nails, attempt to brush his teeth, and walk him. When he was a puppy I took extra time to socialize him around different people and different dogs.♥ 1source record 4532
Wow, this was not the response I was expecting from this post lol. I have always been aware of how lucky I got with my pup, but I didn’t think it was THIS common to dread being a dog owner. I grew up with dogs, a couple that were pretty annoying/gross/problematic and 1 that I absolutely loved. I was a kid so I’m sure a lot of the annoyances were masked by my parents doing most of the care. My current dog is just the best. Sweet, gentle, patient, low energy, etc. She’s been so easy-going that I guess I’ve forgotten the other alternative (I know, my steak too juicy/lobster too buttery). We believe she’s a Lab/Great Dane mix. The temperament of your dog truly does make all the difference I guess. Thanks for the perspective OP and commenters!♥ 1source record 4539
Its funny because I have had dogs my entire life and when you have, it really is that much easier to take care of them. There are definitely hard times, but when you have 30+ years experience none of it is as hard as being a first time dog owner as an adult. I Learned so much as a child that now most stuff seems like second nature, but again that is because I have had dogs my whole life. I can't begin to imagine how much stress it must be when you don't realize how gross it can be. You seem to be starting with an adult dog. Just imagine if you had gotten a puppy. Everything you just described but 10 fold. Also you have to train them as they know nothing and will destroy everything you own if you don't. Having said all that I'll still have a dog for the rest of my life. 10/10 cannot recommend enough.♥ 1source record 4597
Inheriting a family dog is a much different experience than raising a puppy yourself and guiding them through their entire life. Maybe give it a shot sometime :p♥ 1source record 4607
I'm not a pet person, but my ex-GF had a Border Collie/German Shepherd mix and that dog was phenomenal. Super intelligent and very high energy. If I ever had a dog, that would be it.♥ 1source record 4639
Different dogs act different. Sounds like you got the wrong dog for you. They are a responsibility tho. Id love to have another dog but as I get older and have health problems that land me in the hospital for weeks at a time I know I can't responsibly take care of one♥ 1source record 4661
My dog doesn't like dancing. If i try to dance with my wife he barks at us and tries to jump on us. He has to be put outside when my kids watch danny go outlr he'll jump on them when they dance.♥ 1source record 4680
Almost every dog I have owned has taken dumps as far away from the house as possible. This is definitely the case for the last two black labs. I think a lot of it depends on breed. Some are chill, others are OMG so needy.♥ 1source record 4760
My dog is literally perfect and it makes me want to get another one but I just know it probably won’t be the same at all 😂♥ 1source record 4827
When we picked him up from the breeder (a woman in Ontario's cottage country region from whom we have adopted 2 other labs), she told us she saved this one for us since we were "experienced owners." She called the little pup a "mischeifious handful" with a "big personality." She wasn't wrong. He is the sort of dog that will listen to you tell him "no swimming," but if he feels like he is not getting adequate attention, he'll walk to the pools edge, wait for you to make eye contact and then slowly slink into the pool like a jellyfish without breaking eye contact while you yell at him not to do it. He is also the biggest glue baby. He is a good boy.♥ 2source record 4893
Sometimes it’s luck of the draw too. I have a completely lazy couch potato German Shepherd, and I also have an insane psychotic ball chasing squirrel hunting rather be outside and running 24/7 German shepherd.♥ 1source record 4974
I have a hound mix that's pretty low key. The cool thing is that he always matches our energy, so on days when the kids want to run around, or I want to take an extended walk, he's ready to go. And on the days where I don't want to leave the house, he curls up at my feet or naps with me.♥ 1source record 4976
Ime they match their owners energy♥ 1source record 5059
I understand your point now and very much concur. It is a big gamble having a pet or child because you really could just get unlucky through no fault of your own (nature and not nurture). Then you are tethered to caring for them (theoretically) until they no longer need you. Is a very sobering roll of the dice when you stop to consider it.♥ 1source record 5170
Dogs are like humans I guess, each have unique personality. My dog never bothered me, it poops at a corner of our backyard always (we never even taught that, it learned on its own that dog poop bothers me when I stepped on it first few months), sits and watch the road peacefully like a monk, likes to be left alone most of the time and quickly gets tired of playing with me even before I do♥ 1source record 5245
Not all dogs are the same. My dog poops only in one spot, in the far corner of the yard and keeps the rest open and free of yard bombs. I’ve met people with dogs that are trailing poopers though and it does look like a nightmare. My dog isn’t clingy, barely barks, is super sweet and gentle with my toddler and doesn’t eat weird things. She has great self preservation instincts and basically just wants to keep her family happy and safe. She’s never had formal training and listens to everything I ask of her. All of this to say, don’t give up on dogs completely. They all have different personalities. Most of the dogs I’ve had in my life have been more or less like my current dog so it’s not rare either. Sounds like you got a challenging, albeit sweet and friendly dog.♥ 1source record 5307
I thought the same. Hated dogs. Until I got my baby boo. My pookie. You just haven't met the right dog 😃♥ -8source record 5367
I honestly said the same. I absolutely hated everything about dogs.. then my daughter brought home one. I actively avoided said dog until one morning she was away and I was alone with it. The dog started hopping around wanting to play. I rolled my eyes "what you wanna play?" While I hated dogs i would never be cruel to an animal because im not an asshole so I went through the motion begrudgingly. By the end of it I had her in my arms roaring laughing. I felt this rush of love. My daughter kept asking why I never put the dog down I held her everywhere i went. She even put her life on the line for me, i was attacked by another dog, she literally jumped in front of me and started growling at the dog, it was amazing. She refused to leave from in front of me. Nobody has ever and would ever risk their life for mine. The dog could have very easily killed her.. she's lying beside me in bed here now because we spend every moment possible together. She chose me its that simple and she's not only frozen my heart but she's filled my life with unconditional love and joy.♥ 1source record 5369
I think maybe you actually dont like dogs. not that you dislike them. But most people develop a relationship with their animals that lets them look past all that stuff. Dogs are companions that will love you no matter what. you can't get that from humans. It just costs some kibble and a bit of poop tolerance apparently.♥ 0source record 5388
I'd likw to point out that these issues feel more like this specific dog and not all dogs. I've had like 10 dogs throughout my life and these problems are not universal♥ -2source record 5408
Yup most dogs do. I have one that doesn't shed, shits a little on walks only, doesn't drool, doesn't smell, doesn't lick, doesn't bark (save for ups truck). And still I don't want another dog after him... but not sure I want cats either.♥ 3source record 5410
Your dog sounds like a pain in the ass.. I don't have any of these issues.♥ 0source record 5417

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What readers reported: man all of these comments just make me realize you guys are terrible dog owners. my dog is fantastic. she’s 8 years old. she’s extremely potty trained hasn’t had an accident inside since she was under a year old. when she REALLY needs to go, she’ll come to the door and let me know. i have her on a good diet and her poops are decent sized, firm, easy to pick up. she sleeps most of the day. i put the work in to train her when she was young. she has manners. she knows not to beg for too long and if someone says no to giving her food, she goes away. she only chews on her toys or things that are allowed to be chewed. she doesn’t run around in the house and cause a ruckus. she walks on a loose leash. she settles VERY easily. when we sit on the couch to watch TV she knows it’s time to chill out. i can just sit and play video games for hours and she won’t bother me. today is her gotcha day. i’m taking her out to the dog beach and then to get a nice steak afterwards. she’s the best dog ever and deserves it

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Yeah makes me sad. I get what they mean but it sounds like they don't truly love the pet. I had a dog that lived to his senior years and just bcs it's the worst heartbreak I've had, I don't think I can handle another dog. Not going through all the emotions again I might die of a broken heart... anyway I hope the op is not part of the dogfree subreddit.........

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I’d be broke if I took my dog to the vet every time she ate something weird- duck shit, Bear shit, elk and deer shit, chicken shit, on and on. A slug wouldn’t even get my attention honestly. She’ll be fine, or she’ll puke it up.

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I thought I was losing my mind at the comments thank you. Like, I get how it can be frustrating owning a dog if it's naughty, but I've literally never once regretted adopting my dog. Being a more responsible person has literally made my life better too, not worse. They force you to care about something bigger than yourself. And walking daily also is very good for your health

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This thread is kind of insane. Like yeah, owning a dog is a responsibility, but I’ve never had one of these thoughts while owning a dog.

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Exactly! I’ve had dogs for decades and have never dealt with what OP is completely about, lol.

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Weird. I don’t have that issue. I have 3 dogs. Work full time with dogs. Kinda want another dog… Have multiple other animals and wouldn’t have it any other way. Sounds like most of you don’t actually love your pets and shouldn’t own them ever again 🥲this is actually so sad.

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You’re talking 2 extremes. Cat diarrhea and a dog that shits everywhere. Both are rare. My dog poops outside on his walk, usually in the same area. Having a dog does not mean shit everywhere same as having a cat does not mean your house smells like cat piss.♥ 11source record 191
As a dog owner, I can absolutely do this but it’s because I don’t have a dog who needs much attention. He’s pretty independent and house trained, so we do impromptu things and stay out pretty regularly. No issues. It’s very breed and personality specific. If you want a dog, there’s definitely one out there that could match anyone’s lifestyle.♥ 5source record 281
Yea, I mean, my lab can be alone in the house no problem 12+ hours. She just gonna asleep the whole time and demand a lot of fetch when we get back.♥ 4source record 282
This thread is kind of insane. Like yeah, owning a dog is a responsibility, but I’ve never had one of these thoughts while owning a dog.♥ 73source record 390
Yeah makes me sad. I get what they mean but it sounds like they don't truly love the pet. I had a dog that lived to his senior years and just bcs it's the worst heartbreak I've had, I don't think I can handle another dog. Not going through all the emotions again I might die of a broken heart... anyway I hope the op is not part of the dogfree subreddit.........♥ 17source record 391
Same, I have a dog and three cats and I love them all to pieces, and my life was kinda empty before them. Sure, there's responsibility, but it's all expected and worthy, I didn't just get my pets on the whim, I knew what I was getting into. And I don't regret it at all, it's not hard to me to go on a long walks with my dog, because it's good for the both of us.♥ 14source record 392
I felt like I was losing my mind reading it. I feel really sad for people who have these thoughts.♥ 8source record 394
I live with 5-6 dogs and I step in dog shit maybe once or twice a year. People on reddit are such know-it-alls, and I'm not going to single them out, but they think they're experts and they're not. I've lived with dogs my entire life. Does this make me an expert? No. I have good relationships with dogs and I imagine I'll have at least one my entire life. For me, the worst experience I have with dogs is that they try to lick me on the mouth. They lick their genitals, their butt, maybe eat something gross, and then they're trying to lick me. Well, that's disgusting. I can at least appreciate that, to them, they think they're being affectionate. It doesn't make you a bad person or anything if you don't want dogs in your life, but if you do have dogs? It does make you a bad person if you don't get them fixed. Also, rescue a dog from a shelter. Don't buy one. Terrible things are happening to all sorts of good dogs, and it's mostly because there are too many dogs and too few owners. This is a very fixable situation, but it never is.♥ 13source record 424
My dog is nothing like this. She fits into my routine. She doesn't need me to be up at the same time daily or to walk her at the same time daily. She doesn't poo in the garden unless she's desperate and if she's desperate, that's my fault for mot giving her enough opportunities to poo elsewhere. She doesn't eat everything and any either, had only ever chewed one thing she shouldn't have (a shoe!) When she was a pup. I don't have to worry about her picking random things up, she's a bit more intelligent than that. I appreciate it depends on breed, nature and nurture and I've had her her whole life (well, other than the first 5 days, she was a reject). She's quite independent too. She does love our cuddles but she's not hugely clingy unless, again, It's my fault for not spending as much time with her as nornal. Having said all this, I think it is good what you're getting at here. Nobody should go into dog ownership lightly. It is a huge commitment and more people need to look into the downsides of it before getting one. Perhaps if they did, we'd not have the astronomical number of dogs PTS/in shelters as we do now.♥ 5source record 477
Dogs can eat slugs. <1% the dog will get sick from eating a slug.♥ 4source record 479
Boarding a dog isn’t hard. All you do is call a kennel and schedule.♥ 1source record 721
I don’t agree that’s the hardest. Kind of actually kind of fun. I’m a little bit pugnacious and I like that I get to be protective of my girl. I’d like to SEE some mutt try to lay paws on her…..I’ve worked with animals a lot though too Irresponsible pet owners / asshole see the worst however. You’re right there♥ 1source record 1171
Not all dogs smell bad dude, what the hell gave you that idea?♥ 6source record 1291
We got a second dog for our dog and it pretty much solved the problem, they just hang out all day. they're happy when we play with them, they still love to cuddle with their humans, but they're never too bored or lonely.♥ 2source record 1334
There's people with 6 dogs too, who are fine.♥ 2source record 1347
My dog genuinely doesn’t smell like dog and never has. It’s also breed dependent♥ 4source record 1356
I have never owned a dog, but I have plenty of family who do. Their dogs don't smell(nor their houses) because they bathe them regularly. And I don't see them often, so you can't claim I'm nose blind.♥ 4source record 1360
Or never had kids. But god damn, I have a working lab with insane drive that isn't half what I read in this thread.♥ 5source record 1381
I just goodbye to my 4th dog a few weeks ago. My 5th dog is a wonderful lab who is only 3 years old, and I just got an 8 week old chocolate lab, my first male. Each dog was hard to say bye to, but it's nice to give new dog a proper safe and comfortable home. It's getting harder to train them as I get older though.♥ 3source record 1392
for real!! the comparison is so ridiculous lol. i have 3 dogs and i wouldn’t trade that for 1 toddler EVER. my dogs are so easy, chill, clean, quiet, and fun!♥ 3source record 1400
Mine only poops once or maybe twice a day.♥ 3source record 1567
Lol...this has genuinely never been an issue for me.♥ 2source record 1613
I have a dog and he *is* a lot of work, but he never poops in the yard. I have to bribe him with treats to even pee in the yard. There’s definitely something weird going on at OP’s.♥ 3source record 1618
Idk we have a lab mix and have trained him to be ok to be home alone for a few hours when we go out, it’s never been that stressful to go do something maybe a little bit more planning than no pets, also we have never had any issues having people watch him to go on vacation or take him to doggy day care, AND he’s had cancer which he’s was on chemo and surgery for and still don’t feel like a lot of these peoples do, like people complaining about taking a walk like there’s something you should do anyways♥ 1source record 1654
yeah same lol, i have 4 dogs. 3 are old as hell and do nothing but sleep and the other is a hunting dog who i let roam the entire property. Sometimes I forget there are so many of them because they are so quiet and easy♥ 1source record 1663
Yeah….I honestly don’t get the “dog drives our life” comments. I’m a single person with a dog and…he does not drive my life lol.♥ 3source record 1674
My dogs don’t like walks in the neighborhood which is not common. They zoom around our backyard off and on all day. When they were younger we would take them on hikes or to the beach and they love it. Now they are old and just want to sniff the grass around the parking lots.♥ 1source record 1725
This thread is absolutely insane. I have two dogs. One is blind, the other was a street dogs. I have 0 of the issues here. We've had dogs for decades - including when we lived on the third floor of a building and had to carry our elderly chunker up and down the stairs for the bathroom. Inconvenient? At times, yes. Shit everywhere so we can't walk around? No - we clean when they poop. Diarrhea everywhere? No, they eat the correct food. Constant expense? Also no - but we also had affordable pet insurance just in CASE there was an issue (and there was- when my dog got cancer and it paid for the whole thing). Can we vacation? We go on multiple multi-week trips every year with no issue, and it can be that we pay for a kennel or we leave the pups with friends. Can we go on weekend things? Of course. I think the difference is, real dog lovers...love being around their dogs (and other people's dogs, honestly). If I want to go do something fun for the weekend, I likely want my dogs there too. I have never had a gap without a dog that lasted more than 1 year. During that 1 year, the house was so empty and quiet and sad. THAT is torture, not what everyone here is mentioning. The cat comments are funny because people are like 'you get them, put them in your house, you don't really acknowledge them and then you can just leave them for multiple days'. Why bother lol.♥ 7source record 1759
Agreed, I’d love to have a backyard for our dog to play but currently live in a apartment and still never been an issue taking him out for walks, actually people should go out for more walks! Our dog even had serious medical issues and that was stressful as it was harder to figure out logistics with medications and dog sitting but it was still possible and still worth it! The most stressful part was about worrying about if he was gonna be OK. The puppy part is hard but once you train them to be ok at home you should be fine going out and doing normal things during the day♥ 1source record 1760
I could never regret raising my 12 year old doggo !!!♥ 1source record 1820
99% of the dogs you notice are badly behaved, you don't pay attention to the ones that aren't bothering you.♥ 5source record 1884
Idk why but I got lucky and my dog doesn’t lick people at all! Rescued him at 2 and that’s just how he is. He gets mad when other dogs try to lick his face too lol.♥ 1source record 1899
The reality of owning my dog is great.♥ 1source record 1900
I love my dog but I grew up with dogs and they match my lifestyle. I love nature, exercising, and walking around town. If you are a homebody I could see why having a dog feels like a chore. The breed also matters. I have a golden retriever. He was easy to train and after the first six months I didn’t have to worry about potty training or him destroying my things. He knows to play with his toys. He’s eaten some questionable things over the years but his body seems to figure out how to process it. I’ve only ever had to take him for routine vaccinations and one time he got Lyme disease. But that’s because I like to take him hiking. I can take my dog on vacation because I like outdoor things that dogs can come on, or I have my parents nearby if he can’t come. I know people with adopted mix breed dogs or some of the more agressive breeds and they sound like nightmares. What you were saying. Expensive, reactive, hard to train. I think dogs are great if you can put in the time upfront to train them and research the different breed and personalities. I love my dog and have no regrets.♥ 3source record 1972
I love dogs and have 2 myself. I don't think it sucks taking care of them, but that's me. I also wouldn't take my dog to the vet for eating a slug.♥ 2source record 2000
can't relate at all actually♥ 2source record 2012
Idk how I got lucky with my dog but he's always been in "cat mode" where he will cuddle, but mostly he just likes to chill next to me throughout the day. He gets walked through the forest for like 1-2 hours daily during the work week and a bit longer on the weekend but he's a pretty simple chill guy outside of that.♥ 3source record 2026
I like how mans has a needy ass dog and thinks all dogs are like this lol.♥ 2source record 2056
Dogs can eat slugs just fine dude. You don’t have to take them to the vet for eating a bug♥ 2source record 2070
I’m surprised at these comments. Yea it’s work, but I wouldn’t trade her for the world.♥ 2source record 2083
Exactly! I’ve had dogs for decades and have never dealt with what OP is completely about, lol.♥ 1source record 2089
I’d be broke if I took my dog to the vet every time she ate something weird- duck shit, Bear shit, elk and deer shit, chicken shit, on and on. A slug wouldn’t even get my attention honestly. She’ll be fine, or she’ll puke it up.♥ 2source record 2116
I'm the opposite with my two dogs. They're 11 and 10 now and I've had them since puppies. They usually save their poos for their daily walk or dog park visit, so no mess at home. The amount of love and companionship they've given me is priceless. I fear have day that I'll lose them.♥ 1source record 2186
Couldn't live without a dog, but I'm glad you know your limits.♥ 1source record 2192
Bro, my 2 year old dog is a lot of work but I have never considered him a burden. He's my best friend and seeing him happy makes me happy. It's made me more patient and caring. He's had giardia twice with multiple rounds of diahorea and vomiting at all times in the night and we live in a top floor flat haha. In the winter I have to shower him after every walk because he's covered on mud. If I want him to be more chill I have to make plans to exhaust him so I can get my work done.♥ 2source record 2254
Well mine are well trained and have normal healthy digestion, so this isn’t what it’s like for me. But that sounds rough man, I feel for you.♥ 2source record 2322
This thread is crazy. I have a 3 year old dog and it’s such a simple routine. He’s a fun and energetic little guy but he definitely does not disrupt my life. The first 6 months as a puppy was rough, but with proper training, all he needs are his walks, food, and a little play time.♥ 2source record 2385
I love my rescued mixed breed hound. He was $25 and he’s 13 years old and awesome! Don’t get people spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on designer dogs when there’s so many dogs that need homes.♥ 2source record 2386
I guess I'm lucky. My dog is chill as fuck♥ 1source record 2410
I mean that’s cool you’re entitled to that, I hope most dogs also bc they’re just a lot. But idk tho my dog is great she basically came out the box set to like default perfect or something lol I’ve not really had to work with her much, she poops in her spot in the yard way back in the tall grass and she’s good with my 2 older kids and the baby, she’s a stage 5 clinger but if you tell her to stop or move she will, she’s a great dog 10/10 if I had to get another one I’d want one just like her.♥ 1source record 2442
Finally a real unpopular opinion 😂 I’ll disagree though I love being the world to my lil pooch but she’s perfect in every way! Yeah the odour sucks but if I was more responsible it’d probably be less there.♥ 1source record 2509
TIL most Redditors struggle with routine care. I’ve had 2-3 dogs and I don’t get anywhere near this angst, frankly outside of 3 bathroom visits/walks and 2 meal times a day I can largely ignore my dogs existence. I think people are really bad at dog ownership and refuse to educate based on replies in this thread.♥ 1source record 2531
Fun fact, having two dogs is easier than having one dog. They entertain each other. More poop is a drawback though.♥ 1source record 2538
Love my dog. She never goes on the backyard because I walk her. I have the lifestyle to handle her and the rewards massively outweigh the bad moments.♥ 1source record 2569
dog owner here i loled♥ 1source record 2570
I got my first dog in 2018, a bordercollie-corgi (borgi). First few months training, yes he had accidents, chewed my shoes, even crapped in one of them. At around 4-6 months he knew how to go outside, do his business, stopped chewing things, gave him plenty of toys. This dog really became my best buddy. He will sit at my feet or even in them. He understands a lot what I say, and knows lots of tricks. He greets me every day in the morning and when I come home from work. I think it does depend on the dog. They are a responsibility, however.♥ 1source record 2603
Huh wouldn’t think a slug would cause a problem. Dogs are scavengers and are prone to second harvest behavior as well. Dogs are great but sometimes it involves cleaning up frozen turd puke♥ 1source record 2676
Lord I guess I've been blessed, we've had dogs my entire life, as a child my folks bred and trained AKC labs. Aside from hip issues in senior years and unfortunate broken bone we were spared large vet bills. My dogs so far have been relatively healthy, has to fork over $250 for a double ear infection after my dingo of a best friend decided chasing fish underwater was a good idea. I get home every day to somebody that's absolutely over the moon to see me, and genuinely wants to be near me. Though after 19 years without a puppy, it sure was rough the first 6 months.♥ 1source record 2724
man all of these comments just make me realize you guys are terrible dog owners. my dog is fantastic. she’s 8 years old. she’s extremely potty trained hasn’t had an accident inside since she was under a year old. when she REALLY needs to go, she’ll come to the door and let me know. i have her on a good diet and her poops are decent sized, firm, easy to pick up. she sleeps most of the day. i put the work in to train her when she was young. she has manners. she knows not to beg for too long and if someone says no to giving her food, she goes away. she only chews on her toys or things that are allowed to be chewed. she doesn’t run around in the house and cause a ruckus. she walks on a loose leash. she settles VERY easily. when we sit on the couch to watch TV she knows it’s time to chill out. i can just sit and play video games for hours and she won’t bother me. today is her gotcha day. i’m taking her out to the dog beach and then to get a nice steak afterwards. she’s the best dog ever and deserves it♥ 1source record 2750
You had to pay out the ass because the dog ate a slug? Dogs eat crazy shit all the time, if they were that sensitive and fragile there would be dead dogs everywhere.♥ 1source record 2802
Other than barking too much at certain trucks and out of happiness for visitors, my dog is extremely well behaved. It’s hard for me to imagine life without him now.♥ 1source record 2847
Doesn’t always have to be the way that you’re experiencing it, but I understand the spirit of your post. I have a 11yo black lab, he’s the fucking best. And he’s such a great dog, no allergies, no stomach issues or food sensitivities, no separation anxiety, very well socialized, not particularly high maintenance (outside of getting his exercise and the regular bathroom stuff) and people ask things like when I’m gonna get another dog so that my current dog can help me impart some of his finer traits into the new dog and I have no inclination to do that. I’ve been so fortunate with this boy that I don’t even really want to risk experiencing what it’s like when just a few things go differently but also the freedom to not need to wake up and immediately take him out or needing to figure out how I’m gonna take him swimming for an hour or two during a busy weekend will be nice♥ 1source record 2884
I’ve only ever had labs, and never had an issue with them. Happy to sleep next to me on the couch, or happy to go for a big walk / swim. They chill in the house all day when I’m at work and cause no problems.♥ 1source record 2891
You don’t have to take your dog to the vet for eating a slug??? Iv seen my dog devour a giant bird right in front of me and he just goes about his day.♥ 1source record 3010
This is crazy to read, I have a labrador and she’s the sweetest thing, just a lovable and goofy ball of fur that snuggles and looks at me with puppy eyes. She understands most things and act like a rebelious child, she’s adorable.♥ 1source record 3020
You eventually become desensitized to dog poop, especially if you ever take them to the park and have to clean up after them. I have 3 dogs and my backyard isn't insanely large but I don't really have any issues with stepping in poop, I'd guess you'll get better at dodging it over time. Sure I've definitely done it but 9 times out of 10 all I have to do is take my shoe over to the hose and spray it down, I have specific shoes for walking around outside so they don't need a deep cleaning, just sprayed off. (they are crocs) You should definitely try to slowly train your dog to not eat random things, definitely difficult but otherwise you definitely will be constantly worrying about letting them be on their own.♥ 1source record 3086
Everything you described minus the shit in the yard is what I love about dogs lolll. Just dumb loving furballs 🤣♥ 1source record 3148
That is your experience with that dog....; My dog can go into the back yard and does its job back there too since i am not controlling where or when it poops. We have no issue with the dog. She is nearly 10. Needs no close supervision. Poops can be seen easily and I never step in it not even when move the lawn. Doesnt chew anything but her toys. You wouldn't have any issue with this dog. My dog gets over excited too when I come home from work but I almost feel like she can read the room pretty well. If I dont pet her she leaves me alone after a short while. She is very smart. 1 time she signaled us that our new kitten got out and went up on the tree. 1 time she found our turtle that got away when my wife wanted it to enjoy some fresh air and put it in a small box outside. Lol♥ 1source record 3177
Truly not every dog is like that! I've had two 80 pound dogs (collie/shephard and black lab), and as long as they're walked and given attention everything's fine. Yes, vets are expensive. Yes, dogs need to be walked and given attention. Yes, you need to clean up after them. None of this should be a surprise... Just like humans, if they're in good shape (ie fed well and exercised) they'll be healthier, and won't need as much medical attention. If they're cared for, loved, and given a modicum of training and encouragement, they'll behave well. Dogs are eager to please, conform, and be part of a social group: you and your family if you have one. There must be reasons why your dog has turned out the way it has.♥ 1source record 3246
Not all dogs have all of these issues. Mine doesn’t have any of these issues.♥ 1source record 3295
wow.. I guess I am lucky, we got a australian sheperd and shes the best dog ever. we got her when she was small from a breeder. We used to scoop her poop in backyard at first then realized later we really don't have to! We have a .4 acre backyard and we don't see or step on it tbh, it just dries and goes to the ground. So we just feed her and let her out a lot in the backyard thats it. the only con is her hair has gotten too much around the house. She is the best, happy and healthy dog ever!! I also trained her a lot simple tricks when she was small, she is like a stuffed toy, very smart and quiet haha♥ 1source record 3362
I have literally 0 of these issues. Dog poop? I walk my dog and pick up his poop every time. His diet is healthy and his poops are too. Clean your yard? Train your dog not to eat things off the ground? I've loved every minute of owning a dog and my only issue is I CAN'T bring him everywhere with me and am forced to be apart from him on trips etc♥ 1source record 3498
I always had a dog growing up, and I thought having a dog while living alone would be a huge upgrade in responsibility. Turns out it was miles easier and more rewarding than I expected. Owning a dog isn’t that hard for me, but it helps that I grew up having one so all the “sacrifices” people make when owning a dog weren’t sacrifices, they are just how I live.♥ 1source record 3546
Dogs are level super easy in life 😅♥ 1source record 3566
Idk man. I loved my dogs and taking care of them never felt like a chore.♥ 1source record 3639
I’ve had dogs my whole life and they are so easy to me lol I’ve only owned big dogs though, and trained them from babies so that makes everything soooo much easier when they get bigger. They have their predictable schedules but I gotta say if I lived in an apartment and don’t have my own backyard that would be a living hell having to take them out to poop multiple times a day lol puppy phase is hard waking up multiple times a night but then once they get older they learn to wake up when you do. I may have missed it, how old is the dog? Did you raise it from a puppy or adopt an older dog?♥ 1source record 3721
I have never thought this much about my dogs and I own 3. They just all coexist with me in my life. We all enjoy a big hike in the morning, they all come to work with me and lay around until I go home and we do a fun activity in a field after work and that’s it. This just looks like people who own an animal without boundaries.♥ 1source record 3733
Exactly. I grew up with dogs. Had seven of them in high school (lived on 5 acres). They just live their best lives along with me. They eat, we snuggle, we play, I pick up a couple of dog poos a day, we walk, they make me laugh every single day. They get their annual vaccinations and monthly heartworm medicine and go to the vet if they get sick. Easy peasy to me. Yeah, I have to plan ahead or take them with me if I want to go out of town, but I don't go anywhere they can't come except every couple of years, and I board them with one of the women I adopted them from..♥ 1source record 3734
Can not relate in the least♥ 1source record 3764
Weird. I don’t have that issue. I have 3 dogs. Work full time with dogs. Kinda want another dog… Have multiple other animals and wouldn’t have it any other way. Sounds like most of you don’t actually love your pets and shouldn’t own them ever again 🥲this is actually so sad.♥ 1source record 3797
This....has not been my experience owning dogs my whole life. Yours sounds broken. 😂♥ 1source record 3863
Love me dogs. They have all been fine. Sometimes expensive.♥ 1source record 4047
I don’t think you should own a dog. This is all normal behavior. Owning 3 dogs sucks, but I love their nonsense and chaos. When I owned 3 dogs before, I said never again. I then got 3 dogs again. 0 regrets. Wife and I say we’ll never own three dogs again. Until we do. Now owning a kid…. That sounds like hell on earth to me.♥ 1source record 4122
I guess having a mutt who started life as a stray pays off. He'd rather wait for his walks to relieve himself. Never touches anything I haven't given him permission to. I can leave a steak on the floor and leave the room and he'll leave it alone. He hikes and camps and rappels with me. And while I'll carry a leash in walks around time I don't use it often. He sticks by my side, comes back when I call, and gets lots of pets and loving when we're out. I wouldn't want to share my house with a dumb dog. They may be cute and cuddly but I prefer my boy.♥ 1source record 4290
My dog is so chill and it was the best decision I ever made in my life tbh. Can’t relate.♥ 1source record 4871
My dog doesn’t shit inside♥ 2source record 5079
My initial reaction was that this opinion was super unpopular, then I read the comments and was shocked how many agree. Im sure it does suck if you are not good at it but I absolutely love being a dog owner. All 3 are trained, well behaved, and I dont step on their shit because... I pick it up...♥ 1source record 5202
My dog is chilling all the time. I'm never worried about him.♥ 1source record 5280

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Cats are not the easy alternative either113 index entriesThe reply to the reply, from people who took the cat advice and found their own version of the same problem.
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Answer card naming a specific cost of dog ownership that commenters reported, what it cost them, and any mitigation they said worked — or the argument the thread made against that cost being the dog's fault: Cats are not the easy alternative either

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Situation: Taking the cat advice and finding the same problems in a different animal

Why readers chose it: 113 records answering the most common recommendation in the thread. The itemised costs are recognisable: litter tracked through the house, urine sprayed on walls and still being found years later, vomit and hairballs, scratched furniture, hair in every radiator, 3am wake-ups for food, over $10,000 of surgery on one cat, $400 a month of prescription food for two senior ones, and cats that fight and have to be kept in separate parts of the house. The argument underneath is about neglect rather than effort: several insist cats are not lower maintenance but easier to under-serve without visible consequences, and are answered that a litter tray removing the walk is a real structural difference whatever else is true.

What readers reported: They're not, they're just easier to neglect without realizing it . Cats need just as much stimulation and routine and attention. Just because they don't cry when you leave them alone doesn't mean they are happy. Every time you would have walked you dog you need to play with your cat until they are visibly tired. Every day you need to pick up their poop from the litter box. What exactly is easier about owning a cat?

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This is just not true. A cat will be just fine if you leave Friday evening and come home Sunday afternoon. The dog would be dead (or the house is destroyed at the very least). Maybe it’s not ideal for the cat, but it’s at least doable. The responsibilities are not even close imo and I’ve owned both

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I politely disagree. They aren’t exhausting like a dog. I have owned both and cats are more Independent. Unless you think OP is just a bad pet owner?

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Fur. It's the fucking fur. Never again (had 2-5 cats at a time for years).

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i have two cats and it is ruining my life. one of them has some kind of hair disorder, she has three times as many hairs as a normal cat should have, and she is pure white. my entire apartment is covered in cat hair, dust, bits of litter they carry between their paws, and puke. i leave for 10 hours and there is puke all over the place. i go to bed and wake up and step in puke. i got them the sensitive stomach food- they still puke, mostly her, because she has too much hair and licks herself and pukes. they've spilled cat food all over the floor. i have to keep a faucet running all day for her to drink from because my cat fountain broke, and the constant running water has attracted fruit flies. and she is so affectionate- to the point that i can't be alone and all my clothes are ruined. i'm drowning in cat. i'm dying in here. i'm actually honestly having a really really bad time

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I almost ended my relationship with my partner because of his cat. I couldn’t stand the shedding, the yowling, the constant hacking, the litter box, the scratching whenever she would sit in my lap and get startled…. It really took me a long time to learn to live with her. But, funny story: it was his ex gf’s cat, she left it there after they broke up. Now we’re moving abroad and his ex wife has agreed to take her in. Lol it’s a crazy ex cat distribution system.

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I've never had a dog, but I had a similar experience with my cat. We had cats growing up, but my ONLY responsibility was to feed them. It was only one cat at a time and they used big dog bowls for some reason, so literally like once a day I had to check if I needed to pour some kibble into the giant bowl, dump out the water and add fresh water. Once a week I had to wash the bowls, even then my brother likes doing that for some reason so obviously if he offered I'd wander off to play with my friends or whatever. As an adult when I got a cat my husband took most of the responsibility. I'm not good with puke, poop, hairballs, etc, he did all that. I pass out if I see blood, anxiety with needles etc. he took the little guy to the vet. I adore that cat, but when we seperated last month the first thing he said was that he was going to miss the cat, and my instant reply was 'oh, no, I know he's technically mine, but I kind of assumed you'd take him'. We then went back and forth about who lives the cat more. Neither of us is cruel or neglects the cat, If something happened where I HAD TO take him I'd figure it out, I never want to send him to a shelter or anything, but in this case he was just worried he was stealing my buddy and I was like... Nah, I just know cat poo won't help the depression. Anyway, he moved out and I stayed, so we agreed the cat would hang out with me for a couple weeks while my ex unpacked and got settled, set up feliway and some cat furniture etc. The cat was stressed about the change and spent the first 24 hours shitting and puking on everything, I was having a panic attack in the bathroom at midnight because I'd changed my sheets twice and now would have to sleep on a damp bed that smelled of this insanely perfumed enzyme cleaner. I called my ex and begged him to come get the cat in the morning. He puked at his flat for a couple days then basically settled in and seems really happy now. I cried when I went over to see him for the first time in a few weeks the other day, I feel like I failed, I know I definitely don't want another cat though. This guy did nothing wrong, I just realised I love animals but I'm not a pet person unless the pet is primarily someone else's responsibility.

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And the allergens, hair everywhere, hairballs, scratched furniture, cleaning the litter box, vet bills.

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There is irony here saying dogs smell... If you own two cats, your house smells. Period. Sorry. I've been in a /lot/ of houses and have never been in a house with 2+ cats and some room in that house (or the entire house itself) didn't smell disgusting.

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Cats walk across your freaking kitchen counter sprinkling kitty litter along the way. Not to mention having them shit in your home. Dogs at least do it outside.

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Cats are not the "set it and forget it" pet that a lot of people make them out to be, either.♥ 15source record 290
I used to say cats were pets for the lazy (and meant it in a good way). Then I got two cats that marked _everywhere_. I spent most of my free time tracking down piss and obsessively deep cleaning. I bought so many high powered vacuums, black lights, and tons of different chemicals. I would find piss on the tops of cabinets, behind furniture, inside closets. I was finding dried piss years after the cats were gone. It would be behind the fridge and in the weirdest places. I used to love having cats as pets. After those two, I swore them off forever.♥ 4source record 315
As I'm being reminded of after a foster fail, kittens are fucking hard too. Yes, they took to the litterbox immediately, but holy hell, their zoomies are ruining my house, they attack every plate of human food that comes near them (one tried to climb into the microwave), they scratch when they don't actually mean to, they love to chew as much as puppies, and they're small and fast af so trying to catch one that has done something wrong/destroyed something and spreading mess/run away with human food is impossible. Cannot WAIT for toddler/teen kitten stage to end!♥ 14source record 329
I thought my corgi pup was bad in the psycho baby stage, but he was limited by height. The kitten my cousin dropped off here was psycho in every dimension. How did she wind up on the ceiling fan? I didn't even know!!! How did she claw up the ceiling??? Why is she both underfoot and attacking my head as I walk by at the same time???? Absolute mayhem.♥ 4source record 330
Nah, just put a litter robot in a closet and cut a cat door. Keeps the smell trapped. The 10% is the cost of litter, and how god damn picky those sons of bitches can be with food. And medical bills. One of my cats has been perfect health it's entire life, the other is running over 10k in surgical costs♥ 24source record 331
Solidarity. Spending almost $400 a month JUST on Rx food over here, for two senior cats.♥ 4source record 332
And the allergens, hair everywhere, hairballs, scratched furniture, cleaning the litter box, vet bills.♥ 46source record 333
I really don't think that is good advice on cat caretaking. You may have had an extremely independent/ non attached cat, but cats are not as hands-off as people like to think. Especially single cats require mental and physical stimulation and I would not recommend to anyone, or do so myself in good conscience, leave my cat alone for three! days.♥ 12source record 426
\+1 to inside cats. Though I’d say they surprised me with the workload too. I’m a late arrival to cat care (my wife had two cats when we met four years ago, which came here when she moved in two years ago). Routine puking/hairballs, constant fur clogging up every radiator, fan, and heat exchanger on the premises, claw trims and brushing for which cats’ boundaries vary, occasional litter box fails. And with indoor cats, the biohazard type mishaps are predominantly smeared/soaked into your rugs and upholstery which the cats find comforting. Vet trips are a nightmare (and now, for us, emotionally nontrivial - one of the two cats tragically died of a freak adverse reaction to a sedative at the vet’s). And all of this is on top of the food, water, daily litter box basics. I’ll say as a husband that the minute your wife gets pregnant, there’s a medical reason for the litter box to get assigned to you, and the food and water often get rolled into that, and these chores have a way of never getting assigned back. Also there’s the quite dirty chore of the \~monthly litter box deep clean. I’ve gotten fast and good at this with a pressure washer but it’s still a gross chore. I got onto Reddit for hobbies, of which auto detailing is a major one of mine. But goodness do I spend like 5x the time with my industrial grade pressure washer and upholstery extractor cleaning up after the cat, compared to the time I can scrape together to make cars nice.♥ 6source record 843
Cats too! I have two cats. I love them to death, would never get rid of them. Once they die, I’m never having a cat again.♥ 3source record 844
Careful there, cats can be a ton of work too. Cats need enrichment and play every single day sometimes multiple times a day. My relatively low needs middle aged cat still needs about an hour total of play and enrichment every single day. Cats are routine oriented so it has to be at the same time every day or holy heck he will yell as loud as he can— you can hear it outside the house with all doors and windows shut, so not quite like barking but the neighbors can hear. I should honestly do more for him as he is still quite bored and will howl in the middle of the night from boredom. But I have to have a job to keep a roof over our heads and his belly full. It’s a total misperception that cats are low or no maintenance. And imagine having a cat with health or behavioral needs. And kittens need hours of play and enrichment or they are terrors. I don’t know if I’ll ever get another cat. I simply do not have the energy and time some days but have to muster it up anyway or we will have all kinds of bad behavior. I get that it’s maybe somewhat less than a dog, but I just want people who don’t know to understand. A cat isn’t really an option either unless you want to give up time and energy to another creature.♥ 2source record 907
Cats take effort too♥ 2source record 908
It’s the litter boxes for me. I’ve smelled it on cat people when they’re out and about, not just the home♥ 6source record 1316
Litter boxes smell so bad that they can be legitimately dangerous lmao♥ 5source record 1317
i have two cats and it is ruining my life. one of them has some kind of hair disorder, she has three times as many hairs as a normal cat should have, and she is pure white. my entire apartment is covered in cat hair, dust, bits of litter they carry between their paws, and puke. i leave for 10 hours and there is puke all over the place. i go to bed and wake up and step in puke. i got them the sensitive stomach food- they still puke, mostly her, because she has too much hair and licks herself and pukes. they've spilled cat food all over the floor. i have to keep a faucet running all day for her to drink from because my cat fountain broke, and the constant running water has attracted fruit flies. and she is so affectionate- to the point that i can't be alone and all my clothes are ruined. i'm drowning in cat. i'm dying in here. i'm actually honestly having a really really bad time♥ 4source record 1319
I would rather deal with 100 dogs turds than a cat litter box. Cat poo is the worst thing I’ve ever smelt, I don’t know how cat people do it.♥ 2source record 1351
Oh man, cats smell 100x worse than dogs. At least your house would. I can always tell whenever I walk into a cat household. I rented a house that had a former cat once. The smell steeped into the walls and they had to redo the drywall.♥ 2source record 1362
There is irony here saying dogs smell... If you own two cats, your house smells. Period. Sorry. I've been in a /lot/ of houses and have never been in a house with 2+ cats and some room in that house (or the entire house itself) didn't smell disgusting.♥ 1source record 1380
Which is disturbing as a long time cat owner because many cats (at least every cat I’ve had) absolutely love being trained. You may have to be extremely, ridiculously patient about it because they’ll understand but constantly test you, and won’t necessarily fully take to it until about 3 to 12 months in. Like my current cat understood my intention with “sit” and somewhat with “stay” within 2 hours but didn’t consistently and unquestionably sit and stay for our evening training/playtime until about 1.5 to 2 years in with near daily practice. So I definitely judge dog owners when their dog doesn’t respond to them, considering most dogs take to training more easily. Sometimes their dog responds to me instead and I wanna give that person some serious side eye.♥ 3source record 1486
You must be lucky with your cat then. My dog has a lot more restraint than our cat. The cat is a little shit and will knock things over for the fun of it. He will also eat anything in sight. We had to get baby proof cabinet lockers because at some point the cat literally opened our pantry and ate 5 dried ramen cups in the middle of the night. This damn cat loves anything that will kill him, including garlic naan and onions. he looooooves bread, absolutely loves bread or anything similar to it. He also loves dog food and will eat any crumbs left. Our dog has never once eaten food off the table even when left unsupervised♥ 18source record 1570
The dog is a dream. The cats will eat anything, and one of them has pica 🫠 I’ve literally caught her trying to eat a drill bit.♥ 5source record 1573
Grew up only ever having cats. Got a couple cats of my own when I bought my own place, and it was awful. They tore up my carpets, destroying my furniture, made a mess with the litter box, kept getting into things etc etc. All of this just to have some cats around that maybe wanted to hangout with me 10-20 minutes a day for pets until they get annoyed and scratch at me for petting them too much? Girlfriend moved in and wanted a dog, and it’s completely changed me into a dog person. He’s my best friend. Yeah, he can certainly be a pain in the ass. But I feel more of a connection with him than any cat I ever have. I don’t think I’ll ever have cats again. I guess everything is subjective and people have wildly different experiences.♥ 6source record 1605
They're not, they're just easier to neglect without realizing it . Cats need just as much stimulation and routine and attention. Just because they don't cry when you leave them alone doesn't mean they are happy. Every time you would have walked you dog you need to play with your cat until they are visibly tired. Every day you need to pick up their poop from the litter box. What exactly is easier about owning a cat?♥ 9source record 1630
Hard agree! A lot of people seem to think you can just leave a cat home alone for multiple days and that they can forego cleaning up their poop for longer periods but it’s absolutely neglectful (and gross) to do that. You are correct that cats require just as much stimulation, routine, and attention as dogs. The main thing that makes cats easier is that they can use the bathroom independently. I loved walking my dog when it was nice outside but it sucked having to go out during heavy rain or snow no matter what - and god forbid if her paws ever had to touch wet grass lol she wasn’t having it. All just so she could pee/poo. I definitely don’t miss that part. ETA: And before anyone says “just let them out in the backyard”… you are lucky if your dog will actually go potty in the backyard without you needing to go out there with them. They generally prefer an audience for whatever reason lol♥ 2source record 1635
Vomit on the carpet. Runny shit stuck to their back fur, and then they jump on your bed. Litter stuck to their paws, ends up in your bed. Random nonstop LOUD meowing and door scratching just because they are bored or want attention.♥ 2source record 1637
I say my cat is a husky in cat form to describe how exhaustingly energetic he is. Not a complement. My 90% perfect cat is a little snuggle bug. She just has the smelliest poops and sometimes forgets to bury it (at least it’s in the litter box). We’re working on dietary changes.♥ 2source record 1640
My cat is crazier than my dog 😆 poops in weird spots at times , gets horrible zoomies where she climbs anything and everything , knocks stuff over, needs to hunt/ play every day. My dog just chills♥ 1source record 1641
Your cat is chill? My cats act like all these dogs on here. Not a chill moment had. They even steal my food off my plate...♥ 1source record 1646
I'm just saying, my cats shit in a box which is a name brand litter robot we got from a friend who's upgrading. The machine dumps it into the liner which is much easier to deal with vs cleaning the yard♥ 1source record 1652
I almost ended my relationship with my partner because of his cat. I couldn’t stand the shedding, the yowling, the constant hacking, the litter box, the scratching whenever she would sit in my lap and get startled…. It really took me a long time to learn to live with her. But, funny story: it was his ex gf’s cat, she left it there after they broke up. Now we’re moving abroad and his ex wife has agreed to take her in. Lol it’s a crazy ex cat distribution system.♥ 3source record 1668
I understand dogs in comparison to cats is much harder to take off. But its still makes me sad when people compare the 2. Cats also comes with their cons and depending on their cat it can be difficult to have as pet if their not very loving at times, it takes time to get used to some of their personalities, also some unpredictable at times. Cats and dogs are just not built the same and have different requirements from their owners. If people choose to own a dog I think part of them has to accept loving them even on hard days and that it does come with alot of work. If you are not willing to put in the work then you might as well get a cat or a pet thats low maintenance. Its very similar to raising children when having a dog as a pet.♥ 3source record 1669
Yeah, I agree with that 100%. You shouldn't keep a single cat if you're not homebound or don't have enough free time to actively keep it engaged.♥ 6source record 1676
yeah but then your house smells like a mixture of litter and cat poop♥ 1source record 1719
*unclean owners houses smells like litter and poop. More than others at least. The problematic people's. Dogs have a smell too btw♥ 3source record 1720
Yes I know. In some situations owning a dog is more annoying such as living in an apartment but I'm speaking in general. People gravely underestimate the needs of a cat and cats don't express their discontent as outwardly as dogs so people go about their lives not knowing that they are neglecting their cat. People don't feel like they need to research cats before bringing them home and it's not as much common knowledge. People often fail to socialize their cats and then blame the cats for being assholes. They don't provide an environment for their cats to be confident and secure in their home and then wonder why they hide or lash out when people come over. That's not normal cat behavior that's just proof of a bad cat owner.♥ 1source record 1726
Lol thank you I keep getting downvoted in other comments where I've said you shouldn't leave cats alone for more than 24 hours maximum. Their argument is what would your dog do if left alone for two days. Well, my dog would be sad and scared but she wouldn't tear up the house. If I were a psycho and premeditated leaving my dog for two days and left a place for her to relieve herself she would use it. Just like a cat in a litter box but that doesn't make it right. Just because the average cat doesn't tear up the house and bark its head off when home alone doesn't mean it's happy. Their only metric seems to be that cats can go to the bathroom. Like ok so? If you litter trained a dog would you leave it alone? Lol probably not. Also you're right my dog will only poop if I'm watching but she will pee on her own if I let her out. She doesn't like to poop when the grass is wet either so that's a whole other thing 🤣 but I've had both cats and dogs and I still don't find walking my dog that much more inconvenient than cleaning a litter box because I happen to find cleaning a litter box a horrible activity lol♥ 1source record 1730
I always wonder if people saying this actually take good care of their cats. I have a friend that will say exactly this. She has extremely obese cats, dumps food in a huge bowl and lets them eat at their leisure (which is why they’re huge), they share one litter box that fucking stinks every time I come over. And then their buttholes (which are on full display almost all the time) are always caked in shit and litter. And she’s by far not the only person with a cat that I’ve seen is like this. So are cats easier, or is it easier to neglect them and pretend you don’t actually have to take care of them? I didn’t even realize this but a comment just below yours is describing exactly this. “Just refill their food and water and they can survive for days at a time.” Yeah that’s called being a shit cat owner.♥ 4source record 1794
Oh god 🤢 that’s disgusting. I do free feed my cats but they are not overweight at all, one is just big boned lmao. I have a litter robot so their box is always clean. And they get lots of affection especially from my overbearing daughter 🤣My husband is building them their own room so they have a quiet space when our second child is born is October lol so I like to think we take good care of them♥ 2source record 1799
I have 2 cats and I already know I will never own pets again. I love them to bits, they’re my best little buddies but they’re still a pain in the ass. They’re less maintenance than dogs but you still have to have them taken care of when you travel, they still cost a fortune at the vet, they still cover every surface and possession you have in hair, and anyone who says cats are chill and independent has never owned an orange one.♥ 1source record 1810
My mom’s orange cats are definitely in that league of insanity!! lol my cats (black one and gray one) are very calm and only sometimes my black one gets the zoomies but it’s at like 2am when I’m passed out so 🤣 but yes they are definitely costly vet visits. 🙄 when my black cat was like 2, he couldn’t pee. Had to pay 3k to get his urinary track unblocked or they were gonna put him down. Expensive bastard lol♥ 1source record 1811
Do no underestimate the amount of patience, time and care they need when they’re seniors. Two of our cats got dementia and it wasn’t easy♥ 1source record 1826
Please don't get a cat either! Far too many people think you just have to give them food and clean the toilet. Yeah of course you have to do that, that's the bare minimum. You should play at least once a day, they need entertainment and love, too. And of course they can get sick, too. Older cats for example can become incontinent and some owners just take them to the shelter because of that. It doesn't matter what pet you have, it is a living beeing and you are responsible for their wellbeing. Don't commit to it if you just want something cute on demand.♥ 3source record 1847
Your statement about cats could not be more untrue lol the stereotype of cats requiring little care comes from the fact it’s accepted to neglect them. I’ve had many cats in my life, currently have 3 and it infuriates me to see people say stuff like that.♥ 2source record 1875
Cats are their own kind of disgusting♥ 3source record 1987
So you can scoop their crap out if a box daily instead? Regardless of the pet, you're cleaning up after them.♥ 7source record 1991
Cat people *also* smell and have hair on everything, what the hell are you talking about♥ 2source record 2028
It’s in a litter box , way less nasty then walking after them picking up fresh turds or diarrhea. Especially for big dogs who take some huge poops.♥ 5source record 2090
I have two cats and two big dogs. One of my cats never covers his poo, so it stinks up the inside, sadly. And the dogs go in the yard, so I just go out every couple days and scoop it.♥ 10source record 2091
So sticking your face in an ammonia poop filled box is better? As well as having poop particles on your home and counters. To each their own.♥ 2source record 2095
Litter Robot. Best thing ever. Then tie the bag and go. And before you say it smells, it comes with ima deodorizer, sealed poop compartment and the room has an air filter.♥ 1source record 2096
I'm actually not a fan. 😬 I work in vet med and your average cat prefers a no frills, uncovered box. One of my cats has already had cystitis so I am not changing a *thing* now that he's well and happy.♥ 3source record 2097
ehhhh my 16 year old cat has been shitting outside of the box most of the time for almost 10 years - anxiety, bitchiness, old age etc. I love her, but damn she sucks sometimes. Thank goodness for Prozac.♥ 1source record 2103
I've never had a dog, but I had a similar experience with my cat. We had cats growing up, but my ONLY responsibility was to feed them. It was only one cat at a time and they used big dog bowls for some reason, so literally like once a day I had to check if I needed to pour some kibble into the giant bowl, dump out the water and add fresh water. Once a week I had to wash the bowls, even then my brother likes doing that for some reason so obviously if he offered I'd wander off to play with my friends or whatever. As an adult when I got a cat my husband took most of the responsibility. I'm not good with puke, poop, hairballs, etc, he did all that. I pass out if I see blood, anxiety with needles etc. he took the little guy to the vet. I adore that cat, but when we seperated last month the first thing he said was that he was going to miss the cat, and my instant reply was 'oh, no, I know he's technically mine, but I kind of assumed you'd take him'. We then went back and forth about who lives the cat more. Neither of us is cruel or neglects the cat, If something happened where I HAD TO take him I'd figure it out, I never want to send him to a shelter or anything, but in this case he was just worried he was stealing my buddy and I was like... Nah, I just know cat poo won't help the depression. Anyway, he moved out and I stayed, so we agreed the cat would hang out with me for a couple weeks while my ex unpacked and got settled, set up feliway and some cat furniture etc. The cat was stressed about the change and spent the first 24 hours shitting and puking on everything, I was having a panic attack in the bathroom at midnight because I'd changed my sheets twice and now would have to sleep on a damp bed that smelled of this insanely perfumed enzyme cleaner. I called my ex and begged him to come get the cat in the morning. He puked at his flat for a couple days then basically settled in and seems really happy now. I cried when I went over to see him for the first time in a few weeks the other day, I feel like I failed, I know I definitely don't want another cat though. This guy did nothing wrong, I just realised I love animals but I'm not a pet person unless the pet is primarily someone else's responsibility.♥ 1source record 2284
As a cat person, the clingyness resonates with me. Like holy fuck leave me alone for a second. No need to always lay next to me, on me, on my keyboard, etc, etc. The second thing with cats, and I would assume dogs too, and humans, is that stupid fucking bullshit with food. Like chill out. Nobody is going to die if I don't give you your food within 30 seconds.♥ 1source record 2600
Not all cats. I've got 4 and 3 of them are clingy AF. More so then any dog Ive ever owned.♥ 9source record 2731
No. This person shouldn't own any pets. Cats aren't easier to take care of they're just easier to neglect without visible consequences.♥ 9source record 2732
You're right that they're easier to neglect without realising the consequences, and there are lots of misconceptions e.g. "no need to take cats to a groomer" - see what happens when it gets too old to look after itself, so you take it to a groomer for the first time and it's not used to it But it is also true that they spend a lot of time sleeping because they're predators and that by itself makes them lower maintenance. Granted, dogs are similar to wolves which are predators but they're nowhere near on the same level as still having those instincts. Also granted that "lower maintenance" is still higher than what most people think is required to look after a cat. Still less than a dog. A dog owner has to consider how their pet affects like 95% of their plans. A cat owner can comfortably go out for the day without thinking too hard about it. Not to mention training. You should train cats and dogs. But dogs require a lot more training just to avoid basic annoyances such as barking, excitedly rushing up to someone and knocking them over, etc. whereas cats need training on what not to scratch and where to poo. I personally wouldn't own either, because they both have their negatives that I don't want to deal with. The main problem with cats being that their poo is literally the most vomit inducing thing I've ever had to deal with (neighbour's cats use our garden as the toilet) and they are really bad for the wildlife. Then for dogs I feel like I'd have to change my entire life to fit around them, and put huge amounts of time and energy into just making them less annoying to deal with♥ 3source record 2733
I personally don’t feel that way.♥ 2source record 3080
I adopted cats a couple years ago, and they are loved and cared for, but I feel the same way about them and I will never own pets ever again after they pass lol♥ 1source record 3205
I got 2 Siamese kittens and literally all they need is a shitload of kitty litter, kitten food and a couple toys around the house. They sleep all day but run around the house all night. Love them to death but at 3 am I’ll find them on every table and countertop meowing their ass off.♥ 1source record 3249
It’s the first time I’ve heard someone talk about animals like this. It felt so honest and real to me. I’ve never had dogs, only cats. But my last cat almost tore all the skin off my arm during a stress-induced episode because I had pet another animal. Thankfully, I have a very gentle cat now, although he still causes me a lot of trouble. For example, he’ll tear up the trash if there’s something in it that interests him. When he’s upset, he’ll just bite me, and it hurts a lot. There are plenty of other things too, but I love him so much. As for your dog, I think you could have an honest conversation with your wife about how much this bothers you, and maybe you two can find a solution that works better for both of you.♥ 1source record 3360
I love cats , but they can be assholes♥ 2source record 3491
I always see people complaining about dogs being too clingy but in my experience at least, my cats have been 10000% more clingy than any of my dogs. My dogs like to play and run around but then they get tired and then they just rest on their own corner meanwhile my cats just want physical contact around the clock.♥ 1source record 3609
I’m with you. I have two cats (brothers) who I love more than anything. They’re my first real pets I’ve ever had. When they’re eventually gone, I don’t think I’ll be getting more pets. Again, I LOVE these cats, but for many of the reasons you listed they can just be such a damn hassle to own.♥ 1source record 3683
I have two cats (got them in February) and they are really high maintenance. Both have had health issues, struggled in the heat, so much vomit, my one has a sensitive stomach and so struggles with diarrhea that I have to clean up, and we’ve had to buy her endless fancy foods and probiotics, she’s also had ear polyps, they scratch everything (all our nice furniture) and my other cat always tries to escape and frolic in the neighborhood when she’s not allowed. They also wake me up at like 5am wanted a cuddle or food… BUT all of this pales in comparison to the endless joy, entertainment and happiness these two little girls give us. I wouldn’t trade all of the difficult bits for the world. I miss them every minute I’m not at home. I look at pictures of them when I’m not with them. I cannot wait to go back to them any time I’m away and any and every little thing they do just warms our hearts. I also talk about them constantly. I know pet ownership isn’t for everyone but I do think that for many of us the good just far outweighs all the responsibility and the difficult bits.♥ 1source record 4118
After our elderly cat died we agreed to get two kittens. My son is young and it was hard on him with the loss. Let me tell you this will be the last cats I ever own. I love them and do everything for them. But the work and all the stuff they break and the pooping, not eating this today but tomorrow maybe, all the cat litter everywhere, the throwing up. Just exhausting really. So I fully understand what you mean.♥ 1source record 4303
Nah you just have to have an entire house that stinks like piss all the time♥ 4source record 4336
Cat people are truly nose blind, bu that's what happens when you constantly inhale ammonia.♥ 2source record 4337
If you have a big house where you can put the litter in a room, then the smell is not a problem, but if you have a dog, the house will smell like you have a dog. A lot of cat owners live in apartments though and I think owning a cat in a tiny place is weird for sure.♥ 2source record 4338
As opposed to a dog, where your house will still smell like piss all the time♥ -3source record 4339
And cats get angry at you for no reason, they fuckin suck♥ -1source record 4427
and don’t let anyone convince you to get a cat because they’re “easier.” dogs won’t wake you up at 5am to bite all 10 of your toes because they decided they were hungry. kitten life made me depressed, genuinely.♥ 1source record 4611
Counterpoint: we have two dogs and one cat, and I’d much rather deal with poop patrol in the yard than 1) incessant scream-meowing for food 2) cat hair everywhere (Halo is a shorthaired Tabby that easily sheds twice as much as my 50lb and 60lb dogs, combined) 3) clawed-up furnishings, including all our kitchen fatigue mats and bed covers 4) cat piss (this menace has TWO well-maintained litter boxes, but has still peed on countless soft surfaces over the years, including bathmats, beds, dog beds, dirty laundry in laundry baskets, and clean clothing in laundry baskets) 5) breakage - ceramics, glassware, electronics, even a tennis trophy, 6) threat to life and limb — she zooms underfoot on the regular - especially on staircases Don’t get me wrong, our cat is cute as hell, dog savvy, very social, affectionate, and cozies up to everyone….. but I never want to own another.♥ 1source record 4623
I’m being forced to keep a cat. It sucks. Now there’s something in the house I’m allergic to, it can’t clean up after itself, there’s a constant battle with fleas and I have to make sure coyotes don’t eat it even though it’s an indoor/outdoor cat, long before I ever had it♥ 1source record 4690
The older one developed a tooth issue and now eats soft food as part of his diet. If you put too much out at once, the food either gets crusty or attracts ants. The younger one isn't particularly bright and if her litter box is used much, she'll go somewhere else. They lost their texting privileges after the incident...♥ 1source record 4922
It’s not just the physical responsibilities, but also the financial costs. My two cats don’t get along so we have to keep them in separate places. One cat lifts their butt as they pee and frequently pees outside the litterbox. The other flings a lot of litter out of the box whenever they use it, as well as sheds so so much. So we’re vacuuming every day. Sometimes multiple times a day. For the two cats, we spend about 2k a year on cat food. A dedicated portion of the house is for cat trees, etc. one cat periodically pees outside a perfectly clean litter box. They have periodic fur balls. If you want to go on a trip you need to find someone to feed and empty their litter boxes. Have to come back home in the evening to feed them rather than going straight out or staying somewhere overnight. Also entertain them, trim their claws so they’re not ripping up the couch. I got lilies for my wife for Mother’s Day once, and had a 3k vet bill because apparently they’re very toxic to cats. So it’s not like each thing is a lot of responsibility, but combined they take a lot of work and severely limit your ability to do things. It’s just not something I want to take on again once they die.♥ 2source record 4960
So I’m not sure I want a second. My cat is extremely aggressive towards other cats and we already struggle with spraying indoors (and yes he is fixed) just from him glancing another cat. He ripped a screen out of a window twice because a neighbor’s cat was in our yard passing by and he ran out and picked a fight. His foster home who had him previously had a ton of trouble introducing him to her other fosters and residents. He was either over the top violent or would hide in pure fear even from kittens. That’s actually how I ended up with him. I’m extremely concerned that if we got another cat it would be very stressful for him and for me. And my house is not suited to keeping two cats separated. So I’ll have to be his second cat which is really hard.♥ 1source record 4989
Cats destroy furniture though , and we have scratching posts , the cat ignores it and goes for the furniture.♥ 1source record 5038
Fur. It's the fucking fur. Never again (had 2-5 cats at a time for years).♥ 5source record 5076
Cat piss, litter tracking, getting all over the counters, litter boxes, being loud in the middle of the night, having to be mindful of the furniture you get from clawing The list goes on, sincerely an owner of multiple cats♥ 1source record 5107
The 10% for me is at 4am when she stands directly on my kidneys and bites me until I feed her breakfast. Which isn't meant to be until 5am so there's a full hour of pouncing on organs, and if I lock her out of the bedroom, scratching at at the door and meowing. Then she curls back up and sleeps with me until I get up between 5-6am.♥ 1source record 5109
For what it is worth, I had casts most of my life until that point. They were the first two (and tbh I think it was just one of them) that ever behaved that way. But it was traumatic enough that I swore cats off forever. At least if a dog has an accident, it's confined to the floor. I'm not finding that shit on top of the fridge or in a cabinet.♥ 1source record 5110
honestly, just the vet bills and fur. my cats luckily dont really get hairballs but my older boy does puke a lot due to ibd. (we're working on it and he's getting better) but the furniture scratching is mitigated with scratching posts and the litter is almost completely eliminated if you get a litter robot. imo, owning a cat is 1000 times easier than owning a dog, altho i do like dogs.♥ 1source record 5111
Kittens are really crazy but I think their cuteness overwhelms their craziness. For some reason I just don’t feel that same way when it comes to puppies and human babies. They can be very very cute and you can love them very very much but the number of times a day that a kitten will make me go 🥹. So they get away with a lot more lol Foals even 10x worse tbh. And a spoiled foal can be very bratty!♥ 1source record 5112
Agree. My cat has become an expert at making the loudest noises possible tough. Not just VERY loud meowing, but also banging hard against doors and appliances that are loose, so making the door hit the doorframe loudly and stuff, while meowing. Just because he hates when I sleep in and wants me to wake up. He doesn't even want me to get up and feed him or anything, he literally just wants me to not be sleeping anymore. As soon as I'm awake, even if I stay in bed, he calms down and is happy. He's more stressed right now because of a move and stuff though. Cute little devil, love him to death.♥ 1source record 5113
One of my cats tries his damn best. Little dudes meows sounds like a colic-y newborn baby. We adopted him from a cat hoarder whose husband said that particular cat had to go first. Thirty cats, this woman had, and he was the most annoying 😭♥ 1source record 5114
Nah cats are like 90% suck. Dogs are way better.♥ 0source record 5134
Cats walk across your freaking kitchen counter sprinkling kitty litter along the way. Not to mention having them shit in your home. Dogs at least do it outside.♥ -6source record 5136
My cats never go on the counter because I don’t let them and they learned plus there is nothing I keep there to attract them. When you see that it’s a matter of poor training.♥ 11source record 5137
You can train your cat not to go on the kitchen counter. None of my cat ever did. But a lot of people just don't teach anything to their cat ...♥ 22source record 5138
It's very hard to train cats to stay off the counter. Also, not hard to just cleaning your counter before you cook.♥ 14source record 5139
This will widely vary based on the cat. Some are more receptive than others, and some are bigger explorers or bigger jumpers. My current cat is a huge explorer and will find any cave, but NEVER goes on a counter because she seems afraid to jump onto something that high up.♥ 2source record 5140
I meant to train them not to come while you yourself are in the same room, not at night or something. But I think a lot of dogs disobey while their owner isn't there too. I've had three cats and none or them went on the counter while I was there, nor the table. I know some cats who would never learn but I also think a lot *would* learn but they owner just don't ever really try.♥ 2source record 5141
There's a lot I would do differently if I started over with a new kitten, knowing now how difficult it is to carve a rotisserie chicken with cats who love to beg. But my cat that is highly intelligent is also *extremely* food motivated, so training him to stay away from food is literally impossible. I've taught him tricks, but that's all I can manage. My other cat is less food motivated but way too dumb to train 😆♥ 1source record 5142
I've never understood the criticism about cats being gross because they poop in the house. Do you not also poop in your house?♥ 31source record 5143
Yeah this is weird. Cats are one of the cleanest animals in the world. both my cats clean their paws very often and their butt! haha♥ 7source record 5144
Yes! They smell great, and given that their poo and pee are so heinous, that means you know they're doing great at keeping themselves tidy. Whenever i see my cat licking his butt, I thank him.♥ 3source record 5145
They smell great? I’ve never walked into a cat owners home that didn’t smell like a litter box.♥ 2source record 5146
Probably because they don't clean their litter box. I clean it every week with proper soap and replace the litter too. I spend just a bit more to have a clean house. I think it also helps to have an air purifier (which every pet owner should have imo). Maybe you gotta meet people who actually take care of their cats properly lol♥ 4source record 5149
If someone’s house smells like a litter box, that’s on the owner for being gross. That’s like never flushing the toilet, that shit is gonna stank if you let it accumulate.♥ 3source record 5150
It's the cat litter being tracked around because it sticks to their paws.♥ 2source record 5152
Yes, but I don't walk through it and then walk on every surface of the house, including countertops. No hate against kitties, but that argument is not comparing apples to apples.♥ 0source record 5153
folks just fine with an angry cat and scratched to hell furniture I guess...♥ 0source record 5164
Tons of praise for cats, though. Which still fits because they all can easily negclect their cat without it getting annoying. They just set up a shitbox and lock it outside when the cats get noisy. now it's everyone else's problem and they can get back to being a chud without responsibility. Imagine how crazy it would be if people treated dogs like cats, just throwing the dogs outside unleashed when they don't wanna deal with their pets.♥ 1source record 5227
And just because YOU manage to take care of your cats well doesn’t mean a majority of owners even do it to the same capacity. Everything you described is not what I would call low maintenance. Cats just have different needs. They’re still companions that need to be taken care of, and so many people don’t do it adequately because of this “low maintenance/you don’t actually have to care for cats” nonsense.♥ 0source record 5232
Now imagine someone with a dog that does the same exact thing. You end up with a dog jumping on everyone, barking all the time, being aggressive among other things. Perhaps your focus should be on dog owners since so many are irresponsible. I've never seen a cat take a shit in a grocery store but I've certain seen dogs pee and poop while shopping. While cats do require some maintenance they're certainly lower maintenance than dogs.♥ 5source record 5233
Again it just fully depends on your specific cat. It's not a species thing, animals just have different personalities. For example I just housesat for a 90lb pit bull and a teeny tiny outdoor-liking cat. Guess which was more work? The cat, who wanted to go in/outside 50x a day, wanted to receive unlimited snacks, and craved so much attention that I had to actively start seeking time to myself because she stalked me around. Doggo just laid there almost the entire time. If he wanted to play he'd go play with his own toys or on two occasions go dig in his hole. I could *not* get him to engage with me physically, and I really wanted him to. Extremely laid back dog.♥ 1source record 5281
So that's where people are wrong. Cats don't just entertain themselves. They don't require walks outside but for every walk you would give your dog, your cat deserves interactive playtime with its human. This is what I mean by cats are just easier to neglect because people don't realize they're doing it. They don't research having a cat. They just think oh I'll feed it and pet it sometimes and it takes care of itself. Watch jackson Galaxy's YouTube channel and see what I mean.♥ 2source record 5321
The only needs that don't involve you are basic grooming. Without you, their poop piles up in the litter box and they become depressed. They just don't outwardly show it the same way dogs do because dogs have been communicating with humans for much longer.♥ 5source record 5323
Yea. But you failed to answer how cats are more independent than dogs. You still have to feed them. You still have to take them to the vet. You pick up their shit every day.♥ 2source record 5325
Im thinking dat you are so right. Cats don't say anything but a lot of them are neglected.♥ 2source record 5326
I can never own a cat. Not only because my allergies prevent me but I lived with a part time cat. Very sweet cat but it peed in stress on the walls, clawed at me for pizza (cat absolutely loved dominos and would get at you to your pizza) and the litter box made my allergies go even more nuts. The cat also had a sensitive stomach and constantly threw up everywhere (I will die on the hill to say cat vomit is so much more nastier than dog, the smell takes you out everytime) They also wanted to go inside/outside constantly (my dog had a doggie door to go in and out and the second I let the cat out it wanted to come back in again) They also ripped up my chair/couch. I grew up with dogs so it was my first time with a cat and I wouldn’t own or live with a cat again. Sorry cat lovers.♥ -2source record 5357
Sure but dogs shed too, usually even more in general because of the size and breed. Also what about the shit and drool? It’s the fucking large steaming pile of shit and drool (owned several dogs in childhood, as an adult, cat all the way).♥ 1source record 5409

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Selected comments from the discussion

This export carries real like counts and timestamps. The first 18 are the most resonant on-topic top-level comment from each stage of the discussion, ranked by resonance within their arrival-time cohort so later arrivals are not penalised for having had less time to accumulate likes. The last 6 received no likes at all and were chosen for the specificity of what they describe.

The hardest part of dog ownership is that even if you do everything right, some other jerk can let their aggressive dog attack your leashed dog and now you have a reactive dog that can barely be in public and will never trust another dog again.
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Those are easy ones. Wait until you want to go in a vacation, or for your logical brain to meet your emotional brain when the dog needs $10,000 in treatment at 10 years old.
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It's kinda telling you made no mention of actual training.
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Dogs smell so bad and make everything so dirty. They just don't belong as pets.
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Love my bulldog, our second one after our last one passed away in 2015. Likely our last dog for a long time if ever again. Traveling is difficult (and costly to find someone to watch her), the shedding, the food expense, vet bills, insurance, etc.
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Dogs are fantastic. Dog owners….meh. It’s 50/50.
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Just train your damn dogs. My dog is trained to go to the bathroom in a specific section of the back yard. Never had to worry about walking barefoot in the back yard. My girl is also trained to not eat stuff off the floor. Hasnt stopped her from occasionally getting to stuff, but it happens extremely rarely. And for the clinginess, you just need to train the basic control commands. I can tell my dog to leave the room and she will. Dogs are only bad when you dont give them the tools to succeed and if you cant do that then you probably shouldnt own a dog.
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Wait until you have kids 😵‍💫
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Yup... owning a dog is like having perpetual 2-3 yr old. owning a cat is like having a perpetual 13 yr old.
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A cat is the closest thing to the best cost/benefit pet
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Lol this guy aint dogging right. I had to stop reading after the shitpocolypse in OPs own back yard. Its why most of us walk them 😅
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Yeah you're supposed to pick the dog shit up, not just go outside and stand all over it.
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This is why I'll never want a pet idc if it's unpopular. Non-negotiable for a future marriage.
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Every time I fall in love with a dog, my husband reminds me why we have a cat. We don’t want this type of responsibility. The cat fits our lifestyle, and we fit the cat’s lifestyle. Been going on 14 years with my sweet kitty, with the biggest challenge being he likes to attack the vet. Gotta drug him. This thread is helping me get over the mini husky I saw this morning.
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can't relate at all actually
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Had dogs all my life. My last dog is still my phone’s lock screen and she passed back in 2019. Got my first ever cat in 2023, don’t think I can ever go back to getting a dog. She cuddles in bed with me, has to be within 3ft of me, greets me at the door when I get home from work, and ran for help when I suffered a patellar dislocation while I was up on a ladder. All things I’d expect a dog to do, except that she doesn’t need to go on walks and only needs company to eat, so I can go on vacation as long as my buddy is available to stop by every day after work (my place is on the way to his home) and sit with her watching tv for an hour or two. Even my leopard gecko can go up to two months without my direct involvement thanks to the setup i put together
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The part I hate is every owner thinks their dog is so cute, we love your dog. It’s not. We don’t. Pick up their shit and keep moving. Losers
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I love my dog but I grew up with dogs and they match my lifestyle. I love nature, exercising, and walking around town. If you are a homebody I could see why having a dog feels like a chore. The breed also matters. I have a golden retriever. He was easy to train and after the first six months I didn’t have to worry about potty training or him destroying my things. He knows to play with his toys. He’s eaten some questionable things over the years but his body seems to figure out how to process it. I’ve only ever had to take him for routine vaccinations and one time he got Lyme disease. But that’s because I like to take him hiking. I can take my dog on vacation because I like outdoor things that dogs can come on, or I have my parents nearby if he can’t come. I know people with adopted mix breed dogs or some of the more agressive breeds and they sound like nightmares. What you were saying. Expensive, reactive, hard to train. I think dogs are great if you can put in the time upfront to train them and research the different breed and personalities. I love my dog and have no regrets.
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As a long time dog owner who loves her dogs, you ain't wrong. There's also the issue that you can't just go out for the night and not worry about them- we don't leave our dogs alone for more than a few hours at a time so someone has to check in on them and let out/feed them. Same as the work day- someone in our family goes home every day at lunch to let them out. They have to stay in kennels while alone or they will do very stupid and destructive things. My dogs are greyhounds; they have a high prey drive and are wicked fast, but also have very thin, fragile skin and are easily hurt. They can never be off leash in an un-gated area, and they want to eat anything smaller than them. One of them will eat things he shouldn't just for attention. The other one will tear the house apart if there is a fly in there- she will literally climb the walls to try to catch it. They like to eat a lot of grass and then throw it up. I love them so much. They're very much worth it, but it can be a lot sometimes. I also love the breed, but I'm working on convincing my husband that our next dog should be small. I want something I can pick up and take with me, something a more manageable size that doesn't pose so much of a risk to itself and other animals.
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Honestly, I love animals, but dogs especially are such g/d money drains. I had sworn them off before meeting my now wife, who came with a staffy.. a staffy that has a million allergies, needs special (expensive) food, needs bi-weekly allergy (expensive) shots, can’t play at a normal dog park and needs a special dog free one at a time (expensive) park, likes to grow barely 2mm (expensive) tiny random moles that need to be removed.. it’s insane. I told her, after this, we get the muttiest-mut that ever existed, like so deeply mutt-ed that it can’t possibly have any health issues other than old age someday, because it’s so deeply cross bred and found in a dumpster-ish that it will live to 27 out of spite and ugliness on nothing more than grass, dollar store dog food, and carpet crumbs. Because jfc dogs are so stupidly expensive.
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Every complaint you have just reinforces one thing thoroughly. You have no idea how to train a dog. Dogs only freely shit in yards if you let them. Dogs only eat whatever they want if you let them. Dogs only hit you with nonstop clinginess and aggressive play if you let them. All of these inconveniences can be rectified but you clearly have no idea how to do it, which is to be expected because you don't have any experience or training. So it's fair. But man, it's crazy to me how many people willingly bring an animal into their homes and then just expect it to *be* the way they want. That doesn't work with children either btw...you sort of have to educate them and teach them lessons otherwise they'll tear your house apart and shit everywhere too.
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Owning a dog is crazy responsibility that at least half of dog owner do poorly. I have 3 dogs. 2 rotties and a German shepherd. My German Shepard is a special needs dog because she's diagnosed megaesophagus disease. the details her eating routine trying to take care of her is hard. our first vet with diagnosis at to he time she was just over a year or so old. Said to put her down because quality of life isn't great. She's about 8.5 now. the amount of learning we had to do on our own about her disease because our vet office also didn't have a clue how to treat was mind boggling. She's nicknamed the 50,000 dollar dog. We don't know the exact number we have paid in3ds, vet visits, etc. but she ain't cheap. I would rather have a kid.
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Sounds like owning THAT dog fucking sucks. Get any mix of pug and you get an easy going dog that you can walk a few times a day and cleanup after then when you know they're doing business and can be safely left alone in the house while at work without fear of anything getting damaged or pottied on. I wouldn't ever want a bigger dog because they require so much more training to ensure they'resafe around other and would need much longer and more frequent walks if I'm taking good care of them. Also certain breeds just need/want more attention. TLDR; different breeds act differently, you really want to spend a little time researching before just blind purchasing a dog as the requirements and results will vary.
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Since birth, my house has always had at least one cat consecutively. I dog sit for friends very frequently and it further confirms to me that cats are elite for multiple reasons. Dogs smell musty. They have to be let out multiple times a day to pee or poop. The barking 😳. Jumping. Licking at maximum volume. Up your ass with their nose and sniffing when you return back to the home. Every. Single. Time. Not one dog I've watched has been good on a leash. Panting and drooling. Wirey fur shedding that weaves its way into every fiber. And that's as someone who doesn't own a dog. The pet food and vet bills would solidify that I'm just not a future dog owner. Love them from afar and when I get paid to watch them.
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How the discussion breaks down

Relative volume of distinct source-backed records across every reviewed category in this corpus.

The other side of the argument

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What people said actually worked

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Saying it out loud

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The mess

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Health, old age and the end

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The schedule that never lets up

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The household, the housing and everyone else

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What a dog actually cost, in figures

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When the dog becomes unmanageable

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The noise

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Which costs the thread actually named, and what it argued about

The question worth putting to a thread like this is not whether owning a dog is hard, which nobody here disputes, but which specific costs people name when they are allowed to say it out loud — and what, if anything, they say made those costs smaller. Every quotation below is a commenter's own words, reproduced exactly and attributed to its source record. None of it is verified beyond that: these are personal reports, including the veterinary and behavioural claims commenters make at each other.

The costliest thing in this corpus is not the dog. It is another dog. The most-upvoted comment in the whole thread is “The hardest part of dog ownership is that even if you do everything right, some other jerk can let their aggressive dog attack your leashed dog and now you have a reactive dog that can barely be in public and will never trust another dog again.” — and 79 records answer it with the same story. A further 27 describe what that leaves you with afterwards, which is where the real cost sits: boarding kennels that will not take the dog, walks moved to the middle of the night, and training bills that do not fix it. One commenter's arithmetic is explicit: “My sweet 3 year old dog, was attacked by an unleashed Rottweiler. He has never been the same dog. He’s reactive and I can’t find people who can watch him. A house with no dog that like watching your dog — are like a unicorn and charge a bomb. Paying $45/day to boarding, I am looking at $75-120/day. It’s annoying. Even after we have worked with trainer for 14 weeks, he’s less reactive on leash. But he said never leave him with another dog. He has a fight or flight response!”

The money is specific. 228 records are about cost, and the recurring figures are not the ones people expect. The thread's second-most-upvoted comment sets the frame — “Those are easy ones. Wait until you want to go in a vacation, or for your logical brain to meet your emotional brain when the dog needs $10,000 in treatment at 10 years old.” — but the monthly totals underneath are what accumulate. One owner itemises it: “I essentially feed my dog money. He has really bad allergies, needs lots of walks (lots), constant ear infections, needs medication that is $100 a month, and special food that is $90 a month. When we go away it's like $400 for someone to watch him. His annual visits are about $300 for all his shots and stuff. He is addicted to greenies so god forbid we don't give one to him at 8PM. Because of his allergies, he needs grooming all the time too which is about $100 lol I will love him and be by his side until the very end, because he is so loyal to my wife and I, but I could only imagine life being cheaper and less complicated once he passes. He has been through so much with us. He is 9 now. I love that dog so much though. I'd do anything for him, but I truly understand.” Another totals it up as “It’s a lot of cash too if you want to take care of them well. I spend $800 a month on my dog averaged out over the course of a year. This includes pet insurance, a savings fund (I gradually lower the pet insurance amount and increase savings amount as pet insurance sky rockets), yearly vet visit with blood work and teeth cleaning, gps dog collar yearly subscription, food and treats. I do his grooming/ bathing and we have family to watch him otherwise that would add on even more. It’s overkill sure, but I don’t have kids and having him has helped my depression and anxiety immensely so he’s worth it. But it’s wild to think he’s a whole ass nice car payment every month 🙃” The insurance argument is the only genuinely two-sided practical debate in the corpus, and it is argued in numbers on both sides: “Did the math and realized I was going to likely be burning money by getting pet insurance but never wanted to deal with the mental gymnastics of deciding between treatment and saving money.”

The thread's biggest fight is about picking up faeces, and it is not really about faeces. 131 records treat it as the daily grind of dog ownership; 107 reply that this is a solved problem — “They have this great new invention for backyard poop. It’s called walking your dog.” — and 66 more argue that a dog using its own garden is a symptom of a dog that is not being walked. Underneath, 36 records reread the original complaint as a medical one. The counter-argument is answered once, plainly: “No amount of training will change the fact that your new routine will include picking up shit at least twice a day for 10 years.” and once from the other direction: “I mean my dog has a doggy door and free access to poop when he pleases. Not everyone is available 24/7 to pick up their dogs shit the second they go. What a ridiculous comment.”

The largest single counter-argument — 254 records saying this is an untrained dog rather than a dog — concedes its own point more often than it realises. One of its supporters puts the cost back in: “Agreed. And why is that? Because training your dog takes a lot of time and effort. And some dogs don’t take to it as well, either. So the “just” in there is just months or years of concerted effort.” And a separate group of records reports doing all of it and getting nowhere anyway: “We put 3k into training and the dog is still clingy af, counter surfs, and barks at everything. Sometimes training doesn't help. 😂”

What people said worked is narrower than what they said was wrong. 173 records come down to matching the breed to the life you already have, and 110 take the further step of recommending somebody else's dog. The concrete fixes are small and specific — “Re: the multi-poops, try adding a teaspoon of psyllium husk and a cup of water to her food. Fixed my husky’s poop problems almost overnight. As a bonus the water slows them down and prevents bloating” — and the honest ones name what they did not solve: “Thank you for the suggestion (genuinely). She is on Prozac and it does make a huge difference in her anxiety, but not enough to eliminate her reactivity. She had a fair amount of anxiety before being attacked (she’s a rescue and I’m certain experienced abuse), but was at least well socialized with other dogs. I’ve talked to her vet about some additional meds or alternatives, but we’ve (vet and I) decided Prozac is her best bet for right now. The treat bombing I may give a shot. She’s not super food/treat motivated, but it can’t hurt to try.”

And the conclusion is remarkably consistent. 111 records say they will not get another dog, almost always while still keeping the one they have; 140 more are readers deciding, in public, not to start. The senior years and the ending are why: 62 records describe the care an old dog needs and 66 describe the decision that follows it, several of them naming relief in the same sentence as grief. The single most repeated reply in the corpus is to get a cat instead (236 records give an actual reason for it), and 113 records answer that with the same complaints in a different animal.

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The working unit is a comment record, not a person and not a distinct problem. All 5471 canonical comments from this one thread (2935 top-level, 2536 replies) were read thread by thread and each was assigned to exactly one answer card or one exclusion bucket.

4131 records report a specific cost of dog ownership or dispute that the cost is the dog's fault, and all 4131 appear in the complete index below. The other 1340 break down as jokes, puns and meme replies that report nothing (400), insults and dismissals with nothing reported (289), bare agreement, applause and emoji (165), questions and requests put to another commenter (109), cat-care tangents that never return to dogs (92), one-line “get a cat” replies with no reason attached (90), comments about the subreddit, the thread or its upvotes (40), conversational asides inside somebody else's story (33), off-topic tangents (33), a sub-thread about human assisted dying and healthcare politics (32), breed-politics arguments with no ownership cost reported (31), an argument about whether dogs are better than people (17), records removed, deleted or unreadable (8), and one moderator bot notice (1).

Cards are grouped by what the burden IS, not by breed. A corgi that barks and a beagle that barks are the same answer; a five-figure surgery and a $500-a-month prescription are two shapes of the same one. Corrections stay in the card of the answer they correct.

The thread's counter-arguments are cards, not exclusions. 254 records argue this is an untrained dog rather than a dog, 107 that the mess is solved by picking it up, 236 that a cat was the right pet — and 113 answer that last one with the same complaints in a different animal. They are reported beside the answers they dispute rather than filed away.

4131 counts classified comment records, not distinct problems; the thread named 49 distinct burdens plus 13 running arguments about its own premise. Repeats were deliberately kept: 131 records are about picking up after the dog and 79 about the same reactive-dog story, and each stays its own row.

This thread is from r/unpopularopinion and includes people describing regret, rehoming and euthanasia. Those records are reported with their source IDs and in their own words. They are not endorsed, corrected or moralised at, in either direction, and the commenters who disagree that a dog is a burden are kept in the same index rather than removed from it.

Upvote counts are the raw numbers as captured. The first hour of this thread holds 34.1% of all its upvotes, so ranking by raw upvotes would mostly rank arrival time; the cards below are ordered by how many records they hold, not by popularity.

Nothing here is verified. Costs, diagnoses, medication names, training claims and breed claims are what commenters typed at each other, quoted exactly and attributed to a source record. Read it as a record of what one crowd reported, not as veterinary or financial advice.

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