What men reported after the weight went back on
Men who lost the fitness they had: the changes they said caught them out
What the men in this thread said actually changed
Across all 1866 captured comments the answer that comes back most often is not a number on a scale: it is how quickly it happened, how much of ordinary life quietly got harder — shoelaces, stairs, sleep, sitting down — and how differently other people behaved afterwards. The thread also argues with itself throughout, about whether the treatment tracks the body or the confidence, about whether any of it is a failure of willpower, and about what the fit years had been costing the people who lived them.
- The change almost everybody names first is the speed: months, not years
- How other people behaved is the thread's largest single finding — and its most disputed one
- The physical answers are unusually concrete: shoelaces, stairs, socks, sleep
- The changes commenters said they never expected: temperature, texture, skin, balance
- The counter-examples are kept in the same cards: the commenters who noticed nothing, and the ones who are happier
- Every account here is one person about their own body. Nothing is verified, and none of it is health advice
The top 10 from the comments
Ranked by how many distinct source records support each answer, before any category browsing.
Months, not years
How easy it is to get fat
What the pattern means: The thread's most repeated answer is about a clock rather than a cause, and the specific surprise in it is the unit: commenters expected the slide to take years and describe it taking months, sometimes weeks. The accounts converge on a mechanism nobody had to be told — the eating stayed where a training body had left it while the training stopped — and they diverge sharply on the timescale, with a minority insisting theirs took a decade and one commenter reporting the change arriving inside a single week. What almost none of them describe is a decision. The verb they reach for is 'crept'.
How quickly it happens. Wasn’t years, but months. It’s tough, especially when life hits you with left and right
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What replies pushed back on6
The thing I have learned this year since I've started tracking all my food intake is just how easy a few hundred calories are to slip in at any given meal, in the form of oil. Oil is liquid fat, and a tablespoon is like 120 kcal. And it just disappears into the food. You might taste it or the lack of it, but it doesn't make you that much more full or make the plate feel bigger. And so many dishes are cooked with a ton of oil. I'm the opposite of this thread, a fat guy getting fit, but I've been sticking with a deficit since I've been tracking. And you're right, it's _tough_. But if you learn to cook, and _what_ to cook, it gets easier. Variety makes it feel less like diet and more like just eating.
I spent most of my life unable to GAIN weight. I was 135 lbs for like a decade, which was borderline underweight for my height. Nothing I tried helped. I eventually gave up. Then one day I woke up and noticed I had a gut. Weighed myself- 170. When? Fucked if I know. I've gotten as high as 190, which is now too MUCH, and I'm trying to go the opposite way. Aging sucks.
I disagree. People who diet get fat. People who actually change their lifestyle stay thin forever.
This happened with an ex of mine. We first got together he was in shape, working out, he looked real good. Then we broke up for 3 months just 3 and he'd gain so much weight. I literally asked him what the hell happened. Luckily he didn't look bad so it worked out for a minute.
I broke my leg last year and gained 25 pounds in 3 months while I was in a cast
When I got divorced, I lost 30 pounds (180 to 150) really quickly. Kinds of scary. I remember eating a bowl of Frosted Flakes at 10pm just to fatten up. Then I hit the gym and kept that weight, bought new clothes. But also, I too was fit and stopped working out on the regular, gained 20, which is 10 less than my weight when I lost that 30 and now I've added another 5.
Knees, backs and the joints that start complaining
What the pattern means: The largest physical card in the corpus, and it opens with sound rather than pain: the popping and clicking that commenters treat as comic until it stops being funny. Knees lead, backs follow, and ankles, hips, feet and shoulders fill in behind them. The most useful thing this card establishes is a correction commenters make to themselves — several describe having filed the aches under ageing for years, then finding them ease when the weight came off, and one describes going the other way entirely, losing a hundred pounds and hurting exactly as much.
Then the knees, oh god, the knees.
Limit: Commenters attributing their own joint pain to their own weight, and at least one reporting no improvement after losing a great deal of it. Several are describing diagnosed injuries and arthritis. Nothing here establishes a cause for anyone else's pain. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added3
See, I took the same info and came to the opposite conclusion. If I'm going to be in pain either way, why add on the hours each week of menial anguish that exercise brings?
\- Looking to the left when changing lanes on my bike? Lightning down both arms. Looking right? Perfectly fine. \- Ever throw out your back so bad your spleen hurts? Pinch a nerve in the right spot and you’ll feel pain in a phantom location! \- Drop that thing again? Eh, I’ll pick it up when I need it. It ain’t worth bending over or squatting. \- Love a good stormy day so you have an excuse to stay inside? Not anymore! Now you made your own app to track barometric pressure swings. It gives you an hour heads up before a threshold will be triggered telling you to “do drugs, kid” Breaking my L4 at 7 years old was bad enough. There’s also a torn disk down there aggravating everything too. Breaking the T8 2 years ago has sucked all joy out of my life. My wife also injured hers. She stayed at home basically bedridden. I was still on tour working since we needed the money and my employer was fighting the insurance claim. Working like that broke me down. Being alone broke her down. My contract ended and I took care of her day and night. She got her fusion about a year after the injury. After I nursed her through her fusion she immediately started cheating. When I caught her she left. She said she knew it was evil but she couldn’t return the favor and left me alone. By that point I had been fired. I was called a liability and they questioned my ability to still physically do my job. Ironic since they were denying the effects of the accident. Do you know the one thing that makes absolutely every negative emotion you can go through worse? When your back hurts so much you have to teach yourself to cry quietly.
How much it affects your joints. I still felt almost just as strong as when I stopped working out, but my any time I was play wrestling with my kids or going on long family days out (especially anywhere with steep inclines or uneven ground) my body just seemed to start breaking down with knee, elbow, and neck injuries. Losing the weight did far more for getting rid of those than any amount of stretching or YouTube physio videos ever did.
The temperature drop in everyday interactions
People treat you way worse. Especially women. Getting up off the ground.
What the pattern means: The corpus's largest social finding, and its most carefully described. Commenters almost never report an insult; they report the withdrawal of small warmths — a smile withheld, a greeting that arrives flatter, less patience for what they are saying, being looked through in a queue. Several who have been on both sides stress that the change was invisible to them until they crossed back. The card also carries the thread's sharpest disagreement, between commenters who say the world responds to the body and commenters who say it responds to the confidence the body took with it, and both cases are made at length by people who lived through the change.
The change in attitude when people talk to you.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added3
The opposite also works. If somehow you're a fat person with a very good looking face (and a great personality to back it up) then the weight doesn't matter as much. But... you still have to get past first impressions, which you start out with a -10 score.
I was fit most of my life from childhood to mid 20s. Late 20s and now 30 I stopped working out bc of life and it’s awful feeling. I have a gym to my basement and I’ll slowly get back to it.
How different people treat you. A lot of people here say it happened fast - wasn’t that way for me. At my best I was 180. 7% body fat. I was doing a lot of MMA and associated training regiment. Strict diet. I had been 240 when I started. At that 180 peak, the amount of attention I got was pretty alien to me. I broke my hand and backed off of MMA and over time went up to 220, but I was working more toward overall strength. I think 200-220 was the best I ever looked. Still - the way people interacted with me was weird to me. I just - stopped. And it took 10 years but I landed at 290. I looked like a football player that got fat. Definitely noticed a massive shift in how people treat me. People at work challenge you more. Like because you are heavy you don’t have your shit together. Don’t know what you are talking about. Vertical movement slowed down - and mostly evaporated. I’m back down to 230. But I don’t have the muscle mass I did - so it’s a weird limbo. I’ll have people tell me I look scary. But still kind of clawing the physical appearance back. You do become acutely aware that part of your value is related to your waist size.
The arithmetic, and how small the numbers are
This is so true. Using an app to count calories you quickly realize how many you consume and how quickly the number rises. When you branch away from meats and veggies for filler you have to get creative quickly. That or really watch your portion size and accept you'll be hungry a lot quicker. And it gets worse when you start getting down there. 1,700-1,900 calories is rough some days for me.
What the pattern means: The most quantitative card in the corpus, and its finding is that the number is embarrassingly small: commenters who went back and did the sums arrive at a daily surplus in the hundreds of calories rather than the thousands, and several identify the specific vehicle — a can of something, the cooking oil that disappears into the pan, a sauce packet, a restaurant portion. The second half of the card is about the food environment rather than the eater, with commenters arguing about how far engineered palatability explains the first half, and that argument is not settled here.
The thing I have learned this year since I've started tracking all my food intake is just how easy a few hundred calories are to slip in at any given meal, in the form of oil. Oil is liquid fat, and a tablespoon is like 120 kcal. And it just disappears into the food. You might taste it or the lack of it, but it doesn't make you that much more full or make the plate feel bigger. And so many dishes are cooked with a ton of oil. I'm the opposite of this thread, a fat guy getting fit, but I've been sticking with a deficit since I've been tracking. And you're right, it's _tough_. But if you learn to cook, and _what_ to cook, it gets easier. Variety makes it feel less like diet and more like just eating.
Limit: Commenters doing their own arithmetic with their own estimates. The figures quoted are theirs, several are disputed by other commenters in the same sub-thread, and none of them is a calorie target for anyone. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
>everything that tastes good is bad for you Patently incorrect. There's a shitload of healthful food choices that taste really good. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they taste bad.
Being uncomfortable every hour of the day
My belly jiggles when I move now. For 40 years nothing ever jiggled, now I feel like a jello cup.
What the pattern means: One commenter framed this as the answer nobody ever gives, and the records under it bear that out: waistbands, underwear, seat belts, armrests, folds that touch other folds, the belly rolling on itself when you sit down. The distinguishing feature is that none of it is about appearance — commenters are explicit that the adjusting is done for comfort, not for looks — and that it is constant rather than episodic. Three commenters who lost weight report the trade honestly in reverse, describing new discomforts of bone and cold.
Its never mentioned, but being fat is physically uncomfortable. Like 100% of the time you are uncomfortable. You adjust your shirt or pants not because it looks bad, but because its uncomfortable.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
Or even worse, your dick is constantly squished either because the underwear is tight or because it rides up or bunches up when walking. Also it looks smaller because of all the fat that hangs above it pushing it down
Why the way back is so much harder
Getting fat is fun, being fat sucks. Being fit is fun, getting fit sucks.
What the pattern means: Every commenter in this theme agrees on the direction and this card is where they get specific about the size. The recurring numbers are ratios — years to build, months to lose, and much longer again to rebuild — and the recurring explanation is that the starting point moved: several describe discovering they were not fit enough to begin the beginner's programme, spending months on range of motion before any load, or picking up tendon injuries in the first fortnight. Age is named constantly as the multiplier, and one commenter's long account of hunger signalling after repeated regains is the most detailed single record in the corpus.
I wish that were the case, but my “most surprising thing” is how incredibly long and how incredibly difficult those beginner gains are. Back in the day, I could get out of shape and pick it back up relatively quickly. I could decide to go running, follow a couch to 10k program, start lifting weights, and be sort of fit within a few months. After I spent several years letting myself go, I expected that same climb out of the hole. I thought I could just lace up my shoes, hit the gym, and be normal again quickly. I was very wrong. When you’re very out of shape, the starting point is so far back. I wanted to run, but when I went out there I realized how weak my core was, how bad my posture was, and how poorly equipped my tendons, ligaments, and stabilizers were at supporting the extra 40 pounds I gained. After a few attempts and the quick onset of tendon issues, I realized that I wasn’t even fit enough to *start* a running plan. In the gym it was the same story. Even “basic” exercises were limited by my poor range of motion and severe muscle imbalances developed over years of inactivity and a sedentary lifestyles. I have lifted enough in my life to know good form, and it made me miserable to know I was so out of shape to even support basic posture to have correct form. To get back into shape, I had to spend months doing the most sad and ultra simple exercises (think no resistance movements aimed at increasing range of motion) just to get my body to a point where I could do beginner exercises. Sure I had “beginner gains” by my gains were things like “after 3 weeks, I can finally rotate my torso without my back cramping” or “finally after a month I can get into a squat position with the proper form, as long as I use something to support myself”. As someone who used to be a competitive athlete, it’s a humbling experience. I feel like I’m a lifetime away from doing the things I could do a decade ago.
Limit: Personal accounts of what returning to fitness took for the people writing them, including one long lay explanation of hunger hormones that is that commenter's own and is not verified here. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
there's the golden window of time when you're first getting fat but you're still fit.
I've never been super fit or super fat but I fluctuate a lot. And I agree complacency is a big thing. What never ceases to amaze me how quick my body appetite changes. If I consistently eat 3000-4000 calories a day, I crave and feel hungry if I "only" ate 2500 calories that day. If I consistently eat 1600 calories a day, I only need to stick to it for a few days then I won't get cravings as long as I get my 1600. Your body can only need a short time to get used eating a lot, even 2000 more calories than you need. But cutting is tough, its not like you can just as easily do a 2000 calorie deficit every day, you still need basic sustenance.
What actually set it off
That’s me right now. We moved during the height of Covid and couldn’t find movers that would work with us so I had to move everything myself. Hurt my back and gained 20 pounds very quickly. Also discovered I tore my abdominal wall like pregnant women do. So I totally look like I’m carrying a baby. Basically like those “Vin Diesel NOW” pics.
What the pattern means: These are the records that put the cause first, and the striking thing about them collectively is how few involve food. Commenters name a torn calf, a broken leg, a torn knee ligament, a shoulder that never healed, a parent's death, a partner's cancer, a newborn who would not sleep, a lockdown, a commute that disappeared, a job that ran to sixty-five hours. The pattern is that the trigger removed the movement first and the appetite adjusted late or not at all. Several commenters explicitly reject the framing of the question itself on that basis.
It’s not even “letting yourself go” it’s life. I “got fat” from taking care of my dying mom, working and managing a division of people during covid, losing my aunt, laid off, stress moving to start life over, and getting older. My diet never changed. Some days I ate more, some ate less; some drank more, some drank less. It’s genetics and life. I’m working on getting back to where I was now; but I say all this to make the statement in response to your post that it’s not far to assume everyone “let ourselves go”. I hope you never endure what some go thru in life that alter their bodies.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What replies pushed back on6
Not true! I spent a couple weeks in Europe on holiday and lost weight. I was walking a lot, eating better and absolutely loving it! Then came back to the US and fell right back into my shitty habits.
I went on a cruise when I was pretty big and was the only one in my group of 9 or so adults to lose weight. And I lost ten pounds. I was eating like shit and drinking a lot of soda. On the cruise, we did a lot of walking, ate a lot more cleanly, and I basically only drank water and booze. You'd think that was enough for me to realize how dumb I was- I could eat a lot as long as it wasn't mostly fast food, drink booze still, etc and not be as fat as I was. But nope, gained the ten pounds back very quickly thanks to fast food and soda. A few years later I'm in the best shape I've been in since college, but I still kick myself for not making the shift back then.
Its the opposite for me haha. became super fat started a job at a factory working 13 hour shifts six days a week. It’s been about a month and I’m already 20 pounds down.
I was fit most of my life from childhood to mid 20s. Late 20s and now 30 I stopped working out bc of life and it’s awful feeling. I have a gym to my basement and I’ll slowly get back to it.
I slowed down on biking last summer but was still eating a ton like I was riding because it was a habit and gained like 30 lbs. Then my girl broke her leg several months ago and I went on medical leave to take csre of her and we just stayed home and ate a lot because we didnt have much else to do and I piled on another 30.
i was fit until i was 28, got broken up with, got depressed, stopped my workout regiment, maintained my drinking (doubled it really) the beer made me swell up so fast with an extra 45 pounds i have stretch marks, now im 32 as of today and am about half way back and am only drinking one day a week, 6'1 Broad Shoulder Build at a cut 220, to 265 fat, back down to 240-245
What individual commenters said worked for them
What the pattern means: The corpus does contain concrete accounts of what people did, and they are kept together here rather than scattered through the article, because collectively they contradict each other in a way that is itself the finding. Fasting windows, tea, tracking, walking targets, swapping to zero-sugar drinks, meal prep, weighing daily, swimming after a back injury, training late at night around a toddler — each is reported as having worked for the person reporting it, and no two of them agree on a method.
The quickness is crazy. But also cutting intake and movement everyday can be a quick fix too if you can stick with it. I cut 99% of my sugar intake, upped my protein and skip lunch 5 days a week and walking 10-15,000 steps average per day. Went from 265 to 220 in a month and a half.
Limit: A list of what individual strangers say they did, not a set of recommendations. Several of these approaches are contradicted by other commenters in the same thread, some involve substantial restriction, and what suits one person's health may not suit another's. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
it works for you, but I wouldn't recommend it for others. night workouts are terrible for sleep and not ideal for gains. the further you can remove the workout from your bedtime, the better.
You do not see it until a photograph shows you
What the pattern means: The perception lag is one of the corpus's most consistent findings, and it runs in both directions: commenters who gained describe a mirror that kept agreeing with them, and commenters who lost a great deal of weight describe still seeing the larger body years later. What breaks the deadlock is always external and always accidental — a holiday photo, an unfamiliar full-length mirror, a friend's remark, a pair of jeans that stopped closing. Several say the realisation was sudden even though the change was not, and one commenter says this thread was the thing that told him.
you never see it coming and you think youre still a normal sized guy in your mind
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
Goes the other way too. I've lost over 200lbs in the last 2 years. I'm still fat in my head.
I lost almost 200lbs 30 years ago and I’m still fat in my mind. Never goes away.
Balance, agility and the things the body stopped doing
Had the opposite experience- got stronger legs from carrying my fat ass around
What the pattern means: The most interesting card in the physical themes, because it is not about power. Commenters report their strength largely intact and something else gone: balance, flexibility, reaction speed, the ability to catch a falling object, to jump a low fence, to weave through a crowd without knocking a drink. Several describe the mismatch as the actual problem — the mind still issuing instructions the body no longer executes — and two report the opposite finding, that carrying the extra weight around made their legs stronger than they had ever been.
I got skinny-fat due to inactivity because of accumulated injuries from a high-performance sport, and I think the worse about it is... I can't do the things I used to be able to do. I lived my life being able to do athletic things rather easily, so now having a hard time (if I'm able to at all) do the "cool, athletic feats" I used to be able to do is actually depressing. Like now I get why my friends thought what I was able to do was amazing, when I would just shrug it off as "you can do this too if you tried". It did make me realize the scale of capability; I went from being able to bench or deadlift considerably good weights or doing backflips and jumping really high to not being able to do pushups at all and being afraid to jump down a 2ft drop. Things that were normal to me then became amazing now, and I really, really wish I took care of myself more. I also wish I took more pictures of myself! My confidence dropped by a metric ton too, seeing the few pictures of myself made me realize "Oh shit, I really was that fit". Plus, people saying you were "hot" before--yeah kinda does a number on your head. People started treating me differently too, like I lost "invisible" priliveges in socialization that I wouldn't have realized had I not lost it. Maybe it's in the confidence, and it's so hard to explain, but; talking to people and socializing back then was waaay easier than it is now. People aren't as immediately receptive of me, and it takes a lot more effort to talk to people now. Even regular everyday "conveniences" like being flexible (which means dressing easily, tying my shoes no issues, or being OK bending or reaching from weird positions), or lifting heavy objects with little issues. But maybe the worse is my response time really slowed down, like I can't react fast nor move fast anymore. It's weird because I thought that's not a thing in everyday life, but no; picking up falling things mid-air, being spry enough to react immediately when something suddenly happened, or jumping out of the way of something, yeah these everyday things (maybe except jumping out of the way **😂**) apparently needs athleticism. And it's so depressing too, and it's even more depressing whenever I remember I used to take myself and my body for granted. I thought I'd always be like that! Aging slowed down my recovery too, I used to be able to pick myself back up from injuries and get back on track easily. So yeah, TL;DR 1. Not being athletic is surprising after a lifetime of being athletic 2. Things I did before is now amazing 3. Apparently, my confidence is very much tied to physical state 4. You lose your "athletic privileges" like flexibility, strength, and reponse time 5. This is kinda depressing, to be honest
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
Had the opposite experience- got stronger legs from carrying my fat ass around
How fast it happened, and what set it offThe thread's most-agreed answer, and the events underneath it that commenters said were not decisions at all. 247 records.
Months, not yearsThe single most repeated answer in the thread, and its recurring detail: the timescale people expected was wrong.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Months, not years
Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below.
Months, not years
Appears when: Working out how quickly a body that was fit stops being fit
What the pattern means: The thread's most repeated answer is about a clock rather than a cause, and the specific surprise in it is the unit: commenters expected the slide to take years and describe it taking months, sometimes weeks. The accounts converge on a mechanism nobody had to be told — the eating stayed where a training body had left it while the training stopped — and they diverge sharply on the timescale, with a minority insisting theirs took a decade and one commenter reporting the change arriving inside a single week. What almost none of them describe is a decision. The verb they reach for is 'crept'.
What commenters described: How quickly it happens. Wasn’t years, but months. It’s tough, especially when life hits you with left and right
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What replies pushed back on6
The thing I have learned this year since I've started tracking all my food intake is just how easy a few hundred calories are to slip in at any given meal, in the form of oil. Oil is liquid fat, and a tablespoon is like 120 kcal. And it just disappears into the food. You might taste it or the lack of it, but it doesn't make you that much more full or make the plate feel bigger. And so many dishes are cooked with a ton of oil. I'm the opposite of this thread, a fat guy getting fit, but I've been sticking with a deficit since I've been tracking. And you're right, it's _tough_. But if you learn to cook, and _what_ to cook, it gets easier. Variety makes it feel less like diet and more like just eating.
I spent most of my life unable to GAIN weight. I was 135 lbs for like a decade, which was borderline underweight for my height. Nothing I tried helped. I eventually gave up. Then one day I woke up and noticed I had a gut. Weighed myself- 170. When? Fucked if I know. I've gotten as high as 190, which is now too MUCH, and I'm trying to go the opposite way. Aging sucks.
I disagree. People who diet get fat. People who actually change their lifestyle stay thin forever.
This happened with an ex of mine. We first got together he was in shape, working out, he looked real good. Then we broke up for 3 months just 3 and he'd gain so much weight. I literally asked him what the hell happened. Luckily he didn't look bad so it worked out for a minute.
I broke my leg last year and gained 25 pounds in 3 months while I was in a cast
When I got divorced, I lost 30 pounds (180 to 150) really quickly. Kinds of scary. I remember eating a bowl of Frosted Flakes at 10pm just to fatten up. Then I hit the gym and kept that weight, bought new clothes. But also, I too was fit and stopped working out on the regular, gained 20, which is 10 less than my weight when I lost that 30 and now I've added another 5.
Where commenters report limits
Ironically, that's what made me lose weight for the first time in my adult life. I was so nauseous all the time, and my stomach was so compressed, I couldn't really eat. I ended up dropping 40 pounds after I was two weeks postpartum. Unfortunately, stopping breastfeeding made me gain 30 of it back. Now I remember how easy it is to get fat again.
When I got divorced, I lost 30 pounds (180 to 150) really quickly. Kinds of scary. I remember eating a bowl of Frosted Flakes at 10pm just to fatten up. Then I hit the gym and kept that weight, bought new clothes. But also, I too was fit and stopped working out on the regular, gained 20, which is 10 less than my weight when I lost that 30 and now I've added another 5.
Source-record spotlights
How easy it is to get fat
Had a buddy who's brother was in the marines. I met him and he was... well he was in Marine shape. Three months after he got out, he had gained well over 100 pounds. Same thing happened to me when I quit playing football. I put on about 80.
Nobody warns you it's this fast- a few rough months and your knees start talking back people go from "hey!! to oh, you're here" getting fat is fun, being fat isn't. Getting fit sucks too, but being fit is the only part worth it long-term
Related evidence elsewhere in the index
What the counts show
Across 105 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (7 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings.
Observable tactic structures
Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below.
Browse the original comments105 preserved records · 105 of 105 source records accounted for
Archive: 105 index entries preserve 105 distinct source records · Every displayed synthesis count resolves to source-record IDs
What actually set it offRecords that name the event first — an injury, an illness, a death, a newborn, a job — and the weight second.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: What actually set it off
Source-backed answers are shown before diagnostics; the complete source archive remains below.
What actually set it off
Appears when: Naming the event the weight followed rather than the weight itself
What the pattern means: These are the records that put the cause first, and the striking thing about them collectively is how few involve food. Commenters name a torn calf, a broken leg, a torn knee ligament, a shoulder that never healed, a parent's death, a partner's cancer, a newborn who would not sleep, a lockdown, a commute that disappeared, a job that ran to sixty-five hours. The pattern is that the trigger removed the movement first and the appetite adjusted late or not at all. Several commenters explicitly reject the framing of the question itself on that basis.
What commenters described: It’s not even “letting yourself go” it’s life. I “got fat” from taking care of my dying mom, working and managing a division of people during covid, losing my aunt, laid off, stress moving to start life over, and getting older. My diet never changed. Some days I ate more, some ate less; some drank more, some drank less. It’s genetics and life. I’m working on getting back to where I was now; but I say all this to make the statement in response to your post that it’s not far to assume everyone “let ourselves go”. I hope you never endure what some go thru in life that alter their bodies.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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Not true! I spent a couple weeks in Europe on holiday and lost weight. I was walking a lot, eating better and absolutely loving it! Then came back to the US and fell right back into my shitty habits.
I went on a cruise when I was pretty big and was the only one in my group of 9 or so adults to lose weight. And I lost ten pounds. I was eating like shit and drinking a lot of soda. On the cruise, we did a lot of walking, ate a lot more cleanly, and I basically only drank water and booze. You'd think that was enough for me to realize how dumb I was- I could eat a lot as long as it wasn't mostly fast food, drink booze still, etc and not be as fat as I was. But nope, gained the ten pounds back very quickly thanks to fast food and soda. A few years later I'm in the best shape I've been in since college, but I still kick myself for not making the shift back then.
Its the opposite for me haha. became super fat started a job at a factory working 13 hour shifts six days a week. It’s been about a month and I’m already 20 pounds down.
I was fit most of my life from childhood to mid 20s. Late 20s and now 30 I stopped working out bc of life and it’s awful feeling. I have a gym to my basement and I’ll slowly get back to it.
I slowed down on biking last summer but was still eating a ton like I was riding because it was a habit and gained like 30 lbs. Then my girl broke her leg several months ago and I went on medical leave to take csre of her and we just stayed home and ate a lot because we didnt have much else to do and I piled on another 30.
i was fit until i was 28, got broken up with, got depressed, stopped my workout regiment, maintained my drinking (doubled it really) the beer made me swell up so fast with an extra 45 pounds i have stretch marks, now im 32 as of today and am about half way back and am only drinking one day a week, 6'1 Broad Shoulder Build at a cut 220, to 265 fat, back down to 240-245
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I was fit most of my life from childhood to mid 20s. Late 20s and now 30 I stopped working out bc of life and it’s awful feeling. I have a gym to my basement and I’ll slowly get back to it.
Yeah I remember shortly after COVID hit, I wasn’t able to workout or really do anything similar to what I could before, so I ended up indoors a lot. I gained like 8-10lbs in 4 weeks and that freaked me out lol Unfortunately I DO love junk food, so it’s a constant battle for me to resist/eat it in moderation…
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That’s me right now. We moved during the height of Covid and couldn’t find movers that would work with us so I had to move everything myself. Hurt my back and gained 20 pounds very quickly. Also discovered I tore my abdominal wall like pregnant women do. So I totally look like I’m carrying a baby. Basically like those “Vin Diesel NOW” pics.
I was in college full time, work full time plus the commute, i lived at home. I thought after school I would get fit again. Tore my acl playing basketball on a random day because i wasn’t in shape like i used to be. Will probably never have the same knees again. If you let it go doesn’t mean you can just grab it back.
Its the opposite for me haha. became super fat started a job at a factory working 13 hour shifts six days a week. It’s been about a month and I’m already 20 pounds down.
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Across 50 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (9 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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When a prescription switched the appetite onAntidepressants, steroids, anticonvulsants and migraine drugs, reported by the people taking them.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: When a prescription switched the appetite on
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When a prescription switched the appetite on
Appears when: Weight gain that started with a drug taken for something else
What the pattern means: A distinct and unusually specific group: commenters name the drug class, the timescale and the amount, and what they describe is not a weakening of resolve but a change in the hunger signal itself. Antidepressants dominate, with steroids, anticonvulsants and migraine preventatives close behind, and several commenters report the same drug doing opposite things to different people in the same sub-thread. The bind they describe is consistent: the medication is working on the thing it was prescribed for, so stopping it is not the trade they want to make.
What commenters described: I’m embarrassed to even admit this, but I’ve been put on two medications which give me an insatiable appetite. I’ve put on 30 lbs in 5 months. I’m just finding it impossible to diet right now.
Limit: These are patients describing their own prescriptions, not evidence about how any drug behaves. Commenters disagree in the same thread about which medications cause which effects, and nobody here is reporting a controlled comparison. Medication questions belong with a prescriber. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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I haven't been on medication that gave me near insatiable appetite for over a decade and I still struggle with weight because of it. It completely ruined my "relationship" with food if you will. I've had major trouble cutting down on food, because it still took a long time for me to feel "full". But I'm getting there now. It took me a full month of constantly telling myself I did have enough to eat, even though it didn't feel like it. I was hungry (and thus cranky) a lot, but no it seems to be back to a more normal intake of food. But still, it takes a lot longer to lose the weight I gained than it did to put it on. The thing is, our bodies want to gain that fat, in case we're not having enough in the future. Like I said, I'm getting there. But it took a full month of battling my intake for it to feel and thus become normal. And months after that for it to take full effect. You want your weightloss to be slow and steady for it to be permanent and I seem to be heading down that road.
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my doctor said watch for decreased appetite turns out mine just increased due to trying to fight off the effects of sedation and tiredness (i want to be awake for most of the day) and thats unfortunately sugar or eating that helps.
Been skinny my whole life. Did some weightlifting for some time, gained some muscle, strength, weight barely budged, peak was like 145lbs. Shredded abs, cum gutters, the works... Started a new med last year and i think i put on 20lbs since. I can feel my belly jiggle when i walk. I hate it. Also had to get rid of all my pants and button shirts....
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I’m embarrassed to even admit this, but I’ve been put on two medications which give me an insatiable appetite. I’ve put on 30 lbs in 5 months. I’m just finding it impossible to diet right now.
Yep, I’ve been on it for almost a year now and it’s worked wonders for me! I mentioned to my psych that I didn’t want a decreased sex drive. I’d recommend everyone to try it out.
how hard it is to get truly fat. i was around 145(5'8) for most of my life until i had to go on medication with major weight gain as a side effect (iykyk) and im still 'only' an obese 190 pounds now. i cannot imagine how much effort it must take to get to morbid obesity, let alone something like 300
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Across 26 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Swap instead of subtract” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Drink, weed and the calories nobody countsWhere alcohol and cannabis sit in these accounts, including the commenters who say the two work in opposite directions.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Drink, weed and the calories nobody counts
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Drink, weed and the calories nobody counts
Appears when: Where alcohol and cannabis sit in an account of gaining weight
What the pattern means: Alcohol appears in these records as the thing that was never counted — liquid calories, and then the day after, which removes the training rather than adding the food. Cannabis splits the group cleanly and the split is the interesting part: some commenters say the munchies are the whole problem, while others say substituting it for drinking is what let them get back in shape, and one cites research claiming that regular users average a lower body mass index than non-users. Nobody in this card treats either substance as neutral.
What commenters described: Teens and early twenties I was extremely fit. Then I discovered beer and weed. So easy to get chubby. Not so easy to get not chubby. Stay not chubby folks.
Limit: Personal accounts of substances affecting appetite and routine, including one commenter describing dependency. They are not guidance, and the contradictory reports here are left standing rather than reconciled. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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How easy it was to get so lazy. I ran, lifted weights, and took Tai Kwan Do lessons 6 days a week. Then I started drinking (let me girlfriend talk me into it). And it all fell apart.
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Teens and early twenties I was extremely fit. Then I discovered beer and weed. So easy to get chubby. Not so easy to get not chubby. Stay not chubby folks.
Studies show that, in spite of "the munchies", regular cannabis users tend to have a lower BMI than non-users on average. They think it's caused by stress - weed is a phenomenal anti-anxiety drug (for some people, spikes mine to the stratosphere) and mildly euphoric besides. People who don't use weed are more likely to use food for comfort instead.
How easy it was to get so lazy. I ran, lifted weights, and took Tai Kwan Do lessons 6 days a week. Then I started drinking (let me girlfriend talk me into it). And it all fell apart.
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Across 18 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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You do not see it until a photograph shows youThe perception lag: the mirror agrees with you, and then a photo does not.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: You do not see it until a photograph shows you
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You do not see it until a photograph shows you
Appears when: Discovering the change through evidence rather than through feeling
What the pattern means: The perception lag is one of the corpus's most consistent findings, and it runs in both directions: commenters who gained describe a mirror that kept agreeing with them, and commenters who lost a great deal of weight describe still seeing the larger body years later. What breaks the deadlock is always external and always accidental — a holiday photo, an unfamiliar full-length mirror, a friend's remark, a pair of jeans that stopped closing. Several say the realisation was sudden even though the change was not, and one commenter says this thread was the thing that told him.
What commenters described: you never see it coming and you think youre still a normal sized guy in your mind
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Goes the other way too. I've lost over 200lbs in the last 2 years. I'm still fat in my head.
I lost almost 200lbs 30 years ago and I’m still fat in my mind. Never goes away.
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you never see it coming and you think youre still a normal sized guy in your mind
Na, I started the first sign of moobs last month and I fuckin noticed. So hard to fight it though
I noticed that I started to hate all of my clothes but it wasn't until I saw those vaca pics and weighed myself that I realized it wasn't the clothes that were the problem. My clothes never ran tight on me to begin with and the weight change didn't happen overnight. It was so gradual and subtle that ya, i just straight up didn't notice it at first. All taken care of now though. Thankfully
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Across 48 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (5 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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The body's running costsThe bill arrives as movement, not as a number on a scale. 235 records.
Knees, backs and the joints that start complainingThe thread's loudest physical answer, arriving as noise first and pain second.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Knees, backs and the joints that start complaining
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Knees, backs and the joints that start complaining
Appears when: The joints as the first part of the body to register the change
What the pattern means: The largest physical card in the corpus, and it opens with sound rather than pain: the popping and clicking that commenters treat as comic until it stops being funny. Knees lead, backs follow, and ankles, hips, feet and shoulders fill in behind them. The most useful thing this card establishes is a correction commenters make to themselves — several describe having filed the aches under ageing for years, then finding them ease when the weight came off, and one describes going the other way entirely, losing a hundred pounds and hurting exactly as much.
What commenters described: Then the knees, oh god, the knees.
Limit: Commenters attributing their own joint pain to their own weight, and at least one reporting no improvement after losing a great deal of it. Several are describing diagnosed injuries and arthritis. Nothing here establishes a cause for anyone else's pain. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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See, I took the same info and came to the opposite conclusion. If I'm going to be in pain either way, why add on the hours each week of menial anguish that exercise brings?
\- Looking to the left when changing lanes on my bike? Lightning down both arms. Looking right? Perfectly fine. \- Ever throw out your back so bad your spleen hurts? Pinch a nerve in the right spot and you’ll feel pain in a phantom location! \- Drop that thing again? Eh, I’ll pick it up when I need it. It ain’t worth bending over or squatting. \- Love a good stormy day so you have an excuse to stay inside? Not anymore! Now you made your own app to track barometric pressure swings. It gives you an hour heads up before a threshold will be triggered telling you to “do drugs, kid” Breaking my L4 at 7 years old was bad enough. There’s also a torn disk down there aggravating everything too. Breaking the T8 2 years ago has sucked all joy out of my life. My wife also injured hers. She stayed at home basically bedridden. I was still on tour working since we needed the money and my employer was fighting the insurance claim. Working like that broke me down. Being alone broke her down. My contract ended and I took care of her day and night. She got her fusion about a year after the injury. After I nursed her through her fusion she immediately started cheating. When I caught her she left. She said she knew it was evil but she couldn’t return the favor and left me alone. By that point I had been fired. I was called a liability and they questioned my ability to still physically do my job. Ironic since they were denying the effects of the accident. Do you know the one thing that makes absolutely every negative emotion you can go through worse? When your back hurts so much you have to teach yourself to cry quietly.
How much it affects your joints. I still felt almost just as strong as when I stopped working out, but my any time I was play wrestling with my kids or going on long family days out (especially anywhere with steep inclines or uneven ground) my body just seemed to start breaking down with knee, elbow, and neck injuries. Losing the weight did far more for getting rid of those than any amount of stretching or YouTube physio videos ever did.
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How much it affects your joints. I still felt almost just as strong as when I stopped working out, but my any time I was play wrestling with my kids or going on long family days out (especially anywhere with steep inclines or uneven ground) my body just seemed to start breaking down with knee, elbow, and neck injuries. Losing the weight did far more for getting rid of those than any amount of stretching or YouTube physio videos ever did.
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Then the knees, oh god, the knees.
That's how I got fat - my knees went bad, I'm getting them both replaced this year.
"Noisemakers" is genuinely such an accurate description, one wrong step off a curb and it sounds like you stepped on a bag of chips.
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Across 90 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (7 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Out of breath doing nothing muchStairs, bins, shoelaces — the exertions people did not previously count as exertion.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Out of breath doing nothing much
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Out of breath doing nothing much
Appears when: Finding the aerobic floor during an ordinary day
What the pattern means: What makes this card specific is the size of the tasks. Commenters do not report failing at exercise; they report being winded by stairs, by carrying shopping, by taking the bins out, by cutting their toenails, by talking while walking uphill. Two separate mechanisms are described and they are worth keeping apart: the conditioning that went, and the belly that gets in the way of the breath when a commenter bends or crouches. A recurring detail is the recovery time — the minutes afterwards, not the effort itself, are what people say they had never had to account for.
What commenters described: There's the obvious things like clothes getting tighter and your body shape changing. What got me was the shortness of breath: Up a flight of stairs? take a little breather. Gotta sprint to catch your bus or train or whatever? Spend the next 5 minutes recovering from your pulse going 180/120. Also it feels kinda nice to play with your belly, just resting it in your hand lol
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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Taking the elevator up or down a single floor at work so you aren’t winded the first several minutes of your next meeting.
You forgot another one, if you jog for even 3 minutes your lungs will feel like you're slicing them open and you will have random coughing fits for the next 5 hours
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There's the obvious things like clothes getting tighter and your body shape changing. What got me was the shortness of breath: Up a flight of stairs? take a little breather. Gotta sprint to catch your bus or train or whatever? Spend the next 5 minutes recovering from your pulse going 180/120. Also it feels kinda nice to play with your belly, just resting it in your hand lol
dawg this is so real. I was running acrosss a footbal feild like nothing a year ago and now walking across the penn state campus almost gives me a heart attack i stg hahaha
I very clearly remember being like 16 and walking up a slight hill with my parents and being confused at them being out of breath. I literally couldn't feel a single thing since I was working out daily for high school sports. Now I have to remind myself to breathe when taking the stairs up to the parking lot from the basement at work. My heart rate has consistently been hitting like 100 BPM after doing those ~20 steps. I still move at the same speed, but it's like hitting a brick wall with stamina.
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Across 31 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use a sensory reset” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Balance, agility and the things the body stopped doingNot strength but control: reaction time, jumping, moving through a crowd, getting out of a pool.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Balance, agility and the things the body stopped doing
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Balance, agility and the things the body stopped doing
Appears when: Losing control and reaction rather than losing strength
What the pattern means: The most interesting card in the physical themes, because it is not about power. Commenters report their strength largely intact and something else gone: balance, flexibility, reaction speed, the ability to catch a falling object, to jump a low fence, to weave through a crowd without knocking a drink. Several describe the mismatch as the actual problem — the mind still issuing instructions the body no longer executes — and two report the opposite finding, that carrying the extra weight around made their legs stronger than they had ever been.
What commenters described: I got skinny-fat due to inactivity because of accumulated injuries from a high-performance sport, and I think the worse about it is... I can't do the things I used to be able to do. I lived my life being able to do athletic things rather easily, so now having a hard time (if I'm able to at all) do the "cool, athletic feats" I used to be able to do is actually depressing. Like now I get why my friends thought what I was able to do was amazing, when I would just shrug it off as "you can do this too if you tried". It did make me realize the scale of capability; I went from being able to bench or deadlift considerably good weights or doing backflips and jumping really high to not being able to do pushups at all and being afraid to jump down a 2ft drop. Things that were normal to me then became amazing now, and I really, really wish I took care of myself more. I also wish I took more pictures of myself! My confidence dropped by a metric ton too, seeing the few pictures of myself made me realize "Oh shit, I really was that fit". Plus, people saying you were "hot" before--yeah kinda does a number on your head. People started treating me differently too, like I lost "invisible" priliveges in socialization that I wouldn't have realized had I not lost it. Maybe it's in the confidence, and it's so hard to explain, but; talking to people and socializing back then was waaay easier than it is now. People aren't as immediately receptive of me, and it takes a lot more effort to talk to people now. Even regular everyday "conveniences" like being flexible (which means dressing easily, tying my shoes no issues, or being OK bending or reaching from weird positions), or lifting heavy objects with little issues. But maybe the worse is my response time really slowed down, like I can't react fast nor move fast anymore. It's weird because I thought that's not a thing in everyday life, but no; picking up falling things mid-air, being spry enough to react immediately when something suddenly happened, or jumping out of the way of something, yeah these everyday things (maybe except jumping out of the way **😂**) apparently needs athleticism. And it's so depressing too, and it's even more depressing whenever I remember I used to take myself and my body for granted. I thought I'd always be like that! Aging slowed down my recovery too, I used to be able to pick myself back up from injuries and get back on track easily. So yeah, TL;DR 1. Not being athletic is surprising after a lifetime of being athletic 2. Things I did before is now amazing 3. Apparently, my confidence is very much tied to physical state 4. You lose your "athletic privileges" like flexibility, strength, and reponse time 5. This is kinda depressing, to be honest
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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Had the opposite experience- got stronger legs from carrying my fat ass around
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Had the opposite experience- got stronger legs from carrying my fat ass around
Fat makes everything more difficult. Planning your path through a crowd. Which chair can i sit in and not break. Dont move too fast or you'll knock something over. Even sleeping can cause hip and back pain which leads to less mobility and more weight gain. Buried penis makes even urination difficult.
The weight gain wasn't the surprise it was how quickly everyday things started feeling harder.
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Across 41 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Attach it to an existing routine” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Socks, shoelaces and everything out of reachThe single most concretely described change in the corpus, and the one most often named as the moment something had to change.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Socks, shoelaces and everything out of reach
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Socks, shoelaces and everything out of reach
Appears when: The moment a routine daily task stops being automatic
What the pattern means: This is the corpus's most concrete card and its most frequently named turning point. The task is nearly always footwear: bending to tie a shoe, getting a foot up to a knee, holding a breath to reach the laces. Around it sit the other reaches — wiping, cutting toenails, picking something off the floor, getting up off it. Commenters describe this differently from the way they describe pain or appearance, because it is not a matter of judgement: the shoe is either reachable or it is not, and several say that was exactly why it landed.
What commenters described: Struggling to put socks on was the thing that made me change my diet
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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I knew i was fucked when i had to hold my breath to tie my shoes lmao
Even putting on shoes and socks. It’s not reach down and pull your leg up anymore. It’s bend your leg sideways and pull it on.
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I can’t tie my shoe laces anymore without difficulty
Bending down to tie your shoes. And then being out of breath, because you can’t breathe while you’re bending down.
When wiping your ass becomes kinda difficult.
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Across 37 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Tired all the timeRecords where the answer is not a body part but a baseline.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Tired all the time
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Tired all the time
Appears when: A change in baseline rather than in any one activity
What the pattern means: Where other cards report a body part, this one reports a floor that moved. Commenters describe being tired before doing anything, waking up unrested, and — a recurring detail — losing the appetite for the things they used to do for pleasure rather than for fitness. Several of the strongest accounts here come from people who only identified the tiredness in retrospect, after it lifted, which is also why a few of them are careful to separate the effect of the weight from the effect of simply having got older.
What commenters described: Most of the answers are along these lines about confidence and social treatment, just throwing in that you really do feel like shit all the time. Especially if you’re used to being fit. Tired, bad sleep, achy, sweaty, enjoyable physical activity basically doesn’t exist
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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Yes everything that requires physical strength is more difficult. Joints hurt
The ppl who say that have probably felt shitty like that for so long that they don’t even realize HOW shitty they feel. They WON’T realize it until they get into shape lol
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It only takes a year of not working out to feel 20-30 years older.
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Most of the answers are along these lines about confidence and social treatment, just throwing in that you really do feel like shit all the time. Especially if you’re used to being fit. Tired, bad sleep, achy, sweaty, enjoyable physical activity basically doesn’t exist
My transition coincided with a back injury during middle age so it’s hard to blame it all on getting fat - probably 20-25 pounds overweight - but the lack of energy stands out the most. When I look back at my teenage years, it took nothing to motivate me to work out. When I decided to get stronger in my late 20s, I was good to go the moment I stepped in the gym - getting there was the challenge. At this point, I don’t really have the energy for more than walks on the beach and stretching.
The metabolic drain. I'm tired a lot.
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Across 28 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (4 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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The loop: it hurts, so you move less, so it hurts moreThe commenters who describe the mechanism as self-reinforcing rather than as a single slip.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: The loop: it hurts, so you move less, so it hurts more
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The loop: it hurts, so you move less, so it hurts more
Appears when: Recognising the change as self-reinforcing rather than as one slip
What the pattern means: A small card that does a lot of explanatory work for the rest of the article. These commenters are not describing a cause and an effect but a circuit: pain and fatigue reduce movement, reduced movement adds weight and removes conditioning, and both feed back into the pain. Two accounts add a second loop underneath — sleep quality and mood — and one describes the point at which the loop closes, when a body has become heavy enough that the exercise which would help is itself no longer comfortable to attempt.
What commenters described: For me it was realizing that I had fallen into some kinda of paradox. I was tired and everything hurt all the time so I didn’t work out. Every thing hurt and I was always tired because I wasn’t working out.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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For me it was realizing that I had fallen into some kinda of paradox. I was tired and everything hurt all the time so I didn’t work out. Every thing hurt and I was always tired because I wasn’t working out.
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For me, predisposed to inflammation & arthritis, 30-50lbs exacerbated chronic pain and mobility issues greatly. And that can turn into a death spiral when just staying upright becomes painful. You don't move, you gain more weight & lose core strength from & body wide muscle atrophy from not moving, & the spiral kind of feeds itself without proactive intervention. Then when you need to move you have minutes upright before you're in extreme pain and in danger of spinal injury because muscles can't support your own weight.
You lose energy and have zero motivation. Then when you do work out it hurts 1000x worse. Then you cant work out again for like 4 days and lose motivation again. This is me right now. I know what to do but cant do it.
The tipping point. I knew i was gaining weight after giving up smoking but there came a point where I was too heavy to comfortably exercise which exasperated the problem!
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The exact phrase “gain more weight” recurs across 2 of the 8 source records in The loop: it hurts, so you move less, so it hurts more; the complete archive stays available below.
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The things nobody warned them aboutThe answers that surprised the people writing them — temperature, texture, skin, sleep, and what the bloodwork said. 178 records.
Being uncomfortable every hour of the dayThe answer several commenters said nobody ever mentions, including two who report the reverse.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Being uncomfortable every hour of the day
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Being uncomfortable every hour of the day
Appears when: The continuous background sensation rather than any single symptom
What the pattern means: One commenter framed this as the answer nobody ever gives, and the records under it bear that out: waistbands, underwear, seat belts, armrests, folds that touch other folds, the belly rolling on itself when you sit down. The distinguishing feature is that none of it is about appearance — commenters are explicit that the adjusting is done for comfort, not for looks — and that it is constant rather than episodic. Three commenters who lost weight report the trade honestly in reverse, describing new discomforts of bone and cold.
What commenters described: Its never mentioned, but being fat is physically uncomfortable. Like 100% of the time you are uncomfortable. You adjust your shirt or pants not because it looks bad, but because its uncomfortable.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
Or even worse, your dick is constantly squished either because the underwear is tight or because it rides up or bunches up when walking. Also it looks smaller because of all the fat that hangs above it pushing it down
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You can literally feel your entire large body. It's so weird to me just feeling this much... body. Due to some health issues and medication changes, I went from about 190 lbs and fit 5'11 in Oct of 2025 to roughly 240 lbs now in August 2026 and just feeling my larger body is kinda overwhelming and I hate it. I very much dislike how I look and just how clothes feel on me. I've never been this big before - 225 was the most I've ever weighed back in HS but I was a wrestler and played football so I was in great shape at that weight. I feel pretty gross. It also seemingly came out of nowhere. I felt the weight coming but didn't realise how much and how fast. I weighed myself in January-ish and was like 210, then weighed myself again in like April and was 230 and now I hit 243 a few weeks ago.
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My belly jiggles when I move now. For 40 years nothing ever jiggled, now I feel like a jello cup.
As a back and forther for life, getting fat is uncomfortable af.
How uncomfortable it is. Ill never understand how people willingly stay like this. Feeling rolls all the time and not fitting clothes is not worth it to me. Not to mention literally everything is harder. Worst of all my dangalang shrank
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Across 68 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Attach it to an existing routine” (4 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Clothes stop workingSizes, fit, cost, and the wardrobe as the thing that noticed first.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Clothes stop working
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Clothes stop working
Appears when: The wardrobe as the first thing to register a change
What the pattern means: Clothes appear here as a measuring instrument that people trusted less than it deserved: several commenters describe concluding the dryer had shrunk everything before concluding anything about themselves. Beyond that, the card carries a cost and a fit problem that shopping does not solve — sizes that are cut for a different distribution of weight, big-and-tall pricing, a shirt that fits until it is washed, and one commenter's rule to stop waiting and buy clothes for the body he is in now.
What commenters described: Clothes shopping is also painful being overweight. It’s either too loose in weird spots or too tight and uncomfortable as peoples bodies carry fat differently.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
Assuming you can even find anything decent to wear in your size, too
I'm tall and relatively thin and the exact same thing applies. Clothes are made to fit the average. It also seems that the average is moving away from me every year I go clothes shopping
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Clothes shopping is also painful being overweight. It’s either too loose in weird spots or too tight and uncomfortable as peoples bodies carry fat differently.
Yeah. I'm reasonably fit, but I have pretty hefty thighs from squats and deadlifts. I am *so* **fucking** ***GLAD*** the skinny jeans fad is over. Still not *easy* to find Relaxed Fit (gotta either be Relaxed Fit to go over my thighs, or I need a belt so it doesn't fall off my hips), but at least not everything is "tourniquet chic" like it used to be.
Finding out my clothes were the real quitters 😭
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Across 35 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Create a default” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Running hot, sweating, never being cold againA change almost nobody says they expected, reported in both directions.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Running hot, sweating, never being cold again
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Running hot, sweating, never being cold again
Appears when: A change in temperature regulation nobody says they expected
What the pattern means: Reported almost entirely as a surprise, and reported symmetrically: commenters who gained say they stopped being cold and started sweating at rest, and commenters who lost say they became cold in weather that had never bothered them. The specific complaints are unglamorous and consistent — working up a sweat doing the dishes, soaking two shirts in one gym session, dreading summer, sweating during sex. Several commenters say this, rather than any mirror, is what they find hardest to live with day to day.
What commenters described: How much warmer I run. When I lose weight I get cold easier.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
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How much warmer I run. When I lose weight I get cold easier.
How much hotter (temperature-wise) I feel
How sweaty your ass crack gets. Underwear and pants wear out in thighs almost instantly
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Across 22 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Sleep, snoring and waking up worseRecords naming sleep quality, snoring and apnoea. Every one is a personal report, not a diagnosis.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Sleep, snoring and waking up worse
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Sleep, snoring and waking up worse
Appears when: Sleep quality as a reported casualty of the change
What the pattern means: A small card whose records are unusually consequential: commenters describe snoring that moved a partner into another room, waking up struggling to breathe, and sleep that stopped restoring anything. Several name sleep apnoea specifically, and two of them place it inside the loop described elsewhere in this article — worse sleep, less energy, less movement. One commenter names the weight below which it stops happening to him at all.
What commenters described: The thing that surprised me most was how much my sleep quality tanked. Once I gained some weight and got less active, falling asleep became a struggle and I'd wake up feeling more tired than before.
Limit: Commenters reporting their own snoring, breathing and diagnoses. Breathing problems in sleep are a matter for a clinician, and nothing in this card is a substitute for one. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
sleep apnea. never again letting myself go. i was killing myself
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I was in decent shape through college but after a couple years of long hours at work and skipping the gym, everything changed fast. The part that caught me off guard was how much my sleep got worse and how tired I felt all the time. It wasn't just the extra weight, my whole mood tanked too.
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The fact I started snoring causing my wife and I to have separate rooms as it's so so bad
I was in decent shape through college but after a couple years of long hours at work and skipping the gym, everything changed fast. The part that caught me off guard was how much my sleep got worse and how tired I felt all the time. It wasn't just the extra weight, my whole mood tanked too.
After a knee injury and too many takeout nights, the thing that hit hardest was how much my sleep tanked once I put on the weight. Waking up sore and sluggish every day felt way more draining than I expected.
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The exact phrase “tanked once i” recurs across 2 of the 11 source records in Sleep, snoring and waking up worse; the complete archive stays available below.
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Where the weight actually wentThe order the body changed in, and the parts commenters were surprised to find on the list.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Where the weight actually went
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Where the weight actually went
Appears when: The order and the places the body changed, which commenters did not predict
What the pattern means: Commenters expected a belly and report a sequence: neck first for one, then belly, then thighs; face for several; feet, ankles and shoe size for others. Two features recur. The first is that the face is what other people notice and what commenters themselves find hardest to recognise. The second is that some of the changes do not reverse with the weight — chest tissue and a stretched navel are both described as outlasting it — which is why this card sits apart from the ones about size.
What commenters described: Went from very skinny to about 30% heavier over the last decade. The sequence of body parts that get bigger was a surprise (neck, then belly, then thighs and ass). Oh, and my thighs being wider means they chafe on long walks, which never used to happen.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
I wouldn't say I was ever a 'fit guy' but I was pretty heavily muscled for most of my adult life (think strongman type body). But when I stopped working out five days a week I continued to eat like I was a family of 4, and even though I didn't gain much weight, I did notice the distribution of it being oriented lower and lower from my shoulders/chest into my belly. Losing weight was actually really easy, I just stopped eating like a family of four, paid attention to recommended servings, and kept it at 1.5 to 2 instead of 4 or 5. Lost about 60 pounds in 5 or 6 months, weigh less now than I did at 16 (at 35).
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I wouldn't say I was ever a 'fit guy' but I was pretty heavily muscled for most of my adult life (think strongman type body). But when I stopped working out five days a week I continued to eat like I was a family of 4, and even though I didn't gain much weight, I did notice the distribution of it being oriented lower and lower from my shoulders/chest into my belly. Losing weight was actually really easy, I just stopped eating like a family of four, paid attention to recommended servings, and kept it at 1.5 to 2 instead of 4 or 5. Lost about 60 pounds in 5 or 6 months, weigh less now than I did at 16 (at 35).
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Honestly how much my calves haven’t changed.
May sound weird, but growing up I was always insecure about how skinny I was and could never gain weight to make myself looks "big". Now I've gained almost 50 pounds and I feel very sturdy and strong and love that, but I also hate having deflated pecs and no abs. It's very conflicting.
Your man titties form and even when you lose a lot of weight they still stick around so now I have to work out again to get rid of them. Which is why I started working out again. Surprisingly, I am getting toned much faster this time around compared to how I started years ago.
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Across 24 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Swap instead of subtract” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Stretch marks and skinThe mark that outlasts the weight, described by people who did not know what they were looking at.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Stretch marks and skin
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Stretch marks and skin
Appears when: The marks that record the speed of the change
What the pattern means: A small, distinctive card: commenters describe not knowing what stretch marks were when they first appeared, one mistaking them for something under the skin, another noting that their colour depends on the skin they are on. What makes the group cohere is time — these are the records where a change that took months leaves something that does not go when the weight does, and loose skin after a large loss is described in the same terms.
What commenters described: Stretch marks. I first noticed them on me and almost had a panic attack thinking I had worms under my skin or something. When my GF explained what they were I immediately placeboed myself into feeling like I was about to pop. That was not a good evening lmao
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
unless you're dark-skinned, in which case they are not lol
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you start to feel your blood, and it's scary. also stretch marks are red at first.
Weird thing is, when I get about 30-50 pounds overweight, I can't really get bigger. I feel like I will explode and I get these stretch marks. My whole body is off balance and awkward and I end up naturally eating less until I go back down. I have 2 like stitch stretch marks on left and right side of my waist, my whole life where I go from like 170-220 xD. Lucky thing, cause I would probably be massive.
That when you already got fat you can't go back: if you lose all the gained weight your skin will be all loose forever. Surgery can help but it's surgery.
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Across 7 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (5 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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What turned up at the doctor'sRecords naming a specific reading, diagnosis or clinical event. These are what individual commenters say they were told; none is verified here, and none of it is medical advice.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: What turned up at the doctor's
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What turned up at the doctor's
Appears when: The change arriving as a reading, a diagnosis or an appointment
What the pattern means: The records where the story stops being about how a body feels and starts being about what somebody measured. Commenters name blood pressure, cholesterol, blood sugar, gout, a stroke and dialysis, and the striking thing is how often the reading arrives before any symptom did: several describe finding out from a routine test. One commenter's diagnosis arrived in a year in which he had lost weight rather than gained it, which is the card's own caution against reading any of this as simple cause and effect.
What commenters described: It's not just your looks. It comes as a, "gift box," containing all the hits: high blood pressure; high blood sugar; high cholesterol.
Limit: Individual people reporting what they say they were told at their own appointments, including results that contradict each other. None of it is verified, none of it establishes what causes what, and none of it should be read as a reason to change or avoid any treatment. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
You’re doing great! Try Revitaderm cream on your feet.
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It's not just your looks. It comes as a, "gift box," containing all the hits: high blood pressure; high blood sugar; high cholesterol.
Part of my intestines deciding to pop out from my belly button area.
the health problems........
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Across 11 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Create a default” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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How other people started treating themThe largest social finding in the corpus, and the commenters who argued it was really about something else. 143 records.
The temperature drop in everyday interactionsThe corpus's largest social finding, described mostly in very small units: a smile, a greeting, an amount of patience.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: The temperature drop in everyday interactions
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The temperature drop in everyday interactions
Appears when: Working out what changed in ordinary social contact
What the pattern means: The corpus's largest social finding, and its most carefully described. Commenters almost never report an insult; they report the withdrawal of small warmths — a smile withheld, a greeting that arrives flatter, less patience for what they are saying, being looked through in a queue. Several who have been on both sides stress that the change was invisible to them until they crossed back. The card also carries the thread's sharpest disagreement, between commenters who say the world responds to the body and commenters who say it responds to the confidence the body took with it, and both cases are made at length by people who lived through the change.
What commenters described: The change in attitude when people talk to you.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added3
The opposite also works. If somehow you're a fat person with a very good looking face (and a great personality to back it up) then the weight doesn't matter as much. But... you still have to get past first impressions, which you start out with a -10 score.
I was fit most of my life from childhood to mid 20s. Late 20s and now 30 I stopped working out bc of life and it’s awful feeling. I have a gym to my basement and I’ll slowly get back to it.
How different people treat you. A lot of people here say it happened fast - wasn’t that way for me. At my best I was 180. 7% body fat. I was doing a lot of MMA and associated training regiment. Strict diet. I had been 240 when I started. At that 180 peak, the amount of attention I got was pretty alien to me. I broke my hand and backed off of MMA and over time went up to 220, but I was working more toward overall strength. I think 200-220 was the best I ever looked. Still - the way people interacted with me was weird to me. I just - stopped. And it took 10 years but I landed at 290. I looked like a football player that got fat. Definitely noticed a massive shift in how people treat me. People at work challenge you more. Like because you are heavy you don’t have your shit together. Don’t know what you are talking about. Vertical movement slowed down - and mostly evaporated. I’m back down to 230. But I don’t have the muscle mass I did - so it’s a weird limbo. I’ll have people tell me I look scary. But still kind of clawing the physical appearance back. You do become acutely aware that part of your value is related to your waist size.
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Doesn’t work if your face is ugly
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People treat you way worse. Especially women. Getting up off the ground.
Yes, you do. Not everyone is fatphobic. Don't take blackpills like some others say you should
How people talk or interact with you. When fit, strangers or potential dating partners just strike up conversation. When fat I could literally go months without interacting with a stranger.
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Across 82 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Attach it to an existing routine” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
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Attention, dating and who looks at youWhere the thread is most explicit, and where its counter-examples are sharpest.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Attention, dating and who looks at you
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Attention, dating and who looks at you
Appears when: The specific change in romantic and sexual attention
What the pattern means: The most explicit part of the thread and the least unanimous. The majority report attention switching off — glances stopping, dating apps going quiet, going from flirted-with to background — and one names it as pretty privilege and says he had not realised it applied to men. Against that sit a genuine minority who report the reverse: commenters who say the dad bod drew more interest than the six-pack did, and one who says his career and earnings mattered far more to the people he dated than his body ever had.
What commenters described: Everyone is saying how easy it is to get fat, which is true. But the most surprising thing to me was the lack of attention I got afterwards. I am 6’5 and when I was fit I had the hottest women coming up to me and practically throwing themselves on me. Looking back, I could have had a lot of fun but I was insecure. In addition, people listened to me and wanted to be around me. Now I am 60-70lbs heavier and nobody gives me attention. I realized pretty privilege was not just a woman thing only. Men also receive it.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I have been both fit and fat and I get treated like garbage no matter what.
>when your fit they will cheat on their boyfriend to eat your ass I've always been pretty fit and this has literally never happened.
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Dude, I've been fat, to fit, to fat and the difference on how women treat you is just insane, when your fit they will cheat on their boyfriend to eat your ass and when your fat they either don't talk to you at all or act like they are so much better than you.
I used to get hit on at work or at random drive throughs and then I gained 100 pounds and it changed to "Jesus you got FAT!" and "what happened you stopped going to the gym???"
When I was at my fittest I had 3 women who were like fighting over me and all knew about each other. Now I’m just skinny and yeah I get multiple matches a day if I swipe but it’s not that same level of interest lol.
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Across 29 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (3 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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Taken less seriously at workA small group, but the only one where commenters attach an outcome rather than a feeling.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Taken less seriously at work
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Taken less seriously at work
Appears when: The change showing up in professional standing rather than in social warmth
What the pattern means: Four records, and the only card in the corpus where commenters attach an outcome rather than a feeling. What they describe is being read as less competent and less intelligent, feeling their presence in a room dissipate, taking more open hostility from colleagues, and — in the most concrete account here — being passed over for a coaching role they had the record for and had offered to do unpaid. The inference commenters draw is uncomfortable and they state it plainly: that some part of what they were assumed to be competent at was being read off their waistline.
What commenters described: You’re treated as less competent and less intelligent by others
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What replies pushed back on1
Hah, yeah I was only ever properly ripped during Covid (no parties and plenty of time to exercise at home), but I've always been a good-looking guy. Women, especially middle-aged women, will do and say things that would make Don Draper blush. I've been offered jobs, promotions, and even just straight-up cash to sleep with women in my days. I've had my ass pinched, my balls cupped and my cock grabbed just walking through a restaurant. I started wearing jeans as protection, not for comfort. I've told this part on Reddit many times, but me and four male friends worked out that not a single one of us hadn't been SAd by women (three rapes, one sexually assaulted, one used for sex by a boss under threat of being fired) but we didn't have trauma since society had taught us to count any sex as a win. I enjoyed my effect on women for exactly two years in my late 20s when I decided to use my powers for evil, but it quickly became stale. I used to wake up sweating after a one-nighter scared shitless I'd be baby-trapped. Then I met my now-wife, thank jeebus, and could sink all my attention and time into one woman and eventually my kids. My time isn't my own any more but I am far happier. Weirdly, unlike even the worst of my hound-dog friends, women don't even pretend to respect the ring - quite the opposite. It's like they're credit card companies and I've been pre-approved. But it gives me an excuse to act oblivious, which is all I need. And nowadays, if they fucking grope me, I tell the room and embarrass them.
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You’re treated as less competent and less intelligent by others
A lot more passive or blatantly aggressive remarks/actions at work. Everything hurt all the time. Just lost a bunch of weight due to a combination of overwork and illness and while I still deal with assholes at work it's not as bad face to face. Women also started not entering elevators with me or taking any sort of interest, even just polite passing interest, in my personal life. Now the office ladies are always trying to nose into my business.
Back to being fit. I gained some weight during the administrative phase of my medical career, but I have left that noise behind. There is a male equivalent of female pretty privilege in fitness. As you gain weight, you can become less commanding, and you can feel your presence in a room dissipate. There is also the straightforward issue of physical attractiveness, the actual male pretty privilege, round faces generally do not fare as well on men as sharp jaws. And then, the ugly, if women were held to the same standard of sexual assault as men ... the sheer number of women who are absolutely inappropriate when you are fit (touching your arms, poking your abs) is insane and is actually worse the older you are.
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Everyone tells you, as though it were newsComment from family, colleagues and strangers — in both directions, and unwelcome in both.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Everyone tells you, as though it were news
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Everyone tells you, as though it were news
Appears when: Being informed about your own body by people who know you
What the pattern means: This card is about commentary, and it runs in both directions, which is what makes it interesting: the same commenters who were told they had got fat report being told, on the way back down, that they were getting too thin or should be careful. Relatives, colleagues and a grandmother at a funeral all appear. The reported effect is not hurt feelings so much as fatigue — several describe avoiding specific people entirely — and one commenter's complaint is precisely that everyone treats it as information he did not already have.
What commenters described: EVERYONE you know or have ever met is going to say something about it like it’s news to you. Like man I just want to eat pizza and chill for a little while, is that fucking okay with you?
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I've got relatives that I don't even like to talk to because of the number of times they've talked about my body or looked at me a certain way
this happened to me when I lost a lot a weight. Lots of "wow! You look great!!"
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EVERYONE you know or have ever met is going to say something about it like it’s news to you. Like man I just want to eat pizza and chill for a little while, is that fucking okay with you?
As it started, I got so many "are you still working out?" warnings.
This gets on my nervous the most. Every time I lose weight some people cant stop telling me that Im "thin enough", as if Im anorexic. It annoys me even more than people mentioning if I weigh to much.
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The commenters who noticed no differenceThe dissent, kept with the answer it dissents from.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: The commenters who noticed no difference
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The commenters who noticed no difference
Appears when: Testing the thread's central claim against people it did not happen to
What the pattern means: Kept as its own card because the thread's dominant finding needs its exceptions visible. These commenters have often made exactly the same journey — one lost more than a hundred and fifty pounds — and report that nothing about how they were treated changed, that they did not feel better afterwards, or that nobody has said a word in years. Two note that they were being ignored before and are being ignored now. Their existence does not cancel the larger group, and this card does not pretend it does.
What commenters described: May I go the other direction? Because I was a fat kid growing up. Topped out at 335 lbs (6' 2") at 25. Lost 155 pounds in a couple of years total starting at 25 years old (the beginning phase, man you can lose weight quickly) through diet and exercise. And you know honestly? Nothing really changed. I mean I did it so I wouldn't get like diabetes at 30 or something, and I'm undeniably healthier than I would have been if I kept the weight on (I'm now in my early 50s - I've been between 175-185 lbs for 25+ years now). Women didn't start looking at me differently. They still ignore me. I was married at 22, and got divorced about 10 years ago. I tried online dating, etc. Women didn't treat me any differently. I'm in a great relationship now, but I'm just saying, it's not like women ignored me before and now they are interested. For the most part, they still just ignore me. I don't "feel better," because I honestly didn't feel badly when I was fat. Clothes are easier to shop for - being fat sucks for clothes shopping. But my own personal experience is that there was not some magical change for me from being massively overweight to being an appropriate weight for my height. I more or less felt the same. The loose skin absolutely sucks though.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
Ppl that feel physically bad when overweight have underlying health issues that are exacerbated by being fat, treating the fat helps for sure, but its not resolving the issue its addressing a symptom.
It’s because they know you afford to eat surplus, like a medieval king, so the noobs must show reverence, in hopes they can get a few table scraps.
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I will take the subverted route, but I “let myself go” for 6-7 years due to work, ms degree, marriage, and kids. You really couldn’t tell that much. I will looked like someone who lifted even though I maybe would work out once a month during all those years. I maintained a fairly moderate diet, and probably only gained 25 lbs at my heaviest and that was compared to my absolute leanest I started lifting again 3 years ago and I look within striking distance of my peak 10 years ago. I would like to lose another 10 lbs. my strength is not what it used to be, but I have been trying to train lifts and movement patterns that I didn’t do when I was a serious lifter. Trying to pick up those low hanging fruits that I missed out on. I doubt I will ever beat my max deadlift from when I was in my 20s unless I hop on gear, so let’s try to focus on other things
No one around you still gives a shit
It's actually not that bad at all. I don't have to think too much about what I eat, although I still eat pretty healthy. And contrary to some other comments here, I don't get treated different or even worse at all! People seem to like me even more!
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What it did to their headsConfidence, mood and motivation, including the commenters who say they came out of it happier. 89 records.
ConfidenceNamed as the first thing to go by more commenters than any physical symptom in this theme.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Confidence
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Confidence
Appears when: The first thing several commenters say they lost
What the pattern means: Named ahead of any physical symptom by more commenters in this theme than anything else, and described as disproportionate to the change that caused it — a commenter who says he is not even fat, just no longer the size his old colleagues remembered, and one who put on a hundred and forty pounds describe the same collapse. The recurring specifics are avoiding mirrors, avoiding photographs, avoiding the gym in particular, and not wanting to be seen by people who knew the earlier body. Several commenters trace the social changes in this article back to here rather than the other way round.
What commenters described: Confidence drops by a lot. Also people see you and treat you differently. But I’ll be back!
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
Confidence especially drops when you realize you need a new wardrobe. Those medium shirts don't look flattering at all, in fact the opposite now.
My confidence dropped. It affected my sex life. My gf said she still found me sexy but I didnt find myself sexy so was not sending her photos or interested in sex. I would get heart pains on occasion. I couldn't climb trees anymore. I maxed out at 1 pull up. Everything was harder. Hiking was less enjoyable and I didn't want to do activities anymore My clothes didn't fit anymore and I had to buy new ones, which only lasted a while till I gained more weight I woukd get bad stomach problems all the time. I spent the age of 22-38 being super fit, then let it slide and by 41 I was 235 lbs. On June 1st of this year I finally clicked back into it. I went from literally 0 to 100 overnight. ALL sugar and processed foods cut out. I won't even have a single cookie, ever. I eat salads and chicken wraps and rice bowls, fruits and nuts, eggs and 0 sugar oat milk. I did this once when I was 22 and knew the fastest way to recovery was to go hard-core on the diet and exercise again I took up daily running of 5k and biking 15k alternating and the occasional bouldering session. By July 1st, just 30 days, I already lost 30lbs. Now Im down another 10. Im at 195 and only have 5lbs left to lose till I hit my ideal weight, which should be in another couple weeks. Now im starting to bring hard-core bouldering and hiking as well as weapons training back into the mix to rebuild lost muscle. I expect to be 100% back to normal and in the best shape of my life by December. Never again will I let myself go. It was a huge reminder of what life was like back in my late teens and early 20s before I got fit. Now I truly do feel sorry for anybody who's not into fitness. Life is just 10000x better in every way with it. I was lucky and had a good base, making it easier to recover, but I know there's people my age who have never been into fitness. And those people will struggle 5x if they take it up now..... but let me tell you all, its worth it. Adds 20+ years of to your life
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Confidence drops by a lot. Also people see you and treat you differently. But I’ll be back!
Confidence especially drops when you realize you need a new wardrobe. Those medium shirts don't look flattering at all, in fact the opposite now.
How ugly I look. And It's actually surprisingly harder to tie my shoes.
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Mood, motivation and mental healthWhere the causation runs in both directions, and where several commenters say it started before the weight did.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Mood, motivation and mental health
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Mood, motivation and mental health
Appears when: Where the weight and the state of mind are hard to separate
What the pattern means: The card where causation refuses to run one way. Commenters describe depression that preceded the weight and depression that followed it, and several report the specific and surprising finding that the discipline itself stopped being available to them — the same person, with the same knowledge, unable to execute a routine they had run for years. Grief, prison, poverty, a concussion and eating disorders all appear as named contexts, and two commenters use the thread to say plainly that some of what is being described in it needs help rather than a plan.
What commenters described: You actually lose your ability to maintain discipline as your physical health goes to shit. It affects your cravings like crazy when cutting weight, your energy levels when trying to keep a gym schedule etc. I've been locked in before counting every calorie I ate, gym 6 days a week, bulking and cutting with precision. After COVID and getting fat I tried to follow the same process and was horrified that I just.... Couldn't. Like I'm the same person. I have the same knowledge. Why can't I just do what I did before? So much of motivation and discipline relies on your brain chemicals hormonal state that it's crazy that it can change.
Limit: Commenters describing their own mental health, including eating disorders and periods of crisis. These are personal accounts, not descriptions of how anyone else's mind or body works, and they are not a substitute for support from a professional. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I feel you. I Had an accident when squatting in 23. Lost all my muscles, went Back to The Gym 4 months ago.. i felt and still feel so awful, knowing what ive lifted before and now i struggle With 75kg bench Press.. its sad
Same here with a back injury for 2 years. Tell myself it just means we get to experience the faster gains when you first start lifting all over again
Where commenters report limits
How much i hated it. I'm back now but years ago I was in a bad relationship and let myself go.
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I was in a bad car accident that took me out the gym for two years. i didn’t really get fat but i lost all muscle i worked for years to get. for me it took the biggest hit to my mental. i became so unconfident that to this day i still have bad social anxiety despite getting all my muscle back and then some.
Holy Reddit comment Getting fat is one of the worst things, slowly watching your body waste away, losing control. Being fat is just the end result of that horrible process. Everything before that is terrible too Getting fit is fun if you make it fun. For many people working out is one of the better parts of their daily lives. Either that or it's just a routine like brushing teeth
ITT: A massive amount of people with disordered eating, eating disorders, mental health issues, body dysmorphia, and more that really do need to be treated….and your “gym grind” routines and food restrictions won’t fix any of that. Get help, friends, and I genuinely mean that.
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The ones who say they are happierAnswers that do not fit the question's premise, kept at their own count rather than folded into anything.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: The ones who say they are happier
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The ones who say they are happier
Appears when: The answers that do not fit the question's premise
What the pattern means: A real minority position, kept at its own count. These commenters report the trade in the other direction: food that means something again, a life that is not organised around a deficit, less irritability, more time, and in several cases a relationship that did not care. What distinguishes them from the article's other cards is that they are not describing an absence of the changes reported elsewhere — most acknowledge those — but a different judgement about whether the exchange was worth it.
What commenters described: ripped but depressed, I am now happy and fat
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
I’m the opposite to be honest I enjoy food more now and my sweet cravings are non-existent (and even when I do eat sweet things, the craving for more sweet things isn’t there) I think there’s subliminally a “eat good, feel good” thing going on in my head
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Gaining self confidence. I think when I was shredded I had this complex in my head where my minor imperfections would be a bigger deal than they really were and I suffered bad from body dysmorphia. Fast forward to gaining some weight and not working out as much and now I just don’t care anymore about what others think about my body. I’m still healthy but now I’m happy not trying to constantly upkeep this physical standard I had for myself.
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Previous fat guy here. Its SO much more fun eating whatever you like. Food has meaning again other than just for fuel. I'm athletic now at 50 years old. But I can tell you I miss how good food made me feel. Emotionally anyway.
I have trouble finding motivation to lose it. I am honestly much happier with a few extra pounds (more like 50, 31 bmi). My love life also inexplicably improved by leaps and bounds. Dadbod really works.
I enjoyed the feeling of being harder to move. I’m a grown up and never going to get into a fight, but enjoyed feeling heavier in that way. But I didn’t like the way I looked in the mirror. Lost the weight.
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Sex, and the body below the beltOne of the highest-voted answers in the whole thread, and the mechanics people gave for it. 46 records.
What the fat pad does below the beltThe thread's highest-voted single subject, with the anatomy explained inside it by the commenters themselves.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: What the fat pad does below the belt
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What the fat pad does below the belt
Appears when: Understanding an anatomical change several commenters found alarming
What the pattern means: The single highest-voted subject in the whole thread, and the explanation is supplied inside the card by the commenters themselves: fat accumulating in the pad above the pubic bone hides length that has not gone anywhere, which is why the several commenters who lost the weight report it coming back. The accounts are consistent about the effect being visual and positional rather than a loss, and one commenter who works in medicine says it is commoner than people assume.
What commenters described: The way I heard it was, the penis is anchored to the pelvis, more or less. You add some fat, the penis stays where it was... you add a LOT of fat, and... it's like fire hydrant getting buried in a snow drift.
Limit: Commenters explaining anatomy to each other, not clinicians. The explanation given here is theirs and is not verified, and the reversal several describe is their own report of their own bodies. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
Not only that but for me I’ve completely lost my sex drive.
You merely adopted the small penis. I was born with it, molded by it.
Where commenters report limits
Yep, in my adult life I’ve been as low as 135 and as high as 256ish. The difference in my dick between the two is basically incomprehensible. Especially since not only does it look like a lot less when I’m fat, but it doesn’t work as well either.
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Penis looks smaller & feels smaller
On the bright side, someone who loses a lot of weight could suddenly discover that they're huge to a degree they never realized and get a huge boost of confidence.
I'm not even kidding after covid I put on 90 pounds. My dick got smaller cause I put on so much weight and rolling out of bed sucked. Also how tf do extremely obese people while thier ass. I'm down to 250 with another 50 to go and holy duck I feel so much better.
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Within 35 source records, 0 explicitly report a benefit and 1 explicitly report a limit or failure. These are attributed experiences, not effectiveness data.
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Sex drive and sex itselfLibido, stamina and logistics, including the two commenters who report the opposite.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Sex drive and sex itself
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Sex drive and sex itself
Appears when: The change showing up in libido, stamina and logistics
What the pattern means: Three separate things are being reported and they are worth keeping apart: desire, which several say fell away entirely; performance and stamina, described as the exertion becoming the obstacle; and simple mechanics, including a belly in the way and the sweating reported elsewhere in this article. A commenter offers a hormonal explanation for the first of these and it is left in his words. The card's counterpoint is unusually sharp: two commenters report the opposite, one having got his drive back precisely by easing off the regimen.
What commenters described: Not only that but for me I’ve completely lost my sex drive.
Limit: Personal reports about libido and function, including one commenter's own explanation of the hormones involved. That explanation is not verified here, and sexual-health questions belong with a doctor rather than a comment thread. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
Same here. I didn’t “let myself go” but I took a big step back from my diet and fitness regimen. I didn’t have a super strong sex drive and now all of a sudden I’m an animal.
Being fat absolutely fucks your testosterone. Fat cells contain aromatase enzymes which are responsible for converting test into estradiol. So you end up with low libido, low strength, low motivation, and even more fat.
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Not only that but for me I’ve completely lost my sex drive.
You can also definitely feel the belly getting in the way during sex..
Orgasm quality decreased. I don't feel explosions anymore.
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Food, appetite and the arithmeticHow small the daily numbers turn out to be, how much the appetite moves, and the argument the thread has with itself about blame. 181 records.
The arithmetic, and how small the numbers areThe daily surplus commenters worked out after the fact, and the food environment they blame for it.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: The arithmetic, and how small the numbers are
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The arithmetic, and how small the numbers are
Appears when: Working out afterwards what the daily difference actually was
What the pattern means: The most quantitative card in the corpus, and its finding is that the number is embarrassingly small: commenters who went back and did the sums arrive at a daily surplus in the hundreds of calories rather than the thousands, and several identify the specific vehicle — a can of something, the cooking oil that disappears into the pan, a sauce packet, a restaurant portion. The second half of the card is about the food environment rather than the eater, with commenters arguing about how far engineered palatability explains the first half, and that argument is not settled here.
What commenters described: The thing I have learned this year since I've started tracking all my food intake is just how easy a few hundred calories are to slip in at any given meal, in the form of oil. Oil is liquid fat, and a tablespoon is like 120 kcal. And it just disappears into the food. You might taste it or the lack of it, but it doesn't make you that much more full or make the plate feel bigger. And so many dishes are cooked with a ton of oil. I'm the opposite of this thread, a fat guy getting fit, but I've been sticking with a deficit since I've been tracking. And you're right, it's _tough_. But if you learn to cook, and _what_ to cook, it gets easier. Variety makes it feel less like diet and more like just eating.
Limit: Commenters doing their own arithmetic with their own estimates. The figures quoted are theirs, several are disputed by other commenters in the same sub-thread, and none of them is a calorie target for anyone. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
>everything that tastes good is bad for you Patently incorrect. There's a shitload of healthful food choices that taste really good. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they taste bad.
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This is so true. Using an app to count calories you quickly realize how many you consume and how quickly the number rises. When you branch away from meats and veggies for filler you have to get creative quickly. That or really watch your portion size and accept you'll be hungry a lot quicker. And it gets worse when you start getting down there. 1,700-1,900 calories is rough some days for me.
An egg has somewhere between a quarter and an eighth of the daily sodium requirement.
Eating 3,000 calories is so, so, so much easier than burning 3,000 calories
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Hunger, cravings and appetite that movesThe recurring finding that appetite follows intake rather than leading it.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Hunger, cravings and appetite that moves
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Hunger, cravings and appetite that moves
Appears when: Discovering that appetite follows intake rather than leading it
What the pattern means: The most useful mechanism in this theme, and it is reported repeatedly and independently: commenters describe appetite recalibrating to whatever they have been eating within days, so that the same meal is satisfying at one point and not at another. Around it sit the specifics — cravings that arrive with sleep debt, taste that changes after a stretch of eating differently, and the food noise several describe as the actual difficulty. This is also the card where the emotional relationship with food is discussed directly, prompted by a commenter who says he has never had one.
What commenters described: I've never been super fit or super fat but I fluctuate a lot. And I agree complacency is a big thing. What never ceases to amaze me how quick my body appetite changes. If I consistently eat 3000-4000 calories a day, I crave and feel hungry if I "only" ate 2500 calories that day. If I consistently eat 1600 calories a day, I only need to stick to it for a few days then I won't get cravings as long as I get my 1600. Your body can only need a short time to get used eating a lot, even 2000 more calories than you need. But cutting is tough, its not like you can just as easily do a 2000 calorie deficit every day, you still need basic sustenance.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I cope with my bit of fat by thinking of it as a prepper headstart. If shit hits the fan, I've got a week of life giving fat on me. As long as I can still do cardio for hours on end, I'm not going to be overly concerned with a few extra pounds. Besides, food is good. I'd rather eat good than look good.
No I get it with carbs. The quote that confused me is “when you branch away from meats and veggies for filler…” meats, especially fatty meats, sure. They’re calorie dense. But veggies are exactly what I used at first until I got my portion sizes under control. Mostly it was giving up booze that got me underway but replacing my daily half bag of chips with a couple of carrots and a handful or two of spinach until my stomach shrunk was a life saver.
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Yeap. I'm trying to lose some weight. Fuck, I don't wanna be fit, or muscle guy or anything like that. I have a pretty nice height and I just need to lose 10 KG and keep myself there. But is so damn hard. I don't like working out, I'm trying to do some movement around the house and exercise for a little here and there, I know is better than nothing. But I love food. I tried to shift my diet into the more less caloriies one but god damn it I hate it. I tried recipes after recipes that i found on the internet with low fat cheese, law fat yogurt, replace that with the other, replace whatever...I hate it. I like a fucking good cheese on my chicken/beef burger. I love my fucking ice cream and the low sugar one not only cost double, but it doesn't even have enough variety or it doesn't even taste the same. I want my fried chicken, fuck the oven made one. Is not as juicy, is not as good. Is impossible for me to keep up. I do have days where I eat some veggies with a sad chicken and fuck off mad, but I can't keep it. Is so fucking hard. The life is shit as it is, I don't want to eat sad food.
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I lost so much weight and looked so good at 1700 calories a day But I felt absolutely miserable and was really irritable and quick to snap at everyone around me I bumped it up to 2000 and accepted a little bit of fat and I'm way happier. 1700 was doable but just not fucking worth the misery.
Getting to my goal weight at 1700 put my maintenance at 1700.
Idk why this got downvoted, I feel pretty similar about food, there's no real emotional attachment. I like good food and I enjoy eating it, but there's no connection beyond how it tastes.
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What individual commenters said worked for themWhat people report having done. These are personal accounts, not recommendations, and several contradict each other.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: What individual commenters said worked for them
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What individual commenters said worked for them
Appears when: Reading what other people in the same position tried
What the pattern means: The corpus does contain concrete accounts of what people did, and they are kept together here rather than scattered through the article, because collectively they contradict each other in a way that is itself the finding. Fasting windows, tea, tracking, walking targets, swapping to zero-sugar drinks, meal prep, weighing daily, swimming after a back injury, training late at night around a toddler — each is reported as having worked for the person reporting it, and no two of them agree on a method.
What commenters described: The quickness is crazy. But also cutting intake and movement everyday can be a quick fix too if you can stick with it. I cut 99% of my sugar intake, upped my protein and skip lunch 5 days a week and walking 10-15,000 steps average per day. Went from 265 to 220 in a month and a half.
Limit: A list of what individual strangers say they did, not a set of recommendations. Several of these approaches are contradicted by other commenters in the same thread, some involve substantial restriction, and what suits one person's health may not suit another's. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added1
it works for you, but I wouldn't recommend it for others. night workouts are terrible for sleep and not ideal for gains. the further you can remove the workout from your bedtime, the better.
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The quickness is crazy. But also cutting intake and movement everyday can be a quick fix too if you can stick with it. I cut 99% of my sugar intake, upped my protein and skip lunch 5 days a week and walking 10-15,000 steps average per day. Went from 265 to 220 in a month and a half.
Try the fake sugar bbq sauces. Sure they have a few calories but it's close enough to zero I don't count them. I do allow sides but it's usually a bean or pea since they're relatively high in protein and fiber. They're also cheap. I have some "mashed potato squash" growing in my parents garden, looking forward to trying that as it'll 3x the fiber and less than half the calories of potatoes.
I swapped from Dr Pepper to Diet Dr Pepper... I drink way too much soda, but I dropped like 25 lbs in a few months just with that. Now I drink more water than anyone probably should, I have to pee all the time, but I'm 5'10 155 now, and feel small, but ok....
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Across 50 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (9 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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The argument about willpowerOne comment set this off, and the replies to it are the most substantive disagreement in the corpus.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: The argument about willpower
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The argument about willpower
Appears when: Testing whether the thread's accounts describe a failure of discipline
What the pattern means: The most substantive disagreement in the corpus, and it is worth reading in full because both sides are argued by people who have been heavy. It is set off by a comment insisting that food, not medication, is the proximate cause of any weight gain, and the replies do not deny the arithmetic — they dispute what follows from it, arguing that a drug which alters the hunger signal changes what the person is being asked to override. The exchange is rendered here as the commenters' own words rather than summarised into a verdict, because the thread did not reach one.
What commenters described: It’s just that we know enough about obesity now to know that it is not a question of willpower. This isn’t me getting mad and arguing. It’s just factual. I have a successful career that I could not possibly have achieved without having my shit together and being able to achieve my goals. I’m just also fat. I’ve already accepted that I won’t find love while in this body; I don’t need someone to tell me that I’m not entitled to romance and relationships—I know it and I’m not asking for that. I only want to be treated with the same dignity and warmth as others are.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I try telling myself that same thing every day. It’s much easier to say it than it is to live it.
You have no idea how trivially easy it is to manipulate the human experience with drugs.
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I think everyone knows where calories come from.
I wish society didn't make this embarrassing to talk about...because it's not! Stuff like this happens, and appetite is controlled by very very animalistic hormones that sometimes we have little control over (and as you know, medications can influence). It will be ok! Once you regulate your medication and get stable with what's most important right now (likely your primary health concern), there are other things that can help counterbalance the appetite issue so you don't feel so out of control.
You know, feeling hungry is okay...
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Across 18 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Attach it to an existing routine” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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The road backEveryone agrees it is harder in this direction. They do not agree on how much harder, or on what it costs. 139 records.
Why the way back is so much harderThe asymmetry everyone agrees on, described with the specifics that make it concrete.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Why the way back is so much harder
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Why the way back is so much harder
Appears when: Finding out what the return journey actually costs
What the pattern means: Every commenter in this theme agrees on the direction and this card is where they get specific about the size. The recurring numbers are ratios — years to build, months to lose, and much longer again to rebuild — and the recurring explanation is that the starting point moved: several describe discovering they were not fit enough to begin the beginner's programme, spending months on range of motion before any load, or picking up tendon injuries in the first fortnight. Age is named constantly as the multiplier, and one commenter's long account of hunger signalling after repeated regains is the most detailed single record in the corpus.
What commenters described: I wish that were the case, but my “most surprising thing” is how incredibly long and how incredibly difficult those beginner gains are. Back in the day, I could get out of shape and pick it back up relatively quickly. I could decide to go running, follow a couch to 10k program, start lifting weights, and be sort of fit within a few months. After I spent several years letting myself go, I expected that same climb out of the hole. I thought I could just lace up my shoes, hit the gym, and be normal again quickly. I was very wrong. When you’re very out of shape, the starting point is so far back. I wanted to run, but when I went out there I realized how weak my core was, how bad my posture was, and how poorly equipped my tendons, ligaments, and stabilizers were at supporting the extra 40 pounds I gained. After a few attempts and the quick onset of tendon issues, I realized that I wasn’t even fit enough to *start* a running plan. In the gym it was the same story. Even “basic” exercises were limited by my poor range of motion and severe muscle imbalances developed over years of inactivity and a sedentary lifestyles. I have lifted enough in my life to know good form, and it made me miserable to know I was so out of shape to even support basic posture to have correct form. To get back into shape, I had to spend months doing the most sad and ultra simple exercises (think no resistance movements aimed at increasing range of motion) just to get my body to a point where I could do beginner exercises. Sure I had “beginner gains” by my gains were things like “after 3 weeks, I can finally rotate my torso without my back cramping” or “finally after a month I can get into a squat position with the proper form, as long as I use something to support myself”. As someone who used to be a competitive athlete, it’s a humbling experience. I feel like I’m a lifetime away from doing the things I could do a decade ago.
Limit: Personal accounts of what returning to fitness took for the people writing them, including one long lay explanation of hunger hormones that is that commenter's own and is not verified here. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
there's the golden window of time when you're first getting fat but you're still fit.
I've never been super fit or super fat but I fluctuate a lot. And I agree complacency is a big thing. What never ceases to amaze me how quick my body appetite changes. If I consistently eat 3000-4000 calories a day, I crave and feel hungry if I "only" ate 2500 calories that day. If I consistently eat 1600 calories a day, I only need to stick to it for a few days then I won't get cravings as long as I get my 1600. Your body can only need a short time to get used eating a lot, even 2000 more calories than you need. But cutting is tough, its not like you can just as easily do a 2000 calorie deficit every day, you still need basic sustenance.
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I tore my hip at 36 and I had to start back on the 8kg kettlebells doing goblet squats 6 months later...from a 190kg squatter. You're doing aight with the 75kg bench presses. Unfortunately I haven't been the same since so I hope you're doing better than me lmao
Frustrated that I can't get back on the weightloss wagon despite knowing how great I felt when I lost 40LB. I slowly gained 65LB from my late 20's to 40's. Shortish dude at about 5'6"/5'7". 135LB would be middle of the BMI 'Normal' range for my height apparently. I maxed and continue to max out at about 195-200LB when I regain. This puts me just over the line into the 'Obese' BMI range. Put it this way, only my chin and face is a giveaway if I stand straight, deep inhale and pull in my belly. So yeah I'm fat and technically obese but I'm not 'Fat-Fat' if you get me....or maybe I'm just kidding myself! LOL Anyway when I lost the 40LB of the 65LB I would have ideally lost, I was surprised that a lot of what I thought were age related issues were just the physical belly and visceral fat compromising breathing and certain body positions. Even twisting to wipe my own god damn ass was surprisingly easier and like I said its not like I was a 300LB morbidly obese individual who could no longer physically reach my ass properly. Just the twisting my torso was harder, bending over to put on socks and shoes was harder, climbing was harder, walking up stairs was harder. Turns out I wasn't getting physically less fit and out of breath and weak anywhere near to the degree I thought I was. I was simply compressing my diaphragm and lungs with the tightly packed visceral and belly fat pushing up into it any time I did the afrementioned that was causing the shortness of breath. When I lost the 40LB and was no longer carrying around 3-4x 15LB sacks of potatos 24/7 (I'm Irish, I am allowed use a Potato analogy) but still had the calf and thigh muscles built to lift all that, and with all the visceral and a lot of the subcutaneous belly fat gone and no longer compromising lung capacity, well I felt like I was walking on air all the time. Other changes where the systemic inflammation subsided. Turns out those aches and pains and cramps weren't age related like I thought either, just more of the metabolic syndrome. I started getting daily morning wood again for the first time in 2 decades. However......the thing that bit me and everyone else on the ass no matter how you lose the weight if you let it is the hormonal signalling to regain the weight. Your genetics will define how many fat cells you are born with and develop till adulthood. Thats your starting body set weight. If you never eat at a calorie surplus for too long, your body will do its best to maintain it, mostly due to fat cells switching off their hormonal hunger signalling when full. However, when you push passed that and over eat and gain weight beyond that for whatever reason, the body needs to start making new fat cells to absorb and store the calorie excess. You are reseting your Body set weight heigher. Now, the hormonal hunger signalling only switches off when those new extra fat cells are full too. So how did this all play out with me? So a small irregular amount of over eating/drinking balanced by a more physical job in my 20's kept me closer to my ideal weight and I hovered around 145LB. Late 20's I changed to a less strenuous job and developed a serious Coca Cola Habit. I never ate breakfast and with other lifestlye changes I was virtually OMAD (One Meal a day) but was now consuming a serious amount of daily calories from Coke. So it didn't matter that my fat cell modulated hunger hormone signalling was off as my complement of fat cells were full, it was thirst signalling causing me to ingest all those surplus calories because I was hydrating myself with liquid calories. So thats how I raised my Body Set weight to 200LB with all those extra fat cells. The slow weight gain forever stopped when I switched to Coke Zero. When I happened to come across and OMAD Intermittent Fasting weightloss video backin in 2018 I realised that I had naturally fallen into it before I ever knew it was a thing. I wasn't losing weight doing it all those years because of the liquid Coke calories and as soon as I cut out the coke and started to lose weight the fat cell modulated Body Set weight hunger signalling kicked in and increased my appetite till my OMAD meals were maintenance calories. A curse in hindsight. Once my OMAD meals were maintenance and my fat cells were full again I settled back at 200LB and stayed there without conscious effort. After learning about OMAD and IF I decided to try extended rolling fasts to actually lose weight. 48-72hr fasts, maintenance cal OMAD refeed, 48-72hr fast repeat for months on end. I lost the 40LB quickly and easily. As soon as I fell off the wagon before my goal weight due to a truamatic event and stopped GAF, my appetite exploded and regained as quickly as I lost it. Ironically still deep Internittant fasting of 18:6 but because my 'OMAD' meals were already maintenance, any extra meal was de facto a calorie surplus. After a few months of not GAF I realised my months long extra appetite disappeared in the space of a week and for the first time in months I got on the scale. 200LB where I remained thereafter. ie Once my 200LB body set weight quotient of fat cells were full, the hormonal hunger signalling switched back off in the space of a week. This has happened a few times now with several 30-40LB weight loss and rapid regains that settle back at 200LB. This to me proves Body Set Weight Fat Cell Hormonal hunger signalling theory. Its why the terrible regain stats are the same no matter what method you use to lose weight. You literally have to be able to maintain the weightloss for enough years for long lived empty fat cells to die off to take their contribution to the hunger hormone signalling out of the equation in order to reset your body set weight lower again. That, or Liposuction or Cryolipolysis to physically kill/remove fat cells before their natural time. My experience also shows that Intermittent or extended fasting is not magic either. The IF/EF will indeed help cure inflammation, promote autophagy and have numerous other overall metabolic health benefits like curing insulin resistance but in terms of weightloss its still a matter of CICO, its just that IF/EF can be a very healthy and easy and sustainable way to create large calorie deficits that deliver quicker mentally reinforcing results without the downsides of such large calorie deficits achieved by conventional diets. ie. You can maintain or even gain weight with IF if you just move the calories from the skipped meals to your remaining meals or even just eat a huge single meal a day like I am now unfortunately capable of doing! LOL The magic of IF/EF is that the other main hunger hormone called grehlin (Leptin is the Fat cell one) your body learns to secrete at your regular meal times whatever they may be to remind you to eat. It has psychosomatic effects like hangriness, jelly legs, headaches, lethargy that most people interpret as hypoglycemia when its nothing of the sort (Your Liver and muscles store 24-36hrs of glucose as Glycogen). A Ghrelin surge lasts no more than 2 hours. once it abates, so do the psychosomatic effects. The cool thin is you only need to skip a given meal time or snack for a few days in a row to deprogram that Ghrelin surge. Now you will no longer feel hunger nor crave anything nor feel like you are missing anything. As long as you don't move the missed calories to the remaining meals or snacks then you have created a substantial calorie deficit without constant effort. You just have to be mindful to not start eating again at a given time for a few days in a row lest you reprogram a Ghrelin surge for that time again. ie. Keeping a 3 meal a day plus 3 snacks conventional 'diet' where every one of those meals is just a smaller portion means a constant state of feeling like you are depriving yourself. No meal is satisfying and if you push the calorie deficit too hard you risk crashing your metabolism. When you spike your insulin 6 times a day with all those low cal meals and snacks your body simply doesn't have enough low insulin hours left to burn enough body fat to make up for the calorie deficit. (Insulin is the fat storage hormone. you can only store not burn fat when insulin is in the blood). When the body can't burn enough fat to make up for the calorie deifict it has no other option than to slow you metabolism instead. You can end up crashing when your lowered metabolism matches your diet calorie intake so you push the calorie deficit even higher but your metabolism resumes the chase. You eventually give up or reach goal weight and go back to eating what should be your new maintenance at yuour lower weight. You don't cheat. You are already fighting hard and you think successfully against the fat modulated hormonal hunger.....and yet you are STILL rapidly regaining weight. WTF!! Thats because what should be your maintenance calories at the new weight is actually a large surplus relative to your crashed metabolism. With IF you don't have this problem. Its easy and sustainable because you don't miss the skipped meals once the Ghrelin surges are deprogrammed. you don't feel deprived, and you still get to eat the delicious meals and portions for the other meals that you always did.....and the huge calorie deficit from skipping breakfast, lunch and midnight snack has no risk of crashing your metabolism because being fasted 16-18 hours a day means there are more than enough insulin free hours for your body to fully make up for the dietary calorie deficit so there is no need for the body to slow the metabolism. In fact, studies show that your metabolism actually increases with fasting due to the body secreting adrenaline, cortisol and Human Growth Hormone to protect muscle mass and give you more get up and go and energy to get out and hunt that wooly mammoth again after the failed hunt caused you to 'involuntary fast'.
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Getting fat is fun, being fat sucks. Being fit is fun, getting fit sucks.
if it was years to become a fat ass it would take an equal amount of time to become. even if you managed to get fit in a quicker the amount of time, to undo the damage to your arteries could take much longer so keep moving.
Ohh it fucking sucks, last winter I gained 11-12 kgs from November to January. Have lost 12+ but the fucking effort it took and still taking.
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What the counts show
Across 60 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Attach it to an existing routine” (5 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings.
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Muscle memory, and the ones who found it easyThe counter-current: commenters who say the second climb was much shorter than the first.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: Muscle memory, and the ones who found it easy
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Muscle memory, and the ones who found it easy
Appears when: Testing the claim that the second climb is shorter
What the pattern means: The counter-current, and it is stronger than the article's dominant answer would suggest. Commenters report strength returning far faster than it was first built — one naming the bench weight he walked back into after six years away, another regaining in a year what had taken three — and several report retaining more than they expected through long layoffs. The qualification the card supplies itself is the important part: the replies narrow the claim to muscle rather than fat, and to bodies not carrying an injury, medication or a couple of extra decades.
What commenters described: This may be controversial but I am amazed at how easy it is to get fit again once you’ve been fit. Muscles do remember how to get back to where they were.
Limit: Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
A buddy of mine won the state time trial championship then got a job and basically stopped riding. I kept riding the whole time and steadily got fatter/slower He comes back at it super easy, a couple rides a week. Eventually I'm training ten hours a week to his three. He's back to SMOKING me, no problem, not as fit but like 20% of the time as he used to Inspirational and depressing all at once. Bodies are crazy
He probably has better genetics too, some people are just like that.
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Same here with a back injury for 2 years. Tell myself it just means we get to experience the faster gains when you first start lifting all over again
How fast it was to get back into shape. Muscle memory is a real thing. As soon as you start working out again your body is like “oh yea this again, I know the drill”
When I was like 22-23 and I started benching I was struggling to put up 95. After being in the gym for a few years and getting bench press up to almost 300, I got fat and lazy for like 6 years, when I finally got back in the gym I was able to bench 225 right away without any struggle at all and start from there. Once you build a solid strength base, your body will keep a huge portion of that strength for life even after long periods of sedentary living.
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What the counts show
Across 31 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (2 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
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Browse the original comments31 preserved records · 31 of 31 source records accounted for
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What staying that lean had been costingRecords reframing the fit years as expensive rather than as free.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: What staying that lean had been costing
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What staying that lean had been costing
Appears when: Reconsidering the fit years as expensive rather than as free
What the pattern means: A reframing that appears often enough to stand on its own. These commenters do not dispute that they were fitter; they dispute that it was cheap. What they describe paying is constant deprivation, irritability, meals as arithmetic, time, money and — in several accounts — a preoccupation with their own bodies that they recognise, in retrospect, as unhealthy in a different way. The card includes the thread's most direct exchange about whether exercise is enjoyable at all, which turns out to divide people completely.
What commenters described: I don’t know if I was unhealthy, but I played college baseball and grew up in an athletic family. Always training, eating, recovering, thinking about eating, etc.. I’m 35 now and sort of asked myself a few years ago “why do I still do this?” I looked pretty damn good but lived in a constant state of control and deprivation. It sucked. My life is much more balanced now and I’m a lot happier, even if I’m squishier.
Limit: Commenters describing their own relationship with dieting and training, several of them naming disordered patterns. Their conclusions are about themselves, not a recommendation to anyone else about how much to eat or train. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I don’t know if I was unhealthy, but I played college baseball and grew up in an athletic family. Always training, eating, recovering, thinking about eating, etc.. I’m 35 now and sort of asked myself a few years ago “why do I still do this?” I looked pretty damn good but lived in a constant state of control and deprivation. It sucked. My life is much more balanced now and I’m a lot happier, even if I’m squishier.
Me in the chocolate aisle sending careless whispers
Where commenters report limits
Most foods that I enjoy eating are high calorie (and not very healthful). You definitely can eat high volume, healthy foods, but if you're not restricting then you can also eat high volume, unhealthy foods. What joy! I love eating. Unfortunately, I also want to be alive for a long time so I need to prioritize health over the joys of unrestricted eating lol
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Agreed. Even just being able to house a bunch of cookies whenever because I love sweets. Now I just walk through the bakery section to pay my respects, but not to buy anything.
I love running, but there nothing other than pain past a certain threshold.
Yes, but that is an orgasmically pleasurable physical sensation for me (and most lifters) and im not even exaggerating. Dieting can suck, i agree with you there. But if you hate eating the “correct ballpark amount of calories”, then you need to fix your relationship with food anyway. There is no financial commitment.
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What the counts show
Across 34 source records, the most common observable tactic structure is “Use movement as the switch” (7 records). This is a wording pattern, not a measured outcome.
What commenters explicitly report
These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings.
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Counts show source records whose wording matches the tactic structure; biological explanations remain commenter claims unless separately checked below.
Browse the original comments34 preserved records · 34 of 34 source records accounted for
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GLP-1 medications, as commenters described themWhat individual commenters report about drugs in this class, including a cost, a caveat and a reversal. Nothing here is verified, and none of it is a recommendation.
A change commenters reported after a fit body stopped being fit, with what they said it was like and what the thread disputed about it: GLP-1 medications, as commenters described them
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GLP-1 medications, as commenters described them
Appears when: What commenters report about a drug class the thread keeps naming
What the pattern means: These drugs surface repeatedly and always as first-person report. Commenters describe the relief of not being hungry after years of being hungry, a specific caution about how the class interacts with insulin, another about slowed stomach emptying affecting other medication, the cost and the fact that stopping tends to undo it, and one account of losing a great deal very fast that its own author calls risky. The card exists because the thread would otherwise be quoting a prescription-only medicine without its caveats attached.
What commenters described: I went from being an athletic rugby player to a complete fatty during covid. I ended up getting diagnosed with diabetes at my max weight of 277 lbs. I then dropped down to 181 lbs with a 7 day workout schedule, while also starting Metformin and and Ozempic over the span of 10 months. I have since built back up to 205-210 with some solid strength gains. My a1c went from 8.1 to 4.8. Your perception of your body will adjust. You won't necessarily look in the mirror and realize just how fat you got. Anyways Ozempic and other GLP-1S are miracle drugs if used right. Like absolutely incredible what they can do in conjunction with diet change and exercise. But also don't do what I did, massive weight loss in such a short time is incredibly risky.
Limit: Individual patients describing their own prescriptions, side effects and results. Nothing here is verified, none of it is a recommendation, and these are prescription medicines whose suitability is a matter for a doctor. Every account in this card is one person writing about their own body. Nothing is verified, nothing here is medical information, and none of it describes what anyone else should expect.
What the replies added2
I am on Zepbound and I just had to take a round of prednisone and they are in active war in my tummy and the prednisone is winning.
I took 3 doses of prednisone before stopping from the side effects months ago and I’m still hungry. That shit is no joke!
Where commenters report limits
Be aware that Ozempic while also on insulin does not work the same. The insulin wants to hang onto that fat and never let go, so the quick easy weight loss is now like pulling teeth. You cheer for one pound, and that make take a week or two if you really try hard. Or you can easily gain even while on Ozempic if you’re also on insulin.
>tried zepbound but it gave me terrible migraines. I just got wegovy prescribed and I’m really hoping it’ll help. probably not. if your medications are orally-ingested, then you were probably experiencing migraine because your anti-migraine medication was stuck in your stomach not metabolizing/absorbing quickly enough to give you relief. one of the key functions of GLP agonists like wegovy and zepbound are slowed gastric emptying. unfortunately, it does fuck with the speed/efficacy of some medications, because they need to leave your gut to be absorbed into the bloodstream.
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Ozempic might help with the appetite suppression. It's a little bit ironic and full circle but that's pretty much it.
I always found it hilarious that people kept saying "if they found the cure for obesity they would never sell it because they make more money treating fat people". And then they found a cure for obesity and it became a billion dollar industry. It's almost like companies like making money, and obesity is a problem that never goes away. People want to be able to eat in a way that makes them become obese without actually *being* obese. Gaining weight then losing it with GLP-1 agonists is going to be the new normal, I guarantee it, and that drives consumption coming and going.
If you can afford it i really like mounjaro, just be aware its for life, but you need nothing but money and injections to keep slim
What the counts show
Within 14 source records, 1 explicitly report a benefit and 2 explicitly report a limit or failure. These are attributed experiences, not effectiveness data.
What commenters explicitly report
These buckets are a deterministic partition based on explicit phrasing in the source text; they are not sentiment scores or effectiveness findings.
Browse the original comments14 preserved records · 14 of 14 source records accounted for
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How this catalog was built
Source: Reddit comments — 1 thread, 1866 comments (692 top-level, 1174 replies)
Selected comments from the discussion
This export carries real like counts and timestamps. The first 18 are the most resonant on-topic top-level comment from each stage of the discussion, ranked by resonance within their arrival-time cohort so later arrivals are not penalised for having had less time to accumulate likes. The last 6 received no likes at all and were chosen for the specificity of what they describe.
How the discussion breaks down
Relative volume of distinct source-backed records across every reviewed category in this corpus.
How fast it happened, and what set it off
247 distinct coded comment records5 normalized answers
The body's running costs
235 distinct coded comment records6 normalized answers
Food, appetite and the arithmetic
181 distinct coded comment records4 normalized answers
The things nobody warned them about
178 distinct coded comment records7 normalized answers
How other people started treating them
143 distinct coded comment records5 normalized answers
The road back
139 distinct coded comment records4 normalized answers
What it did to their heads
89 distinct coded comment records3 normalized answers
Sex, and the body below the belt
46 distinct coded comment records2 normalized answers
What the thread kept coming back to
The question this thread asked was what surprised people, and the answer it kept returning to was not a number. It was other people. 82 records describe a change in how strangers, colleagues and family behaved, and almost all of them describe it in very small units. One commenter gave the whole finding in a sentence: “The change in attitude when people talk to you.” Asked for an example, another commenter had to reach for the size of it: “It’s pretty small stuff IMO. You can notice it just walking down the street or something. People smiling at you less, looking at you less, ignoring you outright, being slightly colder to you. I think the biggest thing is that when you’re good looking, everyone seems to want to either be your friend or go out of their way to be pleasant to you. When you’re not so good looking, you get treated more like a stranger. Not bad necessarily, but definitely a noticeable difference from everyone being warm and bubbly.”
What that looked like from inside. The longest answers in this part of the corpus are the ones that had been on both sides of it. One commenter listed what changed at work as well as in the street: “For me, it's been very eye opening. I went from really fat to really fit over about two years so I've been at both ends of the spectrum. It's almost like there's two different worlds. It's minor things like women smile at me more often, retail workers are friendlier, and strangers are generally more open to conversation. More significantly, my colleagues and clients are more receptive to my ideas and forgiving of my mistakes, negotiations are easier, people (mainly women) laugh at my jokes, and family and friends invite me to things they didn't before. It's honestly been a bit shocking to experience and has really changed my perspective on the importance of appearance. I think humans are much more superficial than we realise.” Another recorded the moment differently — as an absence rather than an insult: “For me it was how people treated me. I’ve always been overweight and if I approached a group of people who liked me, I would describe the reaction as “oh, he is here. Ok.” Nothing insulting, not that they were not happy I was there. Just… average? When I was fit the reaction was closer to “Hey!! How are you doing?” I hope that makes sense. No one was flirting with me, but they genuinely seemed happier that I was there.”
And the thread argued with itself about why. The most substantial disagreement in the corpus is over whether the treatment tracks the body or the person carrying it. A commenter who had lost a large amount of weight put the case that it was neither the weight nor the world: “I dropped 125 lbs and I struggled with this for ages, it took me years to figure it out but people weren't treating me different because I was fit. They were treating me differently because I was different. I became fun, smiley and chatty. People feed of your energy, if you greet a stranger with a smile and happiness, people tend to mimic your energy When I was obese, I was quiet, self loathing and not confident at all. That year of dating post weight loss were very remarkable compared to the 5+ years of gluttony prior” The reply is the corpus's clearest counter-example: “I appreciate you sharing and I believe your experience is real but that's not my experience at all. I have always been a friendly outgoing person and I can say for sure that people's opinions and reactions towards me are different now.” 12 further records say they noticed no change at all, and one of the most detailed of them is a commenter who had lost a great deal of weight and expected the difference: “May I go the other direction? Because I was a fat kid growing up. Topped out at 335 lbs (6' 2") at 25. Lost 155 pounds in a couple of years total starting at 25 years old (the beginning phase, man you can lose weight quickly) through diet and exercise. And you know honestly? Nothing really changed. I mean I did it so I wouldn't get like diabetes at 30 or something, and I'm undeniably healthier than I would have been if I kept the weight on (I'm now in my early 50s - I've been between 175-185 lbs for 25+ years now). Women didn't start looking at me differently. They still ignore me. I was married at 22, and got divorced about 10 years ago. I tried online dating, etc. Women didn't treat me any differently. I'm in a great relationship now, but I'm just saying, it's not like women ignored me before and now they are interested. For the most part, they still just ignore me. I don't "feel better," because I honestly didn't feel badly when I was fat. Clothes are easier to shop for - being fat sucks for clothes shopping. But my own personal experience is that there was not some magical change for me from being massively overweight to being an appropriate weight for my height. I more or less felt the same. The loose skin absolutely sucks though.”
The physical answers are unusually concrete. Where the thread reports the body, it does not reach for adjectives. 37 records name a task rather than a symptom — the most common being footwear: “I knew i was fucked when i had to hold my breath to tie my shoes lmao” A second commenter named the same task as the moment something changed: “Struggling to put socks on was the thing that made me change my diet” And one of the most-liked answers in the thread was about a sensation rather than a limitation: “My belly jiggles when I move now. For 40 years nothing ever jiggled, now I feel like a jello cup.”
On speed, the thread is close to unanimous, and on blame it is not. 105 records say it happened faster than they expected, while 18 records argue about whether that is a failure of will. That exchange begins with one commenter's account of medication and appetite: “I’m embarrassed to even admit this, but I’ve been put on two medications which give me an insatiable appetite. I’ve put on 30 lbs in 5 months. I’m just finding it impossible to diet right now.” and the objection to it, and the replies underneath, are left here in the commenters' own words rather than summarised: “You have no idea how trivially easy it is to manipulate the human experience with drugs.” and “It’s just that we know enough about obesity now to know that it is not a question of willpower. This isn’t me getting mad and arguing. It’s just factual. I have a successful career that I could not possibly have achieved without having my shit together and being able to achieve my goals. I’m just also fat. I’ve already accepted that I won’t find love while in this body; I don’t need someone to tell me that I’m not entitled to romance and relationships—I know it and I’m not asking for that. I only want to be treated with the same dignity and warmth as others are.”
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How this was counted
The working unit is a comment record, not a person and not a distinct experience. All 1866 canonical comments from this one thread (692 top-level, 1174 replies) were read thread by thread and each was assigned to exactly one card or one exclusion bucket.
1258 records describe something that changed for the commenter, or argue about such a change, and all 1258 appear in the complete index below. The other 608 break down as jokes, puns and riffs (169), arguments that report nothing of the arguer's own (108), bare agreement, thanks and encouragement (96), off-topic tangents (50), questions put to another commenter (49), advice offered to another commenter (47), the long sub-thread about eating and walking on holiday (41), commenters who report being unable to gain weight (17), fragments and unreadable text (10), commenters saying the question does not apply to them (9), comments about the thread itself (5), one answer the thread identified as machine-written, plus the four replies identifying it (5), and two engagement mechanics (2).
1258 counts classified comment records, not distinct experiences; the thread named 36. Repeats were deliberately kept: the largest card, “Months, not years”, holds 105 records, and each stays its own row rather than being merged into one.
The original post's title was removed by a moderator before this capture, so the thread is described here by what its comments answer rather than by its headline. Where a commenter states their own sex, age, weight or diagnosis, that is their own statement and is reproduced as written.
Upvote counts are the raw numbers as captured. The first hour of this thread holds 69.9% of all its upvotes, so a ranking by raw upvotes would mostly rank arrival time; the cards below are ordered by how many records they hold, not by popularity.
Nothing here is verified beyond what people typed. These are personal reports about weight, appetite, medication, pain, sleep and how other people behaved, several of them contested inside the thread by the people replying to them. Read it as a record of what one group of people said about their own bodies — not as health information, not as a claim about how bodies work in general, and not as advice about how anyone should eat, train or look.
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