A dark-psychology thread, read from the receiving end
The Manipulation Tactics People Say Were Used On Them
Start from the pattern, not from the label
The tactic this thread keeps circling is intermittent reinforcement - warmth delivered unpredictably and then withdrawn - and most of the records that describe it in any detail come from people it was used on rather than from people using it. Read the pattern you recognise first, then the records on spotting it early, leaving, and the commenters who argue the whole premise is overstated.
- Push-pull: the unpredictable-reward cycle
- Love bombing and the withdrawal that follows
- Gaslighting and manufactured self-doubt
- Everyday influence moves in sales and conversation
- Spotting it early
- Getting out, and how long it takes
- Where the thread argued back
Push-pull: the unpredictable-reward cyclePush-pull: the unpredictable-reward cycle — 11 records
Why unpredictable reward creates obsessionCommenters keep reaching for the same comparison: a slot machine, a lever, a reward that arrives often enough to keep you pressing.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Why unpredictable reward creates obsession
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Why unpredictable reward creates obsession
Appears when: Someone's warmth, approval or attention arrives on no schedule you can predict.
What the pattern means: Four commenters arrive at the same explanation from different directions: it is the unpredictability, not the reward, that does the work. A response that comes sometimes and cannot be forecast produces more chasing than one that comes every time, which is why three of the four reach for a gambling machine as the comparison rather than for anything relational.
What commenters described: It's a reinforcement schedule. The same one slot machines use. It takes over your brain chemistry. If you can be a human slot machine to someone, it can be extremely addictive. Look it up yourself, I'm not going to explain more.
Limit: None of the four describes testing this; one explicitly declines to explain further. The mechanism is passed along as received knowledge, and the machine comparison is an analogy commenters found useful, not a measurement.
Counterpoint: The most technical record in the group draws a distinction the rest of the thread skips: a slot machine is variable ratio, not variable interval, so what cannot be predicted is which attempt pays rather than when.
What the replies added2
Thank you for introducing this concept to me. I am healing from a relationship where I fell hard for potential over reality and the inconsistency of the situation left me feeling insecure. Now that I’ve done some research on the topic I have faith in my ability to recognize and end this in future endeavors and truly seek the love and consistency I desire. This truly just unlocked something for me, thank you seriously 💗
Whew boy, lemme tell you, this one has effed me up real good. 11 months post breakup and Im not fully healed, maybe halfway at this point. It had/has me questioning so many things. I mustve been a villain in a past life to have warranted her scorn.
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Push pull in relationships. Variable intermittent reinforcement is the most powerful reinforcement schedule. It causes extreme obsession. But it will really mess people up, be nice to people.
Imagine a mouse pressing a bar for food. Fixed ratio means every 5th time the bar is pressed, food is released. Fixed interval means once every five seconds that the bar is pressed, food is released. Variable ratio means 20% of the time, but not exactly every fifth time, food is released. Variable interval means on average once every five seconds the bar is pressed, but not exactly every fifth second, food is released. Slot machines are most akin to variable ratio. Play often enough, and you'll win, but you can't predict exactly which time.
Its the exact same principle poker machines are programmed with. Rewards/ wins are given out at irregular moments in time, but within a certain time frame, otherwise the subject loses interest. Its the anticipation and 'excitement' that builds off desperately wanting this reward and the state this wanting puts a person in. Its a built-in human response that keeps us primed to keep chasing after a perceived reward or thing of value. Evolutionary speaking it keeps the organism hunting for berries even in times of scarcity because 'ya know, if I keep looking there might be even more berries just over the hill'.
What the counts show
Across 4 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Create a default” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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Observable tactic structures
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What it looks like between two peopleThe same schedule described in ordinary relationship terms - affection given sometimes, withheld the rest of the time, for no stated reason.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: What it looks like between two people
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What it looks like between two people
Appears when: You are trying to work out what you did differently on the days they were warm.
What the pattern means: Translated out of laboratory vocabulary the pattern is ordinary and very hard to name from inside it: effort acknowledged sometimes and ignored otherwise, affection withdrawn for no stated reason and returned without explanation. Two records use animal-training analogies precisely because the point is that the target cannot deduce the rule - there is not one.
What commenters described: The manipulation that the higher partner has in a trauma bond. The push and pull, the you’re a peice of shit to I love you so much within the same day. Keep chasing who they were in the beginning
Limit: One record in this group presents the same move approvingly, as dating advice about staying the more desired partner. That is how the pattern travels: framed as competence rather than as cruelty.
What the replies added2
My bipolar disorder causes me to exhibit this behavior with my girlfriend, and it sucks because it is almost entirely out of my control and has the same affect on her.
Yes but if you’re having to think this way about a relationship, it’s probably already toxic.
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The manipulation that the higher partner has in a trauma bond. The push and pull, the you’re a peice of shit to I love you so much within the same day. Keep chasing who they were in the beginning
This. Also, if you’re going to play the game, make sure you mostly pull instead of pushing. Neediness is never attractive and you always want to be perceived as the prize no matter what.
In dog training, it'd be like randomly beating it and giving it treats for no reason. It has no idea what the fuck you expect it to do to avoid the beatings or earn the treats. It goes neurotic. In humans withholding/giving affection arbitrarily achieves the same ends.
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Within 4 source records, 0 ask a question and 1 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome.
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Living inside the cycleFirst-hand accounts of what the pattern did while it was still running, including going back repeatedly and editing out the bad parts.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Living inside the cycle
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Living inside the cycle
Appears when: You have already left, or keep leaving, and cannot explain to yourself why you went back.
What the pattern means: What these three add to the mechanism is the part invisible from outside: the person inside the cycle is doing some of the work. One describes screening out the bad and keeping only the good, one describes going back repeatedly because being away hurt more, and the third names the exit as drug withdrawal rather than as a decision.
What commenters described: My ex did this to me. I always felt uncertain and anxious about the relationship because I was denying and blocking out the bad stuff and only focusing on the good.
Limit: These are single retrospective accounts written after the relationships ended, and the longest of them says the diagnosis it mentions came from a professional and the rest of the reading came afterwards.
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My ex did this to me cause he had disorganized attachment style(diagnosed by a professional not by me). It was insane. Worst break up ever. Hardest thing to get over. I was obsessed for a long time. And I went back to him so many times cause the pain and anxiety was overwhelming and agonizing from the dynamics. The funniest part is that after we finally split he told me one of the things he hated about us was the push pull dynamic. And he dead ass blamed me for it 100%. I’m currently dating a secure person rn and there’s zero push pull. Zero. And I’ve never had push pull in any other relationships before besides one with a person with bpd. But yet my ex deadass blames me and only me when the dynamic was solely him and I was the only one who ever put an end to it. It was fucked up though. Horrible experience. And now that I’m past the obsession it caused I can see clearly just how toxic he was and how it’ll never change cause he doesn’t think he has anything to fix cause he blames me and not himself. But yeah extremely powerful dynamic and it really messed me up.
My ex did this to me. I always felt uncertain and anxious about the relationship because I was denying and blocking out the bad stuff and only focusing on the good.
AKA to me it means a trauma bond. Like withdrawing off a damn drug
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Love bombing and the withdrawal that followsLove bombing and the withdrawal that follows — 11 records
What love bombing looks like at the startDescribed not as clumsy flattery but as complete, flattering attention that is genuinely pleasant to be inside.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: What love bombing looks like at the start
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What love bombing looks like at the start
Appears when: Someone new is paying you more complete attention than anyone has in years.
What the pattern means: The thread's most useful correction about love bombing is that it does not present as flattery or neediness. Two commenters describe it as absorbed, undivided interest that assembles an unusually good version of you and hands it back. Nothing about the opening phase is unpleasant or clumsy, which is exactly what makes it hard to flag while it is happening.
What commenters described: Desperation says " look at me I'm not that bad I have... Qualities... Please like me and tell me I'm good enough" love bombing says " wow you are really interesting, you are special, you are unique, tell me more, I'm entranced, you have caught me, wonderful me, like a moth to a flame." It's more than words though it's authentically focusing on a person and building the best possible identity of them interactively. It's letting them see the overwhelmingly positive way you see them through your eyes.
Limit: The third record in this group names it only as one word in a three-item list. The description here comes from two commenters answering a question about it, not from anyone claiming to have observed it systematically.
Counterpoint: Both descriptions are written from the point of view of someone performing it well, and the thread never resolves whether genuine intense interest and the tactic are distinguishable at the time they are happening.
What the replies added2
~~Sounds like love bombing is more of a positive thing, yes?~~ Although, I could see it as a negative if it’s one-sided (ie. a stalker or celebrity worship). Maybe the poster who listed it as a negative is thinking of how it could be used insincerely to manipulate someone into a bad relationship?
Would you please elaborate more? I don’t understand what you mean by the difference of hyper fixation and desperate🤔
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Love Bombing, Gaslighting, Mirroring.
Desperation says " look at me I'm not that bad I have... Qualities... Please like me and tell me I'm good enough" love bombing says " wow you are really interesting, you are special, you are unique, tell me more, I'm entranced, you have caught me, wonderful me, like a moth to a flame." It's more than words though it's authentically focusing on a person and building the best possible identity of them interactively. It's letting them see the overwhelmingly positive way you see them through your eyes.
Good love bombing is a hyper fixation it's not begging you for something or trying to be desperate. It's a burning interest in the other person, it's focusing 100 percent on them and making them feel noticed appreciated and liked
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The withdrawal is what gives it powerCommenters draw the line at the same place: it is the taking-away, not the giving, that makes the opening phase a tactic.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: The withdrawal is what gives it power
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The withdrawal is what gives it power
Appears when: The attention you had at the start has quietly stopped and you are working to get it back.
What the pattern means: This is where the thread settles an argument it had been having with itself: the opening flood is not the tactic, the removal is. Four records converge on the same shape - saturation, then a deliberate withdrawal that leaves the target working to restore it - and this is also the point at which love bombing and the push-pull cycle turn out to be one mechanism described from two ends.
What commenters described: Well it's not ongoing, it's an initial euphoric hit of it and then they carefully withdraw it to keep you desperate for it. Push and pull with variable reward reinforcement.
Limit: One record ties the whole sequence to a specific personality diagnosis. That is an attribution rather than an observation, and the behaviour described stands without it.
Counterpoint: The commenter who arrives at the clearest definition does so by asking rather than asserting, and the uncertainty is honest: the opening behaviour is only identifiable as the tactic once the second half has happened.
What the replies added2
I’ve been through this. Worst pain of my life, it will traumatize you genuinely. Especially since in my case it ended in them cheating
Im so glad I recognized when someone was trying to do this to me. She turned out to be very unwell and scary and I dodged that shiz like Neo in the Matrix.
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Love bombing/discard cycle. Classic BPD behaviour. Hook you via support and overwhelming affection/compassion. Make you feel special, teach you to trust them to be there for you. Then, do a 180, start being indifferent, or even cruel\*. Keep the pressure on by giving the target zero clues to predict behaviour, stretch it out to increase their emotional stress. then, give them a little niceness for a week or so, before reverting to cruel. Done properly, the target will put up with nearly anything, as long as you toss them a bone once in a while. \* The mark of a master is knowing what will destabilize the target most - active cruelty/hostility, or indifference. Or maybe a mix. Easy peasy.
Think of it as fattening the pig so you can eat it
Yea It's wonderful until they take it away.
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Within 5 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome.
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Not just romance, and nobody is exemptReports of the same sequence outside dating, and a direct dispute over whether anyone is naturally immune to it.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Not just romance, and nobody is exempt
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Not just romance, and nobody is exempt
Appears when: You are new to a group, a congregation or a workplace and the welcome is unusually warm.
What the pattern means: Two records move the pattern out of dating entirely, arguing that an organisation can run it better than a person can because acceptance by a whole community is a larger reward than acceptance by one. The claim that nobody is immune is asserted rather than evidenced, but the more useful half - that people actively looking for meaning are more exposed, not less - is where the disagreement lands. The one first-hand outcome in this group reports lasting harm rather than embarrassment.
What commenters described: Incorrect. Seekers are even more susceptible. Love isn’t limited to romance. All religions and cults love bomb new members. The acceptance & support of an entire community is even more intoxicating than being love bombed by just one puny person
Limit: This is one commenter contradicting another about whether monks are exempt, and neither side offers anything beyond assertion. The group-scale claim is a plausible extension of the pattern, not a documented one.
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Love bombing. No one is immune.
Incorrect. Seekers are even more susceptible. Love isn’t limited to romance. All religions and cults love bomb new members. The acceptance & support of an entire community is even more intoxicating than being love bombed by just one puny person
I’ve been through this. Worst pain of my life, it will traumatize you genuinely. Especially since in my case it ended in them cheating
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Gaslighting and manufactured self-doubtGaslighting and manufactured self-doubt — 8 records
Cognitive dissonance as a state you get stuck inAccounts of the confusion itself as the damage: an unresolvable question about another person that turns into doubt about yourself.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Cognitive dissonance as a state you get stuck in
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Cognitive dissonance as a state you get stuck in
Appears when: You keep replaying the same conversation trying to make two versions of a person fit together.
What the pattern means: The damage these five describe is not a false belief but an unresolved question that will not close. The sequence they report is consistent: the confusion starts out being about the other person, then turns inward and becomes doubt about your own judgment, and from there it sustains itself with no further input. Two of the five report it still running more than a year after contact ended.
What commenters described: PTSD just from reading this comment. The whole situation was so hard to move on from because my brain is searching for a way to make sense of something that wasn’t logical to begin with.
Limit: Commenters here use cognitive dissonance and gaslighting loosely and almost interchangeably. The records describe the felt state precisely; they are not using the terms precisely.
What the replies added2
Yes, that sounds like the CD ( cog diss ) torture- keeping you in a state of confusion. Are they good? Are they bad? Do they mean it? Don’t they mean it? Do they care about me? Don’t they? What did I do? Then you even start having cognitive dissonance about yourself : Am I right am I wrong? Am I crazy and you start asking yourself the most obvious questions like if you would’ve done this or if anyone did this wouldn’t they have also done this etc. whatever and you conclude that there’s something wrong but you never take your own advice then you don’t trust yourself. On and on in the merry-go-round of cognitive dissonance I swear my eyes even start moving back-and-forth when I think about it
This was actually paralyzing. I basically rotted in this state for years engaged in almost every behavior possible that fostered Cognitive Dissonance and still gaslighted myself into believing i had a hold on my reality. Even when i was made aware of the condition (actually through the name of a song) and realized I was living in it, it still took an extreme shift in my social life, environment, basically everything had to change in my life for me to break this cycle. Still blows my mind how far gone I was but that made snapping back feel even better.
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Cognitive dissonance It’s a cage of illusions And you’re so confused you stop knowing who you are
PTSD just from reading this comment. The whole situation was so hard to move on from because my brain is searching for a way to make sense of something that wasn’t logical to begin with.
Pretty sure this is what happened to me, if I understand correctly. I was dating someone who was emotionally unavailable and she pushed me away by saying she wasn’t ready. She still texted me a lot/replied to all my stories, checked to see if I was on WhatsApp constantly (she admitted it once early on and also told me she only used the app to talk to me and she didn’t know I was looking to see if she was checking), tried in other ways to get my attention, admitted to rereading our text conversations, but in the end she said she had no feelings and never did. But, like, she did. Her actions didn’t match up with her words at all. And now I still overanalyze what the hell that was, over a year later.
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Within 5 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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Gaslighting used on purposeThe short, deliberate version - denying what was just said or done so the other person second-guesses their own senses.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Gaslighting used on purpose
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Gaslighting used on purpose
Appears when: Someone denies something you both just witnessed, calmly and without heat.
What the pattern means: Two records show the move at its smallest scale, which is where it is easiest to recognise: deny the thing that just happened, then express concern about the other person's perception of it. Both are told as workplace anecdotes rather than as abuse, and that is the detail worth noticing - the same move that produces years of confusion elsewhere in this article is here a petty office reprisal that took one sentence.
What commenters described: I did this once. A nasty coworker lost her mind because I had opened a thing of nail polish to fix a chipped nail. It was just one swipe of polish! But you'd thought I tried to gas her. She freaking out at our supervisor that I had must have opened nail polish at my desk and I was like "I don't smell anything. Are you ok? You might need to go to the doctor."
Limit: The third record escalates the technique deliberately, recommending a name chosen to produce guilt. It is written as instruction and is preserved here because recognising the script matters, not because the record is defensible.
What the replies added1
Lol she just recovered from pneumonia too 💀 could 100% use that to my advantage! Joyce has always hated me, I'm a little louder and have the audacity to laugh and have fun.
Source-record spotlights
Gaslighting and pathological lying
Call them by the wrong name and when they say excuse me? Act like you didn't call them that and they're imagining things. Especially if it's a name that triggers them, like someone they screwed over who is dead and they can't make amends with if you want to trigger guilt, for instance.
I did this once. A nasty coworker lost her mind because I had opened a thing of nail polish to fix a chipped nail. It was just one swipe of polish! But you'd thought I tried to gas her. She freaking out at our supervisor that I had must have opened nail polish at my desk and I was like "I don't smell anything. Are you ok? You might need to go to the doctor."
What the counts show
Within 3 source records, 2 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome.
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Power plays that keep one person a rung downPower plays that keep one person a rung down — 5 records
Small daily moves that establish rankWho replies slowly, who picks, whose taste gets criticised - ordinary decisions used to fix a difference in standing.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Small daily moves that establish rank
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Small daily moves that establish rank
Appears when: You notice that you reply instantly and they reply whenever.
What the pattern means: Neither record describes a single dramatic act. Both describe rank being set by a run of small asymmetries - response time, who chooses, whose taste gets corrected, who is reminded how sought-after the other one is. The shorter record states the rule the longer one illustrates, and adds the uncomfortable half: caring less can be practised deliberately.
What commenters described: Manipulate with words to make sure they are always „on top“, not replying to texts for a long time while you‘ll reply immediately because you are worried what‘s going on, being the decisive power (always deciding on which movie to watch/which music to listen to) - criticizing your choices, telling you how adored and popular they are. Basically just making sure that you are not on the same level and they are above you, classic narcissistic behavior. Endured it for a very long time before all of my friends started telling me what do you see in him while i thought he‘s the best, most handsome, amazing man on this planet. I was very naive, but learned a lesson for life. You should feel equal and respected in a relationship and also give your partner the same positive feeling:)
Limit: The detailed record is one person's account of a relationship that had already ended, assembled after friends intervened. It reads as a checklist because it was written in hindsight, not because it was noticed at the time.
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Manipulate with words to make sure they are always „on top“, not replying to texts for a long time while you‘ll reply immediately because you are worried what‘s going on, being the decisive power (always deciding on which movie to watch/which music to listen to) - criticizing your choices, telling you how adored and popular they are. Basically just making sure that you are not on the same level and they are above you, classic narcissistic behavior. Endured it for a very long time before all of my friends started telling me what do you see in him while i thought he‘s the best, most handsome, amazing man on this planet. I was very naive, but learned a lesson for life. You should feel equal and respected in a relationship and also give your partner the same positive feeling:)
Recognizing that the person who cares less about a relationship has more power in the relationship and conditions themselves to not care and anything.
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Leverage that makes leaving expensiveAn early mistake, the household income, a shared business or a public reputation, all described as things that hold someone in place.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Leverage that makes leaving expensive
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Leverage that makes leaving expensive
Appears when: You can list the reasons leaving would be complicated faster than the reasons to stay.
What the pattern means: These records describe power that is structural rather than conversational: an early mistake kept in permanent circulation, an income the other person depends on, a jointly owned business, and a public presentation managed so that outsiders read the wrong person as the problem. Each one converts leaving from a decision into a cost, and the middle record shows several of them operating together.
What commenters described: One makes a mistake in early relationship and the other, instead of forgiving and moving on, gets to use that thing as the reason why their opinions and feelings matter more in the relationship, for the rest of the relationship. One is the breadwinner but treats the other like shit, the other doubts themselves and doing anything about it because they don't want to be seen as 'ungrateful' the other brings in all the money/ keeps the family living comfortably
Limit: The most detailed record is written from inside an unresolved situation, by someone who says explicitly that they are still working out what to do. It is not a report of how anything turned out.
What the replies added2
I’m going through this now - the first year I kept myself drunk thinking everything was my fault bc of the alcohol - we are both sober now and I don’t think I’m the only problem. He has taken everything from me - I’m trying to figure out what to do. But I don’t feel my life is real right now. And it seems like everyone we (he and I) encounter don’t see it - he keeps it hidden so I look needy or incompetent…and we own a business together. I feel so trapped. Thank you for your comment - made me feel not so alone.
How does power play in relationship works? Can you elaborate please?
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Narcissistic abuse and power play in relationships. Made me question reality
One makes a mistake in early relationship and the other, instead of forgiving and moving on, gets to use that thing as the reason why their opinions and feelings matter more in the relationship, for the rest of the relationship. One is the breadwinner but treats the other like shit, the other doubts themselves and doing anything about it because they don't want to be seen as 'ungrateful' the other brings in all the money/ keeps the family living comfortably
I’m going through this now - the first year I kept myself drunk thinking everything was my fault bc of the alcohol - we are both sober now and I don’t think I’m the only problem. He has taken everything from me - I’m trying to figure out what to do. But I don’t feel my life is real right now. And it seems like everyone we (he and I) encounter don’t see it - he keeps it hidden so I look needy or incompetent…and we own a business together. I feel so trapped. Thank you for your comment - made me feel not so alone.
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Everyday influence moves in sales and conversationEveryday influence moves in sales and conversation — 11 records
The small ask before the big oneThe compliance ladder, named by commenters in both directions and reported as routine practice in sales and charity work.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: The small ask before the big one
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The small ask before the big one
Appears when: A conversation opens with a question that seems too small to refuse.
What the pattern means: This is the only tactic in the thread that a commenter reports using themselves, in daylight, as part of a job. Two directions are described: escalate from a trivial request until the real one no longer looks large, or open with something unreasonable so that the real request reads as a concession. Two of the three records place it in ordinary commercial and charity practice rather than in anything abusive.
What commenters described: I hate the second example, it’s so reliant on the guilt people have in letting people down even when what they’re saying no to is totally reasonable The first though? I work in sales, and it’s my 101 for getting people to agree to a call-to-action. Don’t ask for a meeting first, ask them if it’s relevant, whether they feel it could benefit them, THEN ask if they want to sit a meeting. By question three they’re in “yes” mode, works like a charm
Limit: The salesperson who uses the first version objects to the second one specifically, on the ground that it works by exploiting the guilt of declining something reasonable. The discomfort in the thread is with that mechanism, not with whether it works.
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I hate the second example, it’s so reliant on the guilt people have in letting people down even when what they’re saying no to is totally reasonable The first though? I work in sales, and it’s my 101 for getting people to agree to a call-to-action. Don’t ask for a meeting first, ask them if it’s relevant, whether they feel it could benefit them, THEN ask if they want to sit a meeting. By question three they’re in “yes” mode, works like a charm
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The small ask vs big ask. Want a big favor? Ask for something small. Then something larger. Then eventually what you want. They'll get used to saying yes and then the big thing won't seem so big. Want something small? Ask for something very large. When it is denied, say, oh well, can you at least do xyz then?
Graduated commitment - charities use it.
I hate the second example, it’s so reliant on the guilt people have in letting people down even when what they’re saying no to is totally reasonable The first though? I work in sales, and it’s my 101 for getting people to agree to a call-to-action. Don’t ask for a meeting first, ask them if it’s relevant, whether they feel it could benefit them, THEN ask if they want to sit a meeting. By question three they’re in “yes” mode, works like a charm
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Mirroring, and how much it actually doesA rare direct disagreement in this thread about how much a technique really achieves, argued between a sceptic and a salesperson.
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Mirroring, and how much it actually does
Appears when: Someone's posture, pace and phrasing keep matching yours a beat after you move.
What the pattern means: This is the thread's one real argument about efficacy. One commenter holds that mirroring is largely involuntary and barely a tactic at all; two hold that it is trained deliberately and works. The most detailed record supplies the condition both sides could accept - it only works while it goes unnoticed - which makes the timing, not the gesture, the thing a reader can actually watch for.
What commenters described: You haven't seen it used as a sales technique. Mirroring is a big part of sales training and I've seen it sway tons of people
Limit: Nobody in this exchange offers evidence beyond personal impression. The disagreement is between one person's observation of sales floors and another's assumption that a naturally occurring behaviour cannot also be a tool.
Counterpoint: One record argues directly against the rest of the group: mirroring is something people do without intending to, so treating every matched gesture as a manoeuvre will generate far more false alarms than catches.
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You haven't seen it used as a sales technique. Mirroring is a big part of sales training and I've seen it sway tons of people
Tho it can be unhealthy if you're surrounded by "bad people" and end up copying and feeling pressured to do the same things as them.
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It’s when a person imitates the gestures, speech pattern, or posture of those around them. It’s something that occurs naturally, and isn’t actually that powerful of a manipulation tool.
The "mirror technique". As in, subtly mirroring the other persons body to gain their trust and liking on a subconscious level. Apparently it is highly effective unless you do it in an obvious way... then you get the opposite reaction. Example: If they cross their legs, you cross your legs (so it looks like how it would be if they were looking into a mirror). They rub their neck, you rub your neck. It obviously should not be done immediately as they do it because it becomes so apparent. But subtly, some minutes later or something...
Tho it can be unhealthy if you're surrounded by "bad people" and end up copying and feeling pressured to do the same things as them.
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Listening, half-truths and trigger wordsLow-effort moves that work on attention rather than emotion: say less, leave the story unfinished, use the word that sets someone off.
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Listening, half-truths and trigger words
Appears when: A conversation where you end up doing most of the talking, or where one word derails you.
What the pattern means: Three low-effort moves that work on attention rather than on emotion: say less and let the other person fill the silence, tell only part of something so the listener is left completing it, and reach for the word that takes someone out of an argument they were winning. One record supplies the name for the second; another is candid that the third works by degrading judgment rather than by persuading anyone of anything.
What commenters described: Don't sleep on letting others speak, if you actively listen and pay attention, people will spill all types of shit you would never expect.
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Telling/ showing half of everything is. It is called the “Zeigarnik effect”. When shown or told only a part, the brain automatically wants to fill in or know the other part and the task/object will be reminded faster of the certain task/object.
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Telling half truths.
Understanding people's emotional trigger words. Most people just kind of float through life, so they are sensitive to specific words. For example if I say Trump, it just automatically triggers some people and makes them want to say something or get angry or get emotional or just triggers their amygdala. Knowing how and when to use this you can manipulate people and take advantage of them putting them in a state of mind where they can't think properly and their logic circuits are screwed. Yay.
Telling/ showing half of everything is. It is called the “Zeigarnik effect”. When shown or told only a part, the brain automatically wants to fill in or know the other part and the task/object will be reminded faster of the certain task/object.
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Persuasion aimed at crowds, not peoplePersuasion aimed at crowds, not people — 8 records
Advertising aimed at people who cannot evaluate itThe answers that point away from relationships entirely, at audiences chosen because they are least able to assess the pitch.
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Advertising aimed at people who cannot evaluate it
Appears when: The audience is chosen for what it cannot assess rather than for what it wants.
What the pattern means: Several of the thread's answers point away from relationships entirely and at one design principle: select an audience that cannot evaluate the claim. One record supplies the concrete mechanism at child height in a supermarket aisle; another names direct-to-consumer drug advertising, where the person being persuaded is not the person qualified to judge the product.
What commenters described: This is something that is very thought through! Putting cornflakes, bright colours etc on childrens eye height in the store.
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This is something that is very thought through! Putting cornflakes, bright colours etc on childrens eye height in the store.
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Advertising to children.
This is something that is very thought through! Putting cornflakes, bright colours etc on childrens eye height in the store.
Advertising medications to the general public.
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Repetition and the media dietCommenters name repetition itself, plus the everyday channels they think deliver it, as the mass-scale version of the thread's question.
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Repetition and the media diet
Appears when: A claim you believe you evaluated is one you have simply heard many times.
What the pattern means: The mass-scale answers reduce to a single idea: repetition is the technique, and the channel is whatever reaches you most often. The bare list in this group is itself the argument - what it names is the set of ordinary daily surfaces, not anything covert.
What commenters described: Repeating lies over and over in mass media.
Limit: None of these three records explains how repetition changes a belief, names an instance, or separates advertising from propaganda. They are answers of the naming kind and are grouped here for completeness rather than for detail.
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Propaganda and unregulated marketing.
Repeating lies over and over in mass media.
Tv shows Social media News Movies Phones using light and sound School Too name a few
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Us-and-them politics and mass beliefTwo records treat group-scale persuasion as the real answer: sorting people into friend and threat, and organised belief.
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Us-and-them politics and mass belief
Appears when: You are being invited to sort people into two groups before you have been given any facts.
What the pattern means: Two records treat crowd-scale persuasion as the real answer to the question. The developed one argues the lever is an old sorting instinct - friend or threat - combined with the reassurance that somebody else is more exposed than you are. The other names organised religion as the vehicle. Both describe belief installed at group level rather than a move made on one person.
What commenters described: Demagoguery. We can't seem to shake that paranoid survival instinct that wants to categorize everyone neatly into 'Friend' and 'Threat', and the urge to be sure that SOMEBODY has it worse than you, so that they'll get caught/eaten/whatever first before you do. Technically a Sociological trick, but... should be close enough.
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Religious agenda to manipulate a large mass of people
Demagoguery. We can't seem to shake that paranoid survival instinct that wants to categorize everyone neatly into 'Friend' and 'Threat', and the urge to be sure that SOMEBODY has it worse than you, so that they'll get caught/eaten/whatever first before you do. Technically a Sociological trick, but... should be close enough.
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Control through fear, sleep and basic needsControl through fear, sleep and basic needs — 3 records
Making a home unliveableThe thread's most detailed account of coercive control describes attacking sleep, food and bathroom access rather than the person.
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Making a home unliveable
Appears when: The environment around you has become the thing that is wrong, and you cannot point at an incident.
What the pattern means: The most detailed account of coercive control in the thread describes nothing said to the victim at all. It describes attacking the conditions of living: sleep broken by noise and light, the kitchen made frightening to enter, bathroom access blocked. The commenter's argument is that the resulting damage - weight loss, infections, an emergency room visit, a mother separated from the routines her children knew her by - reads to everyone outside as the victim deteriorating on her own.
What commenters described: Sleep deprivation is powerful af. Sound pollution and light pollution, actually. For sleep deprivation or just because it's disconcerting.
Limit: This is one record carrying one upvote, written from inside the experience, with nothing in the thread corroborating it. It is preserved because it is the only record in the corpus that describes this category of control at all.
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Sleep deprivation is powerful af. Sound pollution and light pollution, actually. For sleep deprivation or just because it's disconcerting. Making someone somehow unable to eat enough (like someone used to make the kitchen a totally inhospitable place for me to be, flew into a terrifying rage every time I entered the room). People will wonder why they're losing weight and think they're on hard drugs. It will destroy their life. If it's a woman with kids, they'll stop seeing her in a motherly way because she'll hardly ever get to cook for them and it hurts her relationship with them, etc. It's a big deal. Make the kitchen I hospitable for a woman and you screw her good. Make the bathroom inhospitable, keep it occupied, hide the toilet paper, throw a fit and lock them outside so they end up having to go in the yard and feel dehumanized. This was also done to me, it's powerful. I got UTIs and dehydrated myself, ended up at the ER being treated like a drug addict just omg.
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Spotting it earlySpotting it early — 7 records
Give it time - the mask slipsThe thread's most-developed protective advice: treat the first months as an evaluation period and watch for the change.
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Give it time - the mask slips
Appears when: You are early enough in something that you could still walk away cheaply.
What the pattern means: The thread's most developed protective advice is about duration rather than detection. Both records argue that a maintained presentation is expensive and cannot be held indefinitely, so the recommendation is to impose a deliberate evaluation window and to treat the shift from consistent warmth to intermittent warmth as the signal. The second record adds why waiting gets harder rather than easier: the longer it runs, the more leaving costs.
What commenters described: Place a potential partner in a 30, 60, 90, 180 day minimum probation evaluation period. Someone who is a manipulative abusive person can maintain their false mask for only so long before cracks appear in the mask.
Limit: Both records are the same commenter writing at length and citing two articles and a magazine questionnaire. The probation-period framing is that commenter's own construction, and nothing else in the thread confirms it.
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Two articles I personally liked helped tremendously. Both articles take the proposition that someone is presently in an abusive relationship. The first one written by someone who isn't a psychologist. Intermittent Reinforcement Reward System Why You Can't Leave The Relationship The next article expands the definition of intermittent reinforcement reward system from interpersonal relationships to organizations. Criticism of the article is it isn't quite as well written as the first as it attempts to place the reader into the confusing world of intermittent reinforcement reward system. Additional illustrations are provided. Sick Systems How to keep someone with you forever. How a therapist once attempted to explain it to me. Paraphrasing. A magician loves to manipulate an audience with magic tricks. The magic tricks of manipulation work because of one or two things going on, the audience doesn't understand how the magic tricks of manipulation work or the audience allows the magician to entertain them through manipulation. You cannot ask, make or force the magician to stop being a magician. The magician loves being a magician! The magician isn't going to change! If the audience understands the magic tricks of manipulation or the audience becomes bored with the magic tricks of manipulation, the audience will abandon the magician and the magician will need to find a new audience to manipulate. An abusive person is just like a magician. Once you understand how the magic tricks of manipulation work, you can choose to not allow yourself to be entertained by the magic tricks of manipulation. You see the magician on the street corner and keep walking. The magician is trying really hard to find an audience. But potentially more is going on. As the first author alluded to, someone who may have experienced prior trauma might actually be attracted to someone who is a manipulative abusive person because it feels familiar or maybe a subconscious desire to fix or change someone. Someone who has a secure attachment style and devoid of personality or mental health disorder might be boring! There's no drama! It might feel weird to be with someone "normal." Conversely someone who is a manipulative abusive person can be attracted to someone who experienced prior trauma because they know that someone who experienced prior trauma might tolerate their manipulation and abusive behaviors. I know someone who LOVES chocolate. But it took years for them to finally realize that chocolate creates an allergic reaction. They feel bad after eating chocolate. Even the tiniest crumb of chocolate can make them feel bad. This is how someone can be attracted to a manipulative abusive person (chocolate) but they finally realize that it maybe makes them feel bad. Love the attraction but dislike how it makes me feel. There's other foods, but maybe not quite as exciting. Your goal, should you choose to accept is being able to better spot and identify someone who might be a potential Dark Triad member or cluster b personality. Not always, but there's certain types of jobs that tend to attract certain types of people who might be a Dark Triad member more than others. That could be a clue. Asking questions in the initial filtering potentials stage could provide insight. Place a potential partner in a 30, 60, 90, 180 day minimum probation evaluation period. Someone who is a manipulative abusive person can maintain their false mask for only so long before cracks appear in the mask. Don't make excuses. Don't try to fix or change someone. It isn't your responsibility or fault. They most likely will never change. They told you who they are through words and actions. Believe them. Leave The Relationship.
In reference to "cracks in the mask" is a metaphor, a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable. The cracks are, the person will eventually tell you who they are through words and actions. The discussion was on the topic of intermittent reinforcement, and I was responding to the person looking for more on the topic. The first article introduces the topic of abuse cycle with the illustration of the lab rat experiment and the 3 stages of abusive behaviors. Stage 1. CONSISTENCY in action outcome reward system. Press the lever to receive the reward. Love bombing. All love no abuse. Stage 2 Intermittent Reinforcement Reward System, the basis of gambling. Press the lever repeatedly and the reward is dispensed increasingly infrequently. This stage can be categorized as increasingly longer periods of no reward with infrequent positive reinforcement reward. Stated another way, longer periods of abuse interrupted with brief moments of love. Stage 3 is no reward system. Lever repeatedly pressed with no reward. All abuse no love. Someone was trained to accept ever longer periods of no reward resulting in being trained to accept no reward. Generally, someone who is an abusive person will eventually reveal themselves. They are unable to maintain their false mask of Stage 1 CONSISTENCY in action outcome reward system before transitioning to Stage 2 Intermittent Reinforcement Reward System. Not uncommon for the initial transition to occur from Stage 1 to Stage 2 within the first 30, 60, 90, 180 days. The longer two people are actually in a relationship, the harder it can be to leave. After catching feelings for someone it might be hard to leave. Perhaps excuses might be made to excuse their behavior rather than leave. "Things will get better when (fill in the blank) happens in the future. The goal post keeps moving though. Eventually someone might choose to stay with a manipulative abusive person rather than just leave. Sunk cost fallacy whereby it's the painful choice between staying or leaving can occur. The 30, 60, 90, 180 day probation evaluation period is important. An assessment of the individual at each time period. Employers might do this with a new hire employee. Certain measurable achievable goals are met. Of course this should be a two way approach. A new employee maybe will not immediately realize that they are actually in a hostile work environment dealing with bad leadership that utilizes an intermittent reinforcement reward system. The 2nd article provides some illustrations of an organization that utilities intermittent reinforcement reward system. An employer might attempt to filter out a Dark Triad member in a psychological profile test. Or one or more questions might be posed in the job interview to directly gauge verbal and nonverbal responses of a potential candidate. Forbes: 28 Questions That Reveal Whether Someone Has A ‘Dark Personality’
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The moment it clickedRecords where reading a name for the pattern is itself the turning point, described in the same sentence as deciding to act.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: The moment it clicked
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The moment it clicked
Appears when: You have just read a name for something you have been living inside.
What the pattern means: Three records capture the same event from different distances: being handed a name for a pattern and using it immediately as a diagnostic. What they describe is not new information about the other person but a reclassification of experience they already had - and in all three the naming arrives with a decision attached rather than only with understanding.
What commenters described: I’m late responding to this but your comment just opened up my eyes to my relationship. Literally it’s like something clicked and I realized I am in a trauma bonded relationship with a narcissist. The overwhelming feelings that have occurred since have been cathartic, depressing, and invigorating. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for opening my eyes to my situation.
Limit: Recognition is not the same thing as accuracy. Two of these three are applying a clinical label to a partner after the fact, from a forum comment, with no assessment of anyone involved.
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I think I am the Victim of this, too. Have you found some more resources so I can read into? Especially how to get out of it and leave it behind me?
I’m late responding to this but your comment just opened up my eyes to my relationship. Literally it’s like something clicked and I realized I am in a trauma bonded relationship with a narcissist. The overwhelming feelings that have occurred since have been cathartic, depressing, and invigorating. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for opening my eyes to my situation.
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Thank you for introducing this concept to me. I am healing from a relationship where I fell hard for potential over reality and the inconsistency of the situation left me feeling insecure. Now that I’ve done some research on the topic I have faith in my ability to recognize and end this in future endeavors and truly seek the love and consistency I desire. This truly just unlocked something for me, thank you seriously 💗
I’m late responding to this but your comment just opened up my eyes to my relationship. Literally it’s like something clicked and I realized I am in a trauma bonded relationship with a narcissist. The overwhelming feelings that have occurred since have been cathartic, depressing, and invigorating. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for opening my eyes to my situation.
Im so glad I recognized when someone was trying to do this to me. She turned out to be very unwell and scary and I dodged that shiz like Neo in the Matrix.
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Use your own confusion as the signalTwo commenters convert the experience into a rule of thumb: the confusion is the evidence, and self-validation is the defence.
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Use your own confusion as the signal
Appears when: You cannot tell whether something is wrong, and that uncertainty is itself the data.
What the pattern means: Both records convert the experience described elsewhere in this article into a usable rule. One treats the feeling of confusion as sufficient grounds to slow down without waiting to prove anything. The other locates the defence internally: if approval from another person is not producing a spike, there is much less to work with, so building your own source of validation is framed as prevention rather than as recovery.
What commenters described: Conrats for making it out I have been told that If you experience cognitive dissonance you have met a dangerous person and to proceed with caution. Period." That should help get rid of it a bit faster if there is a next time.
Limit: The confusion rule is offered second-hand - the commenter reports being told it - and taken literally it would flag ordinary uncertainty about a new person as evidence of danger.
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I have tears in my eyes. Thank you for your reply. That last sentence... (hug) all the best to you.
May I ask, how exactly did you phrase your questions to chatgpt? Was it like explaining a specific situation and asking how you should respond? I wanna try this !
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I did some googling and used chatgpt to help me identify ways in my relationships to stop, improve, and redirect my responses to different situations. The concept is general but the ways it shows up in your relationship may differ from mine so I would suggest identifying examples of this in your relationships and how you can redirect yourself moving forward by creating boundaries and seeking self validation so the attention from anyone else doesn’t give you a “high” but compliments the flow you already have. Having your own flow of validation will also help you filter out stuff like this before you get too deep to become manipulated. For example, someone who’s done the inner work has made peace with themselves and can identify love bombing faster than someone with a low self worth. Wish you a happy healing. You are the best project you will ever work on 💗
Conrats for making it out I have been told that If you experience cognitive dissonance you have met a dangerous person and to proceed with caution. Period." That should help get rid of it a bit faster if there is a next time.
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Getting out, and how long it takesGetting out, and how long it takes — 12 records
No contact, and why it has to be totalThe most repeated countermeasure in the thread, argued as all-or-nothing rather than as a matter of degree.
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No contact, and why it has to be total
Appears when: You have decided to end it and are negotiating with yourself over which channels to keep open.
What the pattern means: The thread's one point of near-agreement is that partial separation does not work, and two records give the same reason from different angles: a rule held most of the time is, from the other side, exactly the intermittent schedule described at the top of this article, so it teaches persistence rather than setting a limit. The practical version is unusually concrete - block everywhere, delete the photographs, relocate if the encounters keep restarting.
What commenters described: This is literally how abusive relationships hook the victim's limbic system into reacting as if the key to literal survival is to appease their abuser. It's a big part of why it's so difficult for them to leave. Intermittent reinforcement is also why it's important to maintain a boundary 100% of the time. 90% just reaches the other person that if they are persistent enough they will tear down your boundaries and get away with it.
Limit: The most prescriptive record goes as far as recommending moving city, and none of these four addresses what to do when total separation is not available.
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Yep, the trauma bond is the limbic system brainwashed into believing your literal survival depends on appeasing your abuser. You have to go no contact to allow your system to heal and create new healthier neural pathways and reactions to thoughts of them.
This. Also, if you’re going to play the game, make sure you mostly pull instead of pushing. Neediness is never attractive and you always want to be perceived as the prize no matter what.
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The push-pull is actually what creates a trauma bond. Only way to get out of it and move on is complete no contact. Block them on everything, delete all pictures of them, throw anything that reminds you of them away and never look back. Move to another city if you have to, seeing them again will start the healing process all over again.
Ignore a narcissist.
This is literally how abusive relationships hook the victim's limbic system into reacting as if the key to literal survival is to appease their abuser. It's a big part of why it's so difficult for them to leave. Intermittent reinforcement is also why it's important to maintain a boundary 100% of the time. 90% just reaches the other person that if they are persistent enough they will tear down your boundaries and get away with it.
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Leaving does not end itAccounts of contact re-opening after the decision - through friends, a friend request, or a body that has not caught up yet.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Leaving does not end it
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Leaving does not end it
Appears when: You ended it and something keeps reopening the channel.
What the pattern means: Three records describe the same failure mode after the decision has been made: contact restarts. Two describe it arriving from outside, through mutual friends or as a single notification, and the sharpest observation in the group is that re-engagement is itself the objective, so any response at all counts as a result regardless of what it says. The third describes the reopening happening internally, with the body still reacting after the reasoning has finished.
What commenters described: Currently on the receiving end of this. I am trying to disentangle myself from it but my ex has now resorted to getting mutual friends involved to advocate for them. I'm not having it because my mind is made up, but the fact that I then had to speak with them to tell them it's not fair on our friends to get them involved in our business is a win for them because they got me to talk to them, period.
Limit: All three are written from inside an unfinished process. None of them reports how it resolved.
Source-record spotlights
Currently on the receiving end of this. I am trying to disentangle myself from it but my ex has now resorted to getting mutual friends involved to advocate for them. I'm not having it because my mind is made up, but the fact that I then had to speak with them to tell them it's not fair on our friends to get them involved in our business is a win for them because they got me to talk to them, period.
I will do so. I discovered that all the work I did works on every situation but on this one. I'm not upset anymore, don't really think anything on the situation or her. But the stress I feel is not rational. My conscious brain does not join the stress my body feels anymore and yet I feel I'm in danger when I even think of her. If this sounds familiar to you I would recommend it.
I'm 3 months out of this and it's still messing with me and to boot ironically she sent me a friend request today
What the counts show
This report keeps all 3 source records for Leaving does not end it together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof.
What commenters explicitly report
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How long recovery actually tookWhere commenters put numbers on it, they are in months and years, and several are still counting.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: How long recovery actually took
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How long recovery actually took
Appears when: You want to know whether the timeline you are on is normal.
What the pattern means: Where this thread puts numbers on recovery, they are long: eleven months and roughly half-recovered, six months and still assuming the fault is personal. Two records track a course of EMDR in real time, including a session that left the commenter more tired and less certain than before, which is a more honest report of therapy than a summary of it would be. The remaining record makes the strongest claim in the group and is the least supported.
What commenters described: Whew boy, lemme tell you, this one has effed me up real good. 11 months post breakup and Im not fully healed, maybe halfway at this point. It had/has me questioning so many things. I mustve been a villain in a past life to have warranted her scorn.
Limit: One record asserts permanent nervous-system damage with no source, and the therapy records are one person's first two sessions. Nothing here supports a prognosis for anybody.
What the replies added2
Good for you my friend. As a pro hypnotist (emdr is a 'sidetrack'.of hypnosis) i just want to make you aware of the wondrous (and fast) options with direct hypnosis as well; going deep, very fast, take the needle out, should that resonate on your path of recovery🙏🏼 my conclusion after 10000+ hypnosis sessions. Your subc knows all answers, it just needs to be 'activated' the right way. Hope this gives you some hope. Good luck.
Sorry you’re going through this… thank you for sharing your struggle tho. I’ve also been experiencing a rough post breakup and it’s been over six months for me. I keep thinking there’s something wrong with me, it just feels so hard to shake these monsters y’know
Where commenters report limits
Definitely. Unfortunately in my case she's the mother of my children in a co-parenting situation. I am starting EMDR therapie in 2 days
Source-record spotlights
Whew boy, lemme tell you, this one has effed me up real good. 11 months post breakup and Im not fully healed, maybe halfway at this point. It had/has me questioning so many things. I mustve been a villain in a past life to have warranted her scorn.
Just had the first session and the beginning is hopefull. It is hard though to know how this will play out yet. The focus lies on one story but my situation is more than one story. I'll keep on posting untill I feel no changes anymore. This time I told my story in the beginning and got extremely tensed and was crying. After focussing on parts of the story joined with visual and audio distractions at the end of the session I told the story again with hardly tentoon at all. I feel weird, better and so tired at the moment.
Sorry you’re going through this… thank you for sharing your struggle tho. I’ve also been experiencing a rough post breakup and it’s been over six months for me. I keep thinking there’s something wrong with me, it just feels so hard to shake these monsters y’know
What the counts show
The exact phrase “post breakup and” recurs across 2 of the 5 source records in How long recovery actually took; the complete archive stays available below.
What commenters explicitly report
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Where the thread argued backWhere the thread argued back — 18 records
Does the label even fit?Corrections about terminology and about attributing the behaviour to a diagnosis, including a challenge to the top comment's own wording.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Does the label even fit?
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Does the label even fit?
Appears when: You are about to attach a clinical word to somebody's behaviour.
What the pattern means: Six records push back on the thread's vocabulary rather than on its content. Two challenge the terms themselves - whether trauma bond is being used correctly, and whether the reinforcement schedule the top comment named is the right one. Three challenge the habit of routing every description through a personality disorder, and the most useful of those come from commenters who say they have the diagnosis and do not behave this way. The sixth objects that the answer given was not a trick at all.
What commenters described: No. Some are very calculated about it. Others with BPD, don't do it at all. Not all traits and behaviours are shared by all pwBPD. You are right that some people with BPD don't do it, and are wide open to it being used on them. I'm one of the ones that is super vulnerable to it, but, having experienced it, I can honestly say the two I dealt with knew very well what they were doing.
Limit: These are corrections offered without citation, in a forum. They establish that the thread's terminology is contested; they do not establish which side of each dispute is right.
Source-record spotlights
First - not everybody with BPD will do it. We don't all share the same behaviours. It's not one of mine, I think choice is a huge factor, and it is mostly on purpose. They know what they are doing, but - they aren't capable of acting differently in relationships, even when they know it is hurting themselves, too.
I thought variable ratio was the most powerful reinforcement schedule? I remember learning that variable interval reinforcement led to a slow, steady response, while variable ratio could be much more frantic, like a gambling addict
No. Some are very calculated about it. Others with BPD, don't do it at all. Not all traits and behaviours are shared by all pwBPD. You are right that some people with BPD don't do it, and are wide open to it being used on them. I'm one of the ones that is super vulnerable to it, but, having experienced it, I can honestly say the two I dealt with knew very well what they were doing.
What the counts show
The exact phrase “people with bpd” recurs across 2 of the 6 source records in Does the label even fit?; the complete archive stays available below.
What commenters explicitly report
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Not everyone doing it is calculatingRecords from people who recognise the pattern in their own behaviour and describe it as unintended rather than strategic.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Not everyone doing it is calculating
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Not everyone doing it is calculating
Appears when: You recognise the pattern in someone who does not appear to be planning anything.
What the pattern means: Three commenters recognise the behaviour in themselves and report it as unintended. That matters in two directions: the pattern can be present with no strategist behind it, and - as the most forceful of the three insists - being unable to control a behaviour is not the same as being unable to seek treatment for it. The third record adds the detail that makes the distinction cold comfort: the effect on the other person is identical either way.
What commenters described: My bipolar disorder causes me to exhibit this behavior with my girlfriend, and it sucks because it is almost entirely out of my control and has the same affect on her.
Limit: Self-reports of intention are the least checkable material in the corpus, and these same records show why the distinction is hard to apply from outside: what the person on the receiving end experiences does not differ.
What the replies added1
That’s so interesting… do you have an example of what you mean by that? I was wondering if I do the same thing and how pervasive it might be in my life.
Source-record spotlights
I do this unintentionally with my coworkers I don’t know what’s wrong with me
Pretty much this, although I think it is anger/fear as much as hatred with a lot of people. I don't love bomb, and I don't split, but - my anger/rage flashes wipe all the control I have. Taken years to get a handle on it. The point is - therapy. You can learn control, you can choose to not be that person, you can seek treatment. That's the main choice, and the one that matters. I choose treatment, and, also, just remaining single and celibate.
My bipolar disorder causes me to exhibit this behavior with my girlfriend, and it sucks because it is almost entirely out of my control and has the same affect on her.
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What commenters explicitly report
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Doubts that these tricks work at allDirect scepticism about whether the named tactics are as powerful as the question assumes, and about the question itself.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: Doubts that these tricks work at all
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Doubts that these tricks work at all
Appears when: You are reading a list of techniques and starting to believe people are that controllable.
What the pattern means: Four records reject the premise rather than any particular tactic. Two argue the techniques are rarer and clumsier than the thread implies; two argue the framing itself - a question that presumes reliable levers - is closer to entertainment than to how people actually work. This is the corrective the rest of the article needs, because a catalogue of named tactics reads like a set of switches and these commenters are saying it is not one.
What commenters described: Teens think psychology is some black magic You do this BOOM, That happens 😂
Limit: The scepticism is unevidenced too, and two of these four records are dismissive rather than argued. They are useful as a check on the thread's confidence, not as a refutation of the accounts elsewhere in it.
What the replies added2
Teens think psychology is some black magic You do this BOOM, That happens 😂
Good love bombing is a hyper fixation it's not begging you for something or trying to be desperate. It's a burning interest in the other person, it's focusing 100 percent on them and making them feel noticed appreciated and liked
Source-record spotlights
Real life isn’t a clickbait thumbnail. Reevaluate your question, your motives, and try again.
no, most people don’t do push and pull. That’s way too unnatural and weird. I’m not able to catch people when I’m having discussions with them. Stop being like that it would be a lot better. All of this is just mental clutter.
Yes I believe the same and I don’t understand why many people believe love bombing is effective
What the counts show
This report keeps all 4 source records for Doubts that these tricks work at all together and surfaces traceable examples without converting anecdotes into proof.
What commenters explicitly report
These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings.
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What some people answered insteadA small counter-current answering the dark-psychology prompt with kindness, self-respect, or an objection to the asking.
Pattern card with where it shows up, what it means, a verbatim comment, and the limits of the evidence behind it: What some people answered instead
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What some people answered instead
Appears when: You came to this material wanting the techniques rather than the warnings.
What the pattern means: A small counter-current answers a dark-psychology prompt with something other than a technique: kindness, self-respect, and an objection to what the askers appear to want. It does not go unchallenged - the kindness answer draws an immediate report of it failing - but the observation that the thread is full of people shopping for tools rather than for defences is worth keeping beside every other card in this article.
What commenters described: Why does it seem like a ton of the commenters in this thread are looking for tips and tricks?! What is happening lol?
Limit: The kindness answer is offered lightly and is answered from experience by someone who says it made them a target. The thread does not resolve which is the better bet, and neither record is advice for someone already inside one of the patterns above.
Counterpoint: One record makes the narrower version of the point: having to think tactically about a relationship is itself the diagnostic, whatever the tactic achieves.
What the replies added2
Not really. A lot of people just end up taking advantage of you. I'm speaking from experience
No, not really, it’s just how the game is played. I’ve had great relationships with most women and I know exactly who’s the right one for me :) I never get involved with toxic women whatsoever. I actually have common sense and good judgment and live a drama-free life with or without women 😉
Source-record spotlights
If you are kind and empathetic towards people, in the future they will be kind and helpful towards you. Try it out and let me know how it works for you!!
Actually liking yourself.
Why does it seem like a ton of the commenters in this thread are looking for tips and tricks?! What is happening lol?
What the counts show
Within 5 source records, 1 ask a question and 0 explicitly say they intend to try the idea; neither signal is treated as an outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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How this catalog was built
Source: DarkPsychology101 thread — 186 comments captured (42 top-level, 144 replies)
Selected comments from the discussion
This export carries real like counts and timestamps. The first 18 are the most resonant on-topic top-level comment from each stage of the discussion, ranked by resonance within their arrival-time cohort so later arrivals are not penalised for having had less time to accumulate likes.
How the discussion breaks down
Relative volume of distinct source-backed records across every reviewed category in this corpus.
Where the thread argued back
18 distinct coded comment records4 normalized answers
Getting out, and how long it takes
12 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Everyday influence moves in sales and conversation
11 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Love bombing and the withdrawal that follows
11 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Push-pull: the unpredictable-reward cycle
11 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Gaslighting and manufactured self-doubt
8 distinct coded comment records2 normalized answers
Persuasion aimed at crowds, not people
8 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Spotting it early
7 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Power plays that keep one person a rung down
5 distinct coded comment records2 normalized answers
Control through fear, sleep and basic needs
3 distinct coded comment records2 normalized answers
The thread asked for tricks and answered with damage
The question asked for tricks. What the thread mostly produced is an account of being on the receiving end of them. 77 of the 186 captured records — and 52.8% of the thread's 2,926 upvotes — hang off one top-level answer about intermittent reinforcement, and almost none of that subtree is technique talk. It is people naming what happened to them, asking how to stop it, and answering each other.
That shape holds across the whole corpus. Of the 94 records that describe a tactic or its effects, 66 are replies rather than top-level answers, so the useful material is buried under the short ones that got the votes. 19 records are about recognising the pattern or leaving it rather than about performing it, and 51 of the 94 carry fewer than ten upvotes — including the thread's single most detailed description of coercive control, which has one.
The thread also argues with itself. 18 records push back: on the top comment's terminology, on blaming a diagnosis, on whether the named techniques work at all. One commenter simply asks, “Why does it seem like a ton of the commenters in this thread are looking for tips and tricks?! What is happening lol?” Another answers the prompt with “Real life isn’t a clickbait thumbnail. Reevaluate your question, your motives, and try again.” And the highest-voted piece of practical advice in the whole discussion is a boundary rule, not a technique: “This is literally how abusive relationships hook the victim's limbic system into reacting as if the key to literal survival is to appease their abuser. It's a big part of why it's so difficult for…”
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Dataset, coverage, and methodology
How this was counted
The working unit is a comment record, not a person, a tactic or a household. All 186 canonical comments from this one thread (42 top-level, 144 replies) were read in three passes and each was assigned to exactly one theme or one exclusion bucket.
94 records describe a manipulation tactic, what it did to the person on the receiving end, or how they recognised and left it. All 94 appear in the complete index below. The other 92 are requests for an explanation or a resource (23), appreciation and bare agreement (24), jokes and dismissals (13), off-topic tangents (10), bare labels with nothing described (9), and five smaller buckets recorded by id in record-assignments.json.
94 is a count of classified comment records, not of separate tactics. Repeats were deliberately kept: the same push-pull pattern is described by many different people, and each description stays its own row rather than being merged into one.
Themes are editorial groupings of records that were read individually; the theme label is ours, every row underneath it is a real comment carrying its own source-record id, and every quoted string on this page is copied verbatim from that record.
Nothing here is verified beyond what people typed, and nothing here is advice about any specific person or relationship. Several records describe abusive behaviour and its aftermath.
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